WEBVTT - 28 years later: Everything you need to prep! 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:06.640 Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for the twenty eight Later franchise, 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.520 both twenty eight days Later and it's sequel twenty eight 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:10.319 weeks later. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:12.720 I just like twenty eight later, though, that's all I 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.520 call it. Twenty eight guys, twenty eight Later, twenty eight 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:16.560 l NFE. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.080 Hello, it is Jason Concepcion and I'm mersday Night and 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.040 welcome back to x ray Vision of the podcast where 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.000 we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics and 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.599 pop culture coming to you from ir Heart Podcast, where 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:44.600 we'll bring you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Thursday 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:45.479 or Friday. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.560 In today's episode, as we hinted in the spoiler zone, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.240 we're not going into the alock today. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.360 We're going into the quarantine zone. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.360 Recapping twenty days later, the honestly radical zombie hit that 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.760 Dan fated the genre and it's rather successful sequel twenty 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.440 eight weeks later, which Carmen will. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.400 Tell you is her favorite of the two. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.960 And then we are going to have the Zomnibus. 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.720 Jason is digging deep into zombie law. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.120 What do zombies represent in our society and how have 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.800 they changed over the years, and how does that tie 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.039 into the twenty. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.800 Eight years weeks and soon to be a months. No, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.759 those three will work together the twenty eight L franchise. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.080 How do they tie in? You will find out, But 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.760 first let's talk about twenty eight days later. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.080 Okay, Rosie, take us through to twenty eight L movies, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.240 okaying out as we prepare for twenty eight years later. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.720 And I think it's only right and proper that you 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.160 do this as this is said in your home Yes, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:54.600 I land down your home country's going to. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.440 Be giving you some some British insights, some hints. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.680 At what what you may be seeing and how the 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.360 movies were made. 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.880 Also, Jason, first let me quickly ask you, do you 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.640 remember the first time you watched this movie? 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.720 For sure, I saw it. I saw it in the 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:10.360 movie theater. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:11.120 M hmm. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.040 I think I was aware that it was dimly aware 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:18.000 that it was a zombie film, but it just looked 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.280 more like a dystopian, you know, Fall of Society kind 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.920 of film, and I was like, I gotta go see it. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.760 I saw it, and I was blown away. It really 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:27.360 stuck with me. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.320 Yeah, It's one of definitely one of those movies where 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:34.280 I think at the time it felt essentially like revolutionary. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.680 Yeah, and it's. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.160 One of it feels so different because it was shot 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.880 it's mostly on mini DV cameras. The new movie, as 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.960 many people have talked about, is going to be shot 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:50.079 predominantly on iPhones and that we've seen some crazy iPhone 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:51.799 rigs that Danny has. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:57.040 Been creating, these sixty rigs that like shoot a character 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:02.000 from almost a full semi circle in front of them. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.440 It's pretty insane. Yeah, And the mini DV tech is 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:10.720 very interesting because that was basically consumer level technology, like 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.440 not thought of as like a pro sin camera exactly, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:19.960 and it gives you this very grainy, very textured look 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.120 that I think is it's weirdly divisive. Now. I've seen 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:28.160 people talk about it when when watching the film on 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.480 you know, twenty twenty five television say why does this 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.600 movie look like shit? I have to say, like, at 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.400 the time, on the big screen, it felt more real 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:43.120 because of the mini DV. It felt authentic and almost 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.280 more documentarian. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.160 Yes, exactly, I think it felt like that kind of 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.040 shaky cam but pre Jason Bourne. And it was very 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:58.200 horror and also obviously our biggest zombie movies up until 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.280 this point, and zombie kind of of. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:02.960 Media in general. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.880 Are the Sam Rami movies and those were obviously made 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.280 on especially Evil Dead. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.640 Oh no, yeah, sorry, we have the Georgi ra Merra. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.080 Movies obviously beautiful, Night of the Living Dead, everything else. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.560 Then we have Sam Raimi's Evil Dead and those both. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.440 Movies were made with a low budget, with you know, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:28.240 limited technology, limited money. So this continues that trend, honestly, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.000 and as we will get into the sequels, continue the 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.240 trend of kind of then expanding out that world in 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.039 that budget. But yes, twenty eight days later, let us begin, 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:40.800 in classic British fashion, twenty eight days later begins thanks 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:45.240 to the horrific reality of animal rights activists, something that 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.679 for some reason British people just like really get pissed 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:48.960 off about. There's a lot of them, there's a lot 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.160 of bit's interesting. Yeah, there's a lot of animal testing 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.360 in England, so definitely this is kind of a leftover 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.520 of that kind of There was a lot of anti 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.400 nuclear protests in England, learn a lot of direct action 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.160 groups in the eighties and nineties who were breaking into 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.560 animal testing facilities. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:06.520 So I thought that was. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:11.640 A really funny kind of time capsule moment. And when 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.359 that very direct action group breaks into a testing facility. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:19.080 They accidentally unleash the rage virus on the world thanks 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.160 to as far as I could tell, a chimpanzee who 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.640 has been forced to watch videos of riots, violence and 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:25.799 cars being set on fire. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:26.920 He's really going. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.719 Through it, yes, that poor chimpanzee. And they do try 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:34.880 to warn him, they say, hey, come on, guys, this 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.560 guy's got the rage virus, but she doesn't listen. She's 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:42.800 got to let him free, and so the virus begins 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:44.279 and it's. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.040 Not going well. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.719 But we don't learn very much about that until twenty 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.920 eight days later. Wink Wink, Silly and Murphy's bike courier, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.960 Jim an that's a very London job as well to 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:57.600 be a bike career. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:05:59.360 Jim wakes up in. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.200 A deserted hospital on the bank of the River Thames 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:08.000 and takes a now iconic and still very impressive, impressive 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:14.040 empty walk for like fifteen minutes runtime through a deserted 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.559 London and the abandoned kind of landmarks like Big Ben 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.360 and the Houses of Parliament. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:19.640 And Oxford Tree. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.000 It's unbelievable to kind of see what they were able 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:23.360 to do. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.640 It's really really impressive. If you watch the director commentary 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.160 or have written any interviews about this. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:29.680 Mm hmm. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.120 Boyle talks about how they did it. They had to 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.279 collect these shots over the course of several weeks at 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.159 very early in the morning, mostly weekends. We would be 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.799 the least traffic, and they would just kind of hold 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.880 up whatever traffic there was, so silly and Murphy could 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.000 kind of walk across frame. They'd get the shot with 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.520 nothing in the background. Crazy, then the world would start 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.680 up again. Really really impressive. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:53.360 Yeah, I think about that a lot. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.800 And also like this was this was actually movie was 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.040 made pre nine to eleven, so. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.440 They during the film. Yeah, so they were. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.279 Able They were basically able to shut down Whitehall to 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.120 They bought a bus that they turned over in front 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.240 of Downing Street, which is where the Prime Minister lives, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.240 and they were able to just quickly do it, get 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.640 the shot in thirty minutes of him walking past, get 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.120 it away. It's like really kind of crazy, almost like 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.680 gorilla filmmaking, like Werner Herzog does, but in a kind 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.680 of genre space. Interestingly, as well as we get more 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.640 into like the infected and the notion of the monsters 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.560 in this movie, they are also not your average zombies 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.280 at this point, so as the viewer and Jim learn 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.880 that there has been kind of a complete societal collapse 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.840 thanks to a number of very fun world building techniques 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.520 like these kind of missing flyers and torn newspapers, and 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.480 Jim ends up being attacked by the first human rage 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:57.560 virus victim that we meet, and he's terrifying and at 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.760 the time completely original. Kind of monsters were not originally 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.440 intended to be zombies. It was kind of this new 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:10.440 idea of a rage infection. But Danny Boyle and Alex Garland, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.960 whatever they wished was kind of superseded by the fact 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.600 that this would reinvigorate the entire zombie movie and also 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.560 zombie media genre, because after this, you get the Walking 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.440 Dead comic, you get the Walking Dead TV show. Zombies 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.000 become the genre, you get the Dawn of the Dead remake. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.040 A great movie, and it's a really interesting thing because. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.120 This movie is, as you said, you know, it. 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.440 Does not necessarily look like the most high definition kind 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.720 of like restart of a full subgenre, but there was 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.520 something raw and authentic and scary, and before we got 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.959 on MIC, we were actually talking about, you know, movies 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.880 that scared us and blow which project came up. And 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.040 I think this is in that same space where if 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.360 you were young enough, you could have watched this and 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.680 been like, oh my god, like is this real? 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.320 You know, is this real? Like that thing? Yeah. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.520 So Jim he is about to be killed by the infected. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:07.880 That would be the end of his story, but he 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.840 is saved by two survivors, Nomi Harris, who, by the way, 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.520 this movie has like an unbelievable cast list truly h 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.160 Selena and Noah Huntley's Mark, who squirrel him away inside 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.040 a shop on the now destroyed local high street. Soon, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.800 Jim convinces them to go on a mission to his parents' 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:26.559 house in Deptford, which, by the way, is like really 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:27.680 fast stupid mission. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.920 Wow, So how far? How far is that like walking? 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.439 Okay, So if you're on like. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.959 Waterloo Bridge area and you're going to like South London, 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.040 I mean walking, you're talking about like two or three 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.800 hours like minimum, and I would think actually longer. He 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.600 gets there quickly realizes that his parents killed themselves. Rather 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.120 than kind of face down the rat the infected, we see. 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.280 Him watch a home video of them. Again. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.800 I feel like this is a very bleak kind of 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.360 depressing take on zombies that would go on to be 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.600 very influential on like what we see in The Walking 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.360 Dead and what we see about the way that humans 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.000 react to these horrible crises, and the kind of fact 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.559 that a lot of times humans are the more dangerous factor. 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.920 During an attack on the house by the infected, Mark 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.559 is killed rip Mark, and he's killed by Selena because 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.080 he gets wounded, and she is just like fuck you, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.600 shoots him in the head and. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.760 She just goes crazy on him. Well I think she does. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:30.040 She not. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.000 I think she hacks him up with him hicks him up. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.160 With it incredible even better, That's that's I'm used to. 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.560 I'm so used to American zombies now that she becomes 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:39.960 the most. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:42.120 I mean, that is a heartbreaking moment where he says 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.480 like he's like, hold on, just get wait a second, 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.440 let me see if I turn because he's got the bite, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:48.360 it's bleeding on his arm. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.280 Yeah, and he was protecting them too. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:50.960 Yeah. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:56.079 She just like hacks him up ruthlessly and then turns 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.280 to Gym and says you are next, like, I will 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.120 do that shit if you are big, you no question. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.640 And now the roving survival party is down to two. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.320 Not for long though, as they are joined by two 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:12.600 more survivors, Brendan Gleeson's Frank again unbelievable and young British 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:18.960 actor and my former roommate Meghan Burns. Yes, this was Hannah. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:19.360 Hannah. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.240 Hannah was my roommate. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:23.640 She was also a very cool a musician. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:24.600 Now she she. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:28.360 Was a very cool musician called Betty Curse, and I 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.920 met her through my lovely friend Charlotte. And now Meghan 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.960 is actually a band manager in. 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.360 Her own right. But yes, she's very young in this movie. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.280 He was handpicked by Danny Boyle and has like a 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:46.000 really kind of scary and cool role as it rolls 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:46.920 out for a young actor. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.640 Because things get really messed up from here. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.080 Frank has heard a broadcast from Manchester claiming that there's 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.760 some military barracks and they're safe and there's potential cure, 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.559 and so they decide that they're gonna head to Manchester 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.680 again very far. I feel like this is one of 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.600 the things that I would encourage in a zombie apocalypse 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.600 and in a zombie in general. I was like, don't 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.199 be trying to like go really far. It's gonna end up. 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.560 You're gonna end up in trouble, but hilariously, their journey 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.960 is actually not that bad. And again another really famous 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:26.120 sequence there is where we get the drive through the 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:30.719 moat that empty motorways England, which are just like essentially 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.360 like our highways, but we don't have them in every city. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.520 They kind of join. They're like the veins of England 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.160 that join all the cities together. And these were TV 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.640 shots that were again those kind of like pause the traffic, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.760 get what we can move on, and that is some 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:46.880 of the most impressive. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.080 London to Manchester, how long? 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.640 Oh baby? On a train because I don't drive. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.520 Oh a drive is like a solid four hour drive okay, and. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.920 The train it's like I've done, like it's been like 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:02.640 three hours. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.120 I would say, Holy, you could drive in in maybe 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.199 like three hours if you were driving really fast and 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.920 there was no traffic. And somehow they do manage to 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.800 make it to Manchester in one piece in Frank's taxi. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:20.719 But once they arrive there, the barracks seem empty and 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.520 we get this. Really I love this moment because it's 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.680 so movie ish, but it's also like you can so 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:26.760 imagine it happening. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.959 Frank right, Frank sees it at barrack's empty. He's pissed off. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.360 He starts kicking the wall and. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:37.320 Like a blood a drop of blood from an infected 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.880 who's like on the wall, like falls. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:40.400 Into his eye. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:41.960 Oh that's so crazy. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.600 Yeah, I'm like, it seems like it would never happen. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.560 But if you've ever got like a splinter under your 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:49.000 nail or something that should never have been there, you're like, okay, 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.040 I could, I could see it. And a last Frank, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.600 he's dead because you can't survive. You've gotta be killed. 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.920 That's the only option. And now without Frank, who was 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.199 you know, kind of in the know that something strange 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.480 was going on, Jim, Selena and Hannah are left at 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.920 the whims of Christopher Eggleston, another fantastic British actor, as 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:15.400 Mayor Major Henry West, who has been broadcasting his claims 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.600 of a cure in a safe place in order to 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.440 lure women to the barracks so that in his greater 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.960 plan he can basically be like, I need to repopulate 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.600 the country. But really he means like you're going to 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.760 be my sexual slaves. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.160 For mean some type exactly. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.840 Very like he must spread his seed and obviously that's terrifying. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:43.080 I remember this reveal feeling so like shocking, yes when 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.400 I first watched it, and I think something that's really 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:50.400 interesting about it is that it leans very heavily into 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.240 something that, as I kind of mentioned earlier, the Walking 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:57.600 Dead and these zombie projects that World War was he 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.400 would kind of lean into, which is, yeah, the zombies 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.320 are bad, but the humans are oftentimes worse because they 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.280 can control their behavior, but they. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:07.800 Choose not to. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:13.000 So Jim is obviously less than happy about that, and 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.880 along with another soldier who agrees that who disagrees and 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.640 won't go along with the plan, is sentenced to death. 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.600 But thanks to an argument between some of the kind 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.600 of ever fracturing group of soldiers who are like incredibly hungry, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.920 who are under the watchful eye of this insane man, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.400 Jim is able to escape and we get this moment again, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.080 another moment that I think about a lot, which is 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.520 he sees like the trail of a plane in the 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.520 sky and it kind of reinvigorates him to remember that, like, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.400 if there's a plane in the sky, the world must 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:52.520 be going on somewhere, and he is able to essentially 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.800 lure away West Freeze an infected soldier that they'd been 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.400 keeping prisoner, which I always think, like, okay, so they 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.800 were experimenting on the prisoner, so maybe at some point 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.920 there was some truth to the idea of the trying 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.800 to find the cure. But then they realize, like, we 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.080 don't know what we're doing, so let's just like assault 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.960 some women because that's fun and there's no laws, and 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.960 they get into the car make at their escape, and 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.400 I really this moment is such a classic horror moment, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.400 which I think is really funny because the rest of 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:27.720 the movie is very unconventional. But essentially we end up 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.320 in a situation where West is actually hiding in the 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.120 backseat of the car, so you think that they're safely away, 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:38.040 and then he pops up shoots Jim. But then Nomi 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.920 Harris's Selena makes a great move where she kind of 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.480 throws the car back by breaking it and flings him 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.720 through the back window, and he's he's killed. Allah, you 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.120 know the t Rex and Jurassic Park. Now the infected 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.760 is helping and he's going. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:53.920 To become the next meal. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.320 And hilariously, watching this movie, I was surprised by how 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.200 much of it I kind of did remember or what 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.040 really stuck with me. But the final sequence I think 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.199 is the thing that to me really defines this movie, 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:10.040 which is another twenty eight days later, we joined Jim's 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:14.399 He's recovering Selena and Hannah and they are in a 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:19.040 small cottage. Yeah, and it's kind of this very cozy 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.959 English like off tract. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:25.720 You I would say, like the Cotswolds or something. But 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.560 I also, like, I am from London, so I have. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.720 No idea, like I am not good at geography, even 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.439 British geography. But you know, somewhere I would say, like 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.359 somewhere that a rich person would probably have like a 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.760 weekend home, and every time Nabors visit there, the locals 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.800 would be like Callipiste off because the locals are probably 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.280 like miners and shit. And they kind of see a 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.520 plane fly over and we see them unfurl this huge 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:58.280 banner that says hello, and the pilot seems to spot them, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:04.040 offering up like hopeful ending for what would become, you know, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.560 one of the bleakest kind of big budget smash. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.320 It's the movie was made for you know, very. 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:15.120 Very very very minimal amount of money and ended up 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.960 going on to make in England. It made you know, 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.959 it was relatively successful. The movie was cost eight million dollars. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.160 In England it made six million, which is pretty good. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.600 But in America it made forty five million, and soon 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:31.639 you know it would go on to make over eighty 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.680 million dollars. So yeah, that's twenty eight days later. It's 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.879 a very good movie. And it hasn't been streaming for 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.480 a very long time, but very long series of rights issues. 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.840 But it is currently streaming for free with ads on 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:50.120 Pluto TV, and you can buy it or download it 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.920 on demand wherever if you are in it's so inclined. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.880 Twenty eight weeks later though, it's streaming on. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.959 Hulu and Cormond's favorite. 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.439 It's her favorite. She thinks it's really good, okay, so 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.640 twenty eight weeks late. This is very interesting because they 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.399 choose to begin during the original outbreak in a small 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.080 English town this time, I would say more like, I 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.560 don't know, like Burnley or somewhere. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.160 I think my family's from up north, so I'm guessing. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.840 But where Robert Carlile's Don and his wife Alice are 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.640 surviving alongside some neighbors. It's kind of a fractured survival. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.040 But interestingly, something that they continue. Here is kind of 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.680 this establishment of like an old school technology, the way 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.359 that you know, videotapes, stuff like that. We see that 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.960 in twenty eight days later as Jim watches the video 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.560 of his family. We've seen it in the trailers for 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.399 twenty eight years later where the kids are watching videos 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:45.320 of the Teletubbies. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.480 So I think that kind of low. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.520 Technology is being brought back in the new one, which 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:51.280 I really love. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.240 But their kind. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:59.520 Of very shaky safety is put at risk when a 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.880 young born he starts knocking at the door. His wife 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.359 cannot ignore the young boy because they have children and 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:08.280 they don't know where they are. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:10.400 And Don is like, please. 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.320 Don't let in this kid, like we know how this 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.840 is gonna go down. The kid gets let in, the 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.639 infected take over the house, and soon I have to 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.159 say Don not a good husband, because he leaves his 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.240 wife like he just wither quickness without the quickness, like 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.760 she's eaten in the house. 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:37.200 There is at least some true anguish that crosses his face, 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.640 but he hesitates for like half a second and then 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.600 he is like sorry, babe, yeah out yeah. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.560 He's like he's like I can't do it, My love, 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:47.960 like it's not happening for me. 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:48.920 I'm gone for the boat. 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:50.000 I gotta go for the boat. 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.480 And then I think that we get something here that 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.600 is a really interesting Again, these are movies that I 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.920 think are very shaped by the technology of the time 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.879 and also the way that you could utilize technology that 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.080 was just becoming accessible to kind of lower budget filmmakers, 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.680 because we get that instantly recognizable drone shot where even 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.240 if you haven't seen this movie, you probably have seen 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:15.560 Robert kyle Le running across the grass the kind of 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:17.000 British countryside to. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:17.639 Get to the boat. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:22.200 He's got a drone shot following him. It's super surreal 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.080 and shaky, and yes, he gets to the boat and 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.840 he embarks on a new journey and we'll join him 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.000 there twenty eight weeks later, Bae. 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.240 Imagine that. I love the way that they use. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.760 The actual timing in the movies is never endingly hilarious 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:54.800 to me. So in a classic Hollywood sequel move I 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.800 feel Here. The film introduces us to an England that 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.280 has essentially been taken over by NATO after the seeming 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.200 starvation death of the effect infected where they couldn't eat enough, 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:09.600 they've started to die out, and the US government is 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.640 now essentially trying to rebuild Britain along with its NATO partners, 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:15.760 and keep the rest of the world safe, keep the 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.600 infected inside Britain if there are any left, and work 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:20.400 out stuff like. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.720 What happens to their dead bodies and. 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.600 How you know, basically classic science stuff, and something I 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.320 didn't get to mention in my recap of the first 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.400 movie that I forgot twenty eight days later does fit 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.560 in to something that we have been calling the Jurassic 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.480 Park Coralie, which is like, look, man, if you think 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:45.359 they say that the first one is a science fiction movie, 0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:48.160 but in the first five minutes they basically explained the science, 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.040 so maybe it is. This one is definitely more interested 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.760 in that wider post apocalyptic science fiction horror kind of 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.840 mash up. The tone is very different, and in the 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:03.399 NATO safe zone we meet Don's kids, Tammy and Andy, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.000 who have somehow survived. Good for them, young Imagen Poots 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.440 here she is in many movies that you will see 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.760 and only seems to be getting into more now, another 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.879 great British actress, and they end up Tammy and Andy 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:21.639 somehow being the first children let into this zone that 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:23.000 they call District one. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.639 Rose Byrne doing a very funny American accent here like 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:29.920 she's she's too. 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.160 It's just there's something about it that sounds like very 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:40.040 like I'm an American doing a military like serious voice. 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.639 And she's very angry because she's like, wait a minute, 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:45.239 why are their kids here? 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:46.760 We don't know what to do with kids. 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.000 We don't know how kids are going to respond to 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:50.000 what we're doing here. 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:52.240 And this time I can tell you where they are 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.320 because they're in the Isle of Dogs, and. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.840 They've essentially militarized that the Isle of Dogs to turn 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:03.440 it into a little kind of safe zone slash. Honestly, yeah, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.000 in prison, because that is. 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:10.199 This is the answer to iraq anxieties. And oh the 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:15.720 movie that's that's explicitly about how bad America and its 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.399 Western allies are at occupy places. 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:23.879 Yeah, and how dangerous those occupations are. And soon, in 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.119 an incredible twist, they are reunited with their dad. 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.360 Love that that's a that's a. 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:32.080 Dons Mac and I don't know how Don ended up there, 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:36.719 but good for him. And he immediately lies about how 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.359 the mom died, which I think was like painfully real 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.679 for anyone who maybe has a dad who's not the 0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:46.879 most truthful person. And we then kind of start to 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:51.840 meet the different characters here we have uh the incredible Again, 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:55.159 this is another movie with just an unbelievable cast. Like 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.960 you have Harold Pernu as a sniper, you have obviously 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.080 Rose Burnt, we have Jeremy I know who we meet here, 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.280 Rener Hives stand up, They're they're here, They're I'm sure 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.080 he would have loved to be in the sequel, but 0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.920 I will be intro I don't think that's happening for him. 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.200 Tammy and Andy as they. 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.720 Are children and they were out of the country during 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.360 the original outbreak, which makes me think they don't really 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.880 understand how serious this is. They decide that they are 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.840 just gonna sneak out. They'll fun adventure, have some good 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:29.000 always a good. I feel like again, if children can 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.760 sneak out of your like DMZ kind of like protection Zone, 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:34.040 probably not doing very well. 0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.720 No, No, I don't think you're a very high security 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.520 of the area. 0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.520 I think this again speaks to me about like kind 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.080 of the the trappings of this do feel like a 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.480 bigger Hollywood sequel. You add the kids, just like you 0:25:48.560 --> 0:25:51.119 add kids you can make it a PG thirteen, you know, 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.400 or make it if it's in America, it can still 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:55.080 be r rated. But now there are kids that people 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.320 can relate to. It's very terminated to in that way, 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.280 and they have a very child life like. 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:01.560 Reason for leaving. 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:05.000 They want to find a picture of their mom and 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.480 they want to get family pictures from their home. So 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:14.000 they head home. But bad news because their mom, Alice, 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.440 she's not dead. Whoops, whoops, Sorry, dad. 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.440 You you got some explaining to do. 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.320 Inside their house they. 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:36.320 Saw saw die. She's delirious and just like completely out 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:41.479 of it. And just then sadly the Jeremy Renner has 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:45.600 snitched on them. They bring them all back to District 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:51.159 one and their mom is quarantined and tested, and we 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.359 find out, in a you know, hopeful for the society, 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.639 not maybe so great for Alice, that she seems to 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.639 be an asymptomatic carrier of the rage virus. Now, I 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.720 think it's very interesting because I don't think in most 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.200 zombie movies that when they just don't tend to use 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:13.520 that kind of language that we can understand, you know 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:16.119 what being an asymptomatic carrier of like a cold is 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:17.480 it's not this kind of. 0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.600 Ellie all in all out immunity. 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.640 There is a kind of granular nature to how they 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.879 represent the zombie apocalypse here that does feel real, that 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.440 does feel more like something that could happen. And obviously 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.120 that comes from the way that Doyle and I mean 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.840 Boil and Garland approached it in the first movie and 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.600 introduced us to this notion that to them wasn't even 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:40.840 a zombie movie, you know, it was this race virus. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:44.320 But of course this kind of running zombies, these violent zombies, 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:49.280 would take over pop culture for the next like fifteen years. Incredibly, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.760 I now understand why Tammy and Andy are not making 0:27:53.760 --> 0:28:00.480 good decisions because Don decides that he is is gonna 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.160 go on an unauthorized visit to Alice bad idea, begging 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:05.120 her to forgive him. 0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:06.280 Then he kisses her. 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:13.040 Come on, come on, guy, like, look around you crazy? 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.639 How do you think that this infection is spread by 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:18.800 bodily fluids? 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.560 My friend, that's why they bite people. 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.760 He immediately gets infected then brutally kills her, which like, 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.200 what the fuck, bro, this is I didn't realize, I think, 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.359 and you know, Calm and actually touched on this before 0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:34.800 we came on, but I didn't realize actually that under 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:40.120 until I rewatched this for this recap under the trappings 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:45.240 of kind of the bigger budget, bigger scope horror movie, 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.760 it's still very much has this kind of thread of 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.800 like male violence, just like the first. 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.240 Movie for sure, and even the way they shoot, even 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.120 the way they shoot Carlisle during the attack when he 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.840 kills her, they show is they close up in on 0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.320 his face. It's very quick and they do it several times, 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.800 and he's got like this most like demonic, you know, 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:11.200 infected kind of rage grin like on his face. But 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:14.600 they really don't do that. It's not previous movie at 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.040 all or with any of the other zombies that much 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.240 like during an attack like person make it intimate and 0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:21.000 personal like that. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:24.160 Yeah, and even and also it makes you feel like, well, 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.080 he could have just done it, because we get that 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.640 moment at the end of twenty eight days later when 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.480 Jim comes and saves Selena and Hannah. He kills the 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.280 soldiers so violently that at first Selena they don't know, yeah, 0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.040 he is infected, And we get that moment here where 0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:42.920 even though we knowed On is infected because he kissed 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.840 Alice you see a violence in him, and a recognizable 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:49.320 kind of male violence that feels very real. And just 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:54.720 like every fucking zombie man who gets bitten and doesn't 0:29:54.720 --> 0:30:01.880 tell people and goes crazy, he creates like essentially massive outbreak. 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.520 He's killing refugees, he's killing military people. Then there every 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.000 single person he bites, you know. I think the general 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.520 understanding in fandom is like, if somebody was a zombie 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.320 and everybody bit too people, it would only take like 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:18.200 seven days for the world to be overtaken. And we 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.640 see this happen in a microcosm here in District one. 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:28.520 And while Doyle refuses, good job Jeremy Renner. 0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.080 To kill all the refugees and people who are still 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.880 trying to survive, which is what the government and his 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.480 bosses want, that does start to happen. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:39.960 Chaos ensues. 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.520 I think you made a brilliant point, actually, Jason, that 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.680 I hadn't even really kind of thought of. 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.640 This is definitely. 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.760 A statement on kind of the idea of over militarized occupations. 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:58.040 And it's very interesting with that read because we start 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:02.600 to see as Doyle is trying to help people escape, innocent, 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.360 uninfected people other for snipers, are just shooting at them, 0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.960 and they end up killing these family members, and Doyle 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.440 ends up deciding he's going to shoot his own men 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:19.640 in order to try and save them, and it ends 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.800 up being Scarlet who saved Tammy and Andy because she 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:27.760 considered that perhaps there is a world where they continue 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:33.600 the genetic possibilities of finding a cure and another survivor, Sam, 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:37.240 and then we get this horrifying moment, which again I think, 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:39.960 to me, I. 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:40.680 Just think is like. 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:46.840 A very ahead of its time moment, and honestly, I 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.920 feel like, now if somebody did this in a movie, 0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.520 they'd be like just just true political. But they essentially 0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:57.320 have the air force firebomb the entire sub district one, 0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:01.920 which was where there were survivors, where there was research, 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.600 where there were animals, there was a potential of a 0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:10.240 new society there. But it doesn't work, and we end 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:16.000 up with Flynn Harl Perrino flies as helicopter to Regent's Park, 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.680 very famous, kind of near to one of the sixth forms. 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:23.800 I tried to go to. Beautiful park, gorgeous, beautiful, lovely 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.480 flowers and arrangements, and it's just one of those brilliant 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.800 green spaces that we get in London. I spend a 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.560 lot of time hanging out there as a teenager, and 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.760 he's like, broa, you gotta infect the others. Bro, Like 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.000 you gotta leave them, don't worry about it, Like it's 0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.640 just me and you. Bro's to the end, and unfortunately 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:49.200 the infected people are on their tail. Sam tries to 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.880 get onto the flying helicopter and this is the stuff 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.440 I really remember from this movie. 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.760 I think maybe I was kind of too young when 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:56.240 it came out. 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.720 I was so into the first twenty eight Days Later movie, 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.200 and I think my young mat was kind of like, oh, 0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:03.880 it's so Hollywood, it's so big budget, like it doesn't 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:07.440 really understand the origins of the movie. But I'm realizing 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.080 now it's not from rewatching, is not really the case. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.719 And also it's just that some of the set pieces 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:19.480 are so crazy, like this one where you have Flynn 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.840 like using his fucking helicopter rotor blades, yeah, to try 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:29.160 and like thin out the zombie crowd, which is so crazy. 0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.960 And then another iconic English place here if you watch 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.680 any kind of sports, even NFL has had matches here. 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.120 But obviously if you are a fan of European soccer, 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:42.160 British soccer football as we call it, Wembley Stadium. That's 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.720 where he's like, come here, and Doyle's like, I've got 0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:45.640 to save these guys. 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:46.960 I've got to do it. I can't do it. 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:52.360 They then break into I love like the specificity of 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:54.320 this and for some reason, this is like a very 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:59.640 popular classic British car, but it's like a Volvo V seventy, 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:04.080 which is like a really funny, like basically a hatchback 0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.600 that like an executive would drive. I don't know why, 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.680 but English people they love Volvos. They hide in the 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.160 car because there has been like a terrifying gas that 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:17.040 has been released to kill the infected. Again, great commentary 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:20.440 here on how population doesn't matter and it's all about 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:24.680 control of the virus and the danger, which honestly, as 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.240 the movie ends, we realize is probably what they should 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.520 have been focusing on. So I'm not gonna like complain 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:33.560 too much about the government, because the zombie apocalypse does 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:37.799 end up spreading in this movie RP to Europe. But yeah, 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.080 then we get really fun sequence where they go into 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.040 the tube, the very famous London underground been there for 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:48.360 like one hundred and fifty years, incredible public transport system. 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:50.279 I love it can get you across London in like 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.319 twenty five to fifty minutes, depending on where you're going. 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.040 But what's really cool is we do have a few 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.480 different movies in London set in the underground. There's a 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.480 great movie Creeps Out Under that but in this sequence 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.319 they use night vision to go through the tunnels and. 0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.400 It's really creepy. It's really unique. 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.440 And then well I hate it and kind of forgot 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.640 is that Donn is still on their tail. 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.239 Yeah, he's still going after this. 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:22.600 There's something something maybe pheromones or DNA. 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:25.240 It like in the scene where he murders his wife, 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:30.640 even though he is infected at that moment, there's always 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.000 this implication again with the way they shoot him, with 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.240 the way they shoot him when he's running through the crowd, 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:41.160 that there's something of his previous consciousness, his emotions that remains, 0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.919 and that is animating him, and that is keeping him 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:45.120 following them. 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.879 And I think like, something that's really interesting about that 0:35:49.120 --> 0:35:53.480 is the notion of kind of like. 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:58.560 Muscle memory, body memory, like who this guy was. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.920 Because also when I got to the end of the 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.080 movie and I saw that don was still chasing them 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:06.160 was still public. I recalled the beginning, I went back 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.080 and rewatched it, and when Alice is really worried about 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.040 the kids and kind of like doesn't know where they 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.440 are and everything, he really shrugs it off in a 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.880 way that I thought was him trying to reassure her, 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.400 but actually I realized now is he probably. 0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.560 Doesn't care in the same way that she does. 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:26.280 So they end up going to They go through the tunnels, 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.440 Don is chasing them, and luckily Tammy Don and Alice's 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:34.400 daughter ends up killing her dad, which feels very pointed 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.439 in the read the Toxic Masculinity read, and she ends up. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:39.080 Being the hero. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.920 They get to Wembley Stadium, they meet Flynn, who flies 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.680 them to France. Seems like maybe there's something good that 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.800 could happen it. I feel like they shouldn't have immediately 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:49.800 gone to another country. 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:50.879 Probably should have. 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:53.640 Just like gone to many of the rural places in 0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:55.239 England that they could have, you know. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.360 Bene small islands like yeah, also not. 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:03.200 Even just that, but like England is like America. 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:05.440 There's loads of it that's inhabited, but also there's like 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:06.680 tons of it that isn't. 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.080 So I just feel like you could have gone to. 0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:14.520 Like the moors or somewhere, you know, gone to like 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.319 a beach and tried to hide out there. 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:16.840 Something. 0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:19.400 I feel like going to France was irresponsible, as we 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:24.840 will learn it was because twenty eight days later, a 0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:28.879 French boye whui whui. That's why it's are the French? 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:31.480 I know guys me uh, yes, that's it. I was 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:32.960 gonna say, may I am i rosie, but that's not 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:36.680 that's not French. But yes, they are asking to help. 0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.160 They are asking for the rape. You can hear them 0:37:40.160 --> 0:37:43.840 in the radio from Flint's abandoned helicopter and ut ooh, 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:49.040 a group of infected people busts from a Paris metro 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.360 station and in one of the most hilarious in my opinion, 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:56.640 like feels like maybe a kind of like maybe an 0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:58.480 exec cast for this or maybe they were like, oh, 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.000 let's see if we can make it happen the same 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:02.360 where we did in England. We see the effected in 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:04.800 front of the Eiffel Tower. They were like, what's French? 0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:08.520 They were like see that, yeah, And that is interestingly, 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:15.880 where we leave the franchise for you know, many many years, 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:19.280 almost twenty years, twenty eight weeks. 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:20.839 Yeah, yeah, twelmost year later. 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.200 It was two thousand and seven, and that movie was. 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.839 Actually while we had Boyle and Garland on as producers. 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:32.080 It was directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, and it was 0:38:32.160 --> 0:38:35.239 like there was a screenplay with multiple writers on it, 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:40.720 including Rowan, Joffy, Hemry Kue Lopez Levine, and Jesus Olomo. 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:45.960 And it's interesting because I do think that it feels 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:48.360 very different and I feel like at the time it 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:49.800 did make a lot of money, but I don't know 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.919 if it necessarily people received it in the right way. 0:38:52.960 --> 0:38:55.359 But I think rewatching it, it's really interesting and I'm 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.560 not surprised at all that ended up being Carmen's favorite. 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.160 She's got lots of great some great tastes. 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:04.000 It is a good one. It's underrated, and I think 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.760 for me, I think that the escape from the house 0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:13.240 in the opening m hm, Don's like as he runs 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.600 out of the house and he's looking back over his 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.840 shoulder and he's kind of like running in this small 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.520 valley like between like at the bottom of like a hill, 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.239 and you see he looks to his left and on 0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:27.239 the hill above him, you see infected start coming over 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:30.680 the hill down towards him. I think that's, for me, 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:35.640 the scariest moment in the series, when you're just like it, 0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:39.840 because you really it's hard for me to fully blame 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:46.480 him for you know, he's mindlessly scared, like yeah. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.839 The opening, you're meant to think like, Okay, I could 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:50.920 see how I could do that too. 0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:52.719 I couldn't see how I could do it. 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:55.480 Yeah, But I also think something that I love is 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.320 when he's first running away. 0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.280 Something else this movie does. 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.640 Well is like go because when he first runs away, 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.840 he's looking behind him and there's only like seven zombies 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:05.839 and it doesn't look that scary, but you still got 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.239 to run away from those seven zombies like you only 0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.200 need one to bite you. You know. Yeah, I think 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:14.719 it's such an interesting movie, and I'm very I'm intrigued 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.360 to see if on revisiting and if they can deliver 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.200 with twenty eight years later, this could go down as 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.200 like a very legendary horror franchise, horror trilogy. 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.200 I think, Yeah, it's. 0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:30.360 One of my favorites, and it's like everyone else, it 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.839 reinviuriated my love of zombies. That was always a big 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:37.879 zombie guy. I saw Romero's Dawn of the Dead when 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.040 I was too young to see it on VHS. Of course, 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.840 I think, you know, the helicopter blade scene from twenty 0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:48.319 eight weeks is I think a clear homage to the 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:53.280 helicopter partial decapitation from Dawn of the Dead. Slow motions obviously, 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:57.400 and just a great movie. Great movie, fast zombies. It 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.359 really ups the for me, It up the fear. Fat Well, 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:02.960 let's take a quick break and we be right back 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:22.399 with our zombie omnimous x omnibous omnibus. And we're back 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.759 with the Zomnibus. Welcome to today's edition of the Zomnibus, 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.480 where Loura, analysis and understanding come together. Today we're talking 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.160 about zombies. 0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:32.400 Zombies. 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:39.400 Zombies arose from tragedy. The concept initially emerged in Haiti 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:43.960 under the slave regime of French colonial rule. As Mike 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:48.880 Mariano writes in a excellent zombie historiography in The Atlantic Quote, 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.080 the zombie archetype, as it appeared in Haiti and mirrored 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.520 the inhumanity that existed there from sixteen twenty five to 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.640 eighteen hundred, was a projection of the African slaves relentless 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.759 misery in subjugation and slave people in Haiti believed that 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.880 dying might free their souls to go back to their homeland, 0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:12.520 but those who took their own lives were doomed instead 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:17.000 to wander the plantations eternally trapped in their bodies soulless 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:22.520 zombies no e z MBIs condemned to a nightmare existence 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:26.359 of perpetual servitude. After Haiti's revolution in eighteen oh four, 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:31.880 the zombie myth entered general local lore, where it evolved. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.680 There was the addition of bokhors, who were these kind 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:39.360 of sorcerers who could reanimate people to do their bidding again. 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.920 The slave metaphor is central to this idea, and there 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.480 were several points over the course of the nineteenth century 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:50.120 where Haiti, though free, it seemed like it might have 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:55.239 slavery reimposed upon it, and the folkloreic zombies of this 0:42:55.360 --> 0:43:00.000 period were, as Marianna writes, quote, a more fractured representation 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:03.160 of the anxieties of slavery, mixed as they were with 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:07.080 the cult trappings of sorcerers and necromancy. Even then, the 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.640 zombies roots in the horrors of slavery were already facing dilution. 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.400 Fast forward to the twentieth century. The Zombie then enters 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:18.719 Western popular culture with American writer William B. Seabrooks and 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:24.880 sensationalistic nineteen twenty nine non fiction book of The Magic Island. 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:29.680 This story introduced readers to Haiti's voodoo zombie, which Seabrook 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.839 described as a corpse revived by witchcraft, shuffling along obediently 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.760 with quote eyes staring, unfocused and unseeing, as if truly undead. 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.080 The book described seabrooks travels to Haiti during the US 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:46.240 occupation of the island and his encounters with various elements 0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:50.319 of Haitian culture and voodoo practice, all of which is 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:58.000 presented within a pretty racist context, and casting the Haitian 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:03.320 people as this kind of other world, otherworldly, primitive, exotic 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.880 culture and society. In the chapter dead Men Working in 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.720 the Kingfield, Seabrook describes for the first time in literature, 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:15.319 the zombie these undead laborers animated by strange magic. The 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.759 book was a sensation. A review in the January ninth, 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.880 nineteen twenty nine edition of The Brooklyn Eagle reads, and 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:25.040 I think it's at least for the reviews I've read 0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.040 that we're contemporary. Is this is pretty pretty much part 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:32.280 of the course. The Magic Island reeks with sacrificial blood, 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:35.200 the odor of cadavers, the sinister breath of witchcraft, the 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:40.000 horrendous exaltation of unholy terrors slaked in the steaming passions 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.799 of human animals. It is a grim story of voodooism. 