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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do lots going on here and abroad.

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Speaker 4: So some big political news.

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Speaker 1: President Biden actually hitting the campaign trail, unusual for him,

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Speaker 1: speaking to a labor audience and claiming once again with

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Speaker 4: We'll get into all of that. We also have some

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Speaker 1: Clouds how people feel about all of these men who

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Speaker 2: premium member there if you are so inclined. But why

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Speaker 2: don't we start with the most pro union president in

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Speaker 1: Oh you know this one really or it takes me Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Joe Biden has not done much of anything since

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Speaker 1: officially launching his re election campaign, but he decided to

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Speaker 4: There, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: And I'm more excuse me being a little emotion, I'm

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Speaker 5: more honored by your endorsement than than you can imagine

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Speaker 5: coming this earlier. It's going to make a gigantic difference

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Speaker 5: in this campaign. You know a lot of politicians in

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Speaker 5: this country you can't say the word union because you

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Speaker 5: know I'm not one of them. I'm proud to say

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Speaker 3: I promised to you I would be.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm really proud about, what I'm really proud

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Speaker 5: about is I mean re elected the most pro union

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Speaker 1: Obviously, this makes me want a puke for a whole

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Speaker 1: credit for. His NLRB has been genuinely useful in terms

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Speaker 1: factual inaccuracy, et cetera. What he's referring to there in

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Speaker 1: terms of the endorsement. Put this next piece up on

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Speaker 1: the screen is the afl CIO did officially vote to

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Speaker 4: The endorsement vote marks.

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Speaker 1: The earliest the AFLCIO has ever voted to endorsement presidential election,

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Speaker 1: triggering an unprecedented mobilization that will engage millions of working people,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Let me give you a little

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Speaker 1: She says, there's absolutely no question that Joe Biden's the

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Speaker 1: most pro union president in our lifetimes, from bringing manufacturing

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Speaker 1: jobs home to protecting our pensions, making historic investments in infrastructure,

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Speaker 4: We've never seen a president.

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Speaker 1: Work so tirelessly to rebuild our economy from the bottom

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Speaker 1: forcefully advocate for workers' fundamental right to join a union.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time to finish the job. The largest labor

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Speaker 1: it is probably correct that Biden is the most pro

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Speaker 1: But given the fact that Democrats and republic have joined

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Speaker 2: Right, So we're comparing Biden to the neoliberal era, but

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Speaker 2: you know, comparing him to previous presidents like FDR One

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Speaker 2: Harry Truman. Well, Truman, I guess is more complicated in

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Speaker 3: Really, when union.

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Speaker 2: Membership combined with the nineteen fifties kind of middle class dream,

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Speaker 2: President Biden does not in any way to that. And actually,

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Speaker 2: I think the decline in overall union membership with the

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Speaker 2: we've talked about here now Since the very inception of

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Speaker 2: even our past show Rising, we were constantly looking at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, And let's talk about the most blatant

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Speaker 1: betrayal here in terms of Joe Biden and the labor movement.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: He had rail workers who really weren't asking for a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this had to do with their own health

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Speaker 4: And what did Joe Biden do.

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Speaker 1: He sided with capital, He sided with the rail bosses.

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Speaker 1: He made it, he imposed a deal through Fiat, through

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Speaker 1: He said, Joe Biden blew it. He had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of a national strike on terms more favorable to workers. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: far from the only failure or broken promise from Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to unions, he famously, you know, he

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard anything about the pro Act in months

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Speaker 1: These unions used to pretend like this was really important

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Speaker 1: But now they're, you know, they're just pretending like none

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Speaker 1: when Biden was running for President Sager, he pledged that

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Speaker 4: Well, it seems to me.

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Speaker 1: Like the federal government is still doing billions and billions

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Speaker 1: another failure there. So it's really sad on a lot

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Speaker 1: It just shows you that, you know, it's not enough

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Speaker 2: In terms of union leadership and the lack of representation,

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Speaker 3: It wasn't because of anything that they delivered.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a negative orientation of politics rather than

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's get to how the American people are

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Speaker 4: I mean, neither one.

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Speaker 4: Has just been robbed from people.

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Speaker 1: Here's what they say in this piece say the two

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Speaker 4: Do I hate the least, basically is what people are

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Speaker 4: looking at.

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Speaker 1: And we've seen the same dynamic play out in multiple

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Speaker 1: focus groups all over the country, where people have all

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Speaker 1: kinds of concerns about Biden, but then when it comes

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Speaker 1: down to it, they're like, well, on go, see's better

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Speaker 1: than Trump.

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Speaker 4: So I guess I'll suck it up here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really pathetic, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean, you found this phenomenal graphic of

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Speaker 2: word clouds showing how voters feel about the focus groups

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Speaker 2: and voters and how they feel about our various candidates.

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Speaker 2: Put the first one up there on the screen about

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Speaker 2: how people view Biden. What's that word cloud of when

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Speaker 2: they're asked to describe him in a single word?

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Speaker 3: Oh, old number two, incompetent. I also love all of

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Speaker 3: the other ones surrounding it.

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Speaker 2: Corrupt, bad, failure, idiot, puppet, smaller type, trustworthy, helpful, adequate,

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Speaker 2: but also I mean effective kind of small pedophile I

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Speaker 2: guess is on there.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting? What else do we have that I could see? Weak? Useless.

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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly people are not that happy. Now, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just cherry pick. There are some honest,

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Speaker 2: some competence, some leaders, some presidentials that do make it.

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Speaker 2: But overwhelmingly, what's the word that comes through old and

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Speaker 2: then second incompetent. That's why I think the word cloud

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Speaker 2: and the averages of how these people responded in this

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Speaker 2: poll are so important.

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Speaker 1: You know, what was funny with Biden and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to they did ones with DeSantis and Trump as well,

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Speaker 1: and they broke it out by So the word cloud

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Speaker 1: you're looking at here was among all voters, and the

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Speaker 1: number one word is old.

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Speaker 4: Even if you.

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Speaker 1: Break it out by just Democratic voters, that's still the

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Speaker 1: number one word. Whereas yeah, whereas actually guys put the

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Speaker 1: Trump one up on the screen, that's the third one

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Speaker 1: in the list. So with Trump, amongst all voters, the

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Speaker 1: number one word is criminal. I can certainly, I certainly

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Speaker 1: sympathize with that take. You also have liar, evil, dangerous, crazy, asshole,

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Speaker 1: and then the smaller type.

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Speaker 4: The positive words you have here.

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Speaker 1: Are leader, patriot, strong, awesome, businessman. And so what's different

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Speaker 1: here is actually if you look at independent voters with Trump.

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Speaker 1: It's a very similar word cloud cloud, You've got criminal, liar, evil,

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Speaker 1: et cetera.

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Speaker 4: If you look at Republican voters, though, they.

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Speaker 1: Have very positive associations with him still so they I

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Speaker 1: think some of the top for them were like patriot leader, businessman,

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Speaker 1: awesome were some of the strong the strongest ones for

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Speaker 1: Republican voters of Donald Trump, whereas again with Biden, even

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Speaker 1: with Democrats, the number one word was old. And what

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Speaker 1: that shows me is not that, oh, that means Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's in stronger position than Joe Biden. It just is

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Speaker 1: again reflective of the fact that Trump has much more

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm among his base and his core group of supporters

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Speaker 1: than Joe Biden does. If Biden wins this general election

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Speaker 1: coming up, which I think there's a good chance that

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Speaker 1: he will, I still think that he is likely the favorite,

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Speaker 1: just because of incumbency and because people are so done

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump and he's under multiple indictments and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But it won't be because people are super

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Speaker 1: psyched about.

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Speaker 4: Another term with Biden.

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Speaker 1: It will be basically a vote against Trump.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 1: And that's what is so obnoxious about our politics is

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Speaker 1: everything is just about how do you feel about the

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Speaker 1: human being named Donald Trump. It really is not much

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Speaker 1: about the issues, not about what anybody's going to.

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Speaker 4: Deliver for your lives.

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Speaker 1: As we discussed earlier with the union messaging and all

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Speaker 1: of that, it's just literally a referendum.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, and that's the Trump effect really on our politics.

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Speaker 3: But it's also the most likely speaking of the.

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Speaker 2: Trump effect and how it is all manifesting in our polling, well, guys,

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Speaker 2: let's gohe and put this up there on screen, almost

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a counter what you were just

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 3: Crystal from Newsweek.

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Speaker 2: A new poll showing that former President Trump holds a

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Speaker 2: sizable lead over Democratic President Joe Biden actually in a

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Speaker 2: hypothetical twenty twenty four election mashup, so that actually was

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Speaker 2: carried out after Trump wasn't dieted specifically. That's part of

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Speaker 2: why the poll is so important. This is a Harvard

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Speaker 2: Harris Pole, pretty reputable pollster. From June fourteenth to June fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: of the forty five percent said that they would vote

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Speaker 2: for Trump, only thirty nine percent that they would vote

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Speaker 2: for Biden in the race if it were held right

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Speaker 2: now now. Importantly, of course, fifteen percent of the people

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Speaker 2: in the poll said that they were not sure which

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Speaker 2: candidate that they would vote for. Currently, the voter support

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Speaker 2: for Biden and Trump actually decreased from the overall poll

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Speaker 2: in May.

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Speaker 3: I found that pretty interesting that people.

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Speaker 2: Who had supported Trump before in May had gone down

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Speaker 2: slightly that.

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Speaker 3: That last poll.

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Speaker 2: It was forty percent of responding saying they would back

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Speaker 2: Biden forty seven Trump. So you can say that this

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Speaker 2: pop pole may have a bias towards Trump.

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Speaker 3: It's certainly possible. Not going to say that it is representative.

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Speaker 2: But as you look at it, it does show the

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Speaker 2: tremendous weakness where yes, the country may be sick of Biden,

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Speaker 2: but also everybody is not sick of sorry, sick of Trump.

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Speaker 2: The country may be like fed up with Biden. I

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Speaker 2: think he's old. They are willing to vote for him

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Speaker 2: because they are annoyed so much by Trump and the chaos.

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Speaker 2: But you're only one event away from people also holding

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Speaker 2: their nose and voting for Trump as well, or the

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen effects.

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Speaker 4: We're staying home or staying home voting third party exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of options when you get

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Speaker 1: to that ballot box, you know, if you even decide

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Speaker 1: that it's worth you showing up. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: always important to remember yes. In these focus groups, over

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Speaker 1: and over again, you have voters, the majority of the

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Speaker 1: ones that voted for Biden last time saying I probably

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Speaker 1: as that could up and vote for him again.

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Speaker 4: This was a really narrow election.

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Speaker 1: He really can't afford to lose anybody from those focus groups.

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Speaker 1: So this poll, you know, this is maybe a bit

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Speaker 1: of an outlier, but it accords. We've seen other polls

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Speaker 1: that have Trump up as well. Basically, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the over we're all polling, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the averages, it's effectively a jump ball right now. And

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Speaker 1: that's embarrassing for Democrats because we had four years of Trump.

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Speaker 4: We know what that looked like. It wasn't fun.

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Speaker 1: And this is a man who again is under multiple indictments.

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Speaker 1: And you know, even if you have some principal position

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Speaker 1: about like you know, former president shouldn't be indicet or

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Speaker 1: should be handled by the political process or whatever, no

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Speaker 1: one can really defend the actions that he was taking

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Speaker 1: with regard to the documents and lying about it and

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Speaker 1: covering it up et cetera. So the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: at best a jump ball for Joe Biden at this

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Speaker 1: point is really pretty pathetic.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it is pathetic.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean, here's the other reason why we

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Speaker 2: have to spend so much time talking about this. All

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Speaker 2: of our current indications so far are that Trump is

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Speaker 2: doing better in the Republican primary. Let's put this up there,

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Speaker 2: because in the same poll they also tested Republican voters

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Speaker 2: and they show DeSantis at or below fifteen percent with

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Speaker 2: Republicans in the twenty twenty four race. That's actually worse

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Speaker 2: than RFK Junior is going against Joe, they say. The

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Speaker 2: new pole shows him actually with his weakest support yet,

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Speaker 2: Trump boasting fifty nine percent, DeSantis staggering forty five percent

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Speaker 2: points back at fourteen actually losing two percent. In the

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Speaker 2: same one behind DeSantis is Mike Pence at eight percent.

