1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 2: Single best idea and we're going to keep it short today. 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: The news flow here just absolutely extraordinary. Is you know, 4 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: you come in on a Wednesday before Christmas is sort 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: of like you know, okay, there's CPI great service sector 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: was a little bit higher. Excuse me, thank you Ira 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: Jersey of Bloomberg Intelligence. There you know, like two minutes out, 8 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: he's got the key statistics. Service sector inflation is running 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: at a four and a half percent level. What else 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: do you need to know? And you know it's great 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: to see in the market lift here off of Apple 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: and Broadcommon, the distraction of a grocery merger blowing up 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: and to the as we tape this, I'm not sure 14 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: if Mandoleese is going after Hershey Pennsylvania. I don't maybe 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: they get the Hershey bears it as well. That's a 16 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: hockey team for my childhood. Anyway, it's crazy day, so 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: let's get to it quickly. Here Andrew Sheets joined from 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: Morgan Stanley, and you know, to me, the great vector 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: is is inflation flat. Good morning, Jim biarn'co. Brilliant call. 20 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: Good morning, Lindsay Pieg's a brilliant call, Good morning, Mohammed Alarian, 21 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: brilliant call. Or do we have a vector of disinflation 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: Ander Sheets of Morgan Stanley. 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: We do see disinflation in place, although you know not 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: yet you know inflation is still holding up through the 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: end of the year. Where we, I think are are 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: a little bit more optimistic on inflation than the consensus 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: is next year, where we see inflation coming down and 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: I think importantly it's really coming down in the first 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: half of the year, where for the incoming Trump administration, 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: we think it's going to be a case where policy 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: has kind of fast announcement but slow implementation. You don't 32 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: get the inflationary effects of tariffs of immigration changes until 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: kind of in the back half of twenty twenty five, 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: and in the first part of the year. We think 35 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: that a lot of inflation which is being driven by 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: shelter auto insurance, that that can come down, that those 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: series are running well ahead of where the real economy 38 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: markets for those are, and that some of the difficult 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: seasonality in January in February, which previously is boosted inflation, 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: we think that actually sets an attractive bar that might 41 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: make it a little bit easier for inflation to be 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 3: a little bit better than expected. So we do see 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: inflation coming down. We see that disinflation the first half 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 3: of the year, and we think that will mean that 45 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: the FED cuts not just this month but in January 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: as well. 47 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: Andre Sheets and Morgan Stanley with their call, and there's 48 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: like eighteen other calls out there as well. But to 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: Iira Jersey's point, I just am absolutely fascinated on an 50 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: easy rate cut December eighteenth. Then what for the Fed 51 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: is a huge opening question. It was great to have 52 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: in the studios today Jay Brison of Wells Fargo Economics. 53 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: Doctor Bryson was really really tentative given the uncertainties that 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: are out there with a Wells Fargo call again looking 55 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: for disinflation as well. She has been silent for I'm 56 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: going to say three even four years. Elizabeth Economy is 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: definitive on China. She has done public service for America 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: with the Department of Congress, with Gina Romando being her 59 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 2: important Asia advisor. Doctor Economy is now at Stanford University. 60 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: It was great to get an update with her on 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: the new revolution that is China. 62 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that there's really a way 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: to buy at the line. 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: I think there's a way to ensure that the United States, 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: you know. 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: Is the dragon. 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 4: I guess in the sense that you know, what I 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 4: think our message should be is that we're still looking 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: toward US leadership on the global stage, right and US 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: technological leadership and military leadership. 71 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: I think, to me, what we want to do is 72 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: to run faster. I sometimes worry that we over index 73 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: on our defensive tools, and so that would be a concern. 74 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I think with President Trump and you know, sort of 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: the approach of just letting more tariffs, I'd like to 76 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: see US invest more, you know, in science and technologies. 77 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: We're still waiting to see the science rart of the 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: the Chips Act. I think that, to me is what 79 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: the United States needs to do, and not simply say 80 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: we don't want China to do this, stop China from 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: doing that. 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Economy can't say enough about it work the Third Revolution. 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: I read it cover to cover. It was I think 84 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: my book of the Summer a couple of years ago 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: is still very fresh on President Gee. Can't say enough 86 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 2: about doctor Economy's work. Now it's Stanford. I thought it 87 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: would be somewhat quiet today. I was wrong, wrong, wrong, 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: please stay with us through the week and up to 89 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: December eighteen FED meeting. I don't know what happens December nineteenth. 90 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Maybe we just roll up and go away, but I'll 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: tell you it is really something to behold. Right now 92 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: we are out on YouTube podcast. This is a single 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: best idea sen