1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Let me understand this eighteen 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: sex trafficking victim is ordered to pay one hundred and 3 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to the rapist she stabbed dead. Let 4 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: me just say that one more time. A teen girl 5 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: is a rape victim, a victim of sex trafficking, and 6 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: she's been ordered by a court to pay a hundred 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: and fifty grand to the alleged rapist that raped her 8 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: family after she stabbed him. Wait, Jackie, don't have that right. Okay, 9 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: I've got it right. It's not me, it's the judge. 10 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: I Meanancy Grace. This his Crime Stories. Thank you for 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in series XM 12 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: one eleven. That sounds pretty bass ackwards to me. I 13 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: got an all star panel makes sense of what this 14 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: judge did in his wisdom. But first take a listen 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: to our friends at WOA five Des Moines, OH. A 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: fifteen year old female has been charged with murder after 17 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: a body was found in a De Moine apartment on Monday. 18 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Please responded to investigate a possible suicide in Evergreen Avenue, 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: but then, after looking at the body of thirty seven 20 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: year old Zachary Brooks. They determined the manner of death 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: did not appear to be that of a suicide. The 22 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: fifteen year old female to Win resident has been arrested 23 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: and charged with murder in the first degree. This case 24 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: is still under investigation. Okay, look, I don't know all 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the facts yet, but just at first blush. If somebody 26 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: handed me this file, my first question would be what 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: is a nearly forty year old man doing in an 28 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: apartment with a fifteen year old girl without her parents 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: or guardians knowing she's there? What could possibly be going on? 30 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Let's see, was he engaging her in polite conversation? Was 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: testing her nods on science or art or the theater? 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: What do you think was going on with a thirty 33 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: seven year old man and a fifteen year old girl? Again, 34 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: I Mancy Grace, and this is Crime Stories. Thanks for 35 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: being with us. I won't even hear one more thing 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: before we really get started. Take a listen to our 37 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: friends at NBC. A teenager, the alleged victim of unspeakable 38 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: crimes of human trafficking and rape after fatally stabbing her 39 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: alleged rapist, will stay out of prison, but a court 40 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: ruling Piper Lewis must pay one hundred and fifty thousand 41 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: dollars to the family of the man who raped her. 42 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: Even said took place on the horrific day cannot be 43 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: changed as much as I wish they could. And more 44 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: from NBC listen. She says he raped her multiple times 45 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: in the weeks before his death. Yea, I wish the 46 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: event said to the place on June twenty never occurred, 47 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: But say there's only one victim to the story, it's absurd. 48 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: Her charge is punishable by up to ten years each 49 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: in prison. I'm having a hard time trying to understand 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: why this teen girl fifteen at the time, is being 51 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: forced to pay a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars 52 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: to the family of her rapist that she killed. Joining 53 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: me an all star panels I mentioned before, But first 54 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to go to Philip Jones, breaking news reporter 55 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: in des Moine. You can find him at des Moines 56 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: registered dot com. Philip. That doesn't sound right, And you 57 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: know I've got to saying every time I would train 58 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: a new trial lawyer, or work with a new investigator 59 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: or anybody in the media, if it doesn't feel right, 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: it's probably not right. And we are, as prosecutors, are 61 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: not paid to do the popular thing or the easy thing. 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: We were paid to do the right thing. What happened, 63 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: Philip Jones. So let's back up to the night at 64 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: May thirty first, Okay, thirty one, gotcha. So, for people 65 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: who don't know, De Moine is a city of about 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve thousand people, it's i was biggest city. 67 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: And that was a night that the city. It was 68 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: the second or third straight night the city was undergoing 69 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: some pretty tumultuous protests protesting George Floyd's death. And so 70 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: in the background of that, this teenage girl was being 71 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: trafficked by a twenty eight year old man who she 72 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: had started living with, Christop for Brown. Our publication is 73 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: not naming him because he has not been charged with 74 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: a crime. Okay, but you didn't say no. Okay, go ahead. 75 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: I cannot use his name because our publication is not. 76 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: But so this twenty eight year old man, he was 77 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: a very small time musician. Piper had run away from 78 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: home three times between January and March of twenty twenty, 79 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: from her home with her parents or a foster home. 80 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: Her home with her parents. She was adopted on a 81 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: foster carrit Age three, but Piper claimed that her mother 82 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: was very verbally abusive. I'm with you so far. She 83 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: ran away, and then what happened? She ran away, She 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: fell into this up and complex. She lived with a 85 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: with a person who was a sister of her classmates, 86 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: had a disagreements, basically moved out a minute a minute, 87 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: so far, I agree with everything you're saying. Phil Jones 88 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: joining from the Des Moines Register, But I just want 89 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: to wait just a moment. This girl has just turned fifteen. 