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Speaker 2: He shows his he actually showed his doubling from four

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Speaker 2: percent that he was last time the poll was taken.

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Speaker 2: And then Nicky Haley at four percent leading the rest.

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Speaker 3: Of the field.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean, how can you possibly look at this

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Speaker 2: and say that this is the best. Also, Crystal, in

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Speaker 2: terms of their second choice, one of the problems for

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Speaker 2: DeSantis is while he remains at forty one percent, the

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Speaker 2: majority second choice, Mike Pence, Nikki Haley, and Vike Ramaswami

598
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Speaker 2: are also nipping away.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't even have the majority.

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Speaker 2: Second choice amongst Trump voters that are there right now.

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Speaker 2: Again actually showing you the diluting effect of Mike Pence,

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Speaker 2: of Nicki Haley, and all of these other candidates in

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Speaker 2: the field. They're not taking away from Trump overwhelmingly, they

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Speaker 2: are taking away from Ron DeSantis. Sandas was unable to

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Speaker 2: make enough of a case to say I am the

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Speaker 2: only in the clear alternative.

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Speaker 3: With all of these other people jumping.

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Speaker 2: In, they're nipping away at his potential support, his donor base,

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Speaker 2: and just making it even more likely that Trump is

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Speaker 2: probably going to win the nomination.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this poll, it's an outlier, Will, let's

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Speaker 1: be clear, but it's not that much of an outlier.

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Speaker 1: I have the real clear politics averages in front of me.

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Speaker 1: The poll before this was from the Message Jor and

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Speaker 1: Harris X, and it has Trump at fifty three and

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Speaker 1: Desanta's at seventeen. The poll we just showed you had

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Speaker 1: Desanta's at fourteen. So it's not that much of an outlier,

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Speaker 1: and the one before that was Quinnipiac and it had

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Speaker 1: DeSantis at twenty three and Trump at fifty three. There

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Speaker 1: has been certainly no bump for Desanta since he launched,

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Speaker 1: if anything, you know, post launched, and especially post indictment.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be eating into his standing here with that.

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Speaker 4: Harvard Harris poll that we just showed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not only is he at fourteen, he's not

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Speaker 1: even that much an out of my funt hence who's

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Speaker 1: at eight. So I just think this is a very

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Speaker 1: difficult landscape for DeSantis or anyone to be able to

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Speaker 1: overcome because you've still got the guy who defines all

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Speaker 1: of our politics. He's still there. Republican base still loves him.

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Speaker 1: He can get away with, you know, all sorts of

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Speaker 1: things that other candidates can't get away with. He's able

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Speaker 1: to position himself on abortion and other issues in a

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Speaker 1: way that Ron DeSantis, for example, is unable to sort

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Speaker 1: of finesse and get away with. And with more indictments

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Speaker 1: likely on the horizon, this is just the dynamic between

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Speaker 1: now and when people actually start voting in the primary,

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Speaker 1: so very difficult at this point. It is not in

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Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis or anyone else's hands. If Trump is going

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Speaker 1: to be knocked off, it's going to be some external

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Speaker 1: factor that we can't even think about or can't even

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Speaker 1: predict right now.

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Speaker 4: It have to be something like that.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise there is no like messaging path to defeating this man.

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Speaker 4: I just don't see it.

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Speaker 2: And let's just say that's not a terrible thing to

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Speaker 2: you know. Trump has a lot of risks, got the

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Speaker 2: DOJ on his back, He's got to all of these

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Speaker 2: potential indictments, like, he's obviously facing serious legal challenges. He's old, Like,

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Speaker 2: you can't write these things off. It's still not a

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Speaker 2: bad bet for Ron DeSantis, but it is still a

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Speaker 2: bet where the odds are severely stacked against him, and

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Speaker 2: I always think it's important to.

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Speaker 3: Take that away.

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Speaker 2: DeSantis, though, is trying his best right now in terms

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Speaker 2: of his attacks against Donald Trump. One of the ones

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Speaker 2: he's really pursuing is kind of a Ted Cruz strategy.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget Ted Cruz did come in second in the

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Speaker 2: GOP primary in twenty sixteen. DeSantis is effectively running to

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Speaker 2: Trump's from the right, saying that Trump is not a

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Speaker 2: true conservative, He's not with the real movement. DeSantis actually

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Speaker 2: just came out in a new interview with an evangelical

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Speaker 2: channel to call out Trump on the issue of abortion.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: You know, right to life. We were able to deliver

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Speaker 6: the heartbeat bill, which was a big, big deal. And

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Speaker 6: you know, while I appreciate what the former president has

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Speaker 6: done in a variety of realms, he opposes that bill.

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Speaker 6: He said it was quote harsh to protect an unborn

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Speaker 6: child when there's a detectable heartbeat. I think that's humane

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Speaker 6: to do. I think pro lifers have been wanting to see,

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Speaker 6: you know, good pro life protections, whether it's Florida or

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Speaker 6: IOW under Kim Reynolds, very important that you're able to

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Speaker 6: get this stuff done.

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Speaker 7: You mentioned abortion.

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Speaker 6: Do you feel the former presidence going soft then on

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Speaker 6: abortion a little bit, especially in this area that you mentioned, Well,

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Speaker 6: I think so. I mean, I was really surprised because

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Speaker 6: he's a Florida resident, and I thought he would he

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Speaker 6: would compliment the fact, you know that we were able

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Speaker 6: to do the heartbeat bill, which I pro lifers have

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Speaker 6: wanted for a long time. He never complimented, never said

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Speaker 6: anything about it. Then he was asked about it and

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Speaker 6: he said it was quote harsh, but you know, these

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Speaker 6: are children with detectable heartbeats, and I think to do

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Speaker 6: that was very humane and I think it was something

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Speaker 6: that every pro lifer appreciates that we were able to

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Speaker 6: get that done.

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Speaker 3: So what do we take away from that?

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Speaker 2: How many times did you say the word pro lifer

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Speaker 2: over and over trying to identify himself with the pro

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Speaker 2: life movement? Smart play actually because they're so active in

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Speaker 2: the GOP primary, but specific in the state called Iowa.

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Speaker 2: And that's also why he kept noting that's the same

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Speaker 2: build that they have in Iowa where Kim Reynolds, the

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Speaker 2: Iowa governor. He's betting the house on Iowa. David Brody,

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Speaker 2: the interviewer there from CBN, was actually an interesting figure

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Speaker 2: because he's evangelical media, but he's also kind of a

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Speaker 2: Trump booster. So for him to give airing to DeSantis

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Speaker 2: on this issue of abortion, specifically targeted to the most

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Speaker 2: evangelicals who would watch his channel and who consume that content.

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Speaker 2: I do see that as significant, at least that the

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Speaker 2: peral life for seeing some sort of betrayal by Trump.

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Speaker 2: Now at the same time, Trump is on the right

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Speaker 2: side of majority public opinion, but not necessarily even GOP

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Speaker 2: primary public opinion.

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Speaker 3: So I would say this is probably.

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Speaker 2: The only real, the only real what would I say, like,

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Speaker 2: the only vulnerability that Trump may have. I'm only gonna

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Speaker 2: say may because at the same time, he still has

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Speaker 2: the ultimate Trump card. What can he say, I'm the

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Speaker 2: one who got it done. Yeah, you would never have

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Speaker 2: ROVERSUS way destroyed without me, which if you look at

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Speaker 2: the polls and the who Evangelicals are supporting, majority of

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Speaker 2: them still support Trump in the primary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it also because it has been made so clear

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Speaker 1: that positions like the one Ron DeSantis has staked out

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Speaker 1: with the Heartbeat Bill, that they are wildly unpopular with

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Speaker 1: the general electorate.

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Speaker 4: It also eats into his electability case. Yes, is true,

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Speaker 4: which is part of why.

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Speaker 1: You see Republican voters, I mean, Ron DeSantis's strongest pitch

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Speaker 1: is like, you know, Trump without the chaos, and I'm

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Speaker 1: the guy that can beat Biden.

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Speaker 4: Republican voters don't actually see it that way.

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Speaker 1: A majority of them still think Donald Trump is their

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Speaker 1: most effective candidate to attempt to win back the White House.

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Speaker 1: So it's not working out well in that regard. And

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Speaker 1: then the other thing that I found really noteworthy that

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Speaker 1: we cover last week of the week before is some

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Speaker 1: of DeSantis's own internal polling that was leaked showed that yes,

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Speaker 1: voters do actually they've taken in the messaging that he

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Speaker 1: is very conservative, that he is more conservative than Trump.

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Speaker 1: But guess what, even voters that identify self identify as

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Speaker 1: very conservative, the majority of them are go for Trump.

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Speaker 1: So even though he staked out the ideological ground, which

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Speaker 1: is a hit to his electability, even though people have

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Speaker 1: taken this in like Okay, yes, we see what you're doing,

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Speaker 1: we see that you are to the right of Trump,

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter because ultimately the very conservative voters, they're willing

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Speaker 1: to give Trump a pass on this issue and a

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Speaker 1: variety of other issues and still stick by his side

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Speaker 1: even though they feel like ideologically maybe DeSantis more line

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Speaker 1: voters just don't frequently vote with like a checklist of

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Speaker 1: like let me go through issue by issue and see

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Speaker 1: which Canada is closer to my position. It's a much

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Speaker 1: more complex process that has a lot more to do

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Speaker 1: with vibes and do I like the affleticts of this person.

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Speaker 1: Do I get the sense they're a fighter, sense they're

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Speaker 1: going to fight for me than it is this sort

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Speaker 1: of like issue by issue checklist that a lot of

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Speaker 1: politicians DeSantis included.

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Speaker 2: Sort of approach it at right. DeSantis is prosecuting like

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Speaker 2: a conservative policy case. Let's put the next one up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, please, because it's important as well.

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Speaker 2: You can see he says, quote me, LUs repeal the

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Speaker 2: jailbreak bill that allowed this to happen. He was linking

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Speaker 2: to a Fox articles saying that a terrorist financier released

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Speaker 2: under the First Step Act says that he would be

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Speaker 2: proud to fund terrorists again. So this is a part

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Speaker 2: of a new case that I've been seeing bubbling up

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Speaker 2: against Trump. Ryan Gerdusky actually in our panel brought this

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Speaker 2: up in terms of Trump's major you know, accomplishments. Was

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Speaker 2: one a major tax cut for the RISH too, was

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Speaker 2: the First Step Act, a criminal justice reform. What's interesting

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Speaker 2: to me, Crystal, is how much they are calling it

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Speaker 2: and messaging on using this by tying it actually to

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Speaker 2: a rising crime wave, which of course GOP voters are

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Speaker 2: very upset about and are not not just GOP voters,

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Speaker 2: But you know, I could say more animated about talking

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Speaker 2: specifically about the criminal justice reform and actually tying Trump

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Speaker 2: to the issue. The problem actually for Trump is that

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Speaker 2: he himself has refused to defend the law in the past.

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Speaker 2: Anytime he's been asked about it, he said, oh, I

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Speaker 2: did that for Jared because that was part of Jared

776
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Speaker 2: Kushner's big push in the White House. Jared Kushner teamed

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Speaker 2: up with Tim Scott to go up against that. Interestingly

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Speaker 2: to me also is that DeSantis can run both against

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Speaker 2: both Tim Scott, who something we haven't noted is that

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Speaker 2: while he doesn't have a large amount of support in

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Speaker 2: the current polls right now, he has a very high

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Speaker 2: favorability rating for Republican politicians.

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Speaker 3: Amongst the GOP base.

