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Speaker 2: You are listening to the most influential podcast on Earth.

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Speaker 1: Never successfully. And yeah, we've stopped governments, some of them good,

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Speaker 1: won't get from CNN or MSNBC.

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Speaker 2: No, what we're doing is, well, we're just adding a

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Speaker 2: little chaos. You know. It's not sort of like we

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Speaker 1: I know it's true.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's a world in which politics are

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Speaker 2: run with more emotions in mind.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, what an interesting question? What do you mean with

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Speaker 1: more emotions in mind?

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Speaker 2: Like, I feel like right now, it's like everyone's in

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Speaker 2: politics that are obsessed with like logical thinking.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fascinating because I feel the opposite. Really tell me,

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Speaker 1: I feel like politics is all about emotion. If only

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Speaker 1: it was about logical thinking, then we would have, you know,

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Speaker 2: We are literally doing crossfire. This is crazy, I think.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I think that anyone who

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Speaker 1: thinking emotionally. I think what you're maybe pointing to is okay.

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Speaker 1: I think what's taking over politics is masculine emotion, and

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Speaker 1: what we need more of is feminine emotion. Is that

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Speaker 1: maybe what you're pointing to.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what I'm pointing to mostly I'm pointing to,

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Speaker 2: like I don't like that we have to follow laws

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Speaker 1: I guess I was thinking more like you know, something

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Speaker 1: transphobic policies like those are very much like they are.

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Speaker 1: They are emotion first, they're not using logic, and they

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Speaker 1: people's base instincts rather than to reason or to any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm saying is like I hate that. It's

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Speaker 1: Like That's sort of how I feel about taxes. And

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Speaker 1: But I'm also just like, or you know what, I

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Speaker 2: Well, And the thing with credit scores also is it's

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Speaker 1: Right. And also, if I want to open a J

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Speaker 2: No one knows. I'm also like, so you're watching all

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Speaker 1: Pump Rules. I'm not. I'm not a reality television start.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, it's just not fair. It drives

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Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, because I'm actually more confused than ever,

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Speaker 1: because now I'm like, where does emotion fit into this?

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Speaker 1: And I don't. I'm sorry to keep doing crossfire and

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Speaker 1: pushing you to prove your point. In fact, I'm being

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Speaker 1: logical in that sense where I'm like, I'm not being

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Speaker 2: I guess what I was thinking more is like, like,

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Speaker 2: I think you pointed out like, yeah, that is kind

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Speaker 1: Know what is toxically logical, and I think where your argument. Really, uh,

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Speaker 1: does make a lot of sense. Is the law rather

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, right, that's basically what I was saying. Basically,

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Speaker 2: I just don't agree that laws are this higher power.

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Speaker 1: Binding, right exactly. Yeah, Jesus is mine? Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: the Bible, yeah, the Lord.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bless that's that's my law, the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, you know, emotion versus reason,

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Speaker 1: it is one of those eternal struggles where actually, if

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Speaker 1: I really think it depends on the it's a case

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go emotion still, really yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go full emotion and.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna choose reason. And I actually think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Whereas I'm just so empathetic and so you know, world,

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Speaker 2: I say, we need to we need to lead with feelings,

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Speaker 2: we need to lead with love.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you're going around, You're walking around the streets

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a really conservative moment recently. Do you

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Speaker 2: Up, shut up. Well I love when that stuff happened.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm the thing I do when I think about

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Speaker 2: haven't we all learned that it's like not necessarily about

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Speaker 1: Yes and no and no on average. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: on emotion versus reason.

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Speaker 2: Stat Yeah, I'm actually so scared that because we were

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to be domb is pretty much what's going on? Yes,

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Speaker 3: But it's good that he's weird because that movie is

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Speaker 1: Well exactly. And I'm also like, yeah you can. He

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Speaker 4: The and there you go, and there you go. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Then you do it because they've told you to.

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Speaker 1: I've been recently going through this. With flying. I was

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Speaker 4: And although the lounge yet, well that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: They really make you want to be rich in this world.

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Speaker 3: You're like in You're like they're in the pack and

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Speaker 2: I mean, the bathrooms alone will make me throw away

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Speaker 3: Well, then it's like once you get in the lounge

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Speaker 4: You're one of us. Now it's very secret fraternity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's those others behind are like as people as

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Speaker 1: Just like what hell, I'm sorry, sweetie, you don't have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I my chosen family. Well, it's everyone else

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Speaker 1: Delta. If you're listening, the world has been the ethos

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Speaker 3: Yes, can I tell you this to the extreme. A

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Speaker 4: It was a Baby Angeles? Where else where the fuck out?

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Speaker 3: But no, so there is this like the only way

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Speaker 4: Twenty four absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Then you they do this thing called Black Market Flea

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, how have we taken the idea of

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Speaker 1: Well, everything is the absolute lounge at Prime And now

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Speaker 3: Wow, I can't go to festivals now without VIP badge access.

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Speaker 2: I mean hardly I can go to a concert now.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can't even do regular movie theaters anymore. I

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I recently signed up for what's the one that has

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Speaker 1: I think it's AMC. It's the one that has like

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Speaker 1: unlimited movies. Yeah, but their chairs are like fully like

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Speaker 1: lazy boys, six thousands like these. This is a model

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Speaker 4: Rip sharper image, rip sharper image.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I miss it every day.

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Speaker 4: What is the one piece of life that should not

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Speaker 1: I mean allegedly democracy a literally healthcare?

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Speaker 3: But I have one medical What can I say? I

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Speaker 3: even have like elite lounge healthcare. Yeah, we were like

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Speaker 1: That was on? I think when GEO was on. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about how they should make voting more exclusive,

439
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Speaker 1: where they would have like a step and repeat with

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Speaker 1: sponsors on the wall that maybe people would make then

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Speaker 1: maybe people would go vote if they got like a

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Speaker 1: free smoothie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in the like reverse psychology way, you

444
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Speaker 2: should almost have to pay twenty five dollars and get

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Speaker 2: a wristband to go vote. Like that actually might make

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Speaker 2: people be like make it have to go, Like I

447
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Speaker 2: have to have that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like the stop Yeah, yeah, we all thought

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Speaker 3: that we could like stop this dictator with the wristband.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was such a weird time. It was weird

451
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Speaker 2: because even in the moment, it was like this is stupid.

