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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for day Edith State. Is that woo whoom?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tie Obollers. This is your Captain Tie

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Speaker 2: Hildebrandt alongside Lieutenant Dan Rubinstein. Welcome aboard the college football

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Speaker 2: twos creuse here on the show, Dan, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. Tie. I have the zinc oxide, the digital

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Speaker 1: zinc oxide on my nose because I think we're are

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Speaker 1: we heading to the tropics.

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Speaker 2: We are headed to the tropics today, Yes.

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Speaker 1: On today's two's cruise, are heading to the I guess

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Speaker 1: it all fits together with sort of the South Pacific

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Speaker 1: with I mean, I guess we could go with a

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Speaker 1: Lost theme, because that's technically I think we're the Lost Island.

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Speaker 2: Could actually that's a theme, that's a theme that we

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Speaker 1: Arguably, Arguably, because you already know the title of the show,

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Speaker 1: or at least part of the title of the show,

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Speaker 1: the idea, the theme behind your idea would actually work

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Speaker 1: really well with Lost. It really the concept of lot

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Speaker 1: I'll buy one cheap. I'm ready to because it's been

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Speaker 1: to the twos cruise thus far this season. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: going out to solidverbal dot com. Before we get into it, though, Dan,

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Speaker 2: As is often the case, college football news breaks this

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Speaker 1: Really speculated this time. We did.

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Speaker 2: We tried to cover our bases and I think we

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Speaker 2: long time coming. I don't think it catches anyone by surprise.

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Speaker 2: The buyout was large, pretty large, and that I guess

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Speaker 2: But in the end they decided to move forward Dan

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Speaker 2: same lines as what we're discussing here tonight, so it

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at a website now. Both of the Stoops

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Speaker 1: Dan Well? The Bob Stoops rumor or news has legs.

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Speaker 1: I've heard from smart people that there is some sort

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that two brothers are potentially in

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Speaker 2: Florida State is not a low profile opening by any stretch.

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Speaker 2: There will be other openings that pop up around college

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Speaker 1: But uh yeah, the path right now, by the way

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Speaker 1: But otherwise it's not a terrible path. But you do

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Speaker 2: And finally, very quickly before we get to our games

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Speaker 1: Daniel Molana. Yeah, you're gonna have to explain this to me.

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Speaker 2: Disney made a movie back in twenty sixteen, yes, titled

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Speaker 2: Molana Okay, And in that movie, Mowana is a teenage girl.

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Speaker 2: That's what they do. It's part of their heritage. And Mowana,

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Speaker 2: You don't have kids. No, you are not an animator.

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Speaker 2: Dan should make that drastic change, should make a for it,

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Speaker 2: This I This game is titled I Am Mowana. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here is the wrinkle that I did not write

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Speaker 2: The wrinkle here is as we go through, we've got

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Speaker 1: You just tell me what you think, okay, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: This is forty five to fifty minutes of my morning.

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Speaker 1: we call it duck Coach Ohanna. Can we call it

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna nay, it's not bad. Of all the why,

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Speaker 1: It's the best.

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Speaker 2: I am going to title this one the Two's Crews.

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Speaker 2: I am Mowana, but dacko Chouanna. But that's not bad.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Let's start off first team that you think needs

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Speaker 2: Dan, Where do we stand on Michigan State. Michigan States

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Speaker 1: So I am iwana. Honors what that they need to

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Speaker 2: I am Mowana. Yes. See. Doesn't it feel good? Don't

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Speaker 1: I just know that this game is either going to

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Speaker 2: You know my hit rate, Yeah, it's either all or nothing.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Let's move on, Billy Ashley to you.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the PAC twelve. Okay, usc USC Now,

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Speaker 2: I still thin there can.

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Speaker 2: And I stand by something you said years ago that

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Speaker 2: Not a recognizable guy. Doesn't mean it can't be a

432
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Speaker 2: good football coach. But I think if you're a USC

433
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Speaker 2: with all your tradition, with your built in recruiting advantages,

434
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Speaker 2: you got to be more than just a good football coach.

435
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: You have to be able to develop talent. In the

436
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Speaker 2: time that we've seen Clay Helton there, albeit with some

437
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: injuries this year, that talent development component has been missing. Okay,

438
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: it does not feel like the program has elevated at

439
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Speaker 2: all in his tenure.

440
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Speaker 1: And I mean he's won the Pac twelve.

441
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Speaker 2: He's won the Pac twelve. But I think the expectation

442
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: as a USC fan is to do more than just

443
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Speaker 2: win the Pac twelve. It's to get to the playoff.

444
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: It's back at ten on some level.

445
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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't think you're wrong, but it's just curious.

446
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: On some level, he certainly bears some responsibility for that.

447
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 2: I don't know who the answer is, but I don't

448
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 2: know if Clay Helton was ever it. So I am Mowana.

449
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean he's gone.

450
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 2: I think he's got to be right.

451
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: I think he's just gone. And I mean I think

452
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Speaker 1: they have the eleven the best recruiting class in the

453
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: Pac twelve. I think the word is out. Nothing I

454
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: can say is going to change much here. He's gone,

455
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Speaker 1: and I am Marana.

456
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: Let's stay in the Pac twelve.

