1 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: going to talk about reality star Bethany Frankel and her 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: recent diagnosis of chronic kidney disease. A woman who was 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: just pardoned from prison after being convicted of setting both 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: of her babies on fire and killing them. A landlord 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: who has been accused of molesting his tenants and reports 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: are he was using chloroform, a new study that proves 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: that women are more attractive to men with this one 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: huge feature. And a mother looking for her missing daughter 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: only to find that her phone pinged at the coroner's office. 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: All that and more on today's episode, Let's get started 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: with Bethany Frankel. 15 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: So, Bethany Frankel made an announcement that she was diagnosed 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: with stage two chronic kidney disease, and she is like 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: Snookie encouraging her followers to go to the doctor and 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: get blood work. 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: She's kind of annoying. 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: She's so annoying, And something that was interesting to me 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 3: in this was she said she was referred to a 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: specialist after her blood tests had red flags in regards 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: to kidney function, and they told her it could be 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: due to an autoimmune issue or a trauma response to 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: a severe allergy attack. 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 2: So she is very alerted to fish. And back in. 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen, I believe it was she had a really 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: severe reaction when she ate a soup that had fish 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: in it and she didn't know about it, like to 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: the point where she had to go to the ICU. 31 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: It was really bad allergic reaction to this soup. So 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, she was being absolutely unhinged 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: and outrageous on TikTok, like posting all this crazy shit, 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: and one day she posts this video of her literally 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: scarfing down all this shellfish like crabs like this. She 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: ordered a seafood boil via door Dash and was just 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: eating it, and everybody thought she was allergic to shellfish too, 38 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: and thought she was like doing something that was gonna 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: kill her. 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: In this video. 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: It's not only disgusting to watch somebody eat like the 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: way she's eating in this video, I'm gonna get into grocery. 43 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: Actually this video vividly, it's like tattooed in my brain. 44 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: But because of what happened with the fish before, everybody 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 3: assumed that shellfish was wrapped up in that too, so 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 3: they're like, are we literally watching this woman try to 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: kill herself eating this right now? 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: But I don't think she's allerged to shellfish, just fish. 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: I just think that I don't really believe anything that 50 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: celebrities say anyway, but it just doesn't really I understand 51 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: that she's got an allergy to fish, but like, I 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: don't understand what that would have to do with chronic 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: kidney disease at all and an autoimmune disease. The only 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: autoimmune disease that I could think of that she specifically 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: is referring to is like lupis, and she's fifty five 56 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: years old, and if she doesn't, she likely doesn't have lupus, 57 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: like she would know she had lupus, right, So this 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: is my personal opinion just based on what I know 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: about chronic kidney disease. So, yeah, she had she probably 60 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: had blood worked on a EGFR test, which is an 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: estimated glomarilar filtration rate blood test, which just shows like 62 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: how your kidney's functioning basically, so's they're saying she's staged two, 63 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: So it's not like she's going to need to get 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: a kidney transplant anytime soon. But she is in kind 65 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: of a danger zone where if it continues to get 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: worse from whatever's making it worse, it could get to 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: that point that she needs to do dialysis and stuff, 68 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: but not now. There's no way to really reverse this. 69 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: So it's going to be damaged to this extent for 70 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: the rest of her life. But if they could figure 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: out what's causing it, you could stop it in its 72 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: tracks and it won't get any worse. She'll, she'll, she'll, 73 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, lots of people have this. The most common 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: reason that this happens is because of diabetes and because 75 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: of high blood pressure. So I'm not exactly sure that 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: her what she's saying caused it. Like I kind of am, like, hmm. 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: If she did have the most common reasons that this 78 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: causes kidney disease, wouldn't it be kind of bad for 79 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: her health and wellness brand if she had either diabetes 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: or high blood pressure. I'm just curious, And I also 81 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: think it's weird in the article that she said that 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: she had to stop eating ice cream. I didn't really 83 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: understand that, like why she had to stop eating ice cream. 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: I don't look at. 85 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: Her as a particularly healthy person though, I mean her 86 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: her her brand was Skinny Girl, but and so I 87 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: think people fall associate that with being some type of 88 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: wellness thing. But it seemed like this is, just my opinion, 89 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: like some brand to encourage inn eating disorder. I mean, 90 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 3: she is unhealthily skinny and then she promotes extremely unhealthy 91 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: eating habits online from what I've seen, and I've never 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: in all the years I watched her on Housewives and everything, 93 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: I've never been like, Wow, that lady looks really healthy. 94 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: I mean, she used to be a chef back in 95 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: the day. 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know that. 97 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: She was on The Apprentice Martha Stewart's season that she 98 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: hosted and she almost won and she did it, and 99 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: then she ended up on Housewives after that. But she 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 3: used to cook quote unquote healthy foods and then she 101 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: launched a skinny Girl brand. But like, I don't ever 102 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: feel like I've seen her as a particularly healthy person. 