90 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: She ran away from home. She was in a home 91 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: she'd been placed in, out of foster care. Doctor Carolyn 92 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: West joining me, Professor Clinical Psychology, University Washington, Tacoma, Award 93 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: winning author That's not Easy of violence in the lives 94 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: of Black women, bartered Black and Blue. Just think about it. 95 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: She's also a filmmaker. Let me tell you all about 96 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: black chicks, images of black women in pornography, Doctor Caroline 97 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: West dot com. I want you to take a listen 98 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: to our friends at NBC News listen. Officials say she 99 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: was a runaway seeking to escape an abusive foster home. 100 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Piper setting court that a man took her in before 101 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: forcibly trafficking her to other men for sex. She testified 102 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: that one of those men was Brooks, who repeatedly raped 103 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: her at knife point. Police and prosecutors have not disputed 104 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: Lewis was assaulted in trafficked, but they have argued that 105 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: Brooks was asleep at the time he was stabbed and 106 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: not an immediate threat. Okay, so let me understand this 107 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: hold on, doctor Caroline West. Philip Jones at DesMoines Register 108 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Cops are not disagreeing that the teen girl 109 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Piper was assaulted and sex trafficked. They're just saying Brooks 110 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: was asleep at the time he was stabbed. Do I 111 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: have that right? Right? You know what you just did 112 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: something no lawyer I have ever met has been able 113 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: to do. You should consider law school if you weren't 114 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: such a great investigative reporter. You answered in one word, 115 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: I've never ever in my life seeing a lawyer do that. Okay, 116 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: back to you, Doctor Caroline West, joining US Professor clinical Psychology, 117 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: University of Washington, Dacoma, author, filmmaker. Her resume is her 118 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: CV is two pages long. Doctor West. We've got a 119 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: teen girl who ran away from foster care. She then 120 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: goes to a friend of her sisters, They have an argument, 121 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: she runs away. Are you surprised she fell in with 122 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: a trafficker? Why does nobody believe sex trafficking of young 123 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: girls is happening right under our noses? Well, she had 124 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: all the vulnerability. She was coming from a difficult home background. 125 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: She ran away to escape that. She was facing homelessness, poverty, 126 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: she had no place to stay. So perpetrators pick up 127 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: on those vulnerabilities, they do, doctor, they do. They pick 128 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: out particular victims. You think they're gonna pick on the 129 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: rich kid whose parents went to Harvard and they're going 130 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: to a private high school. No, because those kids would 131 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: know what to do, or some of them would. Anyway, 132 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: it's somebody vulnerable that doesn't have anywhere to go, it 133 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: has no support, that's afraid, that's kind of out there 134 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: without a home. That's who they target, doctor West. So 135 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: she was vulnerable, and she had all the things that 136 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: we see with neural biology of trauma where she's just fighting. Okay, say, 137 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: we don't know what you just said, So you're gonna 138 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: have to break that down for us people that are 139 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: just regular old jds. What did you say, nero by 140 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: what the neural biology of trauma she was in. She 141 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: was a traumatized child in a very vulnerable situation. So 142 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: even though this guy appeared to be sleeping, she was 143 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: definitely fearful, and she used violence really in what she 144 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: perceived probably to be self defend. Yeah, who wants to 145 00:09:50,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: be raped by a stranger? One more time? Time stories 146 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: with Nancy Greece. Guys, we're trying to make sense of 147 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: what we know right now. But I've just been joined 148 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: by Kathleen Murphy, family attorney. She deals with domestic law, 149 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: or is its euphemistically recalled family law. Kathleen Murphy, this 150 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 1: girl the cops. I'm just gonna take it as a 151 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: given because the cops agree this teen girl fifteen has 152 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: already been raped in sex traffic? How many men has 153 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: she been forced to sleep with? At age fifteen? I remember, Okay, 154 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: don't life, Kathleen. Because I think I was either thirteen 155 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: or fourteen. My front store neighbor Joy told me what 156 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: a period and what sex was. I'm like, no way. 157 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: I joked on my bike and rode off. I'm either 158 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen. I knew nothing. I thought it was 159 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: a joke. I thought it was hilarious, or actually I 160 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: thought it was kind of freaky and creepy. That's what 161 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: I thought, and took off on my bike. I remember 162 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: the