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Speaker 2: He's actually the only politician other than Trump with an

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Speaker 2: overall positive trend. It's DeSantis, Trump and Tim Scott. So

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Speaker 2: it's a smart play to be able to go against

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Speaker 2: the only other two people in the race who have

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Speaker 2: a high favorability rating over like forty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tim Scott is kind of hard to hit

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Speaker 1: because he just he does have that likability factor. Apparently

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Speaker 1: is well liked with his I mean, I listen ideologically,

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Speaker 1: I'm obviously like in a very different place than him,

793
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Speaker 1: but voters really like him in South Carolina. His colleagues

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Speaker 1: really like him in the Senate, and I did think

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Speaker 1: it was interesting. I took note of the fact that

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Speaker 1: when we interviewed her name is what Shelby Talcott. She

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Speaker 1: is very in touch with, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the Republican aids and advisors and campaign out broduce and whatever.

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Speaker 1: And at least what the Trump people were telling her,

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Speaker 1: whether this is what they accurately believe or not, was

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Speaker 1: that they had their eye on Tim Scott as a

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Speaker 1: potential threat as well. And so yeah, it makes sense

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Speaker 1: for DeSantis to be sort of taken shots both at

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Speaker 1: Trump and Tim Scott here just to make sure that

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Speaker 1: he remains the top contender should Trump fall control.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if we could put the Ron.

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Speaker 1: DeSantis word cloud up that would be a seven B

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Speaker 1: because I think it also speaks to some of the

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Speaker 1: issues that he could have in terms of electability, which

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Speaker 1: again is like really the core case here. Yes, he's

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Speaker 1: positioning himself to the right of Trump in terms of

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Speaker 1: the Republican base, but really the pitch is I am

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Speaker 1: a winner.

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Speaker 4: I can win.

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Speaker 1: Look at the scoreboard, right, he famously said. So the

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Speaker 1: views of DeSantis, amongst all voters. Not a pretty picture

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Speaker 1: here in terms of if you think this is your

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Speaker 1: electability guy number one is unsure. Okay, well, that's maybe

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Speaker 1: hopeful because you can fill in the blanks for people

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Speaker 1: and maybe you can try a positive message there. But

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Speaker 1: some of the other ones that are top are fascist, idiot, racist, terrible, evil, dangerous.

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Speaker 1: I like the one that just says nah an a

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Speaker 1: just like nah. So listen how we feel about Rondo Santis.

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Speaker 1: Whether you think that these adjectives are accurate or the

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Speaker 1: way that you would describe him, it certainly paints a

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Speaker 1: picture of someone who is not a luck for the presidency,

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Speaker 1: not a luck to be more electable than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way the Republican voters view it. They're

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Speaker 1: not confident that he actually would be a stronger general

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Speaker 1: election candidate, so to the extent that that's something that

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Speaker 1: they're weighing in their voting, which I've always been skeptical

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Speaker 1: that that would be the top priority for the Republican base,

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Speaker 1: But to the extent that this is something that people

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Speaker 1: are really looking at and care about, the case is

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Speaker 1: far from clearcut that Rondo Santis is the guy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think he's got more vulnerabilities certainly than people

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Speaker 2: let on. He's not, you know, the golden ticket I

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Speaker 2: think to election, I do still think he would be

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Speaker 2: a stronger candidate, just because Trump does have so much baggage.

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Speaker 2: But it's important to look at all of them, you know,

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Speaker 2: on the merits, and just see what the real case

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Speaker 2: and the tests would look like. Let's go to the

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Speaker 2: next one here. Secretary Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln is

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Speaker 2: currently in Beijing.

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Speaker 3: He's meeting with the.

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Speaker 2: Chinese president, Sheishingping after hours of meetings with the foreign

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Speaker 2: minister in China. Let's go and put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. It was just a preview of what happened.

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Speaker 2: This is a fascinating and a big development on the

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Speaker 2: global stage, arguably the most important meeting Secretary of Blincoln's

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Speaker 2: career so far. After months of the cold shoulder, China

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Speaker 2: welcoming Anthony Blincoln to Beijing. It's the first visit by

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Speaker 2: a US cabinet official to China since twenty nineteen during

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Speaker 2: the pandemic. Chinese officials currently have all played up the

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Speaker 2: notion that the US is the most eager to meet,

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Speaker 2: but behind the scenes, this meeting is very important because

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Speaker 2: Beijing really wants Shishingping to actually be invited to an

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Speaker 2: Asia Pacific leaders conference in San Francisco in November, and

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Speaker 2: they also want a separate meeting with President Biden himself

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Speaker 2: on US soil. Now, in terms of what they are

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Speaker 2: talking about, the meeting actually quite literally just broke. So

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Speaker 2: we can get a few of the details after they're

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Speaker 2: briefing the press.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they have been asked so far.

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Speaker 2: Secretary Blincoln had a couple of different initiatives that he

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Speaker 2: really wanted to establish Crystal.

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Speaker 3: We should forget. We shouldn't forget that.

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Speaker 2: When the original meeting of Secretary Blincoln and Chinese President

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Speaker 2: Shihinping was scheduled in February, during the Chinese balloon incidents,

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Speaker 2: we shot the balloon balloon Gate. After we shot down

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Speaker 2: the balloon, Secretary Lincoln he had to cancel his trip

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Speaker 2: to Beijing.

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Speaker 3: It caused international consternation.

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Speaker 2: The Beijing and the Chinese called it out, saying that

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Speaker 2: we were behaving thuggishly and their words and insults were flying.

876
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: But I guess things are better now. One of the

877
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: important things that actually happened in February was the cutoff

878
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: of military to military deconfliction channels between the US and China.

879
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: Here's why that's important.

880
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: Even currently in the war in Ukraine and more, we

881
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 2: have seen multiple near misses of by pilots, of Russian

882
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: pilots and of US pilots over the Black Sea that

883
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: result in potentially dangerous incidents. The same thing has happened

884
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: with Chinese overflights. So what we have always long tried

885
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: to have is deconfliction military to military channels where the

886
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs can call the head of

887
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: the People's Liberation Army and just say, hey, just so

888
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: you guys know, we're doing drills in this region.

889
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: Don't take it as a threat.

890
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: They have refused to pick up the phone since the

891
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: February shootdown incident. Beijing has still even after this meeting.

892
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: Is a bit of a snub to Secretary of blinkn

893
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: refusing to set up the military to military communication channel.

894
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: We should all want that, just because you don't want

895
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Speaker 2: an accident to incite a major international incident like Hainan

896
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Speaker 2: Island in two thousand and one.

897
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I always thought it was a real shame that

898
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: the whole balloon situation derailed that meeting. With Blincoln, and

899
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: it really did lead to a sort of downward spiral

900
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: in terms of relationship and certainly in terms of communication.

901
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: You'll recall also recently we had requested a meeting between

902
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: Sectary of Defense Lloyd Austin and with his counterpart in China,

903
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: and China was like no, yeah, they denied it, and

904
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: so real blatant snub there. But at the same time,

905
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: the Chinese have a few goals here in terms of

906
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: trying to thaw relationships. They really want to be able

907
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to achieve a meeting between Biden and she. So that's

908
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: one thing. Another thing is they have their economies on

909
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: the rocks.

910
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not doing well.

911
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 4: They're not doing well.

912
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: They have very high youth unemployment, they've got debt issues,

913
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: They've got a lot of problems going on domestically in

914
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: terms of their economy. So they're also very anxious to

915
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: have economic meetings with say Janet Yellen and with Gina Raymondo.

916
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: And so part of why they wanted this thaw is

917
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Speaker 1: to achieve some of their economic objectives, and not just

918
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: with us, because in some ways, you know, Biden has

919
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: already imposed some import controls, there's already an aggressive, more

920
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: hawkish posture with regard to economics, in.

921
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 4: Particular Visa VI China.

922
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: In some ways, that ship has sailed, and I sort

923
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: of feel like, regardless of other Biden or Trump or

924
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: Stantis or whoever wins the next election, they're going to

925
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: continue in that direction. We saw how vulnerable we were

926
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, the fact that all of our supply

927
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: lines were overseas so far too slowly, in my opinion,

928
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: we're trying to bring some of that back, and I

929
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: don't see us really reversing course there. However, the Europeans

930
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: have tried to strike a different tone and take a

931
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Speaker 1: different approach. So part of China trying to demonstrate their

932
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: good will here viz. Of the US is also a

933
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Speaker 1: message to the Europeans of like, we're good guys, you

934
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Speaker 1: can work with us. We are actually interested in peace,

935
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Speaker 1: and you know, with regard to Russian and Ukraine, we're

936
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Speaker 1: interested in mutual cooperation that could be both to all

937
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Speaker 1: of our countries benefits. So part of the desire on

938
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Speaker 1: the Chinese side for them to have this meeting was

939
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Speaker 1: not just aimed at us and what they might be

940
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Speaker 1: able to accomplish in terms of our relationship and further communications,

941
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Speaker 1: which I think is extremely important. I'm glad to see

942
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: that this happened, but it's also aimed at the Europeans

943
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: to try to keep a friendly relationship there.

944
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Exactly right.

945
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: So another update from Secretary Blinking, who's literally speaking live

946
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: with reporters right now, saying that currently the US actually

947
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: pushed not only for better lines of communication, but also

948
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: asked for increased Chinese efforts to stop Chinese fentanyl being

949
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 2: sent to Mexico for inclusion by the drug cartels into

950
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: obviously making its way across our border and then being

951
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American

952
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: citizens in the last several years. Perhaps most noteworthy Crystal

953
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: right now, as the Secretary, Blincoln came out and said, quote,

954
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: we do not support Taiwan independence. We do not support

955
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Speaker 2: any change to the unilateral status quo, saying that they

956
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: are concerned by some Chinese moves made against Taiwan. Here's

957
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: why that's important. It is a rhetorical gift towards the Taiwanese. Also,

958
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: though without changing in a US government policy, the Taiwan

959
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: Relations Act says that we recognize the current China the

960
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: People's Republic of China as the only China. We do not, however,

961
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: change or want any support for Taiwanese absorption into the

962
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: overall Chinese state, and we still effectively support their sovereignty

963
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: without reckon them as their own nation. So it's a

964
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: very convoluted system, but it is a rhetorical gift by

965
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: Anthony Blincoln in order to try and set engagement by

966
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 2: not offering up any real policy change but still coming

967
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: out and saying we do not support Taiwan independence. And

968
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: it's one of those where obviously self have to read

969
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: it also in the same move of President Biden's comments

970
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: where he said repeatedly in the past he would actually

971
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: support Taiwan if the Chinese would ever mount a military

972
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: invasion against.

973
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Speaker 4: Them, exactly.

974
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: So the fact that you have a direct answer here,

975
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: no hedge, no dodge coming on Chinese soil is significant,

976
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: and you know, all indications are in terms of lowering

977
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: the temperature here the meanings were successful, that they were

978
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: more successful than the last meetings that happened on the

979
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Speaker 1: sidelines of the munich Security Conference. And there's another piece

980
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: that's a part of why those conversations were considered to

981
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: be not so effective is because that came at the

982
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Speaker 1: very same moment that the US released intelligence leaked it

983
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: to the press that they thought China was considering sending

984
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: lethal aid to Russia, sending weapons to Russia, and the

985
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: Chinese were very angry about that, partly because of what

986
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: I was saying before. They really want to keep the

987
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: Europeans persuaded that they're actually interested in peace, that they're

988
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: not overtly taking Russia aside, even though I think that's

989
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: entirely questionable. So that was part of why those talks

990
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: got derailed. There was a big question mark hanging over

991
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: these talks because there's new intelligence reporting about what exactly

992
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: happened with that whole balloon situation, Like was it just

993
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: an accident, they claimed it was a weather balloon. Was

994
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: there really a weather balloon? I think we already know

995
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: the answer to that. And there was a question of

996
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: whether or not the Biden administration was going to release

997
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: that intelligence. Republicans are very much pushing them to do that,

998
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: and they're painting it, and you know, they're painting what

999
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 1: is revealed in that report. None of us have seen

1000
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: it or know exactly what's in it. Republicans are painting

1001
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: it is like this was bad and this was intentional

1002
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: on part of the Chinese. The Biden administration, Biden in

1003
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: particulars tried to downplay it as this was more of

1004
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: an accident than an intentional provocation, and that too helped

1005
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: set the stage for lowering the temperature and having more

1006
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,959
Speaker 1: successful toxic.