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:47.480 This The Magic Island, filled with sickening mummeries, repulsive rituals, 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:52.560 orgiastic expiations and propitations, and armed with an uncanny ability 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.600 to woo the reader into his own experiences. Seabrook has 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.120 again created a book that commands attention, although it has 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:03.520 no other literary distinction than to be extraordinarily interesting. The 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:06.800 first zombie film appeared shortly thereafter. It was White Zombie 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.640 from nineteen thirty two, starring the legend Bella Lagosi as 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:14.400 a voodoo master in Haiti turning people into zombie slaves. 0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:18.879 It leaned heavily on seabrooks account and played on White 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:23.520 America's racist fears of black people and their general antipathy 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:27.759 towards Africans in general. In these early depictions, you know, 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.040 zombies weren't out to eat you. They were still this 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.160 kind of broad based metaphor for enslavement. During World War 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.600 Two and into the Cold War, the zombies cross pollinated 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:42.479 with that era's anxieties about war, about authoritarianism, and about 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.000 nuclear destruction. In King of the Zombies nineteen forty one, 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.640 a foreign spy uses voodoo zombies to extract military secrets. 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.000 And in the horror comedy Revenge of the Zombies, which 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.719 is the first horror film that actually presumed that audiences 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.120 understood what a zombie was like. There was no non 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:03.920 a zombie origins story, no exposition dump. This features an 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:08.080 evil doctor raising an army of Nazi undead, and in 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.399 the b picture Creature with the Adam Brain nineteen fifty five, 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.880 a rogue scientist reanimates corpses with nuclear energy to his bidding. 0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:20.200 As Zachary Krokett and Javier Zarachina write in the Vox 0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:24.440 article how the zombie represents America's deepest fears. After Hiroshima 0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.120 and the start of the Soviet nuclear test quote, American 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:31.800 fears of nuclear radiation and communism began to manifest in zombies. 0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.440 These were America's fears made real about the dead and 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.400 the incarnet, about armies of soulist killing machines, about atomic 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:44.560 fallout about being enslaved by communism and Red Scare, brainwashing, etc. 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:49.440 But through this entire period, zombies basically remained very niche 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:53.399 until a Pittsburgh area independent filmmaker burst upon the scene. 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:56.880 This is Georgia Merrow with his nineteen sixty eight cinema 0:46:56.880 --> 0:47:01.439 classic Night of the Living Dead. Interestingly, Romero originally didn't 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.680 call his creature zombies on set. He called them ghoules 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:10.960 because of his aversion to the original linkage of the 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:14.800 term back to French slavery in Haiti. But his film's 0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.920 impact essentially reinvented horror and created the modern zombie template 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.239 as we know it. His innovation, Romero's innovation was to 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.600 kind of strip away all the supernatural voodoo and the 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.360 sorcerers and all that stuff. Is very little in the 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.560 way of actual explanation, kind of a vague there's like 0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:37.360 a vague hypothesis that it might be like space radiation 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.759 or something. But the crucial innovation, and something Rosen and 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.480 I talk about all the time, is that the enemy 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.360 in Night of the Living Dead is not the zombies. 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.800 It is us. It is people. The film's shockingly bleak 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:55.560 ending shows Dwayne Jones the hero of the story, black protagonist, 0:47:56.160 --> 0:48:00.920 surviving the zombie apocalypse of that night, only to be 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.520 mistaken for a ghoul and shot dead by a white posse, 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:09.440 which I can only imagine resonated like a gut punch 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:13.120 in the climate of nineteen sixty eight. As many have noted, 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.240 Night premiered the same year that Martin Luther King Junior 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:19.960 was assassinated and its finale black hero killed by trigger 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.719 happy white militia felt ripped from the headlines. Night of 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.960 the Living Dead pulsed with the anxieties of its era, 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.960 civil unrest, violence, fragility of the social order, and perhaps 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:36.160 most centrally, America's fascination with guns and with militia violence 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.600 with extra legal violence. Dawn of the Dead from nineteen 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.839 seventy eight, my personal favorite, traded the rural farmhouse for 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:47.000 a shopping mall and a cutting critique of aria of 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:51.440 American materialism and capitalism. Romero later explained that after Night 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.160 became a surprise hit, he felt pressure to make the 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.799 sequel that mattered, which is why it took a little while. 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:59.560 Quote everybody was after me to make another one. I said, 0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:01.000 I don't want to just make it on the one. 0:49:01.040 --> 0:49:02.480 I have to have an idea, I have to have 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:06.120 something to say, And it took ten years before inspiration 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:10.320 finally struck. Ramiro visited one of Pennsylvania's first indoor malls 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:15.680 and was struck by this spectacle of a consumer paradise. Quote. 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.120 I saw the trucks coming in, bringing in everything you 0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:20.640 could ever possibly want. It just seemed like this temple 0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.359 to consumerism. The light went off and I thought, maybe 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:25.400 I could do something with this, And man, does he 0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:29.080 ever do something with this. The movie opens with what 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:32.160 I think is like the best twenty minutes maybe in 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:35.960 a horror movie ever. It feels so real, you really 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:40.480 feel society coming apart. It takes place in this local 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:45.359 news studio where this news program is both covering the 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.800 dissolution of the world under the weight of this zombie infection, 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:53.759 but also is giving you this fantastically charming like exposition 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:56.760 dump as this expert is like, the dead will rise, 0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:01.000 they will kill more, and those will rise and they 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.880 will never stop coming. It's like you're just like, whoa, 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.799 it gave you away. Yeah. And then, of course, much 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:13.680 of the movie takes place as characters escape from the 0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.440 kind of small safe havens that they had put together 0:50:17.520 --> 0:50:20.160 as the as the weight of the zombie hordes kind 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:24.799 of like break down these small havens. A small cast 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.680 of characters flees to this shopping mall where they create 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.120 a fortress and for a time, a utopia. There's the 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.680 scene that stuck with me and that I think probably 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.279 sticks with a lot of people because I saw this one. 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.839 I was maybe ten or eleven was they first break 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:43.120 into the mall and then they spend there's this montage 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:47.399 of our heroes going having a grand ole time, going 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:52.640 from store to store, taking clothes, taking different consumer electronics, 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.920 filling up shopping carts with stuff over this kind of 0:50:56.040 --> 0:51:00.440 jaunty soundtrack music, and that really stuck with me. And 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:04.000 of course it can't last. The utopia cannot last forever. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.759 The zombies get in. They start eating people, including a 0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:13.680 truly horrendous like intestine eating scene. But you know, by 0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:17.319 this point the genre and its template had been set. 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.439 Through the eighties and nineties, zombies kind of shuffled along 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.920 in pop culture with a varying degree of vitality. There 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.960 were sequels Day of the Dead Return of the Living Dead, 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.120 which by this point are starting to kind of revert 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:32.080 to the more b movie origins. 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:32.680 Yeah. 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.640 Well, also there was a weird situation which allowed zombie 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:42.319 movies to thrive, which was the proper trademarking of Night 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.879 of the Living Dead was never done, which is why 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:48.120 it's on every free streaming. It's why any studio, i mean, 0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:51.200 any distributor can put it out on DVD. It's why 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:55.480 you can watch it on YouTube. It was never properly copyrighted, 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.640 which means a lot of movies were able to come 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:00.799 out and sound like they were connected Tonight of the 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.759 Living Dead, but they were not necessarily officially connected, which 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.799 I think is still one of the weirdest Hollywood kind 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:11.440 of confusions that's ever happened. 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:13.640 But yeah, and so it allowed that to be this 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:18.440 kind of wave of rip offs. 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.040 You know, fa sounds like they're connected, but they're not connected. 