Speaker 1: What's that at the bed spooky? Hey Judy, I'm really
Speaker 1: sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I said, nandaz plase, Hey boo, it's me Roz and
Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I
Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the paranormal. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, George's back. Georgia Hartstark, who, of course you
Speaker 1: all know as one of the hosts of My favorite Murder,
Speaker 1: the podcast that is so legendary, so truly iconic, it
Speaker 1: even launched an amazing podcast network exactly right Media. She's
Speaker 1: my boss. She and Karen, they're my bosses, and just
Speaker 1: so good at podcasting, I mean, so easy to talk to,
Speaker 1: so fun, so funny. And we're gonna talk a lot
Speaker 1: today about psychics, so that will be coming at you shortly.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that, let me read you
Speaker 1: a ghost story. This one's from a listener named Nicole
Speaker 1: with a New York City story. Nicole writes, I tried
Speaker 1: getting an EVP and ended up hearing my own voice
Speaker 1: in real life. So this isn't a ghost story, per say,
Speaker 1: but a weird can't explain it story from when I
Speaker 1: lived in Upper Manhattan inwood to be exact, in a
Speaker 1: pre war building. So I am used to a lot
Speaker 1: of noise, voices, music, both outside the apartment and in
Speaker 1: the building. Of the non spooky persuasion. My husband had
Speaker 1: an old book called Speaking to the Dead, a sort
Speaker 1: of manual to try and catch EVPs. He hadn't actually
Speaker 1: read it, but thought it looked interesting. One late afternoon,
Speaker 1: I was home by myself, and I gave it a look.
Speaker 1: Since I didn't have a tape recorder, I used a
Speaker 1: phone recorder. I kept myself open to the possibility of
Speaker 1: the paranormal. I asked a few open ended questions. I
Speaker 1: waited politely for answers, and then listened to the recording.
Speaker 1: Just many minutes of dead air, nothing the experiment again
Speaker 1: and again heard nothing. Disappointed in my nothing but white noise.
Speaker 1: Catch I lay down in our bedroom, and within seconds
Speaker 1: I heard a voice right in my ear say hello,
Speaker 1: But not just any voice, it was my voice. I
Speaker 1: jumped right up, had a mini panic attack, and left
Speaker 1: the apartment. It was a clear as day, not ghostly
Speaker 1: at all sound. Ten years later, I still can recall
Speaker 1: myself asking hello in a way like I was answering
Speaker 1: a phone call and concerned about who was on the
Speaker 1: other line. What does that mean? Is that dead me
Speaker 1: from the future trying to contact old me? A ghost
Speaker 1: mimicking my voice? My current theory is my mind was
Speaker 1: playing tricks on me. After listening to ten minutes of
Speaker 1: white noise. However, I was freaked out enough to never
Speaker 1: try to get an EVP ever again. And I had
Speaker 1: no other spooky incidents in that apartment. I have not
Speaker 1: heard voices either before or since then, a weird one
Speaker 1: off experience. That's freaky. The thought of ghost you from
Speaker 1: the future being like, did you ring? Were you trying
Speaker 1: to call me? I'm so sorry I was not near
Speaker 1: the phone, but now I am or something. I don't
Speaker 1: know what, but very scary and annoying that it happened
Speaker 1: when you weren't recording. God these ghosts. Oh and before
Speaker 1: we get to Georgia Hartstark, I just wanted to tell
Speaker 1: you once again that I am rapidly releasing tour dates
Speaker 1: of me doing stand up comedy. So find those dates
Speaker 1: on my Instagram in my link tree. You'll find it.
Speaker 1: Just go to Instagram, uh and type in at Raz
Speaker 1: Hernandez and somewhere somehow on there you'll find you'll find
Speaker 1: some places. And if you're like, okay, I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: a place that's within like an hour drive of me,
Speaker 1: comment it very nicely, you know, don't go hey, I'll
Speaker 1: come here. Do and just be like, hey, babe, I
Speaker 1: love you and I'd love to see you by any chance?
Speaker 1: Are you considering coming to this place? Just do one
Speaker 1: of those and maybe I will. Okay, let's talk to
Speaker 1: Georgia Hardstark on with the show.
Speaker 2: Georgia by Georgia. Hi, Ros, you're back. I'm back. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much. Thank you for having me. I was
Speaker 2: like so excited to be invited back.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Georgia, not get off.
Speaker 3: I tried really hard to get haunted by a ghost.
Speaker 3: I was open to it this whole time.
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't got nothing.
Speaker 2: They're not interested in me.
Speaker 3: I'm a boring subject, I think because I'm like, let's
Speaker 3: do this, and they're like, why would we bother?
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way.
Speaker 2: You don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think that ghost probably would love you. You just
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you're just not going to places
Speaker 1: that have ghosts.
Speaker 3: I know, Adam, I don't know, like my house should
Speaker 3: be haunted. If it's gonna be if anything's gonna be haunted,
Speaker 3: my house should be haunted. But yeah it's not, which
Speaker 3: is good. I like love my house for.
Speaker 1: That, But I think, see what you want to live
Speaker 1: in a house that's haunted, not actively yet, but to know.
Speaker 3: Like there's a spirit on the other side who's like
Speaker 3: living their own life while I live mine and once
Speaker 3: in a while our wires get pleasantly crossed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't think you can't.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing you can't control. When when is
Speaker 1: that gonna eat? Are we going to be cross of
Speaker 1: wires when I'm taking a shower? Right, because I don't
Speaker 1: want I don't want that.
