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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a beautiful It

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Speaker 2: really is Tuesday here in Pittsburgh. It's a Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: press conference and plenty to get to there. But before

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Speaker 2: we do that, Matt, I just got some great news

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Speaker 2: I heard. Please share for longtime listeners of the show.

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Speaker 2: You know that I've was going through a little cancer

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Speaker 2: issue there for the last eight months or so, started

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Speaker 2: in May. So okay, yeah, we're about we're about there,

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Speaker 2: seven eight months, whatever it is. But I had a

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Speaker 2: pet scan on Monday and I am cancer free.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's so awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there we go.

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Speaker 3: Congrats to stuff. Dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, newer listeners to the show, this is not

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Speaker 2: what I usually look like. If you're watching on this

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Speaker 2: look like what I look like.

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Speaker 4: But I've you know, I always had, you know, a

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Speaker 4: little goatee and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been able to grow that and still can't

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Speaker 2: grow the hair back yet. But it could be a

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Speaker 2: lot worse, could be a lot worse. It could be

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Speaker 2: a lot worse, and so you deal with it and

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Speaker 2: you move on and you keep battling. But the Steelers

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Speaker 2: have been battling all long and now face their toughest

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Speaker 2: battle of the season.

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Speaker 4: And I'd say, so, Yeah, I think that's pretty clear.

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Speaker 4: I mean, even if those teams are five hundred, it's

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Speaker 4: a tough battle.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, right, So I was looking this up today.

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Speaker 2: So the Steelers and Ravens since two thousand or nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety six, when the Ravens became the Ravens. Yeah, have

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Speaker 2: I've now played I believe it's thirty thirty six times

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Speaker 2: that they've played and had a in a one score game.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And so many of them are I mean one

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Speaker 4: tour game could would be considered eight points, so many

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Speaker 4: any of them are like three and less?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like he was the one actually won

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Speaker 2: twenty three of those of the tight ones. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: but two last year both were seventeen ten games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's never thirty to ten.

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Speaker 2: Very rarely, very rarely does does one of the teams

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Speaker 2: blow the other one out.

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Speaker 3: This Ravens team.

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Speaker 4: I don't think either team's blowing them out, but this

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Speaker 4: Ravens team is just constructed so much different than they

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Speaker 4: usually are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, without question. So I don't know if this will

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Speaker 3: be a weird game.

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Speaker 4: It'll probably thirteen ten no matter well, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, Like, and both offenses are playing the best

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Speaker 4: they have all year.

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Speaker 3: You say this all the time.

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Speaker 4: I think it's one hundred percent true that Harbaugh, Like

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Speaker 4: when Harbaugh plays the Bengals and Burrow, it's like, we

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Speaker 4: got to score forty no matter what. When he plays

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Speaker 4: Harbaugh or Tomlin first one of thirteen wins and they

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Speaker 4: kind of always have that same mentality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it becomes a self fulfilling exactly because you

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Speaker 2: go into these games and Mike Tomlin was clear, but

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Speaker 2: he's like, look, we know them so well, they know

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Speaker 2: us so well that you know there's no surprises there.

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Speaker 2: You try to you try to zig and zag, both

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Speaker 2: teams do, but you do what you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still staying in your lane basically.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, And you know you've said of the

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Speaker 2: thousand times, like teams that or or when we get

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Speaker 2: to do draft prep, you're like, that guy looks like

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Speaker 2: a stealer, that guy looks like a raven And often

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Speaker 2: they're the same. Yeah, they're the same dudes, right, because

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Speaker 2: they draft the same kind of guys.

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Speaker 4: And what I always say too is like before this,

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Speaker 4: we were talking about thirty for thirties in a football life,

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Speaker 4: like I would love to see one with Ozzie Newsome

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Speaker 4: and Kevin Colbert on a boat fishing, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: retired old men pulling out the truth of I can't

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Speaker 4: believe you swipe Calvin Austin for me.

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Speaker 3: I can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like I would.

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Speaker 3: We had the exact same grade on them, all that

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Speaker 4: You know, we we we're gonna use them exactly that way.

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Speaker 3: And you guys did the same thing. We had to

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Speaker 3: play against them for ten years. You know. I bet

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Speaker 3: there's a million of those stories between the two.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I mean because you just you just know, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, right, if they be truthful with each other

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Speaker 3: after they're done, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they know exactly when you talk about

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Speaker 2: AFC North football. They said the tone you're talking about

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Speaker 2: Steelers and Ravens football, that's what you're talking.

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Speaker 4: Then the others they've tried to keep up over that,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, or pattern themselves similarly. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're one hundred percent right, and really the Steelers were

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Speaker 4: the first of their kind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then everybody else has kind of followed suit.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so Mike Tomlin's saying today in addition to that,

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Speaker 2: Alex high Smith out for this game. But it looks

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Speaker 2: like Alex's dad actually tweeted out, though Sam high Smith

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Speaker 2: tweeted out earlier today, it's just a regular ankle sprain,

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Speaker 2: no broken bones or anything like that in the ankle.

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Speaker 2: Two to three.

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Speaker 4: Weeks, so not I are it doesn't sound right, which

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Speaker 4: is always telling because oh, the new rules are great. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean, if it's four weeks or more, you're like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know, he got it at least four but if

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Speaker 4: he didn't go on, he's probably coming back within the month.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the thing about it is too, Matt, because

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Speaker 2: they play Sunday and then Thursday. All right, he was

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Speaker 4: Two games matter what if it was Sunday Sunday, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: maybe but now.

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Speaker 2: You get now you get that that by many bye

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Speaker 2: week after that, maybe you get him back for that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's what they're shooting for. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And do you think there's a decent chance Herbig plays,

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Speaker 4: is Herbig is gonna play okay? Yeah, and and Smith's

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Dante Jackson apparently better than Mike. Tomlin said he saw

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Speaker 3: Uh they what was the nature his injury?