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:24.520 And yeah, and there's still going on. I mean, there 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.960 are still you can still find movies that seem like 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:29.759 they are amer connected when they're not. 0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.440 Perhaps because of this inundation of the marketplace with zombie content, 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:37.960 the eighties and nineties was kind of a sorry for 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.720 this turn of phrase, was kind of a dead period 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:45.200 for the zombie It was mostly kept alive through video games, 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:49.200 most notably Capcom's nineteen ninety six Resident Evil, and that 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:54.400 many many sequels, but it's a turnover the new millennium, 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:58.840 the Zombie returned to bite us yet again. A trio 0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:02.760 of Landmark works ignite I did the revival, with Rosie's 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.239 Homeland central to this. It first came a twenty eight 0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:10.080 Days Later from two thousand and two, Sean of the 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:15.080 Dead from two thousand and four, and then Americans Can't 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.400 let the English have all the fun the Walk and 0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.240 Dead comic, which debuted in two thousand and three twos 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.240 and two to two thousand and four. Pretty crazy period 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:25.800 crazy for the Zombie. 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:29.040 Also really interesting because twenty eight Days Later is a 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:33.080 complete reimagination to the point where Danny Boyle at first 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:36.480 does kind of like Romero, doesn't think it's a zombie film, 0:53:36.880 --> 0:53:41.520 then Shan of the Dead, which instead goes back and 0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:48.920 introduces kind of like a mega social commentary comedy version 0:53:49.040 --> 0:53:52.879 that's very much in the screen mold of something that 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.839 feels familiar and has loads of references, and you kind 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.440 of have to be inundated in zombie law as we 0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:02.000 all are to understand it. But then you have The 0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:06.719 Walking Dead, which is so out of the range of 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.719 what we understand by being a comic book and was 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.200 at the time, and I'm sorry if I've told the 0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:18.319 story before, but I love it was so expected to 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:22.400 be a flop. It was so underprinted. Image Comics that 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:26.040 actually turned down Robert Kirkman's idea for The Walking Dead 0:54:26.120 --> 0:54:28.920 multiple times because they said, nobody cares about zombies, nobody 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.279 wants to read a zombie comic. So he lied to 0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:33.840 them and he said, well, at certain point in the story, 0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.759 you're going to find out that really the zombies were 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.239 sent by aliens and it's part of this kind of 0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:42.080 alien you know, invasion story. 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:43.680 And Eric Stimson said. 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:47.399 Okay, great, like you can make the Walking Dead, And 0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:50.160 so the first issue comes out and the second issue, 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.239 and slowly they say to him, hey, when are the 0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.279 aliens coming? And then the book becomes such a big 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:56.359 hit that he doesn't ever have to do it, so 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.600 like he had to lie to get the comic made. 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.759 But then that comic ended up completely changing the landscape 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.920 and changing the way that we would see zombies. Bringing 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:05.960 us back to that twenty eight days later, a style 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:10.160 of kind of like a new way of telling the 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:13.600 story and like, who are the real Walking Dead us 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:14.440 or the zombies? 0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:19.720 Like that's a crazy three year hit though, and of course, 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:24.879 as zombie stories had done previously, twenty eight days later, 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.359 even Sean of the Dead and certainly The Walking Dead 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:35.520 tapped into the anxieties of the era biocontagion, terrorism, protest, 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:42.480 and social unrest, you know, stars had was emerging at 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.719 the time the anthrax attacks had happened, and of course 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:50.960 twenty eight days later it feels as if it predicts 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.760 a lot of the kind of post nine to eleven 0:55:56.440 --> 0:56:01.200 cultural iconography. The wall with the pick of a missing. 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:04.040 Which ironically was a coincidence. 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:07.920 Coincidence completely before filmed before nine to eleven and all 0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:08.720 of that emerged. 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:10.719 You talk about something here that I think is kind 0:56:10.760 --> 0:56:13.520 of interesting, and this is not you know, I'm sure 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:15.520 somebody has written a great article about this, and I'll 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.360 go find it afterwards. But also there is a level 0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:22.040 of just like the early zombies, Abell Legosti zombies, which 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:25.919 were incredibly you know, very racist, the white zombie version 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.360 of a zombie that if you actually think about it, 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.920 the representation of this idea of like a community who's 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:33.920 so filled with rage, and you'll never understand them, and 0:56:33.920 --> 0:56:36.359 they'll just destroy your country's kind of. 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:38.840 There's a racist reading of it, Sure you could. 0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.160 There's definitely some interesting stuff to be tapped into there 0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:46.040 as well. Yeah, I mean it's so interesting just how 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:51.080 much it is a time capsule of exactly what was 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:51.960 going on right then. 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:56.319 I think the most successful and long running, certainly a 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.480 zombie property of this or any era, has to be 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.640 the adaptation of Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead, which began 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:05.200 as an anti comic in two thousand and three, as 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.920 Rosie said, and then debuted on AMC in twenty ten, 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.960 quickly became a blockbuster and at least for me, became 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:16.560 a you know, it added the element of I think 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.640 it put the American soul front and center. This is 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:22.120 a story in which, like a law enforcement officer is 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:27.480 the main guy, you're dealing with regular people, school teachers 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.880 who become these like local warlords. And it's a lot 0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:37.439 about the kind of core American love of guns and 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:42.560 the thought, you know, experiment that I think many Americans 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:46.200 play all the time, which is, okay, what happens when 0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.200 the shit pops off and I have to start shooting 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.480 people and man the Walking Dead. I think a lot 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:57.760 of it's long running, it it's endurance in the popular 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:03.120 cultural imagination is because of this particular way. It has 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:07.840 put its finger on something about the American psyche. But 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.640 the rest of the world was also getting involved. Most 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:15.240 only Asia there was Trained to Busan from twenty sixteen, 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:22.800 a Sang Ho's iconic, heartfelt, heart breaking zombie film that harnesses, 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:28.080 you know, Korea's particular lens about class and capitalism. And 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:33.160 it is a story about a workaholic businessman and his 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.520 young daughter who end up on a train filled with 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:39.720 zombies and have to deal with the zombies but also 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:45.520 the kind of like craven ambitions of like regular humans. 0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.760 The director reflected in an interview quote, if in Trained 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:52.760 to Busan, we say that selfishness spread like a virus. 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:55.240 His zombies may be fast and ferocia, but the true 0:58:55.320 --> 0:59:00.520 villains of Training Bussan are human greed and cowardice. So 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:03.240 what is it about the zombies that keeps us coming back? 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:09.680 They're blank slate, They're versatile, they are the perfect every enemy, 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:15.840 you know, like Nazis, which I think for certain nondiances 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:20.440 are complex now because like people are are not sure 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:21.400 if they're the bad guys. 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:27.200 Yeah, apparently so, And I will say reflectively, we see 0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:31.120 less stories right now about how Nazis are that evil 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:34.240 catual villain and zombies this kind of more flexible. You 0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:39.280 can put whatever you want onto them, become that clean slate. 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.320 Anyone can kill them without feeling guilty. 0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:50.040 Yes, they Aileen. They've been metaphors for everything from looters, rioters, 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:54.920 rampant materialism in the way that they only consume and 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:59.600 mindlessly consume this. Cultural critic James Parker observed, the zombie 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:03.520 is quote old, reliable, outlasting even its sexier monster cousins, 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:07.040 the humble ghoul. That quote rides the bestseller list and 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:11.600 consumes the pop unconscious like no other. From Haitian sugar 1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:15.040 plantations to shopping malls the nineteen thirties B movies to 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:18.680 presstch TV, the zombie has shambled and then run and 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:22.200 then sprinked it all the way. Its evolution is the 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.240 story of pop culture itself, always mutating cross pollen, I 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:29.760 responding to our collective hopes and fears with a disgusting, 1:00:29.880 --> 1:00:34.640 rotten grin. 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