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Speaker 1: Today is the official day I am launching the HERD

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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I have a podcast. You know that uh

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Speaker 1: tip of the Captain, all of you who support us

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Speaker 1: on that UH, it means a ton to us. And

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Speaker 1: we decided that there were a handful of people in

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Speaker 1: the country that I wanted to create that I really

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Speaker 1: respected and I thought they brought a certain level of

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Speaker 1: expertise or acumen to the table. UM. One of the people.

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Speaker 1: And you can go to whatever platform you want to

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Speaker 1: go to, UH that you get podcast. But I will

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Speaker 1: now from this day forward have a podcast network. And

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Speaker 1: the first person I named as part of it is

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Speaker 1: John Mittelcoff. Uh. He's a Bay Area host writer. UM.

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Speaker 1: He is a former NFL scout and I have leaned

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Speaker 1: on him for a couple of years and I found

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Speaker 1: out about six months ago he was available, UM and

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Speaker 1: he's doing UH. He works at the Athletic he writes,

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Speaker 1: he's scouted. He's a terrific insight radio host with strong opinions.

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Speaker 1: And so he has a new podcast called three and

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Speaker 1: Out with John Middlecoff. Doug Gottlie, by the way, will

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Speaker 1: also be part of the HERD Podcast Network, and I

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Speaker 1: want to bring him in from the NFL Combine via

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Speaker 1: the Coward Global Satellite Network and John is joining. First

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Speaker 1: of all, John, I could not be happier that you're

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Speaker 1: part of the network. You know how much I respect

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Speaker 1: you and Uh I have leaned on you through the

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Speaker 1: years for information. So I love that you're starting with

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Speaker 1: us at the podcast, and I want to start with this.

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Speaker 1: I have been I have said before Donald Rose in

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Speaker 1: her first round quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, I would

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Speaker 1: draft second, third round later, I would not, would not

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Speaker 1: draft Baker Mayfield. I can't get past the police video.

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Speaker 1: Now that may sound idiotic to some. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: and are you hearing that there are a handful of

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Speaker 1: teams like Johnny Manziel that just took him off the board. Everyone, Well,

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Speaker 1: let me start off by saying, thanks Colin. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate this opportunity, and you know what goes both ways,

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Speaker 1: and I'm aided UH to be partnered up and to

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Speaker 1: be a part of what you've been doing forever. We

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Speaker 1: differ on Baker Mayfield a little bit. I have a

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Speaker 1: close personal friend at Oklahoma that just swears by him

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Speaker 1: and swears by him in a way. Now I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean that he's gonna be a great

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Speaker 1: NFL player, but just the person. And I think you

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Speaker 1: when you bring up the word Johnny Manziel, when you

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Speaker 1: bring up that police video, clearly that's a red flag.

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Speaker 1: I mean anything in the NFL circles you get red

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Speaker 1: flag for pretty easily. Uh that that was bad. But

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Speaker 1: I think that most people around Baker feel that was

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Speaker 1: kind of an out of character moment. That was a

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Speaker 1: low point. Now is he gonna be You know, when

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Speaker 1: you when you take a bunch of outliers, typically you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be wrong more more than you're right. So he's

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Speaker 1: an outlier. Just based on the size, you know, six

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Speaker 1: ft quarterbacks, you usually don't make it. There's been really

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Speaker 1: two really in the last you know what twenty years,

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees and Russell Wilson that are successful. And you

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Speaker 1: you've talked about Russell Wilson a lot as an athlete.

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Speaker 1: Him and Baker are not comparable. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that Baker has some skills that are comparable to Drew

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Speaker 1: Brees in the sense that rhythm, timing, and accuracy, and

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Speaker 1: he can win from within the pocket. Now, I think

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Speaker 1: his cop like this what we saw of case Keenum

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Speaker 1: this year, which was a really solid player, a franchise

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Speaker 1: can become that much earlier than Cased it now. Clearly

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Speaker 1: Case was elevated into this unreal position with just a

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Speaker 1: think Baker, like I don't compare him to Johnny Manzel

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Speaker 1: because Johnny was a train wreck off the field, but

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Speaker 1: Baker is not, by any means a train wreck off

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Speaker 1: the field. Um I said that. Um, there's one player

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Speaker 1: in this draft actually too that I don't think and

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Speaker 1: I always feel there's a handful of players there's no

