1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: And I think people look at certain people and maybe 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: me if that if I were in a position this 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: country believed me would not be ripped off like it is, 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: and it is just being ripped off so badly by 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: our so called allies. 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a pretty strong statement. So now are you. 7 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Saying it's strong? I think it's fair. The country is 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: losing billions and billions of dollars to Japan and we 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: can't afford to lose and it's a shame. 10 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: But so now are you saying this by way of 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 2: indicating that you could do it better? And you do 12 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: intend to run for president or something. 13 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to run for president, but I think somebody. 14 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: Now in eight years if you came back, would you 15 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 2: have a different answer in four years. 16 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I tend to doubt it. I really tend to doubt it. 17 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 3: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry o'she I served in 18 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: all around the world. 20 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 4: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I 21 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 4: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. 22 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 23 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: created conspiracies. 24 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 4: In our operations we got people to believe things that 25 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: weren't true. 26 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories we see in the 27 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: news almost every day. 28 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 4: Will break them down for you to determine whether they 29 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 30 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to mission implausible. I guess we can't avoid it 31 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 3: as members of the deep state. At some point we 32 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: have to talk about the view out there that Donald 33 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: Trump has a special relationship with Russia. And in fact, 34 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 3: he's exercised a real degree of self control with respect 35 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: to Russia that he doesn't show with anything else. And 36 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: so there's always been a concern out there that he 37 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: must have some sort of special relationships. Some people say 38 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: that he's a Russian agent. I've actually written about that. 39 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: Adam's actually written about that. So we're going to talk 40 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: to some folks today get a little bit better sense. 41 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 5: Of that idea. 42 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, is this a suspicion or is this a conspiracy theory? 43 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 6: His National security advisor JR. McMasters famously wrote in his 44 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 6: book recently that, like he said, they've got something on Trump, 45 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 6: the Russians. I just don't know what it is. 46 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 7: We talk all the time about ow erratic Trump can 47 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 7: be how crazy he can seem, but then there are 48 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 7: these moments of control where clearly he knows what the 49 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 7: lines are and he can't deviate from them. And it's 50 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 7: not any of the lines we see in art. Don't 51 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 7: send a mob to attack the Capitol. I mean, even 52 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 7: just read the teleprompter, do the messaging that won't alienate 53 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 7: every woman in America, and he can't do it. He 54 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 7: literally seems incapable. But it is fascinating how there is 55 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 7: this one area where he has shown incredible message discipline. 56 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 7: And it's hard not to notice that we're not wild 57 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists. Professionally, that's not our thing, So we're not 58 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 7: going to come to any conclusions we don't have evidence for. 59 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to be really careful about this because 60 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: having served in Russia and worked against Russian intelligence for 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: the better part of my career, I never talked to 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: journalists at all, and I never was public at all. 63 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: But it was when this popped up that's so called 64 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: Steele Dusty in twenty sixteen is the first time I 65 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: ever went on TV and then I started to write 66 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: about it, and so I try to be really careful 67 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: about it. If there's people who would know better than 68 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: I do. For example, when FBI Acting Director Andrew McCabe 69 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: was asked if President Trump might be an asset of 70 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Russian intelligence, he actually answered, I think it's possible, which 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: is crazy. 72 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 6: There's no smoking gun, we have no proof, But I 73 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 6: think we can explore what the suspicions are or what 74 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 6: the concerns are, and as counterintelligence officers, I think we 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 6: can take a hard look at this from a counter 76 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 6: intelligence point of view as opposed to a law enforcement 77 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 6: you know, beyond a reasonable doubt optic. 78 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 7: The thing that I think a lot of people don't 79 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 7: realize is generally, especially Department of Defense, a Department of Justice, 80 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 7: but also almost any prosecutor, they really want a case 81 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 7: with close to one hundred percent chance of successful prosecution. 82 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 7: They are not taking an eighty percent chance of prosecution case. 83 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 7: Certainly not a sixty percent chance of prosecution case. But 84 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 7: in our day to day life, if there's an eighty 85 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 7: percent chance your spouse is cheating on you, or a 86 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 7: sixty percent chance that your business partner just embezzled all 87 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 7: the money, you're not going to be like, well, I'm 88 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 7: not doing anything about it until I get one hundred percent. 