Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Yay?
Speaker 2: Another episode of That's Messed Up? An SVU podcast. I
Speaker 2: am Liza Traeger and I am Kara Klank And every
Speaker 2: week we bring you a recap of an episode of
Speaker 2: Law and Order SVU. We bring you the true crime
Speaker 2: it's based on, and a celebrity guest and wow, today's
Speaker 2: is gonna knock your little socks off. You may have
Speaker 2: remembered us posting a photo of us really excited about
Speaker 2: a guest a couple of weeks ago on our Instagram.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of you have been like, where's
Speaker 2: that episode? I think you can tell today's that. Today's
Speaker 2: the day? Yeah, and time flies, because I'm also noticing
Speaker 2: we're at like the one nineties in terms of episodes.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, what should we do for two hundred?
Speaker 2: You guys DMA or like, yeah, what should we do?
Speaker 2: Take our tops off? Like, I don't get I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do. Two hundred is huge.
Speaker 1: We got to figure out somebody good for two hundred
Speaker 1: for sure, or just something we do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can do.
Speaker 1: A retrospective favorite tech favorite.
Speaker 2: Do we do influencer stuff where we just get big
Speaker 2: balloons that say two hundred?
Speaker 3: Yeah those buy a pool thank you for two hundred? Yes,
Speaker 3: would love it.
Speaker 1: Also, well, I love is for you guys to come
Speaker 1: see us on the road. We are doing a little
Speaker 1: spooky season tour this October. I know it's summer and
Speaker 1: you're not even maybe thinking about fall plans, but get
Speaker 1: it poping you guys. Uh, you want to have a
Speaker 1: fun fall and I hope that we're a part of it.
Speaker 1: We are going to be in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, La,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and Portland, So grab those tickets. The links
Speaker 1: are all at that's messed up live dot com, where
Speaker 1: you can also scroll down to where it says Lisa's
Speaker 1: website and that takes you to her link tree that
Speaker 1: has her dates in San Diego and other roaddates that
Speaker 1: she has coming up. The big one Toronto we got
Speaker 1: you know, that's the Swift Weekend. We would love a
Speaker 1: fun time at Toronto And it's actually where Karen and
Speaker 1: I did our show. Yeah believe and you guys were
Speaker 1: so fun. That was such a fun I can't wait.
Speaker 1: What it was it Craig's cookies. Oh, I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the cookies with the nibs. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: should bring you some nibs.
Speaker 1: My kids just went to a piata party where it
Speaker 1: was just filled with fucking nibs and they don't like them.
Speaker 3: How many pinnadas were there? Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, they went to one where we when the third
Speaker 1: pinata wheeled out, I go, we gotta go, we got
Speaker 1: we can't.
Speaker 3: We can't do Lord of the Flies a third time.
Speaker 1: Like, it's just like the way they all swarm the
Speaker 1: candy and some kids are just I mean, Oscar came
Speaker 1: home with about I go, Jared, why would you bring
Speaker 1: home this much candy? Like this bag is filled to
Speaker 1: the brim and mostly with candy that he doesn't even like.
Speaker 3: No, your house is wild. It's like not a life
Speaker 3: I live like.
Speaker 2: We'll get candy from you know, the road or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then mine will be done in a day, and
Speaker 2: then I would go to your house months later and
Speaker 2: it would just be still in a drawer.
Speaker 3: And I just don't I don't live like it was psychotic.
Speaker 3: It is weird.
Speaker 1: Because like I have a psychotic one, but you just
Speaker 1: have like buckets just around town and your home. I know,
Speaker 1: part of me is like that's theirs, even though what's
Speaker 1: theirs is mine, but I'm like, that's their candy. But
Speaker 1: also I do crave sweets, like almost every night, and
Speaker 1: I usually just eat a couple of Scandinavian swimmers and
Speaker 1: like move on. And sometimes I just totally forget there's
Speaker 1: a candy bucket up there with like a bunch of it.
Speaker 3: Is weird.
Speaker 1: I would say that I normally in my twenties and
Speaker 1: even probably most of my thirties, I would candy could
Speaker 1: not survive in my house.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what happened. There's been a shift.