103 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: But that's like, I mean, that's her her thing, right, 104 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean what was her like, what is her thing? 105 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: Like? 106 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: I understand she made that, but like now she doesn't 107 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: really have a thing. She just goes on and talks 108 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,239 Speaker 1: about random stuff. 109 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: My understanding is that she started off trying to have like, uh, 110 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: like to what you're saying, a health and wellness bakery 111 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: type of deal where she would make bake goods and 112 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: try to sell them at Whole Foods for example, and 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: that then that eventually spinned into the Skinny Girl brand, 114 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: which was an emphasis on being skinny, like having low 115 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 3: calorie drinks and everything. 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: But I believe I just heard the other day that her. 117 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: Products had been removed from stores like Whole Foods because 118 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 3: they had chemicals, and then that they didn't they weren't 119 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 3: approved on things they sold there. 120 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: So I think, like the Skinny Girl stuff, Yeah, so 121 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: I can't believe that it's just a bunch of of 122 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: just sugar free all those chemicals and stuff. 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 124 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: So, I think in origin she was trying to do 125 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: health and wellness, but then it just converted into this 126 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: complete system of basically having an eating disorder, like you 127 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: would just have these low calorie things that were chock 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 3: full of chemicals. This is just my speculation in my opinion, 129 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think that's you. I'm thinking her, 130 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: But like, did these products give her this problem? Well, 131 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: I don't know, about the products and the chemicals themselves. 132 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: But you definitely could get this problem from certain medications 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: as well. I just think like the most common reasons 134 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: that people get it medications, high blood pressure, diabetes, things 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: like that would not look good for her. So the 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: ones that she's picking as like, yes you can get 137 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: chronic kidney disease from having lupus, and yes you could 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 3: get it, well, I would feel like getting an allergic 139 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: reaction like that would cause more of an acute kidney 140 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: problem rather than long term. I'm not sure that that 141 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: is even a thing, but regardless, like you know, I'm 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: just curious if anyone else is going to question that. 143 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: I don't particularly think the high blood pressure component would 144 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: affect her brain because I mean, think about it, She's 145 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: on reality TV. She went through an absolutely horrific years 146 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: long divorce that was very public. 147 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, but people that are like exercise food like 148 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: healthy eaters think that, like, you could get hypertension if 149 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: if you it could be there's a genetic component to it. 150 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: Just you could be the healthiest person in the world 151 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: and still have hypertension. But it's looked at as not 152 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, she wants to act like just because of 153 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: certain things. She said, like she doesn't get surgery. She's 154 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: never she's never had plastic surgery. She's never had this. 155 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: She like she puts she puts off the image that 156 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: she puts off the same image of Like like recently 157 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart again was interviewed and said she didn't have 158 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: plastic surgery. Like they're they're just telling us not to 159 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: believe like what we're looking at that they live these 160 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: healthy lives and that's why they just look so perfect. 161 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: So like, and I love Martha Stewart, she and I 162 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: think she looks amazing, but like she doesn't. She does 163 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: not she does not look like that. She's like eighty 164 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: or maybe even older than any older than that. Like 165 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: it's just okay. But anyway, it's the same with with her, 166 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: Like I feel like that wouldn't look good for her 167 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: brand because she's pretty young. She's fifty five, So to 168 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: be like, oh, my kidneys are damage from blood pressure 169 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: is doesn't look good for a person that like you 170 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: want to buy her stuff because it's healthy, right. 171 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: But she also doesn't have to reveal she has kidney 172 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: disease like it's hurt. 173 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: She does she needs the attention is like. 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: Oh, three weeks ago when you revealed you had a 175 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: back to youial infection from your like probably fifty thousand 176 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: dollars vacation in Saint Bart's. 177 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: Like that wasn't enough. Now you have to have kidney. 178 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was she had some like weird bacterial infection 179 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: on her face or something. Listen, I didn't even care 180 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: to look into it. Like that's why we didn't even 181 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: cover her, because I was like, this is boring when 182 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: I always has something. 183 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: When I was a. 184 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 3: Teenager watching Real Housewives of New York, I loved her. 185 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: I thought she was great. As I am an adult, 186 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 3: and she pops up in my feed so constantly. I 187 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: find her to be an incredibly obnoxious person. So most 188 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: so often when her name pops up, I don't even 189 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 3: want to read it because it just annoys me. And 190 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: her online presence in particular in the last five years, 191 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: has been incredibly obnoxious. 192 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to a more a serious situation. 193 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: So this the next two stories actually are out of 194 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: New Jersey. 