Speaker 2: Right. It already happened.
Speaker 3: And I think I told about this on the last
Speaker 3: time I was here, about how they just started blasting
Speaker 3: Elton John one night.
Speaker 2: I do remember that, and that was unpleasant. So maybe
Speaker 2: they were like, she doesn't know what she wants.
Speaker 1: And that was in the place you're currently in, right,
Speaker 1: and so that was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, yeah.
Speaker 1: Looking back, how do you feel about that? As more
Speaker 1: time has passed, do you are you still convinced it
Speaker 1: was a ghost?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: And I can like. That's the problem. I think that's
Speaker 3: why they are not interested in me. Is I can
Speaker 3: explain anything away very logically, am I will?
Speaker 1: So they're like, you're no fun.
Speaker 3: I'm not like my young sense of awe and curiosity
Speaker 3: is fucking dead.
Speaker 1: So no Georgia. Yeah, I know. To me, it's like
Speaker 1: it's the same way I feel about like Aliens where
Speaker 1: I go. I already know what this, what's going on here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I think about, oh, there could be another place,
Speaker 1: I'm like such a fairy tale, like I'm so aerial
Speaker 1: and the little mermaids, like, there's this other place. Take
Speaker 1: me there, and I love last Yeah, the other side
Speaker 1: where they have what you McCall it's the polter gay.
Speaker 3: You're like, that's an openness to it that they love good.
Speaker 2: I would assume.
Speaker 1: I don't know. They seem to love it every time
Speaker 1: I don't have cameras rolling right.
Speaker 2: Of course, like they're shy, camera shy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real frustrating about me. So no ghost stories, sense,
Speaker 1: no psychic stories.
Speaker 2: No, like no, it's so it's so bland. It's okay, Bland.
Speaker 1: It's okay because here's the good news. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I consider myself sort of a reporter of sorts, only
Speaker 1: with the most important news.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: These are the news stories that I that they come
Speaker 1: across my desk, and I would like to elevate them
Speaker 1: with my platform because they are pertinent to our topic
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Paranormals type stuff.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: We don't get them enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while one sneaks in, and it's
Speaker 1: usually a pretty trashy news source.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like wondering.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if like, by the end of this, I'll
Speaker 3: be like I believe now.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 1: Have you been to a psychic ever?
Speaker 2: No, I've done Tarot. I've been to Tarot reader. You know.
Speaker 3: One guy stopped me in a parking lot once and
Speaker 3: told me that I was going to be This is
Speaker 3: like twenty years ago. Stopped me in a parking lot
Speaker 3: and was like, can I read your palm or something.
Speaker 3: I'm like sure because I was in my twenties and
Speaker 3: like hopeful. And he said that I was going to
Speaker 3: be in the forefront of the men's makeup industry.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so specific, and I think I had
Speaker 3: been I had just dropped out of beauty school. And
Speaker 3: I had been trying to get into a makeup school
Speaker 3: and he fucking just told me that randomly.
Speaker 1: So was that Did you take it to heart where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh that that means something?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely, I mean it didn't happen, but like
Speaker 3: maybe maybe that was. I don't think you're destined for
Speaker 3: one thing, so maybe in a different some different choices,
Speaker 3: or if I had more money or whatever, it was
Speaker 3: like I would have gone.
Speaker 2: Into that, into men's makeup.
Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, well maybe maybe that's what you need
Speaker 1: to do. That's my Yeah, that's a new venture you
Speaker 1: could get into, is my liner makeup?
Speaker 2: Yeah, guyliner needs like something new.
Speaker 1: There needs to be Guy lipliner. Yes, and that has
Speaker 1: not been seen yet. So maybe psychic was right. He
Speaker 1: just didn't tell you when.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, I got a news story about a psychic. I
Speaker 1: actually have two news stories about a psychic. But well,
Speaker 1: let's just look at one and we'll see how we feel. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this first one, now it was I believe it
Speaker 1: was posted by multiple sources. But here's one from the
Speaker 1: stupid New York Post. Okay, it says a psychic medium
Speaker 1: drew my soulmate. Then I met an exact match. Okay,
Speaker 1: So a woman says she met her fiance after she
Speaker 1: paid a psychic medium on Etsy Wo to draw her soulmate.
Speaker 1: The woman named Nicole. She's thirty one. She realized she
Speaker 1: had been settling for the wrong men. After spending her
Speaker 1: twenties single or in toxic relationships. She went to therapy
Speaker 1: and started manifesting her husband the practice of thinking, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know what manifesting is.
Speaker 3: They're like people that read this right, not no, right.
Speaker 3: They think that that's like two woke for them to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So she paid this woman to do what
Speaker 1: she calls a soulmate drawing, which is a portrait she
Speaker 1: uses her intuition to create that depicted this woman's future husband.
Speaker 2: Which is great.
Speaker 3: I love that on Etsy of all places too, Like
Speaker 3: feels so like pure because it's Etsy.
Speaker 2: It's not like OnlyFans that she got her from.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I know, not that anything wrong with that, but like
Speaker 3: it just feels like a little like crafty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well edsy feels a little bit more mom and
Speaker 1: pop yeah shop kind.
Speaker 3: Of feel I love that. And she met the dude
Speaker 3: that looks like.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see her, it says she predicted that Nicole
Speaker 1: would meet this man between nine and thirteen months from
Speaker 1: the time that she got the reading or the drawing,
Speaker 1: and that it would be a man that was Mediterranean.