Speaker 2: I had a Snickers bar this past week, and like
Speaker 2: that should go in a like if there's not a portal,
Speaker 2: what are those things?
Speaker 3: A time capsule?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when the aliens come down, we need to
Speaker 1: show them Snickers immediately.
Speaker 3: It was so fucking good.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're just getting so high at my friend's
Speaker 2: hotel Terrace, but and I was like, I need a
Speaker 2: Snickers bar.
Speaker 3: I really hit every like every dream I had.
Speaker 2: But I think in a time cups would actually put
Speaker 2: peanut eminem's if I'm being honest.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a peanut butter eminem's.
Speaker 2: Sure, but that's not good enough for the capsule of
Speaker 2: Reese's peanut butter cup would represent the peanut butter candy
Speaker 2: community better in terms of aliens.
Speaker 3: That's fact. That's the fact.
Speaker 1: But I will also say something controversial. I really like
Speaker 1: the mini Reesis peanut butter cups. I like the chocolate
Speaker 1: to peanut butter ratio of those better than a full
Speaker 1: Reese's peanut butter cup. Also, no, I like how it's
Speaker 1: like thinner on the top of those, like bigger like
Speaker 1: the regular size ones.
Speaker 2: It's like a little cool. I mean, I yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like just thinking about the candy is
Speaker 2: driving me nuts.
Speaker 1: I mean I do love breaking the top shell, like
Speaker 1: breaking that little like lake of chocolate at the top.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like of a regular I do love it.
Speaker 1: I mean all Reeses candies, I mean the seasonal a
Speaker 1: you're kidding, A Christmas tree, a pumpkin. I'm an egg Like,
Speaker 1: I'll do all I do, all the seasonal Reeses.
Speaker 3: But you know.
Speaker 1: Not, Yeah, Rosie's talking about Halloween. But speaking of gigs
Speaker 1: that we.
Speaker 4: Have on the road.
Speaker 3: We're coming to San Diego. We love you in San Diego.
Speaker 1: A big story out of San Diego that a lot
Speaker 1: of you have been sending us. And I know, listen,
Speaker 1: we're we're about to take our little August break where
Speaker 1: I take my kids to camp and you know, we
Speaker 1: we we fuck off for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, but all our episodes are We're banked, baby, We're yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, we're You're not taking a break.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're not getting a break in our content, but
Speaker 1: we are deeply in the time machine. So yeah, at
Speaker 1: this point, it will be a little bit later. But
Speaker 1: people are sending us this article from People magazine of
Speaker 1: a girl who's fiance proposed to her with like a
Speaker 1: full day scavenger hunt that was SVU themed and he
Speaker 1: got a cameo from iced Tea for it. Oho, that's like,
Speaker 1: that's not that ain't cheap. I think that's like five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars is it? Oh my god, ic Tea, it's
Speaker 1: not affordable. Wow, for a double check, But okay, I
Speaker 1: just checked and it's six hundred plus is what it says.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he pulled out all the stops.
Speaker 1: It's an engagement you got you.
Speaker 2: There's like a quote where it's like to be loved
Speaker 2: is to be known or to be understood or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that's what this shows, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, he's really sweet when people give you
Speaker 1: something that you're like, I just this is encompasses what
Speaker 1: you're But also, this girl's name is Mattie Anderson.
Speaker 3: Maddie, are you listening to our podcast?
Speaker 1: Are you coming to our show at the Mike Drop
Speaker 1: at San Diego in October?
Speaker 3: Like you're obsessed with SVU?
Speaker 1: I hope she's a listener or if you know her,
Speaker 1: let her know about us, because we'd love to talk
Speaker 1: to about her. Uh yeah, that would be a fun,
Speaker 1: guess sectually, a little fun little talk about random woman. Yeah, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's end, because you know this could go wrong. We
Speaker 1: have covered on this podcast a man who did have
Speaker 1: his girlfriend fully kidnapped and you know, thought she was
Speaker 1: gonna die. Yeah, so this is like I bet he
Speaker 1: learned a little from that was to do Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it was more like you're being engaged to help with
Speaker 1: like a mission or something like that.
Speaker 3: That's kind of like you're.