89 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 7: And that's what I understand is you guys in the 90 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 7: spy game, you live in a world of sixty percent 91 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 7: or sometimes thirty percent or twenty percent, and. 92 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: The chance of knowing the one hundred percent is almost 93 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: impossible because it's locked up in a safe in Lublanca somewhere, 94 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: And so the chance you're ever going to get that thing, 95 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 3: you have to make informed guesses, look at patterns, because, 96 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: like you said, if some things could be potentially more 97 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: damaging than finding one hundred percent answer, And. 98 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 6: It's about consequences. So if there's only a five percent 99 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 6: chance that someone is a counterintelligence threat, so five percent 100 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 6: chance that this person is or could be working with 101 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 6: a foreign power, you still wouldn't put them in like 102 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 6: the CIA's Secret of Secrets. So you know, you talk 103 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 6: about sixty percent or eighty percent when it comes to 104 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 6: counter intelligence issues, it's more than just a preponderance of evidence. 105 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 7: Are we giving this guy a security clearance? 106 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 6: Which that for me would be the bottom line. 107 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, because when you're giving someone a security clearance, if 108 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 7: there's a four percent chance or certainly a twenty percent 109 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 7: chance that person is a Russian agent, you're not going 110 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 7: to say, ah, it's fine, right, if. 111 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 6: You needed a quart of milk, the store is a 112 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 6: mile away. And I tell you there's a one in 113 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 6: one hundred chance your car is going to blow up. 114 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 6: Are you going to take a bicycle or your car? 115 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 6: What if it's one in a thousand, What if it's 116 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 6: one in a million? 117 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: To turn it away to a little bit differently, some 118 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: people have looked at Donald Trump's business practices, in fact Adam's, 119 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: and it's interesting because Russia really is you could argue 120 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: call it a blackmail state. It's a corrupt place, it's 121 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: a gangster's way of governance, and Russians call it the systema. 122 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: There's very few real legal systems in Russia that can't 123 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: be overthrown by the leadership. And instead, it's like this 124 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 3: power network where everyone's looking for leverage it via in 125 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: committing information on everyone else, and your goal is to 126 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: collect material so you can destroy your rivals, but you 127 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: never actually know what anybody else has, and so it's 128 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: sort of like this mutual assured destruction. And that's how 129 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: the system works over there, and frankly, that's how Donald 130 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: Trump has done business for his career. So there's an 131 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: interesting parallel between sort of the Russian system and his system, 132 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: and that plays into this too. 133 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 7: So this was exactly what I was trying to figure out. 134 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 7: Here's what I wrote in The New Yorker a few 135 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 7: years ago in SYSTEMA, the former Soviet Union system of compromot. 136 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 7: When faced with uncertainty, every member knows that the best 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 7: move is to maintain whatever alliances you have and to 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 7: avoid grand steps that could antagonize powerful figures. Trump has 139 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 7: made a lot of money doing deals with business people 140 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 7: from the former Soviet Union, and at least some of 141 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 7: these deals bear many of the warning signs of money 142 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 7: laundering and other financial crimes. Deals in Toronto, Panama, New York, 143 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 7: and Miami involved money from sources in the former Soviet 144 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 7: Union who hid their identities through shell companies and exhibited 145 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 7: other indications of money laundering. The scenario that to my mind, 146 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 7: makes the most sense of the given facts and requires 147 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 7: the fewest fantastical leaps, is that fifteen years or so ago, Trump, naive, 148 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 7: covetous and struggling for cash, may have laundered money for 149 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 7: a business partner from the former Soviet Union or engaged 150 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 7: in some other financial crime. This placed him unawares squarely 151 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 7: within the compromont system of the former Soviet Union, where 152 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 7: he remained conducting business with other members of a handful 153 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 7: of overlapping Central Asian networks. Had he never sought the presidency, 154 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 7: he may never have had to come to terms with 155 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 7: these decisions. But now he is much like everyone else 156 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 7: in the former Soviet Union system. He fears there is 157 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 7: compromant out there, maybe a lot of it, but he 158 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 7: doesn't know precisely what it is, who has it, or 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 7: what might set them off. 160 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 8: It's really degrees and you know, we would mule you 161 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 8: out for counterintelligence reasons if people have leverage over you, 162 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 8: to include like family things right that you have no 163 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 8: control over. If your wife's family lives in a country 164 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 8: that might try to blackmail her cousin, we probably wouldn't 165 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 8: take you where. And even though you're just firing. 166 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: Or if you had convictions, you wouldn't get work to 167 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: have convictions. 168 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 8: So it's about leverage and not is he a spy 169 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 8: or is any It's not a binary black and white sink, which. 170 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: Brings us to our first guest. 171 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: So today we have Philip Arswald. He's an economist, author 172 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: and professor at George Mason shar School of Policy and Government. 173 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: We wish to speak with him about his article published 174 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: in The Hill entitled Trump's NATO hostility and Russia Relations 175 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 3: trace back to nineteen eighty seven, Philip, since so many 176 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: people believe Trump's ties to Russia are a hoax or 177 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 3: a liberal conspiracy, can you give us a short overview 178 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: of the article. 