452
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Speaker 2: But who am I to say now? But I'm just

453
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Speaker 2: some guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the solution is, like all the basic needs we have,

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Speaker 1: like housing, healthcare, things that are literally life or death,

456
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Speaker 1: maybe all of those should be completely uniform, Like literally

457
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Speaker 1: everyone should live in like box apartments that are mandated

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Speaker 1: by the government. But then outside of that, it's a

459
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Speaker 1: free for all, Like you can you can be a

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Speaker 1: billionaire in every other thing you do. You're like flying

461
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Speaker 1: everywhere with the private jet, you have a private out whatever,

462
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Speaker 1: but you have to go to the same doctors. There's

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Speaker 1: no one medical and you have to have the same

464
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Speaker 1: house as you know, a gay podcaster for instance. And

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Speaker 1: I think maybe that because then it's like, yeah, everyone

466
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Speaker 1: has the instinct to want something more exclusive and to

467
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Speaker 1: use their hard earned money. But at the very least

468
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Speaker 1: everyone can say a doctor, that's my solution. Yess.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that I want.

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Speaker 3: Tiered access for, Yes, are every hiking trail in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: the tier of folks who want to walk fast and

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Speaker 3: the tier of folks that were taking their self is

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Speaker 3: and watching their ugly chihah would be ugly. Wow, I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to move. Well, you're my own lane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're appreaching to the choir because Sam and I

476
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Speaker 1: just watched the movie Wild with Reese Witherspoon, and so

477
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Speaker 1: hiking is really on her mind. And guess what her

478
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Speaker 1: trip would have been a lot easier if she had

479
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Speaker 1: some exclusive white woman author trail that she could follow

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Speaker 1: it rather than being constantly preyed upon by men.

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Speaker 4: There you go, there you go. Wow, it fixed it.

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Speaker 4: Tiered access for hike.

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Speaker 2: Teared excess triking. It's funny that you say you like

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Speaker 2: walk fast while hiking, because I'm sort of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that was an option. Like in my mind,

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Speaker 2: all La hiking, like the Mountains of La are just

487
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Speaker 2: the natural step and repeat, like that's the entire.

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you my ultimate la hike. Uh and

489
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Speaker 3: it's not even for both dogs, only for the small

490
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Speaker 3: dog as he can handle it. But I'll do Wisdom Tree,

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Speaker 3: which is basically like a steep climb, like you're climbing

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Speaker 3: up a rock and when you get to the top

493
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Speaker 3: you can see the whole city. Always You're like the

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Speaker 3: burbank Ikia. But I purposely walk it up so fast

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Speaker 3: to where my heart rate is one forty or higher

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Speaker 3: the whole way, like I want it. And so I'll

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Speaker 3: be going and I'll be like checking heart right, heart rate,

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Speaker 3: go go, because that's how crazy I am.

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Speaker 1: Wow, wow, And because that has replaced the run for

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Speaker 1: the day, the hike interesting. It's stupid. No, it is

501
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Speaker 1: an unchecked anxiety disorder. I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's beautiful and it's it's it's self love.

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Speaker 4: So is ocd OCD is actually beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It is beautiful and we should all have it. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't have it, there's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, How slow of a hiker are you? Sam Taggert,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty slow.

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Speaker 2: I take my time, like because I love a run,

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Speaker 2: but when I'm hiking, I'm like, well.

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Speaker 4: This is in your meander? It's supposed to be, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And like being able to like like I hate having

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Speaker 2: to look at the ground while hiking. Also, and if

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Speaker 2: I'm going too fast, I feel I'm gonna need to

515
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Speaker 2: look at the ground to see what if I'm gonna

516
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Speaker 2: trip and fall. So that's sort of honestly, that's where

517
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Speaker 2: I'm at. And I think what I actually would love,

518
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Speaker 2: which I've never done and have no experience and not

519
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Speaker 2: even sure if it's real, But I think what I

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Speaker 2: want in my nature is if I were sort of

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Speaker 2: riding some sort of horse. I don't want a car,

522
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Speaker 2: but imagine you're like meandering on a horse.

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Speaker 4: I've done that. You want to walk next to a pony?

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Speaker 4: Is what you want?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 3: My neighbors across the street had a fifth birthday party

527
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Speaker 3: for their kid last weekend.

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Speaker 4: They had a DJ I think they had a food

529
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Speaker 4: truck and they have ponies.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just looking out the window the whole night

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Speaker 3: being like, it's a pony there, Oh my god. And

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Speaker 3: I've realized you actually want a pony by your side

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Speaker 3: whenever you're outdoors. Wouldn't that be great? You're just walking

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Speaker 3: around with the everyone's like Oh my god, it's a pony.

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Speaker 2: That would actually be so great.

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Speaker 1: It would also be great for your personal space because

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Speaker 1: you know, the natural a little more people will back up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you take that in the Whole Foods and no

539
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Speaker 3: one's bumping you.

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Speaker 1: I mean it out of my way. I feel like

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Speaker 1: when I go, you know, my A lot of my

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Speaker 1: family lives in Greece, and when I go to in

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Speaker 1: a lot of Greek islands, they have donkeys that are

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Speaker 1: there to carry your Like you literally get a donkey

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Speaker 1: to take you to your hotel and it will like

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Speaker 1: carry your luggage, and you know, it's its natural habitat.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think they're treated well by their you know, and

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Speaker 1: and you're sort of like, yeah, I would love to

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Speaker 1: have a donkey that is accompanies me around Manhattan and

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Speaker 1: even Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like a Pixar movie, I know, make it. Imagine

553
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Speaker 3: the big eyed donkey pot.

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Speaker 1: You know. I've always thought I my next move is

555
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Speaker 1: going to be writing, you know how the Pixar is

556
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Speaker 1: doing a movie for every kind of national background and

557
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Speaker 1: ethnic identity. I'm going to write the Greek one.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea, is it?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: What's it called? Oh God, oh God, Oh yeah, it's

561
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Speaker 1: called who's the main character? It could be a gay

562
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Speaker 1: donkey for sure. I also think it could be I mean,

563
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Speaker 1: going Pixar loves to fetishize an old wise grandmother, and

564
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, and then kill her at

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Speaker 1: the end, and I feel like it could be like

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Speaker 1: a Greek grandmother that's making musaka with magic ingredients or something.

567
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Speaker 2: I mean not they're completely basic, but it's gonna have

568
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Speaker 2: to have some of those Greek gods in there.

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Speaker 1: I was that was gonna be my next points. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna be Yeah, Like I think it's like it

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Speaker 1: starts grounded. There's a donkey, there's a grandma, and then

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Speaker 1: of course the Greek god's intervene. See that's donkey is

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Speaker 1: coming out as lgbt Q.

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Speaker 3: Plus, can we color blind cast because I have suggestions absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, the donkey can be literally

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Speaker 1: on your race because it's a donkey.

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Speaker 4: But which is the god with the snakes in her

578
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Speaker 4: hair or the hair is snakes?

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Speaker 1: Is not a it's not one of the gods. But

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Speaker 1: she is certainly a major supporting character.

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Speaker 3: She's in the mix, she's in the Mezza was Medusa

582
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Speaker 3: Lizzo should have gotten Ursula for Little Mermaid.