Speaker 1: Nine months later, she met a Portuguese native named Vitor
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and the pair saw each other in person
Speaker 1: a month and a half later and hit it off.
Speaker 1: She knew she'd met her husband straight away, and the
Speaker 1: pair have now celebrated two years together and they got
Speaker 1: engaged in May of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this makes me believe in love.
Speaker 1: I know not, but I don't. I'm really mad that
Speaker 1: they don't have this lady's at sea totally or whoever? Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a lady whoever.
Speaker 2: Gets a link like, let's get some links in here.
Speaker 1: I know it talks a whole lot about Nicole. She's
Speaker 1: a social media strategist. Was this part of her strategy
Speaker 1: to get her social media going?
Speaker 2: Good question?
Speaker 1: She's originally from Long Island. She said, he's very kind,
Speaker 1: he has strong features. It says it was ninety percent
Speaker 1: accurate the drawing. Wow.
Speaker 3: See, I believe this because it made her more open
Speaker 3: to something that maybe she wouldn't have been, you know,
Speaker 3: like it made her look and try in a way
Speaker 3: that maybe she wouldn't have been if she had just
Speaker 3: no idea, No, no one told her like parameters.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, I don't know the psychic thing. It's
Speaker 3: just like a tool that I think is awesome.
Speaker 2: But I love that she is.
Speaker 1: That well, it's like manifesting is like kind of like hope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so okay, let me make sure it has never mentioned
Speaker 1: who this psychic is, because I'm not even kidding you
Speaker 1: about how much you cost. I'm about to hop on
Speaker 1: my Etsy page right now.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like a thing that we just
Speaker 2: didn't know about.
Speaker 1: It's a great deal. I mean, this is a great
Speaker 1: what do you call it? Review? Or yeah, something for
Speaker 1: this lady's business.
Speaker 2: It's only they'd put a link.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not seeing the link enough, it says. In
Speaker 1: November twenty twenty one, Nicole saw a TikTok video of
Speaker 1: a psychic medium offering soulmate drawings. So that's where she
Speaker 1: got it. So it was TikTok to Etsy. Nicole then
Speaker 1: got a DM from Vitor, who was launching a coffee
Speaker 1: card business card. What is no, that's what it says,
Speaker 1: coffee card death.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine what that would be cart. Maybe
Speaker 3: they I'm gonna go with cart and it was a
Speaker 3: misspelling or.
Speaker 1: Type get it together, New York Post, can we please?
Speaker 1: She was living in Portugal at the time. She told
Speaker 1: him I had a three weeks sol low trip coming
Speaker 1: up to Greece, so I might come back with a
Speaker 1: Greek boyfriend. Or that's what she told the psychic. Anyway
Speaker 1: she met him that happened. Is it paranormal? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that it meant like it changed something
Speaker 3: in her brain that made her more open or susceptible
Speaker 3: to like something.
Speaker 2: I can see that.
Speaker 1: I can absolutely see that being a thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like like when you said the word tool.
Speaker 1: It made me think of like crystals for example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I'm always like, they don't work, they're just pretty.
Speaker 1: But I do believe, like, Okay, I might, I might
Speaker 1: talk a lot of shit like that, but if I'm
Speaker 1: going to a place where they're like people say, there's
Speaker 1: demons crawling around this abandoned building, you better believe I'm
Speaker 1: grabbing my tourmaline. Sure, yeah, I'm grabbing all of them.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing of like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I believe in ghosts, but I'm not bringing that doll
Speaker 3: that you say is haunted home with me, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I've one hundred percent don't believe that,
Speaker 3: but don't I'm not touching it either.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't want to find out the hard way.
Speaker 1: But so I think that there is there is something
Speaker 1: to kind of planting a seed in your mind that, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to meet this man because this woman said so, Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that did that make her, I don't know, take
Speaker 1: offers more seriously from men because she's like, it's going
Speaker 1: to I don't know.
Speaker 3: Or like also she was saying it's not going to
Speaker 3: happen for at least nine months, and it's like she
Speaker 3: kind of gave this person a window of nine months
Speaker 3: to stop fucking worrying about it and to focus on herself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and so maybe by the time she met
Speaker 3: this guy, who hope is great for her, she was
Speaker 3: like ready and open for an actually healthy relation.
Speaker 1: That's a good way to, yeah, to go about this.
Speaker 1: She said, I actually only saw the drawing around five
Speaker 1: to six months later. We had spoken about it prior,
Speaker 1: but I never saw it until then. But to say
Speaker 1: the drawing looked uncanny, well, I think my first words were, damn,
Speaker 1: that does look like me. Oh sorry, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: This is he didn't see Okay, and he laughed, he says,
Speaker 1: But I think it just reinforced Nicole that I was
Speaker 1: her soulmate and she was mine. Oh I hate them
Speaker 1: because there's no link to this lady at Etsy.
Speaker 2: It's it's problematic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't appreciate that at all.
Speaker 2: Maybe like she went to the site to like thank her,
Speaker 2: and that site never existed. The ets systor never exists
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 1: I'm really going to Etsy right now when I'm typing
Speaker 1: in soul Mate drawing. What is all this shit?
Speaker 2: Is it a lot?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Like all these people are offering.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, it's a whole industry.
Speaker 1: I have no clue soul May drawing, soul May drawing, okay,
Speaker 1: but which one was the lady? Okay? Because I need
Speaker 1: these are cheap too, These are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: some of them are two dollars, six dollars, fourteen dollars
Speaker 1: value your art. I don't want a two dollars. Husband,
Speaker 1: I want to invest.