195 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: So Phil Murphy just finished his term as governor of 196 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: New Jersey, and on the way out, he decided to 197 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: commute the hundred year sentence of a woman who set 198 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: her toddlers on fire. So I think, and it's it's 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: interesting because on our local radio station this morning they 200 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 3: were talking about this too, because obviously a lot of 201 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: people that live in New Jersey were actually, you know, 202 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: did their duty of jury duty. 203 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: For this case. And it's and the question is, just 204 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: like if they're just going to pardon all these people 205 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: and just totally like overlook the whole entire system, is 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: that going to make people less inclined to want to 207 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: serve on a jury because it's a doesn't really matter 208 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: because someone whether it's the governor or the president, could 209 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: just come in and we're actually going to talk about 210 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: that on tomorrow's episode. And we'd talked about in the 211 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: Grosser Room this week with the Farahnose and Elizabeth Holmes 212 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: and wanting a pardon as well. So just people could 213 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: just come in and just get rid of the sentences 214 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: for people whenever they feel like it. And so I 215 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: looked into this case to just say, maybe it's not 216 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: exactly what the headline is, Like, maybe there's more to 217 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: the story than oh, she just deserves another chance, and like, 218 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: let's look into some of the details of it. So 219 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: apparently she was. She was she had a fiance and 220 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: they had gotten in a fight. She gets in her 221 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: car at some point, she stops at the gas station 222 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: and puts gas into a gasoline container within her car, 223 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: like not in the trunk of her car, but like 224 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: in the cab of the car, drives over to the 225 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: fiance's mother's house. 226 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: Because that's where he was, because that's where he was. 227 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: Saying, and whatever happened, according to what she was convicted of, 228 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: she set the car on fire with the gasoline inside. 229 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: One of the children burned to death in their car seat, 230 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: and the other one was like pressed up against the 231 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: window and died and burned to death, and the father 232 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: and the grandparents like watched it happen. 233 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: And these kids are twenty eight months and eighteen months old. 234 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: So so she gets convicted, and I guess there is 235 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: a question because they're now bringing up that they wanted 236 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: to see if she would be eligible for parole or 237 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: something earlier, because they're saying that the fire scientists who 238 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: testified at the trial did testify on specifically how this 239 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: fire started, and that technology is now considered to be 240 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: like science in a way. So so then okay, because 241 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: basically they were saying this, you know, this is the 242 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: difference between if it was an accident or if it 243 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: was intentional. So if it was intentional, she put this 244 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: gasoline in the car, she got out of the car 245 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: and like threw a cigarette or a match at it, 246 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: and the flashover like caught on her face and her 247 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: arm and got her. But she got out of the 248 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: car and her kids burned to death. But that's what 249 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: she wanted to do, is like revenge, to get back 250 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 1: at her ex or her fiance that she was in 251 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: a fight with. On the defense side, they say that 252 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: it was an accident and then she was in the car, 253 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: she lit the cigarette and the fumes from the gasoline 254 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: caught on fire and would cause the fire. And they 255 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: say that there was a witness there that said they 256 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: heard the explosion, went outside and saw someone actually her 257 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: out of the car, which would more corroborate. I guess 258 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: with her story that she was that this was an 259 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: accident and she was in there and that's how she 260 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: got burned. So the person that testified during the court 261 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: that was the fire scientist, said that they were able 262 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: to determine that the fire happened in a certain area 263 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: of the car which would not go along with what 264 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: her story was. 265 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I have two things that come to 266 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: my mind. First, like A what if she was trying 267 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: to kill herself as well if somebody did pull her 268 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: Let's say somebody did pull her out, Like what if 269 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: she was also trying to kill herself to prove the 270 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: point right and just happening to get pulled out of 271 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: the car? B Why are you just having a rogue 272 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: can of gasoline in your car? 273 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: So that was my question because because although completely stupid 274 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: and irresponsible, there is a world in which that could 275 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: be accidental in theory, like if you're just a complete 276 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: moron and would and would do something like that. Gabes 277 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: actually told me about that several times. There was this 278 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: one video that was going viral for a while a 279 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: couple of years back that had this woman that was 280 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: like dousing gasoline all over her boyfriend's car and setting 281 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: it on fire and then she ended up getting burned. 282 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: And he was just like the vapors, Like, you have 283 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: to be so far away from it because the vapors 284 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: just blood, they just ignite when you're standing right near it. 285 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: Right. 