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Speaker 1: That is actually very true. I'm i gotta say I'm

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Speaker 1: nervous for a little wit I was gonna say I

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Speaker 1: And I can answer it because I've been thinking about

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Speaker 1: it all week and talk about it all week from

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Speaker 1: the other jobs going to be good or bad.

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Speaker 3: So on my Vulture podcast Into It, we have done

589
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Speaker 3: two interviews for an episode publishing next week on Just

590
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Speaker 3: Like the State of the Black Princess in Disney Lore.

591
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Speaker 3: So we talked to a pH d who studies black

592
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Speaker 3: girls in fantasy and she reviewed the first two times

593
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Speaker 3: that Disney tried Princess shit real big. It was Brandy

594
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Speaker 3: at Cinderella and the Princess and the Frog. Those two

595
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Speaker 3: were kind of mid. But then we interviewed Vulture's movie

596
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Speaker 3: critic Angelika Jade Bastian, and she ripped that film a

597
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Speaker 3: new one, Little Mermaid.

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Speaker 1: The new one. It serves no purpose, she says.

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Speaker 3: She's like, it's two hours long, but they really don't

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Speaker 3: add anything except a few lines of empowerment. The casting

601
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Speaker 3: has never explained, so you're like, why has everyone eighteen

602
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Speaker 3: different colors? I don't understand they do that live action thing.

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00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: That Disney has done where it's like too dark and

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Speaker 3: the animals look like they're in the Uncanny Valley. Says

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Speaker 3: there's no chemistry. She's like this movie like, sure it exists.

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Speaker 3: Good for Halle, but it's not good.

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Speaker 2: That's too bad.

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Speaker 3: They make him look too weird. Like also, she said,

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Speaker 3: all the new lin Manuel songs? Who needs more lin

610
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Speaker 3: Manuel songs at this point? Damn, somebody's got to say

611
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Speaker 3: it and listen. I respect Hamilton for the cultural revolution

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Speaker 3: it was, but it's a lind Manuel industrial complex at.

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Speaker 1: This point Angelica. When Angelica decides to pan something, it

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Speaker 1: is Oh, she goes in brutal in my she goes

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Speaker 1: in in my experience.

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Speaker 3: She also ripped the new Black Panther a new one

617
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Speaker 3: last summer with me, and I'm like, yeah, you go,

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Speaker 3: girl speak truth to power. Wow brief, so go see it.

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Speaker 3: You might not like it.

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Speaker 1: How is great? Yeah, I'm Charlie is great.

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Speaker 2: Does she do the songs? Well that's all I really want?

622
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I but I do think. I mean, I

623
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Speaker 1: can't you know, I can't really speak to the race

624
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Speaker 1: blind casting of it all. But to me, the the

625
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: the Uncanny Valley of the animals, and how dark everything is.

626
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Speaker 1: Really don't get it when you look at I don't

627
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Speaker 1: know whatever. I'm not saying anything you but like the

628
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: old Disney movies are so colorful and so made for children,

629
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Speaker 1: and it's such such a like joy to to watch

630
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Speaker 1: them with little kids because they're so excited.

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Speaker 3: But you know, and it's like, just because the technology

632
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Speaker 3: used to animate has advanced, doesn't mean you have to

633
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: always advance as far as you could go. Like, I know,

634
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 3: weren't they drawing the original Mermaide with like pencil and paper? Baby,

635
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Speaker 3: it worked, You could still do that. It worked.

636
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Speaker 4: Don't get me started.

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Speaker 2: Don't even get me started.

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Speaker 1: I'm also worried about the Bailey girls because I'm like,

639
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: there's too much pressure on them. There's a mandated vacation

640
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 1: and they need to both go to Hawaii and not

641
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: have to like answer to everyone every day for a

642
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: full year. They're too young. Oh yeah, yeah, I think

643
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: they rushed out that Chloe album too fast. I think

644
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Speaker 1: they both they've.

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Speaker 4: Been already out yet because they were teasing singles for

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Speaker 4: a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it came out, Yeah it is, Yeah, it's it's

648
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Speaker 2: They also need to get off social media, like they

649
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: need to like come in above everything, like.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, you know what's crazy. I'm sorry, but it's

651
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Speaker 1: like we have all that. We have a documentary for

652
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: every single woman that existed in two thousand and two.

653
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: Each of them is about how we mistreated them. And

654
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Speaker 1: then we're just like we keep doing the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We do it again, but like with different flavors.

656
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Speaker 3: All of the stuff with Chloe in Swarm, that was wild,

657
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, because she's in Swarm and like she had

658
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: to explain, like doing a sex scene, she's an adult.

659
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: This is what happens, Like what the fuck?

660
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have a lot of pressure on them, and

661
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: partly one is it's like for any woman who enters

662
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Speaker 3: the public spotlight as a pop whatever. If you come

663
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Speaker 3: into the world in that way as a teenager, will

664
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Speaker 3: a certain number of people always just see you as

665
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Speaker 3: a teenager. They'll always be seen as teenagers until they

666
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Speaker 3: like literally look forty five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think I thought Miley Cyrus was a teenager until

669
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Speaker 2: like a month ago.

670
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Speaker 3: Miley Cyrus didn't not being a teenager until she torked

671
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Speaker 3: on stage with Robin Fick. You'll recall the worst MTV

672
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Speaker 3: V made performance of all time. Yeah, not just Robin

673
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Speaker 3: Fick doing blurred lines, but Cyrus doing it with him

674
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Speaker 3: the way.

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Speaker 1: I remember that as though it was nine to eleven,

676
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Speaker 1: Like I remember where I was, I remember like reading

677
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Speaker 1: commentary about it. There was something and it was sort

678
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Speaker 1: of the last breath of MTV being able to get

679
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Speaker 1: any controversy out of something that was on the actual

680
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: like linear television channel, like because the VMAs used to be.

681
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Speaker 1: It's like every year it was on the controversial it

682
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: was like Brittany, yeah, yeah, and that was really the

683
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Speaker 1: last breath and there was something so deeply desperate about

684
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Speaker 1: it where it was it really like mark the end

685
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Speaker 1: of an era. Yeah, it was horrible.

686
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: Well should we do our should we do our first segment?

687
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Let's do our first segment. I'm I'm ready. Sorry I

688
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: talked to no, no, no no. We are apologized.

689
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Speaker 2: We love to sort of meander for as long as

690
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: we can and see where it goes.

691
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: Okay, a little free association.

692
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Speaker 1: Oh it is that is the That is the theme

693
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Speaker 1: of the day.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Sam Sam Sanders Sam s Our first segment

696
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Speaker 1: is called straight Shooters and talk about free association. Get ready.