Speaker 2: I want to feel Yeah.
Speaker 1: I want to feel good about it. Okay, wait, I
Speaker 1: want this lady she's got black lipstick on.
Speaker 2: What is she? Right? Let's hear her description of herself
Speaker 2: or her story? Okay?
Speaker 1: Or is she Ai? Is this a real person?
Speaker 2: Look? Probably Ai? It's a cool goth looking which I like. Actually,
Speaker 2: she kind of looks like you if you were super goth.
Speaker 1: That's why I like. I wonder if you know what,
Speaker 1: there's probably people making Aai soul may Ai drawing.
Speaker 2: I bet it's even more accurate that way.
Speaker 1: Greetings, I am I a y Ai. This person's name
Speaker 1: is I a skilled tarot reader with a deep connection
Speaker 1: to the energies of love and destiny. Using my intuitive abilities,
Speaker 1: I provide detailed insights into your romantic future, including the
Speaker 1: first letters of your soulmates name and surname, their career,
Speaker 1: where they live, and how and where you will meet. Okay,
Speaker 1: at the very least, I want to know, do it
Speaker 1: because you know, here's the thing. If you tell me
Speaker 1: that my husband is going to be I don't know
Speaker 1: what's a job, like an engineer. He's going to be
Speaker 1: an engineer? Well, then I can start posting on my
Speaker 1: social media who's an engineer?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because just so you know, you're supposed to fall in
Speaker 1: love with me.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna here's what's going to happen. I'm going
Speaker 3: to give you are you single?
Speaker 2: Right now? Because I don't want to be like stepping
Speaker 2: on anyone's.
Speaker 1: No no, no one's toast.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go I'm going to do initials, job
Speaker 3: and what else ever else, and you're going to do
Speaker 3: this for you and then next year and if that happens,
Speaker 3: then I'm going to come back here and feel like
Speaker 3: I'm fucking psychic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you better charge more than two dollars.
Speaker 3: I would, And I think you should also do this
Speaker 3: on exactly. Wright Stein Is get the sketch. We'll see
Speaker 3: who's more correct.
Speaker 1: How about that I should get like fifteen of these
Speaker 1: because they're all like two dollars.
Speaker 2: If they're all the same, that.
Speaker 1: Would be good. Okay, Okay, who are you thinking really,
Speaker 1: channel now? Don't just pull it out?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, job.
Speaker 3: I wanted to say engineer, but it's too boring for you,
Speaker 3: like you need someone necessarily. But there's a lot of
Speaker 3: different kinds of engineers. And they're very smart, very smart.
Speaker 1: I keep feeling like I want to be with a creative.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, but sometimes it's like the creative needs this,
Speaker 3: the like not boring but like straight laced person.
Speaker 1: No I know, well I am a miss piggy seeking
Speaker 1: a Kermit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, not exactly. Yes, all right, so
Speaker 3: what about a restaurant tour?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, because miss Smith.
Speaker 3: Because Kermit worked at uh the sig Na Nainen at
Speaker 3: the restaurant.
Speaker 2: Oh so let's do a restaurant tour.
Speaker 3: So that's fun, right, And you've got to take you
Speaker 3: out all beautiful clubs and restaurants in all these places.
Speaker 1: And you can always give me free food.
Speaker 3: Free food leftover, or a chef. What do you think
Speaker 3: of chef? I wouldn't want day a chef. The hours
Speaker 3: are fucking.
Speaker 1: Care I never have, okay, but I love the idea.
Speaker 3: Okay, So restaurants initials are see.
Speaker 1: L, see L okay. You know it's so crazy. I
Speaker 1: look down and it's you got a tax stress career.
Speaker 2: Life, see L. I'm channeling something not the.
Speaker 1: Right thing career life, which is this This psychic can
Speaker 1: tell your psychics. Career life is what your partners, are
Speaker 1: your your soulmates, career lives.
Speaker 2: Let's just do it. Let's just do in the restaurant industry.
Speaker 1: And restaurant industry. See l and this person can tell
Speaker 1: me where and how we're going to meet.
Speaker 3: I think that's bullshit. That's one step beyond for me.
Speaker 3: Like somehow that that's too much.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's too much.
Speaker 2: Well, do not want to meet some of the restaurant industry.
Speaker 2: I'm probably wrong, you know that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm very open.
Speaker 2: I'm who the fuck.
Speaker 1: Knows well either one if either of those is true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and my brand new husband are going to get officiate.
Speaker 1: Get you a nice gift, thank you for our wedding. Okay,
Speaker 1: now here's another story. So in Romania a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, the witches started getting text for the first
Speaker 1: time and they got mad about that. And you don't
Speaker 1: want to make witches mad.
Speaker 2: Especially in Romania. That seems like hardcore witches.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, people take that stuff pretty seriously there. So
Speaker 1: they put a hex on on some politicians.
Speaker 2: They did they think's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I will say, though, like my immediate thought is like
Speaker 3: that is showing respect for their livelihood. To be like,
Speaker 3: we take this serious enough and we think this is
Speaker 3: so legitimate.
Speaker 1: Yes, And that was some of the controversy because some
Speaker 1: of the witches were like, they felt that way. Oh,
Speaker 1: we finally made it. You know, we're viewed as like
Speaker 1: a real job. But a lot of them did not
Speaker 1: feel that way. That's fair, and they it says this
Speaker 1: is from CBS News.
Speaker 3: This was back.
