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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Saw and now your hosts Isaiah Stanback,

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Speaker 1: heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's edition of

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: various streaming websites. Welcome into the show, everybody, and glad

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Speaker 1: you're with us here. Over the next forty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of fun Cowboys storylines to hit

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Speaker 1: for once. There's a bunch of uff going on that

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are having positive storylines this today, So I

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Speaker 1: think that's a that's a something we're gonna hit coming

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Speaker 1: up here over the next couple of minutes. But it's

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's back as always, alongside our resident Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Champion and today resident grumpy pants mister Isaiah stand back.

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Speaker 1: We've got our Cowboys insider Rob Phillips and our professional

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Speaker 1: football analyst mister heck My Harrison. Isaiah, why are you

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Speaker 1: so grumpy? Or can we just push past the grumpy

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Speaker 1: in us? How about this. Let's just push past it. Right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna push past it. Man, We're gonna push past

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Speaker 1: the ups and downs of being an entrepreneur. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that sometimes things just don't go your way.

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Speaker 1: I can I can read these like spot right now,

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Speaker 1: let's jump, let's jump the sap. I need some need

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Speaker 1: some I need some fine tune lenses to see past

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Speaker 1: some of this craft. I'm dealing with it. Come on, heck,

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Speaker 1: we're getting after Isaiah before we got on the show,

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Speaker 1: saying oh you gotta be ready. Well, yeah, I'm gonna accountability, bros.

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Speaker 1: We're good. We're good. Yeah. Well, we'll keep each other

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Speaker 1: accountable here in the trust tree, right, Rob. Absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: we got fun stats. Boop. I mean that should that

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Speaker 1: should cheer everybody up. I'm curious to see what those are. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear about a couple of them from you

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Speaker 1: here to start things off. And that's from yesterday. In

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Speaker 1: terms of the practice and the injury report for the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys made it back to practice and

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Speaker 1: on the field yesterday. Treymon Diggs, who of course has

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Speaker 1: Any updates around those guys and how did they look

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Speaker 1: yesterday and practice? Rob Yeah, I did the pool report

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Speaker 1: a court now with the NFL and these intensive protocols,

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Speaker 1: if it's an indoor practice, they got to do a

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Speaker 1: pool report from in house media. So I did see

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Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs out there doing some individual drills. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: he looked fine. So that's that's encouraging, you know, coming

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Speaker 1: off the foot deal. Isaiah could speak to this, you know,

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Speaker 1: see how it responds, how sore he is today because

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Speaker 1: this will be this will definitely be their heaviest work

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Speaker 1: to see kind of where he's at going into this week.

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Speaker 1: Zeke did not practice. He was on the chords with

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Speaker 1: So they're just trying to manage him for Sunday. I

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Speaker 1: think and watching the Miracle movie from Disney back in

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Speaker 1: so just fight through it. How big would that be

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Speaker 1: improved Treyvon Dicks from before he was on IR Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But hey, Kyle, don't sleep on Brandon Iyop now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: dolls ball. There is a lot of disrespect in that statement.

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Speaker 1: So heck, are you saying that if you had Brandon

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Speaker 1: are you on your fantasy team, that you would play him? Immediate? Yes, yes, immediately, yes, Rob,

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Speaker 1: What do you expect that at Treyvon Diggs? Well, I

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and Rob. I know you were a part

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Speaker 1: and Man. I thought it was awesome. I really did

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Speaker 1: the way that he kind of talked about his journey

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Speaker 1: quick symnopsis of what Randy had to say yesterday. And

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Speaker 1: he's gone through. He didn't go into detail on everything,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah man, he needed a bit of an uptick.

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Speaker 1: You needed that that exploded. Got gotta bring the juice.