179 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 9: I really look at it as just starting back at 180 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 9: the really the beginning of the story of Donald Trump's 181 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 9: relationships with at that time Soviets, but also just the 182 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 9: beginning of his political career. And it's a fair question 183 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 9: to ask when did his political career start? So it 184 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 9: turns out that question has a very clear answer. And 185 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 9: the date that Donald Trump's political career begins is September second, 186 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 9: nineteen eighty seven. What happens on that date two things. One, 187 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 9: Donald Trump takes out full page ads in the New 188 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 9: York Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe at 189 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 9: a cost of roughly one hundred thousand dollars then two 190 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 9: hundred and fifty thousand dollars in today's terms, at a 191 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 9: time when his business mentors are starting to lose money. 192 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 9: What does the ad say? The ad says literally the 193 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 9: headline there's nothing wrong with America's foreign defense policy that 194 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 9: a little backbone can cure, and the subtitle is an 195 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 9: open letter from Donald Trump on why America should stop 196 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 9: paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves. 197 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 9: So what's the theme? We're being taken for suckers. Our 198 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 9: allies are the problem, not our enemies. They're not paying 199 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 9: for are their own defents, and if they're not going 200 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 9: to do that, we shouldn't pay for them. Obviously, this 201 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 9: is a familiar theme. The other thing that happens is 202 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 9: that Donald Trump appears on Larry King Live. And the 203 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 9: very first question that Larry King asked him is Donald, 204 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 9: are you a Republican? 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 10: Are you a Republican? 206 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: Donald, I'm a Republican. 207 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 5: Yes. 208 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 10: So if there were politics, it would be as a Republican. 209 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: It would be I guess as a Republican. But I 210 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,599 Speaker 1: don't see that there will be pro politics. 211 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 10: Why they add then, why now? 212 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: Well, it was very easy. I was tired, and I 213 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: think a lot of people are tired of watching other 214 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: countries ripping off the United States. This is a great country. 215 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: They laugh at us behind our backs, they laugh at 216 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: us because of our own stupidity and the leaders. 217 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 6: I mean, what we have. 218 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: We have a Persian golf situation. You saw what happened today. 219 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: Billions and billions of dollars of being spent when getting 220 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: oil for Japan, and they're not paying anything for it. Essentially, 221 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: they're paying nothing for it. We have tankers going back 222 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: and forth that our men are protecting, losing their lives. 223 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, they're losing their lives, Larry. We're spending billions 224 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: and billions of protection and those tankers are going over 225 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: to Japan. It's just preposterous. I watched the Kuwaiti oil 226 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: minister the other day laughing as he was explaining how 227 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: much money they intend to make with the Bridgeton, which 228 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: has been a total disaster the Bridgeton, and I said 229 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: to myself, isn't that a shame? He's talking about how 230 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: much money they're going to make and here we are, 231 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: he's smiling and laughing. Why don't we get some of it? 232 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: Why is it that we're protecting? We have frogmen, we 233 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: have helicopters, we have aircraft carriers and all sorts of 234 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: ships all over the Persian Gulf, so that this man 235 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: and his little group can make a lot of money. 236 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous. Japan is one of the wealthiest 237 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: machines ever created. They're laughing to themselves, Larry, as to 238 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: what's happening in this country. 239 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 10: Are we going to be hearing more from mister Trump 240 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 10: on issues like this as we go along? 241 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: I really don't know, Larry. This is an issue that's 242 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: been bothering me. It's been bothering a lot of people 243 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: that I know, the concept of America financing and paying 244 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and losing lives for countries that won't even allow us 245 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: to use their ships. And these are the countries that 246 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: in twenty four hours they'd be wiped off the face 247 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: of the earth if it weren't for America. It's ridiculous. 248 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 9: And then they talk about an invitation that he has 249 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 9: received to speak in New Hampshire in October at the 250 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 9: start of primary season. 251 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 10: Is it true that you're going to go to New 252 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 10: Hampshire in October at the invitation of Mike Dunbar, who's 253 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 10: heading a group called Draft Donald Trump. 254 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: Well, I was asked about three or four weeks ago 255 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: whether or not by a very good friend of mine, 256 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: whether or not I'd go to New Hampshire. That's turned 257 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: out to be now a much bigger deal than I 258 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: had ever anticipated. And perhaps I don't know I am going. 259 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: I've made the commitment to go. I made the commitment 260 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: about three weeks ago, and I will go. 261 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 10: Yes, you will go, even though you realize now in 262 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 10: just setting foot in that state, people are going to 263 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 10: presume things. 