Speaker 2: Oh it was a long time, twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wonder, yeah, but see if all they're all dead,
Speaker 3: all the people who got curses on them.
Speaker 1: I know. I tried looking up a follow up on this.
Speaker 1: But the angry witches they dumped poison poisonous man Drake
Speaker 1: into the Danube River, okay, which was their way of
Speaker 1: putting some kind of hecks.
Speaker 2: All right. At least it was a and their coffee.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, They weren't forcing them to drink it.
Speaker 2: That would be murder held poisoning.
Speaker 1: That's called murder. So this one witch that they talked
Speaker 1: to said, I will fight into my last breath for
Speaker 1: this bill to not be passed. Why this is so
Speaker 1: interesting is because they were starting to say, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get fined if you give someone a bad reading.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, how do they what's a bad reading means.
Speaker 1: Well, and so this one witch that they interviewed, she says,
Speaker 1: people don't always provide their real identities, their birth dates,
Speaker 1: their any of their personal details. Sometimes they're lying. So
Speaker 1: she's like, what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And like who's who deems it bad? Is it? Like?
Speaker 2: After a year? Like nothing happened that you said was
Speaker 2: gonna happen?
Speaker 1: I think pretty much now. Listen, the government was just trying.
Speaker 1: They were they had some bills to pay, so they
Speaker 1: were they decided to go to the witches it's and
Speaker 1: hoping that maybe they'll because it's.
Speaker 2: A big industry death and taxes and curses those are.
Speaker 1: It's a very big industry there.
Speaker 3: So when I was little, my mom went to a
Speaker 3: psychic and came home and was like, this was amazing.
Speaker 3: She knew everything, She knew this and that she gave
Speaker 3: me this reading and she told me what was going
Speaker 3: to happen. She was so amazed by it that she
Speaker 3: told all her friends to go, and one of her
Speaker 3: friends went and the psychic told her literally the exact
Speaker 3: same thing, and my mom was so upset.
Speaker 2: She was crying. Oh they you know she had the
Speaker 2: psychic had taped. But what if they had like the same.
Speaker 3: I mean they're both like, yeah, middle aged ladies from Irvine.
Speaker 3: Like maybe that's the thing.
Speaker 1: So just like a little blurb to sum up what
Speaker 1: happened here. This is from a website taxfitness dot com.
Speaker 1: In twenty eleven, Romania started taxing witches, astrologers, and fortune tellers.
Speaker 1: So the whole party, everybody, everybody's paying their taxes. Now,
Speaker 1: these pre obviously obscure professions were not listed in the
Speaker 1: Romanian labor code, so people working these jobs paid zero tax.
Speaker 1: This was known as the witch's tax. Under the new law,
Speaker 1: these three professionals now had to pay sixteen percent income tax,
Speaker 1: oh and make contributions to health and pension programs.
Speaker 2: I can see being pissed off about that.
Speaker 1: Like other self employed people. Honestly, I know, listen and
Speaker 1: I don't want to make any witches mad, but never
Speaker 1: as somebody that wears razzle, dazzle and ex silly for
Speaker 1: a living. I have to pay tax.
Speaker 3: You have to pay taxes coming up on stage and
Speaker 3: to ten. So I mean I do think I know
Speaker 3: what you mean. It sounds a little medieval almost, but
Speaker 3: it's like, it doesn't sound like a current day problem
Speaker 3: because you think it would just be like, yeah, fucking
Speaker 3: everyone gets taxed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well up until twenty eleven. Crazy time twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: Take me back, though, say, let's bump the kasha and
Speaker 1: let's party.
Speaker 2: It was so cute.
Speaker 1: It says, it wasn't a significant revenue raiser for the
Speaker 1: Romanian government. Witches, astrologers, and fortune tellers typically only received
Speaker 1: seven to ten dollars per consultation.
Speaker 2: Sixteen percent of that. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is pretty high. Sucks man. Well, it says
Speaker 1: the introduction at the witch's tax divided the witch's community
Speaker 1: because some of them sawid as positive, some of it
Speaker 1: not so much. And the angry, which I just love
Speaker 1: the thought of, Like the angry witches. But if you
Speaker 1: are a witch, don't be angry at me, please. Other
Speaker 1: witches are angry about the charges and the government red tape.
Speaker 1: I read some other one that was like talking about
Speaker 1: some like dog poop spell. These these ladies or whoever
Speaker 1: got crazy with it. Now it doesn't seem like it worked,
Speaker 1: but you know what they are now legit respectfully.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're on board with that, all right.
Speaker 1: I got one more for you. These are all psychic things, Okay.
Speaker 1: Today's theme is definitely psychics if you haven't been able.
Speaker 2: To figure that out.
Speaker 1: This one is from a Canadian news source. It's from
Speaker 1: CTV News's c A Sure, and it says Whitby woman
Speaker 1: wants refund after giving Psychic over fifty thousand dollars to
Speaker 1: help her fall in love.
Speaker 2: No, see, this is why you have to post that
Speaker 2: Etsy lady. Two bucks. That's all it fucking takes.
Speaker 1: If they would have told this woman that, do you
Speaker 1: know how much money she would have saved?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: At what point was she like, okay, like this is enough,
Speaker 3: or was she just like I'm already in for twenty
Speaker 3: kept going?
Speaker 2: She kept going.
Speaker 1: She says Psychic promised her that she could help her
Speaker 1: start a romantic relationship with a man from her gym.
Speaker 3: I mean a therapist would cost way less than that
Speaker 3: ANAGIN membership.