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Speaker 1: And then Rob Phillips as always Chris Beam holding down

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Speaker 1: the fourth back in the studio. And before we move

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Speaker 1: on to this game preview, boys, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about l P. Lattis or another cool story coming out

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Speaker 1: this week. For the Cowboys, as he'll play his two

487
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty first game for the Dallas Cowboys. He's

488
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Speaker 1: played sixteen seasons and by the way, he would become

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Speaker 1: the most tenured Canadian born player in the NFL's history

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Speaker 1: with his game coming up this weekend. And he's also

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Speaker 1: just Momoli that is, he's also just two games away

492
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Speaker 1: from finishing the year at two fifty three, and that

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Speaker 1: would tie Jason Witten for most games played in the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys uniform. So uh, And of course there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: suggest that he doesn't come back next year and break

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Speaker 1: Jason Witton's records. So's he's got some milestones coming up

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Speaker 1: here this weekend against San Francisco. But LP bring it

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Speaker 1: in in. LP was there when you were there, right, Isaiah.

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Speaker 1: LP has been there forever. I saw him in the

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Speaker 1: garage we were coming in for his show one day

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Speaker 1: and I was like, LP, well years, it's one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy second. He was like, yeah something like that. Um, yeah, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a large human being who does his job and

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Speaker 1: does it well and well respected by by many guys

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Speaker 1: that have come through this organization. So hats off to him.

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Speaker 1: It's a good dude, just real quick. His story is

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Speaker 1: just cool. You know, two thousand and five Cowboys go

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Speaker 1: out to the Bay Area to play back to back

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers Raiders, and they needed they needed a

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Speaker 1: long snapper. And he's he's at cal Berkeley. They just

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Speaker 1: bring him in because he's down the street. And h

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Speaker 1: what is it like? What'd you say? Seventeen years later

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Speaker 1: fifteen here. He is one of the longest tenure players

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Speaker 1: in Cowboys history, and he does his job as well

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Speaker 1: as anybody. It's a singular it's a singular job, but

516
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Speaker 1: he does it as well as anybody, and on the

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Speaker 1: entire team and then the league too. He's been in

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl before. And I think, I think, I

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Speaker 1: think after that rule change too, where you couldn't you know,

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Speaker 1: after that, after that rule change where they say you

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Speaker 1: ball snap, dude, I think that extended his career at

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Speaker 1: least another seven years. So I say he'll probably get

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Speaker 1: about twenty four year seasons in here with the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I'm around there. Well, And that's the thing about long

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Speaker 1: snappers is most I guess if you're not a diehard

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Speaker 1: Cowboys fan, you don't know who Lpe Latticer is. You

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Speaker 1: really don't. He's the long snapper for the Cowboys. If

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Speaker 1: you're listening to Talking Cowboys, you probably know exactly who knows.

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing is, no one knows who he is,

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Speaker 1: at least name wise outside of the organization because he

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Speaker 1: does his job so well. You don't want to know

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Speaker 1: the name of the long snapper because you want that

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Speaker 1: job to be such an automatic, such a a routine

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Speaker 1: thing that you won't ever have to hear his name called.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happens. Is he's been so consistent.

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Speaker 1: He's been somebody who consistently gets his job done at

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Speaker 1: a high level. And congratulations to him getting two fifty

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Speaker 1: one coming up on Sunday. That's that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: football games. Now, let's look at this Cowboys offense versus

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco defense today. How will this offense continue

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the success that they had last

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Speaker 1: week against the Cincinnati Bengals. And I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 1: heckm Harrison here, mister Heckma, I know you've looked at

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Speaker 1: the tape. I know you've studied the San Francisco defense.

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Speaker 1: They're a little banged up on that defensive line and

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Speaker 1: they're getting older in the secondary. But what part of

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Speaker 1: this defense worries you the most? Matchup wise? Oh? Man,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot even with the injuries, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. And I always I went back

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Speaker 1: after I was watching the tape of something that Isaiah

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Speaker 1: said in film study when we went up against Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and how that wide non position that Miles Garrett was

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Speaker 1: causing those problems, and they're gonna Eric Armstead is going

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Speaker 1: to come with that, and also believe it's Kerrie Hyder

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Speaker 1: junior at the other end as well. So look, man,