457
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Speaker 1: Yeah, new ad. Yeah. About Stanford, Dan, Okay, So Stanford

458
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: is interesting. They've had a ton of injuries. They've when healthy,

459
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: have been okay sometimes, but they're losing to teams that

460
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: even beat up, they shouldn't be losing to. Something interesting

461
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: to me about Stanford though, is they fired their longtime

462
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Speaker 1: strength and conditioning coach. And that was in I don't

463
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Speaker 1: know it was over the summer or in the spring,

464
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: but he was there. He was a Harbaugh guy, I

465
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Speaker 1: believe from two thousand and six or he came in

466
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Speaker 1: with Harbaugh around that time. So as people know who

467
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: are diehard college football fans, there is a significant amount

468
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Speaker 1: of time spent with the strength and conditioning coach. And

469
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Speaker 1: I know I think he took over all of Stanford

470
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: athletics strength and conditioning, so that changed a little bit,

471
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: and there was an incident or he was reported to

472
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Speaker 1: have done something. The details to me are hazy. I

473
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: just saw a report from the Stanford rival site. But

474
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: he was let go and that's a more major change

475
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Speaker 1: than I think we acknowledge, just the day to day

476
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Speaker 1: in the off season and making sure players are treated

477
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Speaker 1: correctly and our training correctly. I don't know if it's

478
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: led to more injuries for Stanford, but it's a different

479
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: program and Stanford hasn't been able to count on one

480
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: health and two. Those home run hitters Bryce Love Christian

481
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: McCaffrey really top level quarterbacks, which kJ Costello is sometimes,

482
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: but they've been built across the board at such a

483
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: high level and you look at them now and their

484
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: dude factor is dwindling. So they continue to recruit well.

485
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Speaker 1: I think there needs to be cleaning house is probably

486
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: too dramatic a term for what needs to happen, but

487
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Speaker 1: I think a long look in the mirror is needed,

488
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Speaker 1: maybe hiring a new coordinator or two, and I think

489
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: most of all figuring out strength and conditioning, really investing

490
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: there if they're not already, because something is a miss.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels so awkward to say that, to

492
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Speaker 2: be honest. Yeah, when we talk about Stanford football, this

493
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 2: is a coach in David Shaw, who's won double digit

494
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Speaker 2: games a bunch of times. Here, I'm trying to count

495
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: up quick at least five times, factoring in the full season,

496
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Speaker 2: not just the regular season. Nine wins each of the

497
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Speaker 2: last two years, ten wins back in twenty sixteen.

498
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Speaker 1: So it's still a successful program and he's earned the

499
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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. David Shaw. Oh, for sure have

500
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Speaker 1: a down years.

501
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: It's expected, for sure, But it just again feels like

502
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: there's more to tap into there in the Stanford football program,

503
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Speaker 2: just given the fact that they were there. This is

504
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Speaker 2: a team that's won the Rose Bowl a couple times

505
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Speaker 2: now in the last ten years. They can be good

506
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 2: enough to get to that level. I don't think I

507
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to push my inner Milana here. I think

508
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: David Shaw is the right guy for that job. I

509
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: think he's smart enough to know that some things need

510
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 2: to be tweaked. I wouldn't want to change too too

511
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: much to Stanford because before the Jim Horbaugh era, this

512
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: is a program that had been down for quite some time.

513
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: You got to go back to ty Willingham in the

514
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: early two thousands. Really, just that one year in two

515
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: thousand and one before you get to a really successful

516
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: Stanford campaign pre Horrball. So for me, I think you

517
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: stay put. I think you stay in the island.

518
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Speaker 1: Oh you don't get rid of David Show, you don't

519
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: get saw Yeah, no, no, no, I just what changes

520
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: are needed for Stanford. Like he David Shaw is notoriously

521
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: very conservative on offense in terms of punting and timeouts

522
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: and how aggressive he is at at different moments in

523
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Speaker 1: the game. I don't know if it's I know he

524
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Speaker 1: has a young offensive coordinator. I just think Stanford needs

525
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: to do what all older people need to do with

526
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: their routers. Don't freak out, just reset. It'll be okay.

527
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Speaker 2: Don't freak out.

528
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, thank you.

529
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: What about the Northwestern Wildcats den freak out?

530
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: They need to hire a new offensive coordinator. I'm probably

531
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: a new offensive staff.

532
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just it.

533
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: I think you're ok with Pat Fitzgerald. I'm definitely okay

534
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: with Pat Fitzgerald. I am I'm all aboard the Pat

535
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald Express. But it's another one of those instances where

536
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: good smart programs try to stay ahead of the curve

537
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: or they see where the sport is going, and Northwestern doesn't.

538
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, even like last week, I don't know if

539
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: you saw this quote of his where he talked about

540
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: having visitors at Northwestern practice they prise they thought they

541
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: were watching like an undefeated team. Like no, dude, no no, no, no,

542
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no

543
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: no no no no. And so it's it's that at

544
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: least public self awareness where you're just like maybe internally,

545
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Speaker 1: I think Pat Fitzgerald's a smart dude. I think changes

546
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: are coming, but there is a part of me that

547
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: worries about him being the like rock solid state of

548
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: the course. We trust our guys to get work done

549
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: and we're going to figure it out in the all, No,

550
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: this offense needs to go in an entirely different dramatic

551
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: direction because they just can't waste defense this year over year.

552
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: You can't do it. Somebody's going to figure it out.

553
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: Figure out how to at least not embarrass yourself at

554
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: Northwestern in the way that they have this year.

555
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean Northwestern's in the same bodus Stanford

556
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: in many regards because of the academic requirements there, it's

557
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: not always the easiest place to recruit. Two And Pat

558
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald's been head football coach since two thousand and six.