Speaker 2: Loves two things, that's all you really need.
Speaker 1: Joanne Wallin. She tells c TV News to Ronto that
Speaker 1: she began visiting the Psychic in the fall of twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen after separating from her husband. She says that she
Speaker 1: made a habit of visiting psychics over the years, and
Speaker 1: she found it to be fun and entertaining. This time,
Speaker 1: she said that she told the psychic she was interested
Speaker 1: in starting a new romance with a man she had
Speaker 1: noticed at her fitness club. She said, Oh, that fellow
Speaker 1: over there doing the zoomba, he looks exactly like my type. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she says, yes, there is a man, I like
Speaker 1: it my gym when the psychic aster if there is anyone,
Speaker 1: and she said, I can bring this man closer to
Speaker 1: you for five hundred and fifty dollars. No, even that
Speaker 1: is way too much.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like light a candle for fifty bucks and move on.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly which I have done.
Speaker 3: I'm saying it's totally fine. What's the most you think
Speaker 3: you should spend for like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing I will say about this. I believe,
Speaker 1: as a single person that if you really do want
Speaker 1: to be dating and looking for people, you should invest
Speaker 1: like you shouldn't be You shouldn't feel like a loser
Speaker 1: to invest by like paying for premium apps.
Speaker 2: Oh like dating apps?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think like absolutely because you'll waste
Speaker 1: so much time and it shows you more options depending
Speaker 1: on what the rhythms.
Speaker 2: All fucking weird, right, and it offers you like.
Speaker 1: Well, see, I pay for I've paid for all of
Speaker 1: the apps smart now have I found me one to know?
Speaker 1: But that just might be my personality. But I am
Speaker 1: able to with the premium apps set my matches to
Speaker 1: other countries now in case I might want an exit strategy.
Speaker 3: You want a long distance relationship though, absolutely you're into that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: I'm so needy and so like codependent that I need
Speaker 3: someone within poking distance at all times.
Speaker 1: And I'm a phone caller, so I'm like, I'm completely
Speaker 1: fine with if we can talk. I mean, I currently
Speaker 1: have one gentleman that I've been speaking to for a
Speaker 1: while out who lives in another country. Oh and we
Speaker 1: speak on like an app on the phone version of it.
Speaker 3: I must be so nice to like have that to
Speaker 3: look forward to at the end of the day, like
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to like it very much.
Speaker 2: But move here or you move there?
Speaker 1: Well, I literally told him last night, can you please
Speaker 1: just ask me to marry?
Speaker 2: Yeah, get that green card.
Speaker 1: I'm staying here and I'm fighting anyway. So first it
Speaker 1: started with the five hundred and fifty dollars. Okay, So
Speaker 1: then she paid the money. But then after over, you know,
Speaker 1: the next few months, the psychic wanted more. She's like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: the five hundred and fifty listen. It brought him closer
Speaker 1: to you. I promised you. He wants a certain point.
Speaker 1: You have to take responsibility for this. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: she transferred twelve thousand to fifteen thousand dollars to this woman.
Speaker 1: But the woman said, the psychic said, no, I.
Speaker 2: Want cash, What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So she started dropping off loads and loads of cash
Speaker 1: at this woman's house. She said that she also was
Speaker 1: asked to buy old bars at Costco.
Speaker 2: When does it end.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they sold gold bars at Costco which
Speaker 1: were to be used in the in ceremonies with candles
Speaker 1: that they were ceremonies by the way, shopping ceremonies. This
Speaker 1: isn't like a psychic, like this is a wit yeah,
Speaker 1: which I would say witchcraft for sure.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: She ended up giving her fifty thousand, two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty two dollars over the course of about a year,
Speaker 1: and the romance never happened. She says, I said to her,
Speaker 1: if everything is going so great. Why isn't anything happening.
Speaker 1: I'm paying you thousands and thousands of dollars and I'm
Speaker 1: getting nothing. And she says she now believes she was misled,
Speaker 1: you think, and she wants her money back.
Speaker 2: I think she should have it back.
Speaker 1: This happened in twenty thirteen, though, She says, I was
Speaker 1: so trapped in it mentally because I was so scared.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like, so praying off of Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times this kind of thing
Speaker 1: happens with people that like lost a loved one and
Speaker 1: they give all this money to a psychic to connect
Speaker 1: the two totally.
Speaker 2: So it's like, you're not thinking with your rational brain
Speaker 2: and you're thinking with your emotions.
Speaker 1: And are you kidding me? The amount of money I'm
Speaker 1: throwing at all these different apps, I ain't being rational.
Speaker 1: So CTV showed up at the psychics.
Speaker 2: Did they put a link on her to her?
Speaker 1: Etsyvace says the door was locked, but the psychic, who
Speaker 1: identified herself as Julia, answered the phone. Says, we told her,
Speaker 1: the psychic that this woman felt misled into paying fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and she watched the money back. Julia told
Speaker 1: CTV News that she had provided the woman with services
Speaker 1: that she was willing to pay for, and the romance
Speaker 1: didn't happen because she didn't follow her instructions.
Speaker 2: Right, That is so gas lady. I know, but I
Speaker 2: could see. I see arguments on both sides.
Speaker 1: She's like, she didn't complete the work, right, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: What have worked?
Speaker 1: Everything she wanted? I gave her. She wanted different services,
Speaker 1: and that's what I gave her.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean, oh my god. That's sad.
Speaker 3: Though, well maybe now this will make the guy notice
Speaker 3: her says.