moment clearly. We were right in the middle of 163 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: Bevin Drive and here's this girl. It's fifteen and she's 164 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: already been sex traffic and what that means is rape 165 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: at age fifteen. Every time she's pimped out, she's being raped. Yeah, 166 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I'd stab whoever to get out of that apartment. Amen, Nancy, Amen. 167 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: And I see children all the time in the court 168 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: systems and my heart just breaks for them because they're 169 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: facing these adult issues that they are just not competent 170 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: to be able to handle. And then on top of 171 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: that the trauma, the poverty, you're being sexually assaulted. I 172 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: would ask, why wouldn't she do it when he was asleep? Bravo, bravo, bravo. Yeah, 173 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you and I aren't going to win 174 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: any awards for agreeing with the so called murderer. Hey 175 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: join me right now. In addition to Kathleen Murphy, Philip Jones, 176 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: and doctor Carolyn west Is, just Scott Morgan, forensics expert, 177 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: and Greg Sheffer. Now listen to Sheffer, former Phoenix Police 178 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: Department detective twenty two years specialty child sexploitation in crimes 179 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: on children. He is investigator with Hope for Justice, which 180 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: is an international human trafficking organization. Wow, let's just say 181 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: that at the get go. But Greg Sheffer, Okay, can 182 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: we just talk about even if what police are saying 183 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: is true that she stabbed her rapist in his sleep, 184 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: and they are saying that she was raped and trafficked, 185 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: they are giving me that's a given. We don't have 186 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: to say, well, that's what she says, that's what the 187 00:12:53,840 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: cops say, the ones that charged her with homicide. Did 188 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: you tell the people that are listening and watching right 189 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: now what happens to teen girls when they are sex trafficked, 190 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: the life that they lead up to twenty to thirty 191 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: sex partners. And I'm saying that in quoties a day. 192 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: Moving from well, there's not a nice way to put 193 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: it that the FCC wouldn't like very much. Let's just say, 194 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: flop house to flop house, man after man after man, 195 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex, you name it, fifteen 196 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: years old and then the pimp very often will get 197 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: them on drugs until they're this big, you know, eighty 198 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: nine pounds, and they finally just die or kill them. 199 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: You tell it. Well, basically, these girls, they are not 200 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: even not just girls, but boys and girls. They live 201 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: with that trauma obviously for the rest of their life. 202 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: So anybody that deals with trauma knows that it affects 203 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: every aspect of their life. So from that point forward, 204 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: whatever trauma they have, if it's not processed properly or 205 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: dealt with ree therapy or a process, you know, it's 206 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: like a ticking time bomb where one day it all 207 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: comes to a head and it ruined. It can ruin 208 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: a life, obviously, the trauma does. And this type of 209 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: sex trafficking it knows no colors, it knows no races, 210 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: it knows no class system. It goes across the board. 211 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: You know, I've seen really rich girls get pulled into 212 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: sex trafficking. And then when girls that are doing survival 213 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: sex and they get pulled into sex trafficking, what's survival sex. 214 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that. That's basically your runaways, that 215 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: they're out there on the street. You know, I don't 216 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: know what the current statistics are, but usually within three 217 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: days they say that someone on the street is going 218 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: to resort to a survival sex mode just to survive, 219 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: and so a runaway out on the street doing that, 220 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: they're going to get pulled into that type of lifestyle. 221 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: And sex traffickers are very good at identifying vulnerable girls 222 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: and boys, and whether they're rich or poor, they can 223 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: identify a weakness or a vulnerability in that girl, exploit 224 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: it and pull them into into the sex trafficking lifestyle. 225 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of Greg Shefferd joining us from Hope for Justice 226 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: International human tracking organization, Greg, just give me a day 227 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: in the life of a teen girl sex trafficking victim. Well, 228 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: the girls I spoke to you know, like I said, 229 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: they come from all walks of life, and you have 230 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: different sex traffickers out there. You have ones that try 231 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: to seduce them and play the boyfriend role, and then 232 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: you have the very violent ones that force them into 233 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: the life. And so once they're in the life, generally, 234 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: if they're working like on the street, they're going to 235 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: be required to work on the street. They're going to 236 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: require to get a certain amount of money day. And 237 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: in my background, most of the girls had to make 238 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: a thousand dollars a day and they couldn't come back 239 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: until they did. They worked three hundred and sixty five 240 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: days a year. There's no you know, you don't get 241 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: any breaks. And if they're lucky, they get a decent 242 