1007
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: Whether it's an accident or not.

1008
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: The current leaks that actually have come out about the balloon, yeah,

1009
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, look value judgment aside.

1010
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 3: Something that drives me crazy.

1011
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: Is or like, oh, it's just a balloon, you know,

1012
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: what could they possibly get? The current you know, actual

1013
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: analysis of the balloon says it was more high tech

1014
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: than actually anything the US has, and they were deeply

1015
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: impressed at the level of technology.

1016
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: Well we gained something grabbing it, right.

1017
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: But there is a consistent, in my opinion, under estimation

1018
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: of Chinese, like of Chinese.

1019
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: Abilities, of their like.

1020
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: I people have often, you know, said like, I have

1021
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: some sort of bias against the Chinese. I guess it's

1022
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: possibly true only in that I respect them. I see

1023
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: what they have done and look at it with clear

1024
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: eyes and say this is not you know, some backwater

1025
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: almost like a racist view of like this rising nation,

1026
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: which is you know, operating by and some two bit

1027
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: pro This is a highly sophisticated technological society, deeply ideologically

1028
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: committed to a vision of supplanting and changing the global order,

1029
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: and specifically of reclaiming total sovereignty and hegemony over East

1030
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: Asia and.

1031
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: Possibly the rest of the world.

1032
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: It's a program they've laid out for decades. They write

1033
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: it very clearly. They also write it in English so

1034
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: that people like us understand exactly what they think. And

1035
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: instead we almost look at it as some bumbling balloon

1036
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: that was almost it was unsophisticated, whereas our current analysis

1037
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: of it, whether it was an accent or not. Obviously,

1038
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: you know, technology like this will drift off cross We're

1039
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: apparently looking at the spy tech and we're like, wait,

1040
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: this is better than anything that even we have, And

1041
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, guys, you know, while we're spending one

1042
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars or so over in Ukraine, what we

1043
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: are currently seeing with the Chinese is they actually come

1044
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: to us and like, why are you predicating our relationship

1045
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: on what's going on in Ukraine. They're like, we are

1046
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: the two largest economies in the world, our bilateral relations

1047
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: should rely on our economic ties and the potential of

1048
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: averting military conflict between our two sides.

1049
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: So it's an interesting geopolitical question as well.

1050
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have questions about like what I mean,

1051
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I have to think it was an act because this

1052
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: didn't work out well for the Chinese.

1053
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: You know, like Chinese system is very complicated because it's

1054
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: it's not like the US government. There are factions within

1055
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: the PLA one outright wants war. She Shengping basically is

1056
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: like torn between that side and then the previous economic side.

1057
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: There were new effectively the neoliberals of China who said,

1058
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: look who cares about Taiwan.

1059
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: We're all in this for the money.

1060
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: We're corrupt it, let's make billions, and they did, I mean,

1061
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: they became some of the richest people literally on planet Earth.

1062
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: She has effectively calm and nuked many of those people

1063
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: from the party, but he still has to satisfy the

1064
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: billionaire effectively, like if you think Chinese oligar American oligarchs

1065
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: are powerful, the Chinese oligarchs both are always at the

1066
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: mercy of literally being killed. But before that, they are

1067
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: i mean power center very much in their own right.

1068
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: So they're they're torn in very different directions too many

1069
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: in many ways in comparison to the US state. It's

1070
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: just non democratic in the way that they operate.

1071
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, anyway, whatever happened with the balloon, they're trying

1072
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: to smooth the waters now seem to have had successful talks,

1073
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: and I genuinely think that's a good thing in terms

1074
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Speaker 1: of averting any sort of near term conflict.

1075
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Speaker 2: Very much hope, so, especially we're bogged down in Eastern Europe.

1076
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: Right now, Let's go to the next part here Fox

1077
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: News and Tucker Carlson at War. This is a very

1078
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Speaker 2: actually interesting one.

1079
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Speaker 3: It came in Chiron War.

1080
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Speaker 2: So now that we have our own chirons, I guess

1081
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: I could sympathize. Although I've always shot this entire clapback

1082
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: Chiron thing going on in primetime is deeply silly. For example, see, yeah,

1083
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: you know, when we do our chirons, we just want

1084
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: it straight so that somebody who's watching it on their

1085
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: phone or their TV can just look up and have

1086
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Speaker 2: a very you know, content knowledge of like, Okay, that's

1087
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Speaker 2: what the se.

1088
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Speaker 3: What's going on is about.

1089
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Speaker 1: By the way, guys, in case you don't know, the

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Speaker 1: Chiron is just like the banner. Yeah, you put on

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Speaker 1: that says whatever you're talking.

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Speaker 3: There you go control room.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, there's no editorial judgment in this room like Tucker. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but we are being descriptive in our editorial judgment where

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Speaker 2: not just we're not saying, like Tucker declares war on

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Speaker 2: Fox News falsely. That's something that CNN used to do

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Speaker 2: during the Trump era. They would live fact check him

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Speaker 2: in the chiron or fact check you know, fake fact

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Speaker 2: checks in the chiron. And then secondarily though, there was

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Speaker 2: a chiron that appeared on the Fox News program while

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Speaker 2: President Biden was speaking while President Trump was also speaking

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Speaker 2: after his indictment, in which they called Biden a quote

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Speaker 2: wanna be dictator. That Fox News producer who made that

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Speaker 2: chiron was later fired from Fox News after they had

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Speaker 2: to issue an apology, and it turns out he actually

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00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: used to work for the Tucker Carlson Show. Tucker of

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Speaker 2: course coming to the defense of his former staff and

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00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: also viewing it as a contrast in a way to

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Speaker 2: show that Fox News says gone woke and his no

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Speaker 2: longer can be trusted.

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Speaker 8: Here's what he had to say beneath those videos at

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Speaker 8: the bottom of the screen, Fox's banner read this way

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Speaker 8: quote wannab dictator speaks at the White House after having

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Speaker 8: his political rival arrested.

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Speaker 3: Those words are up for less.

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Speaker 8: Than thirty seconds, but the effect was immediate. Inside Fox,

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00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 8: the women who run the network panicked. First, they scolded

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Speaker 8: the producer who put the banner on the screen. Less

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Speaker 8: than twenty four hours after that, he resigned. He'd been

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Speaker 8: at Fox for more than a decade. He was considered

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Speaker 8: one of the most capable people in the building. He

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Speaker 8: offered to stay for the customary two weeks, but Fox

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Speaker 8: told him to clear out his desk and leave immediately.

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Speaker 8: Then the company issued a public apology for the twenty

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Speaker 8: seven second long Wannabe Dictator line quote. The chiron was

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Speaker 8: taken down immediately, Fox's PR department said, and then added

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00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 8: ominously it was quote addressed. That was all true, but

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Speaker 8: it was not enough to save Fox News from the

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Speaker 8: ensuing scandal.

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Speaker 3: So why does that matter?

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00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Because it shows you that Tucker obviously still very upset

1132
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: at Fox for firing him using his position, especially whenever

1133
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: they are issuing cease and desist letters, and there's an

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00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: ongoing legal war as to whether he's literally allowed to

1135
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 2: do that show at all. But the reason why it's important,

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Speaker 2: I think is it shows a growing alliance of the

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00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: online right, Tucker Carlson and also Trump against the pre

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00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 2: eminent conservative program that's out there right now. Let's put

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00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: this up there, because Trump also joining the fray going

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Speaker 2: ahead and saying that he's joining actually Fox News or

1141
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: started joining Tucker Carlson in going after Fox News as disgraceful,

1142
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: says that Tucker Carlson is right and twisting the knife

1143
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 2: after MSNBC actually beat Fox News, he quote called himself

1144
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: the King and demanded they bring back Trump Allies and MAGA.

1145
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Speaker 2: So the reason why again is that he says it

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Speaker 2: happened as I predicted. The golden goose that has been

1147
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: so beautiful is being slaughtered by fools. MAGA has left

1148
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: Fox for more promising prairies, love prairies and quotes.

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Speaker 3: Don't ask me why that one was in quotes, Long

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00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: live the King.

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Speaker 2: The only for Foxes to bring back Trump Allies and

1152
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: MAGA backing no personality Rond sanctimonious has been a disaster. Also,

1153
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: do not broadcast negative ads against Republicans and Conservative candidates

1154
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: by perverts misfits like the failing Lincoln project.

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00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 3: Roger Ayles never allowed that. Man.

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00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: The character limit really was a blessing for Trump, these

1157
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: long tweets and also long treat for it. Really you

1158
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: know it. It requires a live editing and an economy

1159
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: of words, which I find very important. But I think

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00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: that the main point remains that Fox News is increasingly

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00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: losing its cachet amongst hardcore GOP primary boyah who have

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00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: access online down to the Tucker Carlson Show, also to

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00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: Trump on truth social I'm not saying that this is

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00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 2: going to be some great revolution, but it has brought

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Speaker 2: down Fox, so they are no longer the kings of

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Speaker 2: cable of which they were claimed the mantle for decades

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Speaker 2: of our politics.

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Speaker 4: Crystal, I mean the irony.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's an irony, but the truth

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Speaker 1: is Trump, right, Yeah, you know, Trump is the most

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Speaker 1: singular force in American politics. I think that's terrible. I

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Speaker 1: think it's bad for the country. I think it's bad

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Speaker 1: for politics. I think it makes it so our politics

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00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: end up being about nothing and about you know, it's

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Speaker 1: just like existential lesser too evils. There's no policy. No

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Speaker 1: one feels the need to run on anything affirmative.

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Speaker 4: I think that sucks, but I think it's also reality.

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Speaker 1: And you see it with CNN when they tried to

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Speaker 1: pull back from you know what they had cultivated over

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Speaker 1: years of this resistance focused, very Trump focused audience. When

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Speaker 1: they tried to counter program that, it's been a disaster

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00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: for them. And so the one channel that has stayed

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00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: in the like all Trump, all the time lane is

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Speaker 1: MSNBC and they have been benefiting from it. Put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. They actually dethroned Fox News after

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Speaker 1: years long ratings dominance. MSNBC turned in a few performances

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Speaker 1: that were actually higher than Fox News.

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Speaker 4: This is nearly un heard of.

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Speaker 1: Nielsen dat are regarding the weekending this past Sunday showed

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Speaker 1: that Fox's primetime eight to eleven PM viewership average about

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00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: one point five zero four, and the average viewership for

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: the more left leaning MSNBC over that same primetime hours

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Speaker 1: was one point five two oh so narrowly beating out

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Speaker 1: the conservative network. But that's a huge deal. Fox normally

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: dwarfs AMSNBC. It's not even close.

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Speaker 4: But guess what.

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Speaker 1: Guess why MSNBC is doing so well. It's all about

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Speaker 1: Trump got indicted.

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Speaker 4: And they went all in, and you know.

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Speaker 1: CNN has sort of like broken the trust with their

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: liberal faithful and so they migrated over to MSNBC and

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00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: know they're going to get the like Trump centric coverage

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Speaker 1: that they want and desire and have been trained to expect.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, MSNBC ends up on top because

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00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: over at Fox, I mean, listen, Fox is still very conservative.

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00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: There's still in certain ways very pro Trump. But there

1207
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: was an overt attempt to make a break and push

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00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: Ron de Santis and that, you know, and then all

1209
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: the text messages that came out during the dominion lawsuit

1210
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: about the way they really felt about Trump and what

1211
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: was going on behind the scenes, the way they were

1212
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: manipulating their viewers. And then you've got competitors now in

1213
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: Newsmax and One America and also in online independent creators

1214
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: who so people have choices as well. I think it sucks,

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: But in terms of a cable news audience, if you're

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: just looking at ratings, there's simply no doubt that all Trump,

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: all the time, either pro or against, is the way

1218
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sad, it's very funny.

