1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to talking politics, where we go hard for democracy 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: and ask, really the only question that matters anymore? 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: Where do we go from here? It's rough out there, guys. 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: A lot of Americans are in real economic pain, and 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: yet Congress just shut down the government for over a month. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: It can barely function as a governing body, and now 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: it's consumed with the Epstein files. And I get that 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: this is important. Victims deserve justice. I'm all for releasing 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: the files, but can we also start working on making 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Americans lives better? Can we do better for our farmers 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: who are drowning under these dumb tariffs? Can we do 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: better for our teachers who can barely make a living wage? 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Can we do better for our college grads who can't 14 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 1: find jobs? Can we do better for aspiring homeowners who 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: can't afford a starter home? Can we do better for 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,959 Speaker 1: consumers we're seeing skyrocketing grocery prices? Can we do better 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: for our vets who are going to lose vital services 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: due to budget and personnel cuts? What about all of that? 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: Is any of that important to lawmakers? Doesn't really seem 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: like it. And as Democrats and Republicans gear up for midterms, 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: these are the issues on most voters' minds. 22 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: The party that can speak to them will win. Period. 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: It's not complicated, Okay. 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: Today's guest is a News Nation anchor and national correspondent. 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: He's author of the new book Born Lucky, A Dedicated Father, 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: A Grateful Son, and My Journey with Autism and guess 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: what over at Amazon. It's on sale through Black Friday 28 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: twenty five percent off, so go grab your copy if 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: you don't already have it. 30 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 2: Welcome Leland Vindert. 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 3: Great to be with you. 32 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, so good to see you. 33 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: So we're all covering all of this. What are you 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: noticing as you talk to lawmakers? Do they in your 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: view from where you sit, do they seem to get 36 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: where American voters are right now? 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: I think that there is a good amount of life 38 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: lawmakers who understand how angry and how much Americans are hurting. 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: Okay. 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: I think they mistake that anger for wanting to make 41 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: a difference politically, And by that I mean I think 42 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 4: that they channel that anger as to oh, I have 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 4: to get one hundred percent from the Democrats, or oh 44 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: I have to get one hundred percent from the Republicans, 45 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 4: rather than mister and missus Miguilcutty just what lower grocery. 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: Press right, totally right, And. 47 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 4: That to me is the difference of they see the anger, 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 4: but they understand it wrong. 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: And they understand it through their own lens. 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: Because for politicians, the way they do better is through 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: fundraising and cable news yets, which comes first, you can argue, 52 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 4: and that's by being as divisive and extreme as they 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: can be. 54 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's a really 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: good interpretation of it. You know, I had a sense 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that Trump was going to win 57 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: just because Democrats weren't weren't getting it. They kept telling 58 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: voters that I was great, crime was down, Immigration's fine, 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: Like seriously dumb, dumb messaging decisions. If you had to predict, 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: either based on where we're at right now or how 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: the pendulum typically swings against a you know, incommon administration, 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: how do you think the midterms are gonna go? 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 3: Really? 64 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I don't do predictions, but thank you 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 4: for trying. 66 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: What I will tell you. And this is what is 67 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: just so funny to me. 68 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: And we've done this now twice, actually a third time 69 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: is we have put together clips back to back to 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 4: back to back of Trump and Biden talking about the economy. 71 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: They sound exactly the same. Trump and Biden talking about prices. 72 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: They sound exactly the same. 73 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 4: And last night I had Jason Smith on, congressman from 74 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: Missouri who I really like, who had broken with the 75 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: President over beef prices and other things, and he starts 76 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: railing about why beef prices are high. 77 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: It's of the four meat packers. I said, Uh huh. 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 4: And as I'm sitting there on the set, I pulled 79 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 4: up a press release from Joe Biden in twenty twenty 80 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: two when beef prices were way up, And what does 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 4: Joe Biden in the White House blame the four meat packers? 