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Speaker 1: for me, first of all, man, just thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I missed Dak Prescott so much. I just

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Speaker 1: gotta say that I missed that. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he ever crosses your mind, you know, I just I

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Speaker 1: missed that, dude. And you know, with a game like this,

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Speaker 1: you realize that Andy Dalton is gonna have to use

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Speaker 1: his feed to get away from that pass rush because

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Speaker 1: Javon kin Law, the guy from South Carolina that you

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Speaker 1: talked about a lot during the Draft show, He's there

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Speaker 1: as well, and so he's a young guy. He's learning

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Speaker 1: the roads. But in this defense, you know that front seven, Man,

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Speaker 1: these guys are really good at what they do. Some

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Speaker 1: of the stunts splits that they have is amazing. The

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Speaker 1: way that they create that space and just spread you out.

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Speaker 1: They even outflank you put a bunch of guys on

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Speaker 1: one side and bring that five all the way back

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Speaker 1: into the A gap. But also talking to Isaiah a

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Speaker 1: pre show about Richard Sherman. You know, Richard Sherman is

576
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Speaker 1: a guy that's played for ten years in this league,

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Speaker 1: and although his athletic ability may not be where it

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Speaker 1: was when he started in Seattle, but it's because he's

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Speaker 1: such a cerebral player. And when you watch some of

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Speaker 1: the things that he does on tape, you know, end

581
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Speaker 1: zone in man, you could tell that he is you

582
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: know a lot of other guys are feeding off of

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Speaker 1: what he does. So I'm really intrigued about the matchup

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Speaker 1: between he and Amari Cooper, just you know, seeing two

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Speaker 1: dogs go against each other before our offense. Man, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be all about being balanced in the running game,

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Speaker 1: and also you know, making those short throws that Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton can make but just no matter what happens, man,

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Speaker 1: if that adversity strike, I'm just looking for Kelly Moore

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Speaker 1: to stick to that play sheet and let's not throw

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Speaker 1: the ball fifty times this game. Isaiah. Yeah, I'm worried

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Speaker 1: about the front seven and coach Sale. Um. Um, he's aggressive.

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Speaker 1: He's an aggressive dude. I was with him, he was

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Speaker 1: a young youngster. I guess in this coaching league, down

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Speaker 1: and down in Jacksonville, and he's Um, he's aggressive. Man,

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Speaker 1: that dude is aggressive. He's gonna try to he's gonna

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Speaker 1: try to test us. He understands that this officsive line

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Speaker 1: has been beat up. He understands that they're not in

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Speaker 1: continuity yet. Um, and he's gonna test that. You know

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Speaker 1: you already talked about it. Hecking that forms the stunts.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have his his two goons at defensive end.

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Speaker 1: Obviously those guys are both out with with ACLSU. But

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Speaker 1: guess what, Just like we said, the DNA is a

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Speaker 1: DNA and he's going to continue to do what he

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Speaker 1: does regardless of the personnel. So that's what I'm more

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Speaker 1: concerned about more than anything, not so much as individual matches,

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Speaker 1: and more so just scheme more just just like I

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Speaker 1: said yesterday, on the offensive side of the ball, I'm

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Speaker 1: worried about their offensive scheme. So I think this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be an offensive coordinativersity defensive coordinator type of day. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know what, which Kelly Moore shows up and can

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Speaker 1: he beat can he beat the more aggressive sale? So

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Speaker 1: that's it? Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked yesterday about the forty nine ers running game

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Speaker 1: and how it hasn't been what it was last year.