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Speaker 4: It's sad.

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Speaker 2: It also shows you that you know, Fox the biggest

1222
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 2: reason why I think that they made a big mistake

1223
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 2: is they were trying to do what they had the

1224
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: ability to do in two thousand and eight today. So

1225
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: for people who don't know, back in two thousand and eight,

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: Fox and Roger Ale specifically said, we have one mission.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take down President Obama, and we are

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: going to guide the move against Obama and re elect

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00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: the next republic or elect the next Republican president. What

1230
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: they did is they effectively created the Tea Party by

1231
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: featuring their guests on all of the time and giving

1232
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: them a central platform to be the organizing face and

1233
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: force of the actual GOP. They also did that in

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00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: two thousand and four for George W. Bush and then

1235
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: famously beat the war drum in Iraq that time, where

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00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: they effectively had a monopoly on conservative messaging. It's just over, yeah,

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: and I see signs of it everywhere. I see Republican

1238
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: politicians going on the Tim Poole Show. I see them

1239
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: going on the War Room podcast with Steve Bannon. Matt Gates,

1240
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: sure he goes on Fox News, but he goes on

1241
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff too. And watching that happen

1242
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 2: really in real time has been fascinating because they don't

1243
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: need Fox in the same way. And then when Fox

1244
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: could not really stand to lose some of its people

1245
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: or did not have the monopoly, it also went in

1246
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: for Ronda Sandys, who just simply is not the same

1247
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: force as Donald Trump. It doesn't have that level of support,

1248
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: So they tried to act as if they were still

1249
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: king makers for those who walked succession. There was a

1250
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: scene where they're like, let's go pick the next president,

1251
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: and I just remember thinking like, this is such an

1252
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: outdated model.

1253
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: Of how it works.

1254
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: Like cable presidents Rubert Murdoch and them, they don't pick

1255
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: the president anymore, and they haven't in a long time.

1256
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 2: So they're still just not waking up to reality. Maybe

1257
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 2: they're just so old that they literally have forgotten, certainly.

1258
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: On the Republican side, unfortunately, I think on the Democratic side.

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00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: There still is just a lot of trust.

1260
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Speaker 3: You might like.

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Speaker 1: Cable news, the mainstream press and whatever. I mean, we're

1262
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: talking about a multi decade long project to divorce the

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: conservative base from mainstream networks, and so for Fox that

1264
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: makes you vulnerable to when the new upstarts come along,

1265
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: you being painted as the mainstream dinosaur. That your base

1266
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: already has a lot of skepticism and antipathy towards So yeah,

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: it creates a real vulnerability for them. Now, what they

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00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: argue publicly, I think sometimes and definitely privately is basically,

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01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: our viewership is really old and they don't even know

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: how to find these other platforms, and so they're stuck

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: with us. Like that may have some truth to it,

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: but you really want to bet on that. The bottom

1273
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: line is there monopoly on the conservative base and on

1274
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: conservative viewership is over. It's a new era, it's a

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: new ecosystem. Are they still a force.

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01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 4: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Do politicians still want to go on there and make

1278
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: their case, no doubt about it. Do they still have

1279
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: personalities that you know, Garner views and have trust all.

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Speaker 4: That good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: But you know, just like these other cable news giants,

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01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: they're suffering from the same sort of managed decline and

1285
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: end of an era where they are just not going

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01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: to be as dominant a force as they used to

1287
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: be in terms of American politics.

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Speaker 4: That's probably a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's very well said. Whistle.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we have some other really interesting media news,

1291
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: But now returning to the alternative media space. So this

1292
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: massive streamer previously on Twitch, execuc put this up.

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01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: On the screen.

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: He just landed a massive streaming contract worth seventy millions. Also,

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01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: it's actually over the two years close to one hundred

1296
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: million dollars to move over from Twitch, which is right

1297
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: now the dominant video streaming platform, over to upstart Kick,

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01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: which just officially launched a few months ago. So over

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01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: on Twitch he had twelve million followers. Now he's moved

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: over to Kick. I took a look last night he

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Speaker 1: was at like two hundred and twenty four thousand followers.

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01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: So there are many, many fewer people on Kick. But

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Speaker 1: Sager clearly this new platform, which is owned by like

1304
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: Australian bitcoin gambling concern and had originally positioned itself as

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna be the free speech alternative kind of

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Speaker 1: the way that Rumble positioned itself visa the YouTube, they

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Speaker 1: are clearly making a big, big money play here to

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Speaker 1: become a mainstream alternative.

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Speaker 4: To Twitch and not just a sort of like side project.

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Speaker 1: And part of what I read into here put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen from Fortune is they think that

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Speaker 1: there's a real vulnerability to exploit because Twitch pissed off

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Speaker 1: a lot of their creators. The article here from Fortune

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Speaker 1: says video game streamers are rebelling against Twitch's a lower

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Speaker 1: revenue split and moving to a four month old platform

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Speaker 1: run by a crypto casino operator in Australian upstart platform

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Speaker 1: called Kick is emerging as a threat to Amazon streaming

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Speaker 1: Crown Jewel. I think that we're a long way from

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Speaker 1: it being a real full rival, just based on the numbers.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at who's on the platform, how many

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Speaker 1: people are on the platform, how much they're actually watching.

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Speaker 1: But part of why they think there's a vulnerability here

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Speaker 1: is because Twitch changed the revenue share with their creators,

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Speaker 1: basically being like, well, where else are you going to go?

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Speaker 4: You're stuck with us. Pissed everybody off.

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Speaker 1: And they also have had like aggressive content moderation quote

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Speaker 1: unquote or censorship approaches that have created some tension with

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Speaker 1: some of their creators as well. So they've moved to

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Speaker 1: try to smooth things over. They've made it so they

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Speaker 1: put the old revenue split.

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Speaker 4: Back, but just on the very top creators.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem to have done a lot to calm

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Speaker 1: the waters and execuc trying to capitalize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's actually fascinating.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons we wanted to cover it too

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: are so we're lucky to have gamers on staff who

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Speaker 2: keep us updated.

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Speaker 3: I will confess I do not game.

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm not part of the live streaming Twitch culture,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not an idiot, and I'm up enough with

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Speaker 2: the times to know that this is obviously a dominant sector,

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Speaker 2: specifically of people who are under the age of twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and actually even people who are under the age of eighteen,

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Speaker 2: who live and die with Twitch streaming and are willing

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01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: to watch like ten twelve hours a day. What's fascinating

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Speaker 2: to me about the development here is the way that

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Speaker 2: their content moderation standards has not reached the same scrutiny

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Speaker 2: that YouTube and other, I guess more established forces people

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Speaker 2: like us or the other political YouTubers who.

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Speaker 3: We all want to know.

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Speaker 2: Like we're long and most of our audience at this

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01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: point is familiar with the content moderation issues. But I

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01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: have seen people like Hassan get taken off for some

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: ludicrous reason in the past.

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Speaker 3: I've seen other.

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Speaker 2: Political you know, people who I don't even necessarily know them,

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Speaker 2: but I'll see it bubble up in my feed about

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01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, oh, they were taken down for next reason.

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Speaker 3: It's totally ridiculous, capricious.

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Speaker 2: Their content moderation standards are ludicrous, and of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: we need to pay attention to that. If the newer

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Speaker 2: generation is watching their stuff on Twitch, on this platform,

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01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 2: then obviously how political discourse on that platform is moderated

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: makes and is going to be very important for the future,

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Speaker 2: especially as these people come to vote, but also as

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Speaker 2: a source of entertainment as well. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: the new source of entertainment for a huge portion of

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Speaker 2: not just our youth, but really global youth. I find

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Speaker 2: that interesting too in gaming media, that part of the

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Speaker 2: reason they're able to command such high such high like dollars,

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Speaker 2: is that it's not just like American teenagers or wat

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Speaker 2: just like Indian teenagers, Filipino teenagers, really like anybody who

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Speaker 2: speaks English across the entire world, who are also playing

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Speaker 2: the same games on the same platforms, and then watching

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: people kind of talk both play those games, talk about

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Speaker 2: those games, and then also see some of it bleed

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Speaker 2: in to political commentary. So the fact that this is

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Speaker 2: happening is very interesting and also our producer Griffin was

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: telling you, Crystal about what it also may mean in

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01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: terms of Amazon and it's bet for the future why

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Speaker 2: they may not be as upset as they might as

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Speaker 2: you might think about this deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the business side of this, Number one,

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Speaker 1: I think the mainstream press is going to start taking

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Speaker 1: a lot more note because of the dollar fit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you have to when you're talking about one hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to put in context, this is the

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Speaker 1: why New York Times described it. This is like the

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Speaker 1: type of money that Lebron James gets, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is like top tier, superstar athlete type of money. So

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars is real money that's being thrown

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Speaker 1: here at a top creator. So I do think they'll

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Speaker 1: start to pay attention a bit more because you know,

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Speaker 1: they pay attention to money. The other piece that's interesting

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Speaker 1: here though, is Twitch is owned by Amazon. Okay, now

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Speaker 1: it appears we don't have Twitch's revenue stream and their

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: net profits or whatever broken out to know for sure,

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Speaker 1: but appears that Twitch is not even profitable. So for Amazon,

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: this global behemoth, Twitch is not even all of that important.

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Speaker 4: What they care a.

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01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: Lot more about are like the cloud computing services that

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: they sell and the technology that they sell also that

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01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: enables video streaming. And interestingly, put this next piece up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. And again thanks to our producer Griffin

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01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: for flagging this Kick is actually built on the Amazon

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: Web Services video streaming platform. This individual, Blake Robbins on Twitter,

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: goes on to say Kick is quite literally subsidizing Twitch

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Speaker 1: by paying to use the Twitch video system via Amazon

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Speaker 1: Web Services. It also explains how and why Kick has

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Speaker 1: been so stable relative to their growth and scale. So

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Speaker 1: basically the point here is Amazon. If Amazon wants to

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Speaker 1: kill Kick, it can at any time by just pulling

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Speaker 1: the cloud computing services, pulling the video streaming services. But

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Speaker 1: why don't they want to do that? Well, because they're

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: much more interested in having an overall monopoly over these

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: services and growing out this highly profitable business. And then

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Speaker 1: they are in really investing in Twitch and caring what

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Speaker 1: happens there. Put this next piece up on the screen

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Speaker 1: from Rich Cabrera, He says, here for here you are

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Speaker 1: for all those that think AWS is the only crowud

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01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: service provider at least nine percent more than as your

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Speaker 1: and by the way, YouTube and all Google services.

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Speaker 4: Run on Google Cloud. But the big thing.

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Speaker 1: Here is you have a chart that shows you cloud

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Speaker 1: market AWS dominates, then comes as your then comes Google Cloud.

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Speaker 1: So this is the much bigger business for Amazon. And

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01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: they're much more committed to being the monopolistic player in

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Speaker 1: this sphere as they are in other spheres than they

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Speaker 1: are ultimately to protecting their asset.

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Speaker 4: In terms of twitch video streaming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fascinating to see it from that perspective and

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 2: just be like, oh, well, maybe they don't care because

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Speaker 2: as long as they own basically the pipes of the

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Speaker 2: Internet and all of live streaming, they're like, okay, whatever,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see how this plays out. I had

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01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: been looking into a lot with YouTube gaming. I obviously

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01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 2: we care a lot about YouTube is the platform that

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01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: we were born on, even though exists on several others,

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: including the especially the podcast platform.

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Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of success with YouTube.

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: They are investing many of their tools in terms of gaming,

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01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: in terms of live gaming reaction, the chat features, the

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01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: bot features, your ability to do super chat. All of

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 2: that is not built for people like us. It's built

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: for gamers. And that I didn't know is that gaming

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01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 2: has actually been multiplying by YouTube almost by like one

1447
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: and two hundred percent per year in terms of the traction.

