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Speaker 2: Elon Musk speaking with Michel Hussein, Editor at Large for

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Speaker 2: We're joined right now by the very same Michelle Hussein.

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Speaker 2: Michelle Yeoman's duty interviewing Elon Musk. They're not the easiest

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Speaker 2: subject to converse with. What's your takeaway as to I

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Speaker 2: guess his kind of evolution back into corporate world away

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Speaker 2: be a smooth transition? Is that going to be an

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Speaker 2: immediate transition? What was your takeaway?

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Speaker 3: Hello Paul, Hello Alex to from the Yeah, it's definitely

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Speaker 3: quite an experience to interview Elon Musk, and for all

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Speaker 3: your listeners, as anyone who saw it on Bloomberg TV

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Speaker 3: a remote conversation. So I'm in Doha, he's in the US,

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Speaker 3: but actually it's you know, it's probably a pretty intense

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Speaker 3: in fact, even though DOGE doesn't last for the whole

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Speaker 3: he was kind of keen to characterize it as like,

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Speaker 3: But I feel, especially with the fact that he ended

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Speaker 3: I wonder of this, if if these political endeavors have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do have to give you a lot of credit.

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Speaker 4: That was a tough interview. Anything remote like that in

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Speaker 4: You flawlessly picked up all those questions. So I just

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Speaker 4: have to give real kudos to you on that. And

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Speaker 4: you pushed him quite a bit on the in the

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Speaker 3: you can see that it's important on you know, on

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Speaker 4: Hi, Michelle, we got to leave it there. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much, really great stuff, Michelle Hussein. Thanks for doing

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Speaker 4: Earnings so home Depot coming out that stock up four

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Speaker 4: Deferring large projects taking on small projects doesn't sound so bad.

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Speaker 5: So one of the reasons why home improvement and hope

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Speaker 5: So we think home Depots pretty well positioned from a

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Speaker 2: John Creekmore joins us. He's chief investment Rofster Creekmore Wealth Advisors.

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Speaker 2: John my notes, say you're from Morton, Illinois. Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Morton, Illinois, the self brooklamed pumpkin capital of the world.

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Speaker 7: The salt mines.

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Speaker 4: So what are some of the companies that you like?

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Speaker 4: Top pick to it?

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Speaker 6: Top pick right now is I love Lotos phenomenal company.

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Speaker 2: All right, John, thank you so much, Really appreciate John

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Speaker 2: Check it out, folks just outside of Peoria. Again, it

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Speaker 4: So the big take today is one that terrified me,

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Speaker 8: What it means is the FDA.

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Speaker 7: its safety is not known, and that kind of gives

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Speaker 7: for the lay person at least with that disclaimer, that

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Speaker 7: would give you a good idea at the top.

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Speaker 4: So what happened then?

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Speaker 8: I think that's a good question.

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Speaker 7: So the FDA is they have a system where they're

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Speaker 7: Here's how the dosing what it should be, Here's how

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Speaker 7: it should be manufactured. They have not done that for

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Speaker 7: Finaeso piaritan. So it's possible that, you know, with this

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Speaker 7: There's you know, they asked in two thousand and three

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Speaker 7: whether this drug should actually be prescription only, just given

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Speaker 7: the risks and that people don't often follow directions on

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Speaker 7: OTC drugs. You know, you're only supposed to take this

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Speaker 7: for two days, and you're not supposed to take it

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Speaker 7: all the time. There are companies, particularly online retailers, that

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Speaker 7: of just to have on hand all the time just

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Speaker 7: in case.

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Speaker 4: And I do so, yeah, why not? Right like you

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Speaker 4: get over the counter, you have it there. You're not

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Speaker 4: going to use the whole thing. That's why it was

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Speaker 4: so scary, and we really appreciate it. It was a

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Speaker 4: great piece everyone. You can read the Big Take story

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Speaker 4: possible cancer and health risks, lurking and a popular OTC drug.

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Speaker 4: You can check it out on Bloomberg dot com slash

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Speaker 4: Big Take. You can also check it out on the Terminal. Anna,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for writing this. Anna Atney, Bloomberg

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Speaker 4: National healthcare Reporter.

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