Speaker 1: Being like you're a cop, so she you know, a
Speaker 1: good Cop, one of the SVU cops. So she was
Speaker 1: on a twelve It was a twelve hour excursion. All
Speaker 1: the clues were given out by my friends and family. Well, no,
Speaker 1: the first primate driver and an suv.
Speaker 2: Well, the first clue letter to a coffee shop where
Speaker 2: all her best friends were there.
Speaker 3: I love that. You have to know, you have to know.
Speaker 2: That's like like that been dating for ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you gotta.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I hope you've figured it out by now what she
Speaker 1: wants Jesus.
Speaker 2: Also, again this is old, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: anyone saw the deadline article came out for the movie
Speaker 2: I'm in, So that was we saw a surprise deadline.
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't even.
Speaker 2: Know what was happening. And so it's all the fun
Speaker 2: actors that are in it. And then my name is
Speaker 2: in the article, which is thrilling. But I was talking
Speaker 2: to her friend because so I sent my mom obviously
Speaker 2: the deadline and then she called me and I was
Speaker 2: just like I can't talk right now. That's why I
Speaker 2: texted it, you know what I mean, like, I'll call
Speaker 2: you later by and then I'm complaining to a friend,
Speaker 2: being like god, parents are so annoying, Like I texted
Speaker 2: her why would she call me? And then my friend
Speaker 2: was like, I think it's because it's a movie announcement
Speaker 2: that's like kind of exciting.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1: And she's trying to congratulate you and share in your
Speaker 1: excitement in a weird way.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, my mom is so annoying.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, no, that's true. It's true,
Speaker 2: it's true. Oh my god, I did give her some news.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have the fever. I have a fever.
Speaker 1: Thank god. We have like the pod and stand up
Speaker 1: and all these things. Like I don't know how actors
Speaker 1: do it, Like you just get off a set and
Speaker 1: then you sit down and have nothing to do, like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like because it is so exciting, and then I
Speaker 1: want more, Yeah, I want ye on more sets. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like what Joan Rivers used to say about comedy,
Speaker 1: like the worst thing is like the is having an
Speaker 1: empty calendar. You know, like you are a multi hyphen it,
Speaker 1: so you do a lot of different things, but if
Speaker 1: you're just focused on one thing, where like if nothing's coming,
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there, it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was really fun and cool and first
Speaker 2: time directors that actually live in my neighborhood, so I
Speaker 2: might might hang out.
Speaker 1: And sorry, say what it's called again? Oh damned if
Speaker 1: you do. Damned if you do, we will all be
Speaker 1: flooding the theaters as a collective podcast.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, it's an indie.
Speaker 2: We'll see when and how things like work. But there's
Speaker 2: so many good actors in it.
Speaker 1: That yeah, and I bet it'll have like a theatrical
Speaker 1: and then go to streaming and everyone can watch them
Speaker 1: streaming and yeah something, yeah, but you know how.
Speaker 3: For Nope by Kate.
Speaker 2: I went to the premiere I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 2: and they were like, you're not on the list, and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, please, I swear I'm in the movie,
Speaker 2: Like please let me in.
Speaker 3: I have a line.
Speaker 1: And they were like, but you can't go to the party,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, just let me in. But this,
Speaker 1: like in the official offer it said you have a
Speaker 1: plus one and you can go to the premiere house
Speaker 1: like okay, thank you, Okay, wonderful, wonderful. I just really
Speaker 1: quickly New Jersey Housewives. I know a lot of you
Speaker 1: don't even listen, but listen. New Jersey Housewives has been
Speaker 1: on for over a decade and it just kind of ended,
Speaker 1: like they haven't said that it's not going to come back,
Speaker 1: but the current season just ended in a wild, sort
Speaker 1: of weird last supper where a big bomb droll.
Speaker 2: It's funny because the Internet is pissed because Andy's like,
Speaker 2: don't worry the episode, well you'll you won't need a reunion,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we do.
Speaker 1: We still yeah, fuck, I could have used the reunion.
Speaker 1: But it's because there's no resolution.
Speaker 2: Like the whole point of the show is conflict, resolute
Speaker 2: and then resolution, and I just don't see these ladies
Speaker 2: that were having a resolution.
