WEBVTT - Died on the Same Day (with special guest Anderson Cooper) 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.480 Do you remember the day that Fara fass had died. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:08.280 I do not, and I'm ashamed, but you. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.240 Know it was the same day as Michael Jackson. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:11.280 Was it. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.079 I'm chatting with CNN anchor and sixty minutes correspondent Anderson 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.720 Cooper about one of the biggest days in the modern 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.320 history of obituaries, June twenty fifth, twenty oh nine. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:27.800 I mean, now that you say it, I vague I 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:32.360 do recall did she die in the morning? And then 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.080 morning it was announced that Michael Jackson died a little 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:35.559 later that. 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.000 Day, Michael Jackson was confirmed dead right before the evening 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.440 news broadcast on the East Coast, so she had the 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:42.960 full first half of the day. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.400 Well, I mean, as she should. I mean, well, yeah, 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.920 that's fast. I didn't realize that that's a strange pairing. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.599 I asked Anderson to join me today because he not 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.880 only has a real understanding of the news cycle, but 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.000 he also hosts a podcast about death and green called 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.480 All There Is. Anderson started working on the podcast when 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.119 he was packing up the apartment of his late mother, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.640 the well known designer, artist and heiress Gloria Vanderbilt. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.319 I've lived, lost a lot, had dreams of love and 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:17.600 faithful encounters. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.399 I wanted his take on why Michael Jackson's death so 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.280 completely overshadowed Farah Fawcett's. 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.640 I think it's a combination of her just I'm not 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.600 saying it's fair, but from a news standpoint, her career 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.960 had probably peaud I guess she was not in the 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.520 forefront of pop culture and the public consciousness in the 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.039 way that Michael Jackson still was. 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.080 Now. Pharaoh wasn't entirely out of the headlines in twenty 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.320 oh nine. She'd been very public about her three year 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:54.600 battle with cancer, but Michael Jackson's death was a shock, 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.640 a suspicious drug overdose. The King of Pop had even 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.960 been staging a comeback tour, and so as the afternoon progressed, 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.280 the special bulletins came fast and furious. Pop superstar Michael 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.200 Jackson rushed to a hospital in Los Angeles to day that. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.680 When they arrived on scene, he was not breathing. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.560 At three point fifteen Pacific time, Michael Jackson, the King 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.280 of Pop, was pronounced dead. Michael Jackson had an extraordinary 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:26.560 career and a troubled life, mark by incredible highs and 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.519 terrible lows. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.160 Just from on a global scale and the ups and 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.680 downs and the controversies. I mean, look now, Michael Jackson 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.079 is still more talked about than Farah Fosterite. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.280 There's no Fara Foss musical on Broadway. There should be. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.240 But yes, you know, in a friend of mine from 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.080 the New York Times, I remember at the time he said, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.840 Michael Jackson is a story about music, about business, about fashion, 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.200 about race, about celebrity justice, like every section of the paper. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.920 Also, I mean there's his children, there's the family, there's 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:59.720 the siblings. There's the question of possible medical malpractice. And 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.600 Michael Jackson grew up before the cameras in a way 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:03.959 that Farah Fawcett did not. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.240 The day after both of these pop culture icons passed away, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:14.000 CBS's Early Show mentioned Jackson's name more than one hundred times. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.720 Farah Fawcett was mentioned just six times. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.560 And of course we're also going to remember Farah Fawcett. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.520 Somebody put it this way, this is the moment when 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.440 Generation X realizes they're grown up, when we lose two 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.520 icons that really defined our generation. These people were on 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:31.839 our lunchbox, isn't it right? 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:32.600 Yeah? 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.920 It was the ultimate one two Punch yesterday speaking which 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.600 Ed McMahon died two days before Michael Jackson and Farah 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:43.080 fawcet Oh really interesting, totally ignored. Now when it comes 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:47.480 to obituaries, I've always been fascinated with the phenomenon surrounding 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.880 public figures who share the same death day, Who gets 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.400 top billing and why? So in this episode, I'm going 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.360 to do something a little different instead of focusing on 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.960 just one person, and and I, along with some other 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.920 special guests, will look at a series of noteworthy people 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.440 who happen to have died on the very same day 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.720 as other noteworthy people. There are, of course more cases 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.760 like Farah's where news of one person's death gets well 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.919 buried by the death of someone else more well known. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:21.960 Of course, you're going to tell me that Charles Mansk 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:22.840 got all the coverage, then. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.960 He got all the coverage. Some coincidences seem too perfect, 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:31.960 almost divinely engineered. I mean, what are the chances Thomas 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.159 Jefferson would die on the same day as John Adams 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.520 on July fourth, no less, not just any July fourth, 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:43.080 but the exact fiftieth anniversary of the signing of the 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:48.440 Declaration of Independence. There are cases of singular showbiz talents 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.640 turned co stars in death. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.800 Sammy Davis Junior died after an eight month battle with 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.080 throat cancer, and Jim Henson Lee, creator of the Muppets, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.360 died suddenly of what the hospital called a massive bacterial infection. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.479 And then you have what I call the odd death fellows, 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.560 those with seemingly nothing in common. For example, Prime Minister 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:15.279 Margaret Thatcher and Mouseketeer and Nette Funicello. Can you imagine 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.560 the conversation those two had upon arrival in the afterlife. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.640 I don't think Margaret Thatcher would have it much to 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:21.760 say to a net Fonicello. 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:28.599 I mean each blanked bingo from CBS Sunday Morning, and 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:44.920 iHeart I'm Morocca, and this is mobituaries, this mobit died 0:05:45.160 --> 0:06:00.159 on the same day. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.760 I mean Pharah Faws. I had her poster, her famous 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.760 poster of course, up in my room as a kid, 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.440 even though I wasn't really that interested in her in 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.920 the way that most of my friends were interested in her. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.960 So that poster sold twelve million copies. And the thing 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:28.560 that I love about it, and I think this is 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.279 probably well at least why I loved Farah is that 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.880 Apparently she rushed through the shoot because she wanted to 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.279 go play tennis. But she was like a real person. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.640 Yes, it's so of the time, it's so seventies, it's 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.839 so and she's just she Yeah, she looks real. 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.520 Now, we've got a bunch of died on the same 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.880 day pairings to get to. But because Farah got such 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.320 a raw deal on the day she died, we're going 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.159 to take some time now to give her some extra love. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.160 When Farah posed for that nineteen seventy six photograph wearing 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:09.320 a red one piece swimsuit, she became instantly iconic. The hair, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.440 the smile, those teeth. I mean. Tony Manero, John Tripolta's 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.440 character in Saturday Night Fever had her poster up on 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.640 his wall. Of course he did. By the way, Farah's 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:24.560 feathered flip was a TikTok fashion trend in twenty twenty three. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:28.040 Once upon a time, there were three little girls who 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.480 went to the police Academy. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.760 Anderson Cooper and I were just kids. When Charlie's Angels 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.400 premiered in the fall of nineteen seventy six, it was 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.960 a total sensation. It was sexy and preposterous. Three beautiful 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.640 women who fought crime at the behest of a man 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.080 they never saw but only heard via speakerphone. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.720 You heard that, Charlie, everything, Sabrina, and I've already made 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.679 arrangements for you three to go to prison. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:56.520 Prison. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.000 You've got to be kidding, Charlie. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.960 Angels can say that again. I loved all the angels, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:08.400 including kay Jackson's Sabrina, today known as the stem Angel, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.320 But Pharaoh was in a class all her own. She 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:17.240 radiated friendliness, big dreams, and a great American can do spirit. Jill, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:18.840 thanks for everything. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:20.440 You're an angel. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.200 Yeah, that's what. 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:22.600 They tell me. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:28.680 Sarah Lenny Fawcett was born in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.640 nineteen forty seven. Farah was voted most beautiful by her 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.360 high school classmates every year. But, and this is crucial, 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.240 she was the kind of popular girl who was nice 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.800 to everyone. I have no proof of this. I just 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.000 know this instinctually. Don't challenge me. Sarah went to the 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.200 University of Texas at Austin to study microbiology before switching 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.640 to art. At twenty one. With her parents' permission, she 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:56.240 moved to Hollywood to try her luck in the entertainment industry. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.280 She soon appeared on The Dating Game. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.960 And number two. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.680 Being from Texas, I'm used to having things done in 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.040 a big way, So how would you make a little 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.079 thing like sending me flowers really big? 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:09.000 Well? 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.400 The Dating Game always fascinated me because even as a 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.320 kid watching it, I couldn't tell if it was real 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.240 or not. Did she appear as Farah Fawce's. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.600 She appeared as Fara Faucet. She chose bachelor number two, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.560 who was definitely the best looking one. I'm glad she 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.440 chose him, and he seemed like the most normal. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.480 There's no way that date happened if she was Farah 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.080 Fawcett at the time, I don't believe that that date happened. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.640 Not surprisingly, Farah began popping up in all sorts of commercials. 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:35.520 It must be said that there still has never been 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.520 an advertisement as sexy as the TV commercial for Noxima's 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.360 shaving cream that ran during the Super Bowl in nineteen 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.760 seventy three. While singing, Farah lathers the product on the 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:58.880 face of superstar quarterback Joe Nimath. Farah left Charlie's Angels 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.600 after only one sea. For a while, she struggled to 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.600 show that she had talent after co starring in the 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.840 comedy mystery film Somebody Killed Her Husband. One critic wrote, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.480 somebody killed her career, but she didn't give up, and 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.680 by the mid nineteen eighties, Farah proved the naysayers wrong. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.800 You know, she had done The Burning Bed, so there 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.280 had been a revival of her and reappreciation of her, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.680 And so she'd already gone through the cycle of sort 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.079 of rediscovery and reappreciation. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.240 Anderson's referring to the nineteen eighty four TV movie The 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.280 Burning Bed, based on a true story, Farah played a 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.640 woman who fought back against an abusive husband. TV critic 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:46.120 Matt Zeller Sites has called the film a landmark, depicting 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.840 domestic violence as an unambiguous horror and a human rights violation, 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:54.960 and Farah's performance one of the finest in the history 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:56.040 of TV movies. 0:10:58.080 --> 0:10:59.760 You know, I'm come and go as much as I want. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.320 Just leave Mickey. On the personal front, her short lived 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.760 marriage to six million dollar man star Lee Majors and 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:13.280 long term relationship with heartthrob Ryan O'Neil were continuous tabloid fodder, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:17.040 but when Pharah was diagnosed with anal cancer in twenty 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.840 oh six, it was her illness that made headlines. She 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.280 was suffering from anal cancer, which no everyone wanted to 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.600 talk about euphemistically. They would just say she had cancer, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.280 but she insisted on putting that out there because it 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.640 was sort of like an unspeakable kind of cancer. Supposedly, Oh, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.040 that's interesting, good for her. Many of her fans last 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.560 saw her appear in the NBC documentary Farah Story, which 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:45.160 intimately chronicled her decline. It premiered on May fifteenth, twenty 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.520 oh nine, the month before she died. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:54.199 Sometimes this disease makes me feel like a stranger to myself, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:04.840 like ablon nothingness, alone inside a body that once was mine, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.640 but that has been damaged by radiation, chemo and all 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.760 those drugs necessary. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:16.880 For me to live. Now in twenty oh nine, Michael 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.520 Jackson was bound to overshadow anybody who might have died 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.679 on the same day. But forty six years earlier, there 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.960 was a day when the world all but stopped spinning. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.960 There is a bulletin from CBS News in Dallas, Texas. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.679 Three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade in downtown Dallas. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:39.400 The first reports say that President Kennedy has been seriously 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.800 wounded by this shooting from Dallas, Texas. The flash apparently 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:49.720 official President Kennedy died at one pm Central Standard Time. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.320 If you're of a certain age, you will never forget 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:59.120 where you were on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.520 day that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, which means, 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.360 though you may not realize it, you will never forget 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:11.760 the day theologian C. S. Lewis, author of the Chronicles 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:13.560 of Narnia, met his maker. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:19.320 Every stick and stone you see every icicle is Narnia. 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:24.320 Or the day writer and philosopher Aldus Huxley gave up 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:25.200 the ghost. 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:26.600 As searing social critic. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.400 Mister Huxley wrote Brave New World, a novel that predicted 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.479 that someday the entire world would live under a frightful dictatorship. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:39.200 Yes, all three men, John F. Kennedy, C. S. Lewis, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.960 and Aldus Huxley died on the very same day. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.840 That's so interesting. I just was trying to read an 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:53.440 Aldus hux lady small book about his experiences taking I 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.680 want to say it's peyote, but I don't think it's paoti. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.000 It's mescaline. Mescaline yes, and I tried. I was really 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.360 excited to read it, and I started it, and I 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.640 just found it so dull. 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:05.360 That I thought you were going to say, found it 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:05.959 so trippy. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.559 No, I just found it so dull. And that's interesting 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.320 because I just read C. S. Lewis his book about 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.400 the death of his wife, and it's really it's an 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:18.520 incredibly touching book. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:23.000 I wonder there are people, probably fans of those authors 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:24.800 who never realized they died. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:29.120 That's I'm sure that's true, or certainly you know it 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.520 took them a year to find out that they had died. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.320 Even globally, I mean, there's no way the assassination of 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.680 President Kennedy on that day, there's no way anybody else 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.320 would get any airtime. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.440 Well, Huxley's obit showed up two days later in the 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.120 paper on the twenty fourth of November, and then it 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.560 took yet another day for C. S. Lewis, who had 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.640 actually been the first of the three to die that day. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.680 His death was reported on November twenty fifth. That same day, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.160 though the headline was the death of Oswalt the murder 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.160 of him by Jack Rubin. He sort of got double 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:02.080 a clipse. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.680 Wow. I mean It's extraordinary when you think about the 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.880 impact that C. S. Lewis had with all his books, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:14.400 and beloved he was, and yet it's the vagary of 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.960 the day. I mean, it makes no you know. I've 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:22.560 been on airplanes with a couple of famous people, and 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.800 I remember one time thinking, if this plane goes down, 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.600 the headline is going to be that person was on 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.480 the plane and four others, and I would be one 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:33.200 of the four others. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.840 I think that you'd either get below the fold on 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.000 a one, or you'd at least get the little reefer, 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:39.440 the little go to box. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.440 First of all, thank you for having thought of this. Well, no, 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.280 I just you know, I think you have to. You're 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:49.160 plotting my death as I came in here today. Where 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:51.760 would I stack up. You're talking about a front page. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.160 I would not be on the front page. 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:54.600 Oh we go on a plane with the queen. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:55.960 I'm not going to say. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.680 As a member of the storied Vanderbilt family, Anderson is 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.720 aware of the role that social class used to play 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.080 on the Obitz page. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.200 When my great uncle Alfred Vanderbilt died on the Lusitania, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.240 which was sunk by the Germans prior to the US 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.200 involvement in World War One. His name was in the 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:21.560 headlines of the announcement of the Lusitania being torpedoed. You know, 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:27.600 Alfred Vanderbilt doesn't survive, which is interesting given the number 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.880 of people on board that ship. And I don't think 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.080 I don't think that would happen today. Well, and this 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.200 was in the New York Times, right, New York Times. Well, okay, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.440 And because the New York Times, especially then and for 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:41.520 a long time, sort of deferred very much to establishment families. Well, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.560 I should also say I'm working a book about the 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.640 Asters and Jack Aster when he died on the Titanic, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.440 the Astor name was very prominent in the headline. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:56.320 Well, speaking of which, February fourth, nineteen fifty nine, on 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.160 page sixty six, way back in the paper, the headline 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:05.160 reads three singers who died in crash of chartered plane, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.439 and there are pictures here. They are Buddy Holly, Big 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.880 Bopper and Richie Vallence. This is the so called day 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:12.840 the music died. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.040 The three singers that appeared at the Surf. 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.000 Ballroom in clear Like Iowa last night, and. 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.119 We're on the way to Fargo, North Dakota. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.320 This is page sixty six. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:22.480 Right. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:27.680 However, there is another death on page A one that day, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.040 and it is if you can see right there. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:35.320 Wow, it was at Vincent Astor dies in his home 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:36.840 at sixty seventy. I had dropped out of a heart 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.080 attack in his home. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:38.880 Wow. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.520 I mean Vincent Astro had been one of the richest 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.160 men in America since he inherited the money from Jack 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:50.480 Astro when Jack Astro died on the Titanic. But I 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:54.120 don't think today that person would be on the front page. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.879 I think the Buddy Holly, the Richie Vallens, and the 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.480 big Bopper would be right. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.359 I think that's right. I think the criteria has changed, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:03.200 has changed. 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:08.320 Love like yours will silly come by. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.360 We're going to do a quiz now. On November nineteenth, 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.880 twenty seventeen, two very different figures died on the same day. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.600 The first became best known for her television roles, but 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.480 began her career as a jazz and gospel singer, releasing 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.320 her biggest hit, Don't You Know in nineteen fifty nine. 