WEBVTT - Shattered w/ Tamara Tunie 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.280 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.119 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.719 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:28.560 Done done, Yay? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.440 Another episode of That's Messed Up? An SVU podcast. I 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.680 am Liza Traeger and I am Kara Klank And every 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.000 week we bring you a recap of an episode of 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.000 Law and Order SVU. We bring you the true crime 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.120 it's based on, and a celebrity guest and wow, today's 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:50.000 is gonna knock your little socks off. You may have 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.160 remembered us posting a photo of us really excited about 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.920 a guest a couple of weeks ago on our Instagram. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.200 I know a lot of you have been like, where's 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.760 that episode? I think you can tell today's that. Today's 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:04.440 the day? Yeah, and time flies, because I'm also noticing 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.640 we're at like the one nineties in terms of episodes. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.320 I know, I know, what should we do for two hundred? 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.160 You guys DMA or like, yeah, what should we do? 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.440 Take our tops off? Like, I don't get I don't 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.640 know what to do. Two hundred is huge. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:22.400 We got to figure out somebody good for two hundred 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.119 for sure, or just something we do. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:27.000 Yeah, we can do. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.800 A retrospective favorite tech favorite. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.240 Do we do influencer stuff where we just get big 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:34.840 balloons that say two hundred? 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:40.039 Yeah those buy a pool thank you for two hundred? Yes, 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:40.920 would love it. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.040 Also, well, I love is for you guys to come 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.120 see us on the road. We are doing a little 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.560 spooky season tour this October. I know it's summer and 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.280 you're not even maybe thinking about fall plans, but get 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.680 it poping you guys. Uh, you want to have a 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.600 fun fall and I hope that we're a part of it. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.680 We are going to be in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, La, 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.120 San Francisco, and Portland, So grab those tickets. The links 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.560 are all at that's messed up live dot com, where 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:14.080 you can also scroll down to where it says Lisa's 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.640 website and that takes you to her link tree that 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.000 has her dates in San Diego and other roaddates that 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.480 she has coming up. The big one Toronto we got 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.639 you know, that's the Swift Weekend. We would love a 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.200 fun time at Toronto And it's actually where Karen and 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.519 I did our show. Yeah believe and you guys were 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:33.560 so fun. That was such a fun I can't wait. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:36.160 What it was it Craig's cookies. Oh, I can't wait. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.679 Oh my god, the cookies with the nibs. Yeah, I 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:40.760 should bring you some nibs. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:42.800 My kids just went to a piata party where it 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.880 was just filled with fucking nibs and they don't like them. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.120 How many pinnadas were there? Oh? 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.240 Well, they went to one where we when the third 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.399 pinata wheeled out, I go, we gotta go, we got 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:53.000 we can't. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.480 We can't do Lord of the Flies a third time. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.520 Like, it's just like the way they all swarm the 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.040 candy and some kids are just I mean, Oscar came 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.639 home with about I go, Jared, why would you bring 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.440 home this much candy? Like this bag is filled to 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.080 the brim and mostly with candy that he doesn't even like. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.600 No, your house is wild. It's like not a life 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:11.120 I live like. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.800 We'll get candy from you know, the road or whatever, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.679 and then mine will be done in a day, and 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.040 then I would go to your house months later and 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.440 it would just be still in a drawer. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.959 And I just don't I don't live like it was psychotic. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:25.160 It is weird. 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:27.360 Because like I have a psychotic one, but you just 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.920 have like buckets just around town and your home. I know, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.919 part of me is like that's theirs, even though what's 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.160 theirs is mine, but I'm like, that's their candy. But 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.040 also I do crave sweets, like almost every night, and 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.320 I usually just eat a couple of Scandinavian swimmers and 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:46.080 like move on. And sometimes I just totally forget there's 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.120 a candy bucket up there with like a bunch of it. 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:48.600 Is weird. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:53.400 I would say that I normally in my twenties and 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.520 even probably most of my thirties, I would candy could 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:57.480 not survive in my house. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.400 So I don't know what happened. There's been a shift. 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.280 I had a Snickers bar this past week, and like 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.760 that should go in a like if there's not a portal, 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:08.520 what are those things? 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.480 A time capsule? 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:12.600 Yeah, like when the aliens come down, we need to 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:13.880 show them Snickers immediately. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.760 It was so fucking good. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.880 I mean, we're just getting so high at my friend's 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.240 hotel Terrace, but and I was like, I need a 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:21.880 Snickers bar. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:27.520 I really hit every like every dream I had. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.320 But I think in a time cups would actually put 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.320 peanut eminem's if I'm being honest. 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.600 Oh, I'm a peanut butter eminem's. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.840 Sure, but that's not good enough for the capsule of 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.240 Reese's peanut butter cup would represent the peanut butter candy 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.040 community better in terms of aliens. 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.400 That's fact. That's the fact. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.960 But I will also say something controversial. I really like 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.720 the mini Reesis peanut butter cups. I like the chocolate 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.479 to peanut butter ratio of those better than a full 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:55.720 Reese's peanut butter cup. Also, no, I like how it's 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.440 like thinner on the top of those, like bigger like 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:59.560 the regular size ones. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.280 It's like a little cool. I mean, I yeah, that's 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.240 what I mean. Like just thinking about the candy is 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:04.960 driving me nuts. 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.560 I mean I do love breaking the top shell, like 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.440 breaking that little like lake of chocolate at the top. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.120 Yeah, like of a regular I do love it. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.160 I mean all Reeses candies, I mean the seasonal a 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.560 you're kidding, A Christmas tree, a pumpkin. I'm an egg Like, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.560 I'll do all I do, all the seasonal Reeses. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.480 But you know. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:30.200 Not, Yeah, Rosie's talking about Halloween. But speaking of gigs 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:30.480 that we. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:31.160 Have on the road. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.960 We're coming to San Diego. We love you in San Diego. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.719 A big story out of San Diego that a lot 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.239 of you have been sending us. And I know, listen, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.159 we're we're about to take our little August break where 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.679 I take my kids to camp and you know, we 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.400 we we fuck off for a couple of weeks. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.360 Well, but all our episodes are We're banked, baby, We're yeah, 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.520 you know, we're You're not taking a break. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:52.599 Yes, you're not getting a break in our content, but 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.760 we are deeply in the time machine. So yeah, at 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:57.359 this point, it will be a little bit later. But 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.200 people are sending us this article from People magazine of 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:05.280 a girl who's fiance proposed to her with like a 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.279 full day scavenger hunt that was SVU themed and he 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.040 got a cameo from iced Tea for it. Oho, that's like, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:14.839 that's not that ain't cheap. I think that's like five 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:18.240 hundred dollars is it? Oh my god, ic Tea, it's 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:23.240 not affordable. Wow, for a double check, But okay, I 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:26.960 just checked and it's six hundred plus is what it says. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.200 Yeah, yeah, he pulled out all the stops. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.720 It's an engagement you got you. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.919 There's like a quote where it's like to be loved 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.600 is to be known or to be understood or whatever. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.760 And that's what this shows, you know what I mean. 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.840 It's like, yes, he's really sweet when people give you 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.000 something that you're like, I just this is encompasses what 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.640 you're But also, this girl's name is Mattie Anderson. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:51.479 Maddie, are you listening to our podcast? 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:52.960 Are you coming to our show at the Mike Drop 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:54.279 at San Diego in October? 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.919 Like you're obsessed with SVU? 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.080 I hope she's a listener or if you know her, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.280 let her know about us, because we'd love to talk 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.880 to about her. Uh yeah, that would be a fun, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:08.440 guess sectually, a little fun little talk about random woman. Yeah, Like, oh, 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.760 there's end, because you know this could go wrong. We 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.800 have covered on this podcast a man who did have 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.920 his girlfriend fully kidnapped and you know, thought she was 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.400 gonna die. Yeah, so this is like I bet he 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.360 learned a little from that was to do Yeah. So 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:25.960 it was more like you're being engaged to help with 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:27.800 like a mission or something like that. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:28.920 That's kind of like you're. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.400 Being like you're a cop, so she you know, a 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.400 good Cop, one of the SVU cops. So she was 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.600 on a twelve It was a twelve hour excursion. All 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.520 the clues were given out by my friends and family. Well, no, 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.760 the first primate driver and an suv. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.880 Well, the first clue letter to a coffee shop where 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.480 all her best friends were there. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.960 I love that. You have to know, you have to know. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.760 That's like like that been dating for ten years. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:57.960 Yeah, I mean you gotta. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:07:58.280 Yeah. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.560 I hope you've figured it out by now what she 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.560 wants Jesus. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.360 Also, again this is old, but I don't know if 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.040 anyone saw the deadline article came out for the movie 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:17.040 I'm in, So that was we saw a surprise deadline. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:18.080 You know, I didn't even. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.280 Know what was happening. And so it's all the fun 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.240 actors that are in it. And then my name is 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.000 in the article, which is thrilling. But I was talking 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.280 to her friend because so I sent my mom obviously 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.240 the deadline and then she called me and I was 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.360 just like I can't talk right now. That's why I 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.800 texted it, you know what I mean, like, I'll call 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.199 you later by and then I'm complaining to a friend, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.080 being like god, parents are so annoying, Like I texted 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.480 her why would she call me? And then my friend 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.200 was like, I think it's because it's a movie announcement 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.600 that's like kind of exciting. 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.280 And I was like, oh yeah, I forgot. 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.160 And she's trying to congratulate you and share in your 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.720 excitement in a weird way. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.520 I was like, oh god, my mom is so annoying. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:00.440 And I was like, oh, yeah, no, that's true. It's true, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.440 it's true. Oh my god, I did give her some news. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.960 I don't know. I have the fever. I have a fever. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.920 Thank god. We have like the pod and stand up 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.960 and all these things. Like I don't know how actors 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.600 do it, Like you just get off a set and 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.679 then you sit down and have nothing to do, like yeah, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.920 it's like because it is so exciting, and then I 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:24.280 want more, Yeah, I want ye on more sets. It's 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.040 kind of like what Joan Rivers used to say about comedy, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.160 like the worst thing is like the is having an 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.360 empty calendar. You know, like you are a multi hyphen it, 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.080 so you do a lot of different things, but if 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.520 you're just focused on one thing, where like if nothing's coming, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:39.800 you're just sitting there, it's like. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.800 Yeah, but it was really fun and cool and first 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:46.920 time directors that actually live in my neighborhood, so I 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.000 might might hang out. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.880 And sorry, say what it's called again? Oh damned if 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.320 you do. Damned if you do, we will all be 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.959 flooding the theaters as a collective podcast. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.760 And it's you know, it's an indie. 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.400 We'll see when and how things like work. But there's 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.240 so many good actors in it. 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.400 That yeah, and I bet it'll have like a theatrical 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.240 and then go to streaming and everyone can watch them 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.320 streaming and yeah something, yeah, but you know how. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.439 For Nope by Kate. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.120 I went to the premiere I don't know if you remember, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.520 and they were like, you're not on the list, and 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.360 I'd be like, please, I swear I'm in the movie, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:23.280 Like please let me in. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:24.199 I have a line. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.720 And they were like, but you can't go to the party, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.480 and I'm like, okay, just let me in. But this, 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.280 like in the official offer it said you have a 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.680 plus one and you can go to the premiere house 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:40.400 like okay, thank you, Okay, wonderful, wonderful. I just really 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.679 quickly New Jersey Housewives. I know a lot of you 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.240 don't even listen, but listen. New Jersey Housewives has been 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.720 on for over a decade and it just kind of ended, 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.000 like they haven't said that it's not going to come back, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:56.160 but the current season just ended in a wild, sort 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:01.079 of weird last supper where a big bomb droll. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.040 It's funny because the Internet is pissed because Andy's like, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:07.320 don't worry the episode, well you'll you won't need a reunion, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:07.840 and it's. 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:08.640 Like, yeah, we do. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.440 We still yeah, fuck, I could have used the reunion. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.720 But it's because there's no resolution. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:15.720 Like the whole point of the show is conflict, resolute 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.280 and then resolution, and I just don't see these ladies 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:19.160 that were having a resolution. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:19.679 But I didn't. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.120 I can't do You can't do conflict resolution with Teresa Judaye. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.400 She's simply too stupid. She literally just sits there when 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.480 she doesn't like something you're saying and just goes horror horror, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.160 horror horror, like over and over again, like she can't 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.959 argue like a smart person, and so how could she 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:36.480 resolve conflict at all? 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:36.840 You know? 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.800 But so basically, I love Marge. I love Margaret. I'm 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.760 a march I'm like a Marge apologist. Stan, there's anyway. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.800 She's a great housewife, She's in an amazing marriage. She 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.120 apologizes when she does something wrong and she brings it. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.600 I'm sorry. She pushed a man in the pool, so 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:56.480 she sent. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.200 A funeral arrangement to a party that somebody was having 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.840 for everybody to talk about her. She sent a funeral 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.800 arrangement and was like, sorry for your loss of dignity. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.839 I mean, it's she just does iconic housewife shit. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:12.160 So basically this whole season is like you. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.719 So Teresa married a lunatic named Louis, and Louis has 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.360 a lot of like dirt because he's a bad person, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.240 and so anytime the dirt comes up, Teresa's like, it's you, Marge, 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:26.120 I know it's you. You got subpoena, like we're gonna 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.280 take you to court. You met with his ex wife, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.760 you did this, you did this, And Marge just said 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.920 she is not throughout, you know, like she's held on 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:38.360 to it. And so they're at this table everything and 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:43.839 then like this girl that's infiltrated Teresa and Jen who 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.520 no one saw this coming, Like, how did you feel 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.960 when Jackie admitted it was her? So it's Jackie who 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.959 is Teresa's fred like she's been using Teresa whatever. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.280 I don't even know how to describe it. Can you 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.920 describe it? I'm doing really mad to describe it. Okay, 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:02.880 so to describe it. Jackie always hated Teresa. Then suddenly 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.040 this season when she becomes a friend of which is 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.880 a demotion on the Housewives, she's best friends with Teresa. Okay, like, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.360 so their friend and now and now it comes out 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.920 that she's the one who met with the ex and 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.360 is probably the one that's been providing her with all 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.040 this information pre their friendship. So Teresa's like, oh, I 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.760 forgive her though, because it was pre our friendship. But 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.319 she can't say, oh, maybe it wasn't Marge, she still 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:28.120 thinks it's March. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:29.439 Yeah, she still it's margin. 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.600 And then Melissa goes, oh, the sprinkle cookies we could 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:33.400 still talk about. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.959 But you're gonna forgive Jackie. You're gonna forgive this right now. 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:41.160 And even Jenna Aden was like, she's still processing. She's processing, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.760 like she's she's gonna figure this out like later, like 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.400 because I think it. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.040 Was like two so basically she was gonna get dinner. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.640 Marge goes, you're the one that met with the ex 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.880 to Jackie, and Jackie goes, Margaret, what are you talking about? 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.520 That's not true. She said that's not true like four times. 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.920 And then there was a moment where she just turned 0:13:57.920 --> 0:13:58.840 in Teresa and she goes. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.640 Well, no, Melissa goes, I don't know, Maybe you should 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.560 tell the truth. Maybe there's the proof versus there's'sibly proof. Yeah, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:09.120 And then Dolores looked beautiful. I mean, I just want 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.880 those bangs. Her curtain bangs are everything I dream of, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:17.360 Like I've never envied Laura. It's like gorgeous, Yeah, gorgeous, stunning. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.240 I don't know why she dates all these loser men 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.680 that will not commit to her. I would like give 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.160 my whole life up for Dolores. Oh my god. When 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.520 Dolores swore at fucking when she. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.600 Yelled at Marge, I was like, this is oh my 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.720 My heart was in my chest. I was like, I've 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.360 never been terrified and turned on like that before. But 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.400 so then Jackie you could see her thinking about it. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.040 It's like, fuck do I tell that? She's like, there's 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.560 gonna be proof, and then she goes, I did it. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:42.960 I met with her. I met with her. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.720 I like I could not believe it, and then Jackie, 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.960 it's like you're a fool, loyal to no one, like 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.200 all of a sudden. And so then she's walking alone 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.640 and then they go she needs a diaper because I'm scared. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.440 I'm sure she's scared shitless, but she's walking and then 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.720 she sees the women are standing chatting, and then she 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.720 starts walking backwards to avoid them, Like what a disgusting end, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:06.240 Like I don't even know how her husband's going to 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.400 be with her, Like I like humiliating. 