82 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 83 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 3: So it didn't work for Democrats. 84 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, it ain't gonna work for Republicans, right, So that 85 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: I think is pretty obvious. 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: Because I have you here and this happened this week. 87 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your take as a journalist 88 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: on a couple items in the news. Trump seeming to 89 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: blame Jamal Kushoki, who was brutally murdered and dismembered by 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the Saudis at the direction of the man sitting to 91 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: Trump's right in the Oval office yesterday or two days 92 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: ago for his own death, saying things happen. When asked 93 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: about his murder, what did you make of that moment? 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 4: I made of it that Donald Trump cares more about 95 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 4: the future than he does the past. 96 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: Uh. 97 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: I made of it that. 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: The world is a difficult place and bad things happen. 99 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: And I think there's a French affairs of French phrase. 100 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: It basically translates to affairs of state. If if the 101 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: American president was required to adjudicate everything a foreign government 102 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: has done, then we wouldn't get very far. So was 103 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 4: the murder of Jamal Koshogi wrong by Western moral standards? Yes, 104 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 4: it's the way the Arab world operates. And if you 105 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 4: put it in a zero sum game, is it better 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 4: that Saudi Arabia is a client state of the United 107 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 4: States or a client state of China, It's better that 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 4: we're there are a client state of the United States. 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: Right. 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: But he didn't need to he didn't litigate it, and 111 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: he didn't need to blame Jamal Koshogi for it. 112 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: That was a choice he made. 113 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I again, he've views ingratiating himself to MBS is 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: more important. 115 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Okay, what about Trump calling a reporter on Air Force 116 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: one piggy your thoughts. 117 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: I don't. Again, this is who Donald Trump is. This 118 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 3: is who we elected as a country. So I don't. 119 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 4: I don't spend a lot of time handringing what Donald 120 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 4: Trump does or does not say. I acknowledge that he 121 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 4: is who he is. 122 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: And move on. I think the. 123 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: I guess what they say is the never ending desire 124 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: or thought by those who don't like Trump that somehow 125 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: this behavior is going to be the thing that crystallizes 126 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: in everyone's mind how much Trump is bad, or that somehow, 127 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: by losing their minds over calling someone a reporter piggy 128 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: or saying Jamal Kashogi had it coming, or whatever it is, 129 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: that somehow Trump's supporters are going to be like, oh, okay, 130 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 4: after ten years and after the grabber by the p tape, 131 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 4: and after saying John McCain's not a war hero, and 132 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 4: after all these other things because he said Koshogi deserved it, 133 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: Now I don't support Trump anymore. That's not going to happen. 134 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 4: So I just don't. I don't think it changes. 135 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: So that's not the point of it. We're journalists. 136 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: The point isn't to change people's minds. But the point 137 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: is to call out, to call out things that are 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: that are terrible. 139 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: No, I think as a journalist, your job is to 140 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: report what happened. 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Well, my job is jobs might be a little different 142 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: than yours. I understand that because I'm an opinion journalist. 143 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: But we're we're members of the press, and when Trump 144 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: is attacking the press, it might be important to call 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: it out. 146 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: It has nothing to. 147 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: Do with this is going to be the thing that 148 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: destroys it. 149 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: I think that's where you're coming from. 150 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: I think it's I think that the point about Trump 151 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: and the press is this. Trump is the first president 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 4: who treats the press as though they are part of 153 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: the game, like that they are players on the field. 