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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Norri back with comp Olson. As we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: paranormal and what Hollywood gets right and what it gets wrong.

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Speaker 1: How have you analyzed this, Cadres. Did you go through

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of movies. Oh, I've loved horror movies

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Speaker 1: since I was a kid. I was, you know, a

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Speaker 1: watch horror movies all the time. But the thing that

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Speaker 1: always kind of bugged me about them is I grew up,

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Speaker 1: you know, at a haunted house. I grew up going

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Speaker 1: to seances, and at first what I saw in the

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Speaker 1: horror movie scared the heck out of me when going

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Speaker 1: to seances and trying to work with the paranormal. But

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Speaker 1: the more I was experiencing this stuff and the more

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Speaker 1: movies are just not matching. They don't they don't make

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Speaker 1: any sense compared to what I'm seeing. And as I

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Speaker 1: start to work with more and more people over the years,

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Speaker 1: and they're having normal issues in their houses and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about it and resolving it, it still doesn't match

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Speaker 1: what's in the movies. And I'm like, huh, this is strange.

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Speaker 1: And even compounding to that, when I was going to

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Speaker 1: the Spiritualist church as a kid, I attended a lot

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Speaker 1: of lectures by different people that were in various parts

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Speaker 1: of the paranormal scene, and some of them were involved

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Speaker 1: with the movies, you know, especially like the Changeling. I

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Speaker 1: knew some of the people that were involved with the

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Speaker 1: Changeling in the movie, and they were talking about what

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Speaker 1: over these years this contrast of what we're seeing and

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Speaker 1: what really is going on, and getting some of the

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Speaker 1: insiders story of what behind the scenes, you know, when

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Speaker 1: they all say it's based on a true story, and

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Speaker 1: I dig into what's really going on and who are

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Speaker 1: these people, and you know, getting some of the witness

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Speaker 1: accounts of what's happening, I'm able to put together a

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Speaker 1: better picture of what's happening from my own personal experience

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Speaker 1: with the paranormal and the witness accounts versus what we

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Speaker 1: see on the TV. On the TV and on the

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Speaker 1: movie screens, Cajuns. Even though you say about eighty percent

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Speaker 1: of the Hollywood movies get it wrong in quotes, does

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Speaker 1: that still mean they're bad movies or are they still

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Speaker 1: good movies? Well, that's a good question. Sometimes movies are

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Speaker 1: just bad because they're bad, and those are fun, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of those B and C movies. We know they're bad,

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Speaker 1: but they're fun. But I really don't blame Hollywood because

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Speaker 1: the moviemakers in Hollywood, their primary job is to entertain us.

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Speaker 1: There today great story that scares the heck out of us,

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Speaker 1: that removes us from our day to day world. And

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Speaker 1: they do a fantastic job of that. They do the

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Speaker 1: great writing, they've got great special effects, the casting is amazing.

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Speaker 1: They do a terrific job. And I would say, really,

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Speaker 1: my only complaint is is people see these movies so

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Speaker 1: many times, and they see what's on the TV so

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Speaker 1: many times, that becomes the depiction of what they expect

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Speaker 1: the paranormal to be. And then when they're encountering the paranormal,

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Speaker 1: they misinterpret what's going on, or they exacerbate a situation

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Speaker 1: because they don't really understand what's happening, or more often

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Speaker 1: the movie. And so part of my mission and helping

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Speaker 1: people to coexist with the paranormal is to really discern

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Speaker 1: the difference between what is fictionalized in Hollywood versus what

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Speaker 1: the paranormal is like in real life, and what we

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Speaker 1: one of my criticisms of these so called reality shows

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Speaker 1: point nine nine percent of the time, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to find Bigfoot, they're going to going to find a

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Speaker 1: make that reality show exciting. Absolutely, And in fact, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the Old Exorcist. Oh yeah, that is actually a

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Speaker 1: It was a boy who had an interest in buiji boards,

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Speaker 1: strange paranormal activity. Now that's weird. Oh yeah, And there's

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Speaker 1: a little soapboxy here, until Ed and Lorraine Warren showed up.

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Speaker 1: Was that a good thing or a bad thing? That's

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Speaker 1: a bad thing? Unfortunately? Why what happened there? Because they

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Speaker 1: Many many movies on the Amityville Horror House beginning with

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Speaker 1: And yet you know, there were definitely a bad thing

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Speaker 1: seventy four, Ronald to fail room to room murdered his

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Speaker 1: Something was off with that, right, Something doesn't match there,

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Speaker 1: And even Ronnie says that he knew that it was

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Speaker 1: afterward had paranormal activity after that. Just Tim. That's from

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Speaker 1: one of the lawyers that worked with Ronald Dafeo, said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: lot of the pieces and parts of this movie and

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Speaker 1: this story just don't make sense. And it was a

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Speaker 1: good movie. Oh yeah, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: As scared the hell of me when I was a

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