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.760 I mean, I didn't mind Jackie when she first first 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:13.080 came on. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.160 I was like, Okay, she's too desperate. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.080 Yeah, but I didn't know that because at first she 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.080 acted like she was a little bit she's like a 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:20.840 former lawyer. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:21.560 She writes. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.320 She's like, you know, she acted like she was like 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.200 a little bit smarter than all of them that she 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.440 didn't really like she would she would kind of call 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.000 Teresa out and be like, well, how can you say 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.840 that when your husband's in jail? You know, Like I 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.240 liked her little call outs at the beginning her early seasons, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.520 and then you could tell when she got that emotion 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.440 that she was like, fuck, I need to be on 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.680 this show. I want to be on this show, and 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.000 being at odds with Teresa is not doing it for me. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.520 So I'm just gonna be friends with her. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.160 Started this friendship, but couldn't erase all the shit she 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.160 did before they became friends, and it came out at 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:50.600 the end. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.960 I mean, she lied for so long and then and 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:55.560 then Teresa goes and I subpoenaed you, and then Margie goes, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:16:00.560 You subpoenaed the wrong bitch. Like it was. It was 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:05.720 a cool dinner. We're also forgetting. I mean, Danielle, like you, Danielle. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.040 It sucks when jen Aiden wins a fight because I 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.080 think I'm a despicable human. But like Danielle, I'm sorry, 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.400 you can't resort to physical violence or you lose. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.840 Yeah, but also, you brought up the husbands. You brought 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.280 up her husband, and then she brought up you, and 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.840 then she came back at you. But think about the husband, 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.120 and then it was like, don't talk about my husband's 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:21.920 Like no, you brought. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.520 Up the husbands. You got you open the door to that, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:24.800 and then you got violin. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.240 I like don't even know if we've made sense at 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.200 all to anybody, But it was a good episode and 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.880 a kind of icon and then they did montages and 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:35.800 black and white, like if. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.760 You like and you like, and you like Big Anne, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.440 who I've referenced before for Murder, then you might want 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.920 to just watch this episode as a standalone. It's kind 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.200 of like very Mafia Wives, Like they all show up 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.360 and wearing a shack in black, like it's a funeral. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.760 It's like their final supper to all hash out their issues, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.320 and nobody hashes out anything. So I wonder if it's 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.600 going to be a full recast or they'll keep like 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.840 Danielle and Dolores and Marge and build around them, like 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:03.640 who are they gonna? 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:04.479 I just wonder. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.040 But like I was watching Watch What Happens that came 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:10.200 on after it, and Danny Pellegrino was like, we need Teresa. 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.840 I've just known her for so long and asked Dolores 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.400 who would you bring back if you could bring back 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.280 to and she was like she was like Fessler, I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.440 love Teresa, of course I've known forever. 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.360 So those were the two she picked, And I was like, I. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.440 Think Teresa, I like Feslar, but Fessler leaving was nuts bad, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.399 so dumb I thought she'd Leaven come back or something. 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:29.800 No. 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:31.639 She was like I'm over this, but it's like, no, 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.359 this is the show, this is your job. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.960 you what do you think you're on like a like, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:38.280 I don't know, I'm like a TLC show. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.360 Those aren't even like, you know, wholesome anymore. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.119 But yeah, like it's it's just the end of an 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.520 era of like the the messiest of all the housewives. 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.800 They're always the ones that get like screaming matches. The 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.320 most physical violence against each other probably are the Jerseys, right, 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.000 would you say? 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.600 Yeah? Because Teresa like phys like shoved Andy as well, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:00.720 you know name Yeah, and the. 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.480 Ponytail, the guy getting thrown in the pool. I mean 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.800 there's been a lot of there's been a lot of hands. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.760 Oh, I mean the men fighting and that like therapy 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.359 thing when it was Joe Joe. Yeah, you're right, the 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:17.160 most physical violence is Jersey. Yeah, I think so if 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.600 you're into that kind of thing. But I don't know, 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.800 I don't know if they're gonna reak, I don't know. Oh, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.879 and this is coming tomorrow if you are in New York. 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.679 I'm doing a show at Union Hall called Show and 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.680 Tell at seven thirty, So if you'd like to come 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:33.240 to that. 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.520 That's some fun people. Wednesday eight twenty one. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.720 get those tickets. Although by the time this comes out 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.280 they might be sold out, but hope go check it. 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.440 Maybe they'll be stand by. Yeah, maybe we'll see what happens. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.760 It's like your Union halls always sell out. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.199 I love that place. I just well, you know, I 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.560 love New York. Let's not yeah, let's not get me 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.040 on this. Let's not get me going. Let's not get 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.320 me going. All right, we'll start the app. We'll start 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:01.760 the app. Yeah, let's get going. This up episode is wild. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:06.280 Okay. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.560 Today we are doing the episode Shattered from season eleven, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.359 episode twenty four. This baby came out in May of 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.840 twenty ten, which is the season finale of season eleven, 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:22.800 Stabler's penultimate season. So we open this episode on great 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:23.960 moments in child acting. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:25.959 It's two eight year olds. They're chatting as they get 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:26.400 off the bus. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.399 The girl's like that necklace is so neat, and he's like, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.760 it's an amulet from the Mossuo people. And my mom 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.080 brought it for me from Tibet and she's like, so cool, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.359 Text me if you figure out those fractions. So Nicholas 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.120 and Becca are their names, and they part ways. Suddenly, 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.040 Nicholas is crossing the street, a cab screeches to a halt, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.560 just inches from hitting him. Then the cabby gets out 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.280 and starts screaming at a child. Nicholas is a New 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.399 York kid, so he's giving it right back, and a 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.159 woman on a bike comes up to back up the 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.360 kid and she's like, no, don't listen to him, kid, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.439 this guy almost hit me a block back. Then a 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.280 truck driver pipes in and he's like, if you just 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.720 don't move your rash as I'm running every every body ova. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.840 So it's a real New York moment. It's a good 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:07.080 old fashioned NYC scream vest. Meanwhile, Nicholas has moved on 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.439 and he's just walking away when all three adults who 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.440 are involved in this little altercation look over and see 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.440 him getting pulled into a van. He's just getting fully 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.400 snatched into this van that wild wildly is like not 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.679 just a plain white van. It's got like flowers and 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.520 weird like hippie stuff seemingly like painted on the side. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.160 Very reminiscent of the most recent season where Maddie gets 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.440 taken by some kind of hippie van. This is more 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.360 flowers and kids stuff. Anyway, cut to Benson and Stabler 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.040 on the scene interviewing all the screaming people. They're all 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.320 saying different shit. Some of them thinks Nicholas is eight, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:42.800 some of them think he's ten. Some of them think 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.320 he's like five feet tall. Some of them are like, no, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.880 he's like you know a kid, he's four feet Some 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.000 say brown hair, black hair, and it's they're trying to 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.399 show you. I think how eyewitnesses are truly, like, very 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.159 unreliable a lot of the time. The cabby says the 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.879 kidnapper was white. The truck driver was like, no, he 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.800 was dark skinned, a foreigner, and he goes foreign like 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.680 he says it to the cabby like it's a slur. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.879 And the woman on the bike is like you he 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:07.720 was wearing gloves and you could only see his hands, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.320 like everybody chill. So these people are not helping and 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.040 Nicholas is gone, and boom it's the credits. So we 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.719 got there very fast. Back at the precinct, who is there? 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.920 And there's a lot of these starts, like there's one 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:22.359 where that's like the girls and the puppy, Yeah, and 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.960 just a lot of kids are getting snatched in front 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:26.800 of crossing guards. 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:30.480 Yeah, right out right, and it's classic intro. 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:32.840 I would say, yeah, it is such a wild thing 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.120 to do in New York City where you could literally 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.880 speed down one block and then just be stopped in traffic. 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:42.119 Like it's hard to actually be in hot pursuit in 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:43.119 New York City, you know. 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.640 So now anytime I see an ambulance, I go, oh god, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.440 I know, like I would hate to really have an. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:50.480 Emergency in this city. 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.320 It is tight, that's right, and it's clogged, and you 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.359 hear the siren and you just there's nowhere to go. 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.800 I mean, I uh so back at the precinct at 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.280 the time, A BacT one Sharon Stone arrives and this 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.199 is actually the final episode of her four episode arc 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.960 as eighty A. Joe Marlowe, I really love Sharon Stone. 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:12.120 She seems really wacky. We follow her on the That's 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.280 Messed Up account, so I'm always like getting like she's 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.480 painting in her underwear, like she's just funny, and we 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.600 do want her on the pod if anyone has any connects. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.280 I went to her IMDb and actually, what's really weird 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.639 is like she has so many IMDb credits, but a 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.880 lot of them are commercials. I didn't know commercials were 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.679 on IMDb. Now I'm gonna have to get my Carvana 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:34.720 commercial added to my IMDb. 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:38.440 But she's also been in a ton of music videos lately. 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:39.920 I was like, oh, what she's been up to lately, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:41.760 And she has been in a lot of music videos, 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.920 so check that out. She obviously rocketed to prominence by 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.840 showing her vagina for three seconds and that rocked the 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.560 nation in the movie Basic Instinct. But then she was 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:54.679 also in Casino. She was in a lot of very like, 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.679 sort of smutty type Basic Instinct movies that came out 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:00.480 right as I was like basically hitting puberty, like liver 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.119 and so like. She was always very like a sexual 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:06.920 like person to me because I'd seen her have sex 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.600 so many times. So she is rushing into the precinct 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.719 where the gang is ready to show her the footage 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.919 of Nicholas's kidnapping that they got off of you know, 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.240 some kind of street camera. They can't see much on 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.280 the tape except that the van says Gary's goofer rama. 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.520 Kids parties are my specialty, and I just think a 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:25.720 police car should be following that van at all times, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:30.600 because that's a that's a scary van. Gary's Gooferrama. No, 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.280 I don't like it. It just sounds like a pedophile front. 0:23:33.800 --> 0:23:36.199 In the next scene, a clown is coming out of 0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.720 Gary's Gooferama, the brick and mortar shop that a clown runs, 0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:44.040 and Olivia yells freeze NYPD and the startled clown lets 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.240 all of his balloons go and he goes, ah, my 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.639 balloons are getting away, and Stabler grabs him and goes, well, 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:51.240 you're not. And it's kind of just one of the 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.960 best movies like moments I've seen on the show, Like 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.520 they tell a clown to freeze, he lets go of 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.760 all his balloons and goes they're getting away, and Stabler's like. 0:23:58.680 --> 0:23:59.199 Well you're not. 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:02.320 I mean, I love the writing, I love everything about it. 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.240 And they're like, where's the boy and he's like, what 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.400 are you guys talking about? He takes off his wig. 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.800 He's like, I'm Gary. It's like, well we figured, I mean, 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.760 how many employees are at Gary's Gouferama. They find They're like, 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:14.760 where's your van and he's like, it's right over there, 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.520 but it hasn't run in six months, so basically, this 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.960 purp has copied the van. Meanwhile, Gary is pissed because 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.679 that was a bonzo birthday bouquet that he just released 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.520 into the sky, and he's sending NYPD a bill. But 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.520 Benson and Stabler have to bounce before they can pay 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.240 for the balloons because they just found the real van. 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:32.920 When they show up under a bridge where they love 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.320 to hang out on, SVU put this in the under 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:36.520 the bridge super cut that we're. 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:37.200 Planning on making. 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:40.720 You know. The fire department is just extinguishing the van, 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.040 which has been on like lit on fire. So they're like, 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.159 this purp is a pro. He faked the van on 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.359 purpose to throw the cops off. A firefighter brings them 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:51.560 a burnt up backpack and in it is a book 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:54.400 from white Thorne Academy. So that's getting us a little 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:57.960 bit more close to identifying the kid. So at the school, 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.399 the principal ida is the boy as Nicholas. All's a 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.160 third grader. When they mentioned the abduction, the principal goes, wow, 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.080 she really did it, and she explains that Nicholas's mother 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.680 is Sophie Girard. She's French and a bit unbalanced. Even 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.280 before Nicholas's dad got soul custody. This perks their little 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.800 ears right up, because moms don't often lose custody of 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.679 their kids to the dad, you know, like that's just 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.159 a fact, Like moms get custody more, and like you 0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:26.320 have to be doing something pretty wild. I would say 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:30.440 to get soul, but Sophie claims she is Nicholas's true 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.720 parent according to the principle and would not onno, the 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.520 court's decision, and the dad is not picking up because 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.679 he's showing a house in Montalk. The principal continues, and 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.000 she says Sophie would storm the playground at Recess to 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.840 see Nicholas. She one time she pushed me and I 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:46.920 threatened to call the cops. And now Sophie never comes 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:48.600 on to school property. She kind of knows where to 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.399 find him, right outside the school gates. So now they're like, okay, 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.200 so now this is a domestic snatching, Like they look 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.600 at the footage of the day at school, and it 0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:00.760 turns out Sophie was there on this extremely sharp color 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.040 surveillance camera footage that they have at Whitethorne Academy. Damn, 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.240 Sophie is giving Nicholas something and he doesn't seem thrilled 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.760 to see her. They want to know what she is saying, 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.119 so they bring the footage to this random cop to 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.240 come and lip read, and he goes she's saying, I 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.840 have something for you, Nicholas, all the way from Tibet. 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.960 What is it, mom? A way to keep you safe. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.159 Just remember whatever happens, don't be scared. J tem ja 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:26.240 tem Nicholas, which means I love you in French, in 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.840 case you've never heard of Madonna song. Yeah, wait, what's 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.760 the Madonna song? Oh no, sorry, never mind the Madonna song. 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.240 She says sorry in like forty different languages, but I'm 0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:36.919 sure she says tem at one. 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:38.560 Point in a song s. 0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:46.320 So Joe Marlowe Sharon Stone tells this cop, great job, 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.080 and he goes, thanks, I have a deaf grandma who 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.240 will be happy to know that. Why would you be 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:55.240 good at lip reading because your grandmother is deaf? Why 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:56.479 would that be a skill you have? 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.800 Maybe they would practice together, like that was their hangout, 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:01.320 I guess. 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.400 But it's like I went to college with a girl 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.800 who was deaf and she was amazing at lip reading, 0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:08.119 and it was never like you had to know how 0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.199 to lip reed to talk to her or anything. She 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.200 like would just be like, could you turn your face 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:14.760 to me in class when you're talking to me. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:15.879 We'd be like, no prob. 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:16.240 You know. 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.359 Like maybe they would sit at the park and she 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.959 would teach him, Oh, this is how you do it, 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:24.320 like how you read lips. 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.080 Yeah, I seed to be a spy. Yeah, so whatever. 0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.360 I guess this cop who he comes back in episode. 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.919 His name is Nelson and he is like, you know, 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:33.960 the hero for knowing the lip reading. I also do 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:35.880 love that girl on TikTok who does all the lip 0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:38.040 readings of like what people are saying at fashion week 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.600 and like at award shows when celebrities are talking to 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.080 each other. She's taken over the world. Yeah, I mean, 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:45.879 no celebrity is safe, Like, yeah, you cannot. You have 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:47.679 to like literally put your hands up. You have to 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:48.359 make a guard. 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:50.120 She's gonna find me you are talking. 0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.040 She is there. But I wonder how she's monetizing it. 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:54.120 I just hope she's making money. 0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:56.400 But I would love to know how to lip bread, 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:57.840 to be honest, But I don't. I don't know that 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.479 this guy got tutoring from his grandma. 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:00.120 We'll see. 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.000 In Walks Nicholas's dad Paul Olson. So the guy playing 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.120 Paul Olsen. This is this broke my brain. He's named 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.119 d W. Moffett, and I've heard that name before. He 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:15.280 works a lot. He was like on Chicago Med for 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.280 a while. He was a regular on the show Switched 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.240 at Birth for like who knew that had one hundred 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:20.159 and four episodes. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.520 At least he was on Friday Night Lights. 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.520 And then I google him and one of the first 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:28.600 results I see is this movie from nineteen ninety called 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.919 Lisa that is one of my childhood obsessions. It was 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.520 one of these like cheap shitty movies that they just 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.040 put on HBO that I would just catch all the time. 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:41.360 And it starred Stacy Keenan from My Two Dads and 0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.959 step by Step. She actually has a podcast that Stephen 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.600 Morris produces is Now where she and the girl who 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.640 plays Al from Step by Step. It's like a rewatch 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:53.720 podcast of Step by Step and Stacy Keenan was in it. 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:55.600 And at the time she was like a star to me. 