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Speaker 2: Hamstring? Okay, it must have just been some tightness or

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Speaker 2: something along those lines. And the same thing with with

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Speaker 4: And I would consider this time of year, maybe Wednesday,

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Speaker 4: they don't do much. Yeah, you know, but so what

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Speaker 4: you know, those are guys are counting on. They've had

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Speaker 4: if I Smith's the only one you're really missing, I can.

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Speaker 3: Live with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And honestly, if you look at I mean, you

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Speaker 2: don't want to be missing Alex Heismith. You'd love to

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Speaker 2: have all your guys available, But it looks like the

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Speaker 2: Ravens aren't gonna have Kyle Hamilton's.

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Speaker 4: I bet Hamilton's out just by the just watching that

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Speaker 4: game last Thursday, Yeah, that looked like like kind of

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Speaker 4: a similar injury. Yeah, I mean you see the foot

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Speaker 3: That that's a couple of weeks. Yeah, so it was

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Speaker 3: probably more important than heismith.

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Speaker 2: I would say, so speak Yeah, in terms of what

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Speaker 2: I mean, they asked it not out of him, they

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Speaker 2: asked a ton out of him, and their secondary was

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Speaker 2: bad with him, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, right right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, so then he can alleviate some of those problems,

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Speaker 4: but then you're digging out in the depth chart a

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Speaker 4: little more or getting you know, people in different positions

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Speaker 2: They replaced him with the little Darius Washington. Washington is

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Speaker 2: much different. It couldn't be any different, Like if if

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Speaker 2: those two stood next to each other, Kyle Hamilton and

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Speaker 2: a Darius Washington. Yeah, it's like Schwartzinger and Hamilton's a

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Speaker 2: six foot for you know, halkin kind of round safety.

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Speaker 3: They don't grow on trees, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And Washington, I mean I liked him coming out, but

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Speaker 2: he's a slot corner.

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Speaker 3: It looks like eight, you know, right, So I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that they have to change.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the guys that you have to change

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Speaker 4: your defense if he's not out there, because he could

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Speaker 4: do so many things for you.

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Speaker 2: You know, he said, why you know, in reality, that's

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Speaker 2: not a bad trade off for the Steelers. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's like taking you know, trade and Queen's or you know, your.

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Speaker 3: Queen for a night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you'll take it. I think they're pretty healthy. Other

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Speaker 4: than that, yeah, I mean they should be. They played

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Speaker 4: last Thursday. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think what their

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Speaker 4: I'm sure, but I don't think it's bad.

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Speaker 2: Here's how here's how bad the Ravens secondary has been

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Speaker 2: this season. I've been I've read now multiple things leading

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Speaker 2: because he's paying attention to these things. And people were

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Speaker 2: talking about Arthur Molett coming back because he's he came

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Speaker 2: back last week talking they're the national writers. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: they're gonna get Arthur Mallett back and that's going to

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Speaker 2: help fix the secondary.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, really, it might Arthur Mallett, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think it's going to fix fix anything. At least it's

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Speaker 4: an able body.

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Speaker 2: But unless he is somehow, he's still Arthur Mallett. I

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Speaker 2: mean he's a he's an NFL player, sure, and he's

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Speaker 2: a great dude. I liked Arthur Mallett when he was here.

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Speaker 2: He's not a difference maker, but he's not A he's

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Speaker 2: not a difference maker. And B he's a liability in coverage.

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Speaker 4: Yes, like there's a lot of I haven't studied as

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Speaker 4: much yet this year, but last year in their defense

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Speaker 4: was really good. Hamilton or Mallett, depending on what style

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Speaker 4: slot receiver, well cover the slot. Now it's probably all Mallet,

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Speaker 4: you know, which isn't exactly what you.

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Speaker 2: Want, no, and the and they'll also you know, do

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Speaker 2: some stuff with Humphrey.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I can move him around something.

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Speaker 2: But I mean you think back to how it wasn't

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Speaker 2: that long ago when the Steelers were using Malette as

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Speaker 2: a help replace him from Mike Hilton, and they also

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Speaker 2: had Cam Sutton and Mallett would play on rundowns and

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Speaker 2: something would play when it was a passing down because I.

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Speaker 4: Mean he's a tough AFC North run yeah type, you

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Speaker 4: know that can blitz and that type of thing, but

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Speaker 4: you don't want him cover and extending amount of time.

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Speaker 2: I would think though, against the Steelers, let's if it's

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Speaker 2: a let out there. I would think he's you know,

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Speaker 2: he's your you don't want you don't want Humphrey making

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Speaker 2: a bunch of tackles in the run game on Naugie Harris. No,

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Speaker 2: Then teams have been running against that, which the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: But they don't play eleven much, which I know Deontae

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Speaker 2: Well, they said they're going to try to start ramping

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be the chess match.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of the chess match here and and

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Speaker 3: Attack the lack of a note.

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Speaker 3: And fifty pounds huge human being too.

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Speaker 2: Well, Pierce just went on Pierce.

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Speaker 3: But Jones, the Yukon Jones is that big body guy,

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Speaker 4: Little more versatile than just a run plugger. Yeah, eat

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So these always get the juices flowing though, these

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Speaker 3: But he's done it the history, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean I don't even have to watch the Ravens

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, you know, yeah, and or they're playing since

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Speaker 4: No, and lamar Kin speaks for himself too, Yeah, so

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Speaker 4: Right, and his numbers and tape are all phenomenal, then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's good at it, he's good at it.

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Speaker 2: But that's where more mistakes are made. I don't want

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Speaker 4: There's been a hand not a handful, maybe three times

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's been a couple of times when they

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Speaker 4: And they've been like the best team in the league

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Speaker 2: But you don't you don't want Derek twenty plus carries

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Speaker 4: It probably goes without saying, but a huge key with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to get him before he gets one.