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Speaker 1: In this segment, we test your familiarity with in complicity

698
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Speaker 1: in straight culture by asking you a series of completely nonsensical,

699
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: rapid fire questions where you have to choose one thing

700
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: or another thing. And the one rule is you are

701
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: not allowed to ask any follow up questions about how

702
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: the game works, and if you do, we will be furious.

703
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: So I choose one of the other things.

704
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Speaker 1: I hear a question, A question coming again, I'm going

705
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: to pretend I didn't hear it. Okay, Okay, Okay, Sam

706
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: taking away?

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00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Sam, Rocky Balboa or Jason Momoa.

708
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: Jason Momoa. He's apparently queer coated for the new Fascina.

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Speaker 1: Sure is this is what they're saying. That's what they're

710
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Speaker 1: saying that I actually love that too, That's right. Having

711
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: a dry sense of humor, or winning a wet T shirt.

712
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: Contest, winning a wet T shirt contest.

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00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, performing your civic duty, or performing defying gravity.

714
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Speaker 3: All right, let's see who had the best final riff

715
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: for defying gravity. There's like super cuts of all the

716
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: girlies singing in the end of defying gravity. Who wins

717
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: for you?

718
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: You know, Sam, I have to be honest, this is

719
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Speaker 2: still a question.

720
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Speaker 1: I have to know, I have to know, not believe

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 3: So your score is plunder, my credit score, my credits.

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Speaker 2: We we are partnered with the.

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Speaker 1: Partners with Yes with Credit KRMA. We're partnered with Credit Carma.

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Speaker 1: And as we speak, people are coming. You're losing your house.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, there are people at the door. They're

727
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Speaker 1: knocking at the door.

728
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: Now the movers are here.

729
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see a jury of your peers or Bill Murray.

730
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: Throughout the years, Bill Murray gives me weird vibes of

731
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: your peers.

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Speaker 2: Oh and we'll get to that. Okay. Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: jungle or goodbye to you, goodbye to everything that I knew.

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Speaker 3: Vanessa Carlton miss answer that, Michelle bra I think it's

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Speaker 3: low key offensive that I can conflate the two of those.

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Speaker 1: Great and we will be dealing with that as well.

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Speaker 1: I support them both, So that's my answer. Okay, let's

738
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Speaker 1: having tea at the American Girls Store or doing e

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Speaker 1: as an American on the dance floor.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a good one.

741
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Speaker 1: I've never done Eana dance floors. I want to try.

742
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got I know You're You're like quite

743
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Speaker 1: a quiet dinner party only I would never do a

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Speaker 1: dance floor. That's too obvious.

745
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of hack. Okay, having a vinyl collection

746
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: or getting a spinal correction.

747
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: Oh, I have a vinyl collection, and there you go.

748
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Speaker 4: And I it is one of.

749
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Speaker 1: The straighter things in my life, homeschooling your kid or

750
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: curating your grid. Curating your grid. Wow, wow, cre it's

751
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Speaker 1: more loyal. Sam Taggart, how do you think Sam Sanders

752
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: did well.

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Speaker 2: I think that was a stunning rejection of norms and

754
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: I found it to be activism actually, and sort of

755
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: standing up to.

756
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: The host of the podcast, he was painting the a

757
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: anarchy symbol on the wall resists.

758
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go ahead and go eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety two doves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, I'm going to agree completely,

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Speaker 1: Sam s. We rank everyone's performance on a scale of

762
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: zero to one thousand doves. And I'm gonna say, I'm

763
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna say that's true. I'm gonna say that's true. And

764
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that's a very high score.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I was hoping for eight fifty, which is the

766
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Speaker 3: highest credit score possible.

767
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Speaker 1: Oh oh, yes, well your credit score is in the tank.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, zero zero. Your credit score is zero to

769
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Speaker 1: be clear, but you did really well in the game. Okay.

770
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Speaker 2: The movers said they will wait until we finished recording

771
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: to collect your things. Yeah, and put them directly into

772
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Speaker 2: the dumpsters.

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Speaker 3: My last follow up is which defying gravity performance is

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Speaker 3: your favorite?

775
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is where you lose us because Sam

776
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: and I are not musical theater.

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Speaker 2: Gaze and this was a trap.

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Speaker 4: We Oh my god, I know.

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Speaker 1: It's really sad. It's it's thought. I thought I could

780
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: trust y'all. I know, look, and we led you astray.

781
00:35:59,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: We really did.

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00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, a bamboozled run a up.

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00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: The thing about hosting a podcast is that you think, okay,

784
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: you're a gay guy, you can do this, this is

785
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: in your blood, and then at some point someone's like, well,

786
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: which defining gravity is your favorite? And you're suddenly exposed

787
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: and suddenly because people assume you know everything, and then

788
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: it's like, and I just let them it's not you know,

789
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't have a disclaimer at the beginning of every episode.

790
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: It's like, by the way, these are my blind spots,

791
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: and there are many, but and I let people assume

792
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: that I know. And then right now I literally feel

793
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: like we're gonna be on the cover of Gay Podcaster Times,

794
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: and it's like, guess who actually doesn't know anything about

795
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: Defying gravity.

796
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm going to volture dot com right after this.

797
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's right. You literally are like in

798
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Speaker 1: charge of the website that can make or guys watch

799
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Speaker 1: this space. Wait, yeah, I can.

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Speaker 4: I want to assign y'all please some YouTube viewing.

801
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: So the end of Defying Gravity, literally the witch is

802
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: gliding up into the air hitting a big, fancy, high

803
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Speaker 3: last note, and there's supercuts of all the women who

804
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Speaker 3: have played that role hitting the last note and doing

805
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: their riffs. Yeah, and so it's just like eighteen of

806
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: the same riff in succession, and you can like pick

807
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: your favorite, and who is your favorite? I'm not gonna say.

808
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say, but I will say I am

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Speaker 3: going to say.

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Speaker 1: aDNA. Yeah, that's adena what I figured.

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Speaker 3: She's actually the one. Some other ones try to do

812
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: more with it, and some other ones maybe do more

813
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: fancy footwork towards the end, But she's the originator.

814
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: Sure, she really is.

815
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: Apparently her voice is shot now between that and Frozen,

816
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: she just did it too much.

817
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, I let me tell you something about aDNA.

818
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Speaker 1: Why didn't she get an oscar for uncut Gems?

819
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 4: Hmmm, hello, why didn't you Fox get an oscar.

820
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: For That's Tea? But I genuinely think both of them

821
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: should have been nominated for Supporting Actress. And I'm sure like, well, okay,

822
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: if Adina did that and then nothing happened, then like

823
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: we don't deserve her to be singing define gravity there

824
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Speaker 1: you go.