Speaker 3: But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I can't do You can't do conflict resolution with Teresa Judaye.
Speaker 1: She's simply too stupid. She literally just sits there when
Speaker 1: she doesn't like something you're saying and just goes horror horror,
Speaker 1: horror horror, like over and over again, like she can't
Speaker 1: argue like a smart person, and so how could she
Speaker 1: resolve conflict at all?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: But so basically, I love Marge. I love Margaret. I'm
Speaker 1: a march I'm like a Marge apologist. Stan, there's anyway.
Speaker 2: She's a great housewife, She's in an amazing marriage. She
Speaker 2: apologizes when she does something wrong and she brings it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. She pushed a man in the pool, so
Speaker 3: she sent.
Speaker 1: A funeral arrangement to a party that somebody was having
Speaker 1: for everybody to talk about her. She sent a funeral
Speaker 1: arrangement and was like, sorry for your loss of dignity.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's she just does iconic housewife shit.
Speaker 3: So basically this whole season is like you.
Speaker 2: So Teresa married a lunatic named Louis, and Louis has
Speaker 2: a lot of like dirt because he's a bad person,
Speaker 2: and so anytime the dirt comes up, Teresa's like, it's you, Marge,
Speaker 2: I know it's you. You got subpoena, like we're gonna
Speaker 2: take you to court. You met with his ex wife,
Speaker 2: you did this, you did this, And Marge just said
Speaker 2: she is not throughout, you know, like she's held on
Speaker 2: to it. And so they're at this table everything and
Speaker 2: then like this girl that's infiltrated Teresa and Jen who
Speaker 2: no one saw this coming, Like, how did you feel
Speaker 2: when Jackie admitted it was her? So it's Jackie who
Speaker 2: is Teresa's fred like she's been using Teresa whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe it. Can you
Speaker 1: describe it? I'm doing really mad to describe it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so to describe it. Jackie always hated Teresa. Then suddenly
Speaker 1: this season when she becomes a friend of which is
Speaker 1: a demotion on the Housewives, she's best friends with Teresa. Okay, like,
Speaker 1: so their friend and now and now it comes out
Speaker 1: that she's the one who met with the ex and
Speaker 1: is probably the one that's been providing her with all
Speaker 1: this information pre their friendship. So Teresa's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: forgive her though, because it was pre our friendship. But
Speaker 1: she can't say, oh, maybe it wasn't Marge, she still
Speaker 1: thinks it's March.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she still it's margin.
Speaker 2: And then Melissa goes, oh, the sprinkle cookies we could
Speaker 2: still talk about.
Speaker 1: But you're gonna forgive Jackie. You're gonna forgive this right now.
Speaker 1: And even Jenna Aden was like, she's still processing. She's processing,
Speaker 1: like she's she's gonna figure this out like later, like
Speaker 1: because I think it.
Speaker 3: Was like two so basically she was gonna get dinner.
Speaker 1: Marge goes, you're the one that met with the ex
Speaker 1: to Jackie, and Jackie goes, Margaret, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: That's not true. She said that's not true like four times.
Speaker 1: And then there was a moment where she just turned
Speaker 1: in Teresa and she goes.
Speaker 2: Well, no, Melissa goes, I don't know, Maybe you should
Speaker 2: tell the truth. Maybe there's the proof versus there's'sibly proof. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And then Dolores looked beautiful. I mean, I just want
Speaker 2: those bangs. Her curtain bangs are everything I dream of,
Speaker 2: Like I've never envied Laura. It's like gorgeous, Yeah, gorgeous, stunning.
Speaker 2: I don't know why she dates all these loser men
Speaker 2: that will not commit to her. I would like give
Speaker 2: my whole life up for Dolores. Oh my god. When
Speaker 2: Dolores swore at fucking when she.
Speaker 1: Yelled at Marge, I was like, this is oh my
Speaker 1: My heart was in my chest. I was like, I've
Speaker 1: never been terrified and turned on like that before. But
Speaker 1: so then Jackie you could see her thinking about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, fuck do I tell that? She's like, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be proof, and then she goes, I did it.
Speaker 1: I met with her. I met with her.