Speaker 1: However, when contacted by CTV News, Julia said she was
Speaker 1: willing to give the woman her money back. Oh that's nice,
Speaker 1: she said. She is not happy, she is not satisfied,
Speaker 1: so I'm giving her money back. The woman said she
Speaker 1: met with the psychic and a payment plan was arranged,
Speaker 1: but so far she's only received two thousand back and
Speaker 1: she's very concerned about getting the rest.
Speaker 2: Shit might a candle.
Speaker 1: That's sad, but it's just very interesting that this is
Speaker 1: coming out now and this story happened in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, now all right, that's sad. So there's
Speaker 1: a story and now here's something that is a great
Speaker 1: investment in your money.
Speaker 2: A psychic doll.
Speaker 1: Psychic doll, well, a haunted doll.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe it's psych it's yeah, if you can only talk,
Speaker 3: it's time for the.
Speaker 1: Dolls are living. Okay, So we've got a haunted eBay
Speaker 1: doll here. This one I don't believe has a name,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it's a demon. It's going for
Speaker 1: thirty dollars currently, jeeha. Can you please show us the
Speaker 1: haunted doll?
Speaker 2: You got it?
Speaker 1: Ros, here's the thirty dollars demon doll bargain price.
Speaker 2: Luscio's beautiful hair.
Speaker 1: She's got incredible hair curls. Can we see full body
Speaker 1: the second picture? She definitely has like a big iron
Speaker 1: drag queen wig with bangs, which I.
Speaker 2: It's a Miss piggywig if we could go back.
Speaker 3: Is Miss Piggy pretty lure? Like I totally sell my
Speaker 3: soul for that hair. Yeah, I'd be possessed by a
Speaker 3: demon for that hair.
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, she's got she went real heavy on
Speaker 1: the blush. She's missing a shoe, totally missing a shoe,
Speaker 1: but that just shows that she does stuff.
Speaker 2: She moves around nice eyebrowns, she has a couple of
Speaker 2: little flowers in her hair.
Speaker 1: What is going on?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 1: She has so her forehead is cracked and there's dried.
Speaker 3: Glue all over it. Not glamorous, but that is part
Speaker 3: of this bio. What do you think of the orange lipstick?
Speaker 3: Are you like bright orange lipstick? Never a big fan
Speaker 3: of bright orange lipstick to me? That ends up looking like, Oh,
Speaker 3: I got some cheesy puffs that I couldn't stop snack.
Speaker 2: And I licked my fingers. Yeah, h look at me now.
Speaker 1: So for thirty dollars, it says this doll once belonged
Speaker 1: to my friend who was a beginner's spellcaster and accidentally
Speaker 1: summoned a demon stearing one of his rituals. He cut
Speaker 1: his hand and a few drops of blood spilled on
Speaker 1: the floor. The doll was nearby on the shelf, and
Speaker 1: at that moment she suddenly fell and cracked her porcelain head.
Speaker 1: He tried to fix her with eposy glue, but the
Speaker 1: cracks remain. From that day, strange things began to happen.
Speaker 1: My friend said he felt like something was attacking him.
Speaker 1: He was constantly terrified, had terrifying nightmares, and found deep
Speaker 1: scratches on his body. He was seeing shadows moving around
Speaker 1: his home and feeling a heavy energy in the air.
Speaker 1: The doll didn't just sit still. It moved on its
Speaker 1: own now oft in changing positions or hearing in different places.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The more frightened he became, the more active the dolls
Speaker 1: seemed to get.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: When I got the doll, I investigated it using a
Speaker 1: ghost box. The spirit inside is a very aggressive During sessions,
Speaker 1: I heard guttural sounds and the word damned spoken clearly.
Speaker 1: If the spirit feels threatened, the doll gives off a
Speaker 1: strong chemical like smell, similar to blach, similar to epoxy glue. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this doll is not just haunted.
Speaker 2: Why would anyone ross?
Speaker 3: Why would anyone buy this? Why would anyone think that
Speaker 3: someone would want to buy people buy this?
Speaker 1: Well, it says this doll is not just haunted, it's
Speaker 1: a vessel or something demonic. Selling it at a low
Speaker 1: price is due to the crack and the forehead.
Speaker 3: That's nice of them, but that's part of the lore.
Speaker 3: Up charge for a fucking I self made crack in
Speaker 3: the forehead. Come on, I mean, it does look terrible.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's a demon doll. Why would somebody
Speaker 1: want this? People like loneliness, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You think with all the vintage stuff I buy and
Speaker 2: antiqun a demon somewhere have it?
Speaker 3: Like crystal dishes do they have demons? And then I
Speaker 3: have a lot of like why not little like you know,
Speaker 3: trashy crystal dishes?
Speaker 2: Do those get haunted?
Speaker 1: I have seen everything on eBay haunted. I've seen multiple
Speaker 1: different food sources, Like I've seen like a kN of
Speaker 1: root beer that's haunted.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, it's an up charge.
Speaker 3: It would be kind of cool to have like a
Speaker 3: shelf of like all your haunted things that you collected that,
Speaker 3: like someone else said, was haunted. I walked into someone's
Speaker 3: house and they had that, I'd be like, that's pretty
Speaker 3: fucking cool.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's maybe cool at someone else. If I'm just visiting,
Speaker 1: I might be into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then my cat would knock them all off
Speaker 3: the fucking shelf and I'd be like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and then you're screwed, and you've got to
Speaker 1: get out the epopsy and don't you dare bleed because
Speaker 1: it'll Because that's what happened with this one.