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.080 She'd been on all these shows. She and her friends 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.840 are like fourteen or something like that. They would see 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.560 hot guys and they would find out their license plate 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.120 numbers and then like call the DMV and somehow get 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:08.840 the licesn of the DMB to give them their names 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.240 and numbers. Then they would call them and like play 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.720 like little phone sexy games with them, right, and then 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:18.480 she does it to a serial killer and DW. Moffett 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.640 plays the serial killer. So this guy that plays out 0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:25.040 I want to see this movie. Yeah, and like I 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.400 think her mom and then and then the serial killer 0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.800 thinks it's her mom, so he starts stalking her mom 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.480 to kill her. Like this movie is like in my 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.680 mind forever, Like I was obsessed with Lisa, So if 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.160 you ever if anyone's another Lisa head, please hit me 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.960 up on the GRAM. But that's this guy and he's 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.600 terrifying in this movie because he's a sex maniac as 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:46.360 they call it, and I aim to be a sex 0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:50.000 maniac and serial killer. So anyway, he barges in, like 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.520 have you arrested this bitch yet, like he is pissed 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.080 about his ex, right, and Elliott goes, you must be 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.080 the boy's father, and he goes, who else would I be? 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.080 And then he catches himself and he's like, sorry, I 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.640 was being bitchy, and he introduces himself and he's like, 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.479 they're like, well, we would love some help tracking down 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.880 your ex wife and he's like, never my wife, like 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.400 they were never married. Sophie doesn't believe in it, and 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.760 Live goes because she's French, and I was like, is 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.320 that a thing to French people not get married? And 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.560 he goes, no, because she's nuts. She's an anthropologist. She 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:21.440 has a fellowship at Columbia, and she's obsessed with matriarchal cultures, 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.720 So cultures where women run everything. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.720 I love that. That's nuts, but insane. 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:30.640 Men should leave lyda Yeasher is not insane insane. 0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.080 If she was out there like following tribes up that 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.680 were run by men, it would be important work, you know. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.800 But because she's doing this, it's insane. She's like traveled 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:43.760 all as a fuckedor yeah, he says, she traveled all 0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:46.960 the time, India, Peru. She was always leaving us. Two 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.720 years ago, she discovered a tribe in China and wanted 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.560 Nicholas there right before school started, and he said no, 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.320 and she went crazy. He goes, she's very smart and 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.080 he would not put this kidnapping past her. And the 0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.000 minute she got on the plane to China, he changed 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.960 the locks and filed for soul custody. Again, I don't 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.960 think that you would get soul custody based on leaving 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.120 on a work trip. That doesn't feel how the system works. 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:14.280 But again my lawyer, girlies and guys can weigh in here. 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.360 So now they're knocking on Sophie's door. She answers it. 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.320 And this is French actress Isabelle Uperer. She is the 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.280 French Meryl Streep. I will say she's one. She's considered 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.760 like the most well known French actress. She's won tons 0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:27.200 of awards. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:31.360 She's I hurt huckabees right, I don't know she's in that. 0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:32.080 I don't know. 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.640 But she was nominated for an Oscar in twenty seventeen 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.520 for the movie l which is a French movie and 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.480 so very it's very rare for like the foreign films 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.960 to have Best Actor and Actress nominees. I feel like, 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.080 I mean, it happens like Roberto Benini, I think was nominated, 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:49.360 you know, but like you. 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.800 Know, this was her nomination she got. 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:53.840 And the plot of the movie, which I read on Wikipedia, 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:58.479 is very sv and crazy, like psychologically like wild. So 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:00.640 check out the movie El if you into more of 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:01.360 that weird stuff. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:03.160 My heart Huckabees. 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.360 One of my favorite movies because that I think it 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:13.680 famously is the movie where Lily Tomlin's jo of her 0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:17.840 screaming at David o'russell, who I'm sure deserved it, yes 0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.480 to an extreme, And that's why I feel like Jennifer Lawrence. 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:23.920 He got her so young and then she would do whatever, 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.200 like you can't fucking don't treat. 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.880 Lily, you cannot come for. 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.920 Yeah, She's just like I have to do it again 0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:32.400 and again. 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:37.080 We've got it anyway. 0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.640 Benson and Stabler want to talk to her inside, so 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.080 she turns off her African drum music that she's listening to, 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.800 and they want to talk about why she saw Nicholas 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.760 in violation of a court order, Like he has soul custody, 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:49.800 so she's not allowed to go see him at school. 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:53.080 Like that is crazy, Like there's if he does a play, 0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:54.720 she's not allowed to go watch the play. 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.280 Like that to me is like is there a restraining order? 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:58.640 I don't get that, Like why would there be a 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:01.520 straight restaining order unless she has physically done something to 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:02.920 hurt him anyway? 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.680 You know whatever? The show plays fast and loose. 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.240 Sometimes she denies seeing him and they're like, babe, we 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:09.400 have the footage, like drop the act, and she's like, well, 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.520 I don't. She seems to not even know Nicholas is 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:14.200 even missing, and Stabler's like, let's talk downtown and starts 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.320 man handling her and she's like speaking French, going what 0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:17.800 are you doing? 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:18.560 Are you crazy? 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.320 And then they take her off and she's like, what's 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.320 happened to Nicholas? Like they're not even telling her, they're 0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:25.680 just hauling her off. So when people say they don't 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.200 like cops, it's like this kind of thing. It's like, 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.200 tell me why you're pulling me over. Stop being a dick, 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:32.000 you know. At the priest although I will say I 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.000 just got pulled over last week and he didn't give 0:33:34.000 --> 0:33:35.480 me a ticket. I think because I had my kids 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:39.040 with me. So I appreciate that one cop because I 0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:40.400 cannot you another. 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:40.840 Ticket right now. 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.880 She said, I was going like fifty down this hill. 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.880 It's like a hill where everybody's speeding, and he's like 0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.280 you were going fifty and the speed limit is like 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.240 thirty five and I was like, sorry, I didn't realize, 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:54.800 and he was like like I'm just trying to get 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:55.960 home with my kids, and he was like, all right, 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:57.120 I'm not going to write you a ticket today. 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.440 I was like, thank God. But he was waiting at 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:01.720 the bottom of that hill to grab. 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.400 I think at first because of the last interaction they had, 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.280 which I think I talked about on this podcast, where 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.120 a cop was really awful to Jared and was like 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.359 banging on the hood of our car. So I think 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.400 they were scared of and they they afterwards they were like, 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:15.719 that was a nice police officer, and I was like, yeah, 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:16.000 he was. 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:16.919 He was pretty nice. 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.880 Because I'm trying to teach them that they can go 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:21.480 to the police, but that they are bad and good 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.480 police officers. So it's it's tricky. It's tricky territory. So 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.600 now it's the top of act two. At the precinct, 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.160 they keep asking where's Nicholas. Where's Nicholas? She doesn't know, 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.680 but also she's like, I have rights, I'm his mother. 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.439 But then the dad appears like, no, you're not a mother, 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.239 raises their child, makes him breakfast, takes care of him 0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.399 when he's sick, tucks him into bed. He accuses her 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.759 of abandoning Nicholas. She insists that she came back and 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:45.879 Paul has his head filled with lies about her. 0:34:46.280 --> 0:34:46.880 They separate. 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.160 This is all happening like in the precinct open area 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:51.080 where they always manage to make two people that hate 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.640 each other run into each other by accident. So that's 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.920 also like your kid is missing, so yeah, let's together 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.320 hill on the fighting and like, let's yeah join forces 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:02.040 for like a minute. 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:02.799 We can fight later. 0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:06.520 So they separate them and Craigan sends Finn to toss 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.920 Sophie's place. Sophie is now an interrogation with Stabler and 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.560 the dad is in with Benson and they're kind of 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.160 cutting back and forth, you know how they do this 0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:15.960 on the show. So Sophie, Stabler's like like getting really 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:18.759 closer for going where's Nicholas. It's like your sexiness is 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:20.000 not going to get her to give up this info. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.440 He doesn't know, she doesn't know, and she's like, I 0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:24.000 don't know, go why don't you go out there and 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.520 find his ass? And she's worried that Nicholas is scared, 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.919 and Stabler's like Stabler, who as a reminder, is never 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:33.120 around for his kids, starts guilting her for abandoning her 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.520 son and Sophie's like, bitch, I have to travel for 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.360 my work. And it's like, have we ever seen Stabler 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:40.600 lay into a father who travels for work, like these 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.719 guys can get off the plane from like Kenya and 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.200 he's like, how is your business trip? Everything okay? He's 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.160 not like you abandon your children for your work. And 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.120 this just has happened to me. So I'm very like 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.239 mad and triggered by this because I did have one 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.280 of my son's teachers sort of criticize me for traveling 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:58.960 for work, and I had to tell someone else to 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.200 tell her that she can't do that because I know 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.160 she doesn't do that too. 0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.160 The dad's at the school, so you know. 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.880 And she's like, I study tribal cultures and they exist 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.040 in remote areas, so I'm a jet set or baby. 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:12.480 Deal with it, like, this is where I have to 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:15.080 go for my work. Cutting back and forth to Benson 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.240 talking to the dad, and he's like that kids need routine, 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:19.440 they need consistency. 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.360 But that's not Sophie. She hates convention. 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.000 She thinks he'd be better off with a yak herders 0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.319 than at Whitethorne Academy. And he goes in my book, 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:28.279 that's child abuse, and it's like, your book is dumb, 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:31.240 that's not child abuse. Like, look, it's probably we should 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:32.759 let the kid make it. At eight, I think you 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:34.040 can decide whether you want to go be with some 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.640 yach hurders or be at a. 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:36.720 Prep school in New York City. 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.960 The dad, Paul, says that Sophie has never been physically 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.759 violent with Nicholas, but did get increasingly violent with him 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.359 towards the end of their relationship, especially when he put 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.360 his foot down about China. He goes, I put my 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:50.600 foot down and she almost chopped it off with an axe. 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:52.759 Back to Sophie, She's like, the axe is from the 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:54.400 Caramajong people of Uganda. 0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:55.560 She says. 0:36:55.800 --> 0:37:01.319 Paul was very annagasttre mean girls. Yeah, but Katie, you 0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:08.360 love ladye Smith's Blackbombasa. So God, your ability to remember 0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.520 these moments, it's crazy and it's so wild because when 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:13.480 I'm out in the world and someone's talking about something, 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:15.360 I was like, oh, yeah, that's a care that's a 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:16.400 Clank family classic. 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.399 I was talking to my two friends yesterday and I go, oh, 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.640 Lisa loves that. And they were like, who's Lisa, And 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.480 I go oh, she's my podcast ghost. 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.759 And they were like, right, right, right, like, but. 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.200 I was just saying it like I was talking about 0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:32.799 you know, one of my kids or something or Jared like, 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.680 but you know, I know you're like some dislikes, probably 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.200 better than anyone else besides those three people. 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:40.840 Well, especially when I flew off the handle at the 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:41.880 diet coke situation. 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.480 I'm sure you snapped. I know I have a note now. 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.360 I keep a note in my ass so that I 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:51.840 don't fuck up again. So yeah, she's like Paul was 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.239 trying to destroy all my artifacts and I was trying 0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:55.080 to save the acts. 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:55.319 I was. 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.960 It's not a weapon. It's like a symbol of fertility 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.279 or something. But Sophie and Paul are both calling each 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.280 other habitual liars to the cops. Paul is like, please, 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.080 you have to find Nicholas. I know she has him behind. 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:08.520 Like, honestly, both. 0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:10.719 Of you are annoying. Yeah, it's like I don't like 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.239 either of you. Usually when people are fighting, I like 0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.839 one of them. This, I'm like, I don't want any 0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.080 of you to have custody on it, you know. 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.040 Well, yeah, I'll be honest. 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:21.719 The first time I watched this episode, like when it 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:26.000 came on fourteen years ago. Her accent was like grading 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.000 on me. I was like, I don't like the accent 0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.160 for some reason. It's like I know other friend, I 0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.680 know French people. I just her accent specifically, like the 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.960 way she was talking was bothering me. But when I 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.560 rewatched it this time, I was like, oh, I'm on 0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:41.480 her side, like very hard now because you know it's 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:43.799 now yeah, and also how the episode fucking turns out. 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:45.000 But let's get to it. 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.000 Behind the glass, Joe Marlowe is watching and Finn brings 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:50.920 her evidence from Sophie's place and is like, it was 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.520 a gold mine. So now she walks into the interrogation 0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.120 room and Sophie is like, oh, finally a woman is here. 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.200 Now she'll understand that I would never hurt my son. 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.879 Joe throws down a frunch passport for Nicholas and she's like, yeah, 0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:04.040 I wanted him to have his citizenship. Like I would say, 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.960 most people that are European living in the US are 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:08.880 trying to get a passport for their kids from their 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.000 home country because it makes it way easier to travel 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.920 around the world. You can go live and work in 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.000 Europe if you have an EU. I mean for while 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:18.000 the EU still exists anyway. They go, well, we also 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.440 checked your computer and found two one way tickets to 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.400 Beijing for you and Nicholas. She goes, I wanted my 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.680 boy back, and he belongs with me and Joe's like 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.720 in a village in China. Everybody's being very judgmental about 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.799 the village in China. I wonder how long they would 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:31.040 be there? 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:31.439 Two months? 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.040 That could be kind of like a fun experience. She's like, 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:36.160 Nicholas would love it there. Children are allowed to have 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:38.840 a childhood and now which I will agree that in 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:40.440 New York, growing up in New York City, those kids 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.240 grow up fast. Just from my two my three cousins 0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.160 that are from there. New York City kids do grow 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:46.760 up fast, Sony kids. 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:47.040 Yeah. 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:47.440 Yeah. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.040 Down about in the train, it's. 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.840 Different, yeah, open, and you're getting your own little sandwiches. 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.480 I mean, this is twenty ten. They're texting at the beginning. 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.799 Becka goes, text me when you get those fractions. They're eight, 0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:00.560 They have their own phones and they're texting, you know, like, 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:02.760 I don't know, I'm trying to hold off till twelve 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.840 or something out here, but we'll see. 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:06.680 Hold out as long as you can. 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.640 Because you know, the tech people don't give their kids phones, right, 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:10.759 you probably shouldn't neither. 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:11.400 Yeah. 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.960 Yeah, and mine aren't addicted to iPads yet, and I 0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:15.719 think that that's good too. Like we don't really do 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.600 a lot of iPad shit, So because we don't really, 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.440 Jared just has one for reading anyway. 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:23.800 I don't know. I think it would help my life. 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.400 They just I just don't need that kind of pressure. 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.400 Yeah, I don't like the idea of the iPad. 0:40:32.360 --> 0:40:34.359 Yeah, Like I when I see to let airports, I go, wow, 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.160 that's cool. But I don't. I can't. 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.560 I don't want the responsibility of keeping the iPad and 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:41.160 also pad. 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:43.479 And I plug in the iPad. The headphones are enough 0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:44.840 and phones are fine for me. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:46.719 Like I can watch an episode if I download some 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:48.880 stuff on Hulu before I get onto a flight, like 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.399 I can watch it on my phone and I feel 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:50.960 fine with that. 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:54.040 So you know my memory capacity on every device I 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.640 have every Yeah thing, I'm just I don't think I 0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:57.640 can download anything. 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.759 We got to get you at ten. We got to 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.560 get you your own tech guy. We have to. 0:41:04.360 --> 0:41:08.239 So Stabler and Marlowe now are ganging up on her 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.080 demanding to know where's the kid, and Marlow's like, you 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.640 can can can your ass off, doctor Gerard, but you 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.200 got some explaining to do. 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.600 And it's like, wow, you hate French people, like. 0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:21.480 These people are like there's just these little French disses 0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:25.040 like cam Can that's from like from like the. 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:26.239 Twenties or something. I don't even know. 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.920 But Marlow's like, why don't you explain why you borrowed 0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.480 fifty thousand dollars from your parents two weeks ago? And 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.719 she's like, well, that's not illegal, and they're like, well 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.239 after that, you started calling a prepaid cell phone and 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.680 a week later you took out twenty five thousand dollars, 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:45.279 and so Sophie's like realizing the jig is fucking up now, 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.080 like now she's got, she's got got. She admits she 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.799 met a man who said he could get Nicholas back, 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.120 but he said she didn't think it would be so soon, 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.600 and he promised her she would be there so Nicholas 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:57.400 wouldn't be afraid. 0:41:57.800 --> 0:41:59.600 So at first she won't give up his name. 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:01.680 She's like, the man is very dangerous, and then Stabler 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.240 slams on the table and she sees Nicholas's passport photo 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:05.080 and she gives up the name. 0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:06.840 His name is Jason cul Ross. 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.680 So now cuts to Benson with the info this guy's 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:12.120 a Green Beret special ops for the Army, worked for 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:16.080 Blackwater after that, spent four years in Afghanistan handling kidnap 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:19.560 and ransom cases, so this guy could easily handle a 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:23.880 domestic you know, snatch. Turns out this guy owns a 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.240 warehouse in Red Hook. Uh oh, that's probably never good news. 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:28.520 Uh good burger. 