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:30.840 Here's a little bit. 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:30.919 Of a. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.720 I have fallen in love with these. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.119 Right, did a little hard So I'm going to give 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.240 you a couple of other clues. She became very big 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:53.400 in the nineteen nineties on a Sunday night inspirational CBS 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.000 hour long drama. She had been big in the nineteen 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.280 fifties and then in the seventies she was on the 0:18:58.280 --> 0:18:59.960 sitcom Chico and the Man. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.639 If you don't come to that meeting, somebody is just 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.360 liable to report this greasy old. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.440 Garage as a fire hazard. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.480 Why this is some kind of black mail. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:11.520 Well, it ain't. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:17.560 White male baby. That's Dela Reice. Touched by an Angel? 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:18.240 Right. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:23.320 So she died on November nineteenth, twenty seventeen, and she 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.119 had a really interesting life. She toured with Mahelia Jackson 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.800 when she was thirteen years old, so she had its 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:29.919 great career as a singer before she was on the 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.320 sitcom and then Untouched by an Angel. By the way, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:37.320 Untouched my Angel, I never understood, like Roma Downey was 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.280 this angel that would go around and I think Delice 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:43.040 was like her supervisor or something. 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.320 Don't you raise your voice to me, miss Wings, you. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.639 Got a little pride thing going on yourself. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.760 I watched a lot of TV, but like Touched by 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.480 Angel probably was not something Every morning I was looking 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.680 a little darker, Yeah, a little mer dystopian. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.720 Murder. She wrote, Well, I mean, I mean, every every 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.040 week someone dies in this tiny town in Maine. That's 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.400 pretty dark. Anyway. On that same day, November nineteenth, twenty seventeen, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.440 another person who was decidedly not touched by an angel died. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.240 He also began his career in music. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:27.560 Ah, those real look at your game, Look at your game. 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.400 What a mad delusion. 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.800 Let's stop that now and then, because there's no way, 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.400 there's no way you're gonna get this. I'll just give 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.200 you a clue. He was a psychopathic killer. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:41.880 And well, I was gonna say, is he a serial 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.000 that's so funny. I was going to say, just from 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.440 that thing, I was like, is that like a recording 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.240 made in prison by a serial killer? 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.840 It was a recording made before this killer went to prison, 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.560 and he was in charge of a family. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:55.560 That Charles Manson. 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.960 Yes, Oh my gosh, Charles Manson delay. This just got 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:03.359 really dark, really dark. And I understand the fascination or 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.760 that there was a fascination with Charles Manson. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.320 Of course you're going to tell me that Charles Manson 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:08.040 got all the coverage, He. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:09.879 Got all the covers in New York Times. He was 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.120 on a one. Delriice was on a nineteen. The Chicago 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.040 Tribune put Charles Manson on the front page. They gave 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.840 nothing to Dela Resee. The La Times made Dela Reice 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:19.440 wait a day. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.119 I was probably on the air that day, And if 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.639 I don't recall what I did, but I would imagine 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.880 faced with those two, I. 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.240 Mean, go with God, go with the Angel. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.399 I mean, I think you have to go with Charles Manson, 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.520 maybe like a reader of like, you know, del Reice died, 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.639 but to at least give her some props, yes, but 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:47.080 you know, and maybe play a clip from I mean again, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.560 it's unfair, but just in terms of like foremost in 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.760 people's consciousness and the nightmares of generations of people and 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.640 knowing that this person is no longer out there. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.440 How would you do that transition? 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:00.720 Though? 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.080 Well, I'm not going to do them close together, not 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.600 going to do a four minute piece on Charles Manson. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.560 Then be like, oh, in Dela Reste, well. 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:11.600 Or would you say we lost Ella Reese today and 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:12.880 in much darker. 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:16.520 Us No, or you would not at all link them together. 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.680 Well, if you say somebody that we're actually sorry, we lost. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.600 Why no, why are you insisting on putting these two together? 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:24.840 What is your vendetta against Dela Reo? 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:25.239 No? 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:27.679 No, no, I actually have her greatest hits. I really do. 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.600 But I'm just thinking if you want the broadcast to 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:34.760 have some cohesion and so, no, and then and then 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:37.359 later on we'll all be touched by an angel. No, 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:38.400