559
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: In his previous thirteen seasons, he's qualified for a bowl

560
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: game nine times. That is not insignificant. That is not

561
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: insignificant at all at Northwestern. And I don't know who

562
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: else you'd get who could do that. It's a tough job,

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: tough not to crack. So I don't think you part

564
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: ways with Pat Fitzgerald. But I think we say they

565
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: got to figure about it. Yeah, they got to figure

566
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: out something on the offensive side of the ball to

567
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: be a little bit more consistent. When you have talent

568
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: like Hunter Johnson coming in, he transfers over. Now, maybe

569
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: he always was gonna underwhelm regardless of where he was.

570
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he wasn't starting quarterback at Clemson. Who knows.

571
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: But I gotta believe a five star prospect is better

572
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: than what we saw this year at Northwestern. I just

573
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: gotta believe that to my core.

574
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Speaker 1: And if you're able to put together a year over

575
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: year and hire and maintain this defensive coaching staff, which

576
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: by the way, there this is you know your fund

577
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: analytics stuff, they haven't not fielded a top fifty defense

578
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: since two thoy eleven in points per drive allowed, no

579
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: garbage time. Their defense is these past few years twenty second, sixteenth,

580
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, six thirty eighth, forty ninth, forty second. He

581
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: knows what good coaching looks like. He knows what good

582
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: game planning looks like. He knows what good fundamentals look like.

583
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: You need to go out and find some to do

584
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: it on the other side of the ball. It's time.

585
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: So am I hearing? I am iwana here.

586
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: I am milanah. That was good, Thank you, thank you.

587
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: Let's move to the exact opposite end of the good

588
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: old us of A. Okay, I guess it's not the Galveston.

589
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: I guess it's not the exact opposite I was thinking Stanford.

590
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: Where I'm trying to go with this is South Carolina.

591
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Where we're going. It's not the opposite side.

592
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: So South Carolina. Dan has been under the tutelage of

593
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Wilbusch Champ a couple of years running. Now. I remember

594
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the preseason fodder will mush Champ getting

595
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 2: his boys fired up, trying to get him to believe

596
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: why not us. Why not now in a shock the world,

597
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: all the all the usual rhetoric that you hear from

598
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: coaches trying to fire up their boys. Yeah, has not

599
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: come to fruition. Though they did beat Georgia and that

600
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: was sort of a big deal. It's been difficult this

601
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: season because Jake Bentley, they're starting quarterback down very early.

602
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: They've been forced to deal with the aftermath of that.

603
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Helensky got a start, some others have played here

604
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: and there, but you know, offense was kind of the

605
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: area that Will mush Champ's always been tasked with trying

606
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: to solve. He's had a hard time with that. I

607
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: am mixed on how I feel here, and I think

608
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: back to when this position opened to begin with. At

609
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: the time, South Carolina seemingly made an early move to

610
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: throw their hat in the Tom Herman ring. It didn't

611
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: work out. Tom Herman went elsewhere. They end up with

612
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: wol Mush Champion was one of the last guys hired

613
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: in that coaching cycle.

614
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Speaker 1: I think they don't after Ridge rot as well.

615
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: They were really going for it, they were they were

616
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: they were trying to channel that inner Mowana and they

617
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: ended up with Will Mush Champ. So now the question

618
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: is do they try to channel their inner Mowana again

619
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: and go a different direction or are they okay standing

620
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: pat with Will mush Champ and with what he's built

621
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 2: so far in a couple of years in Yeah.

622
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: So it's a seesaw program. Anytime their offense gets a

623
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: little bit better, their defense is hurt and struggles. Anytime

624
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: their defense is totally fine like they are this year,

625
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: their offense has run aground nautical term, tie nautical term.

626
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: So in the past three weeks, I don't remember if

627
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: they had a buy, but they went scoreless in a

628
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: loss after being up at halftime to Tennessee on the

629
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: road but still Tennessee. And then they lose to app

630
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: State at home Sun Belt app State, good Sun Belt team.

631
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: It's in Columbia. You gotta win that game. That's just

632
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: it's unacceptable, this many years into a tenure to be

633
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: losing that game. And I know I'm pro app State.

634
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a great story that Eli Drinkwitz in

635
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: his first season has beaten North Carolina and South Carolina,

636
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: and it's cool that they somehow managed to pull out

637
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: that Georgia game despite every metric and every number, saying

638
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: well for and for turnovers, all those dang turnovers. I

639
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it.

640
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: But.

641
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do here. He hired Kurt

642
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: ro Oprah initially as an offensive coordinator, and that, to me,

643
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: it tells me that he's not he's not progressive enough

644
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: at hiring coaches, at thinking about offense. I know they

645
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: went to a hurry up, no huddle. I know Jake

646
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Bentley got hurt almost immediately this season, but I don't

647
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: know how much leeway you give the dude if he

648
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: has this time to recruit and put in the coaches

649
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: he wants to put in. If that's the case and

650
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 1: you're losing these games again, understand the jank, the Jake

651
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Bentley factor. Excuse me, but losing to Maszoo now by

652
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: twenty that hasn't aged super well, tie yep has it.

653
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: No losing to app State, even though app State's a

654
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: really good team. South Carolina should be better than that,

655
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: don't you think?

656
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Right? So I saw his buyout something like nineteen million dollars,

657
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: and it's hard to see it happening this year, but

658
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: I suppose I could see a change of coordinators overhaul things.

659
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: No actual good coordinator going to Columbia because they can

660
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: see the writing on the wa and we have another

661
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: like five and seven year.