286 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: So, and I'm pretty sure that like this was in 287 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: the nineties, Like everybody knows. This is why they say 288 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: don't smoke at a gas station and all this stuff 289 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: like this, this is a thing, right, and especially when 290 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: you're in a confined space and those vapors are just 291 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: building up. So if they were able to say, like 292 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: she was on our way, like it was in the summer, 293 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: and she stopped at the gas station on the way 294 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: to get gas for the lawnmower, like, there's none of that. 295 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: And that's what's making me think that this is total 296 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: bullshit because there's nothing that says they want to say 297 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: it was an accident, but nobody's saying why a woman 298 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: who is of her age with two little kids is 299 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: going and getting gasoline in a container in her car 300 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: and not putting it in the trunk, Like why was 301 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: she doing that? Because who on earth does that? It 302 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: smells so strong to begin with, just having the fumes 303 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: in the car like that would just be irresponsible for 304 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: having children in the car. But like people need gas 305 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. I mean, there was times when I 306 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: was a little kid, for sure, I used to go 307 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: to the gas station with Popop and get gas for 308 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: the lawnmower, Like you do, you get it sometimes, right, yeah, 309 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: so so like there would be a reason, but they 310 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: never even gave a reason. And it's just so happens 311 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: that she was in a fight with the guy, and 312 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: then so happens that she drove where he was, and 313 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: like why was she why did she have to stop 314 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: to get guessed to drive over her mother in law's house. 315 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: Like the whole thing of it just it just reeks 316 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: of of she probably was found guilty because she was guilty. 317 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't see. And and the statement, I guess this 318 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: is the statement that I don't like. It said something 319 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: that you know, she has served her time, and we 320 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: could do this for community members that that are you know, 321 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: that want to change their life around, and she's proven that. 322 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: And I don't know, Like I just don't. I don't really. 323 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure she's been in jail and and she's you know, 324 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: a nice person now and all this stuff, but I 325 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: don't know that that the information that we know so 326 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: far means that she was convicted wrongly. 327 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. 328 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: In a different case that comes to mind is Lindsay Clancy, 329 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: who set to go and trial this summer. Right, Like 330 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 3: she we've talked about her on this show before. We've 331 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: been talking about her the last couple of weeks on 332 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: YouTube live if you join us on there. She is 333 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 3: the mother that killed her three kids with exercise bands 334 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: and then tried to kill herself by jumping out the window. 335 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 3: And now there's this argument like did she meticulously plan 336 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: this murder or was she going through some form of 337 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: postpartum anxiety, depression, psychosis whatever that led to this? So 338 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: when I see this lady has two children that are 339 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: ten months apart, so it's like she gave birth to 340 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: one and then immediately got pregnant with the other one, right, 341 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 3: and they're so little, Like was she going through something 342 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 3: like that? And really postpartum anything was not talked about 343 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: it really until the last couple of years, and it's 344 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: still considered a taboo topic. So like, is that a possibility? 345 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: Like the way I'm seeing it now is that she's 346 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: a convicted killer that set her two children on fire, 347 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 3: and I don't think she deserves to get out well. 348 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: And that's you know, and I am very sympathetic to 349 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: the whole postpartum argument. And Lindsey Clancy's case is a 350 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: little bit different in that she was given so many 351 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: prescription medications on top of what she was going through 352 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: that many would argue was completely irresponsible on the part 353 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: of the prescribing physician. So that that's where it differs 354 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: a little bit. And we haven't heard any of that 355 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: with this case. And listen, like it's totally a possibility 356 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: that she was because she, like you said, like it 357 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: was just like a boom boom pregnancy one after another, 358 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: and like the one was under one years. 359 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Old, one was twenty eight months, and one was eighteen months. 360 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: See, like that's too it's too old for postpartum psychosis. 361 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: It's just too old. A year is a year is 362 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: cap and that's like even a stretch like that kid 363 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: was eighteen months old. Like listen, like she could have 364 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: been going through other stuff completely, but she's not in 365 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: that postpartum period anymore so, and that is likely why 366 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: we're not hearing anything with that case. Like I don't 367 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: know the specifics of like the trial itself, and you 368 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: know their relationship and if she's ever threatened to do 369 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: anything like that before or anything. I mean, I just 370 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: I feel like, listen, this happened when you were you 371 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: were born, Like the year you were born, right, yeah, 372 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: you're thirty, so like the players in this are are 373 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: likely still alive, definitely, like her ex her ex fiance 374 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: who watched his two children burn to death in a car. 375 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: His parents may very well still be alive too, Like 376 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: they're victims and prosecutors that worked hard on this case 377 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: and everything else, all of the law enforcement, not just 378 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: the law enforcement, but like the first responders, like firefighters, EMTs, 379 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: everybody that had that said that this was the most 380 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: horrific scene that they ever went to. I mean, imagine 381 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: imagine the scene going and putting this fire out right 382 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: and knowing that they were strapped in the fricking car 383 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: seat like stuff like that, and then think about all 384 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: the trauma that everyone associated with the story went through. 