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: place to stay, but generally they just use the customers 243 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: to stay in hotel rooms where they're doing work. They'll 244 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: just take the room from the customer or the john's 245 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: and that's their life, and that's a day to day thing, 246 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: and they never see any of that money. It goes 247 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: to the traffickers. And then you know, down the road, 248 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: they might end up having a child there and then 249 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: that child gets held sort of ransom against them, or 250 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: it gets placed into family and they never even get 251 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: to see their children. So the subculture of prostitution and 252 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: sex craft trafficking, it's it's a it's a fascinating thing 253 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: to study, but it's a horrible life. And when you 254 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: talk to them, the trauma, the pain that you see 255 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: is enormous. And again that's why I do this job now, 256 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: because I want to try to help those victims. That's 257 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: why I gravitated that as a cop. I will never 258 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: forget Greg the first sex trafficking case I prosecuted, the 259 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: girl was thirteen, and we worked so hard to put 260 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: this case together. And I worked a street for Oh 261 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: My Stars over a month along with some vice cops 262 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: to try and find a girl because the girl vanished. 263 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: And I remember one day I was in what I 264 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: was in the courthouse, and I got a call it 265 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: we think we think we spotted her. Go out. It 266 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: was freezing cold. I jumped in a county car, which 267 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: of course you can spot a mile away. It's a 268 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: big like a Continental, something like that old county issue. Anyway, 269 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: we get over there. I go in the room where 270 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: she's about to turn fourteen. Girl was I went in 271 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: or a bunch of women in there, like you're saying, 272 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: they're all in one hotel room. I looked around, I 273 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: come and out, she's not a girl in there, and 274 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: they went, yes, she's a one in the white stack boots. 275 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, went back in there and looked at her. 276 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: By the time we got the weave off her head 277 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: and all the nooke up and the push up bra 278 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: and put her in regular clothes, she was like a 279 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 1: twelve year old girl the way they had her made 280 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: up at first, And I knew what the girl looked 281 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: like I couldn't even identify her, Doctor Carolyn West, oh 282 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: at ps. By the time we got to trial, she 283 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: was so scared she ran away again. I was up 284 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: till five o'clock in the morning trying to find her, 285 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: looking at all her hangouts at HIGHI holes till we 286 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: found her and they were both convicted. By the way, 287 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: But doctor Carola West, what does that do to a girl? 288 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: Are you surprised she stabbed the guy? No, I'm not 289 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: surprised at all. I mean, these girls are, oftentimes and 290 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: young men too, are oftentimes very traumatized because, as your 291 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: guests said, they've been exposed to all types of trauma. 292 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: We have to understand that they're not perpetrators. They really 293 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: are victims. Under federal and state law, anyone under the 294 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: age of eighteen who commits a commercial sex act is 295 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: a trafficking victim. Piper, the young girl in this story 296 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: really should not have been charged. She should have been 297 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: given services. So the whole system failed her. Well, I 298 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: gotta tell you to you, Cassa Murphy. You know it'll 299 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: be a cold a and hblel. I'll let somebody give 300 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: me a sob story about why they committed murder. Boo 301 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: who the victims still dab but not in this case. 302 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: This young Did you know this girl is about the 303 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: same age of my twins, Lucy, this girl is the 304 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: same age as my son. And when you're when Greg 305 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 1: was talking about boys being trafficed, I just lost it. 306 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: I just lost it to imagine I have three girls 307 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: as well. Your son getting rape fifteen twenty times a day, 308 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: your daughter, your son, Oh it is it is. Bravo, 309 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: bravo to this young lady for sitting up. You know 310 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna get me in a whole heap of trouble 311 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: if you keep saying bravo to the killer. Okay, I 312 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: know that said. Well you know what, I don't know either, 313 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: because I think this is wrong. I think this is wrong. Guys, 314 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut two. 315 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: This is Brian Tabeggi k c RG nine. This is 316 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: an unusual case. Sarah Riley, as cedar raps attorney, also 317 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: questions whether the county attorney should have brought charges against 318 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: the then fifteen year old who described being repeatedly raped 319 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: by the man she killed and sex trafficed by another man. 320 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I was surprised to journed to the situation, I would 321 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: not have brought charges, but ultimately that decision lies with 322 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the county attorney, and I want you to hear claims 323 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: made by the girl, Piper Lewis. Take a listen to 324 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: the CEO of Chains interrupted Teresa Davidson speaking to our 325 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: forensic casey RG. Piper Lewis was arrested, prosecuted, and detained 326 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: for over two years, while her trafficker is free to 327 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: this day. And the people that bought her, she mentioned 328 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: multiple people buying her during that time, they're free to 329 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: this day. Kind of message does that send to people 330 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: who've been exploited and abused and trafficked To Philip Jones, 331 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: breaking these reporter des moines register buying her, it sounds 332 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: like modern day slavery. Yeah, this case, you know, to 333 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: your point, hit with a lot of people in Iowa. 334 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: You know they were. The county attorney told one of 335 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: my colleagues his name is John Sarcone, that you know, 336 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: this case where's satisfying resolution because they saw the side. Um. 337 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: You know, when I spoke with Piper's attorneys throughout the 338 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: process of reporting this story over the last two years, 339 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: you know they repeatedly told me that they thought the 340 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: police department detectives were blind to the fact that another 341 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: crime occurred, you know, that they were focused on stabbing, 342 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: the unsolving the stabbing. You know this, this was a 343 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: very violent crime. I should state this. You know she 344 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: stabbed Go ahead, mister Brooks about over thirty times. For 345 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: any of those in the KA I'm just curious. No, 346 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. She said in the police agreement that 347 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: she stabbed him in the arms, legs and growing with 348 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: the intent to injure and then it ended killing him. 349 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: You know. But but this case really did hit a 350 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: nerve with a lot of people here and and nationally 351 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: to your point two, um, because they've been frustrated by 352 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: this decision to to not only charge her. Who is 353 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: the judge that did this? So it's a it's a 354 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: district court judge. His name is David M. Porter. David 355 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: M as a mother Porter. H Uh huh did you 356 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: say district court judge? Right? Okay, go ahead? Uh? Well, 357 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: And so so if if you're not for for your 358 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: listeners who don't know the law here in Iowa, um, 359 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: in Iowa, any person convicted of a felony um in 360 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: which a person dies in this case, Piper pled guilty 361 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: to voluntary manslaughter and will full injury so that she 362 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: could play down from first degree murder. Uh. You know, 363 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: I will back up and say that originally, because she 364 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 1: was only fifteen when this happened, she was her case 365 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: was was not automatically moved to adult court, but it 366 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: was waived to adult court eventually. Uh. And so she 367 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: faced charge of first degree murderer. So she pled down 368 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: and got what a voluntary Yeah, pleaded guilty to voluntary 369 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: manslaughter and bullfal injury. That was the compromise, reach for 370 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: a plea agreement. Okay, hold on, So she pleads guilty, 371 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: and this is the judge that ordered her to pay 372 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars investitution to her rapist family. 373 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: Is that right? That's what I want to know right now? Right? Yeah? Second, 374 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: I want to figure something else out. Philip Jones joining 375 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: me from the Des Moines Register. Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, 376 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet 377 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: on Amazon, star of a Hitney series on iHeart and Beyond, 378 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: Body Bags That Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, thank you 379 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: for being with us. Let me ask you something they 380 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: are saying, as a given that this teen girl just 381 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: turned fifteen was raped and sex trafficked, how would we 382 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: be able to prove that forensically? If she said that 383 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: she had been rate just prior to the stabbing, could 384 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: we approve that forensically? Yeah? Absolutely, at this age and 385 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: particularly with this ongoing abuse fancy that she was suffering, 386 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: there would be obvious signs of sexual trauma. And I'm 387 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: talking about kind of a physical manifestation with her um 388 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: and you know, we we can dive into those details 389 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: if you wish, but there they're resport. Yeah, of course 390 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: I want the details. Well, obviously a rape exam would 391 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: have to be performed, uh there at a local hospital. 392 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: They would do a rape kit, just you know, like 393 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: we do in other cases as sutual assault and certainly 394 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: sexualated homicide. There would be uh you know, a kit 395 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: that was that was that was deployed at at the hospital. 