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Speaker 2: You get all kinds of goodies on there every time,

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Speaker 2: the phone photos. And we're just talking here about you know,

441
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,400
Speaker 2: the great photos that Carl Roser takes on the Steelers

442
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,480
Speaker 2: dot com best in the business. He is really good

443
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,240
Speaker 2: and captures them all the moments and where there's a

444
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Speaker 2: lot of photos. Those guys work hard. Yeah, but the

445
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,880
Speaker 2: apps loaded with stuff, loaded with all kinds of stuff.

446
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Speaker 2: And of course you can also watch it on YouTube,

447
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Speaker 2: which we appreciate if you do that as well.

448
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Speaker 3: And uh, I guess a lot of people are lately too.

449
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Speaker 2: We like that as well, So Matt. The last this season,

450
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 2: the Ravens are they're leading the league in yards per

451
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Speaker 2: game and points per game.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty wide margin.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at four hundred and fifty two yards in the

454
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Speaker 2: opener against Chiefs, three eighty three against the Raiders. They

455
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Speaker 2: lost that game, four fifty six against the Cowboys. They

456
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Speaker 2: won that game twenty eight twenty five. Uh for twenty

457
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Speaker 2: seven against the Bills, five twenty against Cincinnati five twenty

458
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 2: and then fell game and the Bengals had four to

459
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Speaker 2: forty two on the other side.

460
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Speaker 3: Right, Both those games went pretty similarly.

461
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Speaker 2: They had four eighty four against Washington, they had five

462
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Speaker 2: h eight against Tampa Bay. But the last three games, yeah,

463
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 2: not quite as crazy. Three eighty seven against Cleveland, three

464
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Speaker 2: ninety six against Denver, and three eighty nine last week

465
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Speaker 2: against Cincinnati. The second time around is that is are

466
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Speaker 2: teams figuring some things out against these guys?

467
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Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

468
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Speaker 2: I mean three eighty seven, three ninety six, and three

469
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Speaker 2: eighty nine are still really good.

470
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Speaker 3: They're still really good.

471
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Speaker 2: I mean, and you did score. You scored twenty four

472
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Speaker 2: to forty one and thirty five points in those games. Yeah.

473
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Speaker 4: And yards per play, the Packers are third best in

474
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Speaker 4: the league. They're at six to one. Niners are at

475
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Speaker 4: six five. That's second best. They're the only ones above six.

476
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Speaker 4: Baltimore's at seven to one. I mean, I don't know

477
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Speaker 4: I've ever seen seven point one yards per play for

478
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Speaker 4: this deep end of the season.

479
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy. I mean, I think moms positive.

480
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Speaker 4: They lead the league in passing yards per game and

481
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Speaker 4: rushing yards per game.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're hitting. They're hitting big plays a lot, a lot.

483
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Speaker 2: Because you know, if you look at Henry right now,

484
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Speaker 2: he's averaging six point one yards per carry. Yes, but

485
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Speaker 2: there are some games, including last week, Cincinnati did a

486
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Speaker 2: good job against him.

487
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Speaker 3: Not too bad.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, iank he everags like four point one yards

489
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Speaker 2: of carry.

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Speaker 4: I think he's an unstoppable force. No, I think you

491
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Speaker 4: get great, great player. To your point, if you get

492
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Speaker 4: him before he gets gets rolled. Yeah, you let him,

493
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Speaker 4: You allow him to get into space.

494
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Speaker 2: You're going to be in.

495
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Speaker 4: Trouble, and to your point, you don't want him getting

496
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Speaker 4: into carry fifteen sixteen twenty two.

497
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Speaker 2: Guys start throwing off of the oh.

498
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Speaker 4: Yeah, business decisions are made and serials are better about

499
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Speaker 4: that than other teams though.

500
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Speaker 2: So the opener again, I'm sorry, the opener against Kansas

501
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Speaker 2: City to your point earlier in the show, thirteen for

502
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Speaker 2: forty six.

503
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Speaker 3: But Henry, Yeah, okay.

504
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Speaker 2: The second next week they lost to the They lost

505
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Speaker 2: that game against the Raiders eighteen for eighty four.

506
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Speaker 4: They lost that game, and I think that's when they

507
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: interviewed Harbaugh and they said something along the lines of, oh,

508
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Speaker 4: we don't feature anyone.

509
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Speaker 3: I'm like, what did you have to feature him? If

510
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Speaker 3: you sign?

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah against Dallas twenty five

512
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Speaker 2: for one to fifty one and two touchdowns, dock right

513
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: against Buffalo twenty four for one to ninety nine and

514
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Speaker 2: a touchdown. The second time is run the awful yeah,

515
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Speaker 2: second time around. And remember that Buffalo game. He went

516
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Speaker 2: eighty some yards in the first carry of the game.

517
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Speaker 2: First carry of the game, nobody touched it.

518
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Speaker 3: That's a good stime.

519
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Speaker 2: Nobody expected Derrick Henry to get the ball. Uh, Cincinnati

520
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Speaker 2: fifteen for ninety two in a touchdown. They won that

521
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Speaker 2: game in overtime. That's twice since he did okay against him. Yeah,

522
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Speaker 2: fifteen for ninety two though, still pretty I think i'd

523
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Speaker 2: take that. That's six point one yards of carry. That's

524
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Speaker 2: right on his average.

525
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Speaker 3: Only fifteen is a part of liked.

526
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Speaker 2: Washington twenty four for one thirty two. They won that

527
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Speaker 2: game thirty to twenty three. Tampa Bay was fifteen for

528
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Speaker 2: one sixty nine. He ever, was eleven point three yards

529
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Speaker 2: per carry. They won that game forty one thirty one.

