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Speaker 3: Here we got.

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Speaker 4: We're back with Chandler Rome from the Athletic and of

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Speaker 4: course Crush City Territory as well, your host of the

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Speaker 4: show that you should check out all about the Houston Astros. Chandler,

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Speaker 4: great to see you and let's just start nice in

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Speaker 4: general with the shows. I feel like we haven't talked

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Speaker 2: The best part's Hunter Brown and that's kind of without.

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Speaker 2: That's tough to debate. Their bullpen's been sneaky good. I

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Speaker 2: have a great start yesterday at steinbren Or Field. The

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Speaker 2: think he gave up five runs and five, and that

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Speaker 2: He has been the epitome of an ace. He's been

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Speaker 3: He is the guy.

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Speaker 2: He and Fromberveldez are keeping this thing afloat and really

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Speaker 2: In the middle of one of the worst thirty five

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Speaker 2: just not going to It's not going to function. They

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Speaker 2: they're slugging three seventy eight.

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Speaker 2: It's not a deep lineup. It's not a lineup that

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Speaker 2: Astros have no recourse, they can't create a platoon advantage,

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Speaker 2: it's a lineup that they knew coming in was going

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Speaker 5: Not going to any new guys first, but going to

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Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of both. Eric.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not had he did not have much protection,

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Speaker 2: still doesn't. But they have slowly moved him down in

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Speaker 2: a lot of blue. He's hitting one ninety against fastballs

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Speaker 2: against four seemers this year. He hit three h eight

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Speaker 2: There's not much under the hood that says it's nearing

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Speaker 2: al Tuve. They're not giving up on him. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: Where's your on Avares? Where's yourd On Alvarez? Because we

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Speaker 2: They've lost all benefit of the doubt when when they

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Speaker 2: So he has not progressed to hitting VP off the feet.

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Speaker 2: But with the Astros, who knows they could activate him

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Speaker 5: Can you give us another example besides the Jordon thing,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's more and look, I'm not here and

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Speaker 1: Hey, chander're a great story is Colton Gordon? He pitched

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Speaker 2: Tommy John And if you ever meet and talk to

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Speaker 2: So if you've ever been to Florida spring training, you

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Speaker 2: said look, I'm only here for four months, but if

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Speaker 3: So that was great for young Colton Gordon. Now older

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Speaker 2: They sent him out after his last start in Saint Pete,

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Speaker 2: They sent him out with Ronel Blanco likely headed to

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Speaker 3: That went on the I think he can help them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he's like a middle of the

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Speaker 4: Hey, security guards get good cash, so good for them

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Speaker 4: being good tippers. I like that, Chandler, Thank you for

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Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Keep crushing it on Crush City. We love listening to

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: Athletic put at an article saying which teams are trying

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna explain the chart.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important to leave the chart up for

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Speaker 4: will go through what you're looking at. Category one powerhouses.

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Speaker 4: That's the Dodgers. It's not very difficult to determine that.

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Speaker 4: I use very often on the show Overachievers. You've got

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Speaker 3: I thought it was cool like it aj?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it just shows you who the good

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Speaker 1: what it boils down to, right. I Mean, you can

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Speaker 1: And then you have organizations that have figured out certain things,

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Speaker 5: But that would say, oh, we have to have the

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Speaker 1: White Sox, Colorado, even though Colorado does spend a little bit. Washington, Casey,

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Speaker 1: Miami and Pittsburgh. Guess who doesn't win. The teams that

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Speaker 1: don't add, don't spend money, and they trade away all

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Speaker 1: their players because they think they're smarter whatever they want

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Speaker 1: to save money. Those are the teams that don't win.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's what happens.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: When Washington won in twenty nineteen, what did they have

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Speaker 1: Strasburg sures Er, Corbin Right, Zimmerman was there on the

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Speaker 1: long term deal, Jason Worth, Trey Turner, Anthony Rendeo. When

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Speaker 1: he wanted to play right, Like, these were all guys

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Speaker 1: that were making money and they had a bigger payroll.

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Speaker 1: They've gone into this mode since then, since training Soto,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't spent back to get They were the

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Speaker 1: team I said this offseason should go out and get

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Speaker 1: some guys.

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Speaker 5: They didn't really do it.

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Speaker 1: And look they're stuck in the middle again. They're stuck

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Speaker 1: down to the bottom. So it goes hand to hand.

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Speaker 1: You get the prospects, then you got to go spend

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Speaker 1: to finish it off, like the Cubs did, the Astros did,

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Speaker 1: all these teams did. They went through these long rebuilds.

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Speaker 1: You got to spend at the end to get over

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Speaker 1: the top. They're not doing it.

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Speaker 4: The metal helps me out a lot too, because you

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Speaker 4: see some teams where you're like, they should be pushed

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Speaker 4: a little more to the right side here. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we've talked about the Cubs a lot. How about the Giants.

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Speaker 4: That's a big market. Neither are the only ones in

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Speaker 4: that market.

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Speaker 3: No, that was a different group to me.

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Speaker 5: To me, the ones that stick out there, Cardinals, Cubs,

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Speaker 5: and Giants. The Giants had a different The Giants had

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Speaker 5: a different like Yo far haan Z Aidy was running

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Speaker 5: to the front office. Maybe he tried to Nicholin Dime.

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Speaker 5: Maybe they missed out on if they had, you know,

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Speaker 5: had the prospect or had the had Judge or had Correa,

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Speaker 5: yes they would have bumped them up in payroll. But

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Speaker 5: to me, those three teams out of that middle are

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Speaker 5: the ones that should be pushing, pushing the upper limit.

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Speaker 5: They should be going farther to the right on their payroll.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, very interesting list there,