396 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully there would be what's called the same nurse which 397 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: is a sexual assault nurse examiner there that is specialized 398 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: in this area that would do the examination and document 399 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: it and all of these all of these items would 400 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: be collected and submitted for testing. Now, we've got a 401 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: real problem in this country with with rape kids that 402 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: are not being processed. I hope in this case that 403 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: they would have done that. But you know, there was 404 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: something that the reporter said just a moment ago that 405 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of troubled me relative to this case. Go ahead, 406 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: Well specifically no, and I'm not. What I'm saying is 407 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: is that he made a profound statement and that the 408 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: police were looking at this as a as a one 409 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: off crime. You're simply dealing with a homicide and not 410 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: dealing with a sexual assault. So with that, one of 411 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: the biggest problems we faced in forensics is timeliness. That is, 412 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: getting to do the examination as quickly as you possibly can. 413 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: I think that somebody's feet needs to be healthy the fire. 414 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: Relative to this, did they take the show growing in 415 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: they have her apperpectly examined and then when that happened, 416 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: did they appropriately collect the evidence and submitted to the 417 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: state crime lay. Guys, we're talking to Joe Scott Morgan, 418 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: Professor forensics about fifteen year old young girl that cops 419 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: admit was forcibly traffic to other men for sex by 420 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: her then homicide victim. Their problem is not all the sex, 421 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: traffic and the raping of a team girl over and 422 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: over and over every single day, but the fact that 423 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: she finally hauled off and stabbed him. Guys, take a 424 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: listen now to your friends at WOI Local Fine. Seventeen 425 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: year old Piper Lewis entered court shackled in wearing a 426 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: blue jumpsuit. Her attorney's requested she'd be allowed to wear 427 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: street clothes, but that request denied by the judge. Her 428 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: team called six witnesses to the standard testify about Lewis's actions, 429 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: what led up to her stabbing the alleged rapist In 430 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: how She's doing now? A doctor described her as someone 431 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,959 Speaker 1: who has depression, anxiety and had a bad childhood and 432 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: says for her to recover, she needs to do whatever 433 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: time she gets in a foster homelike environment. What do 434 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: we know about this girl, Piper Lewis Listen to our 435 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot com. Piper Lewis was just 436 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: three years old when she was adopted out of foster 437 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: care by Billie and Leslie Lewis. A divorce split the 438 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: family when Piper was in eighth grade. Lewis says that's 439 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: when her mother became mentally and emotionally abusive. With tensions 440 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: high at home, Lewis ran away three times. The second 441 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: time she ran away, she reported being sexually assaulted at 442 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: the Youth Emergency Services and Shelter facility in Des Moines. 443 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: The third time she ran away reportedly came after her 444 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: mother accused her of being promiscuous. Fifteen year old Lewis 445 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: went to live with an older sister of a classmate, 446 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: but moved out after an argument. Sleeping in the hallways, 447 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: a forty year old man in the complex took Lewis in. 448 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 1: What more do we know? The forty year old man 449 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: who took Piper Lewis in reportedly beat her, gave her cocaine, 450 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: and tried to make her have sex with his cousins. 451 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: Lewis went back to sleeping in the hallways. That's when 452 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: she met and moved in with the twenty eight year 453 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: old musician Christopher Brown. Lewis says while she considered Brown 454 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: to be her boyfriend, he signed her up for dating sites, 455 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: then arranged for her to have sex with men for 456 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: money at least seven or eight times. Through the musician, 457 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: Lewis met another man, Zach Brooks, at a house party, 458 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: Brown told Louis that she had to stay with Brooks 459 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: while Brown's daughter and her mother visited. Lewis says Brooks 460 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: gave her alcohol and marijuana and over the weekend had 461 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: sex with her five times while she was unconscious and 462 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: guess what that's not all listen. The day before Zach 463 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Brooks died, Lewis was forced to return to Brookes's apartment. 464 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: Lewis says she was threatened to buy Brown at knife point. 465 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: Brooks picked Lewis up at the musician's apartment at ten 466 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: pm and reportedly planned to give Brown fifty dollars worth 467 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: of marijuana in exchange for sex acts at the apartment. 468 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: According to Lewis's statement, Brooks ordered Louis to take off 469 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: her clothes and, along with two other people at the apartment, 470 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: pressured her into drinking vodka and smoking marijuana. Louis fell asleep. 471 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: When she woke up, she says Brooks was raping her. 472 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: Louis screamed but couldn't stop him. As Brooks slept, Louis 473 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: gathered her clothes and saw a knife on the nightstand 474 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: and was overcome with rage after realizing she had been 475 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: raped again. Louis stabbed Brooks and left the apartment, returning 476 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: to her musician friends home time stories with Nancy Grace 477 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: to Philip Jones joining US investigative news reporter and des 478 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: Moines with a des Moines Register Philip Jones or any 479 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: of those facts and dispute. No, no, Prosecutors and police 480 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: detectives really never disputed the claims of sex trafficking. But 481 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: despite that, the musician was never interviewed again by police detectives, 482 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: even once it became apparent that Piper was a victim 483 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: of sex trafficking. You know, up until the sentencing hearings 484 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: that happened in the past couple of weeks, prosecutors ineveraly 485 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: affirmed the fact that she was a victim of sex trafficking, 486 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: But they did it. And then during those hearings they 487 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: actually did confirm that she was a victim of sex trafficking. 