662
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's shaping up to be that kind of

663
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: season right now. This is a team that's got what

664
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: six losses, and they've got a road tilt against Texas

665
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: A and M this coming week, which is not the

666
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: easiest I think, given one Metal Bowl Yeah yeah, where

667
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: South Carolina is at and then they've got Clemson final

668
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: week of the year at home, but still Clemson. Well,

669
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: Mushham's gone to a bowl each of his first three

670
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: seasons in Colombia. I don't think he's going to qualify

671
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: for one this year. He has had the injuries. But

672
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: I just I you know, after his second year, after

673
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: the twenty seventeen year when they won nine games, won

674
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: the Outback Bowl against Michigan, that to me was a

675
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: reason for optimism headed into twenty eighteen, like Okay, maybe

676
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: they're building something here. And there was optimism after I'd

677
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: say the end of last season two that this could

678
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: be Okay, we might be building towards something. In twenty nineteen,

679
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: that feels like it went out the window a long

680
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: time ago, and I just don't know if we've gotten

681
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: a point where where anyone's gonna feel differently that this

682
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: isn't just a program treading water like it just doesn't

683
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: feel like anything's building. So I say, let's move. I

684
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: am Milana, Let's channel it.

685
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: See I'm not quite there because of the buyout. I

686
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: am not Milana. That's just too much money to pay

687
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: will mus Champ to go away.

688
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: It is somebody please isolate you saying I am not Milana.

689
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: I am not Molana. I am not I repeat not Malan.

690
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: What about Auburn Dan.

691
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: This sutom.

692
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: It seems like they're asking in earnest whether or not

693
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: they are Molana every year, and it's a program this

694
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: year that you know, well, your Oregon Ducks lost to

695
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: them Week one. Program that is I think a top

696
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: fifteen team right now. Offensively, they've got a true freshman

697
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: quarterback that I think they're excited about. He has had

698
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 2: some freshman moments, to say the least. But offensively they

699
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: have not quite been the same that we saw in

700
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: some of the earlier Malason led Auburn squads, but still

701
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: been very good on defense, still have recruited very very well.

702
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: So the question is does Auburn going in a different

703
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: direction actually get them above Alabama? Now maybe above LSU,

704
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: because that's the perennial question in the SEC West. It's

705
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: not so much Morris available, Yeah, Chad Morris available.

706
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: Willie Taggart right there, veteran.

707
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: SEC West coach, right m hm. The question remains not

708
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: so much can you win ten games? But can you

709
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: beat Alabama? And that is the dilemma I think if

710
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: you're Auburn right now, as it has been truly for

711
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: pretty much every team in the SEC.

712
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: Auburn can beat Alabama. Alabama's beatable. We just saw it happen. Yeah,

713
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: by a better team probably, but like how many points

714
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: of ls you beat Auburn by three? A close game

715
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: at the end. But you're getting about Auburn and LSU

716
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: on different tiers, on different levels in any sort of

717
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: dramatic way, are we no?

718
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: But you get my point. My point is that in

719
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: the span that Saban has been at Alabama, literally every

720
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 2: other program in the SEC has changed coaches trying to

721
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: get to that level, right and if you have done it,

722
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: maybe LSU's finally getting there. Maybe George is trying to

723
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: build towards something Florida over in the East. Who knows.

724
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: But Auburn is a team that has beaten Alabama, and

725
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to.

726
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: Get to all times multiple times.

727
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: They're trying to get to that level of consistency where

728
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: they can do it more frequently or at least be

729
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: viewed as the front runner, legit front runner.

730
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't under say what you're asking, though you're asking,

731
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: does Auburn My question is find a coach that can

732
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: beat Alabama four out of five years with Nick Saban?

733
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: My point here is that Nick Saban has driven everybody

734
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: crazy in the SEC. Sure, you're driven everybody crazy. And

735
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: every year we hear the room about Gus Melson maybe

736
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: on his last leg coaching hot seats, right, sure?

737
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

738
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: Is it warranted? Would they be better off moving on

739
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: without him?

740
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: No? I mean if they hire Urban Meyer or something, maybe,

741
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's locked up. I don't think

742
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: they're better off without him. It's whether Gus Malson is

743
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: better off without Auburn having to deal with all the noise.

744
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: Concept he he's bottling up a lot of stress.

745
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, he's got like the the ned Flanders. You know,

746
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: when he was spanked ten bajillion times as a kid

747
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: and represses all of his angst and then it all

748
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: comes out. There's a little bit of that to Gus Malson,

749
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: for sure, but their defense is incredible. They're starting a

750
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: true freshman who I think is okay. I don't you know.

751
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: He's not a world being or released right now. But

752
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: Auburn's in a pretty good place. I mean, if LSU's

753
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: the number one team in the country, they took him

754
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: to the wire in Baton Rouge. They lose to a

755
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: Florida team basical because Florida decided to run it for

756
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: three plays or something like that. I didn't take advantage

757
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: obviously of some freshman mistakes from bow Knicks. But the

758
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: organ win looks better, looks worse for Oregon, just that

759
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: they're able to beat teams in a more organized way now.

760
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: But I no, I am. I am not Malwana with

761
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: the idea that you can just move on from Gus

762
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: Malson and start dominating the iron ball. No, I'm not there.

763
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: Do we know if it's Malson or malls On more

764
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: because he.

765
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Said will Muschamp. I wanted to go wool must Champ.

766
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: Because I know Kirk Curve Street is squarely on the

767
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: malls On side of the fence.

768
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Is that true?

769
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: Every time he says it, it's malls On.

770
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: I haven't watched game day this year. I don't know.

771
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm a big Malson guy. I'm from Eastern PA. You

772
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: know how it is?