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Speaker 1: But they've got the scheme that makes you worry about it,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it goes all the way back to

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Speaker 1: to still get production when you don't have d Ford,

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Speaker 1: when you don't have Nick Bosa. And I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Carrie Hyder in this game just because he's played here,

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Speaker 1: he's their leading sack guy after being kind of just

624
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Speaker 1: a rotation guy here. But if you go back to

625
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Speaker 1: he's reunited with his defensive coordinator or line coach, I

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Speaker 1: believe from Detroit where he had eight nine sacks in

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Speaker 1: a season, and you mentioned heck the wide nine. Look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I get yeah that that could be a

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Speaker 1: problem when you put your offensive tackles out in space

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Speaker 1: and have to have to you know, block those guys,

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Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's Terence Steele or Brandon Knight on

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Speaker 1: I'm also looking for uh, you know, Armstead inside potentially

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Speaker 1: in those passing situations against you know, maybe maybe we

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Speaker 1: see Tyler Biadis back in the starting lineup this week.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure of that, but you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: lineup and and I think that'd be a good matchup

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Speaker 1: to see can they can they protect Andy Dalton and

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Speaker 1: stop the turnovers because I think only the second time

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Speaker 1: all year they didn't have a turnover last Sunday against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: so that's huge, you know, protect the football and Rob

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Speaker 1: I don't want, I don't want to blow pass the

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Speaker 1: point that you made about the wide nines, and Heckman

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Speaker 1: said it too. The wide nine technique and for those

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Speaker 1: that are listening, is so dangerous. Um. The reason why

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Speaker 1: it's so dangerous specifically against a team like us when

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00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: we're hurting at the tackle position, and because it literally

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Speaker 1: puts these guys on the island. Um, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: you're talking about defensive ends that are lining up three

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Speaker 1: yards outside of the you're in man on the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage or whether that's your tackle or you're tight end,

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Speaker 1: no matter who's out there, they're going to line up

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Speaker 1: two to three yards outside of that person and then

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Speaker 1: they're going to rush upfield. Well what does that do? Well,

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Speaker 1: they still have their defensive tackles on you know, inside

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Speaker 1: and the B gap. So your officer, so your office,

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Speaker 1: a guard can't go help, your guard cannot go help.

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Speaker 1: So what does that do? It literally puts these guys,

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Speaker 1: these tackles on an island about a five yard span

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Speaker 1: where they are solely by themselves. So any little mistake

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Speaker 1: that they make all of a sudden, that could turn

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Speaker 1: into a potential strip set, that could turn into a fumble,

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Speaker 1: that could turn into a whatever, you know, and it

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Speaker 1: just a lot of bad plays can happen from that.

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Speaker 1: And you talk about, you know, not wanting to throw

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Speaker 1: the ball a bunch of times, Well think about drop.

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Speaker 1: If you throw the ball forty times and they're playing

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Speaker 1: a y nine technique, there's a lot of opportunities for

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Speaker 1: something bad to happen. I'm at the officeive tackle position. Well,

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Speaker 1: how do you help that? How do you help that? Though?

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Speaker 1: I sorry, heckm, I didn't mean to cut you off here,

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Speaker 1: but I want to know is it a lost cause here?

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Speaker 1: Or is there ways to chip box here? Would tell everybody,

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Speaker 1: Tell a coaching staff if they're listening, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: to Kellen Moore right now, this is how you stop

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Speaker 1: the wide nine, because I want to figure out a

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Speaker 1: way to stop it. Yeah, there's a couple. I mean.

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Speaker 1: One of the best ways to stop at wide nine

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Speaker 1: is run the ball. And on the downside to a

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Speaker 1: wide nine is you can run the ball right up

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Speaker 1: inside the white nine technique. Right, So, if they're playing

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Speaker 1: two to three yards outside of your INMN in your

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, well, guess what, stay out there, right,

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Speaker 1: I'll push you out, and all of a sudden I

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00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: have a big gaping hole right to the inside of you.

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Speaker 1: Um and and in a passing game. I could remember

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Speaker 1: go when I was playing for New England, we played

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Speaker 1: against Indianapolis coach and they they may have had had

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Speaker 1: a couple of good defensive ends back then. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had some dudes that they'd like to spin. They'd

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Speaker 1: like to spend a lot back in the day. And

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Speaker 1: uh and and I had to we needed to help

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: our offensive tackles because of that same thing. They were isolated.