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.560 Cragan wants to alert ESU, but Stabler's like, we can 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.720 handle this if the kid's there. It might be scary 0:42:35.719 --> 0:42:38.400 to have all those guns. And Cragan's like, well, this 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:41.120 guy's a Green Beret. The Army trained him. And Stabler's like, 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.280 and the Marines trained me. And it's like armed forces 0:42:44.320 --> 0:42:47.960 pissing contest. Cool cool cool. At the warehouse they're moving 0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:50.640 in and it's just Benson and Sabler and there's photos 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.520 of Nicholas on the table. There's a kid play area 0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:56.360 set up in this dark warehouse. There's some Carrie Matheson 0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.239 like Homeland style boards of like Nicholas surveillance, and they 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.160 see a dude in the office like through the blinds 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:05.719 and Stabler goes in there and it's like freeze but 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.000 it's a dummy. And when he turns around to Live, 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.360 he's like, it's a setup. Live is lying on the 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:13.480 ground and Cole Ross, the guy has a gun on him, going, 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.360 you picked the wrong place to rob douchebag and I 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:19.200 didn't realize Douchebag and made its way to primetime network TV, 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:20.280 and that's fun. 0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:21.840 I do like douchebag. 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.640 I do like yeah, like you know, there's some things 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.680 that's like you just they don't say on primetime and 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.239 I'm I say, douchelrd, douchelrd. 0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.680 I'm much more current, much more current, is that? Yeah? 0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been on the cutting edge of that. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:42.600 I've I've always been douche Lord. I'm taking credit for 0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:46.560 douche Lord. I really am. Love it if you heard 0:43:46.600 --> 0:43:52.520 anyone else use it. So Stabler announces himself as NYPD. 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.279 The guy apologizes, he goes, oh, sorry, I didn't know 0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.960 you were a cop, and Stabler goes so she and 0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:02.400 just punches this guy's lights right for out truly police brutality, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.480 Like the guy put his gun down, he apologized, and 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.160 you just punched him. In the fucking face because he 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.759 put your partner in a sleeperhole. Like sorry, but like 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:10.799 he didn't know you guys were cops and he was 0:44:10.840 --> 0:44:14.480 sort of defending his property. The next thing we see 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.120 is them trying to wake this guy up. They're still 0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:17.760 at the warehouse. 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.520 He's cuffed in a chair, and he explains, like, my 0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:23.520 job is to recover kids from non custodial parents. Once 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.319 I found out that Sophie didn't have custody, I told 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.360 her I couldn't help her. But she he goes, she 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.239 is obsessed with her son, and live wants to know, Oh, 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:33.600 do you give her back to twenty five K? And 0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:35.360 he goes, that's not refundable. I did a lot of 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.200 legwork on this case, as you can see from all 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:38.960 the photos and surveillance he's been doing of this eight 0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:41.160 year old child. And then he found out Sophie lied. 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.279 He's like, I keep the money. He's like, my job 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.000 is not illegal and it's necessary and lives like cops 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.719 can handle parental abductions, and he goes, right, so if 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:51.719 a kid gets taken to Jordan, NYPD's gonna go get him. 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.480 And he's kind of right. I mean, like what was 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.759 the case we covered where the guy took his kid 0:44:56.840 --> 0:45:01.719 to another country, stolen this way hard to get him back. 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:03.839 Yeah yeah, and like they couldn't get him back and 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.439 she wasn't the custodial pairent. I mean, you hear about 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:08.759 this all the time, people take their kids abroad. And 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.279 he's like, I do what law enforcement can't do. And 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.440 they're like, well, where were you last night? He goes, Brazil, 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.640 I flew back this morning. You can ask my seat 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:19.000 you can check TSA. My seat mate was an air marshal. 0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.200 He'll verify. I didn't even know about air marshalls until 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:23.239 I watched Bridesmaids. 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.680 Is that bad? No, that's same with me. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.160 Yeah, I just why I didn't know they were on 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:29.960 every flight, that there was a guy like I had 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:30.440 no idea. 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:35.239 So the last moment of their conversation with this guy 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.880 Cole Ross, he goes, oh, by the way, when I 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:40.240 pulled out of the job, sophiasked if I knew anyone 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:41.680 that could help her, and I said I don't know 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.040 any criminals. And then Stabler gets a call on his 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:47.279 little flippy flip and he goes, well, she found one 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:48.840 on her own, her credit card was just used to 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.680 check into a motel a Long Island and a man 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:51.799 checked in with a little boy. 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:53.600 So they're on the wrong path. 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:55.120 They got to get over to this motel and Long 0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:58.120 Island red hooked a Long Island. Now that there's traffic 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:00.920 at the motel, they've got the place surrounded. There's like 0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.400 a local Long Island cop helping them, telling them, like, 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:05.200 we cleared out a maid, we cleared out the people 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:06.920 that were in the rooms. And when they bust into 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.000 the motel room, it's empty, live peeps the adjoining door. 0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:11.680 They go through that into the next room where they 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.359 find a maid tied up in her underwear crying and 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.000 she's like, the man attacked me, took my clothes and 0:46:18.080 --> 0:46:18.839 my keys, and he. 0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:19.920 Put a boy in my car. 0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.719 So then on security cameras at the top of bag three, 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.880 they see that this guy was just wearing a maid's 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.080 uniform with like a bandana around his head, so they 0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:30.600 didn't even clock that it was like not a woman, 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:33.919 and the cops waved him off thinking he was a maid, 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.239 and footage from the parking lot then shows him putting 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.480 Nicholas into the maid's car, a ninety six Buick the 0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:39.440 kid looks terrified. 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:40.600 It's really awful. 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:43.600 Meanwhile, the local police dude is getting radio updates from 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.760 his guys. They're like, we found the car. We're in pursuit. 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.920 Oh he's here. They are like, wow, he's really flying, 0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:51.359 like they can tell how fastest guy's driving. And then 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.600 over the radio they hear, oh, no, he's going too fast. 0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.600 And then there's a crash sound and everybody's face is 0:46:57.640 --> 0:47:01.680 like fuck. We cut to the being pulled out of 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:04.200 the Long Island sound and you can see the driver 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:07.280 dead in the driver's seat, and they don't show you, Nicholas, 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.160 but they have Benson and Stable or open the back 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.400 door and their faces say it all. So it's sad 0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:16.719 because like I feel like, rarely do we see a 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.400 child alive in the show and then dead, you know, 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:25.040 like there's either a dead kid or like or a 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.120 kid is a victim a living victim. You know, like 0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:28.879 there's not as much like oh you kind of sort 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:30.759 of had sweet moments with this kid in his front 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.480 on the bus, and now he's dead. It's like very 0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:37.600 very awful, and all this sad music starts playing and 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.880 as they go back to the squad, they tell the 0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:42.160 two parents who are in separate interrogation rooms. 0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.440 Sophie collapses, she's wailing. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.400 The dad throws a chair, but all you hear is 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.760 like the sad music over everything. Joe Marlow looks shook, 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.879 like it's just a sad day. In the squad room, 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.239 everybody looks very upset now because I guess also they're 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.120 kind of like it was on us to recover this kid, 0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.480 and now he's dead, you know, So now Craigan and 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:03.480 the gang are regrouping. The kidnapper's name is Keith Bradman. 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:05.920 He's thirty five from Toledo. He's got a long rap 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.759 sheet breaking and entering scams, et cetera. Marlow's like, I 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.440 could shovel the dirt myself and it lives like a 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.239 men's sister. They are gonna pull up the guy's cell 0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.359 phone records connect him to Sophie and the like this 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.680 is all gonna be done. Meanwhile, Cragan is like live 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:23.880 time to get in there and get that grieving mother's 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:28.359 confession and lives like for real, like right now, and 0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.080 Marlow's like, well, this is felony murder because he was 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.879 killed in the course of a kidnapping. So she's responsible 0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:35.879 if she set it up, and we got to get 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.319 her confession. So it is really wild. So Benson and 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.520 Marlowe walk into the interrogation room. Sophie is crying and 0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:45.160 muttering to herself in French. She's like, I need to 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:46.840 go home. Nicholas will be out of school soon. I 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.520 need to give him a snack, and Marlowe says, Nicholas 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:51.000 is not at school, but Sophie just. 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:51.759 Keeps repeating it. 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:54.200 So now at the other side of the glass, Huong 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.800 is obviously there to explain that Sophie has become psychotic. 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.400 Catastrophic stressors, he explains, can splinter and already fragile psyche, 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:04.359 triggering a break with reality, and Marlow's like, well, maybe 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.239 the guilt pushed her over the edge. Hung's like, it 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.640 could be, but brief reactive psychosis can cause delusions, hallucinations, 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:14.240 and even catatonia, and he says it could last days 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.399 or even months, and Marlow's like. 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:17.440 Well, what are we supposed to do? 0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:19.800 Sit on our hands while she gets her brains banged 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.960 out in the booby hatch? What is that line? I 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:25.160 mean that one on the cancn line. Marlow gets some 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.480 wild ass lines in this episode, like her brain's banged 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:31.480 out in the booby hatch. We need Sophie to confess. 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:36.440 Also, I feel like her and Christine Lottie's character, they've 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:38.640 crossed paths, they've been together. 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:41.040 They either like love each other and hang out or 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.000 they like hate each other. Yeah, they like either get 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.920 drinks and talk shit or they're like that bitch. I'm 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:50.239 supposed to be the mean one around here, but you know, 0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:54.920 obviously before Sonia got sober. Also, I don't agree with 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.520 the term booby hatch to describe a mental institution. 0:49:57.760 --> 0:49:59.759 I'm quoting the show. I want everyone to know. 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.920 So they're saying t Juan, well, we need Sophie to confess, 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.799 and he's like, well maybe this is all still theoretical 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.160 to her, like make it real for her, Like she's 0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:10.080 just here with all these cops telling her what happened, 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.440 but she hasn't, like you know. So Liv goes to 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:15.520 get Sophie and Sophie says what in French? And Liz says, 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:19.239 Liv says, we're leaving, Sophie says in French, what are 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:23.239 you saying? And then Live says to see Nicholas. So 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.799 she's like reverted to just speaking French as well, which 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:27.680 she can't be sure all these people understand, although Live 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.200 does speak ten languages, so I'm sure she knows. So 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:33.160 of course they bring Sophie to see her son's dead body, 0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:37.800 like I mean, they've it's so traumatic. They're at the morgue. 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.759 Sophie's like, I don't think I can do this, but 0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:42.560 like they're like, you have to. Melinda's there. She pulls 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.239 back the sheet. There's Nicholas. They show us his dead body, which, 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:47.600 like a lot of times, we don't see kid dead 0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:49.920 bodies on this show. It's like very sad. Obviously the 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:53.920 actors alive, but it's still sad. She's still he's lying there. 0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.520 He's still wearing the necklace from Tibet that she gave him, 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:59.160 and Sophie goes, this is a dream. That necklace was 0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:00.960 supposed to keep him safe. And then she asked if 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:01.760 she can have the necklace. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:02.279 They let her. 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:05.879 She puts it on, She's saying sh tem, she's kissing him. 0:51:06.360 --> 0:51:08.600 Marlow and Benson dig in on the questions like tell 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.920 us what happened, how did you meet Keith Bradman, And 0:51:11.280 --> 0:51:13.560 Sophie is like, I don't know who that is, and 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:17.759 she's just like weeping over her son. Then in walks Paul, like, 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.040 I get it when they're letting paths cross in the 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.120 precinct somewhat, But now we're at the fucking morgue. 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:23.839 Is they're not a log? 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:25.640 Can we not keep these people away from each other? 0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.360 The dad who is escorted by Nelson, the cop with 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.839 the deaf grandma, comes in and he's furious, like, get 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.320 her away from my son, and he wants the cops 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:36.640 like to take her out or whatever, and they start 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:38.759 just screaming at each other in the morgue. These two 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.040 like it's a wild fight. They're physically pushing at one another. 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.400 The cops separate them, but in the scuffle, Sophie grabs 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:49.320 Nelson's gun, so now she's holding a gun on Marlowe 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:52.280 and it's a full hosted situation. She tells deb Benson 0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.839 to drop her gun or everyone will die. She tells 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.200 the cops to get Paul out of there, but he's like, 0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.840 I won't leave, and it's like this assholes, like a 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:01.880 I think I'll stay and make things worse, Thank you 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:04.960 so much. So he starts asking a grieving mother with 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:07.640 a gun, what is wrong with you? Have you gone insane? 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.520 Like this is how this guy thinks he should handle 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.839 the situation. She fires at him the gun, but he 0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:18.480 ducks and the bullet hits Melinda Warner. How dare you? Like, No, 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.160 we must protect Melinda at all costs. This is a 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:24.640 horrible turn of events. Live is like Melinda like runs 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:27.839 to her. She begs Sophia, let them call. By the way, 0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:29.879 it hits Melinda in like the gut kind of her, 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:33.280 like the middle of the body, like around her lungs, 0:52:33.600 --> 0:52:36.560 and Live runs to her, begs Sophia. 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:41.840 At theously, No, Melinda's around, Yeah, seen her continue. But 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:45.960 I can imagine the stress of watching this live. This 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.840 must have been a huge water cooler moment. Oh my god, 0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:53.200 like exactly, our girl has been shot. 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.279 Yeah, like we've seen Also, season finales is a big 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.719 time where they kill people off, you know, so like 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.360 this is the season finale. Like I think when I 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:03.759 was watching it, we probably all thought, fuck, they're not getting. 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:04.680 Rid of Tamertuni, right. 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.719 So liv runs to her, Yeah, begs Sophie, let them 0:53:08.719 --> 0:53:11.400 call an ambulance. But Sophie is like crazed and she refuses, 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:15.120 and Liv is just sitting there like like Marisha Harget 0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:19.040 does such great panicked trying to stop the bleeding, but 0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:20.440 like look of panic. 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.120 On her face, you know, like she's very good at that. 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:26.320 So at the precinct, Stabler is getting Bradman's phone records. 0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:29.360 Craigan arrives and he's like, dude, shots fired at the morgue. 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:32.759 Stabler takes off like a shot, no pun intended. Back 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.720 at the morgue, This motherfucker is still taunting Sophie. 0:53:35.719 --> 0:53:36.960 He goes, what have you done? 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.000 She goes, it was a mistake, but this is not 0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:41.719 and she she wants to shoot her ex. 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.040 And I don't really blame her. 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:47.200 Marlow approaches Sophie before you know, and is like to 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.399 ask for the gun, and she's like, what's the plan? 0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.400 Are you gonna shoot me? Then you're gonna shoot Benson. 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:54.600 Sophie's like, well, if I have to, And Warner is 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:57.200 grimacing in pain, but tells Benson she's doing great, keep 0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:59.640 up the pressure. She's directing Joe where to get the 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.160 gaw Melinda is just like directing her own life saving 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:03.080 operation right now. 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:04.280 It's like really amazing. 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.520 Outside the morgue, stable arrives, Nelson is like sorry, she 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.480 got my piece, and Esu is at the GWB for 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.439 a jumper, So hostage negotiator is thirty minutes away. 0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:15.399 Stabler decides to jump into that role. 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:19.040 He announces himself to Sophie and sends Nelson get me 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:22.080 the blueprints to the building. Now, Stabler's like an architect, 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:24.080 he can just like read blueprints. I feel like there's 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.920 a lot of blueprint moments in this show. Sophie says, 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:30.400 no talking or I'll shoot all of them, so she 0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:33.320 does not want to talk to the Stabler. Suddenly, Melinda 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.040 is gasping for breath. She tells them in all these 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.880 clipped gaps that the bullet has gotten her lung and 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:43.000 that her lungs are filling with blood, and she says tension, hemo, numo. 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:44.720 She needs a chest tube. 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:47.680 So Marlow is like, please, dude, this woman is dying, 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:49.359 and Sophie's like, no, no, this is a trick. 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:51.000 I mean again, she's probably. 0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:54.719 Still in a bit of a psychosis, a psychotic break 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:58.000 that she's having. Melinda tells Marlow what materials to get, 0:54:58.080 --> 0:54:59.399 but live is like, I don't know if I can 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.080 do this is like, then get ready to watch me die. 0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:05.480 It's really really intense. She gives live instructions on how 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:07.720 to put in a chest tube. We're watching her cut 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:10.480 live with a scalpel with no anesthesia or anything like 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:11.520 they put on data Die. 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:17.520 Watch that movie with Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy, The Heat. 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:17.879 The Heat. 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.480 The Heat's one of my favorite movies. I love it. 0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.120 I love when Sandra Bullet cuts someone open. 0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:25.600 It's like a huge disaster. She has no idea what 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:28.839 she's doing. That movie is so fucking good that much. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.920 Yeah, that's another sexism thing like that should have been 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.680 the number one talked about hit thing ever, like I 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.040 saw about the Spy who Dumped Me? Like these are 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.160 such funny movies. I saw Heat in the theater. 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.319 I loved it immediate, like I've seen it on TV 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:44.399 a million times, Like, I love that movie so much. 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.720 I think it's so good. They are a great pairing. 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:48.399 I don't know why there's not been like a Heat too, 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:52.320 because they could. They are so good anyway. Caitlyn Olsen's 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:56.399 in that one. Yeah, it's so good. So yeah, she's 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:58.839 instructing live how to do this test test tube. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:55:59.560 It's so wild. 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.400 She and it's the tube and Melinda can breathe again 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.040 almost immediately, and she says, good girl, and there's a 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.880 lot of relief. But they're like, Sophie, girl, what's the 0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:10.279 endgame here? Like what do you want? She's like, I 0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.080 want my son back with me and Paul again, this 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:16.160 fucking clown is like, you want him back? Don't you 0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:19.520 get it? He's dead because of you. She shoots up 0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:22.160 at the ceiling. He tells her she's out of her mind, 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:23.920 and Sophie's like, don't you dare talk to me like 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:25.759 that in front of my son. And then Marlow gets 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:28.239 into this little role playing game. She goes, that's right, 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.279 She's right, Nicholas shouldn't hear such things. She goes over 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.080 to pauland goes, you better apologize to Nicholas. And then 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:37.040 he's like what She's like, apologize and he does it, 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.359 and he's like, your mother loves you very much. And 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.000 it's like, yeah, dude, you should have been playing along 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.400 from the beginning. What's your fucking damage? So then Marlow goes, 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.520 doctor Warner's losing a lot of blood. You don't want 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.800 Nicholas to see this, do you. You don't want to upset 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:51.880 him and Sophie's like no, and so she allows Benson 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.400 to take Melinda out of the place on like a 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:58.960 gurney and then Stabler, meanwhile is studying the blueprints trying 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:00.719 to figure out how to get in there, and then 0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:03.560 the wheel Melinda out lives is like, we need medical assistance, 0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.320 and Melinda goes back off vultures. I'm not dead yet, 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.279 so we're pretty positive that Melinda is gonna make it, 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.160 but we have to wait till the end of the episode. 