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: And what I would say is that when as a 155 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 4: news organization with which I think certainly with ABC and 156 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: certainly with the question you know, with the reporter was 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: in the Oval office, this is somebody who's shown real bias. 158 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: This is somebody who was cover you know, who very 159 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: clearly covered for Joe Biden during the her investigation in 160 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: the transcript of that interview. And I think Trump treats 161 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: journalists as players in the game and I would say 162 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 4: the opposite, which is, once as a journalist or certainly 163 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: as an opinion journalist, once you go set foot on 164 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 4: the field of cable news or of broadcast news, your 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: fair game, like you know, it's It's amazing the number 166 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: of people who can't wait to run a play and 167 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 4: run offense, but the second they get hit on defense, 168 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: they can't take a punch and they can play. 169 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, we're journalists. You can't can't you can't 170 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: criticize us. Give me a break. 171 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we get criticized all the time. Of course 172 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: we're not above reproach. But the President of the United 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: States calling a journalist piggy, you can't defend that. 174 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not defending it. I'm not I'm not defending. 175 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying it is what it is. 176 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: But I'm sing is what it is. 177 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: It is what it is. 178 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: And I don't Again, I've had Donald Trump call me 179 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: lots of names. 180 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: Oh me too, me too, Okay, yeah. 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: I don't like, I don't care. 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: And I and the people who want run around going 183 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: oh my god, this is so terrible. 184 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: They called me a name. 185 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: Like you make, you make, you make? How many of that. 186 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: You make, how much money you make, how much money 187 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: you talk about the names you're, you're on the field 188 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 4: of you're, you're, you are a player on the field, 189 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 4: and once you step on the field, if it's a 190 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 4: if it's a hit, it's a hit. 191 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: It doesn't bother me. 192 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Okay, the mega media fight between like Ben Shapiro, Tucker 193 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: Carls and Meghan Cally Candice and Snick Poins, what are 194 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: your thoughts on how that's going. 195 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 4: I think the group of people playing cute c and 196 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 4: foot see with objectively horrible human beings, of which I 197 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 4: put Cantie Owens and Nick Floyant is it. Nick Floyd 198 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 4: is not just anti semi He's a rape enthusiast. He's 199 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: a misogynist. He is a fan of Hitler. These are 200 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: these are totally different levels of you know, oh, I 201 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 4: don't like people who eat bagels. And this idea on 202 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 4: the on the right that because the left is accepting 203 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 4: of anti Semitism and the left is accepting of this 204 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: anti Israel pro hamas oppress or oppressed dynamic, that somehow 205 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 4: that absolves the right of any and all issues is 206 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 4: really dangerous. 207 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: And I've said it on TV. 208 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: I think what is happening is just horribly wrong and 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 4: scary is all is all get out. 210 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 6: Uh. 211 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: I think the other thing to examine is why it's happening, 212 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 4: And by that I mean the idea that there is 213 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: a sizeable part of the young male population for whom 214 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: this kind of I don't want to use the word garbage, 215 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 4: but it is like this drug of victimhood mixed with anger, 216 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: mixed with revenge is somehow now appealing. That says a 217 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: lot about our society. And you know, I think it's 218 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 4: you know, it's one thing to just say, well, you know, 219 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: catus Oone's is terrible and Tucker Carlson shouldn't have fuente 220 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 4: sa on and on and on on. That's a very 221 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 4: different conversation because somebody is going to provide if there 222 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 4: is a demand for this drug, right of anti semitism, 223 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 4: rape enthusiasm, hitler loving. 224 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: Kind of stuff. Somebody is going to provide that drug. 225 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 4: And the idea that there's a group of male population 226 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 4: in America who's interested in that should tell us a lot. 227 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we do with that? 228 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: Because I agree, I think ID album is worse than 229 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: just someone interviewing someone. 230 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: What do we do that that's. 231 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: I think you really have to examine how did young 232 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 4: men get to this point? And I think a lot 233 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: of it has to you know, comes from twenty fifteen 234 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 4: or twenty twelve to twenty twenty two, when young men 235 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 4: were demonized and being male was demonized. And now all 236 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 4: of a sudden, somebody's telling young men you can act like. 237 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 3: Men and they're listening to it. Now is it? 238 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 4: It is the messenger a bad person, Yes, But I 239 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 4: think that the society as a whole has to then 240 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 4: reevaluate how do you treat young men? 241 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: How do you deal with young men? If you're going 242 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: to fix that problem? 