773
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: That's true, Mario, Mario, mm hmm. I'm with you.

774
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: It's a question of who would you get, who would

775
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: you rather? Beerhead football, Hush wants Urban Meyer, everyone wants

776
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: Bob's Stoop. So these big names from years past. Everyone

777
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: wants those guys, and I get it. But it's hard.

778
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: It's hard to lure those guys in. It's it's hard

779
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: to start from square one with any coach in the

780
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: SEC West. It's a tough conference. And Malason's been there.

781
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: He's had a lot of success in the past. Maybe

782
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: it hasn't been as frequent as Auburn fans would like,

783
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: but recruiting is still pretty strong. I think he's fielded

784
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: enough of a good offense in terms of just his

785
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: general resume that starting a true freshman quarterback gives him

786
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: some wiggle room. So I'm content to leave him there.

787
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: Make necessary tweaks, but not anything drastic, keep the ship

788
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: going in the right direction.

789
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: So we were decidedly both not Molana. We are not

790
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Malana here now next but Oklahoma State. Okay, So, Oklahoma

791
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: State in a bit of a changing year, starting a

792
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: red shirt freshman at quarterback, bringing a new offensive coordinator

793
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: from the IVY League. They have a standout at running back,

794
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: a game changing home run hitter type at running back,

795
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: suffer a significant loss to their number one receiver, and

796
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: still look like they could be in a decent enough position.

797
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: I want to verify by bringing up their schedule. They

798
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: go eight and four, couldn't they? Yeah? Sure, in a

799
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: changing year. They appear to be competitive in most, if

800
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: not all, of the games they play, and now losing

801
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: the way they did too. I think it was Baylor,

802
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: they lost comfortably. It was back and forth for a

803
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: good chunk. But that's not great because that was in

804
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: still Water. They had a shot against Texas losing at Lubbock,

805
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: and I think Texas Tech is interesting this year. But no,

806
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: I don't think. I couldn't imagine why this is Oklahoma State.

807
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Eight and four is fine if it's a down year.

808
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: They finished with what they have bedlum but they also

809
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: have Kansas and West Virginia, two teams that can be

810
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: pretty horrific. I'm not freaking out. I don't think there's

811
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: an emergency in Stillwater right now.

812
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 2: I think it'd be more likely that somebody would hire

813
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: Mike Gundy away than real Oklahoma State would. Yeah, Mike

814
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 2: Gundy's always got his name in the ring for something.

815
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his name comes out there. There's been

816
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: tension that's supposedly been smoothed over. Obviously t boone no

817
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: longer with us, so that is not a thing. But yeah,

818
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: I think they're fine. I think they on once healthy,

819
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: once Spencer Sanders gets a little more seasoning, they'll be fine.

820
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: Mike Gundy has this is.

821
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Not an overwhelming Big twelve at the time.

822
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: No, Mike Gundy has coached at Oklahoma State. This is

823
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: his fifteenth year, but in the fourteen previous seasons he

824
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: has made a Bowl game thirteen times. That is remarkable consistency.

825
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: But there should be a higher bar than that at

826
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: this point.

827
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: I would agree, Yeah.

828
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: They should not be losing more than four times.

829
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 2: I would agree with you. Yeah, Yeah, I would agree

830
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: with you. He's won a bunch of double digits in there, Yeah,

831
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: double digit seasons in there, But I don't know who

832
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: you go to to do better than that. That's a

833
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: high bar to clear if you're going.

834
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: To try and grell there's they're guys.

835
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: They're guys. But thirteen or fourteen previous seasons qualifying for

836
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: a Bowl is a high bar. It's tough to do

837
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: better than that.

838
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: So, oh, I don't think it's a high bar at

839
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: this point. It's a tough bar man for Oklahoma State.

840
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: They're either winning ten games or they're wearing like seven

841
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: or eight. Yeah, but not many people win double digit

842
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: games multiple times in short periods, so you want to

843
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: move on? No, No, I'm saying he's set up really

844
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: impressive bar, and there's no reason to think that somebody

845
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: else can themselves set an impressive bar.

846
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: So we're disagreeing on the bar, but not on the

847
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: fact that neither one of us is Mowana.

848
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should be winning eight and a half nine

849
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: games a year. This is Bowl is sick. Yes, I'm

850
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: not impressed by six at Oklahoma State anymore.

851
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: I think I agree that I'm not channeling in or

852
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: Mowana here.

853
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: No, ma Wana here? Come on?

854
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: What about Texas?

855
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: Uh? It Texas an interesting question. The offense has been

856
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: very good this year, and especially I've been impressed by

857
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: the emergence and progress in the run game, that they've

858
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: been able to lean on Kean to Ingram and not

859
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: just Sam Ellinger for everything. I like the receivers. The

860
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: line has been pretty good. I know nobody actually loves

861
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: their offensive line, no matter who you are, but yeah,

862
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: the problems have been injuries. The problem has been pass defense,

863
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: inconsistent pass rush. They've they've certainly gotten a lot better

864
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: against the run. I don't know if it's a scheme thing.

865
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a motivation thing. I don't

866
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: know if it's a recruiting thing. Their talent level is

867
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: extraordinarily high. Tom Herman has put together. I think last

868
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: year was a top five class, top ten class. So

869
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: even though I don't even love their offensive coordinator, I like,

870
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: I can't argue with the results from their offense. I

871
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: think it's been a defense and health thing, but I

872
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: think two years ago they had a top ten twelve defense.