385 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: And now it's like thirty years later, all getting brought 386 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: up again. And I didn't really hear in Governor Murphy's 387 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: declaration that it was because she was really innocent and 388 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: found guilty. Yeah, I'm just saying, if that could be 389 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: the case, it's not justifying their actions, it's understanding why 390 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: these things happened. Because I can't put myself in the 391 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: brain of somebody that sets their children on fire intentionally. 392 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: I just really I just can't even imagine. 393 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 3: You're a truly terrible, terrible person to be. 394 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: Doing something like that. 395 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: But I don't know what's going on with this dude. 396 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: I mean, let's even put her case aside. They said 397 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: eight weeks before this, he commuted the sentence of eleven 398 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: of ers, and then his last few hours in office 399 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: revealed that he granted clemency to one hundred and forty 400 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: eight other people and she was included in that batch. 401 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: Well, they I mean, the thing is is that they 402 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: all do it, and it all like I mean, like 403 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't know I personally I think that, like because 404 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this more tomorrow with Threnos too. 405 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: It's just like I feel like there's probably certain crimes 406 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: for sure, especially when like the drug thing for example, 407 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: Like people used to be going to jail for like 408 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: selling weed and now weed's legal. Like that absolutely those 409 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: sentences need to be handled because that's ridiculous if people 410 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: are in trouble for that kind of stuff still or 411 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: like get that off of their record and everything like that. 412 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: But like, but like what about people that are selling 413 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: other kinds of drugs or something that are killing people? 414 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: Like anytime you have that you're either hurting someone like 415 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: like a child, like sexually, any kind of sexual assaut 416 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: or anything like that, any kind of murder, Like I 417 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: don't even think those things should should be on the table. 418 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: But then I mean, I guess we could say the 419 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: same thing about Menendez and stuff, because they were trying 420 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: to get out of it too, And then I feel 421 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: like everything's like a case by case basis. But with 422 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: Menendez at least you sit there and say, well. 423 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: They didn't include very important evidence in their trials. 424 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: Well there and they and they have they they have. 425 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: They don't say they've been doing good in jail and 426 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: they deserve a second chance. They say it's a possibility 427 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: that they were molested as children. They have like an excuse, 428 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: whereas with this woman, I just couldn't find the excuse 429 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: I really wanted to say. I really wanted them to say, like, oh, 430 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: defense said there was a reason the gas was in 431 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: her car. Then maybe I could say, Okay, you need 432 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: to look at the science again and this and that, 433 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: like I could I could kind of say it. I 434 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: just I'm just kind of like, dude, world, what world 435 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: are you living in? That this that this happened, and 436 00:23:58,480 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: it was an accident. I don't understand. 437 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, most recently, what comes to mind is 438 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 3: like the Chrislies were pardon for example, right, but they 439 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 3: were in jail for bank fraud, and like they should 440 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 3: go to jail if they were intentionally defrauding banks. But 441 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,959 Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm not looking at them as 442 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 3: they're like gonna be dangerous to walk around in society 443 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: Like this lady. To me, I understand she's been in 444 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: jail for thirty one years, but like I don't really 445 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: see her as being of getting out of that mentality 446 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 3: like you literally set babies on fire, Like she didn't 447 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: even just kill them, she set them on fire. 448 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: That's a horrific way to die. 449 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, everything is 450 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: just like what you think is normal, and stuff is changing, 451 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: and they're not even trying to say like she was innocent. 452 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: They're just like, yeah, you know what she did it, Like, 453 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: let's just give her another chance. 454 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: If they can come out here and prove like legitimately, 455 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: this was an accident. She was dumb and lit a 456 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: cigarette and this was a pure freak accident. I really 457 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: don't retract what I'm saying. I don't think that they care. No, 458 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: they just which is like actually more alarming. But this 459 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: makes me think, like this case is causing so much 460 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: outrage in New Jersey in particular obviously, and it's like, 461 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: so is this dude just like not even looking at 462 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 3: the cases and just signing off on them. So, like, 463 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: what about these other over one hundred people that have 464 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: been released. This is just one that's been making headlines, Like, 465 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 3: we don't know about the other people that have been released. 466 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: What did they do? 467 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I just I mean they all murdered. A couple of 468 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: them at least did so I don't know. This is 469 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: just just I feel really safe right now. 470 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: Seriously. 471 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room guys. 472 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: So our high profile dissection this week was on Elizabeth 473 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: Home and Farahos. We're going to talk about that a 474 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: little bit more tomorrow. Our Forensic Friday last week was 475 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: on suicidal stab wounds in particular, we were talking about 476 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: the case of Ellen in that post. And this week's 477 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Forensic Friday I am going to do on the latest 478 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: autopsy findings from the Idaho fur case. 479 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: So check that out head of into the Grossroom dot 480 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: com now to sign up so then also not too 481 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: far from us, this man has been accused of using 482 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: chloroform to knock out two male tenants who were running 483 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: rooms in his home in order to molest them. So, 484 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: so you know, you could get chloroform online, right, Like, 485 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: which is weird? 