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01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 2: So it's a growing, massively growing audience. As people, especially

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01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: younger kids, get onto YouTube and are watching and consuming

1450
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 2: that content. It may feel saturated, but it's really not.

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01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: It's actually still skyrocketing. It may actually be as seeing

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01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: with the dollars here the next multi hundred billion dollar

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,600
Speaker 2: industry that people in the mainstream really don't pay a

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 2: lot of attention to. And that's what we're trying to

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Speaker 2: do here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my ten year old son who loves all

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,839
Speaker 1: this stuff. He and his bestie got together this weekend

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: and they were talking about their favorite streamers and YouTube creators.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's well, it's a whole other world. This

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Speaker 4: is the other part.

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Speaker 1: Is just like the fragmentation of media and how XCUC

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01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: can be the biggest dreamer in the world and like

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: many many millions of people have never heard of him,

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,839
Speaker 1: and he can command this type of money. So anyway,

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01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating development for a lot of reasons, and

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Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on and to see whether

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Speaker 1: pick is able to you know, put any sort of

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01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: challenge up to Twitch I'm sure other creators will be

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01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: looking very carefully at what happens here with XCUC getting

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Speaker 1: this many millions of.

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Speaker 3: Dollars Chrystal, what you take a look at?

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Speaker 4: Last week?

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01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity hosted California Governor Gavin Newsom for a lengthy debate.

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Speaker 4: And look, not a big fan of.

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01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 1: Either one of these guys, but this was far more

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: productive than ninety nine percent of cable news. Both functioned

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 1: as respectful and effective spokespeople for their partisan teams. Here's

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: one of Newsom's strong permoments, take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Honest way to be the first larger economy in the world.

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Speaker 3: What are you arguing for Mississippi's economic policy? Is that?

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 7: I mean literally, that's what you're asking me.

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 9: If I want a great if I want X, the

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 9: Tensis policy, I mean it was.

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 4: A debacle, you know, economic growth.

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Speaker 10: Seventy one percent the gd there in America are blue counties.

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 10: I would take it there one percent of the GDP

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 10: in America, popular loop studies, progressive policies, Okay, that are

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01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 10: paying high taxes.

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01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 8: And the country or seven of the top ten dependent state.

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Speaker 10: Let's say you're right, Let's say you know we're subsidizing

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01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 10: your states, not because of your policy in New York,

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01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 10: You're not subsidizing anything for your philosophy.

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01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 4: I'm getting the.

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01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 9: Hell out of New York though, Mississippi, Alabama. I'm all

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 9: for it over over New York or California.

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 7: I love Missus. I mean, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Look, it just not personal.

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01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: Well done there from the governor, But the context for

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: why Newsom is doing this interview and everything he can

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01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: to grab the spotlight.

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01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 4: Is actually extremely dark.

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01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: You might have noticed the California governor has been going

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01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: on his way to cert himself on the national stage.

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01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: In particular, he's made a point of fomenting a big

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: national rivalry with Florida governor and twenty twenty four contender

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis. In the run up to the midterms, Newsom

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: spent some his campaign war chest running ads in red states.

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01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: He targeted Florida in particular, where he went after DeSantis

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: laws on abortion, on voting rights, and on book banning.

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: In recent weeks, Newsom and DeSantis have returned to this

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: feud after DeSantis pulled one of a stunts flying migrants

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01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 1: to Sacramento, California. In response, Newsom threatened his rival with

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01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: kidnapping charges and called him a quote small pathetic man.

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01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: Pretty clear what's going on here. With all the positioning

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: and media seeking. Newsom is trying to create a national

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01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: fight between a man arondasantis trying to be the future

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party and himself a man who clearly

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: desires to be the future of the Democratic Party. It

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Speaker 1: is the proxy fight that Newsom is allowed to wage

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Speaker 1: as he reviews the actuarial tables and watches Biden decline.

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01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 4: Basically, Newsom is.

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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: Circling Biden like a vulture, ready to swoop in the

1523
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: moment that there is an opportunity. He's trying to grab

1524
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: the lead in the shadow primary of candidates, ready to

1525
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: pounce if Biden dies or is otherwise incapacitated. Like I said,

1526
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: it's really dark. Hannity is clearly aware of this subtext.

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01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: So in his debate, the Fox News host press Newsom

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 1: on his own presentdential ambitions.

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01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 4: Here's how that exchange went.

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Speaker 9: I don't think Joe Biden is mentally physically capable of

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 9: being the President of the United States. Hang on, I

1532
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 9: suspect if I took your phone and I took a

1533
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 9: look at it, not that I believe in privacy.

1534
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 10: I would never do that. I would bet on a

1535
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,799
Speaker 10: daily basis that there.

1536
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 9: Are people urging you to run for president and primary him.

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 10: Am I wrong in my assumption? Well, my phone's been

1538
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 10: lighting up. How well he did with the UK Prime Minister?

1539
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 10: My phone lit up? And how he's not like that's

1540
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 10: a nice Doc McCarthy on the debts, your phone light on?

1541
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 10: The phone lights up with Republican friends saying, you know what,

1542
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 10: despite all of the rhetoric, these bipartisan bills he keeps

1543
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 10: passing on infrastructure and the Chips and Science Act, the

1544
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 10: bipartisan work he did on gun legislation reform and around

1545
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 10: the debt ceiling make me feel maybe he's done a

1546
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 10: little bit better job.

1547
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 9: Than So that wasn't my question. Are does your phone

1548
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 9: light up with Gavin? You need to get in this primary.

1549
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 9: He's not able to run. He's not up to the job.

1550
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 10: Look, everybody has their quiet chatter and everybody's out there

1551
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 10: rooting for America. I'm rooting for our president. I have

1552
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,959
Speaker 10: great confidence in his auto shop.

1553
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: Newsome as a slick one and he seems to know it,

1554
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: insisting his phone is lighting up with praise and admiration

1555
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: for the president. Okay, sure, dude, we can all see

1556
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: the game that you're playing, play acting unfailing loyalty to

1557
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: dear leader while privately licking your chops and praying for

1558
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: the grim Reaper. It is quite something behold this level

1559
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: of brazenly mucky Velli imposturing, and it's as cynical as

1560
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: it is ultimately cowardly. I personally cannot stand this type

1561
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: of slimy gameplaying politician. If you think Biden is too

1562
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: old to do the job, come out and say it.

1563
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: If you think you'd be a better president, which clearly

1564
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: you do, tell us why get specific, actually get in

1565
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: the arena rather than pretending that you're the loyal soldier

1566
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: while you scheme and plot behind the scenes. Now we've

1567
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: made a lot of fun here of Ron Sandez, Nikki

1568
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: Haale and all all the rass were being too afraid

1569
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: to really go after Trump, bending the need to him

1570
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: on his indictments and completely indefensible conduct kicking forwards not

1571
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: sideways or whatever nicky Haley is doing.

1572
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 4: But hey, at least they.

1573
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: Got the stones to actually run in the primary against Trump.

1574
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: Newsom is too afraid of risking his good standing with

1575
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: the establishment powers that be to actually do what he

1576
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: desperately clearly wants to do and actually jump in the race.

1577
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: DeSantis started selling shirts mocking Newsom that read, stop pussy

1578
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: footing around, and you gotta say the man has a point.

1579
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: It's got to be killing Newsom and pen Gretchen Whitmer

1580
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other ladder climbing Democratic politicians.

1581
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 4: They can smell the blood in the water.

1582
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: Biden's terrible approval numbers his feeble public persona the overwhelming

1583
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: majority of Democratic voters crying out for alternatives. They seek

1584
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: the weakness and his pulling even against two contenders that

1585
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 1: they all consider to be un serious gad flies. They

1586
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: see the historic blunder Biden made by trying to put

1587
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: South Carolina first in the process, pissing off Iowa and

1588
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: New Hampshire and all but guaranteeing two early state losses.

1589
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: But Newsom and all the rest they cannot escape the

1590
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: prison that is entirely of their own making. These are

1591
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: people who built brands and careers by playing for the

1592
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: establishment team and winning plottits from the corporate media and

1593
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 1: Democratic Party elites and their media allies have fully committed

1594
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: themselves to a democracy free coronation this year. The minute

1595
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: you dissent from that core commitment to a Biden anointment,

1596
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,440
Speaker 1: you will be as dead to them as Marian Williamson

1597
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: and RFK Junior. So the best that these people can

1598
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,480
Speaker 1: do is to thrust themselves into the limelne and secretly

1599
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: harbor their morbid fantasies about the commander in chief.

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 4: Frankly, it's pretty gross.

1601
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: And for all his silver talgue of skill, Newsom may

1602
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: find that ultimately voters are instinctively repulsed by a serpentine

1603
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: maneuvering his intense lust for the crowd, ironically serving as

1604
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: the biggest impediment to.

1605
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,839
Speaker 4: The title that he really seeks.

1606
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: Newsom might think he's being quite clever here, but his

1607
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: plotting is naked for everyone to see.

1608
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: And I enjoy the ex change with Nasimon And if you.

1609
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: Want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a

1610
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 2: premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com.

1611
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 4: All right, sorry, were you're looking at?

1612
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 7: Well.

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01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: Something bewildering about our culture war today is how much

1614
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: of it is a mix of old and new.

1615
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 3: When I was growing up in the nineties. It is

1616
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 3: actually pretty simple.

1617
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: It was gay marriage, guns and abortion. Now, obviously, the

1618
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 2: Supreme Court end of the gay marriage to eight in

1619
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, but guns and abortion are still with us.

1620
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: The crazy thing, though, in twenty twenty three, is that

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 2: the issues of guns and abortion, they didn't go away,

1622
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 2: but we still have had new entrance to the discourse,

1623
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: mostly transgenderism, rights, racial identity, politics, authoritarian political correctness. The

1624
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: political valance of each of these topics is actually fascinating.

1625
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 2: Many liberals rightfully point out that they mostly won the

1626
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: original cultural wars of the seventies through the nineties. As

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01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 2: evidenced by our most recent midterm elections, the vast majority

1628
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: of Americans are pro choice. The majority of Americans, including Republicans,

1629
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: have no issue with gay marriage. The public has basically

1630
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 2: remained the same, if not slightly more liberal in favor

1631
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: of gun control. On the new fights, though, it's a

1632
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 2: very different question, and it highlights what I have long

1633
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: identified as the new culture War, a new strain of

1634
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: conservatism I believe is untapped, largely unrepresented in the Republican

1635
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: elected base. I laid it out a few years back

1636
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 2: on the Joe Rogan podcast borrowing Matthew Walter's term barstool conservatism,

1637
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: It's a very simple concept. A new strain of people

1638
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 2: who call themselves or feel right wing, are fairly liberal

1639
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 2: on gay marriage and abortion, but are resolutely opposed to transgenderism,

1640
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 2: to racial identity politics, and are pretty libertarian whenever it

1641
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: does come to guns. The new strain of conservative is

1642
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 2: largely secular and is probably best described as socially libertarian

1643
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: combined with a deep hostility to liberal political correctness. The

1644
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: name barstool conservative is derived from Dave Portnoy, the founder

1645
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: of Barstool, but it represents just a male audience largely

1646
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 2: that gravitates towards his content and those like him in

1647
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: our political zeitgeist. Laying this all out because its important

1648
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: to the chart, I'm about to show you, how do

1649
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 2: you interpret it? New data released by Gallup shocked a

1650
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: lot of liberals. It shows in twenty twenty three, Americans

1651
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 2: find themselves more socially conservative than ever before. Thirty eight

1652
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: percent of Americans, for the first time in years, say

1653
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: they are quote very conservative or conservative on social issues,

1654
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: five percent more than in twenty twenty two, eight percent

1655
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 2: more than twenty twenty one Meanwhile, a corresponding drop in

1656
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 2: socially liberal has occurred. Those who identify as very liberal

1657
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: or even liberal on social issues has dropped in twenty

1658
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: twenty one from thirty four percent to twenty nine percent.