530
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Speaker 2: Cleveland eleven for seventy three, six point six yards of carry,

531
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Speaker 2: but they only gave it to him eleven times in

532
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Speaker 2: a game.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a game one score game. It was like,

534
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Speaker 4: what are you doing on the road in Cleveland? Kind

535
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Speaker 4: of a mutter situation. You would think that would be Henry.

536
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Speaker 2: All day long, last two games.

537
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Speaker 4: Because they weren't having a good time blocking Miles Garrett either, Right,

538
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: why run it Denver?

539
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Speaker 2: Now they won that game forty one to ten because

540
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Speaker 2: Denver's offense didn't do anything. Yeah yeah, yeah, but he

541
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Speaker 2: had twenty three for one oh six, so he are

542
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Speaker 2: just four point six yards of carry. Cincinnati on Thursday

543
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Speaker 2: Night sixteen for sixty eight four point three yards per carry.

544
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Speaker 2: So you can slow him.

545
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, here are the numbers I came up,

546
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Speaker 4: which was just horrible. Of the fifty running backs with

547
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Speaker 4: fifty carries, he's first in rushing yards per game one twelve, first,

548
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Speaker 4: and yards per carry first, and runs that result in

549
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Speaker 4: a first down, third and runs it was in fifteen

550
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 4: or more yards. I mean, that's what was crazy about him.

551
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Speaker 4: He hits home runs in that huge but that's been

552
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Speaker 4: his whole career.

553
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Speaker 3: Fourth in yards.

554
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Speaker 4: After contact per attempt, fourth in yards before contact before attempt.

555
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Speaker 3: It like all the things that matter.

556
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's all of Famer's great Nobody nobody's an

557
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: argument on that.

558
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Speaker 3: Bonkers.

559
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Speaker 2: You thought maybe he would start to slow down a

560
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: little bit now that he's thirty.

561
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Speaker 3: I thought he's slowed down five years ago.

562
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Speaker 2: Maybe that happens next year. We'll see.

563
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Speaker 4: But you can, but you have to be dedicated to him.

564
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Speaker 4: He's not Christian McCaffer would fit anybody, you.

565
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Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

566
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Speaker 4: Yeah, John would fit anybody.

567
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Speaker 2: But certainly in their losses seventy three yards against Cleveland,

568
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Speaker 2: eighty four yards against the Raiders, and forty six yards

569
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Speaker 2: against the Chiefs and even some of the games they've

570
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Speaker 2: struggled in sixty eight yards again in that one point

571
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Speaker 2: win over Cincinnati, I.

572
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Speaker 3: Think we're seeing a direct correlation here.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

574
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Speaker 4: And if it's a chicken or egg thing, too, right,

575
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Speaker 4: he can get you the lead or or does he

576
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Speaker 4: put teams away when you have the lead? You know,

577
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: and the answer is both.

578
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I want to stop him if if i'm

579
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Speaker 2: you know, you can't. You can't allow the Ravens to

580
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Speaker 2: run the ball successfully. You're gonna you're gonna get killed.

581
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Speaker 4: To your point, and as great as Lamar's throwing it now,

582
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Speaker 4: I still want him throwing it as opposed to him

583
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Speaker 4: or Henry carrying the ball.

584
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Speaker 3: Over and over there.

585
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at Lamar's stats running the ball

586
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Speaker 2: in those losses, trying to find him here, Okay, here

587
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Speaker 2: we go. Where's the game by game? Give it to me,

588
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: where's it at? This should be easier than this, All right,

589
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: here we go. So last week against Cincinnati seven for

590
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Speaker 2: thirty three.

591
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Speaker 3: I think he's slowed down rushing.

592
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Speaker 2: They didn't that was they didn't have one hundred Yeah, yeah,

593
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: they didn't get to one hundred. Rushing yards for the

594
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Speaker 2: first time in forever. Yeah, yeah, in like three seasons.

595
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Speaker 2: The week before that against Denver, three carries for four yards.

596
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Speaker 3: That was the real outlier.

597
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Speaker 2: Yeah, eight for forty six, nine for fifty two, eleven.

598
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Speaker 3: For forty three for four.

599
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when the knee was really bothering.

600
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Speaker 3: I know. But I'm also thinking their style of defense.

601
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Speaker 4: They also knew they played Thursday night right right, right, right,

602
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: But they have good edge guys like the Steelers two

603
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Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean that's a very similar stat line, so.

604
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: I'd have to get I want to go back, and

605
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: I didn't watch that game.

606
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Speaker 3: I did, but I don't remember exactly what they did, So.

607
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Speaker 2: I want to. I want to see how Denver played him,

608
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: if they try, if they worked to keep him in

609
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: the pocket Steelers style, yeah, and made him throw the football.

610
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Speaker 3: I assume they did, because.

611
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: They also controlled Henry in that game. Now, they got

612
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Speaker 2: killed because their offense did nothing.

613
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Speaker 3: Yeah they didn't, right right, but one side the ball

614
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 3: held up.

615
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, he had sixteen for one to twenty two

616
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Speaker 2: in the opener against Kansas City, but he also fumbled

617
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: the next week against the Raiders five for forty five.

618
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Speaker 4: I think I take that. Yeah, but that's still chunk runs.

619
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Speaker 4: There's there's some chunk runs there.

620
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Speaker 2: The other thing about Lamar though, when he's running, he's

621
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Speaker 2: I mean he's got.

622
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Speaker 4: Four six five this year. Yes, I think fumbles are

623
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 4: he will put the ball on the ground. Yeah, yeah,

624
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: And I'm sure they're aware of that. Yeah, that's something

625
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 4: something to be concerned with for sure.