486 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: There was there was. 487 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: What is it for? 488 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: Like, what is the purpose of it? 489 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: Well, initially it was to anesthecize people back in the 490 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds to get surgery, But. 491 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: What is the purpose of it today? 492 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, so you could get it online for like Fisher 493 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: Scientific or anything like that, Like it's it's used in 494 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: chemical reactions for I don't know if a regular person 495 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: can just go on like Fish or Scientific or Therma 496 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: and just buy it. I don't know, Like I don't 497 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: know if you have to own a lab and prove 498 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: that you need this for some kind of testing, because 499 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's used for other things. Right, But like, 500 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: this is what I want to tell you because this 501 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: is hilarious. Actually, so I type in chloroform. Well, also, 502 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: if you recall the Casey Anthony case that they said 503 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: that there there was some speculation that chloroform might have 504 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: been detected in the trunk of the of the car 505 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: that Kaylee Anthony was found dead in, or her dead 506 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: body was in were alleged in did they ever say 507 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: were they to actually ever prove that her dead body 508 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: was in there even though it smelled like decomposition and 509 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: they said it was a pizza So okay. So anyway, regardless, 510 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, let me see if I could 511 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: just buy loroform. I don't need it for any reason. 512 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: I just was looking. So I type it chloroform and 513 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: then I go on Google and I go under the 514 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: shopping tab and there is on Alibaba dot Com. Okay, 515 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: it's like this box with like a bed and like 516 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: a moon and clouds, and it says it's like a 517 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: nighttime pillow spray, right, but it's it's labeled pillow sparr 518 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: s p a r y. It's spelled wrong, right, And 519 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: then it's titled and it says Wholestyll Chloroform, leaping spray, 520 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: perfume spray natural good what I don't know, And I 521 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: click on it and I'm like, are they like what 522 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: is this right now? Like that's what comes up when 523 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: you search it pillow spray, so chloroform pillow spray from 524 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Ali Baba, totally safe. Yeah, it's just and it's spelled. 525 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: It's just great. Like I'm just like, this is hilarious, 526 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: and it's like the dollars you have to buy a lot. 527 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: You have to buy a lot of like thousands of them. 528 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: Are they selling it? Tried to advertise it as like 529 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: you could use this to sleep. 530 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't if you say that's what I got off 531 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: of it, I don't know. I don't know. 532 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: So they're alleging that these assaults started in twenty twenty, 533 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: but this investigation started in twenty twenty four when one 534 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: of the men said he woke up in bed to 535 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: the landlord's actually assault to him after he had put 536 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: a silicone mask on his face, which made him groggy 537 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: but didn't totally make him pass out, but because he 538 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 3: was scared, he pretended to sleep. 539 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is so weird. And he also one 540 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: thing that I thought that was really interesting that he 541 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: noted was that he said that it smelled like a 542 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: permanent magic marker. And and I personally don't think that 543 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: that was chloroform, because chloroform smells sweet. It's supposed to 544 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: have like a good like people have described it as 545 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: smelling pleasant, and I wouldn't. I mean, I do know 546 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: that some weirdos like the way that that, like a 547 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: sharpie smells, but I wouldn't consider that to be a 548 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: pleasant smell. I feel like it's it's very unusual and 549 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: abrasive to some people. 550 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 2: But you know what does smell like that? 551 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: Xilen. That's what you're smelling is Zilen. That's a chemical 552 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: that we used in the lab to do our slides. 553 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: And if you put Zilen on a rag too and 554 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: put it over someone's face, you could give it would 555 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: be like an equal effect of dizziness making them pass out. 556 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm just curious if that was what the guy 557 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: was smelling instead of chloroform. But regardless, like, like, what 558 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: could you imagine being that guy and like being kind 559 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: of out of it and having a mask over your 560 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: face and smelling a chemical and having a person like 561 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: sexually assaulting you that was your like no, it's and 562 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: having to pretend like you were asleep. 563 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 3: It's just so nuts, isn't it also a myth? Like 564 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 3: I feel like the way it's portrayed in boobies is 565 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: that you could hold a chloroform rag over somebody's mouth 566 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: for like two seconds and they pass out. 567 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: Isn't that a myth? 568 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Woh yeah, it takes a while longer, Yeah, it takes 569 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: a while. 570 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: They just there's this show on Apple called Palm Royal. 