873
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: I just there's nothing about me that's fully freaking out

874
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: about major staffing changes with Texas right now. I understand

875
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: the directions, not great. I understand that this year was

876
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: looked at as a We're going to grow on the

877
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: Sugar Bowl win over Georgia last year, build on that.

878
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: They haven't done that, they had not dumbed into and

879
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: they've had injuries. But everybody has injuries.

880
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: Everyone has injuries, and we should really well, we should

881
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: really reserve the right to come back and answer this

882
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: question in the post sam Ellinger era. Yeah, Sam Ellinger

883
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 2: has papered over a lot. Let's come back and talk

884
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: after he's gone midway through the year, and we'll see

885
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: what happens. I'm only going to do that final one here.

886
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut out TCU because I threw that

887
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: on just for the hell of it. I don't know

888
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: if either one of us wants to be Mowana at TCU. No,

889
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: I'm okay, what about Virginia Tech? Last year?

890
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: We spilled enough purple blood on this show.

891
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Virginia Tech.

892
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, this one's interesting to me. So they're going

893
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: to hire a new defensive coordinator or a promote. I

894
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's already been announced what's happening there,

895
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: But Bud Foster's done. I believe he's getting a statue

896
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: as he should. They've had quarterback issues basically every year.

897
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: It's been sort of patchwork, and now finally it seems

898
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: like and sometimes Patrick good, sometimes Patrick not so good.

899
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: It seems like they have a dude in Hendon Hooker.

900
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: It feels like they're trending in a good direction, doesn't it.

901
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, they fully embarrassed themselves against Duke. They've recruited, They've

902
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: been what a top four or five team recruiting wise

903
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: in the ACC. The defense hasn't been great, but they

904
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to as old people should be doing

905
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: with their routers. Just relax and reboot. That's what they're doing.

906
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be okay, and they're not. They're

907
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna pay justin fent day fifteen million dollars

908
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: that way. They're not doing that.

909
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: So maybe to a lesser degree of Mowana with the defense.

910
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're they're hiring somebody now that's already it's

911
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: been decided. This isn't me going out on any sort

912
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: of limbs.

913
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: Pretty baked into the cake.

914
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I agree with we know we're mowana.

915
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm with you here. Okay, all right,

916
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 2: So we're Mowana with a couple of schools here, certainly

917
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: Michigan State and USC and they just.

918
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Don't lose to Virginia. Yeah, win, they could win the

919
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: Coastal South Carolina, be a favorite to win the Coastal.

920
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: Northwestern to some extent.

921
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well we'll play one more time.

922
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: Just for just for inspiration out there, if you're in

923
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: the car with the kids.

924
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: Was this like your did this do something to your

925
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: brain that other recent Disney or picks our movies haven't done.

926
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: I listen to an episode of My Brother, My Brother

927
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: and Me. Okay, I believe, and I could be mistaken.

928
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: At least two of the three hosts have kids. I

929
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 2: do not, but at once all do they all have them? Now? Okay?

930
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

931
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: At one point, one of the maclroy brothers talked about

932
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: how this is the kind of movie that you watch

933
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: with your kids and then you find yourself at some

934
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: inopportune time screaming out, I am Mawana and I don't

935
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: have kids. I just have a dog. But I found

936
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: myself after watching this feeling that that deep need to

937
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: just just get it out, you know. Really. Yeah, So

938
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: this movie, this movie touched me very deep inside. And

939
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: since we are going with the two's cruise and nautical

940
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: theme here, I figure why not?

941
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't do that for me. I thought it

942
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: was fine. I haven't thought about it that much since.

943
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: It took me. It took me weeks of trying to

944
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: figure out how we could work this into a college

945
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: football podcast.

946
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: But I did it.

947
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: I feel like I'd done it.

948
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: Cocoa guy, I am a wally, I'm a rat tattoo

949
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: very excu in that direction. Okay, real quick, because we

950
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: are in this mode of everybody trying to figure out

951
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: who the best four teams are. We don't need to

952
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: figure out who the best four teams are, but let's

953
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: we can figure out tears, and we can figure out

954
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: who the most venomous, who the most dangerous? Who is

955
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: our ringed blue octopi? Who are our blue octopie?

956
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: What is that creature?

957
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: What is that? So it is a very small octopus

958
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: that has enough venom. It's found between Australia and Tokyo

959
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: in the Pacific and Indian oceans or Japan that it

960
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: has enough venom in its body to kill up to

961
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: twenty six humans. Per my very quick research, and it

962
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: is very beautiful. So who is your beautiful venomous team

963
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: or teams that exist in college football right now? Who

964
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: has that five to eight inches of fury? I am

965
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: leaving that in the show. Leaving that in the show obviously.

966
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: I think Ohio State and LSU. Yes, where we can

967
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: consider OCTOPI beautiful and venomous. Yes, is somebody that lethal

968
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: and beautiful after those two teams?

969
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: Uh, Clemson? To me, Clemson hasn't been as they haven't

970
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: been as flashy this year. But I think on a

971
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: big stage is when you're gonna see it. I know

972
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 2: that's I know that's a leap of faith, but.

973
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: Right they've done they do this every year.

974
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: They do this every year.

975
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: Somebody. Yeah, yeah, maybe even lose a game Syracuse pit

976
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: somebody like that. See. I think I have them as

977
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: more of an orchetype. I know I didn't give you

978
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: that option. Okay, like their food, they're they're they're an

979
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: apex predator, but sometimes they're a little too smart for

980
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: their own good. They like playing with their food and

981
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: drawing out the excellence.

982
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: Okay, well, fine, so you're saying a team that just

983
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: kills you right away, or yes, a team that wounds

984
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 2: you deeply and plays with you until you eventually arrive

985
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: at a torture.