1659
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: The important thing to understand here is that it's not

1660
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 2: Republicans getting more socially conservative. It is actually an overall

1661
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: swing amongst every single political and demographic subgroup, from men

1662
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: to women to every racial identity. Those that have gotten

1663
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: the most conservative, however, are very interesting. It's older millennials

1664
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 2: and Gen X, those who are aged between thirty and

1665
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 2: sixty four, who identify as socially conservative now by double

1666
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 2: digit margins more than they previously did.

1667
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 3: The question is important, what the hell does that mean?

1668
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: Because in the very same poll, Americans, by a seventy

1669
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 2: one percent margin, as I said, they support gay marriage.

1670
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: A large majority of Americans say they identify as pro choice.

1671
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 2: So how can it be possible that Americans find themselves

1672
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: more socially conservative ever while also being more liberal than

1673
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 2: ever on abortion or gay marriage? And the answer, as

1674
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 2: I said, is that social conservative today now is a

1675
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: very different meaning to a lot of people.

1676
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 3: Than in the nineteen nineties.

1677
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 2: It has to do with the emerging fights about gender

1678
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: and about race than does have anything to do written

1679
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 2: in the Bible. Church membership in the US is actually

1680
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 2: at an all time low. More importantly, the trend is

1681
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: clear even those who grew up religious are not attending

1682
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: religious institutions anymore. Only twenty percent of Americans attend a

1683
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: religious service weekly. The vast majority of Americans say they

1684
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 2: only attend seldom or never, with numbering at a full

1685
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 2: one third of the entire public who don't attend at all.

1686
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: US Christian identification is an all time low. US non

1687
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: religious identification is only a full twenty percent. We are

1688
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 2: still a more secular country right now than ever before,

1689
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: and it happened incredibly rapidly. My biggest problem with our

1690
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 2: current culture war is how captured that I find most

1691
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: organizations and institutions who are actually engaged deeply in it

1692
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: by the people whose actually beliefs are deeply unpopular. For example,

1693
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: if you're like me and transgender ideology for targeted towards

1694
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: children drives you crazy, how often do you find yourself

1695
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 2: agreeing with someone who is talking about it, only to

1696
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: then discover that in reality they're a religious zealot who

1697
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: you completely disagree with on almost all other fundamental issues,

1698
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: or maybe you're sympathetic to adult trans rise. You think

1699
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: the discussion around the issue is a moral panic, and

1700
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 2: then you find someone engaged in the fight who insists

1701
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: it is moral and righteous for a naked drag performer

1702
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: to shake their genitals in a child's face. To me,

1703
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: the most interesting thing about all the data is how

1704
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 2: clear the recent push, mostly by the college educated elite,

1705
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: to police speech around gender and race while pushing their

1706
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: views on it from all of our higher institutions is

1707
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: very clearly backfiring. Americans on old culture war issues are

1708
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: more liberal than ever, but their embrace of the socially

1709
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 2: conservative life shows that they find our current moment far

1710
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 2: too liberal for their liking. So what to do with

1711
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 2: this data? For me, it's actually a roadmap to settlement

1712
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: and a very happy medium. Whichever side wants to emphasize

1713
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: individual liberty for adults will win. That is why Democrats

1714
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: win the abortion message. Secular Americans in particular are repulsed

1715
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: at having their behavior policed largely by a religious ideology

1716
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: that they don't agree with.

1717
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 3: It is also why cultural.

1718
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 2: Leftists are increasingly losing the broader public. The new culture

1719
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: War relies mostly on authoritarian control speech, whether it be

1720
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: abound race or gender, and it relies on that control

1721
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: and propaganda from the commanding heights of cultural power. The

1722
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: more people silently will get fed up if someone does

1723
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 2: not give soon, we are going to be truly doomed, though.

1724
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 3: Because we will have a seesaw oft power.

1725
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 2: Republicans could win on temporarily on a popular issue, but

1726
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: then they'll enact unpopular legislation, and then the Democrats will

1727
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 2: do the exact same thing. And the longer that that

1728
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: goes on, the more split that we all become. And

1729
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: maybe it's actually designed that way from the very beginning.

1730
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm curious what you think.

1731
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: Of the day, and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now is Ryan Clancy. He is the chief

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Speaker 2: strategist of No Labels Group. Brian, it's great to see you, thanks.

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Speaker 3: For joining us, Thanks for having me all right.

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Speaker 2: Ryan, So why don't we just get to the specifics here?

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Speaker 2: What are your group's plans for the twenty twenty four election?

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Speaker 2: Lots of consternation around it, so get specific with us.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. So we've been working for over a year to

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Speaker 7: get bat allin exos in states across the country to

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Speaker 7: create the opening to nominate a unity ticket potentially next year.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of concern from the Democratic side that

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Speaker 1: your group, if you run a third party candidate, could

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Speaker 1: serve as a spoiler. The idea being here that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump supporters are largely locked in that it's the Biden

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Speaker 1: pro Biden anti Trump coalition that could potentially be split

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Speaker 1: by your effort. Now, your Democratic co chair, doctor Ben

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Speaker 1: and Chavis recently addressed this. He said No Labels is

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Speaker 1: not and will not be a spoiler in favor of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, going on to say, if we find the

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Speaker 1: polls are changed and Joe Biden is way way out ahead,

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Speaker 1: then No Labels will stand down. So can you explain

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Speaker 1: that because that was a little confusing to me because

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Speaker 1: it seems to me like the spoiler potential would be

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Speaker 1: greater if the polls are closer versus if the polls

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Speaker 1: are far apart.

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Speaker 7: Sure. So, from the beginning, there's been two bars that

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Speaker 7: we have to clear to nominate a ticket. One is

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Speaker 7: the two major party nominees need to be considered bad

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Speaker 7: enough in the view of the public, and a potential

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Speaker 7: alternative ticket needs to be considered good enough that it

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Speaker 7: could win outright in the electoral college. Obviously, if Biden

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Speaker 7: were holding a big lead, that would probably close off

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Speaker 7: the path for an independent ticket. And this is where

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Speaker 7: a lot of what we've done has been so mischaracterized.

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Speaker 7: You see comparisons to Jill Stein or Nator or something

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Speaker 7: like that. We will never nominate a ticket like that.

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Speaker 7: Nobody wants to fuel a protei candidacy.

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Speaker 2: So if it's not a protest candidacy, let's go and

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Speaker 2: put this up there on screen, guys. Please New York

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Speaker 2: Times tearsheet the alarm by Democrats that we have seen

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Speaker 2: Joe Manchin being held up as a potential at the

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Speaker 2: top of the list here for a ticket. Why do

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Speaker 2: you see this as as you called it, a unity ticket.

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Speaker 2: Why is the country crying out for a Joe Mansion

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Speaker 2: presidency if you will or a like minded politician.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I mean, I don't know that they're crying out

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Speaker 7: for Mansion or anybody else. What I know they're crying

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Speaker 7: out for in which you both know they're crying out

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Speaker 7: for is something different than what they're almost certainly going

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Speaker 7: to get. So you've all seen the polls. Two thirds

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Speaker 7: or more people do not want to rematch the twenty

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Speaker 7: twenty election, and yet our system has absolutely no way

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Speaker 7: to adjust to that. So we're in this position now

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Speaker 7: where the major forces into both parties are basically saying,

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Speaker 7: at two thirds of the country, tough luck. You're you're

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Speaker 7: gonna have this election even if you don't like it

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Speaker 7: in the and in the end, we don't even care

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Speaker 7: if you like our candidate as long as you hate

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Speaker 7: the candidate on the other side. More we know you'll

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Speaker 7: come home to us, And we just feel like the

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Speaker 7: country can do a lot better than that.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, we certainly do agree with that. However,

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Speaker 1: the specifics really matter because a lot of the people

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Speaker 1: that are frustrated with Joe Biden, for example, they are

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Speaker 1: more of the Cornell West or Mary and Williamson or

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Speaker 1: Jill Stein view where they're disappointed that Biden hasn't done

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Speaker 1: war on climate. They're disappointed that Biden has broken his

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Speaker 1: promises with regard to the Proact or regard to the

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Speaker 1: minimum wage. They would like for him to have moved

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Speaker 1: further to the left on a variety of issues. So

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Speaker 1: can you get specific about what your complaints specifically with

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden are and how your theoretical candidate would reflect

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Speaker 1: a different policy valance than what the Biden administration, which

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Speaker 1: I view is very centrist and very moderate, which is

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Speaker 1: you guys's brand what they've put forward.

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Speaker 7: So this is something that we've been very clear about

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Speaker 7: since the beginning, which is we are not doing this

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Speaker 7: because of subjective judgment about how good or bad Biden

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Speaker 7: is or a judgment about Trump. What we're doing is

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Speaker 7: something that nobody else in the political system seems to

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Speaker 7: be doing, which is actually just responding to what the

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Speaker 7: public clearly wants. Now. They have obviously different reasons for

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Speaker 7: not liking Trump right now or not liking Biden, but

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Speaker 7: the one thing we can anchor in is that they

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Speaker 7: want a better choice and in our view, having the

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Speaker 7: ballot and in July we're actually going to be putting

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Speaker 7: out some ideas. What that's going to finally do for

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Speaker 7: the first time in a long time is there's this

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Speaker 7: huge common sense majority in this country that gets ignored

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Speaker 7: that both parties don't feel like they have to be

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Speaker 7: accountable to this is actually going to force them to

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Speaker 7: be accountable to them. And if in the end they

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Speaker 7: put forward candidates or platforms that make it so there's

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Speaker 7: no room for a No Label's ticket because they're appealing

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Speaker 7: to the vast majority. Great, We'll stand down and double

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Speaker 7: down on the work we've been doing in Congress for

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Speaker 7: over a decade.

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Speaker 2: So, Ryan, something I'm interested in is why not any

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Speaker 2: of the current people in the field, as Chryssel mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Cornell West, Mariyan Williamson, RFK Junior. He's mounting a very

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Speaker 2: serious threat right now to the Biden White House, enough

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Speaker 2: so that they've gotten the same Times coverage that you

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Speaker 2: guys have over there. So why not back somebody who

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Speaker 2: is in the race and is actually primary Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: actively as we speak.

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Speaker 7: Because we're not working to undermine Biden. We're not working

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Speaker 7: to intervene in the Republican primary. That's the problem. No

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Speaker 7: Label's ability to influence either party primary is very limited.

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Speaker 7: As you know, turn up there is pretty narrow. It's

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Speaker 7: often controlled by a lot of party officials. In the States,

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Speaker 7: we're just going to buy bypass the primary is entirely

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Speaker 7: and here's why that's so important and I know we

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Speaker 7: haven't talked about issues much, but all these issues that

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Speaker 7: we know the public wants solved, and we even know

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Speaker 7: that outlines of what that could look like. You look

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Speaker 7: at issues like immigration or education, we know why those

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Speaker 7: issues can't be solved. It's because people on both sides,

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Speaker 7: the leaders in both parties, are deathly afraid of crossing

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Speaker 7: their primary and the interest groups that have the most

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Speaker 7: power in the primaries. So if you start to look

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Speaker 7: at issues and you wonder, why can't we have sensible

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Speaker 7: gun safety legislation even though eighty percent of the country

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Speaker 7: wants it, it's because of the influence in the gun

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Speaker 7: lobby on the right. Why can't we have school choice,

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Speaker 7: Why do we force kids into failing schools year after year?

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Speaker 7: It's because of the influence of the teachers' unions on

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Speaker 7: the left.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so let's talk a little bit more policy specifics,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's important. I mean, first of all,

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Speaker 1: public education, traditional public education, public schools, is very broadly

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Speaker 1: supported by the public. So I would dispute the fact

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Speaker 1: that that's some sort of common sense majority and that

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Speaker 1: that's not you know that that's entirely driven by union support.