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:14.239 Elliott is now in the air conditioning shaft. I think 0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:17.080 he's like full mission impossible. Sophie is still in the 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:21.080 morgue with Marlow and Paul and I guess. 0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:24.000 That's one of the like movie tropes that's like so 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:25.160 far from reality. 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:26.800 The shaft's moving. 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.320 I just saw something about how like they're tiny, like 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.120 the way we Prussia media. 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:35.040 Yeah, like it's for a man his ass. You think 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:40.080 air shaft can carry Stabler's ass? No, No, it's for air. 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:42.160 Is so funny, that's true, like you know what it 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.200 usually goes in there? Air, But that is always in 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.720 movies and shit, people escaping through air shafts. 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:50.080 But it is fun and I like them crawling. No, 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.120 I mean, I'm sure it's so hard to film. Now 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.680 that I think about it, it makes me so claustrophobic 0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:57.440 to watch those things. Oh my god, I get so 0:57:57.440 --> 0:57:58.440 so claustrophobic. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.760 But Benson is now calling the Morgue on the phone, 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:03.840 but Sophie won't pick up. She's like, I need quiet. 0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:07.360 Nicholas is sleeping, he needs his rest. Maybe they should 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.680 call Huong. Honestly, it feels like this woman is seriously 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:11.520 going through something and he could be a great person 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.080 to have there at the time, you know. Marlow answers 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.640 the phone and is like, Olivia, Sophie wants you to 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.280 stop calling, Nicholas needs to rest, and hangs up and 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.560 lives like fuck. She's still kind of off her rocker here, 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.240 like we got to figure this out. Paul decides now 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:28.480 he's going to try to reason with Sophie, and he's like, 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:30.360 Nicholas wouldn't want you to do this, and she's like, 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.560 shut the fuck up, and she pistol whips him, which 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.360 I get a lot of satisfaction from. She lays like 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:38.320 on top of Nicholas, and Marlow's like, I think you're 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:41.040 scaring him. And suddenly Sophie is back to reality, and 0:58:41.080 --> 0:58:43.120 she goes, oh, don't play games with me. He's not 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.040 scared or sleeping. He's dead. Like she's just sort of 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:48.840 back into reality. She lays on him again and she 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.520 keeps calling him mon petitgue Garson, like my little man, 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:52.880 our sweet little. 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:53.520 Boy, she says. 0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:58.680 Marlow asks Sophie to tell her about Nicholas and he 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.240 she well, so Marlowe is like, all right, I'll try 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.680 another tack. Now that she understands what's going on, She's like, 0:59:03.960 --> 0:59:06.000 why don't you tell me about him? And she goes, 0:59:06.080 --> 0:59:08.280 he was the most beautiful baby everyone said. 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:08.480 So. 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:10.880 He like boy things, cars, trucks, trains, We used to 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.560 ride the metro. He asked questions. He had the mind 0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:16.000 of a scientist. He should have traveled the world with me. 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.560 He should have lived, but you took him away. And 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:22.320 she points the gun at Paul, and Sophie says, I 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.040 have nothing without Nicholas. My life is over, and Marlow 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:27.000 tries to tell her that she'll find a way through it. 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:30.080 It feels bad now, but things will change. She's like, 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:31.800 how do you know have you lost a child? And 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:33.800 Marlow's like no, and Sophie's like okay, bitch. Then you 0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.840 don't know how I feel, and Marlow confesses, last year 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.680 I was diagnosed with cancer, very aggressive. I had a 0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:44.080 bilateral radical mistectomy. I had reconstructive surgery, but it wasn't 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.160 good enough for my lover. He wouldn't talk to me, 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:48.720 wouldn't look at me, wouldn't touch me. I died inside. 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.080 I couldn't work. I spent six months on the couch 0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.880 in my clothes, and I completely lost myself. She goes, 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:57.680 I know what this feels like. I mean, okay, and 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.600 she's like, it's not easy. You have to change. But 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:02.720 she's like, I came back to work here in my 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:06.280 last month was at SVU. I've really found myself. Sophie, 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:08.160 you can do that too. You can also come work 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:10.720 at the sex Crimes Unit and find yourself. No, she's like, 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.360 you can come back from this too, you can find 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:16.120 yourself again for Nicholas. Suddenly, Stabler, who's been listening in 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:19.840 the air shaft, his phone starts buzzing, So Sophie starts 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:22.880 randomly firing shots at the air shaft and Marlow is 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.440 trying to calm her down. Meanwhile, we see Stabler check 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:28.360 his flip phone and there's a text from Kragan that reads, 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:32.560 it was Paul. He hired Brandman, got a credit card 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:33.439 in Sophie's name. 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:35.200 Now yeah, I. 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:41.360 Literally wrote a masterclass in gaslighting. Like I'm not a 1:00:41.400 --> 1:00:44.240 fan of this guy, but holy shit, what an absolute 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:49.000 piece of garbage bottom shit, Like not only have you 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:52.320 are you responsible for this entire thing, but even as 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:54.760 she sits there waving a gun with a woman dying, 1:00:54.840 --> 1:00:58.880 you're still antagonizing her, trying to get her in her 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:03.360 psychosis to it a psychosis which you induced essentially through 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:07.800 the police and through killing her son. With your actions, 1:01:08.360 --> 1:01:11.080 you're trying to convince her to now go to jail 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:16.480 for your crimes. Like what a psychopath? And like if 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:18.760 he had just when he first got brought in by 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:22.720 the cops said, I was worried she was going to 1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:25.200 take him, so I got I paid this guy to 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:29.200 like take him. But let like let me call him 1:01:29.200 --> 1:01:30.760 and get him back for you, Like you didn't just 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:33.720 call the guy, like you had the guy's info. Why 1:01:33.760 --> 1:01:35.560 didn't you just call the guy and say, bring him 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.840 back to my house and run away? Like why did 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:41.440 you let this guy do Long Island? It's a lego, 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:46.000 It's full lego. It's full ego control power. It's just 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:50.120 like all the yeah quality. He just wanted to keep 1:01:50.160 --> 1:01:52.840 it going and like get her out, get her sent 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:53.240 to jail. 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.520 Essentially, yes, but in the guise of I want to 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:58.280 be with my son, but you don't give a fuck 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:00.240 about your son, Yeah, just. 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:03.680 Care about punishing her. Yeah. Oh it's so gross. 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:09.720 So now Stabler opens the vent on the air shaft 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:13.080 like full mission impossible, lowers himself into a refrigerated room 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.520 that's filled with like dead naked bodies, you know, for 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:19.880 at Melinda's house, and Marlowe is still trying to counsel 1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.520 Sophie or at least hold her off from murdering anyone else. 1:02:22.800 --> 1:02:25.280 Stabler busts into the room and before Sophie can shoot, 1:02:25.280 --> 1:02:26.720 he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm on your side. 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:29.680 I know you're innocent of the kidnapping, hiring Brandman the 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:31.720 credit card with her name on it. It was a setup. 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:34.520 I know you didn't do it, he says, Sophie. It's over, 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:37.480 put down the gun, let's go home. Then she realizes 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:39.120 that it was Paul who did it. Like that's why 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:42.760 I don't think a real cop would probably even try 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:44.880 to reason with her, because she would just kill him, 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:47.440 you know. She realizes it was Paul who did it, 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.200 and now they know, and she points the gun at 1:02:49.240 --> 1:02:51.440 him and he's groveling. He starts crying and saying, I 1:02:51.440 --> 1:02:53.920 didn't mean for this to happen. The crash was an accident. 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:56.640 She says, tell God in person and puts the gun 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:58.920 to his head, and Stabler yells Sophie know, and then 1:02:58.960 --> 1:03:02.960 Marlow says no, Sophie, and the camera pans over to 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:07.880 Marlow holding dead Nicholas swaddled in a morg sheet, and 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:09.040 it's it's just. 1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:11.560 So fucking bonkers, Like the moment is bonkers. 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:14.440 She's just holding a dead eight year old, going, your 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.080 son needs you, and it's like I thought we were 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:16.800 done with this game. 1:03:17.080 --> 1:03:18.080 Like she knows he's dead. 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:21.959 Sophie drops the gun, Sabler grabs it and shuttles Paul 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:22.680 out of the room. 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:25.040 Marlow hands Nicholas to her. 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:26.960 She cradles him and speaks to him in French to 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:29.200 Tim and then starts singing like kind of a wordless 1:03:29.280 --> 1:03:32.800 lullaby to him. Stabler and Benson look shook as fuck, 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.280 like they are like, oh my god, what we've put 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:37.400 this woman through, what this woman has gone through in 1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:40.240 the last twelve hours, Like, well, it's not even been 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:41.720 that long. She's in the same outfit that she was 1:03:41.760 --> 1:03:42.560 in when they brought her in. 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:45.400 Yeah, and now everyone thinks that you did it and 1:03:45.440 --> 1:03:47.120 you're crazy because then a part of me is like, 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:49.160 I like to defend women. But then when she was going, 1:03:49.200 --> 1:03:52.200 you know, hand Morgue, I was like, she is crazy. Yeah, yeah, 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:55.400 something to really worry about. And then fucking find out 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:58.720 that twist and she was gonna steal him. But again, 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:01.080 I feel like that's all part of the fact. 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:04.280 I'm glad that he's somehow he was willing to kill 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:04.720 his son. 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:08.680 He somehow finagled her losing custody, and that would make 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:11.640 me feel insane as well, like all I've done is 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:13.920 travel for my work and now you're you know, like, 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.800 I don't know, it's it's really fucked up anyway. That's 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:21.320 dick wolf baby, that's that's that episode shattered a wild one. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:24.480 I know nothing about any of the real cases, and 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:26.840 you have a lot of info to tell us, So 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:27.800 let's get going. 1:04:35.440 --> 1:04:39.400 Okay, So listen, do I have a bad habit? I do. 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:43.800 I there's three crimes, and one of them I fully 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:47.000 did all the research and then I went, huh, this 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:50.000 has nothing to do with the episode. So I had 1:04:50.000 --> 1:04:52.080 one of those, and every time this happens to me, 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:53.680 I'm like, girl, you gotta be better. 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:55.600 But then I just get interested. 1:04:55.640 --> 1:04:57.120 And then I was like, oh, let's see if this 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:00.400 case is in any other episode, we could could just 1:05:00.520 --> 1:05:00.800 use it. 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:03.040 But it wasn't, and we have to hear about it. 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:06.280 But there's two cases that pertain and one maybe you 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:10.040 can figure out, Okay, maybe you can see the connection. Okay, 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.760 but it's the cat. But we, you know, we like 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.560 to learn about this stuff, so it's fine. So this 1:05:15.680 --> 1:05:18.640 is the case of a sluty and I hope I'm 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:20.520 saying it right. I just don't want to say slutty. 1:05:20.800 --> 1:05:23.080 That would be kind of wild. So I'm going to 1:05:23.120 --> 1:05:27.200 assume it's sluty and sluty case. So Anthony Zappa is 1:05:27.520 --> 1:05:29.800 twenty nine years old at the time of this case. 1:05:29.880 --> 1:05:33.800 He's also known as Anthony Stephen right, and at this point, 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:37.760 he's you know, wanted on a five state man hunt search, 1:05:37.960 --> 1:05:41.120 like everyone is looking for him. He has charges that 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:46.360 include assault, theft, gun of violations in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Louisiana. 1:05:46.480 --> 1:05:49.320 He's from Minnesota. It's you know, he's he's out there 1:05:49.320 --> 1:05:52.080 and he's wanted. And at what point they had to 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:54.400 close down all of them, all of America because he 1:05:54.520 --> 1:05:58.680 was spotted like a dangerous dude. And then Anna was 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.800 a seventeen year old honor student, a pole vault on 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:05.680 her school track team, and she was abducted in the 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:11.520 mall in Carny, Nebraska. He punched her repeatedly, shoved her 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:14.440 into a blue suburban outside the mall, and there are 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.160 witnesses who saw the abduction in her getting punched on 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:20.000 April sixth, two thousand and one. She did what he 1:06:20.080 --> 1:06:21.920 told her to do because she didn't want to get 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:25.040 hurt again and he had weapons. After she was taken, 1:06:25.480 --> 1:06:27.360 she was able to make calls to her parents and 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:29.960 a friend, which is wild, but the parents said that, 1:06:30.480 --> 1:06:31.920 you know, she said she was all right, but the 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.200 mother said she could feel that someone was close by 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:37.160 and the girl was, you know, in trouble. She could 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:42.480 tell someone was pressuring, so she was able to call nine. Also, 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:44.680 this girl was able to call nine one one and 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:46.840 the call did go through, and that helped trace to 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:49.840 a cabin near Yellowstone National Park, but by the time 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:51.560 police got there, it was empty. 1:06:52.320 --> 1:06:53.000 She was gone. 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.560 There's a lot of conflicting reports, but from five to 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:59.320 seven days he took her from Nebraska all the way 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:02.600 to Montana, hundreds of miles away. Very very scary, you know, 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:06.800 going to another location's cross state lines. And she was 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:09.560 a really smart girl. She left the trail of evidence 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:12.960 for authorities to follow. During her time being captive, she 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:17.400 left clothing, bloody tissues, and trash cansa in rural Montana 1:07:17.600 --> 1:07:20.240 cabins and just like she was just leaving shit everywhere 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:24.200 that she could. She also scratched her name and date 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:26.880 on a book left in another cabin, and left a 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:30.160 chain that's used to tie her up in the car. 1:07:31.080 --> 1:07:34.080 Authorities were able to link him through a stolen SUV 1:07:34.360 --> 1:07:38.200 believed used in the kidnapping. They found it abandoned in Montana, 1:07:38.400 --> 1:07:40.400 not far from where a blue Toyota to her cell 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.760 had then been stolen, and a concerned citizen then called 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:47.880 police with suspicious activities in a summer cabin, and when 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.760 the cops arrived, they found a like the Toyota to 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:54.920 her cell, parked right around there on Flathead Lake. So 1:07:55.120 --> 1:07:58.280 the police then get to the cabin where you know 1:07:58.320 --> 1:08:02.320 they're holed up, and he finally surrendered, But that whole night, 1:08:02.400 --> 1:08:04.960 Anna spent time negotiating with police. He would not speak 1:08:04.960 --> 1:08:08.720 to police, so Anna was like the negotiator and oh, 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:12.560 maybe it's about negotiation, Okay. So then Mike Sergeant is 1:08:12.960 --> 1:08:15.320 part of the Lake County Sheriff's office. He told Good 1:08:15.320 --> 1:08:19.720 Morning America that she did an outstanding job, that she 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:21.680 just all the contact was with her and it was 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:25.320 a ten hours standoff and she was very clever, very brave, 1:08:25.400 --> 1:08:29.800 and was very instrumental in persuading Zappa to surrender. His 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:33.040 only two demands was that him not get shot by 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:35.760 the officers, which I guess is fair, and then he 1:08:35.880 --> 1:08:39.160 wanted to serve his time in prison in Minnesota, which 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:41.320 I like these demands. I really hate when they I 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:43.680 want a pizza, but maybe that's in the movies, but 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:48.080 we have watched episodes where they want helicopters snacks just 1:08:48.120 --> 1:08:49.160 on private. 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:50.360 Shets, yeah, like. 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.559 No, this guy, It was like this is where I'll 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:56.280 go to jail. Please don't murder me right now, iahree. 1:08:56.400 --> 1:09:01.040 And that's I like, you know, I like him reasonable. 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:04.280 So he could have asked for like one thing. Okay, 1:09:04.320 --> 1:09:07.920 So sergeant is also quoted in ABC News that she 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:11.320 was very relieved at being freed, which I think is 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:15.599 you know, expected, she was relieved being saved. I don't 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.679 know why that's you know, arising quote. 1:09:19.200 --> 1:09:21.439 She was pissed, like, you know, I'm sure. 1:09:21.280 --> 1:09:22.280 She was related. 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:24.080 I didn't have to be with a kidnapper anymore. 1:09:24.080 --> 1:09:25.840 I'll tell you that that was all big weight off 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:27.760 my shoulders. 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:31.000 April twelfth, two thousand and one, ABC News reported at 1:09:31.000 --> 1:09:33.439 one twenty eight am that the kidnapper, who eluded police 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:36.800 for two months, surrendered peacefully. She was reunited with her 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:39.080 family and friends, and she got off a private jet. 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:40.559 I mean, this is a cool scene. 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:42.760 Like obviously she's been through a lot, but like she 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.800 gets off a private jet and an FBI baseball cap 1:09:45.880 --> 1:09:48.120 and a bruise under her right eye, which sucks, but 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.360 it is a really badass image. 1:09:50.680 --> 1:09:54.479 Now was this guy, Like, was this guy kidnapping her 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:58.720 kind of just to hold her, just to hold off 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:00.519 the cops, right because he was wan for so many 1:10:00.520 --> 1:10:02.360 other crimes, right or. 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.160 It was his last big crime. I mean, he did go, 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:09.160 he did do bad things to her. Oh he did okay, okay, sorry, sorry, 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:12.960 So I think just I think just a career criminal, 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:16.960 looney tune evil. So I mean they all shriet, they 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:19.719 were happy to see her. And so then during the trial, 1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:24.040 Sludy gave a tearful testimony where she described being sexually 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:27.479 assaulted by him while detained. Of course, his lawyer did 1:10:27.479 --> 1:10:29.720 the classic BU can't oh you had sex with him 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:32.720 willingly because that's something that makes sense, that totally makes sense. Good. 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:36.840 David Stickman is a federal public defender, and during cross 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:41.400 examination he asked her why she didn't escape, and she said, 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:43.640 according to the press and Dakotin, I mean I was 1:10:43.680 --> 1:10:46.439 in some small town papers. I didn't think I had 1:10:46.439 --> 1:10:48.879 an opportunity where I wouldn't get hurt, where he wouldn't 1:10:48.920 --> 1:10:51.240 catch me, kill me or beat me. Like, to be 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:53.840 to have the wherewithal to be able to think this 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:58.680 slowly and pragmatically while you're in this scary situation is incredible. 1:10:59.080 --> 1:11:03.240 And then to have a lower use it as like, oh, 1:11:03.360 --> 1:11:04.880 you wanted to stay, why didn't you? 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:05.160 Yeah? 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:08.920 Is like so like even to think that is so brave. 1:11:09.000 --> 1:11:12.519 He's also bringing her to like these states like Montana, Nebraska, 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:14.479 like I'm sure remote areas where it's like, what is 1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:16.880 she gonna run for twenty miles until she finds someone 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:20.479 to help her, like a cabin in Yellowstone, Like what 1:11:20.720 --> 1:11:21.720 where are you escaping to? 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.360 Good fucking you know, stick me. 1:11:25.720 --> 1:11:27.919 But because also what I don't like about this attorney 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:30.759 is like with you know, if you're making big money, okay, 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:33.640 but it's like you're a you're a public servant for 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.320 the evil. So it's like you're not even you don't 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:39.160 even have a nice car, Like you're just doing. 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:41.080 That Like your job should just be to like find 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:43.599 out if this guy had like a like a mental 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:45.800 disease or defect, and like try to not get him 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:48.120 the death penalty. I always say, my uncle's a death 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:50.880 a public defender, and he's like, I'm just trying to 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:52.840 get people to not have the death penalty, that's all. 1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:55.719 Like most of the time he's like, I've had innocent clients, 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.880 but when they are not, I just I'm trying to 1:11:58.920 --> 1:12:01.160 not have them get the death penalty, not like make 1:12:01.240 --> 1:12:03.960 up things that a rape victim was along for a 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:05.200 fun ride, you know. 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:09.920 Yeah, And even from his opening arguments, he claimed that 1:12:10.000 --> 1:12:12.960 Anne consented to leave with this man and she could 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:15.560 have escaped. He claimed too, that her voice on the 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:18.760 nine one one call was too calm and collected, and 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:21.280 that it's not the voice of someone that's been subjected 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:23.960 to abuse, because he knows how people should be acting. 