Speaker 2: I like I could not believe it, and then Jackie,
Speaker 2: it's like you're a fool, loyal to no one, like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. And so then she's walking alone
Speaker 2: and then they go she needs a diaper because I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's scared shitless, but she's walking and then
Speaker 2: she sees the women are standing chatting, and then she
Speaker 2: starts walking backwards to avoid them, Like what a disgusting end,
Speaker 2: Like I don't even know how her husband's going to
Speaker 2: be with her, Like I like humiliating.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't mind Jackie when she first first
Speaker 1: came on.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, she's too desperate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't know that because at first she
Speaker 1: acted like she was a little bit she's like a
Speaker 1: former lawyer.
Speaker 3: She writes.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, she acted like she was like
Speaker 1: a little bit smarter than all of them that she
Speaker 1: didn't really like she would she would kind of call
Speaker 1: Teresa out and be like, well, how can you say
Speaker 1: that when your husband's in jail? You know, Like I
Speaker 1: liked her little call outs at the beginning her early seasons,
Speaker 1: and then you could tell when she got that emotion
Speaker 1: that she was like, fuck, I need to be on
Speaker 1: this show. I want to be on this show, and
Speaker 1: being at odds with Teresa is not doing it for me.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna be friends with her.
Speaker 1: Started this friendship, but couldn't erase all the shit she
Speaker 1: did before they became friends, and it came out at
Speaker 1: the end.
Speaker 2: I mean, she lied for so long and then and
Speaker 2: then Teresa goes and I subpoenaed you, and then Margie goes,
Speaker 2: You subpoenaed the wrong bitch. Like it was. It was
Speaker 2: a cool dinner. We're also forgetting. I mean, Danielle, like you, Danielle.
Speaker 2: It sucks when jen Aiden wins a fight because I
Speaker 2: think I'm a despicable human. But like Danielle, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: you can't resort to physical violence or you lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also, you brought up the husbands. You brought
Speaker 1: up her husband, and then she brought up you, and
Speaker 1: then she came back at you. But think about the husband,
Speaker 1: and then it was like, don't talk about my husband's
Speaker 1: Like no, you brought.
Speaker 3: Up the husbands. You got you open the door to that,
Speaker 3: and then you got violin.
Speaker 2: I like don't even know if we've made sense at
Speaker 2: all to anybody, But it was a good episode and
Speaker 2: a kind of icon and then they did montages and
Speaker 2: black and white, like if.
Speaker 1: You like and you like, and you like Big Anne,
Speaker 1: who I've referenced before for Murder, then you might want
Speaker 1: to just watch this episode as a standalone. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like very Mafia Wives, Like they all show up
Speaker 1: and wearing a shack in black, like it's a funeral.
Speaker 1: It's like their final supper to all hash out their issues,
Speaker 1: and nobody hashes out anything. So I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: going to be a full recast or they'll keep like
Speaker 1: Danielle and Dolores and Marge and build around them, like
Speaker 1: who are they gonna?
Speaker 3: I just wonder.
Speaker 1: But like I was watching Watch What Happens that came
Speaker 1: on after it, and Danny Pellegrino was like, we need Teresa.
Speaker 1: I've just known her for so long and asked Dolores
Speaker 1: who would you bring back if you could bring back
Speaker 1: to and she was like she was like Fessler, I
Speaker 1: love Teresa, of course I've known forever.
Speaker 3: So those were the two she picked, And I was like, I.
Speaker 1: Think Teresa, I like Feslar, but Fessler leaving was nuts bad,
Speaker 1: so dumb I thought she'd Leaven come back or something.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: She was like I'm over this, but it's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is the show, this is your job. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you what do you think you're on like a like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm like a TLC show.
Speaker 3: Those aren't even like, you know, wholesome anymore.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's it's just the end of an
Speaker 1: era of like the the messiest of all the housewives.
Speaker 1: They're always the ones that get like screaming matches. The
Speaker 1: most physical violence against each other probably are the Jerseys, right,
Speaker 1: would you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because Teresa like phys like shoved Andy as well,
Speaker 2: you know name Yeah, and the.