571 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: It's like all about the sixties and Palm Beach and everything, 572 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: and they just they just had a scene where they 573 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: were setting up some stage site and the woman like 574 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 3: did it over her husband. She literally held it on 575 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: his mouth for like one second and he passed out 576 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: for like a long time. 577 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: Now it doesn't work like that. 578 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: Well, I feel like that's the way they portray it. 579 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, this guy's now. So they searched his home 580 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 3: and police found a safe containing masks, a camp order, 581 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: hard drives, glass bottles with chloroform, prescription sleep medication, and 582 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 3: SD cards. So he's been indicted on seventy two charges, 583 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 3: but he says he's not guilty. This happened like twenty 584 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: minutes from our house, by the way. Yeah, I'm not 585 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 3: exactly comfortable with this guy walking around, so hopefully he 586 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: won't be pardoned in thirty years. 587 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: But whatever, God knows what's going on over here. 588 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: Okay, this is like my favorite story of the week. 589 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 3: An academic study has been released revealing that women are 590 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 3: actually more attracted to men with larger penises. 591 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: All right, so let me tell you first where this. 592 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: So this was done in a journal called PLOS, which 593 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: is Public Library of Science, and the title of the 594 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: article is Experimental evidence that penis size, height, and body 595 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: shape influence assessment of male sexual attractiveness and fighting abilities 596 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: in humans. So they recruited six hundred male participants and 597 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: two hundred female participants and had them look at computer 598 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: generated male figures of various heights, body shapes, and most 599 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: importantly penis size, and they asked female participants to rate 600 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: them on sexual attractiveness and men were asked to rate 601 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: them to see if they were if they appeared threatening 602 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: to them both physically for a fight and also like 603 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: if they were a competition for a man to get 604 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: a woman, so a sexual competition as well. And in 605 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: this particular study, they were able to say that both 606 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: the men and women picked the men that had the 607 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: larger penis sizes, who had a V shaped body, they 608 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: considered them to be more attractive. And they basically determined 609 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: that if you're well hung, it's a big indicator that 610 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: you have both a greater fighting ability at least the 611 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: perception of other men, and that you are stronger and 612 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: you are more sexually desired than men that have a 613 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: smaller penis. 614 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 615 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: Big thing to note however, though, is they did not 616 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: factor in characteristics like personality and facial features. So if 617 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: you think about that, I think it would skew the 618 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 3: results a little bit. 619 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: Possibly. There's actually I was just thinking about this meme 620 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: that's been going around that shows this like really ugly 621 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: guy and you're looking at his face like he has 622 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: like something wrong with his face, and it says like, oh, 623 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: back in the day, people just weren't didn't care about 624 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: looks or something like that. And then you like look 625 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 1: down and he's wearing like whatever pants he's wearing. You 626 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: could see his penis is like hanging to his knees 627 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: like it's like a huge like bulge. So it's just like, 628 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: it's just funny that you just said that. Yeah, I mean, 629 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: it's it is interesting though, and and one of one 630 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: of the cool things that this article is from like 631 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: an evolutionary standpoint, is just saying that they're trying to 632 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: study why human penises are so much bigger in relation 633 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: to their size and compared to other primates, because if 634 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: you look at like a gorilla, for example, they're just 635 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: so much bigger than a human, but their penis isn't 636 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: equally as large in comparison to the ratio with a human. 637 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,479 Speaker 1: And they think that it's evolutionary because they we're saying 638 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: that the penis size in humans got a lot larger 639 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: when they you know, ever since they've been standing up 640 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: and it's just like walking upright and just saying that 641 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: it was like before men started wearing clothes and things 642 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: like that, so men would walk around without clothes on, 643 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: and that would just be like this badge of like 644 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: strength for women. I mean, if you're not talking about 645 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 1: personality and facial looks, you're talking about a human as 646 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: an animal. From an evolutionary standpoint, it's just like a 647 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: man with that is taller, with a V shaped body, 648 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: with a big penis is more likely to get a 649 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: woman and to scare off men. It's interesting, right, I 650 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: think it's cool. I love like evolutionary stuff like that, 651 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: so I think it's obviously there's so much more to 652 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: take into consideration, but a lot of times we forget 653 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: that we are of the animal species, and there are 654 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: certain things that we do that are instinctual and it's interesting. 655 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, this one's very sad. The mother of 656 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: a thirty three year old nurse didn't hear from her 657 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 3: daughter for hours, and when she went to check her 658 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 3: phone location, it pinged at the local coroner's office because 659 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,760 Speaker 3: her daughter had been struck by a car and killed. 660 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: Oh God, that's so terrible. I can't I can't even 661 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: imagine that. And the woman's the woman that got killed 662 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: was in her thirties, right, yeah, and her mom couldn't 663 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: get a hold of her, and just like that's what 664 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: any mom would do, just check your location and say God. 665 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about like how many people this 666 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: probably happens too that we don't even know about. And 667 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: just cell phones, Like something we had talked about last 668 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: week was these Idaho photos that were accidentally released, right, 669 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: And one thing I noticed in a lot of the 670 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: photos is just their cell phones are just laying on 671 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: the ruts next to their dead bodies. And I'm just thinking, 672 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: like these kids, we're just having a totally normal night 673 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: as college students, and like we're brutally murdered. And when 674 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: you walk in the scene, it's just like their whole 675 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: life is just stood still and their phones are still 676 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: basically in their hands. 