264 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: Well, they can presume whatever they want. I have no 265 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: intention of running for president, but I'd like the point 266 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: to get across that we have a great country, but 267 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: it's not going to be great for long. If we're 268 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: going to continue to lose two hundred billion dollars a year, 269 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: you're going to get into the early nineties, nineteen ninety, 270 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, and the whole thing's gonna blow because 271 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: this country cannot continue to support Japan and Saudi Arabia 272 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: and Kuwait and many other countries that are much wealthier 273 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: than we are. We're not a wealthy country. You can't 274 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: be a wealthy country when you're losing the kind of 275 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: money that we'll lose. It's going to be so bad 276 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: that people will never I really believe this could be 277 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: much much worse, unfortunately than recession. This could be the 278 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: step beyond. I hate to use the word depression, but 279 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: if we don't solve the two hundred billion a year loss, 280 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: which is exactly what we have, this country is going 281 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: to have some very very serious problem in the early 282 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties. 283 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 10: One other thing, could the next presidency be a one 284 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 10: term presidency? Because of that? 285 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: I think the next president of the United States could 286 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: have some very, very very serious problems. It's going to 287 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: be I think a very difficult It's going to be 288 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: a very difficult presidency because of the problems that we're 289 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: talking about right now. 290 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 10: And you don't want it to be Donald Trump. 291 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I do not want it to be Donald Trump, but 292 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: I do want the problem to be solve. 293 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 9: Larry So before that in the eighties, I would say 294 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 9: eighty four eighty five, he's interviewed. People say you should 295 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 9: be a politician. He says, yeah, no, that does really 296 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 9: interest me. September second, nineteen eighty seven is his coming 297 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 9: out day. It's an orchestrated coming out day and he 298 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 9: uses exactly the same language now that he did that. 299 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: We'll be back in just a moment. 300 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: Let's get back into it. 301 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: But also I think you mentioned that it's tied to Russia. 302 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: He had just this is just following a number of 303 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: trips to Russia, among other things. 304 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 9: So go back two months, A couple of other things happen. 305 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 9: One is that he travels to Moscow at the invitation 306 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 9: of in tourists. It is the official Soviet travel agency, 307 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 9: and it's in an operational arm of the KGB, and 308 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 9: that's not in dispute. That's just what it was. So essentially, 309 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 9: at the invitation of de facto the KGB, he traveled 310 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 9: to Moscow. But in nineteen ninety, when he's interviewed by Playboy, 311 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 9: he actually describes this trip. 312 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: Here's our friend comedian Rob Cordory reading some excerpts from 313 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's interview with Playboy magazine in nineteen ninety. 314 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 11: There, I am up in my plane when my pilot 315 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 11: announces we are now flying over the Soviet Union, and 316 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 11: I'm thinking to myself, what the hell am I doing here? 317 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 11: Then I look out the window I see two Russian 318 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 11: fighter planes. I later found out guiding us in. I 319 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 11: had insisted on having two Russian colonels flying with me. 320 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 11: I felt safer. I told them, guys, we have a 321 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 11: basic problem far as real estate is concerned. It's impossible 322 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 11: to get title to Russian land since the government owns 323 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 11: it all. What kind of financing are you going to 324 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 11: get on a building with a land is owned by 325 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 11: the goddamn motherland. They said, no problem, mister Trump, we 326 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 11: will work out Lise agreements. I said, I want ownership, 327 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 11: not Lesa's. They came up with a solution, mister Trump. 328 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 11: We form a committee with ten people, of which seven 329 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 11: are Russian and three are your representatives, and all disputes 330 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 11: will be resolved in this manner. I thought to myself, shit, 331 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 11: seven to three are we dealing in the world of 332 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 11: the make believe? 333 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 12: Here? 334 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: What? 335 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 9: Surprisingly, because there has been quite a bit written about 336 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 9: this trip. Zero people have reported that he registered as 337 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 9: a Republican three days before taking the trip, And so 338 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 9: when you look at the content of that ad, it 339 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 9: is an ad whose message is that US allies and 340 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 9: alliances are not to be trusted. The intention is to 341 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 9: undermine the confidence of the American people in our allies 342 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 9: and alliances, and that becomes the focal point because comes NATO. 343 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: So I think it's fair to say, because there's some 344 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: other authors have looked into this a little bit. Craig 345 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: Unger is one. There's a number They've written number of 346 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: books about Donald Trump's interest in Russia and how his 347 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: talking points seem to change around this time, but they 348 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 3: do seem to be Russian talking points. You talked about 349 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: the nineteen ninety interview and Playboy. One of the things 350 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 3: he's doing in that interview is he's suggesting that the 351 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: hardliners and Soviet Union. You know, Gorbachev is not being 352 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: tough enough. Trump is supporting the hardliners. The fact that 353 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: these ideas are really out of the mainstream of American policy. 354 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: That the odd notion that Gorbachev's not being tough enough 355 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: and he should keep country together. From a real estate builder, 356 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: it just seemed very odd. 357 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 11: Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. 