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:26.960 He also didn't get why she didn't use any of 1:12:27.000 --> 1:12:29.960 the weapons that he had, and she was like, because 1:12:30.000 --> 1:12:32.040 I thought I could get hurt, Like, what are you 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:35.880 not understanding? She fucking survived this. And on top of 1:12:35.920 --> 1:12:38.040 all this, Anthony was acting a fool in court. 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:39.679 He yelled at the judge. 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:44.800 He called him Captain Kangaroo, and he screamed that Nebraska's prejudiced. 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:48.360 This man is white, you know, but Jewish. The judge 1:12:48.400 --> 1:12:48.920 was Jewish. 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:51.639 I don't know. He also yelled, I hope you all rot. 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:56.040 So the federal judge, Warren Herbaum, said that Anthony can 1:12:56.080 --> 1:12:58.559 watch the trial on a TV through a video link 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:01.280 and will have complete access to his lawyers. 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:02.559 But don't worry. 1:13:02.600 --> 1:13:04.600 He was brought back in court just in time for 1:13:04.640 --> 1:13:08.320 her to take the stand. He blamed pills on his 1:13:08.439 --> 1:13:12.040 behavior in court, though she I mean continued to describe 1:13:12.479 --> 1:13:15.519 being hog tied, stuffed in a trunk. He threatened to 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:17.920 torture and kill hersh and she feared for her life. 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:20.640 He beat her and sexually assaulted her. And outside of 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:23.599 the testimony, there was a lot of evidence. His DNA 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:26.519 was on her clothing that she wore when she was taken. 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:29.040 Her hair was found on duct tape that was found 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:32.639 inside of the vehicle used in her kidnapping, her blood 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:35.600 was on tissues found inside a Montana cabin, and his 1:13:35.760 --> 1:13:39.200 DNA matched stemen stains found on three items of clothing 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:42.760 that prosecutor says she wore after she was assaulted by 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:45.840 him and helps captive. And this is all confirmed by 1:13:45.880 --> 1:13:49.679 Brendan Shay, and he's a forensic scientist for the FBI. 1:13:50.120 --> 1:13:52.080 I want to say, as a Lisa where everyone thinks 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:54.519 it's Eliza, I feel like being a Brandon Brendan is 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:57.400 really hard in the world as well, because I've I 1:13:57.520 --> 1:14:00.240 can never keep it straight for people I enjoy. 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:02.320 Cannot. It really fucks me up. 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.080 He did receive a life sentence, and he had to 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:07.440 pay only forty thousand dollars in restitution. 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:09.479 I don't know. I think they could have upped that. 1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:12.760 Anne's mother was quoted in court that she felt like 1:14:12.920 --> 1:14:15.759 justice was served and that it was a tremendous relief. 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:19.559 And that's according to a local ABC seven affiliate in Omaha. 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:22.360 He was not charged with the assault, but he got 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:25.880 life in prison or whatever. His attorney, one of the attorney, 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:29.680 James Martin Davis, said this is interesting. Okay, So he 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:33.120 said that forty years would be adequate. And this is 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:37.599 a first he goes because if someday he walked out 1:14:37.600 --> 1:14:40.479 of jail or a penitentiary, he would know in his 1:14:40.560 --> 1:14:43.639 own mind then and only then what he had truly 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:50.720 sacrificed for his conduct a good lawyer. Because that is interesting. 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.439 But no, forty years isn't enough and he cannot be trusted, 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:56.439 thank you very much. And then at twenty five, our 1:14:56.479 --> 1:15:00.320 girl she graduated from Rosehlman Institute of Technology and became 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:02.960 an engineer, and we all hope that she is thriving. 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:06.479 Good for her. Sorry, was this the one you think 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:07.400 wasn't connected? 1:15:07.760 --> 1:15:09.760 Of course? Why was this on the wiki? I feel 1:15:09.760 --> 1:15:11.200 like I had to write it and say we have 1:15:11.240 --> 1:15:13.120 to take it out of the wiki, like and it's 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:15.519 my fault, Like usually I do remember, and I checked, 1:15:15.520 --> 1:15:17.200 and I'm like, make sure it's the right one before 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:20.800 you dive in but in this I was like, huh, well, 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:21.560 that's interesting. 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:24.280 It feels more like it should have been for the 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:28.400 episode where the little girl puts her headphones inside the 1:15:28.560 --> 1:15:30.400 seats so that they can find her. It's like the 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:35.000 girl like was such a good like leaving a breadcrumbs 1:15:35.000 --> 1:15:35.840 for the authorities. 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:38.280 But now and I search to see if it like 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:41.080 fit any of the other episodes. But like, I'm also 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.759 wondering who's falsely putting these things in the wiki? 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:48.599 And but it is like a kidnapping. There is an 1:15:48.600 --> 1:15:51.400 interesting case. Yeah, there is a kidnapping. There was a negotiation. 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:53.360 I guess whatever, let's get to the other ones. 1:15:53.840 --> 1:15:58.320 Okay, So this is the case of Alice Krimins. 1:15:58.640 --> 1:15:59.040 Okay. 1:15:59.080 --> 1:16:03.280 So on July fourteenth, nineteen sixty five, Eddie Junior five 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:07.240 and Alice Marie Crimmins, and they called her Missy, aged four, 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:11.599 they disappeared from their q Garden Hills home in Queen's 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:12.920 and they were found murdered. 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:15.439 So the dad Edmund I know. 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:17.960 Is a thirty five was a thirty five year old 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:20.800 airplane mechanic, and it said that he called police at 1:16:20.800 --> 1:16:24.120 eleven am to report the disappearance of the children after 1:16:24.200 --> 1:16:27.960 receiving frantic calls from his estranged wife, Alice Crimmins. And 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:30.439 this is according to the NYC Department of Records and 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:33.639 Information Services. But then according to the New York Times 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:36.320 article from nineteen seventy, it says that the kids were 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:40.200 reported missing by the mother early morning of July fourteenth, 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:45.280 when they weren't in their beds early morning, so that 1:16:45.360 --> 1:16:47.680 you know, there's a little mystery already at like what 1:16:47.840 --> 1:16:51.720 is going on here? The children were found at separate locations. 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:55.519 Alice Marie was found the next day, an Edmund, who 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:58.880 is five, was found five days later. And so the couple, 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:01.439 the mom and dad, they were in a very angry 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:04.840 and bitter divorce. They were married November eighth, nineteen fifty eight. 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:08.880 They were separated February nineteen sixty four, and this is 1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:11.360 during the time that the children disappeared from the apartment, 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:13.759 between midnight and nine am, which. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:14.679 Is a giant gap. 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:20.040 After the children were found, the couple did reconcile. They 1:17:20.080 --> 1:17:23.960 reconciled with their sadness, but then separated again August nineteen 1:17:24.000 --> 1:17:27.080 sixty nine and then divorced a week later. She was 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:29.720 very attractive, She was a party girl. She had like 1:17:29.760 --> 1:17:32.760 a main boyfriend named Anthony Grace, and she loved to 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:36.000 drink and dance, and these things obviously like had a 1:17:36.000 --> 1:17:37.680 negative impact on the public. 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:39.920 Perception of her. You know, it is what it is. 1:17:40.000 --> 1:17:42.760 She was a queen's cocktail waitress, and you know they 1:17:42.760 --> 1:17:46.040 called her the swinger of the century and a murderess, and. 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:47.400 You know it was. 1:17:48.280 --> 1:17:51.120 It was sallacious, and she became the number one suspect 1:17:51.160 --> 1:17:54.759 in their death. Anthony Grace testified that they were actually 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.439 having an affair at the time, so when the kids 1:17:57.439 --> 1:17:59.720 were kidnapped and murdered, so it could not have been her, 1:18:00.200 --> 1:18:04.639 and we do love an affair alibi. So September nineteen 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.320 sixty seven, with very little evidence, there was an indictment 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:10.479 filed against her by the Queen's County District Attorney's office 1:18:10.479 --> 1:18:13.160 for the murder of her daughter. She was convicted in 1:18:13.240 --> 1:18:17.200 nineteen sixty eight, but then overturned on appeal because three 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:20.599 jurors made an unauthorized visit to the scene of the crime. 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:22.200 Bad Boys. 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:25.360 In nineteen seventy one, she was convicted of the murder 1:18:25.400 --> 1:18:28.200 of her son and then the manslaughter of her daughter. 1:18:28.800 --> 1:18:31.240 Because we'll get into it, but it's double jeopardy. They 1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:35.880 couldn't do it again after those charges were dismissed because 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:39.040 it is obviously a lesser charge. And then the prosecution 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:41.840 wanted to establish that missus Crimmins killed her daughter in 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:45.080 a fit of anger, and then with the aid of gangsters, 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.880 had her son killed because he had witnessed the strangulation 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:50.960 of his sister. So this is like very Jean Benet 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:54.720 before Jean Benet in terms of like the theories. And 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:58.880 then that murder charge against her son was reversed by 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:02.559 the Appellate Division because the Appellate Division of State Supreme 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:05.920 Court ruled that the prosecution had failed to prove beyond 1:19:06.000 --> 1:19:07.680 a shadow of a doubt that the death of her 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:10.720 son had in fact resulted from a criminal act. But 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:13.840 the courts did confirm the manslaughter conviction in May nineteen 1:19:13.880 --> 1:19:17.519 seventy five, and so then she was finally released time 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:21.799 served YadA, YadA, and out on parole in nineteen seventy seven. 1:19:23.120 --> 1:19:26.400 It's like complicated because if she did murder her children, 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:28.400 it's like I want her to have more time. But 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.680 if she was just the number one suspect because she 1:19:30.720 --> 1:19:33.080 was a drunk party girl, then like, what's going on? 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:35.439 Here right, And also how could they not prove that 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:38.080 the Sun's death was caused by a murder? 1:19:38.120 --> 1:19:39.800 Like like what were the forensics? 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:42.120 I wonder, you know, like if he wasn't in his bed, 1:19:42.320 --> 1:19:43.519 there's no natural causes. 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:45.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:49.080 All the trials and appeals ended up spanning ten years 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:52.839 and it and I already yeah, it's the double jeopardy rules. 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:56.280 And during this span she would make bail, so she 1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:59.160 was out during these times. And she had a very 1:19:59.200 --> 1:20:02.200 active dating life while she was living with her mother 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:04.439 at the Bronx, and she just like went out on 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:07.600 dates all the time. And she was also known to 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:11.400 have like outbursts in court. She's screaming, I didn't kill 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:14.519 my children. She leaped from her chair at one point 1:20:14.520 --> 1:20:19.560 and lunch towards a witness, screaming, you liar. Sophie Ermonsky 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:22.040 went to smoke a cigarette out the window of her 1:20:22.080 --> 1:20:24.600 apartment the night all of this went down, and she 1:20:24.760 --> 1:20:27.839 claims to have seen three people and a dog walking 1:20:28.160 --> 1:20:30.080 and the man was yelling at her to be faster, 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:32.479 but the dog was pregnant, and so then the man 1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:35.880 was holding a bundle and they were arguing about the 1:20:35.880 --> 1:20:39.519 pregnant dog. And then the man threw the bundle into 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:42.120 the car and the woman said, please don't do that 1:20:42.240 --> 1:20:45.920 to her, and then they fought. And so this woman, 1:20:46.439 --> 1:20:49.719 this neighbor, she wrote this anonymous letter fourteen months later 1:20:49.720 --> 1:20:53.120 to the DA's office with this. And then another witness 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:56.400 was a contractor that she dated named Joseph Rourk, and 1:20:56.520 --> 1:20:59.000 he testified that she had confessed to killing her daughter, 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:03.280 but did not mention the sun. And then another court 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:09.240 evidenced nugget was in the girl's stomach was undigested, carrots, peaches, 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:13.599 and noodles. Okay, but the mom kept yelling in court 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:17.240 that she bought veal parmesan that day, and so it 1:21:17.240 --> 1:21:19.920 couldn't have been her because she was planning on giving 1:21:19.960 --> 1:21:20.880 them veal parmesan. 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:22.559 She didn't have these items. 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:26.719 And also there were possible traces of sexual abuse found 1:21:26.760 --> 1:21:30.080 in the autopsy. And so when Edmund was on the stand, 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.800 the prosecution asked him, did you murder your children? And 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:36.680 he replied no, and neither did my wife. And so 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:38.920 he said that on the stand. And that's according to 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:42.439 the New York Times. And obviously this woman was hot 1:21:42.520 --> 1:21:45.479 because she's out here, you know, killing kids. These men 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:48.400 want a dater. She's like out and about. People were 1:21:48.479 --> 1:21:52.080 ready to watch. There were lines around. At seven am 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:54.680 they would start, people would bring lunch with them. At 1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:56.519 a am, the doors would open to the court and 1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:58.400 people would run up to try to get like the 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:00.800 best seat they could. And it was all different types 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.560 of people would come to watch this court case. Housewives, 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:09.280 law students, court buffs, hippies, practicing attorneys, truck drivers, businessmen, 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:12.400 but only sixty people could get in. And it's wild 1:22:12.439 --> 1:22:15.200 how little society has changed. Because The New York Times 1:22:15.200 --> 1:22:17.880 did interviews with these people, and one woman said, I 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:20.519 can't imagine a mom killing a kid, but a woman 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:23.280 like that, well, it makes it easier to understand. 1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:27.200 And it's like, you know what, because she's fucking I 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:27.559 don't know. 1:22:27.920 --> 1:22:31.599 And then another woman said, no, I'm also a mother 1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:33.920 of six, and I think it's fucked up that she's 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:36.920 being judged on her sex life and morals. She's being 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:40.839 crucified by the public opinion. And during her time in prison, 1:22:41.080 --> 1:22:44.320 she was this is wild. She was part of a 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:47.599 work release program where she left the facility every day 1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:50.320 at ten am and had to return by eight pm, 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:54.360 and she could even leave on the weekends, and she 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.759 was staying at Parkside Residential Facility at ten Mount Morris 1:22:57.800 --> 1:23:00.840 Park West in Harlem on the weekends. So she was 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:03.960 like working as a secretary. I get the work really okay. 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:06.000 One I have a friend that was on work release. 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:10.439 But it was like, d why this is murder right right? 1:23:11.040 --> 1:23:13.560 Also okay to work it's a work release, you're in 1:23:13.600 --> 1:23:16.760 minimum security whatever, but like to then get to go 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:17.960 out on the weekends. 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:20.160 Yeah, that's so, I've never heard of that. 1:23:21.080 --> 1:23:22.840 So she ended up serving five of the five to 1:23:22.880 --> 1:23:25.240 twenty she was sentenced to for the murderer of the daughter, 1:23:25.439 --> 1:23:28.200 you know, finally the manslaughter charge. She was in a 1:23:28.200 --> 1:23:31.200 minimum security prison, like I said, and on her way 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:34.719 out she was smiling and exchanging goodbyes with the correction workers. 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:38.400 The Queen's DA John J. Santucci. 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:41.880 I can't even think of a more Queen's das man 1:23:41.920 --> 1:23:45.640 than DA Santucci. And he begged the parole board to 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:48.479 reject her request for parole and to remove her from 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:51.040 the work release program, but everyone said get out of here, 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.320 and so she got out of prison, and she ended 1:23:53.400 --> 1:23:56.200 up marrying her boyfriend Anthony, who visited her regularly. Well, 1:23:56.280 --> 1:23:58.519 she was in prison and he was rich as fuck, 1:23:59.000 --> 1:24:01.160 Like on the weekends during her release, she was on 1:24:01.200 --> 1:24:03.639 a yacht all summer long. She was on a yacht 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:07.000 during the weekends during her time from jail. What the fuck? 1:24:08.000 --> 1:24:11.400 After she got out, they moved down to Florida, and 1:24:11.439 --> 1:24:14.120 there's never really been a definitive answer to who committed 1:24:14.160 --> 1:24:17.160 these murders of these children and what happened and nothing. 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:22.200 Oh my gosh, that's nuts. Oh poor babies. 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:29.360 Yeah, yeah, I really wonder. Okay, So the next case 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:31.920 is a sunni you know, what is it? 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:32.400 What is it? 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:37.639 State University, New York, Albany hostage situation committed by Ralph 1:24:37.840 --> 1:24:41.120 Tortorichi Tortorichi, Torturici. 1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:43.479 It's toder Ichi torter Rici. 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:46.680 I'm like sounding it out like a top child, but 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:49.040 I just want Tortolini now, and this is killing me. 1:24:49.280 --> 1:24:49.679 Okay. 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:53.360 So thirty five students at the State University showed up 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:57.320 December fifteenth, nineteen ninety four, to class on the last 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:01.479 day of history of Ancient Greece. They ended up being 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:03.640 held hostage for two and a half hours by a 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:07.240 psychology student with a rifle who was ranting about micro 1:25:07.400 --> 1:25:10.200 chips in his brain. And what's wild is this is 1:25:10.280 --> 1:25:13.080 nineteen ninety four, so I'm sure this was really shocking 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:16.000 and huge, but this is truly like such a daily 1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:20.920 occurrence now that I wonder. I don't know, it's just 1:25:21.120 --> 1:25:25.080 is strange. So the standoff began at nine am as 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:29.200 a professor Hans Poulsander was starting his history lesson on 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:33.000 ancient Greece. Mister Poulsander scanned the hall and saw tour 1:25:33.080 --> 1:25:35.519 Turichi standing in the rear and asked, oh, are you 1:25:35.600 --> 1:25:38.240 part of this class? And at that moment, he pulled 1:25:38.240 --> 1:25:42.400 out a two seventy caliber Remington rifle from his Duffel bag. 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:45.360 He had over two dozen rounds of ammunition in the bag. 1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:48.240 He threatened to kill the students and demanded speaking to 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:53.600 President Clinton, Governor Mario Cuomo, and members of Congress. He 1:25:53.640 --> 1:25:57.040 wanted to speak to the university president. He wanted a 1:25:57.040 --> 1:26:01.200 big meeting with the financial aid officials. Lisa Kramer, who 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:03.840 was a student in that room, said she like told 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:07.880 the Times that he was basically mad because they wouldn't 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:10.240 give him his degree or something. So that's what she 1:26:10.320 --> 1:26:12.679 boiled it down to, like he didn't get his degree, 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:15.599 and he was pissed. And then two students that started 1:26:15.640 --> 1:26:20.280 crying hysterically, he allowed them to leave. So he he 1:26:20.320 --> 1:26:24.800 teetered between like menace and kind. He let the professor leave, 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:27.559 he left three other He let three other students leave 1:26:27.600 --> 1:26:30.720 as well, but he said that he demanded from those 1:26:30.720 --> 1:26:35.360 students that they deliver messages to Clinton and others. Several 1:26:35.360 --> 1:26:38.520 hostages said his vibe, like I said, went from agitated 1:26:38.600 --> 1:26:42.000 to calm. He was sharing cigarettes. At one point, he 1:26:42.120 --> 1:26:45.280 demanded that the police bring in snacks and sodas for everyone. 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:48.200 He sat down and ate a sandwich and drank a 1:26:48.280 --> 1:26:52.040 soda while he told everyone to study. And the professor 1:26:52.160 --> 1:26:55.320 ended up being able to alert campus police around nine 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:59.240 thirty am. So at eleven thirty am, the things have changed. 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:02.360 So at nine the cops are alerted. They're out there. 1:27:02.600 --> 1:27:07.360 You know, shit is going down inside. Turtuchi ordered this guy, 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:13.360 Jason Mechanenny, who is from Hicksville and Nassau County. So 1:27:13.360 --> 1:27:17.680 so this guy ordered Jason to separate from two other 1:27:17.760 --> 1:27:21.160 students and stand near the front of the room. And 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:24.479 as this was happening, like Jason said that throughout like 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:26.600 he was taunting him and threatening him a lot so 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:28.559 in his head, he's like, Okay, this dude wants to 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.160 kill me, Like he is really giving me a lot 1:27:31.200 --> 1:27:34.840 of attention. Basically, the threats included like I'm gonna shoot 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:38.000 you in your head multiple times. So he just felt 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:41.160 extra threatened by the gunman and that's why he felt 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:44.000 like he had to act. And so while he was 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.559 being moved, he just like took it in that moment 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:49.559 to attack and try to get the gun. So he 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:53.080 like grabbed the gun and it shot into his upper leg, 1:27:53.439 --> 1:27:56.639 groin and abdomen in one one shot. 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:57.599 Oh my god. 1:27:57.960 --> 1:28:00.599 So he like grabbed the rifle, he disliked it from 1:28:00.640 --> 1:28:03.880 the gunman's grip, and it like shot in his abdomen, crutch, 1:28:04.040 --> 1:28:07.960 thigh this, and so that's when the standoff ended. So 1:28:08.120 --> 1:28:11.400 this nineteen year old sophomore from Long Island lunged at 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:14.200 this gunman and then so he's wounded, and then other 1:28:14.240 --> 1:28:17.639 people from the class jumped in and began to wrestle 1:28:17.680 --> 1:28:20.719 the gunman to the ground. His injuries were really bad, 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:23.839 you know, it did result in his inability to father children. 1:28:24.400 --> 1:28:27.000 And the testimony was so bad that one of the 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:31.879 jurors like in the trial fainted and he was excused 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:35.760 from duty, like the incident was bad. Only twelve days 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:39.880 out from the shooting, he'd already had seven operations, so 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:43.840 it was intense. One student then kicked him in the face, 1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:47.360 another pushed him into the wall, three others helped him 1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:52.960 hold him down, and then heavily armed police officers poured 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:56.320 into the room. So after there was a student hero shot, 1:28:56.439 --> 1:28:59.679 after students were kicking him, pulling him, holding him down, 1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:02.120 that when the police decided to enter. 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:03.720 And it just makes me. 1:29:03.720 --> 1:29:08.280 Feel like, think about the Valdi situation and like pumping 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:12.439 fucking hand sanitizer into their hand as like kids are 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:12.880 being shot. 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:14.599 It's like, so it's just so fucked up. 1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:18.040 And that's why I'm annoyed that it was made to 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:21.080 feel like we had to feel so bad for, you know, 1:29:21.200 --> 1:29:23.720 forty five getting shot When I'm like, I don't know, 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:26.639 none of you care about schools of children getting shot, 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:29.840 Like there's no empathy there, But suddenly I have to 1:29:29.880 --> 1:29:33.760 be like, oh no, and it's yeah, I fucking hate it, 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:35.080 so yeah, I just can't. 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:35.479 I don't know. 1:29:35.560 --> 1:29:38.080 It's like the cops aren't preventing the crime, and then 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:40.960 they're also not helping the crime. And then they're coming in. 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:44.439 After all, these students risk their lives. So Albany police 1:29:44.720 --> 1:29:48.040 arrested Ralph J. Trderici at twenty six years old and 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:51.680 charged him with attempted murder. While he was escorted out 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:54.200 in cuffs, he yelled stap government experimentation. 1:29:54.640 --> 1:29:56.400 And that's according to The New York Times. 