825
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually kind of excited for her to be

826
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Speaker 2: and stuff and not have to sing. You know.

827
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's great, She's really great.

828
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Speaker 2: She's more than just a little trickster.

829
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Speaker 1: You know. She recently surprised everyone at famed New York

830
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Speaker 1: gay bar Metropolitan and Williamsburg. She surprised everyone there during

831
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Speaker 1: a drag race viewing. Oh she showed was like, hey, girl,

832
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Speaker 1: she showed up. Yeah, and then like did a little

833
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: sort of a little number with Charlene, who's a local

834
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: drag queen, and I actually.

835
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Speaker 2: Sang yeah, she said, she did say yeah. It was

836
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Speaker 2: her last performance. She shot her voice entirely there at Metropolitan.

837
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: But that would be iconic if her you really like,

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Speaker 1: use the last of her vocal core with Charlotte and

839
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Politan.

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Speaker 2: Honey not the only politicans exploded to Metropolitan? Am I right?

841
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: Whoa this guy?

842
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

843
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Brother?

844
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: Wait, should we get into the topic.

845
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I think we have to. I think I have to wait. Metropolitan.

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Speaker 3: I don't live in New York, but I used to

847
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 3: get to work a lot, and I remember being there

848
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Speaker 3: a few times. But one time, like definitely kissing a stranger.

849
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: But that's what well, yeah, really have that vibe. I

850
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: mean that's where me and my boyfriend met. We met there.

851
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: There's nine years ago.

852
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 4: Oh yes, forever in gay years.

853
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true. And it was a one night stand.

854
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 2: And the aforementioned Julio was there with us. Who knew

855
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: that's how much was he there for? Oh we didn't

856
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: hook up with him, but he did watch Yeah, no,

857
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: but he was going to hook up with taking notes.

858
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: He was going to hook up with his friend, but

859
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: then something went wrong. They decided not to hook up.

860
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 4: And you saved the day the night.

861
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it still had a happy ending.

862
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: Well, when you found out he wasn't going to hook up,

863
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: you were like, well, someone has a hookup? What the

864
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: fuck are we doing at Metro? We've been here the

865
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: nearest twink you could find, and immediately went home with.

866
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: Him if only no, and the rest is his rest

867
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: is history, and now nine years later, the rest is history.

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Speaker 1: I the other night was like really romanticizing Metro does

869
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: summer barbecues.

870
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Speaker 4: Do you trust the barbecue at a gay club?

871
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say, Like, who knows where

872
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: those burger patties like this?

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00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I have had those burgers and I've never gotten sick. Yeah.

874
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so desperate for summer, and I'm

875
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: so desperate to be outside right exactly. Yeah, And I

876
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: was just like, God, I can't wait for Metro barbecue.

877
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: It was like the most delicious meal of the summer.

878
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: Oi oi Yeah, okay.

879
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 2: That's how we live out loud by eating questionable meat.

880
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, we're not having Irwan Bella thorn smoothies, Sam Sanders,

881
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: gorgeous hikes. No, yeah, sorry, we're slow in our hikes

882
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: and we are eating diseased burgers at disgusting gay bar.

883
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 2: It's called New York City, Okay.

884
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: Deal with it.

885
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: We do things a little bit different.

886
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've heard it's New York.

887
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into the topic. Sam not.

888
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that was dumb.

889
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, so tell us the topic that you brought

890
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: today and what about it? What about its straightness led

891
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: you to it?

892
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: I am bringing to the table a condiment of food

893
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: product that has been a big part of my life

894
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 3: for a very long time, but that has always left

895
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: me flummoxed when I try to consider it in any

896
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: way intellectually. This condiment exists at the intersection of race, class, gender,

897
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 3: and sexuality.

898
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: Say that some.

899
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 3: People call it Mayo, some call it ALEI. I call

900
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 3: it male naise with an L.

901
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: You put an el nace.

902
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: Wow?

903
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Are you from Are you from nice France? I would

904
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: like to be I would like to be. Okay, So Mayo.

905
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: This is a topic that we've talked about on multiple episodes.

906
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: I would say when we had Andy Honegan, we ranked,

907
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: we said which condiment was which part of the LGBTQ

908
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: plus spectrum. I don't really remember what we did for Mayo.

909
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: And then recently with Greta, we were talking about Mayo

910
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: as a sort of French It's a sort of Francophile

911
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: thing to like, makes your worldly, makes you sophisticated. Sam.

912
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: I want to Sam Taggart, I want to know your

913
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: history with Mayo.

914
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: I have been a mayo hater for most of my life,

915
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: and I was sort of like, but I think I

916
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: hated all condiments. I was, I'm no, I'm no frills

917
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: when it comes to my eating habits.

918
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: And so I was a metropolitan right like, wait, so

919
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: so would you just like have fries dry?

920
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

921
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: Seriously, Yeah, I was obsessed with that says a lot.

922
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: But so that is nuts, not to yuck, you're yum.

923
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: It's a little weird. It's a little weird.

924
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Well, but so I also thought, like mayonnaise, it has

925
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: bad pr. I would say, whoever's behind the pr of

926
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: mayonnaise has like h at least in my growing up,

927
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I was like, this is really bad for you. It's

928
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: sort of what I thought, like, this is one of

929
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: the worst things you can consume. But then in college,

930
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: like the sandwich place would just like put it on,

931
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: and because I didn't want to look like a baby,

932
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: I would be like, yeah, whatever, that's fine, that's fine.

933
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: So that's when I started eating it, and then I

934
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: realized maybe that I do like it, but I still

935
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: like didn't come out of the closet as liking it,

936
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: Like I would still sort of be like until today,

937
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: until today, Yeah, but.

938
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: Even now I see you hesitating, Well, I don't want to.

939
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: I don't want that to be part of my identity

940
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: that I like mannaise, you know what I mean?

941
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, you're ashamed.

942
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah I have shame. I have shame around it because

943
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: I don't know why, Sam Sanders, what's your relationship with mayonnaise?

944
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: So I guess for me, it's like I didn't start

945
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: to think about what Mayo means until like adulthood. I

946
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 3: first kind of found out through social Internet that Mayo

947
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: is like race coded, and then when I start to

948
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 3: think about that, I'm like, oh, how is it also

949
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 3: queer or straight coded as well?

950
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 4: But a large portion of black Twitter says that.

951
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: Mayo is just for the whites, and I have always

952
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: stood in defiant opposition to that claim.

953
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is definitely a widespread stereotype that is harmful

954
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: for multiple communities.

955
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And so once I made peace with that,

956
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 3: being a Mayo defender as an African American, honestly, I've

957
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: thought a lot about how, like, oh, is Mayo as

958
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: a condiment also straight coded or queer coded? And to me,

959
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: for several reasons, I'm going to say it's maybe queer

960
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: coded it originates in France.