243 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay. 244 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: We always end with an exit poll, and it's three 245 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: questions of varying degrees of seriousness. 246 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: The first is what is your favorite movie about politics? 247 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: Charlie Wilson's War. 248 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: Who's someone in left wing media and right wing media 249 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: that you like? 250 00:12:58,440 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: But I like, do you mean friend? 251 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: Or do you mean now like you admire what they do? 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: The I'm going to give you two on the left, 253 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: which would be matt al and tarlav Yeah. 254 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: For an MS now, well yeah, I mean mad As 255 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: now Charles oh yes, right? 256 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: And then right wing I would give you Hugheswett. 257 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: Yep, I know you. 258 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give you Hugh Hewett. 259 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 4: And I think what Buck Sexton is doing is pretty interesting, right, Yeah. 260 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: Buck is a friend as well. Okay. 261 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: And finally, how do we uh, how do we protect 262 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: our democracy. 263 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: By vigorously practicing it? 264 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: Great? 265 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: Thanks to Leland vitterert you can go buy his book 266 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: Born Lucky now and it's on sale at Amazon through 267 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: Black Friday. 268 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: And we'll be right back with my mini monologue after them, and. 269 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to talking politics before we get to my rant, Lauren, 270 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: do we have any mail? 271 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 7: Okay? So we just have one comment that I wanted 272 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 7: to share. 273 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 5: This was a listener who wrote in about some news 274 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 5: that unfortunately had already been sort of resolved. 275 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 7: By the time we got to it. 276 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 5: Okay, but I suggested maybe they write in with some 277 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 5: other questions because we're all here for it. But they 278 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 5: did give us a really lovely comment say, but thank 279 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: you so much. The pot is a public service in 280 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: keeping us all sane. So I just wanted to share that. 281 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: That's so nice. 282 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 7: I know it's Mac from London, I believe, or the youth. 283 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got an international worldwide British fan. I love that. 284 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks uh for that. And if you want 285 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: to write in, you can at Off the Cup, Cup 286 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: of two P's at gmail dot com. 287 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: You can write in. 288 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: About our talkin Politics episode. You can write in about 289 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: our Off the Cup celebrity interviews and mental health. 290 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: And you can also write in. 291 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: About coffee because we do talk and coffee as well. 292 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: So give us all your thoughts, just all of them, Okay, 293 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: onto the mono. I want to take you back to 294 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: a moment in twenty sixteen. It's October seventh, and the 295 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Washington Post drops a bombshell, just like a month before 296 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: the election, and it was. 297 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: The perfect October surprise. 298 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: It was a never heard before recording from an Access 299 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood interview between Donald Trump and Billy Bush. In the recording, 300 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: which happened before the interview, while Trump and Bush are 301 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: like on a bus, the Republican nominee for President, Donald 302 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Trump describes how he seduces women, saying I don't even wait, 303 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: and when you're a star, they let you do it. 304 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: You can do anything. Grab by the p you can 305 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: do anything. Okay. 306 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: The tape certainly put Trump on defense, but as we 307 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: all know, the revelation that this man admitted to sexually 308 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: assaulting women. 309 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: It did not derail his candidacy, which you know says 310 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: a lot. 311 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, I bring this up because I'm reminded of 312 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: when I had to go into CNN as a you know, 313 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: thirty something new mother and discuss this on the air. 314 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: And I remember sitting across from Jake Tapper, someone who's 315 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: a friend and a colleague, someone I admire and respect, 316 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: and having to say those words and talk about this 317 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: sordid lude, crass gross comment and the sordid lude grass 318 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: gross Man who said it. 319 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: I felt embarrassed sitting at that table. 