626
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Speaker 2: So I want to control Lamar in the running. I

627
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: don't want Lamar running through my secondary No. I mean,

628
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: but his long run this year hits on him thirty three,

629
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Speaker 2: thirty three yards his long run. But I don't want

630
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: him going crazy like he had sixteen carries for one

631
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Speaker 2: twenty two in the opener against the Chiefs.

632
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Speaker 4: His long run was sixteen. I think they've like he

633
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: broke a long reluctant to design runs for him. I mean,

634
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 4: he improvs all the time. Yeah, of course. But if

635
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 4: you go get Henry and I'm the owner and I

636
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 4: want to keep Lamar on the field for as many

637
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: years as I possibly can him and Josh Allen and

638
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: guys that age, I think you have to start worried

639
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: about their long term prognosis.

640
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: With running, No, no doubt about it.

641
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Cam Newton's career should still be going. But yeah,

642
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 4: so I want to make him throw the football now.

643
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: The weapons are better, Yeah, and what he's had, his accuracy,

644
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: his accuracy is better. He's yeah right, But what I

645
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: don't want our guys running free in my secondary because

646
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: I'm stopping the run.

647
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree? What do you do with porter Zay

648
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: Flowers isn't really his receive? I play sides this week.

649
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: I think I might just keep it simple and don't

650
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 4: have any bus and tackle and make them atrically eat

651
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: the ball down the field type of thing.

652
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: You know, if you remember a few years ago, Uh,

653
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: the thing was, Okay, if we're gonna play Lamar, you

654
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: play a lot of zone against him because you got

655
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: to keep eyes on the quarterback. And then Brian Flores

656
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: came along and said, no, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're

657
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: gonna blitz him, and we're gonna play man because he's

658
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: not used to it and he's not good at and

659
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: their receivers weren't good, right, and they go they didn't

660
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: have man beaters.

661
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and their all off season was giving me his

662
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: own beaters because nobody plays a man against us.

663
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: But they've adapted. They've adapted.

664
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's been an interesting ebb and flow though

665
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 4: it's always that that give and take.

666
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: So do you do you?

667
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: And even like spying him, I find interesting too, like

668
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: it's hard to get an angle as a spy that

669
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 4: he you know, he still has blockers, there's still way

670
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: in between and who runs as well with them? You know,

671
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: and do you really want to take Queen out of

672
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: the entire equation? Right, But there is the Queen Baltimore

673
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: familiarity thing too in this game, I think is kind

674
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: of interesting.

675
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the key is to limit

676
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: the damage he does on the ground. He's gonna get

677
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: his passing yards.

678
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: I think it's best offensive league, folks. They're gonna they're

679
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: gonna let they're gonna score, They're gonna score, They're gonna

680
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: get yardage. I mean, I hope he'll get five hundred.

681
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: But if you could keep it in the three hundreds,

682
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: compare comparatively speaking yardage wise, and make them kick some

683
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 4: field goals and tighten up in the red zone like

684
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: you have Okay, you know, maybe cause of fumble.

685
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: That you know, that's I mean, just get bodies to

686
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: the ball. That's that's the big thing. And the Steelers

687
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: have been really good about that. Uh. I'm just looking

688
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: here at some of his splits for this year and yeah, lamar, yeah,

689
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: they the advanced splits. He's strong. That can't be right.

690
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: I guess it's right. This is for the sas.

691
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: He's thrown three passes in the fourth quarter this year.

692
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: That's insanity, is that true?

693
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking here at at uh Pro Football Reference.

694
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: They break it down by quarter.

695
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: They break it down. Oh, that's that's fourth down. I'm sorry,

696
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. I'm looking at downs there. That can't be right. Yeah, okay,

697
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Well it's not. He's fifty one of eighty

698
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, so sixty three point seven percent

699
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: completion percentage as opposed to eighty three percent in the

700
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: first quarter.

701
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: I think they're a good script early lead.

702
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they script it up and in every quarter after that.

703
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: So it's eighty got to stand that first half. You

704
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 4: gotta weather the storm. Yeah, yeah, eighty three. He hasn't,

705
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: but he hasn't thrown a touchdown pass. Now they're they're

706
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: running a ball in the b loot second quarter, seventy

707
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: three for one oh seven. Uh, that's sixty eight point

708
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 4: two percent, eleven touchdown passes in the second quarter of games.

709
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: None in the first quarter, eleven in the second, the

710
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 4: second half, third quarter sixty seven point three percent completion percentage,

711
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 4: and end sixty three point seven in the in the

712
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: fourth quarter. So not been as good in the in

713
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 4: the second half.

714
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: Hang around, I mean again, they.

715
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: Gotta you gotta stick with them. You gotta hang with them.

716
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: He and the Ravens as a whole or notorious fast starters. Yeah,

717
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: I mean, so that's common, you know, but place is

718
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: gonna be rocking. You're should be pretty fresh, you know,

719
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you should be able to handle that.

720
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, is that kind of stand So

721
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: when they huddle, he completes seventy point nine percent of

722
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: his passes when they go to a no huddle, he's

723
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: nine of twenty.

724
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: Okay, now they haven't so't they don't. They don't run

725
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: no huddle very often.

726
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: They don't run no huddle very much. So you're not

727
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: gonna get much tempo. But if you can force him

728
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: into some of their situations.

729
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: There's when I'm bludging you and eat cloth and bludging

730
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 4: you eat claw. You know, if you and They're not

731
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: gonna be shocked by anything.

732
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: If you can keep him in the pocket two point

733
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: five plus seves in the pocket fifty eight point six

734
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage.

735
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the key.

736
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in keep him in there may make

737
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: him start moving around and not be able to get

738
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: don't give them the escape lanes.

739
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, Daniels was getting it out in two point five

740
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 4: to five on average, or two point five four whatever.

741
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: Teams are throwing the ball quick.