1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:59.600 The cops said that he was angry, lots of irrational 1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:03.679 thoughts throughout the nearly two hours of negotiation. Very little 1:30:03.720 --> 1:30:05.920 is known about this dude, and he did have enough 1:30:05.920 --> 1:30:09.280 credits to graduate, and there's absolutely no record of conflicts 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:12.559 involving him in the university, So I know it's not 1:30:12.680 --> 1:30:15.720 about that. I really do think this man suffers from schizophrenia. 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:19.160 But he did have a police record. He was arrested 1:30:19.200 --> 1:30:21.960 with possession of a small amount of crack, so also crack, 1:30:22.439 --> 1:30:24.200 but he didn't have drugs on him that day and 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:26.280 he did not appear to be under the influence when 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:29.360 he was taken into custody. He was convicted January twelfth, 1:30:29.439 --> 1:30:32.240 nineteen ninety six, by a jury who found him legally, 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.920 sane and responsible for his actions in less than two 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:39.479 hours of deliberation. Wonder said that they definitely thought that 1:30:39.560 --> 1:30:41.800 he was mentally disturbed, but did not think that he 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:45.639 fit the legal definition of insanity. But his defense attorney, 1:30:45.800 --> 1:30:49.120 Catherine Case, said during the trial he was diagnosed as 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:52.800 a paranoid schizophrenic, which I was thinking, like, I said, like, 1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:55.000 that's all that came to me, Like he thinks there's 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:57.000 microchips by the government and he wants to talk to 1:30:57.040 --> 1:31:01.920 President Clinton, like yeah, something like I don't understand why 1:31:01.960 --> 1:31:05.400 he was found mentally sane and legally saying I really 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:08.560 don't understand that. So he was sent to a psychiatric 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:12.160 center after his arrest, but the doctor's there deemed him 1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:14.800 mentally fit to stand trial, So he was tried in 1:31:14.880 --> 1:31:18.840 State Supreme Court in Albany without a competency hearing, and 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:22.160 he was found guilty on two counts of assault, four 1:31:22.200 --> 1:31:25.880 counts of kidnapping, four counts of reckless endangerment, criminal use 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:28.800 of a firearm, and criminal possession of a weapon. He 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:32.680 was acquitted on three counts of attempted murder, and he 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:35.280 was facing twenty years in a state prison, which I 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:39.040 actually think is kind of low. He was sentenced February seventeenth, 1:31:39.120 --> 1:31:42.719 nineteen ninety six to fifteen and two thirds to twenty 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:47.799 seven years. The State Court of Appeals ruled in February 1:31:47.840 --> 1:31:50.720 nineteen ninety nine that he had been properly tried, and 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:54.679 then he was actually found dead in his cell August tenth, 1:31:54.880 --> 1:31:58.360 nineteen ninety nine. He took his own life and tied 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:01.799 himself to a shelf in his cell with a bedsheet 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:06.880 at the maximum security Sullivan Correctional Facility in Fallsburg, which 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:09.920 is seventy miles northwest of New York City. But it 1:32:10.000 --> 1:32:13.400 fucking makes sense because this motherfucker's schizophrenia and he was 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:16.639 going to spend his life in prison, and he maybe 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:19.720 was medicated realized what he did, maybe not, Like I 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:24.600 don't know, but it's just some you know, And I 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:27.280 also wonder like what have would that have man have been? 1:32:27.600 --> 1:32:30.840 You know, I'm really sad the guy got shot. I 1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:32.960 know he tried to sue the school. I'm not really 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:34.840 sure what ended up happening with that. He felt like 1:32:34.880 --> 1:32:37.200 he was not properly protected, and he ended up transferring 1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:39.519 and graduating from a different university. He did not want 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:44.519 to go back to campus, if you can imagine. But yeah, 1:32:45.240 --> 1:32:48.360 in nineteen ninety four, and it's just like, I don't 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.520 even think this would make the news. 1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:55.519 But yeah, so that's the kid. That's a kidnapping, and. 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:58.960 You know the shooting of Melinda, Yeah, that's a hostage. 1:32:59.040 --> 1:32:59.759 That's a hostage. 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:03.960 So these are the three cases that I researched until 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:04.679 five am. 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:07.639 So hope you enjoyed that. 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:11.840 And now we have an interview the Guests of a 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:15.120 Lifetime that we are so pumped for. So don't go anywhere. 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:25.559 Changed my life, honestly, our guest today, what do I 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:29.760 even say? An absolute SVW legend. She's also known for 1:33:29.800 --> 1:33:33.759 her role as Attorney Jessica Griffin on As the World Turns, 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:36.519 as a power lesbian on Sex and the City, and 1:33:36.720 --> 1:33:40.280 recently starred as Whitney Houston's mother in the Whitney Houston 1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:42.559 biopic Whitney Houston, I want to dance with somebody, which 1:33:42.680 --> 1:33:45.240 I'm obsessed with. But you guys know her best as 1:33:45.360 --> 1:33:50.799 medical examiner Melinda Warner. Please enjoy our honestly life changing 1:33:51.080 --> 1:33:52.599 chat with Tomorrow Toney. 1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:57.040 Hello, mine ly we meet. 1:33:57.520 --> 1:34:01.040 Oh my god, it is a dream. We have been 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:02.000 dying to get you. 1:34:02.200 --> 1:34:05.160 We've been harassing our friend Diane Neil to try to 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:08.360 back channel to you. We've been trying all of our 1:34:08.400 --> 1:34:11.960 avenues and finally the day has come. Melinda Warner is 1:34:12.000 --> 1:34:14.719 here on the podcast. We are so excited. I don't 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:18.880 even know where to begin. It's hard, hundred episodes. 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:19.960 Where to begin? 1:34:20.280 --> 1:34:21.320 Where do we start? 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.360 Do you know how many times you have said semen 1:34:24.520 --> 1:34:26.960 on the show? Is there an official counter? 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:31.439 Not enough? Not enough? Back season twenty six, Let's better back? 1:34:32.600 --> 1:34:36.720 And we love to talk about how like the earlier seasons, 1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:38.719 like seasons like well we call them like the Neil 1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:41.840 Bear years, like seasons two through twelve that's had like 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:44.479 so much humor, which of course Richard Belzer was a 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:48.280 professional comedian and iced Tea is very funny, but like 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:53.200 you have so many funny lines like you. We do 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:55.960 this podcast like on the road sometimes for live shows, 1:34:55.960 --> 1:34:59.000 and we usually do the more campier episodes, and there's 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:01.200 always like a few more Linda clips that we show. 1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:04.760 Are you saying, oh my god, like booty dust. 1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:07.559 Like just like you get to say all I remember that, 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:11.439 you know, like I say it all the time whenever 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:13.719 anybody has a little glitter on them, I'm like booty dust, 1:35:13.960 --> 1:35:14.760 like you know. 1:35:14.960 --> 1:35:18.040 Well, and not only funny, you can also tell that 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:20.719 your characters passionate in it and does not take shit 1:35:21.000 --> 1:35:24.880 and plays by the rules. Well not always, but you 1:35:24.880 --> 1:35:26.400 have because you have your detectives back. 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:29.160 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I had a great part. 1:35:29.400 --> 1:35:31.519 You speak for the dead. As you said, I speak 1:35:31.600 --> 1:35:31.880 for the. 1:35:31.840 --> 1:35:35.280 Dead, I know, yeah, exactly, exactly. 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:38.280 Well, and we've noticed with like not taking shit from others. 1:35:38.439 --> 1:35:41.439 We also we really love your dynamic with Rollins and 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:44.880 how she doesn't believe you in episodes and you kind 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:48.639 of have to like, I know, if I could. 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:51.519 Say girlfriend, I would I would be like, girlfriend, do 1:35:51.640 --> 1:35:52.880 you know who you're talking to? 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:53.320 You know? 1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:57.439 It's funny like because they never they until her. 1:35:58.000 --> 1:36:00.280 She's a little bit your nemesis at the beginning, like 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:03.160 she's like, yeah, you guys have this tension. 1:36:03.040 --> 1:36:05.800 Because she kind of like she kind of took Stabler's 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:11.120 place in that because Stabler would sometimes question or challenge 1:36:11.200 --> 1:36:13.400 or doubt not have to set him straight, you know, 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:16.839 so she kind of came in with uh, with that energy, 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:20.960 you know, the new person and and bringing that new 1:36:21.000 --> 1:36:23.839 person energy into the into the scene. 1:36:23.960 --> 1:36:26.000 Yeah. So yeah, there's a couple of times I would 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:28.839 have to set her straight, and. 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:32.120 Maybe we are stretching here. 1:36:32.200 --> 1:36:36.280 But did you ever feel like there was some kind 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:40.160 of romantic tension between you and Finn Melinda and Finn. 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:44.759 Absolute, okay, absolutely, just double checking that we're not making 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:45.120 it up. 1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.840 It was written into the script, and you know, they 1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:51.639 toyed with us with the idea that something might happen, 1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:53.000 but then it didn't. 1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:58.200 Okay, no, but it leaped off the screen because in 1:36:58.240 --> 1:37:01.320 our heads were like she had a husband, who were 1:37:01.360 --> 1:37:02.920 like they are into each other? 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:03.800 Yeah, that part. 1:37:03.920 --> 1:37:06.640 I had a husband, and so when I when we 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:09.280 had that scene, I remember saying, but wait, I'm married, 1:37:09.280 --> 1:37:11.360 and they're like, no, you're not, You're not anymore. 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:16.320 And I was like, okay, Yeah, Like you mentioned, Melinda 1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:17.120 gets to mention. 1:37:17.040 --> 1:37:19.360 A daughter once and a husband once and that she 1:37:19.400 --> 1:37:21.200 had a dog named Pete once. 1:37:21.040 --> 1:37:23.840 And I feel like that's all Yet, No, a sister 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:25.400 that was a buyer for Sacks. 1:37:26.000 --> 1:37:29.320 That's right, that's what I forgot about my sister. 1:37:31.439 --> 1:37:33.280 We don't we don't forget. 1:37:34.200 --> 1:37:37.360 I was that guy, like Kara mentioned our live shows, 1:37:37.400 --> 1:37:41.639 one of our trivia questions was where does your sister work? 1:37:41.920 --> 1:37:46.559 And where does she work? Sacks Fifth Avenue? 1:37:47.520 --> 1:37:50.840 Who's the fire for Sacks? I only wore scrubs, So 1:37:50.960 --> 1:37:52.000 I had no idea that. 1:37:52.439 --> 1:37:56.600 But your character and Olivia and Merka's character always know 1:37:56.720 --> 1:37:59.080 the high end stuff, like you guys are always like, ah, 1:37:59.160 --> 1:38:01.080 well these these are from. 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:04.320 You know, this designer, like exactly exactly. They leave it 1:38:04.360 --> 1:38:06.280 to the ladies. 1:38:05.400 --> 1:38:10.719 The ladies, No, we can't afford it on a city salary, 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:13.880 but we can fantasize and we can, you know, look 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:15.640 at magazines exactly. 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:21.479 So you just came back last season of OC, yes, right, 1:38:21.680 --> 1:38:24.640 which I watch, but I am behind, so I have 1:38:24.720 --> 1:38:27.200 not seen your episode yet where you cook at What 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:30.000 is Melinda doing when she comes back into that episode? 1:38:30.400 --> 1:38:34.600 Well, it's it's so interesting because I had completely forgotten 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.160 that there was an episode of SVU. 1:38:37.439 --> 1:38:39.800 Maybe it was a crossover episode. I'm not sure. 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:41.960 They all kind of start blending as you and OC 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:44.519 in particular, I think. 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:45.160 Finn and. 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:49.360 Benson had come into the morgue to talk, you know, 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:51.759 for me to give them some information on whatever happened 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:54.759 to the poor victim, and so as as they were leaving, 1:38:54.880 --> 1:38:57.000 I called Olivia back and I said, you know, I 1:38:57.120 --> 1:39:01.960 reached out to to Stabler with my indolences with what happened, 1:39:02.000 --> 1:39:04.680 and you know, he never responded, you know, and she 1:39:04.880 --> 1:39:07.080 said something like, yeah, well he's you know, he's going 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:12.280 through some things like of course. So cut to earlier 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:17.200 this year when we do organized crime. So Stabler needs 1:39:17.200 --> 1:39:22.280 some information because a mosque has been blown up and 1:39:22.680 --> 1:39:24.080 a witness says they hurt. 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:25.599 A gun shot before the mosque blew up. 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:27.680 So he wants me to he he comes in to 1:39:27.680 --> 1:39:31.040 ask me to look closely at these photos and to 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:35.759 determine if this person was shot before they blew up whatever. 1:39:36.040 --> 1:39:38.880 And so we do that whole thing, and then he's having. 1:39:38.880 --> 1:39:41.479 You know, kathy blowing up flashbacks as I'm giving him 1:39:41.479 --> 1:39:45.599 the information. And then as he's about to leave, he 1:39:45.680 --> 1:39:48.240 doesn't about face and he comes back and he embraces me, 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:52.599 which is totally out of character for Sabler, as we know, right, 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:56.439 he embraces me, and so so I'm. 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:58.479 Like, what the fuck is going on? You know? 1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:01.920 But I'm like, okay, it was this for you know, 1:40:01.960 --> 1:40:04.160 and he's like, you know, I got your message and 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:06.519 thank you and blah blah blah. So it was I 1:40:06.560 --> 1:40:09.400 think the purpose was just to have that human connection, 1:40:10.080 --> 1:40:13.479 you know, for Stabler and you know, maybe plan to 1:40:13.520 --> 1:40:17.200 see that you know, Melinda might be around every now 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:17.559 and again. 1:40:18.400 --> 1:40:20.599 You know it'd be great, but time will tell. 1:40:20.720 --> 1:40:23.880 Let's let's bring her back please. Who wouldn't want that? 1:40:24.200 --> 1:40:26.120 Like it's they need you back in there. 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:27.240 Yeah, you know what I need. 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:30.960 I really miss And a lot of fans tell me 1:40:31.120 --> 1:40:33.439 that that they really missed the science. 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:35.639 They really missed, you. 1:40:35.560 --> 1:40:42.120 Know, the the intelligence of the science and those puzzle 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.120 pieces that put it together. And they say, you know, 1:40:45.200 --> 1:40:48.439 they learned so much and it was so interesting and 1:40:48.600 --> 1:40:49.800 et cetera, et cetera. 1:40:49.880 --> 1:40:52.160 But you know, as you said, leadership change. 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:54.040 And Neil was Neil was a doctor and so he 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:57.880 was very much an advocate for that medical science stuff, 1:40:58.200 --> 1:41:00.400 you know, which was which was really great, I mean, 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:04.360 and it really added, you know, another level to the show. 1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:09.160 I think, yes, we know what Pika is because of SVU, 1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.800 Like I know what a million different. Yeah, we just 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:15.920 covered the episode retro where you go up against Martin 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:19.280 Maull who recently passed away, and he's an AIDS Denier 1:41:19.320 --> 1:41:21.720 and you have all this like great information. You know, 1:41:21.800 --> 1:41:24.280 it's like just in case you happen to be an 1:41:24.320 --> 1:41:26.719 AIDS Denier and you're catching an episode of SVU Melinda 1:41:26.720 --> 1:41:30.240 Warner's laying it out pretty pretty simply for you to. 1:41:30.200 --> 1:41:32.600 Follow exactly in late terms. 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:36.160 Yes, yes, which you know, I think today, of all days, 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.920 we need more science so that people can stop like 1:41:39.000 --> 1:41:40.000 denying science. 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:41.160 You know, I agree. 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:44.599 So, and it was you with the science and Huong 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:48.440 with the psychiatry. I liked both of those aspects this episode. 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:50.439 Do you remember this episode that we're talking about today, 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:56.920 Shattered where you get shot? Oh god, Isabel my favorite 1:41:57.080 --> 1:42:00.439 yes Bench actress of all time, one of the most 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:03.520 famous Yeah, I actress. 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:05.559 Thrilled and honored. I was so thrilled and honored. And 1:42:05.560 --> 1:42:07.679 when she when she arrived on set, you know when 1:42:07.720 --> 1:42:10.000 I arrived, because they had already been shooting the episode. 1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:12.000 So when I arrived on set, you know, I made 1:42:12.040 --> 1:42:15.200 a beeline for her dressing room because I had to 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:17.960 tell her what a fan I was of her work, 1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:19.840 and you know, and she was. 1:42:19.960 --> 1:42:20.320 She was. 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:23.800 She was blown away because pretty much very you know, 1:42:24.120 --> 1:42:26.479 hardly anybody who knew she knew who she was on 1:42:26.520 --> 1:42:29.320 that set, right, And so when I was telling her, 1:42:29.479 --> 1:42:32.040 you know, I love this movie and I love this movie, 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:35.280 and I mean, she was just blown away. So I 1:42:35.360 --> 1:42:37.400 was very excited that I was going to be shot 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:38.439 by Isabella whupear. 1:42:38.920 --> 1:42:41.960 Oh my gosh, I love that. That's so great. 1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:47.320 And that was a very touching episode too, very tragic episode. 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:47.920 You know. 1:42:47.960 --> 1:42:50.400 The young boy who played the sun. I remember we 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:55.960 were we rehearsed the scene and you know, and they're 1:42:56.000 --> 1:42:59.519 shouting and you know, she's waving the gun and her shouting, 1:42:59.560 --> 1:43:02.439 and he's under the sheet, and so we cut the 1:43:02.479 --> 1:43:06.479 rehearsal and we're talking and I glanced over at the sheet, 1:43:06.880 --> 1:43:11.160 just because I'm very conscious of my victims. And usually 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:13.960 I'm like, you know, let's let's take the sheet down 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:16.240 so they can breathe, you know, or if we're outside, 1:43:16.280 --> 1:43:18.320 I'm like, can we get something warm under this poor 1:43:18.320 --> 1:43:20.679 girl who's in a miniskirt? And some go go boots, 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:22.920 you know, and it's. 1:43:22.760 --> 1:43:23.800 February, you know. 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:28.240 But I glanced over and the and the sheep was 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:33.080 shaking like this right, and so I I, you know, 1:43:33.120 --> 1:43:35.400 I was, and people were talking, and so I went 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:38.280 over and I pulled the sheet down and he was 1:43:38.320 --> 1:43:42.080 crying and I was, and I you know, and so 1:43:42.200 --> 1:43:44.400 I said to the to the ad, I was like. 1:43:44.400 --> 1:43:46.200 Can we get his mom in here? You know, can 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:47.559 we get his mom in here right now? 1:43:47.920 --> 1:43:48.120 You know? 1:43:48.320 --> 1:43:50.200 And so his mom came in sold, you know, and 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:53.639 I told him this is pretend. You know, nobody's upset, 1:43:53.880 --> 1:43:56.680 nobody's getting hurt, you know. But it was just like 1:43:56.760 --> 1:44:01.719 and it was always when her children were involved. Wherever 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:03.920 children were on the set, you know, I was just 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:09.679 so you know, aware of them and very protective of them. 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.519 I mean we all were, you know, but yeah, but 1:44:12.720 --> 1:44:15.519 particularly if I had to deal with them, you know, 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:19.400 it was you know, it was always kind of emotional, 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:19.760 you know. 1:44:20.640 --> 1:44:23.360 Yeah, I can't imagine yeah, and as like a small 1:44:23.439 --> 1:44:26.519 child actor to be like okay, just stay there, like 1:44:26.560 --> 1:44:29.240 you have to be dead, like don't don't move, Like 1:44:29.280 --> 1:44:31.280 I can imagine that being also very nerve wrecking, like 1:44:31.520 --> 1:44:33.280 what if I move, am I gonna get in trouble? 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:33.760 Or you know? 1:44:34.760 --> 1:44:37.880 Yeah, you know, and and I'm sure like his mom 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:40.800 probably read in the scene, but you don't know what 1:44:40.920 --> 1:44:43.599 it is until you're in it, yeah, you know, and 1:44:43.640 --> 1:44:46.000 that energy that's in the room, you know. 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:49.160 He just yeah, but he was okay after that. He 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:50.320 was really good after that. 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:54.200 Well, Nicholas, I was gonna say, it's also such good 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:58.519 actors that I can imagine feeling that energy. 1:44:58.840 --> 1:45:02.519 And yeah as a kid, yeahs an adult, yeah. 1:45:02.479 --> 1:45:05.559 Like Kauza Balu pair is there like having her mental 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:08.160 breakdown and waving a gun around. You could believe that's real, 1:45:08.360 --> 1:45:10.439 like as an adult, let alone a child. 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:15.000 Yeah, yes, absolutely. And and as you mentioned, it is 1:45:15.040 --> 1:45:18.600 difficult to play dead, you know. Yeah, you've had so 1:45:18.720 --> 1:45:23.280 many actors because everybody's like those real dead bodies. I'm like, well, no, 1:45:23.360 --> 1:45:26.280 they're not real dead bodies, they're real people, you know. 1:45:26.840 --> 1:45:29.479 And so you know, for actors to like hold your 1:45:29.560 --> 1:45:33.480 breath and don't let your eyes blink, you know, and 1:45:33.479 --> 1:45:35.479 and when you're you know, when you're trying to be 1:45:35.640 --> 1:45:38.120 still is when your eyes you get very self conscious 1:45:38.120 --> 1:45:38.679 in your eyes. 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:41.040 You know, want to twitch, they want to do rems, 1:45:41.040 --> 1:45:42.360 sleep whatever, you know. 1:45:42.640 --> 1:45:45.320 And so so it's it's, you know, it's not easy 1:45:45.439 --> 1:45:50.000 being a dead body, yeah, you know, and particularly they're 1:45:50.040 --> 1:45:53.840 always like starting the shot on the dead person, right 1:45:53.920 --> 1:45:56.120 and we're talking about them, So they have to hold 1:45:56.120 --> 1:45:58.200 their breath and keep their eyes still and dah dah 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:01.920 da da da until you know, and and sometimes you know, 1:46:01.960 --> 1:46:03.840 we'd give them a word, you know on this word 1:46:03.920 --> 1:46:05.200 the camera's not on you anymore. 1:46:05.320 --> 1:46:07.200 You can breathe blah blah blah. 1:46:07.240 --> 1:46:11.439 You know. Yeah, well, you like speaking of these dead bodies. 1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:13.960 Like there's some scenes like especially in like I think 1:46:14.000 --> 1:46:17.160 earlier seasons and stuff where Melinda's like, they'll go into 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:19.799 the Morgan you're just like giving notes into a recorder, 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:22.719 but you're like taking livers out of bodies and stuff, 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:24.000 like you're actually. 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:27.080 Handling thinking about that taking the liver and put it 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:33.040 on the scale moment. Yeah, because when we first did 1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:36.880 it and rehearsed it, they had gotten a liver from 1:46:36.920 --> 1:46:37.799 the butcher shop. 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:39.200 It was the side. 1:46:39.240 --> 1:46:42.400 It was a cow's liver, and it was massive, and 1:46:42.520 --> 1:46:45.719 the victim on the table was this you know, five 1:46:45.800 --> 1:46:50.600 foot two, one hundred and ten pound woman, you know. 1:46:50.880 --> 1:46:53.840 And I was like and the first time I picked 1:46:53.880 --> 1:46:55.519 it up, and I swear it was like this big, 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:58.519 and I was like, you know, and I said, I said, 1:46:58.560 --> 1:47:00.920 there is no way this came out of this person. 1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:01.600 Can we like? 1:47:04.760 --> 1:47:07.000 That is so funny? 1:47:06.960 --> 1:47:07.320 Yes? 1:47:07.720 --> 1:47:09.960 Did you ever get squeamish about any of that stuff, 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:12.400 like having to do any of the actual like Melinda 1:47:12.439 --> 1:47:13.439 warnering like. 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:18.000 Gross dead people stuff. No, I never really got squeamish 1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:21.560 for two reasons. One because you know, I was a science. 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:22.640 Kid and I loved biology. 1:47:23.280 --> 1:47:26.519 And you know, most of the things that I learned 1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:28.800 about anatomy I learned in ninth grade. 1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:31.719 And I remembered when I got this part. 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:35.920 So I always tell young people, you know, who want 1:47:35.920 --> 1:47:38.360 to be actors or go into this business, I'm like, 1:47:38.760 --> 1:47:42.519 you know, study do well in school, you know, pay attention, 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:45.680 learn everything you can possibly learn, because you never know 1:47:45.760 --> 1:47:47.400 when you're gonna use it, when you're gonna. 1:47:47.200 --> 1:47:48.479 Need it as an actor, you know. 1:47:49.000 --> 1:47:51.519 Yeah, and so you know, some great advice, but it's 1:47:51.520 --> 1:47:52.200 absolutely true. 1:47:52.240 --> 1:47:54.639 And so you know, as far as the skeletal I mean, 1:47:54.640 --> 1:47:56.680 I knew all the bones of the body, you know, 1:47:56.800 --> 1:47:59.080 I knew where all the organs were in the person's body. 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:00.920 You know, I knew all that stuff coming in. So 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:04.400 I always say that, you know, and oh yeah, I 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:07.360 grew up in a funeral home, and so the mortgage 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:08.320 is part of my life. 1:48:08.880 --> 1:48:10.760 Oh my gosh. 1:48:10.800 --> 1:48:14.439 So it was was your family like was your family 1:48:14.560 --> 1:48:18.520 like of course when you got this part, like you know. 1:48:18.439 --> 1:48:20.760 They were quite proud. I mean, it's you know, it's 1:48:20.880 --> 1:48:21.439 very different. 1:48:21.560 --> 1:48:27.040 A medical Examiner's office yeah, it's preceds the funeral home, 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:29.840 you know. But you know, in my day, you know, 1:48:30.080 --> 1:48:33.920 I I have you know, done the hair of a 1:48:33.960 --> 1:48:37.200 deceased woman or I've done a light makeup of a 1:48:37.240 --> 1:48:40.040 deceased person, and you know, and we lived above the 1:48:40.080 --> 1:48:43.240 funeral home, and so there was always you know, a. 1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:46.880 Deceased person in the in in downstairs. So it was 1:48:47.040 --> 1:48:48.559 just normal for us. 