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Speaker 1: So we would bring our receivers down to a short split,

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Speaker 1: almost like a little bit of a bunch set um,

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Speaker 1: and then we would have to use our receivers, I e.

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Speaker 1: Me Um, some of our bigger receivers to get a

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00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: chip on that guy, right, so you have to give

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Speaker 1: him a little shoulder just to bump him over onto

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Speaker 1: your tackle so that your tackle doesn't have to kick

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Speaker 1: out as far and be isolated. So there's a lot

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00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: of different ways in which you can help um. And

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Speaker 1: then obviously try to get your running backs. Your running backs,

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Speaker 1: you know when they when they run run when they

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Speaker 1: want to run flat routes. Now all of a sudden,

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00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: you're flat routes start turning onto an almost swing route.

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Speaker 1: So you have to go up inside those guys and

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00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: it almost turns into a screenplay. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of things that you can do, but you have to

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Speaker 1: be aware where those guys are because they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: wide and they're gonna be in your throwing lanes. For

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Speaker 1: when you're trying to throw hot Well, go back, know

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Speaker 1: what that's man? Let me it's just your crown thing

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Speaker 1: because that why that that's that you know what you're

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Speaker 1: this is a roadmap to how to watch the game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. If you know, if they don't do what

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00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: Isaiah Standback just said, then all of a sudden, you

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00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: should be angry, you should be upset. There you go.

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Speaker 1: That's how you that's how you attack it. But I

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Speaker 1: think for our offensive line, I want to see these

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Speaker 1: guys fight. Yeah, I want to see some fight at

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Speaker 1: some grit upfront, all of them. I'm from seventy eight

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Speaker 1: to Baildozer, he's a part of it as well. Man,

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Speaker 1: I want to fight up front. I mean we've seen

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Speaker 1: those games with you know, the Washington football team where

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Speaker 1: we just they brought it to us. Now finally these

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Speaker 1: last three games, if there's anything to this, you know,

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Speaker 1: momentum going into the off season, we have got to

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Speaker 1: established fight with our guys because if you look at

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Speaker 1: the NFC East New York has won with a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Right the Eagles have won with the rookie quarterback. Offensive

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Speaker 1: line wolls all of that, right that we're running out

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Speaker 1: of excuses at this point. You know what the offense

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Speaker 1: wants to do. Come on, fire off the ball. All

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Speaker 1: of you guys be aggressive and man like my grandmama

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Speaker 1: used to say, boy, one of y'all getting to fight.

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Speaker 1: All y'all gotta fight. So all y'all go fight on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that any an NFCS is playing

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Speaker 1: with the starting quarterbacks. No, no, no, not the ones

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Speaker 1: that they started this season. No, no, that's exactly what's happening. Now.

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Speaker 1: We gotta take our second break. But when we come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll continue looking at this Cowboys offense. Can they run

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Speaker 1: the ball? Can they do what Isaiah said to stop

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Speaker 1: those wide nines against this San Francisco defense, and it

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Speaker 1: might not be with Ezekiel Elliott. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about whenever it comes to this

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Speaker 1: run game. And you can talk about Ezekiel Elliott, you

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Speaker 1: can talk about the growth or the non growth of

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard this season. Either way, it's behind that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: and that offensive line has been just, of course, like

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Speaker 1: having every single different obstacle you can potentially think. But Rob,

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Speaker 1: do you think there's a possibility And we're gonna assume

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Speaker 1: Zeke is not playing at this point, not assume, but

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Speaker 1: this is the scenario. This is the scenario that I

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Speaker 1: if Zeke is unavailable coming up this Sunday, how much

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Speaker 1: success do you think Tony Pollard and maybe even a

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Speaker 1: against this forty nine ers defense. Well, I think you

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Speaker 1: about last segment, there are some gaps you can maybe exploit.