488 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: So she wakes up from being unconscious, discovered she has 489 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: been raped, and then stabs her attacker thirty times and 490 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: cops a dame. He was asleep at the time, or 491 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: does she say he was asleep at the time, Philip 492 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: in her plea, she said he was asleep. I mean 493 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: there were two people there that night, but there's no 494 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: respute that But you know that that makes a big 495 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: difference under Iowa law, because you know, there are a 496 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of people who said to me that they think 497 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: this is an obvious case of self defense. You know, 498 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: Iowa does have a standard ground law, but that law 499 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: and another law that would protect people under a self 500 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: defense statute would not apply according to Iowa law because 501 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: prosecutors made the argument that she stabbed mister Brooks while 502 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: he was sleeping after the commission of a forcible felony. 503 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: In Iowa, you can defend yourself from imminent threat during 504 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: the commission of a forcible felony. But in this case, 505 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: mister Brooks had gotten off of her and the forcible 506 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: felony had been finished, and so prosecutors argued at sentencing 507 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: that she could have left. You know, she was gathering 508 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: her clothes when she made the decision to stab him, 509 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: and she could have walked right out the front door. 510 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: Got it dodger. Caroline West joining me, clinical psychologist, What 511 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: do you make of that? What I make of that 512 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: is that often times the laws don't reflect the reality 513 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: for victims that under the law they may have assumed 514 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: that she could have just simply walked away or gotten 515 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: herself out, that she was in danger at that particular 516 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: moment when she stabbed him, But in the mind of survivors, 517 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: that just may not really seem to be the case, 518 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: given her vulnerabilities and the level of trauma that she 519 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: had experienced. Take a listen to Kelly Marie Meek from 520 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: the Iowa Coalition Against Sex Assault from ksey RG nine. 521 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: Kelly Marie Meek works at the Iowa Coalition Against Sexual 522 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: Assault as the prevention and public health coordinator. She says, 523 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: seventeen year old Piper Lewis shouldn't have to spend five 524 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: years in a women's rehab center and pay one hundred 525 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars in restitution. I'm grateful that she's 526 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: not in prison, but still very worried when I think 527 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: about the amount of perfection and the standards that she's 528 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: going to be held to for the next five years 529 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: under very close supervision. The standard to which this young 530 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: girl is going to be held, well, you know what, 531 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: let's hear from Piper Lewis herself. Take a listen. Walking 532 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: through the fire of Phoenix, like me, he carries on 533 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: its back as it rises from the ashes. This means 534 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: I face rape, abuse, hatred, betrayal, manipulation, abandonment, loss of 535 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: apparent loneliness, and self relevation. The list goes on and on. 536 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: I wonder what else I will carry in that sack 537 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: of beautiful pain. I often ask myself why. The answer 538 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: is clear, hurt people, hurt people, whether it's intentional or not. 539 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Giving up. But yet again, some days I feel like 540 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: giving up. But yet again I am delight At the 541 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: end of the tunnel. I flicker brighter than the simple 542 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: thought of my own future. I must prevail. I own 543 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: the power to take accountability. I do not fear the 544 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: thought of further incarceration. I fear not being able to 545 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: accomplish some of my goals. I even graduated high school 546 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: at age seventeen, a year ahead of my class. I'm 547 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: going to be a fashion and graphic designer, open up 548 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: my business titled Pie, create a place of comfort and 549 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: acceptance for girls like me. Become a junile justice advocate 550 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: for youth in Iowa, be a counselor, start a family, 551 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: and tell my story. No matter what the next chapter is, 552 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: I will still rise. To Greg Shepherd joining me former 553 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Phoenix PD, now investigator with Hype for Justice who investigates 554 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: and tries to stop human trafficking. When I hear this 555 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: little girl talking about being a phoenix rising out of 556 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: the ash as her dream to be a counselor and 557 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: start a family and tell her story, it nearly breaks 558 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: my heart. But it's kind of it's a silver lining 559 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: because she has a passion. There's a lot of other 560 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: trauma victims that don't even have that path yet, but 561 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: she's already has that path within her, So that's a 562 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: very good thing. I think. Unfortunately, this case is an 563 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: example of laws and law enforcement trying to catch up 564 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: to modern day thinking in regards to sex trafficking. Because 565 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: I correct me if I'm wrong, mister Jones. I think 566 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: the Iowa law requires that restitution. There's no leeway. It's 567 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: a requirement. And I don't think Iowa has the safe 568 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: harbor aspect that some other states have that give sex 569 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: trafficking victims some immunity for that restitution. And as far 570 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: as the law enforcement, a lot of law enforcement, if 571 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: they're not educated, they see things. You know, one way, 572 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: this is a stabbing. We're going to solve the stabbing. 