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:48.840 You know. 1:48:49.560 --> 1:48:55.400 Wow, very six feet Yeah, so that's that. Wow. 1:48:55.800 --> 1:48:58.160 When you got this script though for Shattered, and you 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:00.120 saw that you were going to get shot, where you like, 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:02.280 are they killing off Melinda? For like a second, were 1:49:02.320 --> 1:49:04.400 you worried that they were? 1:49:04.560 --> 1:49:07.320 I was, But then I got to the last page 1:49:07.360 --> 1:49:09.160 and she said, I am not dead. 1:49:10.040 --> 1:49:11.360 I am not dead. 1:49:12.000 --> 1:49:13.760 Vultures back up right. 1:49:14.880 --> 1:49:17.920 Like even she's funny, even when she's getting wheeled away 1:49:18.040 --> 1:49:22.120 with an almost like a could be deadly wound, you know, 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:28.439 in her chest. But also you're like that whole scene, 1:49:28.439 --> 1:49:31.200 I mean, we just watched it to be ready for today, 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:35.400 but like that whole scene when you're like directing your 1:49:35.439 --> 1:49:40.479 own chest, your own intimation is like so insane, Like 1:49:40.680 --> 1:49:44.439 listen to you with the intubation. I watch a show 1:49:44.880 --> 1:49:49.120 I watch Law and Orders for you a lot. And 1:49:49.240 --> 1:49:51.760 how was working with Sharon Stone in that scene as well? 1:49:52.120 --> 1:49:52.360 Yeah? 1:49:52.479 --> 1:49:54.400 Oh that was great. She was great. She was great. 1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:55.560 She was very interesting. 1:49:55.640 --> 1:49:58.200 You know, it was very interesting because at one point, 1:49:58.560 --> 1:50:01.840 you know, I mean it was a very interesting, you know, 1:50:01.960 --> 1:50:05.920 dynamic between you know, the two female leads, you know, 1:50:06.160 --> 1:50:08.640 and so you know, I could feel the energy in 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:11.720 the room, you know. And and so at one point, 1:50:11.800 --> 1:50:14.920 you know, when we were rehearsing the scene, when we 1:50:14.960 --> 1:50:16.519 got to the point where she has to cut me, 1:50:16.560 --> 1:50:18.599 and I'm telling her to get this and da da 1:50:18.640 --> 1:50:22.000 da da, and Sharon Stone was like, well, I think this, 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:24.040 and I think that, and blah blah blah. And I 1:50:24.160 --> 1:50:27.599 just said, well, you're not the one on the floor, 1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:30.040 You're not the one with the bullet in you. You're 1:50:30.040 --> 1:50:31.800 not the one who needs to be cut open. So 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:33.599 I will tell you what needs to. 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:38.040 Be you know. I was like, wait a minute. 1:50:40.080 --> 1:50:40.280 Yeah. 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:43.120 But she was terrific. She was great. She was great. 1:50:43.400 --> 1:50:47.559 Well, like, we just covered the episode where Olivia finds 1:50:47.560 --> 1:50:50.080 out a guy that she had slept with five years 1:50:50.120 --> 1:50:53.200 ago was HIV positive and you give her the test 1:50:53.280 --> 1:50:55.960 on the down low, like for her privacy and so 1:50:56.000 --> 1:50:58.800 you're there. You've got their backs too, but when it's 1:50:58.840 --> 1:51:00.720 not going to be a goal, you know. 1:51:01.240 --> 1:51:05.400 And Melinda comes to a Libya's apartment after she has 1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:07.519 adopted the child to. 1:51:07.520 --> 1:51:10.160 Give her the information of who the father of that 1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:13.360 child is. You know who was Johnny D. 1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:18.200 Revealed Johnny D reveal the criminal, the sociopath. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:21.040 Criminal is the daddy a baby daddy? You know? 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:24.120 Do you you know you remember so you said they're 1:51:24.120 --> 1:51:25.880 all a blurb, but you really seem to remember a 1:51:25.880 --> 1:51:27.480 lot of very specific episodes. 1:51:27.520 --> 1:51:28.800 Actually, do you have. 1:51:28.960 --> 1:51:30.439 I watched the damn show. 1:51:31.120 --> 1:51:34.800 I know, I know people like I always. 1:51:34.479 --> 1:51:35.320 Watch the marathons. 1:51:35.360 --> 1:51:38.519 I'm like, so, lie, oh that's you must be like, 1:51:38.560 --> 1:51:40.679 oh that was a fun day, like when you're watching 1:51:40.680 --> 1:51:41.920 them aera exactly. 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:44.760 And also it's like it's back you know. 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:48.760 It serves multipurposes, you know, because it's like, if I 1:51:48.800 --> 1:51:50.800 want to have the television on but not really have 1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:53.040 to pay attention to it because I'm doing something else, 1:51:53.120 --> 1:51:55.679 I'll have that on. But also I travel a lot, 1:51:55.760 --> 1:51:59.040 and I'm in different countries a lot, and so you 1:51:59.080 --> 1:52:03.040 can always find Law and Order on television in every 1:52:03.080 --> 1:52:07.040 country on the planet. So it's also very comforting when 1:52:07.080 --> 1:52:08.240 I'm away, you know. 1:52:09.360 --> 1:52:11.479 Yes, we call it a hotel show as well. 1:52:11.560 --> 1:52:14.120 Like if you're in a hotel and you're not watching you, 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:16.920 you're not watching you know, USA or sv wherever. 1:52:16.960 --> 1:52:19.640 It is exactly what you're doing exactly. 1:52:21.080 --> 1:52:23.400 It's really nice to know that you kind of have 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.719 the same relationship with SVUW that so much, so many 1:52:26.720 --> 1:52:29.479 of us have. It is our comfort show, and I 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:31.280 really do, I really do. 1:52:31.640 --> 1:52:36.599 I also just to pile more compliments on you. I 1:52:36.640 --> 1:52:39.720 was obsessed with I Want to Dance with Somebody. You 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:43.439 were amazing in that. I thought that movie. It's on 1:52:43.560 --> 1:52:45.920 Delta now and everybody needs to go see it. 1:52:45.920 --> 1:52:46.799 It's great. 1:52:47.080 --> 1:52:47.439 Thank you. 1:52:47.520 --> 1:52:50.840 I loved it because a lot of biopics I think 1:52:50.920 --> 1:52:53.320 miss it, and I really thought this was a great one. 1:52:53.600 --> 1:52:56.439 Thank you very much. That really means a lot to 1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:58.200 all of us who worked on that. 1:52:58.760 --> 1:53:00.680 You you were so great. I didn't know a lot 1:53:00.720 --> 1:53:03.240 about her relationship with Sissy. I didn't really know, and 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:06.160 I was like, she's not a bad guy, but she's 1:53:06.240 --> 1:53:09.799 not a total good guy, you know, like complicated you know, 1:53:09.880 --> 1:53:11.679 complicated relationships. 1:53:11.160 --> 1:53:13.680 Yeah, complicated relationship yah, yeah yeah. 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:17.559 And then also yeah, you're welcome. And also I loved 1:53:17.600 --> 1:53:19.080 diet Land and I was sad to see it. 1:53:19.240 --> 1:53:21.320 Oh that's my last, that's it, no more. 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:22.840 I loved diet Land. 1:53:22.920 --> 1:53:24.719 It was so good, and. 1:53:24.600 --> 1:53:27.600 I loved your part in that one. And you know, 1:53:27.640 --> 1:53:29.640 of course I'm like, oh my god, Melinda Warner's in this. 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:31.160 I'm sorry. I know you're a. 1:53:31.080 --> 1:53:36.400 Separate person, but I thought it was really wonderful. And yeah, 1:53:36.520 --> 1:53:38.240 it was annoying because it was like, it felt like 1:53:38.280 --> 1:53:40.280 it was canceled because it was a woman's show a 1:53:40.280 --> 1:53:40.680 little bit. 1:53:41.080 --> 1:53:44.160 Listen, I'm going to tell you I truly believe because 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:47.760 you know, that first season was you know, it was successful. 1:53:47.840 --> 1:53:50.120 You know, people was catching on and talking about it. 1:53:50.160 --> 1:53:53.439 People were talking about it, and they actually opened the 1:53:53.479 --> 1:53:56.080 writer's room and so we were greenlit for season two 1:53:56.400 --> 1:53:58.599 and they opened the writer's room and the writers had written, 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:02.360 you know, the second season, and you know, it was 1:54:02.520 --> 1:54:04.920 a week or two before we were going to start shooting, 1:54:04.920 --> 1:54:05.880 and they pulled the plug. 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:08.720 And I really, I really believe. 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:11.240 We started shooting the first season when the ship hit 1:54:11.280 --> 1:54:13.880 the fan with Harvey Weinstein. 1:54:14.320 --> 1:54:17.040 I'm pretty sure, uh huh. 1:54:17.120 --> 1:54:21.640 And you know, but I truly think that show terrified 1:54:22.080 --> 1:54:23.840 the men who were in the. 1:54:23.880 --> 1:54:28.320 Decision making position to keep the show going. You know, 1:54:28.560 --> 1:54:29.080 I really do. 1:54:29.160 --> 1:54:30.439 I think because of the culture. 1:54:31.920 --> 1:54:33.240 Yeah, that I. 1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:35.920 Really do, because there was no other reason that that 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:37.040 show did not move forward. 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:38.280 Everybody was talking about it. 1:54:38.320 --> 1:54:41.080 I was dying to know what happened to everybody. They 1:54:41.160 --> 1:54:46.040 had a powerhouse cast. Yeah, like it was. It was crazy. 1:54:46.120 --> 1:54:49.920 Anyway, thank you, I mean thank you because those are 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:54.840 important shows. And I've had the privilege of really participating 1:54:54.880 --> 1:54:58.240 in things that are you know, in the zeitgeist, if 1:54:58.280 --> 1:55:01.200 you will, or really part of the conversation or really 1:55:01.240 --> 1:55:03.360 anticipating the conversation that's. 1:55:03.240 --> 1:55:04.680 About to happen, you know. 1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:07.640 And so I've been I've been really fortunate that way 1:55:08.000 --> 1:55:10.760 that that these things have you know, have come my way, 1:55:10.840 --> 1:55:13.640 have been presented to me, and I could participate them 1:55:13.680 --> 1:55:18.040 that really, you know, spark conversation and challenge people's thinking. 1:55:18.240 --> 1:55:19.720 You know, it's really great. 1:55:20.560 --> 1:55:22.640 And SVU has done that a lot of times, where 1:55:22.680 --> 1:55:25.880 they've had episodes that come out before a big thing 1:55:25.960 --> 1:55:28.600 breaks or like a thing even happens, you. 1:55:28.560 --> 1:55:31.080 Know, yes, yes, And the premise of course of Law 1:55:31.120 --> 1:55:33.360 and Order is like ripped from the headlines right, that 1:55:33.480 --> 1:55:35.760 was how the original even came to be. So they 1:55:35.800 --> 1:55:39.160 were taking they were taking the headlines and writing these stories, 1:55:39.200 --> 1:55:41.480 you know, And we do that a lot on our 1:55:41.520 --> 1:55:44.760 show our and I still say our show because even 1:55:44.800 --> 1:55:47.560 though I'm not there, it's my show, and you know, 1:55:48.240 --> 1:55:50.520 but also as just and we take it and put 1:55:50.520 --> 1:55:52.400 a little twist on it, you know, writers put a 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:53.520 little different twist on it. 1:55:53.600 --> 1:55:53.920 Whatever. 1:55:54.280 --> 1:55:57.520 But also there are stories that have indeed kind of 1:55:57.640 --> 1:56:01.720 preceded events that have happened and almost been like a premonition. 1:56:02.120 --> 1:56:03.360 Yeah, it was to come, you know. 1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:07.080 So they had an episode about Epstein way before that 1:56:07.240 --> 1:56:12.520 really broke yes, way before. Yes, So it's really that's 1:56:12.560 --> 1:56:16.280 just my example. Yeah, during the pandemic. 1:56:16.480 --> 1:56:19.360 Was it pandemic or was it after you reunited with 1:56:19.560 --> 1:56:23.480 Diane Neil again for that rules that Circle of Deception? 1:56:23.720 --> 1:56:26.720 Yes, that was that was during pandemic. I would say 1:56:27.000 --> 1:56:28.320 it was after lockdown. 1:56:29.040 --> 1:56:29.240 You know. 1:56:29.480 --> 1:56:32.320 We were the first production, the first TV or film 1:56:32.320 --> 1:56:35.560 production to come back to work, and we shot it 1:56:35.680 --> 1:56:39.000 up in Vancouver, and so we were very much kind 1:56:39.000 --> 1:56:42.200 of the experiment as far as in the guinea pigs, 1:56:42.520 --> 1:56:46.720 as far as protocols for COVID, you know, wearing masks, 1:56:46.880 --> 1:56:50.240 and and who could be in particular zones, you know, 1:56:50.440 --> 1:56:55.400 and and you know, but yes, but and we had 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:59.360 a good time and and and you know, my mother loves. 1:56:59.120 --> 1:57:02.120 Lifetime Movie Network. But you know, it's not my. 1:57:02.240 --> 1:57:05.480 Cup of tea. But I will say that that. 1:57:06.120 --> 1:57:08.280 Movie was good. It was really good. 1:57:08.400 --> 1:57:10.760 Yeah, we watched it, and then we did a Live 1:57:10.840 --> 1:57:13.120 with Diane on the night that it premiered. We went 1:57:13.160 --> 1:57:15.800 on Instagram Live with her and like talked about it 1:57:16.120 --> 1:57:17.800 and we wouldn't. 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:18.480 Believe she went on it. 1:57:18.520 --> 1:57:20.680 We were just gonna talk about it and then we 1:57:20.840 --> 1:57:22.080 couldn't even believe it. 1:57:22.240 --> 1:57:23.560 She's like, I'll get on the live. 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:29.360 Memorable moment. Well, Circle of Deception was one of the 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:31.640 first back. But was so is SVU. Like you were 1:57:31.640 --> 1:57:36.480 in the Quarantine episodes and you guys started in New York. 1:57:36.520 --> 1:57:37.240 I feel pretty hard. 1:57:37.320 --> 1:57:41.520 Yeah, yeah, it did come back because I went to 1:57:41.600 --> 1:57:46.200 Vancouver to shoot that, and then I came back and 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:52.840 in that September did an episode of SVU. Yeah, and 1:57:52.880 --> 1:57:57.600 then like either the end of September beginning of October 1:57:57.760 --> 1:58:02.960 was when I went to New Zealand to film Cowboy Bebop. 1:58:03.920 --> 1:58:08.080 Oh yeah, yeah, and let it's. 1:58:07.840 --> 1:58:10.040 Crazy they were allowing people in because they were so 1:58:10.160 --> 1:58:10.800 locked down. 1:58:11.040 --> 1:58:13.040 We were so locked they were so locked down, and 1:58:13.120 --> 1:58:15.880 they were very strict, and there was no COVID because 1:58:15.920 --> 1:58:18.960 they were very strict right when they when you arrived, 1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:22.480 you know, you didn't know where you were going to quarantine. Yeah, 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:24.440 you didn't know where you were going to quarantine. And 1:58:24.480 --> 1:58:27.000 so I flew all the way across the world not 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:30.040 knowing where I was going to be, you know, and 1:58:30.640 --> 1:58:34.040 I couldn't tell my family, I couldn't tell my agents, 1:58:34.120 --> 1:58:37.320 my reps. Nobody knew, right but because there was government, 1:58:37.320 --> 1:58:39.880 and so when you got there, the government decided. 1:58:39.600 --> 1:58:41.360 Where you would go for your quarantine. 1:58:41.760 --> 1:58:44.440 And so I ride there after eighteen hours on a 1:58:44.480 --> 1:58:50.760 plane and it's five o'clock in the morning, and I'm thinking, okay, 1:58:50.880 --> 1:58:53.040 I'm here in Auckland, and they're like, no, you have 1:58:53.080 --> 1:58:55.840 to get on another plane because you're quarantining on the 1:58:55.880 --> 1:58:57.800 South Island in christ Church. 1:58:58.080 --> 1:58:59.560 And I burst into tears. 1:59:00.280 --> 1:59:05.320 Oh no, because I was like, yeah, yeah, another plane, 1:59:05.480 --> 1:59:07.440 but yeah, so I had to go down there. So 1:59:07.520 --> 1:59:11.200 I quarantined and it was at the end and you know, 1:59:11.280 --> 1:59:14.600 they were serious, like the soldiers met your plane you know, 1:59:14.640 --> 1:59:17.800 they weren't armed, but they were in uniform, and they 1:59:17.840 --> 1:59:20.280 met your plane and they escorted you the baggage clane 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:22.920 get your bags and they helped you with your bags. 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:24.800 It was very nice and some of them were quite 1:59:24.800 --> 1:59:28.480 good looking. And then they escorted you to where you're 1:59:28.480 --> 1:59:29.280 going to quarantine. 1:59:29.680 --> 1:59:31.320 And so we were in you know, I was in 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:36.280 this room, this hotel room, you know, at the airport 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:38.840 in christ Church, looking at you know, the bus parking 1:59:38.840 --> 1:59:40.480 lot for two weeks. 1:59:41.080 --> 1:59:42.520 And there was an occasion. 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:45.000 There was occasion for you to go outside and get 1:59:45.040 --> 1:59:47.200 some fresh air, but you had to do it in 1:59:47.240 --> 1:59:48.360 particular groups. 1:59:48.920 --> 1:59:49.560 And you got a. 1:59:49.480 --> 1:59:52.520 Wristban with color that told you what time you could go. 1:59:53.560 --> 1:59:56.600 And there was somebody there checking your wristband. And then 1:59:56.720 --> 2:00:00.240 they had put a chain link fence around the hotel 2:00:00.280 --> 2:00:03.880 like terrace patio, and so there was a fence and 2:00:03.920 --> 2:00:05.800 then there was three feet and then there was another 2:00:05.880 --> 2:00:08.600 chain link fence because a lot of people who were 2:00:08.720 --> 2:00:12.480 quarantining were kiwis, you know, and so their families would 2:00:12.480 --> 2:00:15.240 come and visit, you know, And then there were people 2:00:15.360 --> 2:00:18.560 like you know, jogging around the circumference of it. There 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:21.080 were people in the corner smoking cigarettes. I was like, 2:00:21.560 --> 2:00:22.720 I'm in the yard, y'all. 2:00:22.760 --> 2:00:24.440 This is yard up in. 2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:28.400 Here, up in here, this is the yard, you know, 2:00:28.440 --> 2:00:32.520 and the US could never, would, never, never get people 2:00:32.680 --> 2:00:35.840 to do it. Then you do your quarantine, you know, 2:00:36.120 --> 2:00:40.120 and you go and you're back into the world. You know. 2:00:40.720 --> 2:00:44.360 There was there was no COVID, so everything was open. 2:00:44.840 --> 2:00:47.880 There was live entertainment, there was restaurants, there was it was. 2:00:48.000 --> 2:00:50.840 Everything was open. It was normal, you know. So it 2:00:50.920 --> 2:00:54.040 was pretty amazing. And I was like, see, that's what 2:00:54.160 --> 2:00:55.560 female leadership can do. 2:00:56.440 --> 2:01:02.280 Yep, we hear that. We hear that. Well, you have 2:01:02.320 --> 2:01:04.200 to get going, but do we have any do we 2:01:04.240 --> 2:01:05.280 have last minute? 2:01:05.400 --> 2:01:08.360 I guess, I guess if if you can, how are 2:01:08.360 --> 2:01:10.000 the SBU Christmas parties? 2:01:10.320 --> 2:01:12.040 And then we need to know? 2:01:12.800 --> 2:01:16.160 Oh they were always fun, always fun. The Christmas parties 2:01:16.160 --> 2:01:19.680 were always great. And also the the rap parties were 2:01:19.720 --> 2:01:21.880 always great because the rap parties we would get to 2:01:21.920 --> 2:01:23.280 watch the blooper reel. 2:01:23.240 --> 2:01:26.320 You know, and so that was all. That was always fun. 2:01:26.400 --> 2:01:27.240 That was always fun. 2:01:27.240 --> 2:01:29.680 And I was always happy when I made a blooper 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:32.560 reel because I didn't do a lot of bloopers because. 2:01:33.440 --> 2:01:35.160 You know, I just don't roll like that. You know. 2:01:35.280 --> 2:01:37.640 I come in, I'm prepared, I'm ready to do myself, 2:01:37.920 --> 2:01:39.680 you know. But then we get to the blooper reel 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:41.480 and I'm like, darn it, I should have messed up 2:01:41.520 --> 2:01:43.240 so I could get for real, you know. 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:46.520 But it was fun. So anytime I made the blooper reel, 2:01:46.560 --> 2:01:46.880 I was. 2:01:46.840 --> 2:01:49.600 Like, yeah, that's the best. 2:01:50.000 --> 2:01:52.280 Are you still close with people from the show, like 2:01:52.320 --> 2:01:56.160 who I'm very close with Christopher, with Christopher Chris and 2:01:56.200 --> 2:01:57.640 his family, Yeah, I just was. 2:01:57.920 --> 2:02:00.120 I just spent the weekending with them, like for the 2:02:00.160 --> 2:02:04.440 July weekend. Yeah. Wow, we're very We're very very good friends. 2:02:04.440 --> 2:02:08.080 We're family, and I love them and I love that 2:02:08.680 --> 2:02:12.640 Low and Order gave me that, you know. Yeah, but this. 2:02:12.800 --> 2:02:15.600 Time we love Melinda Warner so much and it's just 2:02:15.600 --> 2:02:18.960 been such a pleasure, and you're so incredible and this 2:02:19.120 --> 2:02:19.600 was such so. 2:02:19.680 --> 2:02:21.640 I feel like we could talk to you for another hour, 2:02:21.680 --> 2:02:23.000 but we all have to go. 2:02:23.360 --> 2:02:25.720 Great to meet you both. Thank you so much. 2:02:30.480 --> 2:02:32.240 I mean, can you even believe it? 2:02:32.440 --> 2:02:34.000 I we need her back like we need her for 2:02:34.040 --> 2:02:35.480 a second part. It was so hard to get her 2:02:35.520 --> 2:02:37.080 just for one and now I'm going to just be 2:02:37.120 --> 2:02:38.400 barking down her door for another one. 2:02:38.400 --> 2:02:40.040 I mean like that, I could have talked to her forever. 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:41.200 She's so smart and cool. 2:02:42.440 --> 2:02:47.560 Yeah, it's just there's you know, the funeral home of 2:02:47.600 --> 2:02:52.440 it all, the like, yeah, loving science, the like well, 2:02:52.520 --> 2:02:54.360 dashing towards other actors. 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:57.560 That's right, say I mean Maloney. 2:02:58.120 --> 2:03:01.839 Yes, It's just she's is so cool and hard working 2:03:02.160 --> 2:03:06.520 and yeah that was life changing, I would say. 2:03:06.520 --> 2:03:08.960 And she like sings and does theater. I mean, she's 2:03:08.960 --> 2:03:11.680 so multi talented. But I keep thinking about that now 2:03:11.680 --> 2:03:13.600 when I watch sview episodes, I keep going I miss 2:03:13.640 --> 2:03:16.640 the science, Like I really miss her in bd Wong, 2:03:16.760 --> 2:03:19.160 Like the science was such a good part of the show, 2:03:19.200 --> 2:03:22.840 and it's kind of gone now in the newer seasons. 2:03:23.600 --> 2:03:27.120 Yeah, it's tough because we love all SVU, but it is. 2:03:27.880 --> 2:03:30.440 It's just it's just different. 2:03:31.280 --> 2:03:33.960 Yeah, they just don't They're they're never finding out like, 2:03:34.160 --> 2:03:38.960 oh there's this really specific thing where you can have 2:03:39.040 --> 2:03:41.840 sex with people while you're sleeping, you know, like these 2:03:42.320 --> 2:03:45.120 lower like peak Pika or like stuff we don't like 2:03:45.240 --> 2:03:45.880 we didn't know about. 2:03:46.000 --> 2:03:48.600 I honestly wouldn't even know because I haven't watched the 2:03:48.640 --> 2:03:49.120 new season. 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:50.960 I watched maybe two or three episodes. 2:03:50.600 --> 2:03:53.840 And stop of twenty five. Yeah, like I haven't been. 2:03:54.160 --> 2:03:55.880 I'm sure it'll be a day where I sit and 2:03:55.920 --> 2:03:57.520 watch it all. You know, I have a TV now, 2:03:57.560 --> 2:04:03.400 But yeah, I just I guess it's like they're they're 2:04:03.400 --> 2:04:06.839 probably trying to keep up, like quote unquote, with the times, 2:04:06.920 --> 2:04:10.280 and it does feel more like a sort of a 2:04:10.400 --> 2:04:15.160 netflixy procedural where it's like darker, like their offices are 2:04:15.160 --> 2:04:18.280 more modern, Like it's more I guess maybe what I 2:04:18.280 --> 2:04:19.720 imagine Criminal Minds. 2:04:19.480 --> 2:04:22.440 To be a little bit more maybe, but I don't know. 2:04:22.520 --> 2:04:26.520 Well criminal minds they're always on a private jet, are they, Yeah, 2:04:26.600 --> 2:04:29.960 because they're the FBI, so like they got they got 2:04:29.960 --> 2:04:31.000 a fly or something like that. 2:04:31.040 --> 2:04:35.040 But they're flying around to the case and just like. 2:04:35.720 --> 2:04:39.160 You know, I would just love there to be instead 2:04:39.160 --> 2:04:42.240 of the world's most powerful soccer player, most powerful lifeguard, 2:04:42.320 --> 2:04:45.280 most powerful real estate agent in New York. Like let's 2:04:45.280 --> 2:04:48.080 get the old crimes where it gonna be happening to anybody, 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:54.080 and like the answer is in the science sometimes because 2:04:54.080 --> 2:04:54.760 I do miss that. 2:04:54.800 --> 2:04:57.040 And I liked when she said that I miss the science. 2:04:57.680 --> 2:05:00.480 Yeah, and for like the Inside Scoop, we interview Michael 2:05:00.520 --> 2:05:03.360 Beach from Low Down and then Tomorrow Tuni in the 2:05:03.400 --> 2:05:07.640 same day, and it was just like back to back heaven, 2:05:07.920 --> 2:05:11.080 just like passionate, hardworking people with like so much to 2:05:11.160 --> 2:05:14.920 learn from and it was a life changing week. I 2:05:14.920 --> 2:05:17.760 would say I couldn't step talking about it, like, yeah, 2:05:17.840 --> 2:05:22.560 I was so happy and she, I mean in the beginning, 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:23.040 I don't. 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:24.640 I don't think we knew how to handle ourselves. I 2:05:24.680 --> 2:05:26.840 feel like we were too just like and then you 2:05:26.880 --> 2:05:28.520 did this and we loved it and she was like, 2:05:28.680 --> 2:05:32.800 uh huh, it was like hard for us to even 2:05:32.880 --> 2:05:34.520 like realize what was happening. 2:05:34.800 --> 2:05:37.520 But and the memory, I mean the memory she. 2:05:38.560 --> 2:05:40.760 You know, she's kind of like me, no big deal, 2:05:40.840 --> 2:05:45.280 but really detailed memories of every episode. 2:05:45.560 --> 2:05:46.880 I feel like she's ever done. 2:05:47.080 --> 2:05:49.240 And that was right, and she's been in hundreds, I mean, 2:05:49.240 --> 2:05:52.600 she's been in so many freaking episodes. Yeah, she was 2:05:53.080 --> 2:05:54.480 I mean a delight, what a delight. 2:05:54.720 --> 2:05:57.480 And I love that she confirmed that Finn definitely wants 2:05:57.480 --> 2:05:57.920 to fuck. 2:05:58.400 --> 2:05:59.160 Yeah. 2:05:59.520 --> 2:06:02.080 Yes, I'm like, like that was on the page or 2:06:02.120 --> 2:06:03.360 was that you guys just having fun? 2:06:04.880 --> 2:06:05.800 Well, you also. 2:06:05.720 --> 2:06:08.640 Met these like two very dedicated actors, like just as 2:06:08.680 --> 2:06:10.480 you were working on a movie too, And I feel 2:06:10.520 --> 2:06:12.640 like that like was helping you and like you know, 2:06:12.720 --> 2:06:16.080 inspire you, and you helped me because I. 2:06:16.080 --> 2:06:18.480 Liked I forgot who said what, but it was like 2:06:19.080 --> 2:06:20.360 everything around you. 2:06:20.520 --> 2:06:22.160 I think tomorrow like can be. 2:06:22.680 --> 2:06:26.080 You never know when what you learn will come to 2:06:27.440 --> 2:06:30.640 like to be to be what is the word useful? 2:06:31.320 --> 2:06:34.560 Like you never know what knowledge, what skill, what moment, 2:06:34.680 --> 2:06:38.960 what person you can like reach and like use in 2:06:39.040 --> 2:06:42.640 this one moment in time. And I also with Michael 2:06:42.680 --> 2:06:45.800 Beach the way he talks about like preparation, preparation, preparation. 2:06:45.440 --> 2:06:46.760 Getting ready for that walk. 2:06:46.520 --> 2:06:50.400 And talk and like just being so ready, and I 2:06:50.560 --> 2:06:53.680 just I loved it and their passion. And you know, 2:06:53.840 --> 2:06:57.200 it also brings up like how separate black and white 2:06:57.240 --> 2:07:00.280 Hollywood is, because when I brought up Michael beat to 2:07:00.280 --> 2:07:02.840 one of my black friends, he was like, holy shit, 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:06.160 waiting to sale, like that's a hero, and so like 2:07:06.840 --> 2:07:11.080 that's kind of wild. I wish we I wish there 2:07:11.120 --> 2:07:14.440 was less racism. So yeah, black famous people like Viola 2:07:14.520 --> 2:07:16.320 Davis could get paid as much as Meryl Street. You know, 2:07:16.360 --> 2:07:18.880 shit like that where we don't even know Michael Beach 2:07:18.920 --> 2:07:21.000 And I bring it up to a friend who's like, oh, 2:07:21.320 --> 2:07:24.520 started doing impressions of Michael Beach. That's how well known 2:07:24.560 --> 2:07:27.959 he was in you know, yeah, in the black community. 2:07:28.160 --> 2:07:31.280 And I don't. I didn't really know him past this episode. 2:07:31.360 --> 2:07:33.920 So yeah, it's just like to make sure you're watching 2:07:33.960 --> 2:07:37.960 different things, like watching things that aren't quote unquote made 2:07:38.000 --> 2:07:41.280 for you. Open your eyes, see different things. And I 2:07:41.320 --> 2:07:43.240 am a hypocrite. I don't want to read a subtitle 2:07:43.320 --> 2:07:44.760 to save my like, I don't want him. 2:07:46.640 --> 2:07:48.040 As I'm saying this, I'm lying. 2:07:48.560 --> 2:07:50.920 But whatever, this is a huge episode for us, a 2:07:51.000 --> 2:07:52.920 huge get we've been trying to get tomorrow up for 2:07:53.320 --> 2:07:56.360 I would say the beginning of day one. Yes, Day one, 2:07:56.880 --> 2:07:58.760 she you know, she works hard, she's out and about. 2:07:58.840 --> 2:08:02.360 We're so glad we trapped her, and I think, I 2:08:02.360 --> 2:08:03.360 hope I see her again. 2:08:03.880 --> 2:08:06.160 Yes, oh my god, to run into her in person 2:08:06.200 --> 2:08:09.120 and be like, it's me from Zoom, I would love it. 2:08:10.200 --> 2:08:12.440 We got to get to our what would Sister Peg do? 2:08:12.880 --> 2:08:15.879 That's our weekly segment where we direct you towards an article, 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:18.320 a blog post, I like to say. 2:08:18.520 --> 2:08:18.600 A. 2:08:20.200 --> 2:08:23.000 Documentary, an organization, something to give you more info about 2:08:23.040 --> 2:08:25.640 what we talked about today. And obviously one of the 2:08:25.720 --> 2:08:29.400 characters in this episode today was suffering from not only 2:08:29.520 --> 2:08:32.440 being gas lit, but serious grief, and so we'd like 2:08:32.480 --> 2:08:35.840 to point you to the organization Our House Grief Support Center. 2:08:36.480 --> 2:08:38.720 This is a group that provides community and support to 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:42.320 grieving children, teens, and adults who have lost something significant 2:08:42.320 --> 2:08:45.760 in their lives. They provide support groups, grief training. They 2:08:45.760 --> 2:08:47.960 even have free summer camp in LA for children and 2:08:47.960 --> 2:08:51.440 teens called Camp Aaron. I did a stand up comedy 2:08:51.440 --> 2:08:55.720 fundraiser for them one time, and it's a great organization. 2:08:55.920 --> 2:08:57.320 I just saw a lot of people there who have 2:08:57.360 --> 2:08:59.840 been really touched by this organization in a good way. 2:08:59.880 --> 2:09:03.160 So if you're interested in volunteering, donating, or finding out 2:09:03.240 --> 2:09:06.840 more information, head over to our House dash grief dot 2:09:06.920 --> 2:09:09.520 org and I will post that will always be posted 2:09:09.520 --> 2:09:11.880 in the show notes of the episode and in the 2:09:11.920 --> 2:09:13.720 stories the day the episode comes out and then saved 2:09:13.760 --> 2:09:16.680 forever in our WWSPD highlight on Instagram. 2:09:17.760 --> 2:09:19.440 Thank you so much for that. I didn't realize you 2:09:19.440 --> 2:09:22.400 did a show for them. That's incredible. 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