320 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: Actually, I couldn't believe this is what we had to 321 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: talk about. I guess it was similar during the Clinton 322 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: scandal and all those dirty details that reporters and political 323 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: commentators had to discuss on television, but it. 324 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 2: Was awful for me. 325 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: Nowhere in my journalism career did I think I'd be 326 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: discussing a presidential candidate who talked about grabbing peas. 327 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I feel similarly today. 328 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: I cannot believe that two of the biggest stories in 329 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: politics today are that MAGA influencers with giant platforms are 330 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: whitewashing neo Nazis and whitewashing pedophilia. 331 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I cannot believe it. 332 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: I thought my capacity for surprise had reached its limits 333 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: with MAGA, I truly I did. But then Tucker Carlson 334 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: and Megan Kelly said, hold my beer, you ain't seen 335 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: nothing yet. If you haven't heard Tucker Carlson, who was 336 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: once my boss, okay, and another person I used to 337 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: really respect, he's devolved into a conspiracy theory spouting despot 338 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: defending neo Nazi protecting weirdo. He recently had Nick Fuentes, 339 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: a self proclaimed hitler, lover, holocaust denier, rape defender who 340 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: has said some of the most vile, disgusting things I've 341 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 1: ever heard any person say ever, on his podcast, where 342 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: Tucker did not press Nick on his hideous ideas. Instead, 343 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: he gave him a very friendly interview where he seemed 344 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: to suggest this neo Nazi's not so bad. We just 345 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: needed to get to know each other. Take a listen 346 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: to the first minute of this interview. 347 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 6: Nick Quentes, thank you for doing this. Yeah, thank you 348 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 6: for having me. 349 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: Wanted to meet you. I've heard about you. 350 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 6: Hmmm, I've heard about you so well, thank you. I 351 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 6: want to understand what you believe, and I want to 352 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 6: give you a chance minute to just lay it out. 353 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 6: Not what you're pivoting against, which are a lot of 354 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 6: the same things. You know, I agree with you on 355 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: some of the things you're pivoting against, for sure, But 356 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 6: what do you affirmatively believe? So I just want to 357 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 6: stand back and let you explain it. But first I 358 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 6: want to understand how you got to where you are, 359 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 6: how you became Nick Fuentes. So here's I'm just this 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 6: is my understanding of your life arc, and tell me 361 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 6: if I'm wrong. You show up at Boston University. You 362 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 6: grew up in a suburb of Chicago, kind of working 363 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 6: class suburb of western suburb, and you show up at 364 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 6: Boston University in the fall of twenty sixteen, at the 365 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 6: height of the well, the battle between Trump and Hillary. 366 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 6: It's like this kind of pivot point in history. And 367 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 6: you show up with a Maga hat, and you have 368 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 6: a Trump hat, and you have like basically off the 369 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 6: shelf Republican views. Yes, and so describe what the views 370 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 6: that you had then, and then describe what happened. 371 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, just a normal kid from Chicago 372 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: with off the shelf Republican views and hit. 373 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: That guitar track. Of course, while. 374 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: He's at Boston University, he leaves for a minute to 375 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: go down to Charlottesville to march with tiki torches, So 376 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, just off the shelf Republican views. That helps 377 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: you understand the tone of this interview, which really started 378 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: this internacine battle on the right over whether Tucker was 379 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: right to do that. And then you had folks like 380 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro who've called Tucker out over this. Several board 381 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: members at the Heritage Foundation have resigned after its president 382 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: defended Tucker. 383 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: Meg Kelly's defending Tucker. She's blaming pro. 384 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: Israel factions on the right for unfairly attacking him over this, 385 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: because you know, it's always the Jews for in some way, 386 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: it's always the Jew's fault. And she's accusing anyone who 387 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: disagrees with Tucker for playing footsat with white supremacists, which 388 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: should be everyone, of not being real conservatives and trying 389 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: to enforce speech codes. Okay, it's absurd, it's disgusting, and 390 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: there's just no courage in these corners to say what 391 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: is obvious, which is that no one should help to 392 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: launder or normalize a racist, neo nazi's reputation or beliefs, 393 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: and under the guise of conservatism. Okay, but listen, Trump 394 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: let all of these ugly factions in back in twenty sixteen, 395 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, the oathkeepers, the white nationalists, the anti Semites, 396 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: the Islamophobes, the bigots, and the sexists and the homophobes. 