358 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 11: That's my problem with Gorbachev not a firm enough hand. 359 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 11: When the students poured into Tianamen Square, the Chinese government 360 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 11: almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible. 361 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 11: If they put it down with strength, that shows you 362 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 11: the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived 363 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 11: as weak as being spit on by the rest of 364 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 11: the world. Generally, these guys are much tougher and smarter 365 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 11: than our representatives. We have people in this country just 366 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 11: as smart, but unfortunately they're not elected officials. We're still 367 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 11: suffering from a loss of respect that goes back to 368 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 11: the Carter administration when helicopters were crashing into one another 369 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 11: and Iran. Some of our presidents have been incredible jerk offs. 370 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 11: We need to be tough. I don't want the presidency. 371 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 11: I'm going to help a lot of people with my foundation, 372 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 11: and for me, the grass isn't always greener. 373 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 9: Okay, So first of all, where's the conspiracy. What's implausible? 374 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 9: You guys are Mission Applausbus. 375 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 5: What's impossible. 376 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 9: What's going to be implausible is the hotel deal. That's implausible. 377 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 9: It's a pretext. That's my assertion that the hotel deal 378 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 9: was a pretext, and furthermore that it was there was 379 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 9: a pretext agreed upon prior to his trip. I don't 380 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 9: believe this story about the hotel. I don't believe it. 381 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 9: There are three intervals of Trump talking about Soviets in 382 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 9: the nineteen eighties. In the first interval, nineteen eighty four 383 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 9: eighty five, Trump is obsessed with negotiating a nuclear arms 384 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 9: deal with the Soviets. Where does he get this idea? 385 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 9: He gets this idea apparently from his uncle, really based 386 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 9: from his childhood. After November nineteen eighty five, he never 387 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 9: talks about that again. Never he's on Letterman. 388 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: You know, at the beginning of the show, I said 389 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: you either love him or you hate him. Now do 390 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: you find that that's true? Or does everybody love you 391 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: or does everybody hate you? 392 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: Now? Most people love me and a few really have 393 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: great dis stays to him. 394 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 5: Huh. 395 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 2: And why is it those people that few would not 396 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: care for you because you're so successful to. 397 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: No, Oh, I don't think so. It's just I sort 398 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 1: of speak my mind a little bit a little bit 399 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: like you in that respect, a little bit like. 400 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: A little bit like me, not too much, hopefully. And 401 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 2: what about the are people trying to draft you to 402 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: run for a president up in New Hampshire? 403 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: Well, I guess a lot of people want to see 404 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: this country. Yeah, it's it's a shame what's happening. Japan, 405 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, They're all everybody's taken advantage of the 406 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: United States. People know that if certain people are running 407 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: a country, that it won't happen. I mean when you 408 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: look at Japan not paying for the defense. We're defending Japan. 409 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: We're losing billions and billions of dollars and it's a shame. 410 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: And the Japanese folks, who I respect greatly, but they're 411 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: they're not treating us fairly. They're really not treating us 412 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: fairly Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, They're not paying us anything for 413 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: the services we're rendering it. I think it's a disgrace. 414 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: And I think people look at certain people and maybe 415 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: me if that if I were in a position this 416 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: country believed me would not be ripped off like it is, 417 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: and it is just being ripped off so badly by 418 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: our so called allies. 419 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 420 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: So, so that that's a pretty strong statement. 421 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: So now are you say it gets strong? I think 422 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: it's fair. And by the way, I have tremendous respect 423 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: for the Japanese I have. I do a lot of 424 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: business with the Japanese, and they smile about it too. 425 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: They know it. The country is losing billions and billions 426 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: of dollars to Japan and we can't afford to lose 427 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: and it's a shame. 428 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: But so now are you saying this by way of 429 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: indicating that you could do it better? And you do 430 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: intend to run for president. 431 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to run for president, but I think somebody. 432 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: In eight years, if you came back, would you have 433 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 2: a different answer in four years. 434 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 1: I tend to doubt it. I really tend to doubt it. 435 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 9: You ask when did Donald Trump's national political career begin. 436 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 9: There's a single answer, September second, nineteen eighty seven. What 437 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 9: made him do the things he did on that day? 438 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 9: We have to think what happened before and after it. 439 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 5: So this makes him vulnerable. 440 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 9: It makes in vulnerable because he demands to be taken seriously. 441 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 9: He is in a weak psychological position, because he is 442 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 9: a fundamentally needy person from the Russian Soviet side. It's 443 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 9: obvious that they take him seriously. They fly him in 444 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 9: a private jet or escort his own private jet through 445 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 9: Soviet airspace, accompanied in the cabin by two Russian colonels 446 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 9: and actually winged by Soviet Air Force. He spends a 447 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 9: quarter million dollars of his own money publishing an ad 448 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 9: in Then Airtimes, Washington Post, Boston Globe that is very 449 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 9: clearly aligned and in the service of KGB talking points. 450 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 9: At that time, he keeps going Oprah. 451 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 13: You took out a full page ad in major US 452 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 13: newspapers last year criticizing US foreign policy. What would you 453 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 13: do differently. 454 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: Down I'd make our allies forgetting about the enemies, the 455 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: enemies you can't talk to so easily. 