986
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Laid out correct and like if you want to say

987
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: a great white shark or something like that, fine for LSU,

988
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: Ohio State, even Alabama, the best of Alabama, that's how

989
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: they win. But I like the ring to blue octopi,

990
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: the blue.

991
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: Ring blue octopi octopus. Yeah, I think it's blue ringed. Yes,

992
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: blue ringed. I think Ohio State and LSU are in

993
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: that class. And before some of the issues we've seen,

994
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: you want to say that with Oklahoma they kind of

995
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: felt in that class as well, but certainly after losing

996
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 2: the Case State, you can't say it. They almost lost

997
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: his past week to Iowa State, so they're no longer

998
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: in that class.

999
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Well, Oklahoma is still sustaining damage. When they're scoring fifty eight,

1000
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: they're winning fifty eight twenty n repeated small attacks a

1001
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: la piranha. I'm going to put Georgia and Oregon both

1002
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: in that category. Ultimately, pretty it's not the blunt force,

1003
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: it's not the huge sting. Both of those teams grinding

1004
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: it out. Not a lot of success downfield all the time.

1005
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Although Lawrence Cajor has changed that one and a half

1006
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: time as a game for Georgia. But that's how that's

1007
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: my equation for those two teams. I don't think they

1008
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: have the the apex excellence.

1009
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: No, I mean others do, and Georgia is probably a

1010
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: really good example of that. A lot of paper cuts,

1011
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: a lot of paper cuts when you play Jeordia. They're

1012
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: very funny, sound, yeah, very good on defense, a great

1013
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: quarterback and Jake from not a ton of chances down

1014
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: the field, not a ton of explosiveness, so they have

1015
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: explosive players. It just is an offense that feels very

1016
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: close to the vest. And look no further than the

1017
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 2: game we saw last week against Missouri twenty seven to nothing.

1018
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 2: Just a lot of like underwhelming stuff on offense, very

1019
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: good on defense. But I think I'm with you. You

1020
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 2: would know Oregon better than me. From what I've seen

1021
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: of the Ducks, I think I think it fits.

1022
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're evolving. I think they're going to be throwing

1023
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: it more and more, and I think Justin Herbert might

1024
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: even be like keeping it or running himself more and

1025
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: more rather than the sort of grind that they've turned

1026
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: to of offense. But yeah, ultimately I think there's a

1027
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of that wrapped into their identity.

1028
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: Okay, where do we come down on schools like Minnesota

1029
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: and schools Yeah, glad you asked.

1030
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: Seemingly small, maybe even cute or cool story in Minnesota.

1031
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: Get them as a lionfish, not deadly, but they'll bite,

1032
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: they'll sting, they'll do some damage.

1033
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: I was really impressed by what we saw at in

1034
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: Minnesota this past week. And I know we sort of differ.

1035
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: Our opinion differs on how excited we should or shouldn't

1036
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: be after that Penn State win.

1037
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: But you have them banishing Penn State to all damnation,

1038
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: for all eternity that they don't deserve to play football anymore.

1039
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I think Penn State, I thought that was competitive.

1040
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: I just thought they completely outclass Penn State. Okay, and

1041
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: certainly in the first half the offense was near perfect

1042
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: in the first half, Yeah, no doubt about it. Second

1043
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: half out about it, no doubt about it. Do the

1044
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 2: McElroy thing right, like, yeah, no doubt about it. But

1045
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: second half they played a little bit more ball control.

1046
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: They tried to run the clock. We know what happens

1047
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: to a lot of teams and you try to play

1048
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: that style of offense, I can come back to bite

1049
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: you Dropton twice real quick. Yeah, this is true. I

1050
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: just came away very impressed by Minnesota. I still do

1051
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: not think that their playoff worthy. But okay, but we've

1052
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: got games yet on the schedule against Iowa, against and

1053
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: I guess Wisconsin.

1054
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: Excuse me, So can they do anything to those teams

1055
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: in victory? Go through this season unscathed twelve and l

1056
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: Can they do anything to make you feel like they

1057
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: will hang around with or edge out Ohio State. If

1058
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State is the team that ends up, which I

1059
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: think they will in the Big Ten Championship game, I

1060
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: can they become what Northwestern was in the first half

1061
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: last year? Can they become what Wisconsin was a couple

1062
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: of years ago. I don't know what I can like

1063
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: if they beat Wisconsin or Iowa like forty eight to ten.

1064
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 2: I think it would have to be a situation where

1065
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: they scored like fifty points against Wisconsin something like that,

1066
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: because I don't think maybe Penn State, although I probably

1067
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't use Penn State as an example because Minnesota threw

1068
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: all over them. But I'm just trying to think of

1069
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: another defense that's going to go up against Ohio State

1070
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: that I feel confident can contain them. The offense is

1071
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: just so good right now. They're so good on both

1072
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: sides of the ball, really, but offensively they're so good.

1073
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's another defense out there that

1074
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: can really contain them. And what I would need to

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Speaker 2: see from Minnesota or really any team that can beat

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Speaker 2: Ohio State is the ability to score a lot of points,

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Speaker 2: a lot of points quickly. Sure, and we saw flashes

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Speaker 2: of that against Penn State, certainly in the past game.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen yards per pass for Tanner Morgan.

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Speaker 1: So how much closer is Minnesota to Penn State, to

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Speaker 1: the class of the Big Ten winning the Big Ten?