961
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels gay.

962
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: It's made with oil, vinegar or lemon juice in egg yolk.

963
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Egg yo three gay ingredients. Totally just screams gay. Yeah,

964
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: when you're separating the way from the yolk, it's relaxed.

965
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're obsessed with Yes.

966
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: And the fact that every now and then Mayo just

967
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: goes by Aoli. Sis has another name for performance. She's queer.

968
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Aoli is her Sasha Fears. Yeah, exactly true.

969
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 4: If if your condiment has a Sasha Fears name, it's queer.

970
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: I think the just to be crossfire for a moment, though,

971
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: I would say that mayonnaise culturally implies like sort of

972
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: a fifties like traditional family, which to me feels very

973
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: straight and even conservative and family values.

974
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: This is why I'm confused by Mayo as an idea.

975
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: Right, right right. What happens is I think Mayo and

976
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: it's in its most basic state is straight, conservative family values.

977
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: Then Aoli was a chance to rebrand it as more sophisticated,

978
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: worldly queer.

979
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: And then they claim it's queer exactly.

980
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: But then people like Sam Sanders and I then re

981
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: reclaimed it and said, actually, Mayo Mayo. Mayo was the

982
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: original Ali, and Mayo is queer, and Mayo is French,

983
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: and Mayo is the sophisticated choice.

984
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: It's kind of the path of Beyonce's career. Guess what

985
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: she does, but now she's just Beyonce and damn it,

986
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: you will deal And the Renaissance tour has drag queens exactly.

987
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: And by the way, now it's when someone like talks

988
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: about Sasha Fiers, it's sort of like, oh, that's sort

989
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: of embarrassing, like that, yeah, you know what I mean,

990
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Like I don't know Sah Fierce. That was the sort

991
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: of not like her finest moment. She was like there

992
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: was some desperation in the Sasha Fierce character.

993
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: She wanted to get out, she wanted to escape.

994
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so this this fifties thing I talked about before.

995
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I also do feel like in general that like food

996
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: and drink esthetic is really popular right now, like every place,

997
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: like it's like the Martini and the like clastic club

998
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: sandwich with a lot of Mayo and like this thing.

999
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like we're like once to boy

1000
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: from like creamed corn being like the trendiest food you

1001
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: could eat.

1002
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: Oh baby, it never went away from me.

1003
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like fetish Isa. It's like Midwest food, diner food,

1004
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: like old New York like Times Square, Olive Garden and

1005
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: Times Square.

1006
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: Like everyone saw the movie Carol and said that's what

1007
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: all restaurants will be starting now.

1008
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, everyone saw Carol, as one knows everyone who was

1009
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: bigger than the Avengers.

1010
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: Carol. It was bigger than the Avengers. And then actually

1011
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: Carol joined the Avengers as a superhero. Superpower is glancing.

1012
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: Glancing figure speaking of superheroes. Just total sidebar. I just

1013
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: saw The New Guardians of the Galaxy just because I

1014
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: love the Raccoon. This film they give the raccoons a

1015
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 3: backstory and it's tortures and makes you cry. Is the

1016
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: Raccoon and Gardens of the Galaxy. See, they don't address

1017
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 3: his sexuality. They make him sound straight, but he feels he.

1018
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,280
Speaker 2: Definitely us bisexual energy.

1019
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: It definitely gives bisexual and I'll say it Polly, Yeah,

1020
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of toxic Polly, Oh, toxic poly yeah, sort of

1021
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: a poly fuck boy, I would say, bisexual poly fuck boy. Yeah,

1022
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: with the heart of gold. No, no, no, okay, all right? Noted?

1023
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: Well, Also, Sam, is there a part of you in

1024
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: there that is like finds the raccoon like emotionally kind

1025
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: of hot, Like are you kind of into it?

1026
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 4: I want to fix him. I want to fix him.

1027
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: It is really there. You can't always make Yeah, they

1028
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: always make animals like hot hot.

1029
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: He's broken and that attracts me. I love a broken man. Sure,

1030
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: put it back together?

1031
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: Got a project, right? Yeah, Okay, so I guess okay,

1032
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: the Mayo conversation.

1033
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, to bring it back, to bring it back.

1034
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: Star about that?

1035
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: I think in America, like, yes, we can say it

1036
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: was invented in France, but like, no one's walking around

1037
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: assuming mayonnaise is invented in France, you know what I mean?

1038
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: Until until until there's a terror attack and you got

1039
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: freedom Fries, right, the next terror attack, they might go

1040
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: the same route with mayonnaise, And then Marco Rubio is like,

1041
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 3: we can only call it French aoli in.

1042
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: Its band Ooh yeah, wow that could happen. Well, that

1043
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: would make it more chic. If Republicans came out staunchly

1044
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: against Mayo, then the sort of like still with her

1045
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: nasty woman crowd would really adopt it as a sign

1046
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: of as a sign of social progress.

1047
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 4: Mayo hats not pushing Mayo.

1048
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 2: Hats dripping what flies flying around?

1049
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like how, I don't know what

1050
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: it was. It like bud Light had some ad with

1051
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: some queer influencer and then people were like, yes, Dylan

1052
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: mulvaney in fact, and then people were like, well, we

1053
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: love bad light, so maybe they The best thing for

1054
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: a brand is for there to be some kind of

1055
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: moral panic. Yeah, and I think Mayo could use that,

1056
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: It could use it.

1057
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 4: How did Freedom Fries even go that path?

1058
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: Because I don't know how French fries got caught up

1059
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: in the War on Terror, but they did. But I

1060
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: remember that, like for a while they were calling them

1061
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: freedom Fries.

1062
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what happened?

1063
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 4: I'm googling.

1064
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think they just sort of like kind

1065
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: of lost. Like it was almost like the clapping at

1066
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: the healthcare workers in the pandemic, Like I feel like

1067
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: it's just sort of.

1068
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: Like banging your banging your pots and pans. I was

1069
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: that guy banging my pot and pan. Ah No, they

1070
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: just wanted fair wages and masks. Banging on motherfucking pot

1071
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 3: and pan.

1072
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: We can't be held accountable for things we do when

1073
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: we're in shock, and in fact, the powers that be

1074
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: there's actually the thesis of Naomi Clin's a shock doctrine.

1075
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: The powers that be use the aftermath of a big

1076
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: shock to make changes that people accept because they feel

1077
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,919
Speaker 1: sort of vulnerable that then have that I mean, that's

1078
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: like what the war on Terror was. Yeah, and that's

1079
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: what banging pots and pans was. So if only Mayo

1080
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: can find a way to take advantage of that dynamic,

1081
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: then we'll be good to go. Bam.