456 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 5: I'd make our allies pay their fair share. 457 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 6: We're a debtor nation. 458 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: Something's going to happen over the next number of years 459 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: with this country because you can't keep going on losing 460 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: two hundred billion, and yet we let Japan come in 461 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: and dump everything right into our markets and everything. It's 462 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: not free trade. If you ever go to Japan right 463 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: now and try to sell something, forget about it. Open, 464 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: just forget about it. It's almost impossible. 465 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 9: She speaks at Lehigh University in June nineteen eighty eight, 466 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 9: a year and a half after the trip, and to 467 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 9: these poor graduates captive there, he says, forget about our 468 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 9: enemies Russia. We don't deal with them that much. 469 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: This is a tremendous honor for me. I guess in 470 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: a lot of ways. My wife is sitting right over here. 471 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: She just became an American citizen. And that's Savannah. The 472 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: other night of Honna and I had dinner with Abe Rosenthal, 473 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: who headed and did such an incredible job at the 474 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: New York Times and gay Talise the writer, and they 475 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: used an expression which I thought was fantastic. It was 476 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: the feeling of supremacy that this country had in the 477 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. It was a feeling of supremacy. It really was. 478 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I've known that since the Vietnam War and even a 479 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: little bit before, this country hasn't had the feeling of supremacy. 480 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: And what's happening is Japan and Saudi Arabia and Kuwait 481 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: and so many countries are just ripping off American left 482 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: and right and down the middle like nobody. I mean, 483 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: not our enemies. Forget about our enemies Russia. We don't 484 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: deal with them that much, et cetera, et cetera. These countries, 485 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: our friends, are making billions and billions of dollars and 486 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: stripping us of our dignity, our economic dignity. We're a 487 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: deator nation, we're a poor nation. And it's ridiculous what's happening. 488 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: And we'll be right back, and we're back. 489 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: But what we haven't discussed here is a whole nother 490 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: big part of this is the character of the Russian 491 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 4: security services. 492 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 5: So there's a. 493 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 4: Guy by the name of Armond Hammer. If people older 494 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 4: people might remember Armand Hammer. He was an industrialist in 495 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties occidental oil. He was the Donald Trump 496 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 4: of the nineteen fifties and sixties, and he was the 497 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 4: one guy who could deal with the Soviet Union right. 498 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 4: And he was a philanthropist and loved by many administrations. 499 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 4: And it didn't come out until twenty or thirty years 500 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 4: afterwards that he was very likely, almost certainly a spy 501 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: for the Russians. Spy meaning he was an agent of 502 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: Russian of Soviet interests, and he was dealing with the 503 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: Russians in a way that he was keeping secret from 504 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 4: the US and that was benefiting the Russians. There was 505 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 4: a quid pro quo there, and so the Russians that's 506 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 4: the way they operate. 507 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: And Philip said it, well, is the fact that they're 508 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 3: going to pay attention to them and they're going to 509 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: give them what he thinks he needs to try to 510 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: develop relationship with him. And we've all learned about Donald Trump. 511 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 3: It's attention and saying nice things about him. In one 512 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: of the books, Uri Schwetz is a KGB officer who 513 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: defected to the United States. He's head of Trump quote. 514 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 3: This guy is not a complicated cookie as most important 515 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: characteristics being low intellect coupled with hyperinflated vanity. This combination 516 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: makes him a dream for an experienced recruiter. 517 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 9: Now, since you brought up Armenhammer, I will note one 518 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 9: thing because fit in the timeline, Trump serves on a 519 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 9: Reagan appointed panel with Armenhammer eighty forty five, and he 520 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 9: goes to a gala event hosted by Armenhammer in November 521 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 9: nineteen eighty five, exactly the time that I'm talking about. 522 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 9: Armenhammer builds a one hundred and fifty million dollar luxury 523 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 9: hotel and conference center in Moscow that opens, I believe 524 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 9: in nineteen eighty Philip. 525 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: Let's go forward to twenty fifteen, just for a second. 526 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 4: Donald Trump is now running for president. Yeah, he says 527 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 4: I have no business interests, and he says this over 528 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 4: and over in different ways. I have no business interests 529 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 4: in Russia. And so back to the hotel. It turns 530 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 4: out afterwards that on twenty eight October twenty fifteen, he 531 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: signed a non binding letter of intent to build Trump 532 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 4: Tower Moscow. The Russians know he's lying to the American people. 533 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 5: Trump knows. 534 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 4: The only people who don't is the American people. That's compromat, right, 535 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 4: So his relationship with the Russians is fairly deep. 536 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 3: If you are lying to the American people about something 537 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 3: and the Russians know you're a lying to the American 538 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: people about that gives them not copra, but some sort 539 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: of leverage. And also you have this long history behind him. Yes, 540 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 3: he can feel like he's totally one of the boys. 541 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: We're intelligence officers. We try to recruit people. We use 542 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: whatever it takes. It might be, you know, finding out 543 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 3: whether you're upset with your boss. It might be that 544 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: you need something for your kid. It might need that 545 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: you need medical help, but it might be you just 546 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 3: want ego boost. 