Speaker 2: It like fell threw itself from the shelf and like
Speaker 2: wiggled over. Can I play some ghost of voices? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev plicse. Okay, Georgia, you've
Speaker 1: done this before. So I go to YouTube. I find
Speaker 1: electronic voice phenomenal. Okay, aka when a ghost to speaking
Speaker 1: captured on a recording?
Speaker 2: Okay, got two of them for you.
Speaker 1: Play it for you, give you an ABC option, and
Speaker 1: I want to know what you think the ghosts decay?
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh my god, I love this so much. All right.
Speaker 1: This one was posted by doctor Carol Polio.
Speaker 2: A doctor, a real doc, doctor Polio.
Speaker 1: Doctor Carol Polio.
Speaker 2: I had an allergy doctor named doctor it Chiese. That's
Speaker 2: that is that true?
Speaker 3: It was it cheese, but it was itchies I swear
Speaker 3: to God he's itches better.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me hear for this doctor Carol Polio. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's a doctor's doctor that also spends her time capturing
Speaker 1: ghosts speaking and posting them on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It makes me think she's legit. She has the doctor
Speaker 2: and from her name, but.
Speaker 1: She has a lot of these online. Some of them
Speaker 1: are pretty good. Okay, not go live this is that
Speaker 1: a place called the Burton Ingram House, which is in Delaware.
Speaker 1: What's this ghost saying? Georgia hard start?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, when we're time, Okay, so what are the options?
Speaker 2: Because I have no fucking clue. Oh oh, I know
Speaker 2: what it is. What I don't want to say it?
Speaker 2: Say it? It might be right? Kill her?
Speaker 1: They want to kill doctor Polio.
Speaker 2: Does that sound? Is that right? Kill her?
Speaker 1: That is not what they thought?
Speaker 2: Okay, what she doctor Polio thought? Ok what do they
Speaker 2: think she think?
Speaker 1: Did she think it was a Kevin Hart B it'll
Speaker 1: hurt C get her?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think get her?
Speaker 1: Or or d you little flirt play order?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I don't kill her? Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: I kind of do hear it. But doctor Carol Polio
Speaker 1: believes it was B it'll hurt Yeah, I can now
Speaker 1: let me know that. Here we go, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I also hear Kevin Hart or whatever. Okay, here's one more.
Speaker 2: I see Kevin Hart people.
Speaker 1: This one was posted by the Paranormal Investigation Society of Tennessee.
Speaker 2: I've got Tennessee's so fucking hanted, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But they're also known as pissed ghost p I s T.
Speaker 1: Paranormal Investigation Society of Tennessee.
Speaker 2: That's fun.
Speaker 1: The channels seriously, And this is at a place called
Speaker 1: Mount Olivet Cemetery in Nashville.
Speaker 2: Yea haunted.
Speaker 1: What's this one saying? Yeah, child whisper. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: a child whispering.
Speaker 2: Is so scary and unacceptable.
Speaker 1: No, but even a living child whispering, like beak up.
Speaker 1: If I was taking a nap and my friend's child
Speaker 1: was like, wake.
Speaker 2: Up that child.
Speaker 1: I hate to say I might hit the child by accident. No,
Speaker 1: it's such a reflat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not responsible for what happens when a child whispers.
Speaker 2: A you go something. I mean, honestly, I want to
Speaker 2: say macaroni, but that's not right.
Speaker 1: I'm children love macaroni conrone.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are the options?
Speaker 1: Is it a call reddit?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 2: Call Reddit?
Speaker 1: Call Reddit?
Speaker 3: We got some juicy Oh she's from the past when
Speaker 3: you couldn't go online back.
Speaker 1: In those days? Was it b call Wendy, Call Wendy,
Speaker 1: see come right in? Or d kombucha? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: Come yeah, come something something in is come right in.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they thought. See come right in, Come
Speaker 2: right I don't think that's right, but I can't figure
Speaker 2: out what it is expecting, like come ready, yeah, ready,
Speaker 2: come and get it.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna come here, you better.
Speaker 3: Come ready, come on, like I was told to show
Speaker 3: up here, come video camera ready.
Speaker 1: Listen. You showed up here at your studio and you
Speaker 1: did everything that has earned you the title of a legend,
Speaker 1: very icon of the podcasting genre.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you. Same to you, Razer Nanda.
Speaker 2: I'm aspiring, but you're the no, You're the real deal.
Speaker 3: You and thank you. I'm sorry, thank you, I got
Speaker 3: us go well. Thank you so much for being a guest.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me again.
Speaker 1: Always you want to tell the people.
Speaker 3: I will try to meet a ghost, and when I do,
Speaker 3: I'll call you and I'll be right here and I'll
Speaker 3: tell you all about it. Yay, thank you, come right.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Georgia Heart's Dark And that
Speaker 1: was the Ghosted News Desk. I love you all, both
Speaker 1: living and dead. But if I didn't ask you to
Speaker 1: haunt me, don't haunt me, gay back. This has been
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Speaker 1: Startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Christina Chamberlain.
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the Eerie
Speaker 1: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
Speaker 1: Additional production support from the hair Raising Hannah Kyle Crichton.
Speaker 1: My theme music is by the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
Speaker 1: Artwork by the s Booky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the
Speaker 1: Terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the Chilling Karen Kilgareth
Speaker 1: the Spookky Georgia Hard Start, and the Frightening Danielle Kramer.