742
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, so.

743
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: You might have to be a little more aggressive with

744
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: more man coverage, you know, trying to take away the

745
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: quick stuff a little bit more. He's be hard to

746
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: get to. But these aren't unusual problems for the Steelers.

747
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 4: I mean, every one's attacking them sort of the same way.

748
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: The thing that I don't want is our quick passes

749
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: to a Flowers.

750
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: He's really good after catch.

751
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: He's really good after the catch.

752
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: He is his numbers after the catcher dynamite too.

753
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you can do that, limit the run game.

754
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot here. Oh, there's a lot here.

755
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 4: I mean we're not even talking about Bateman and uh,

756
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: the other tight ends I mean are all capable, you know,

757
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: what I mean.

758
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: What I don't want, though, is give up a play

759
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: over the top to those guys mhm and make it

760
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: easy for I don't want to agalar right down the

761
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: field with nobody on him. I don't want Bateman running

762
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: down the field.

763
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: Who was on that the long one last time or

764
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: last week? It was a no name receiver. I forget

765
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: his name, but Wallace.

766
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tylon Wallace. Like, I don't want those guys. Those

767
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: dudes beat you, right, I want to make him beat

768
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 2: me with his best guys, but I want to have

769
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: a lot of attention on the best guys.

770
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: I'd like to see him hold the ball in the

771
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: pocket a little longer too. Yeah, Actually get home and

772
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: get hits on him, whether it's late or you know,

773
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: as he's throwing things like that.

774
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: Get to get bodies on him. Yeah, I mean he's

775
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: he lost he lost weight again this year after playing

776
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: last year up heavier. We'll see. I don't know, you

777
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: know if you if?

778
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a handful. There's just no way around it.

779
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: Their offense in general is so many ways they can

780
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: attack you, and they're humming. And it's year two in

781
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: the system. They're starting to get it the old line

782
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: is probably it's still the weakness. Yeah, but it's not

783
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: horrendous anymore, you know what I mean.

784
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: I think it's the right side of that line's pretty horrendous.

785
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: He's also taking the left guard versus Cam is a problem.

786
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: That's a problem. I mean, it's a problem, you know.

787
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: And I like Rose and Rose and Garden against against

788
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: watch Watt is a complete wipeout.

789
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 4: And we've said this almost every week, but the Steelers

790
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: front has an advantage over every line in the league. Yeah,

791
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 4: he may not against Penny sul but he definitely does

792
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 4: against Rosen Garden and the Steelers as a whole have

793
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: a big advantage against their line. But it's not as

794
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 4: hideous as it was to start the season.

795
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: Do you think they have to keep They either have

796
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: to have Racard in the backfield as an extra blocker

797
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: to help out.

798
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: On what I think that's why they use Coler so

799
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 3: much too.

800
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: That's like Coler is going to be on the field

801
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: constantly or both.

802
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not afraid to use both.

803
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: And but that's taking then you only have three really guys, right,

804
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: and Henry's got a target shair at like four percent.

805
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: He's got ten catches all season.

806
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't throw them ball. I mean, he has

807
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: two receiving touchdowns somehow, but.

808
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: I know one of them was against my fantasy team.

809
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 4: Okay, probably typical dump it to him. Someone missed the

810
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: tackles the game. Yeah, the freight train down because you

811
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 4: they had to do that.

812
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: But yeah, so.

813
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 4: They'll also use a sixth offensive lineman a pretty high

814
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 4: percentage of the time too.

815
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they bring in big body.

816
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: But they're going to have issues blocking the Steelers front.

817
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,479
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, without question. But I would think

818
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: back to our original conversation, you'll have more base three

819
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: four than you will Nickel and Dime comparatively speaking.

820
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with that.

821
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: No, I'm cool with that too.

822
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: I mean, if you just want to slug it out

823
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: to fifty, let's go give your best chance.

824
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: You get a land of Roberts on the field and

825
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: let him right down hill.

826
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: Okay, exactly.

827
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: See some big boy hits with him and Derrick Henry.

828
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, There's will be some serious collisions. Yeah, but that plays,

829
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: that's how you want to play.

830
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also doesn't hurt that you've got a

831
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: couple of guys on your defense. Who are former Ravens.

832
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: I was thinking of that too.

833
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 4: I mean there's a familiarity and how they they want

834
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: to play, and you know.

835
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 2: They practiced against Lamar on a regular basis. They've seen

836
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: what this guy can do. That's that's one of them things.

837
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Walckering with him.

838
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: Like all human beings, I'm sure he's complained about one

839
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: thing or another he doesn't like or you know.

840
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: One of the one of the reasons why the Ravens

841
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: are so good against the NFC with Lamar is these

842
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: teams that don't play him a lot, I think underestimate

843
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 2: just how fast and elusive he.

844
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: Is, and you know, how explosive and.

845
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: It's change how quick he can get it out.

846
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 4: And everyone watches tape on him, of course, but it's

847
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 4: different being on the field on.

848
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 2: You don't have anybody that can replicate that in practice. Now,

849
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: like Mike Tomlin was asked today, can you can you

850
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: use justin fields to to replicate Lamar at all?

851
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: Now?

852
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will, yeah, yeah, but even justin fields

853
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: is not the same.

854
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: It's different.

855
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: I mean, fields might be as fast in a straight line,

856
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: but they're different types of athletes. Yeah, you know, just

857
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 4: and the thing about Lamar that's crazy. He has such

858
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: good vision. He rarely takes the big hit. Yeah, you know,

859
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,399
Speaker 4: like Daniels takes a lot of big hits, at least

860
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: at this much younger. But Lamar is so great at

861
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 4: stop star shift you know. Skinny, Yeah, get skinny. Why

862
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: he's wiry strong, you know, for as thin as he is,

863
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: he's not weak, and he's the hits coming. Yeah, it's

864
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 4: like he has eyes in the back of his head sometimes. Yes,

865
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: he knows when to get down, the perper vision, all

866
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 4: that stuff. So he's a special athlete. Yeah, everyone knows.