573 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: We have a stabbing suspect and a stabbing victim, and 574 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: that's what they do. They don't look at the big 575 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: This is not the first time a rape victim has 576 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: been punished. There's a case of crystal Abble Seth. The 577 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: rape victim has to pay off the rapist. Listen, he 578 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: offered to bring me home that night because my friend 579 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: wanted to leave early. Christa Abel Seth knows all too 580 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: well about overcoming adversity. The thirty two year old is 581 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: the mother of a sixteen year old who we are 582 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: not naming, we're identifying because she's a miner. She was 583 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: also born from a rape and it was a thirty 584 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: year old man when I was sixteen. Abel Seth recalls 585 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: meeting this man, John Barnes, at a bar and Hammond 586 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: back in two thousand and five. He offered to take 587 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: her home instead of bring me home. He brought me 588 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: to his home and once inside, he proceeded to rape 589 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: me on his living room couch. And from that rate, 590 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: that statutory rate, she has a child and now her 591 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: rapist once it's how support He hasn't even been raising 592 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: the baby ever. That is the case of Apple Seth. 593 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: But then in our cut thirty two, you hear about 594 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: yet another rape victim. He served jail time again after 595 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: being convicted of raping another victim between the ages of 596 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: thirteen and fifteen years old in twenty ten. But last month, 597 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: Santilac County Prosecuting attorney James V. Young and Santilac District 598 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: Court Judge Gregory Ross signed a paternity order that gives 599 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: Tiffany's attacker joint legal custody of their son and their 600 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: right to pursue parenting time. I was receiving government assistants 601 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: and they told me if I did not tell them 602 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: who the father was my child, that they would take 603 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: that away from me. Right now, to Philip Jones, I've 604 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: got so many other similar cases where rape victims have 605 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: been punished, essentially, what is the latest in this case, 606 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Philip Jones. So on Monday, Lewis's attorneys argued to District 607 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,399 Speaker 1: Judge David M. Porter that he should overturn his own 608 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: decision and not require Lewis to pay one hundred and 609 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,280 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to the estate of Brooks. Porter cited 610 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: in his decision cited a twenty seventeen Iowa Supreme Court 611 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: ruling in which a Cedar Rapids teen plotted with her 612 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: nineteen year old boyfriend to kill a man and rob 613 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: him of two thousand dollars. In this filing on Monday, 614 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: they argued that the cases are fundamentally different because Lewis 615 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: did not plan to kill Brooks and that she only 616 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: killed him because he raped her and caused her to 617 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: be put into this fit of rage. They also argued 618 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: that under the Iowa Constitution and under the eighth and 619 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: end it to the US Constitution, Lewis should be excluded 620 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: or should be prohibited from paying excessive fines. But for 621 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: the conduct of her sex trafficker, Piper would never have 622 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: met mister Brooks, and mister Brooks, in turn, never would 623 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,760 Speaker 1: have had the opportunity to rape this fifteen year old 624 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: homeless runaway girl, they wrote. Finally, they argued that Lewis 625 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: received a deferred judgment, and in a deferred judgment, a 626 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: guilty verdict is technically withheld even after a person admits 627 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: the guilt to which they were charged with. The Cedar 628 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: Rapids team cited by Brooks did are cited by Porter 629 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: did not receive a deferred judgments, so they argued that 630 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: a deferred judgment is punitive and not rehabilitative at all. 631 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: If Porter does not overturn his decision, they asked him 632 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: to stay his decision so that they can appeal it 633 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 1: to either the Iowa Court of Appeals or the Iowa 634 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I'm very curious what's going to happen to 635 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: the judge that ordered this girl to play one hundred 636 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: and fifty grand to her rapist that she killed. Now, 637 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: according to the judge, he had to do that under 638 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: the law. And I say, as a legal expert, if 639 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: that is the law, then the law is an ass 640 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumps too are signing off good Byson H.