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Speaker 1: I do think having Zeke in this game would definitely

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Speaker 1: of pace thing where Zeke is just a battering ram

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Speaker 1: but they don't have many busts the secondary, and they

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Speaker 1: seems like they play zone with Barrett and with Richard Sherman.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder, you know, are they going to sit

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Speaker 1: H And so, do you really need to run in

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Speaker 1: this game to to open up some potential chunk plays

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Speaker 1: for your offense? Heck yeah. I've always been that person

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Speaker 1: that was supposed to taking the ball out of Zeke's hands,

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Speaker 1: But twenty twenty has shown me that he needs a

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Speaker 1: you said, Rob, it is a change of pace and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be needed in this game for me.

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Speaker 1: I think Zeke his pass protection is what we need

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Speaker 1: more than anything because teams, I've found, they will line

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Speaker 1: bring pressure, and Zeke is better than a lot of

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Speaker 1: and really just not a lot of film out there

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Speaker 1: on Tony Pollard being able to do it. So that

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Speaker 1: would be the worry for me if Zeke didn't play.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, Rob, just having that change of pace

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Speaker 1: is gonna be good for us. And you know, just

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Speaker 1: relating it to the Washington football team and even the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, they were able to have success, uh and

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Speaker 1: ninety six yards worth of success. But even in that

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Speaker 1: that just provides that balance that you'll need to bring

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Speaker 1: them out of that zone and get some chunk plays

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Speaker 1: maybe in the passing game where they're waiting on you

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Speaker 1: in that running game, and sometimes I think teams the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have caught defenses in a different look where they

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Speaker 1: bring in TP and the box isn't as loaded and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a favorable run look, and he's been able

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Speaker 1: to exploit it. So you know, there may be there

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Speaker 1: may be a situation like that sunday Za. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is the perfect defense for for a Tony Pollard. So

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Speaker 1: obviously you want Zeke. To the very point that Heckman

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Speaker 1: brought up, I don't think most people recognize how important

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Speaker 1: Zeke is to this team, even when he's not running

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Speaker 1: as effectively as we would like he is. Probably in

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Speaker 1: the conversation, I would definitely say top three running backs

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Speaker 1: for blocking running backs in this league. He blocks the

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Speaker 1: mess out of linebackers and for the times that we

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Speaker 1: can't rent the ball and we have to pass the ball.

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Speaker 1: Guess who else is playing a big party allowing any

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Speaker 1: daught to sit back there and throw this thing. Zeke

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Speaker 1: is not just the officive line which we always talk about,

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Speaker 1: but Tony Polls he's made perfect for this particular defensive

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Speaker 1: scheme they're gonna be facing, especially with those wide nines,

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Speaker 1: because you do have an opportunity to get up inside

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Speaker 1: those defensive ends and get on the second level quick.

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Speaker 1: And when you get to the second level, you actually

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Speaker 1: have somebody who's helping you because you have these offensive

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Speaker 1: guards now that are gonna be freed up to go

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Speaker 1: up in block linebackers. So big play opportunities are definitely

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Speaker 1: on the horizon. I mean, if Tony Poller is just

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Speaker 1: that guy, then I think he's gonna be just as

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Speaker 1: effective if he was a number two back or as

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Speaker 1: a number one back. I think he's gonna have the

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Speaker 1: same opportunities presented to him. And whenever you go up

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big day for Connor Williams and

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Speaker 1: for Connor mccover and those Connor bros. Those this is

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Speaker 1: a big day for those guys. So trying to get

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Speaker 1: up fields and find a way into the second left

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Speaker 1: to bunch some linebackers, I think that's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big key to the success of running the football coming

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Speaker 1: up on Sunday against San Francisco. I'm gonna push right

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Speaker 1: past this because I didn't hear what Rob said, and

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Speaker 1: I can just hear heck My giggling in the background,

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Speaker 1: and we've got to go because I've got to interview

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Speaker 1: Stephen here in a couple of minutes. So so if

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Speaker 1: you have any questions, man, just by the way. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. For Talking Cowboys, for heck Ma Harrison,

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Speaker 1: for Isaiah's dam back, for Rob Phillips, and for Chris

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Speaker 1: being back in the studio. I'm Kyle you olmen saying

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