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Speaker 1: Based solely on the Penn State game? Are they dramatically

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00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: are they appreciably closer to beating Penn State thirty five

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Speaker 1: thirty one in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Or Ohio State thirty five?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? Yeah they beat if that being yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know what, the way, with the result that happened already

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00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: Penn State lost to Minnesota, there is Minnesota appreciably closer

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Speaker 1: in your mind because of that win to Ohio.

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Speaker 2: I would I would say yes. And here's why. Oftentimes,

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Speaker 2: when you've got a team like a Minnesota who you know,

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: through no fault of their own, has not played anybody

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00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: so far this season. There is this they play Penn

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00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: State now, they play Pitt State now, but before Penn

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00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: State they don't played anybody. There is always sort of

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00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: this notion that it's smoking mirrors, or that they're doing

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00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: it and they're getting lucky, and honestly, kind of a

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: little bit like what we're seeing going on with Baylor,

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Speaker 2: that did not happened at all against Penn State. They

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00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: came in, they were loaded for bear optimal situation for

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: them at home, big game. It's a lot working in

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Speaker 2: their favor, but nothing of that win felt like it

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00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: was smoking mirrors. So yeah, in that sense, I do

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Speaker 2: feel like they're closer to maybe contending with a team

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Speaker 2: like Ohio State. I still don't think they can beat them,

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00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: but I was very impressed by that win.

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Speaker 1: Will what Penn State looks like moving forward characterize your

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00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: view of Minnesota?

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Speaker 2: Probably? Yes.

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Speaker 1: So they they finished with Indiana, Ohio State, Rutgers. If

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Speaker 1: Indiana is really close, if they sneak by Indiana, if

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Speaker 1: they get the doors blown off of them in Columbus,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, game, Yes, forty one seventeen. Yes, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're downgrading Minnesota a little bit. Yeah, okay,

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: but it's still an incredible the Minnesota story, an incredible year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, that's a tough hang, Ohio State,

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00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: it's a tough hang.

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Speaker 2: It is. Anybody else who want to make mention of here?

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Speaker 1: Huh, Yeah, let's make mention of Utah. Because Utah has

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Speaker 1: the defense and they have the quarterback, and that's something

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: at least I've talked about as being that does it

1122
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: for me, that seduces me. If you have a combination

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: of defense and quarterback, then you are a serious playoff team.

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00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: They lose in wonky fashion on the road to USC

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Speaker 1: but otherwise they didn't play really anybody in the non

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00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: conference part portion of their schedule. But they've looked very

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00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: strong against teams that they should look very strong against.

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Speaker 1: So I have them sort of they're laying in wait,

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit disguised. People are forgetting about them,

1130
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: little stonefish that looks like the seafloor poisonous, high poisonous.

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Speaker 1: How seriously should we be taking Utah right now? Because

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00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: that's a good combination and I don't know what Tyler

1133
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: Heuntley's leg health is right now, but they're just comfortably

1134
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: beating everybody. They're leaving no doubt and I'm impressed by that.

1135
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Speaker 1: And they played Altitude, which is another tough.

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Speaker 2: They do play altitude.

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Speaker 1: How seriously should we be taking Utah?

1138
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Speaker 2: I think pretty seriously. I think pretty seriously. And my

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Speaker 2: question to you was, how you feel Oregon against Utah

1140
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Speaker 2: if that is the eventual PAC twelve championship game?

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: Right, I think Oregon probably has the edge because I

1142
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: think they're a little bit more complete outside of I

1143
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: guess offensive skill. I don't love Utah's collection of running

1144
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: backs and receivers, but I don't love Oregons.

1145
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: Zach Moss breaking all sorts of records.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the best of Justin Herbert might still

1147
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: be the better than the best of Tyler Huntley. But

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 1: Tyler hunt has not a better year, so I would

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01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: on a neutral field, I think Oregon will travel well

1150
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: for that game. So I think I give a slight

1151
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: edge to Oregon. But I think it's one A, one

1152
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: B to make. It's a really good football game. If

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: they play. Utah closes out with UCLA Arizona Colorado. I

1154
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: don't see a threat there. So Utah conceivable would beat

1155
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Speaker 1: a an eleven and one Oregon team if they went out,

1156
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: and same goes for Oregon and eleven and one team.

1157
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Speaker 2: No, now I think I think Utah real dangerous, is

1158
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: very dangerous. I'm not looking past the UCLA game, though,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about it.

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Speaker 1: That's this week, right, we'll talk more about it. Not

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01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: looking past that one quite yet, right, okay, but I

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01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: like u Tah, like you to all up, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Daniel, We have droned on for more than an hour. Now,

1164
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, let's stop most of it to the

1165
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: tune of Iam Mowana.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. Duck hoa chahuana? Is that what works?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what you're calling it. I'm sticking with Iam Mowana.

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Speaker 2: People can people can weigh in solid verbot gmail dot com.

1169
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 2: They can tweet us, they can send us Facebook messages

1170
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: or Instagram messages, signal messages far a way for one,

1171
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: if you've got such a app on your phone. Mm hmm,

1172
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: any which way contact us let us know what you think.

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01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to our two's cruise a whoy

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01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: here on the verbal my voice is all out of Juice.

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Speaker 1: Dan, great, you left it all on the field, digital audio.

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Speaker 2: Field, any parting shots here.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's all I have. That's everything. I'm sped.

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Speaker 2: I am as well. Thank you so much to everyone

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Speaker 2: out there for listening to the two's cruise. We will

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Speaker 2: be back on Thursday to preview all the week told action.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, for that guy over there, Lieutenant Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, Captain Tyhood and Rant, talk to you soon.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,