1082
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 3: Freedom Fries was a politically motivated renaming of French fries

1083
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 3: in the US. The term was created in February twenty

1084
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: twenty three in a North Carolina restaurant and was widely

1085
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: publicized a month later when the then Republican Chairman of

1086
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: the Committee on House Administration, Bob Ney, renamed the menu

1087
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: item in three congressional cafeterias. The renaming occurred in context

1088
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Speaker 3: of France's opposition to the proposed invasion of Iraq.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's makes sense, you know, try because that tracks

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00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: there was a lot of proxy warfare happening with food

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00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: at the time. I distinctly remember during the Bush hears

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00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: Is when my family left America and people there was

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00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot of anti American sentiment, and people would express

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00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: it by boycotting like Coca Cola. Oh my god, that'll

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: get them. Yeah. It's like it's like, okay, here we

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00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: were boycott. Here, we were renaming French fries abroad. They

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00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: were boycott cut in Coca Cola. Meanwhile, guess what the

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00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: war was going on?

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00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, raytheon still got paid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. There were no troops that were like, oh, I'm sorry,

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00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: they're boycott in Coca Cola.

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00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 4: We gotta send us shut it down, shut it down.

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00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It feels great to have no power as

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00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: a citizen.

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00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. This is sort of back to the

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00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: law thing.

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00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 3: What kind of political event would have to happen to

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00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 3: politicize may Ao AOI okay, perfect question.

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00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: Let me think.

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00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: This is a great question. I'm struggling.

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, a Republican politician would have to It

1113
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: would have to be a sort of remember when doctor

1114
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: Oz had that thing about the crew to Tay and

1115
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: he like misspoke, No what happened? Yeah, he was like

1116
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: he said like, oh, I'm like a inflation. He was like,

1117
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm out and I'm getting some ingredients for cru to

1118
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: tay and like the broccoli is too expensive or whatever,

1119
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: and then John Feder Everyone's.

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00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: Like fine to say you're not an American.

1121
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: So basically something like that needs to happen, where someone

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: is gonna like Ron de Santis accidentally is like, well,

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00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: you know when I put Mayo in my fries, and

1125
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: then Trump is like, Mayo, what are you a queer?

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00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: Yes, we need rod Antis and a restaurant where the

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00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 3: menu item he orders has Mayo but the menu calls

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00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: it aoli.

1130
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 4: Yes, And someone from Axios.

1131
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: To Politico takes a picture of him eating of dipping

1132
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: a fry in what is aoli? That sparks aoli gate?

1133
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: He gets mad. He says, from now on, you cannot

1134
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: call it. Actually, he says, from now on, it cannot

1135
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: be a Disney World.

1136
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: No Mayo, that's good. No Mayo at Disney World.

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00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the culture war that I want to

1138
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 4: see happen.

1139
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: And then Mayo will boycott, would like, yeah, not send

1140
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: any more Mayo to Florida. Florida would become the maoist state.

1141
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: Yes, but then there will be an influx of viral

1142
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: tiktoks of people bringing their own Mayo to Disney World

1143
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: restaurants and they would order fry yes, yeah, and they'd

1144
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: be like yeah, like little travel containers and they'd be

1145
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: like proudly eating Mayo in the in my home state

1146
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: of Florida.

1147
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: I stand with Mayo. Hashtag guys, stand with Mayo? Can

1148
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 3: we make this happen? I want this?

1149
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Okay? Wow, you know what, Let's politicize Mayo. Done.

1150
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: Let's politicize Mayo.

1151
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: That's the Straighter Lab challenge for the summer twenty twenty

1152
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: three listeners.

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00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 4: Do you hear us queer the Mayos?

1154
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: It's actually sort of up to It's up to each

1155
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: person individually to figure out what Mayo means to them. Like,

1156
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be straightforwardly coded as conservative

1157
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: or liberal. I think every person should should decide what

1158
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 1: it means to them and then let the market decide.

1159
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: There you go, so helpful, there you go? So yeah,

1160
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: what is the hashtag for this? I brought up?

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00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 4: I stand with Mayo? Can we Aoli in the mix?

1162
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 2: Like?

1163
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: What is the hashtag?

1164
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 3: Ray?

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00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: Right? Uh? Yeah? Mayo, Mayo, Mayo?

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00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: Mayoh No you didn't Mayo?

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00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: No you didn't? Yeah Mayo? No you did it? What

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00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: about AOI Uh, I'm walking here. That's such a really

1169
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: difficult I love it. I love it.

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00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 2: Well, we found a way to politicize Mayo. Which one

1171
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: more thing about Mayo is that I feel like, yes,

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00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: like branding wise, it's weird to me that we still

1173
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: like it's weird to me that there's not like like Hellman's.

1174
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: I guess it's like the number one Mayo, but it

1175
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 2: doesn't like.

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00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 4: And I don't know why, and I don't know. I mean,

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00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: what are they bringing to the table.

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: And it doesn't like the name Hellman's doesn't like conjure

1179
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: anything for me in a way where I'm like, you're

1180
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: the number one provider of Mayo, you have failed to

1181
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 2: capture the imagination of what Mayo could be.

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00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: Well.

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00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: Also, there's another path where it's like all the Mayo

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00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: and Aoli producers could band together to just advertise for

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00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: the product itself, like all of the dairy farmers like

1186
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: the milk campaign together, so it's like instead of a

1187
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 3: got Milk campaign, we have a got Mayo campaign, and

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00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: there's just Mayo on your upper.

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00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: Lists totally, Oh is that hot?

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00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: That is?

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00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: And then talk about queer codd.

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00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 4: That'd be queer coded. The egg yolk cream is on

1193
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 4: my lips.

1194
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: It's like someone getting off their knees and then looking

1195
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: at the camera and just like rubbing the mayo off

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00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: the lips.

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00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: Be like a yo.

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00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it's like, you know, it's sort of

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00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, you think it's dirty, but then you pan

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00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: down and what they were doing was eating a hot

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00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: dog with me.

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00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: And then it's like an actually, like actually mayo contained

1203
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: seventeen essential vitamins and.

1204
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: That's right. You know, all of that probably has a

1205
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: lot of proteins of all that egg yolk.

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00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: Egg yok you got a yoke is no joke.

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00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, we're already the ad copy is writing itself.

1208
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: This is there. You go, there you go.

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00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, we like kind of covered meo, like we've

1210
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 2: actually gotten to the bottom of it. And I think,

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, we we did make an argument it has

1212
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: both claws in the gay and straight communities. And yes,

1213
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: so you know it's I think, which is why it's

1214
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 2: so ripe to be politicized. And and so there we go.

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00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: As I said earlier, Mayo exists at the crossroads of

1216
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: condiment intersectionality. No, it's really true, and knowing that it

1217
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 3: needs and wants further and continued study and acceptance.