677 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 2: But they're murdered and there's blood everywhere. 678 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 3: I don't know, something about that component of it just 679 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: really upset me. 680 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 2: Just seeing it. 681 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: Is there's a lot in those photos that's upsetting because 682 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: it's just like you just see every like you said, 683 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: like everything where it stood, food, like trash, laundry like everything. 684 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: It's just like it just makes it. It just makes 685 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: it very real, and it is very sad to see 686 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: the pictures. I mean, I don't I don't think that 687 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: we had to see the pictures in order to like 688 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: really get the full grasp of how terrible that was overall, 689 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 1: But just seeing them just makes it really like real. 690 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, And that's because it's like obviously people 691 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,919 Speaker 3: like people can killed all the time and their phones 692 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 3: with them, right, but like the visual of seeing it, 693 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 3: it's just really hard to see. So I just was 694 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 3: thinking about that with you know, people having other people's locations, 695 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 3: like you have my location, right, so like how gut 696 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 3: wrenching that must be. I mean, there is even one 697 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 3: day where you thought my phone paying did at field 698 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: and you like called Ricky freaking out right, So like 699 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 3: this is just really really terrible and it sucks as 700 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: it's like she was crossing the streets, you got hit 701 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 3: by this car. This guy got arrested, he's out on 702 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 3: bond now, and the mom's just like, is is there 703 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 3: ever gonna. 704 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 2: Be justice for my daughter? 705 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: Basically I'm actually curious about that because I feel like 706 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: if I I feel like the little experience I have 707 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: with tracking either you or one of the kids with 708 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: the phone and the iPads and the watches and all 709 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: that crap, it sucks so bad, Like I can't figure 710 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: out how to make it be pretty accurate. So I 711 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: feel like if I saw that, I wouldn't even I'm 712 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: not even sure I would initially like think it was right. 713 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: I just feel like it's wrong. Sometimes I don't know, like, yeah, 714 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: I just think that my mind would just tell me 715 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: that that couldn't be possible, and and yeah, I mean 716 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: you do think about that for example when accidents happen, 717 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you guys have examples of that in 718 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: your own life that you know sometimes like maybe I'll 719 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: run to the store for like or not even the store, 720 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 1: I'll run to the bring Lucia to to ballet, for example, 721 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: and I leave Lillian here for like five minutes. Why 722 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: I leave right and then I and I always text 723 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: Gabe and Talam that I left because I'm like, what 724 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: if I get an accident or something like nobody's going 725 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: to even know where I am or you know, like 726 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: you think about that kind of stuff, like she's home 727 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: alone and she's not gonna know where I'm at, and 728 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: like stuff like that probably happens all the time. You're right, 729 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: I mean everybody has a phone. 730 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 3: Well exactly, so I just I can't imagine just the 731 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 3: horror of the gut wrenching feeling of seeing it and 732 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 3: then it coming true. 733 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 2: And for can't imagine for employees too. 734 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 1: At the corner of medical examiner's office, like it must 735 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: be haunting to hear people's phones going off and knowing 736 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: that family members like he might be trying to get 737 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: a hold of them. 738 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, wasn't there like an episode of 739 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 3: Sex in the City or something where Miranda had a 740 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 3: date and the guy like died or something and the 741 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 3: nurse answered the phone it was like, yeah, he's dead. 742 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there was maybe it. 743 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 2: Wasn't that show. 744 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 1: I have a memory, I feel, because then they go 745 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: to the funeral and stuff. 746 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: He was I don't, I don't remember. 747 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: I feel like they all went to someone's funeral. I 748 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: don't know, they all went to the girl that was 749 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,720 Speaker 1: like New York is had fun anymore. 750 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 2: No, No, it wasn't that one. 751 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: It was like a guy that one of them were 752 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: dating or something, and it didn't like, didn't Sarah Jessica 753 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: didn't carry like meet someone at that funeral or something. 754 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember. 755 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 3: Watch since so I don't know why I'm thinking of that, 756 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 3: and now they've just ruined. 757 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: They've ruined exactly. That's how I feel, too, Like I 758 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: don't ever want to watch it because they just suck now. 759 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 3: But alright, on this somber note, we have some Valentine's 760 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 3: Day merch you guys could check out on the doormattershop 761 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 3: dot com. You can also find that link on the 762 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 3: Grosser Room or in the discretion of this episode. 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Thank you for listening to Mother NOO's Death. 772 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant. 773 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy 774 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I 775 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without 776 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. 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