397 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: Trump opened the door, and now Ben Shapiro is surprised 398 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: that people like Nick Fuents walked through it. 399 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: Come on. 400 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: Now, In addition to defending Tucker for elevating quentas Ben 401 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Kelly is also and I can't believe I'm going to 402 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: say this, helping to launder Jeffrey Epstein's posthumous reputation too. 403 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that's right? 404 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard her saw it, but 405 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: on her show she well she questioned whether Epstein's preference 406 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: for fifteen year old girls actually made him a pedophile. 407 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: Take a listen. 408 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 8: As for Epstein, I've said this before, butch is a reminder. 409 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 8: I do know somebody very very close to this case 410 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 8: who was in a position to know virtually everything, not everything, 411 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 8: but virtually everything. And this person has told me from 412 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 8: the start, years and years ago that Jeffrey Epstein, in 413 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 8: this person's view. 414 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 7: Was not a pedophile. 415 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 8: This is this person's view who was there for a 416 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 8: lot of this, but that he was into the barely 417 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 8: legal type, like he liked fifteen year old girls. And 418 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 8: I realized this is discussing. I'm definitely not trying to 419 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 8: make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts 420 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 8: that he wasn't into like eight year olds, but he 421 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 8: liked the very young teen types that could pass for 422 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 8: even younger than they were but would look legal to 423 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 8: a passer by. 424 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, all right. 425 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: First of all, first of all, she wants you to 426 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: know someone really clear this case does not think Epstein 427 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: is a penophile, as if that's important, okay. And secondly, 428 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: this distinction she's making, which she's not defending, of course, 429 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: course of it's just facts. She's just putting it out there, right, 430 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just asking questions, folks, That's what these 431 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: guys do. I'm just asking the questions. I'm just giving 432 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: you the facts. She thinks it's really important that Epstein 433 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: preferred fifteen year olds to eight year olds, Okay, now 434 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: deciding that the most important thing to do with her 435 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: massive platform is to use it to do pedophile math. 436 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: That's a choice, it's a choice, but also to intimate. 437 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: That's sexually abusing and trafficking a fifteen year old girl, 438 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: which is not barely legal, Megan, it's just illegal. 439 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: It's a crime. 440 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: Is somehow better than sexually abusing and trafficking an eight 441 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: year old girl is more than a choice. 442 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: That's moral bankruptcy. Okay. 443 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: That's a ghoul who sold out for subs and clicks. 444 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: Because the person who will a actively look for ways 445 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: to put like a nicer spin on pedophilia just because 446 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: Trump himself a sex criminal may be implicated. That's a 447 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: person with no soul, Okay. And I just can't believe 448 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: this is where we've gotten to. I mean I can 449 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: and I can't, but still neo Nazis and pedophiles, because 450 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: in MAGA, you have to defend the absolute worst shit 451 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: in the history of history. If it helps Trump in 452 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: any way, it is garbage. And on the one hand, 453 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: it makes me really sad that this is where people 454 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: with massive platforms have decided to take Americans, and especially 455 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: they're taking and corrupting young minds in the process, because 456 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: a lot of Nick fouent As his fans are teenage boys. 457 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: But it also makes me hugely happy that I no 458 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: longer play in this sandbox, because for a long time 459 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: I was colleagues with some of these people. Twenty sixteen, 460 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: I just saw where Trump wanted to take the party 461 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: and the country, and I tapped out. 462 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: And I'm so glad I did. 463 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I never would have lasted in it because 464 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm so repulsed by Trump and I care about the 465 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: one thing he doesn't, conservatism. But I'm so glad I 466 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: don't have to do this for money or power or 467 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: fame or whatever they're doing it for. I wouldn't, of course, 468 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: but it's obviously a choice plenty of people made and 469 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: feel like they have to keep doing it. It's shameful. 470 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: It's absolutely shameful. Shame on them. Okay, that's it for me. 471 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here with me and for wanting to 472 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: be in a space that doesn't normalize Nazis and petals. 473 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: I appreciate that, and I appreciate you. We're in this together. 474 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: We got to stick together. 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