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00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: M Yeah, yeah, well I'm listening and.

1219
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 1: Learn where we're doing the worst. We're doing the worst,

1220
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: of course, yeah yeah, But it's just the beginning. The

1221
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: great work continues. In the words of Dina.

1222
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: Manzelle, should we do our final segment?

1223
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean I think we might as well.

1224
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: George, will you introduce it?

1225
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: Of course I would be honored and thrilled to sam.

1226
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called UH shout outs, and in

1227
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: this segment we pay homage to the straight oral tradition

1228
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: of the radio shout out thing TRL in two thousand

1229
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: and three. Think calling into the Z one hundred Z

1230
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: Morning Zoo. You are giving a shout out to something

1231
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: that you are supporting, something that's making you happy, and

1232
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: something that you want everyone else to go check out.

1233
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: And actually I can. I could go first love it. Okay,

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00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: let's see what's up, listeners. It's your boy, George, and

1235
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to stopping

1236
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: reading a book if you're not enjoying it. I have

1237
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: so much shame and so much guilt about stopping a book.

1238
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: It makes me, it makes me feel like it is

1239
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: wasted time, like it is like I have just you know,

1240
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: it's like I'm forty pages and why not read another

1241
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: four hundred pages? But guess what, life is short and

1242
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: books are long. Yeah, so if you're gonna read one,

1243
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: read one that you like. I recently started reading a book,

1244
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: a book that has been recommended to me for many years.

1245
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: And guess what. It was even a short book, and

1246
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm fifty pages in, what's another one hundred pages?

1247
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: But you know what else I could do for those

1248
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: hundred pages? Great a book I actually like. So I

1249
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: just want everyone to say, I feel empowered. Get out there

1250
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: and just guess what, if you read two pages of

1251
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: a book, it counts. Just put it in your little

1252
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: notesapp thing that has all the books you read that year.

1253
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: No one's gonna check it, no one's gonna fact check.

1254
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: You.

1255
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid and don't be ridden with guilt and shame,

1256
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: and just put that book away, maybe burn it, who cares?

1257
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: And then pick up another one and read that one

1258
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: and that one too.

1259
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I can go now.

1260
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: I love it.

1261
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,479
Speaker 2: That's genius and very helpful, especially with summer just around

1262
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 2: the corner.

1263
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: Exactly.

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: Okay, what's up, preclusers and perverts. I want to give

1265
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: a huge shout out to Zelda Tears at the Kingdom.

1266
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: That's right, I'm gaming. I'm gaming. I'm back on my

1267
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: gaming stuff. I recently beat elden Ring, which I didn't

1268
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: think was possible, but nevertheless, she persisted, and now I

1269
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: picked up this game and it is as fun as

1270
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: everyone says. Gaming is complicated because I don't feel smarter

1271
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 2: by doing it, but I do have fun and i'm

1272
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: It's actually feels like maybe the only leisure in the world,

1273
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: because I don't feel like I'm bettering myself by doing it,

1274
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: but nevertheless I have to do it. It's fun. It's

1275
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: fun to see videos of other people playing it and

1276
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: being like, oh, I didn't know you could do that.

1277
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: I love building community, even if it's through gaming. One

1278
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: of the most talks the communities you can find.

1279
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: But Zelda is a.

1280
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: Good game, and I'm only played the beginning and I

1281
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: look forward to diving in even further.

1282
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: Xoxo bye. I love it. Sam Sanders. Whenever you're in

1283
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: and you're ready, all right, what up?

1284
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 4: What up? What up?

1285
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: What up?

1286
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: What up? Listeners, it's your boy.

1287
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: DJ Sammy Sam, and I want to give a shout

1288
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: out today on the radio to getting dressed up to

1289
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: take their dog on a wall oo. Life is hard,

1290
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 3: pandemic has been rough, You're still working from home. What

1291
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: the fuck else do you have to look forward to today?

1292
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 3: Get dressed up, wear that Les Labo cologne, polish your

1293
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: birken stocks. Honey, get out in these streets and look

1294
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: better than every other gay man walking there.

1295
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 4: Overpriced dog you deserve.

1296
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: It's a win that you need.

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01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 4: Where a tuxedo as you walk your dog every day?

1298
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 4: I allow that. That's my shout out.

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01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: I love I love that I've got to wear while

1300
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: you walk your dog. Sam Taggert, you should try that. Yeah.

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01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: I actually I'm always torn when I walk the dog.

1302
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: Should I look absolutely horrible and like sort of make

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01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: a statement about how like just because I'm in public

1304
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: doesn't mean needing to give up my private life. Or

1305
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,959
Speaker 2: should I look incredibly snatched and gorgeous and show these

1306
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: people what real dog walking looks like.

1307
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: Yes, let me tell you my aesthetic for dog walks,

1308
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 3: and I will I will own this. I have multiple

1309
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: wardrobe changes before I figure it out.

1310
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm giving.

1311
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 4: Silverlake, Dad of moderately aspirational wealth.

1312
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: That's so taste.

1313
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: That's my vibe. Wow.

1314
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, so like you can tell that he's trendy

1315
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: but not too trendy. You can tell that he's moneyed

1316
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 3: but not too moneyed. You can tell he works out

1317
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: but not too much. And he's a cool dad.

1318
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

1319
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe he works in the music industry.

1320
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: Yes, he used to have an indie label. He knows

1321
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: the guys from MGMT.

1322
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh suh Wow, that's a cool yuy. Yeah, it's a

1323
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: cool he's actually jammed with them. Yeah. Oh yeah.

1324
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 3: And he's got two screenplays kind of in the mix

1325
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: right now, waiting for things to you know, get snatched up,

1326
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: so he has more time with the kids right now.

1327
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's my vibe.

1328
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: I love that.

1329
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: And do you know who the godfather of his daughter,

1330
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: Harlowe is Scooter Brown.

1331
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 4: And she is named Harlow. That child his name Harlow.

1332
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: Yes.

1333
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Well, what a beautiful picture we've painted. Will Sam,

1334
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing the podcast. This has

1335
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: been a delight This was delightful.

1336
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 4: I'm a fan. I loved having y'all on my show.

1337
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: I love being.

1338
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: Just gay beauty.

1339
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 3: I still am replaying that moment of us to deciding

1340
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 3: that bed, bath, and beyond is decidedly, very very queer.

1341
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful moment of audio. That's actually a beautiful

1342
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: moment of audio.

1343
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 4: That was robust.

1344
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: Reasoning on our party.

1345
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: That was really a beautiful moment. Wow.

1346
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Well, well that being said, everybody get out there and

1347
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: get and put some mayonnaise on your food, yes.

1348
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: Okay, and your body and moisturizes.

1349
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: Got mayo. Bye bye, bye bye