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Speaker 1: But put guys up on the screen G four, which

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Speaker 1: shows the views of Americans with regard to taxation. So

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Speaker 1: you have huge majorities, I'm talking eighty three percent of

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Speaker 1: Americans who say corporations they're worried corporations don't pay their

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Speaker 1: fair share of taxes. Similar, vast majorities eighty two percent

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Speaker 1: say that they're concerned the wealthy do not pay their

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Speaker 1: fair share of taxes. So is taxing the wealthy part

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Speaker 1: of your mainstream agenda given that it has eighty percent

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Speaker 1: plus support among the American people, both Republicans and Democrats.

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Speaker 7: So we've got a huge section on the budget, which

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Speaker 7: of course is completely out of control right now. And

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Speaker 7: in our policy agenda that we're putting out shortly after

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Speaker 7: July fourth, we make very clear that for any progress

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Speaker 7: to be made on the budget, everything has to be

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Speaker 7: on the table, and that includes taxes and that includes spending.

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Speaker 7: There is no way to cut your way out of this,

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Speaker 7: to tax your way out of this. Both parties are

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Speaker 7: going to have to come to the table and give

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Speaker 7: things that they haven't wanted to give up until now,

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Speaker 7: or we're just going to keep having these deficits which

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Speaker 7: are completely unsustainable.

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Speaker 1: So your Party would commit to increasing taxes is on

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Speaker 1: the wealthy, because there have been other instances where No

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Speaker 1: Labels has teamed up with Kerson Cinema to make sure,

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Speaker 1: for example, the carried interest loophole doesn't get closed, to

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Speaker 1: make sure that pharmaceutical companies don't have to negotiate with

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Speaker 1: the federal government in terms.

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Speaker 4: Of prescription drug prices.

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Speaker 1: So do you all commit to the idea, based on

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Speaker 1: this common sense majority of eighty three percent, that the

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Speaker 1: wealthy should pay more in taxes?

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Speaker 7: Well, wait, christ I want to correct the record there.

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Speaker 7: So we never teamed up with Kirston Cinema to knock

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Speaker 7: down the carried interest loophole or get rid of prescription

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Speaker 7: drug negotiations. In fact, one of the things you'll see

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Speaker 7: again in our agenda coming out in July is we

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Speaker 7: call for more prescription drug negotiations because that's what the

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Speaker 7: public told us they wanted in this megapol we did

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Speaker 7: of twenty six thousand people. I think what you're referring

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Speaker 7: to with Senator Cinema, if you go back to a

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Speaker 7: couple of years, Yes, No Labels did not support the

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Speaker 7: partisan passage of the full Build Back Bendor Bill in

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Speaker 7: the same way, we didn't worth the passage of the

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Speaker 7: Trump tax cuts.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about that, because the individual

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Speaker 1: elements of the Build Back Better Bill were extremely popular,

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Speaker 1: including closing the carried interest loophole, including affordable childcare, including

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Speaker 1: universal pre K. Each of these things was supported by

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Speaker 1: an overwhelming majority of Americans, So it very much seemed

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Speaker 1: like there was a common sense majority in favor of

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Speaker 1: each of those elements.

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Speaker 4: So then why would you oppose that?

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Speaker 7: Well, there's two things. First of all, it's very easy

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Speaker 7: to pull individual ideas in isolation. So if you ask people,

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Speaker 7: do you want universal childcare? Sure sounds good. Do you

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Speaker 7: want prescription drug pricing? Sure sounds good? Do you want

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Speaker 7: climate subsidies? Sure sounds good. The problem is if you

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Speaker 7: look at those things in their totality and what that

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Speaker 7: would cost, then you can also ask the public, how

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Speaker 7: do you feel about our fiscal situation? Do you think

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Speaker 7: Washington needs to be doing less spending? Do you think

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Speaker 7: they need to be bringing our budget under control? And

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Speaker 7: they'll tell you yes, that's a huge priority for them.

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Speaker 7: So it's not something you can sort of look at

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Speaker 7: in isolation. Yeah, they like some of these ideas, But

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Speaker 7: when you pulled it all together. What you saw is

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Speaker 7: a five trillion dollar package that was going to be

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Speaker 7: passed with one party support. And it's the same reason

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Speaker 7: as I said, we didn't support the Trump tax cuts,

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Speaker 7: because when you do huge policy like that, it doesn't

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Speaker 7: last until two four years later the other party comes

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Speaker 7: in they try to undo it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's more it's a political case I understand

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Speaker 3: that you're making here.

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Speaker 2: So why do you think that your third party candidacy

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Speaker 2: would be able to solve that? Like, let's say, even

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Speaker 2: if you do win the presidency, you're still going to

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Speaker 2: have a heart parties in Congress, of which that you

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Speaker 2: best described as.

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Speaker 3: In why is this run?

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Speaker 2: It kind of the band aid that you think it

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Speaker 2: is to the major structural problems that you're laying out.

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Speaker 7: Because it all comes back to who do politicians think

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Speaker 7: they're accountable to? And the problem is is whether you're

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Speaker 7: talking about the press, whether you're talking about House or

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Speaker 7: Senate leaders, they only really care about what their primary

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Speaker 7: voters think. That's all. They worry about, the narrow slice

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Speaker 7: of voters who are going to put them over the

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Speaker 7: top in their elections. And then they get to the

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Speaker 7: general and they don't really have to worry about that anymore.

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Speaker 7: So here's how that manifests on an issue like immigration.

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Speaker 7: You look at our polling, eighty percent of people would

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Speaker 7: get behind a compromise that one made significant investments in

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Speaker 7: border security, but two provided a path to citizenship for

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Speaker 7: the dreamers. Why can't we have that? Well, here's why.

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Speaker 7: Because if you're in the Democratic Party today and you're

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Speaker 7: for any kind of border security, you get accused by

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Speaker 7: your base of wanting to put kids in cages. And

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Speaker 7: if you're a Republican who's for anything other than deporting everybody,

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Speaker 7: then well you're for amnesty. And that's why we can

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Speaker 7: never get anything done on these issues.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask let me ask you about because AOC

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Speaker 1: is not president and ilan oh and Bernie Sanders, they're

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Speaker 1: not president. Joe Biden as president, and he has maintained

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Speaker 1: actually a lot of the Trump immigration policies. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, Democrats have put forward legislation which does basically

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Speaker 1: what you suggest, pathway to citizenship, increase dollars for border security.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just confused, frankly, why Joe Biden isn't your guy. Look,

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Speaker 1: he's not my guy. I'm ideologically to the left of him.

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Speaker 1: I think he's failed on any number of promises to

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Speaker 1: the working class, but not only you know, put on immigration.

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Speaker 1: As I laid out, he passed an infrastructure bill with

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Speaker 1: bipartisan support. He passed the Chips Act with bipartisan support.

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Speaker 1: He passed the Inflation Reduction Act.

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Speaker 4: He got that through.

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Speaker 1: He was able to do the Packed Act to help

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Speaker 1: toxic burn pick victims from our men and women serving overseas.

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Speaker 1: So he's like fetishizes bipartisanships.

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Speaker 4: It's his whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So do you see him what is your specific events

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Speaker 1: with him? Number one and number two? Do you see

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Speaker 1: him as equally sort of extreme in your language as

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is?

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Speaker 7: No so, and we've our co chairs put out a

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Speaker 7: statement to this effect, Doctor Benchetas Joe Lieberman headline was

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump should never again be president. So we don't

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Speaker 7: have any illusions about an equivalency between two of them.

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Speaker 7: But again the crystal I come back to this. If

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Speaker 7: you look at where the public is at, why is

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Speaker 7: President Biden's approval rating is under thirty percent among independents.

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Speaker 7: It was over sixty when he was inaugurated, So obviously

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Speaker 7: something has happened between then and now, and in our

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Speaker 7: view when we look at our polling, some of that

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Speaker 7: is he probably hasn't governed as the unifier that the

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Speaker 7: public expected.

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Speaker 1: Well actually, actually, I mean when his approval ratings were

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Speaker 1: the highest we're at the beginning of his administration, when

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Speaker 1: he was doing the most and taking them you know,

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Speaker 1: with the stimulus at the beginning, dealing with the end

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Speaker 1: of the pandemic, you know, cutting checks to American citizens,

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Speaker 1: That's when.

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Speaker 4: His approval rating was the highest.

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Speaker 1: When he has you know, sort of taken a step

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Speaker 1: back and obsessed over bipartisanship and dougness Hea and not

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Speaker 1: done a whole lot, that's when his approval rating falls

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Speaker 1: off a cliff. So the idea that the move is

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Speaker 1: to the center, that there needs to be more like

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Speaker 1: the bipartisan infrastructure deal type of stuff, well, they already

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Speaker 1: did that.

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Speaker 4: It clearly didn't give Biden much of a bump in

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Speaker 4: the polls. So I would just dispute.

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Speaker 1: I think we have a very large difference of opinion

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Speaker 1: about the frustrations that the American people have with Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden in particular. But the other piece, you know, you've

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about, you know, the American people and

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Speaker 1: what they support and what they're looking for and who

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Speaker 1: politicians are responsive to. Your group reportedly has a lot

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Speaker 1: of very large donors. A number of billionaires including Harlan

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Speaker 1: Crowe have been reported and Steven Schwarzman have been reported

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Speaker 1: as giving big money to your group. But you all

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Speaker 1: want to close your donors so that people know what

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Speaker 1: interest you might have at stake and what they might

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Speaker 1: be signing up for if they do affiliate with your group.

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Speaker 1: So will you commit to revealing your donors so that

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Speaker 1: the American people can have transparency around what this third

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Speaker 1: party effort is about and who it is backed by.

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Speaker 7: So first Crystal, a lot of the donors that have

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Speaker 7: been reported that support no labels, they don't. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I really don't know where they're getting the NIMS from, including.

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Speaker 1: Well Harlan, I mean we can can you just confirm

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Speaker 1: or deny, you know, the two of them so that

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Speaker 1: we can have some more information, because again, this is

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Speaker 1: all based on what people are able to report out,

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Speaker 1: rather than it would clear up the record if you

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Speaker 1: just made all the donors public.

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Speaker 7: Now here's why we don't do that, and we never have.

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Speaker 7: So we've been around for thirteen years. We're not a

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Speaker 7: political party. We're a C four like AARP or legal

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Speaker 7: women voters, and they don't support their donors either. Because

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Speaker 7: the way this works today is a lot of the

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Speaker 7: people that are attacking us, they sort of get behind

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Speaker 7: the mantle of transparency and good government. They say, oh,

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Speaker 7: just you know, just reveal all your donors. Of course,

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Speaker 7: they don't reveal any of theirs. What they want to

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Speaker 7: do is go through a donor list and just attack

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Speaker 7: those people, all the people that support us on both sides,

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Speaker 7: and then try to intimidate them to leave no labels.

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Speaker 7: That's how the game works. We're not going to play it.

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Speaker 7: If in the end we nominate a ticket, that ticket

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Speaker 7: will have to disclose everything to the FEC, just as

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Speaker 7: any ticket would. So if you want to know what

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Speaker 7: does no labels stand for, I'd say look at two things.

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Speaker 7: One what we've done the last thirteen years, and two,

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Speaker 7: as I mentioned in July, will be out with common sense.

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Speaker 7: That's going to be our policy agenda, and I think

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Speaker 7: you'll see in there a broadly appealing agenda that has

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Speaker 7: nothing to do with pushing special interests, corporate interests. We

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Speaker 7: do not take corporate money, so we feel very good

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Speaker 7: about how we handle our donors.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ryan, Well, we appreciate you joining us, talking

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Speaker 2: to us little bit. Whenever it comes out in July,

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Speaker 2: make sure you send it our way. Maybe we'll have

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Speaker 2: a fun discussion again. I will say, though, I feel

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Speaker 2: like all of you should have to disclose your donors,

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Speaker 2: not just you but everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we could talk about that a little bit later. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, hope you enjoyed it with enjoy having

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Speaker 2: people there up on the big screen, having fun conversation

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Speaker 2: and all that.

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