867
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: But now he's really turned into a quarterback. Yeah's gonna

868
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: be a fascinating game. We'll continue to talk about this

869
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: this week obviously for a lot no, but it's Ravens week. Yeah,

870
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

871
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on

872
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 4: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back with

873
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

875
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

876
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

877
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: Welcome back, to the drive. I am Dale LOLLI. He

878
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and Matt you know, you're starting

879
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: to see more and more momentum towards Mike Tomlin actually

880
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: winning Coach of the Year this year. So a lot

881
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: of a lot of time left you.

882
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some other good candidates too.

883
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody brought up today in the comments. Maybe it

884
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: was yesterday. I can't remember. They all run together at

885
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: this point. But I was looking through the comments on

886
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: on our YouTube channel, which I do, and you want

887
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 2: to leave a comment or ask a question, go for

888
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: it on there. I go through there every day, often

889
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: multiple times. About Mike Tomlin's coaching tree. This is why

890
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a coaching tree. Well, coaching trees are funny.

891
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: So here's the thing, So, Brian Flores, if he gets

892
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: another head coaching job in the NFL, that won't count

893
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: as part of being part of Mike Tomlin's coaching tree.

894
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: It'll be Kevin O'Connell's coaching tree, Okay, because that's where

895
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: it was, because that's where he was last. Yeah, you know, like, but.

896
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 4: Even those fields gave him a chance when a lot

897
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: of teams thought they were kind of getting ball.

898
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 2: And there'll be people who they were more than willing

899
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: to get to. He was a Belichick disciples. They'll keep

900
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: him in a Chicks coaching tree, but won't give Tomlin

901
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: any credit for that. For Raheem most Morris should be

902
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: part of Mike Tomlin's coaching tree. Why where are they

903
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: at together in Tampa?

904
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really good.

905
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: Mike was Mike was the defensive backs coach, and Raheem

906
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: was his assistant defensive backs coach for like three years

907
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 2: when he when he first broke into the league, Mike

908
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: Tomlin was his direct superior. That should counts as being

909
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: part of his coaching tree.

910
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: Trees are definitely weird, you know, like.

911
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you? It's like all on

912
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: how you want to parse things and look at it.

913
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 4: Another thing that hurts him in terms of that coaching

914
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 4: tree stuff is it's a really good job to stay

915
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: with Pittsburgh. Do you really want to move on if

916
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 4: you're like I get to work for this coach and

917
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 4: not be worked. It's not like Carolina where we're all

918
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 4: get fired every six months, you know. I mean, so

919
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 4: some stability I think adds into that.

920
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to give it say that Bruce Arians, for example,

921
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: was part of the coaching tree. Well that's who he

922
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: had just worked for for a long time.

923
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: And it was his office board.

924
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: Right, you got them right, and people went well, But

925
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: he took him over from Tolland. Yeah, but Mike elevated

926
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: him to offensive coordinator. Here's a wide receivers coach to

927
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: under under a Cower.

928
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: The thing that you can't ever put a finger on too, though,

929
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: is Tomlin knows so many coaches well, and it's so

930
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 4: respected in the coaching community, and he's on the He's

931
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 4: helped so many people with their careers that we don't

932
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 4: know about. Like I'm sure he called Atlanta and to

933
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 4: talk about Raheem or you know what I mean. Things

934
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: like that that are never going to be public knowledge.

935
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 4: But that happens all the time.

936
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: The other thing about it, and everybody's as well. You know,

937
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 2: the Rams have, you know, have this great coaching tree.

938
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: They got twenty eight assistant coaches.

939
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: Well that's true too.

940
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Steelers have like fifteen niners at a time too, you know. Yeah,

941
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: if you have a whole bunch of assistant coaches on

942
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 2: your on your roster, yeah, people are going, well, let's

943
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 2: go pick this guy out. He's been in the league

944
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: for a couple of years. And the Steelers also, Tomlin

945
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: in particular, also has hired a lot of older assistant coaches.

946
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: I would saying there's not a lot of the younger

947
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: guys either.

948
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, now he's got more younger guys, but when he

949
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: was a younger coach himself, a lot of his assistant

950
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: coaches were guys, as he selects to say, been there,

951
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: done that kind of guys, guys who have been in

952
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 2: the league for twenty five years, like they weren't gonna

953
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: be hot.

954
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: The exactly what that's kind of going with, too, is

955
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: the obvious coaching higher trend right or wrong. There's been

956
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 4: some hits and a lot of misses. Get the young

957
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: offensive guy, you know, from an offensive staff. You know,

958
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 4: give me Shanahan's right hand man, someone that ate lunch

959
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: with McVeigh, you know. I mean, like that's what everybody wants. Well,

960
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 4: you're not gonna get that from the Steelers. I mean,

961
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: he's not an offensive minded guy. I mean it's like

962
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 4: the Ravens too, I mean, like they have some a

963
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: lot of defensive guys have gone on, but is their

964
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: offensive coordinators become head coaches that I recall. I mean

965
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: maybe this one will, I don't know. Yeah, so if

966
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: they want him from offensive minded head coaches, yeah, you

967
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 4: know that, and just do.

968
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: What he did well.

969
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: I mean even look at like Hardball was Andy Reid's

970
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: special teams coordinator. Well, nobody's gonna hire Danny Smith.

971
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: No be a head coach.

972
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: He's seventy, you know, but he's a really good coach.

973
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: But he's a really good coach.