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Speaker 1: bus potential outside of an injury. Manca Fitzpatrick the floors

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Speaker 1: we call him, you call him what high floors in

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Speaker 1: the scouting community. That means the floor is high. You

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Speaker 1: Penn State. To me, barring an injury is a can't miss,

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Speaker 1: and the same eft for Alabama Minca Fitzpatrick, who came

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Speaker 1: in the secondary. He can bliss He's not a Burner,

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Speaker 1: but he's quick, he's aggressive, he's smart, he was better

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Speaker 1: It would probably be the guard from Notre Dame Quinn Nelson,

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Speaker 1: But it's very scheme specific. So if you get a

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Speaker 1: you can make good players look bad. And with a

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Speaker 1: not very good with a guard. When I use the

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Speaker 1: term can't miss, it's really I mean, you're just blocking

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Speaker 1: whether it's in a power scheme when you're out and moving,

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Speaker 1: would call him scheme guard. We'll see at the combine.

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Speaker 1: For him, specifically, for a guard to go on the

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Speaker 1: top ten, it takes a lot how he moves in space. Colin,

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Speaker 1: I live in the Bay Area. You watched Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: it's justified. All right. You spoke with the Eagles general

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Speaker 1: manager Howie Roseman, a very shrewd guy. There is some

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Speaker 1: debate here on Nick Foles. Okay, do you let him go?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he wants to be a pastor. He was

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Speaker 1: almost out of the league. He's a good kid. He

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Speaker 1: won you a super Bowl. And there's other people that say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I just asked Howie what he thought about Nick Foles,

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Speaker 1: and he used the word I used the word like

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Speaker 1: he used the word love. And he reiterated it over

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Speaker 1: and you know, you you talk a lot about the

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Speaker 1: Darryl Morey's of the world, the Billy Beans of the world.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot of that in them. So there

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Speaker 1: is a value component. If someone were to offer a

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Speaker 1: But if the pick is, like, you know, a third

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Speaker 1: what we witnessed, No, but he's clearly the best backup

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Speaker 1: that Jimmy garoppolos out of New England and he means

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Speaker 1: a lot to them again because they're starting quarterback has

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Speaker 1: a torn knee at this current moment, and who knows, well,

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Speaker 1: what's the rush to get Carson back if you have

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles, who doesn't make that much money. The great

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Speaker 1: end of training camp. UH. And finally John Middlecoff he's

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Speaker 1: at the Combine in Indianapolis. He's part of the Herd

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Speaker 1: podcast network, a former NFL scout. When you look at

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Speaker 1: this combine, I had Steve came on earlier, when you

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Speaker 1: He came on. I said, would you ever drastically change

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Speaker 1: your mind by seeing somebody at the Combine? Go back

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Speaker 1: to your career. Where was your mind blown away altered

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Speaker 1: by a kid you saw Vernon Davis at Maryland? Or

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Speaker 1: what is the combines purpose? Well, I think it weeds

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Speaker 1: more guys out than it does make guys like Vernon

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Speaker 1: Davis because you already knew that Vernon Davis or anyone

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Speaker 1: that runs fast. You have a pretty good idea when

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Speaker 1: you're going through the school in the fall, talking to

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Speaker 1: the coaches, talking to the strength coach, they're testing numbers.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's more sometimes those schools inflated. I vividly

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Speaker 1: remember this wasn't necessarily at the Combine, but at the

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Speaker 1: Pro Day. I remember watching Matt Barkley UH run of

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Speaker 1: forty and obviously Matt senior year and you know him. Well,

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Speaker 1: fall of that program did not go well. But but

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Speaker 1: but I just remember him run the forty and thinking,

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Speaker 1: there's no way. I when you work in an office,

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Speaker 1: that is not gonna play. Now, he ended up playing

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Speaker 1: forty time is a maker break. Tom Brady shown that,

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Speaker 1: I like Sam Donald, I I know, as do you,

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen is just gonna be throwing nine our fastballs.

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Speaker 1: So I it's gonna be interesting watching Sam Donald, who's

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Speaker 1: clearly a much better athlete than Matt Barkley, but his

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Speaker 1: arm is not gonna look great. Just on air, all right,

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, Third Podcast. Now, we're good seeing you, but

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Speaker 1: we will talk soon. Check him out on any podcast

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Speaker 1: platform you personally use, iTunes or whatever. Thanks Bud,