547 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: The conspiracy theory version of this is that he is 548 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: an agent, a source, a paid source of the of 549 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: the Russians, right, that they're the puppet master. 550 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 3: It doesn't never be paid. 551 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 4: But what I think is it's clear to me as 552 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 4: an intelligence officer, is that he has a relationship with 553 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 4: the Russians that he's not sharing with the American people. 554 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 9: So I agree with you, he lies, but I don't 555 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 9: care that he lies. In twenty fifteen, because he's been 556 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 9: lying for until twenty eight years by then. 557 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: Right with what you're saying, is this stuff happened a 558 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 3: long time ago. It wasn't like we need to look 559 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: at twenty fifteen or what happened then to think that 560 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: he could be compromised. He was compromised thirty years before. 561 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 5: I think we're on board with that. Yeah, as a possibility. 562 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 9: Sure, let me let's read a line from the Playboy interview. 563 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 14: Here's Rob Kudry again, reading from the Playboy interview with 564 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 14: Donald Trump from March first, nineteen ninety. 565 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 11: Playboy, Why is Gorbachev not firm enough? I predict he'll 566 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 11: be overthrown because he's shown extraordinary weakness suddenly for the 567 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 11: first time ever. There are coal miner strikes and brush 568 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 11: fires everywhere, which will ultimately lead to. 569 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 5: A violent revolution. 570 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 11: Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader, 571 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 11: and we should continue to give him credit because he's 572 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 11: destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is 573 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 11: going to end up costing him and all his friends 574 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 11: what they. 575 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Most cherish their jobs. 576 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 9: At that time, Gorbachev's position was still fairly strong. This 577 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 9: was extremely ahead of the curve assertion by Trump that 578 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 9: Gorbachev was going to be overthrown, and sure enough VLADIMIRU Kushkoff, 579 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 9: who's the head of the KGB. Khrushkoff is one of 580 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 9: the organizers of the coup that happens eighteen months after 581 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 9: this interview, the failed coup. And this is not the 582 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 9: only time he does this. He also predicts that Yeltsin 583 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 9: will be ousted, and he does this during his Reform 584 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 9: Party run also on Larry King Live, and the same 585 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 9: thing happens in twenty ten, twenty eleven, except then his 586 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 9: coming out as a SEAPAC conference, and every single time 587 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 9: when you'd listen to this Larry King Live interview in 588 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 9: nineteen ninety nine, every single time he returns to the 589 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 9: same themes. Our allies are ripping us off, We're being 590 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 9: played for suckers. The world is laughing at us. We 591 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 9: can't trust NATO. Every single time he reappears as a 592 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 9: political figure. 593 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: But there are many the countries and taking tremendous advantage 594 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: of this, including NATO. If you look at the payments 595 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: that we're making to NATO, they're totally disproportioned with everybody 596 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: else's and it's ridiculous. We don't have any money. We're 597 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: going this country is busted, and it's busted because we're 598 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: doing things that we shouldn't be doing. 599 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 9: There's only one thing that Donald Trump has done consistently 600 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 9: for the last thirty seven years. He's had different wives, 601 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 9: he's had different business interests. He was on TV really 602 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 9: after Trump Tower. He never builds anything of significant. The 603 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 9: only thing that is consistent is his viewpoint on United 604 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 9: States allies and alliances and the fact that this is 605 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 9: a failing country. American Carnage, Central Park five. There's two 606 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 9: things that KGB active measures were intended to do in 607 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 9: the United States and Western Europe. Undermine confidence in the 608 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 9: institutions of Western democracy, undermine support for our defensive alliances, 609 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 9: in particular NATO. 610 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 3: You're saying that the relationship with the Russians, and it 611 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: started as the Soviets, has been consistent, and he's been 612 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: in some fashion aligned with them, whether he's fed talking 613 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: points or whatever it is. And the things we've seen 614 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 3: lately that are troubling and people have called compromund and 615 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 3: other things are simply a means of deflecting and trying 616 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: to and denying and trying to protect that relationship. 617 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: There's also that the relationship that the Muller Report touches on, 618 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 4: it doesn't touch on. It goes like over two hundred 619 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 4: pages into is not just a relationship between Donald Trump, 620 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 4: but also the relationship between Trump World. Right, let me 621 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 4: cite the Mola report says it does not establish a conspiracy, 622 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 4: but that does not mean there is no evidence of 623 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 4: this fact. 624 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 5: Right. 625 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 4: It makes it very clear that Jared Kushner don junior 626 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: man of Fort all met with Russians, not just Donald Trump. 627 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 4: And the reason this wasn't criminal, at least as far 628 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 4: as the Muller Report goes, was they couldn't prove that 629 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: they were witting, that they understood that they were involved 630 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: in a criminal conspiracy. They couldn't stablish motive. 