974
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 4: And I'm sure he doesn't want to leave, and he

975
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 4: has great job security here. And you know, could he

976
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: have got a head job at Pitt or something like

977
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: that too. I'm sure he'd be a great recruiter, you know,

978
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. But why quit what you're

979
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: doing when you have great job security.

980
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: I was just like Scotty Montgomery was the Steelers wide

981
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: receivers coach. Tomlin picked him out of college football, gave

982
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: him his first NFL job. Yeah yeah, he then went

983
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: back to college football, went back to Duke as the

984
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: head coach for a while. Now he's the assistant head

985
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: coach for the Detroit Lions.

986
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's very much on Thomas Tree.

987
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: He'll yeah, at some point he probably gets I'm.

988
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: Gonna say if the day becomes a head guy or whatever, right.

989
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: But nobody will say, oh he No, They'll they'll give

990
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell the credit. That's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah,

991
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: it's not like he's a Dan Campbell guy. Well, no,

992
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: it's calm and brought him up out of college football.

993
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: The reality is, these guys have such crazy pass from

994
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 4: the day they start coaching to the day they become

995
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: an NFL head coach. They shouldn't just belong to one right, Oh,

996
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 4: he's just a Walsh guy, you know, Like, well, yeah,

997
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: but he also worked for Landry and Nolan you know whatever.

998
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: You know, Like it's it's such a crazy path.

999
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, these guys the different these guys are

1000
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: all intermarried or however you want to say it. I mean, yeah,

1001
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: there's not you can you can find guys that have

1002
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: worked for twelve different you know, oh coaches, like who

1003
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: are you giving credit to?

1004
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: And the coaches will tell you. I mean one of

1005
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: the best things for their long term job is getting fired,

1006
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: because everybody gets fired, and everybody gets fired been there,

1007
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, but think about it. I mean,

1008
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 4: like a defensive back coach who's young and up and

1009
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: coming but promising. He's not the reason that the Panthers

1010
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: are the worst team in the league. But he spent

1011
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: countless hours with all those coaches, but especially the defensive ones.

1012
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: Let's say there's ten other defensive guys. Yeah, and they're

1013
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: in there in the dark room watching film all the time,

1014
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 4: they're talking about football.

1015
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: They all get jobs after they've bat beauty of it.

1016
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: They all get fired. Some of them go back to college.

1017
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: Some of them gets a defensive coordinator job, and they say,

1018
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 4: hire Johnny. You know, so now you have a Now

1019
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: you're in twelve more rooms or twelve more buildings, you

1020
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 4: know that you have an end. I mean Mike Tomlin

1021
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: and Dan Quinn work together at v M. I yeah, right, Like,

1022
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 4: of course, you know, it's a small they all know

1023
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: each other.

1024
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: That's that's the thing. That's they all know each other enough.

1025
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: That to me is why the whole coaching tree thing

1026
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: is a little bit overrated.

1027
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1028
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: I tend to agree, Like, I don't even hold it

1029
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: against Belichick that a lot of his guys are bad.

1030
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: He has an extensive coaching tree, but the limbs are

1031
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: we are all terrible.

1032
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, let's do it exactly like Bill, Well, you're

1033
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 4: not Bill, You're not Bill.

1034
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1035
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so I don't know, I get it.

1036
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 4: You know, like Walsh has a gray tree because he

1037
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: invented an offense, you know, and he was a tremendous

1038
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 4: coach too. You know, I just want a West Coast guy.

1039
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's a little luck of I mean, Marty Schottenheimer

1040
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: has a tree that's as good as anybody's. But he

1041
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: didn't win. Yeah, but he had He has a great

1042
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: coaching tree, and a lot of his guys who worked

1043
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: for him won Super Bowls, including Bill Kauer.

1044
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but you.

1045
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: Know, he couldn't win the big one. So he's not

1046
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, which is.

1047
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: A crime that he's on.

1048
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable, right, Never like he won everywhere he went.

1049
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 4: Of coaches that I truly remember, him and Mike Shanahan

1050
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: or the two I think should be it.

1051
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's up there. I think they're both on the

1052
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: on the list this year? Are they on the profile

1053
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: because they got there's like five coaches on there. Okay,

1054
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: so it's I mean, at some point it's going to

1055
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: happen for him. But I mean, he can't win that

1056
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: many games.

1057
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: But I'm sure whoever presents him, we'll bring up his tree,

1058
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: but I'd rather talk about his wins and losses.

1059
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. Yeah, game day, you know, and

1060
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: it's a bounce here or there. I mean, if Ernest

1061
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: Byner doesn't fumble or you know the.

1062
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: Other thing that we don't have enough time for this.

1063
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: But the short way to end this, to me, though,

1064
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 4: is in the right now. Coaching is so bad. I mean,

1065
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: it's part of the reason that there's ten horrendous teams

1066
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: is we'll just take this offensive mind that has no

1067
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: idea how to run an organization, Like what are the

1068
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: Tennessee Titans worth? I'm not even picking on them? Six billion?

1069
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: And you're going to hire this guy for five million

1070
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: to be in It's never done anything, you know what

1071
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: I mean?

1072
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: Like would Apple do that? Oh, you're in charge of Apple.

1073
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: You know you've never done anything.

1074
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: You didn't even you know, you've worked in computers, but

1075
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: you sold them and you seem like.

1076
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 3: A pretty good guy. And we had a day long interview.

1077
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: You sold computers at radio shock. How'd you like that? Right?

1078
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: Right?

1079
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: You're now the CEO of Apple. You know, like these

1080
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: organizations are worth billions. It's a little different, right, you know,

1081
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: to make you logan Roy.

1082
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: That's reference by you.

1083
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: We're going to get to another break that's going to

1084
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: do it for our number one of the drive here

1085
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: or like as kids. Yeah, Matt and I are going

1086
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: to be bad with our number two of the drive

1087
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 4: right after this.