631 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 9: The only thing that's consistent in Donald Trump's life is 632 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 9: his articulation of almost the same talking points verbatim about NATO. 633 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: And also, if it didn't come from this relationship and 634 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: his travels of Russia, where did it come from? Why 635 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 3: would a builder in New York be obsessed with NATO 636 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 3: and what they're paying? Thank you so much, Philip, Thank 637 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: you very much, Philip. 638 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 9: Thank you guys. 639 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 13: This sounds like political presidential talk. To me, And I 640 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 13: know people have talked to you about whether or not 641 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 13: you want to run. 642 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 5: Would you ever? 643 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Probably not, But I do get tired of seeing the 644 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: country report. 645 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 13: Why would you not? 646 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: I just don't think I really have the inclination to 647 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: do it. 648 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 5: I love what I'm doing. 649 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: I really like it also doesn't pay as well, but 650 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, I just. 651 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 6: Probably wouldn't do it. 652 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't, but I do get tired of seeing 653 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: what's happening with this country, and if it got so bad, 654 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: I would never want to rule it out totally because 655 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: I really am tired of seeing what's happening with this country, 656 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: how we're really making other people live like kings. 657 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 5: And we're not to continue our analysis. We're going to 658 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 5: talk again with our old friend Peter Struck. 659 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: He's a former deputy Assistant director of the FBI's Conrad 660 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 3: Intelligence Division, and he led the investigation into the Russian 661 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: interference in the twenty sixteen the United States elections, as 662 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 3: well as the investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a 663 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: personal email server. He's now an author, writer, speaker, and 664 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: podcaster who hosts the popular podcast clean Up on Aisle 665 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 3: forty five, and he's a good friend of ours. 666 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 12: Welcome, Peter, Hey, John, Hey, Jerry. Great to be ready, Peter. 667 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,959 Speaker 3: I'll get right into it. I was one of our 668 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: recent guests believes there is evidence that Donald Trump engage 669 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: in a relationship with Russian intelligence in the nineteen eighties 670 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: and since the nineteen eighties. He bases it on the 671 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: timing of his trips to Russia and Trump's subsequent actions 672 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: at the time. Can you explain what this would mean 673 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 3: to professional investigators, if anything. Are there circumstances where an 674 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 3: individual would be investigated on these kind of issues and 675 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: what would it take for that kind of investigation to start? 676 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, should answer is I think that's probably a reach. Look, 677 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 12: what's important to remember is, you know, the FBI is 678 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 12: both it's interesting and unique in some ways, and that 679 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 12: it's both a member of the US intelligence community. At 680 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 12: the same time, it's a criminal law enforcement entity and 681 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 12: conducts investigations into violations of law. But what's interesting for 682 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 12: the FBI at least, and part of what I found 683 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 12: so fascinating working there, is it's also an intelligence organization. 684 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 12: Right it is the lead counterintelligence agency in the United States. 685 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 12: And what that means for your listeners is far beyond 686 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,280 Speaker 12: just looking at an allegation of a violation of crime. 687 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 12: It's also charged with responding to all these nations around 688 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 12: the world that are doing intelligence activities within the United States. 689 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 12: And so when it comes to Russia, it's the FBI's 690 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,240 Speaker 12: job to respond to that. And so when the government 691 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 12: of Russia, when Vladimir Putin, when the presidential authority says 692 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 12: we need or want to do these things, they will 693 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 12: leverage and call on all their intell agencies when they 694 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 12: come to operate in the United States. The FBI tries, 695 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 12: working with the rest of the intelligence community, tries to 696 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 12: understand what they're doing and prevent that make it harder 697 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 12: for them to do that. And if we're good at it, 698 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 12: manipulate that it is not at all surprising. Indeed, the 699 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 12: Russians would be negligent to not go out and try 700 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 12: and look at and understand as much as they could 701 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 12: movers and shakers in America. And so would it surprise 702 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 12: me at all if Donald Trump is a businessman in 703 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 12: the seventies and the eighties travel to Moscow or had 704 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 12: Soviet than Russian businessmen or private citizens coming in and 705 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 12: wanting to invest in his real estate or casinos there 706 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 12: anywhere else. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Would the Russians 707 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 12: try and look at that information that they obtained to say, Hey, 708 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,320 Speaker 12: who is this person? How can we leverage him now 709 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 12: or even ten, twenty thirty years in the future, because 710 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 12: they as well, or if not better than the US. 711 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 12: We'll play the long game, right because maybe in ten 712 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 12: years that person is suddenly a prominent real estate mogul. 713 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 12: Maybe in twenty years that person's president of the United States. 714 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 14: We're gonna stop here for today. There's a lot to 715 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 14: cover on this subject. So this is a two parter. 716 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 14: We'll pick this up on the next episode of Mission Implausible. 717 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 15: Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'Shea, John Cipher, 718 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 15: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producer is Rachel Harner. Mission 719 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 15: Implausible is a production of honorable mention and abominable pictures 720 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 15: for iHeart Podcasts.