Speaker 1: Ponytail, the guy getting thrown in the pool. I mean
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of there's been a lot of hands.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean the men fighting and that like therapy
Speaker 2: thing when it was Joe Joe. Yeah, you're right, the
Speaker 2: most physical violence is Jersey. Yeah, I think so if
Speaker 2: you're into that kind of thing. But I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna reak, I don't know. Oh,
Speaker 2: and this is coming tomorrow if you are in New York.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a show at Union Hall called Show and
Speaker 2: Tell at seven thirty, So if you'd like to come
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: That's some fun people. Wednesday eight twenty one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get those tickets. Although by the time this comes out
Speaker 1: they might be sold out, but hope go check it.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll be stand by. Yeah, maybe we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: It's like your Union halls always sell out.
Speaker 2: I love that place. I just well, you know, I
Speaker 2: love New York. Let's not yeah, let's not get me
Speaker 2: on this. Let's not get me going. Let's not get
Speaker 2: me going. All right, we'll start the app. We'll start
Speaker 2: the app. Yeah, let's get going. This up episode is wild.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Today we are doing the episode Shattered from season eleven,
Speaker 1: episode twenty four. This baby came out in May of
Speaker 1: twenty ten, which is the season finale of season eleven,
Speaker 1: Stabler's penultimate season. So we open this episode on great
Speaker 1: moments in child acting.
Speaker 3: It's two eight year olds. They're chatting as they get
Speaker 3: off the bus.
Speaker 1: The girl's like that necklace is so neat, and he's like,
Speaker 1: it's an amulet from the Mossuo people. And my mom
Speaker 1: brought it for me from Tibet and she's like, so cool,
Speaker 1: Text me if you figure out those fractions. So Nicholas
Speaker 1: and Becca are their names, and they part ways. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: Nicholas is crossing the street, a cab screeches to a halt,
Speaker 1: just inches from hitting him. Then the cabby gets out
Speaker 1: and starts screaming at a child. Nicholas is a New
Speaker 1: York kid, so he's giving it right back, and a
Speaker 1: woman on a bike comes up to back up the
Speaker 1: kid and she's like, no, don't listen to him, kid,
Speaker 1: this guy almost hit me a block back. Then a
Speaker 1: truck driver pipes in and he's like, if you just
Speaker 1: don't move your rash as I'm running every every body ova.
Speaker 1: So it's a real New York moment. It's a good
Speaker 1: old fashioned NYC scream vest. Meanwhile, Nicholas has moved on
Speaker 1: and he's just walking away when all three adults who
Speaker 1: are involved in this little altercation look over and see
Speaker 1: him getting pulled into a van. He's just getting fully
Speaker 1: snatched into this van that wild wildly is like not
Speaker 1: just a plain white van. It's got like flowers and
Speaker 1: weird like hippie stuff seemingly like painted on the side.
Speaker 1: Very reminiscent of the most recent season where Maddie gets
Speaker 1: taken by some kind of hippie van. This is more
Speaker 1: flowers and kids stuff. Anyway, cut to Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: on the scene interviewing all the screaming people. They're all
Speaker 1: saying different shit. Some of them thinks Nicholas is eight,
Speaker 1: some of them think he's ten. Some of them think
Speaker 1: he's like five feet tall. Some of them are like, no,
Speaker 1: he's like you know a kid, he's four feet Some
Speaker 1: say brown hair, black hair, and it's they're trying to
Speaker 1: show you. I think how eyewitnesses are truly, like, very
Speaker 1: unreliable a lot of the time. The cabby says the
Speaker 1: kidnapper was white. The truck driver was like, no, he
Speaker 1: was dark skinned, a foreigner, and he goes foreign like
Speaker 1: he says it to the cabby like it's a slur.
Speaker 1: And the woman on the bike is like you he
Speaker 1: was wearing gloves and you could only see his hands,
Speaker 1: like everybody chill. So these people are not helping and
Speaker 1: Nicholas is gone, and boom it's the credits. So we
Speaker 1: got there very fast. Back at the precinct, who is there?
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of these starts, like there's one
Speaker 2: where that's like the girls and the puppy, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: just a lot of kids are getting snatched in front
Speaker 2: of crossing guards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right out right, and it's classic intro.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, it is such a wild thing
Speaker 1: to do in New York City where you could literally
Speaker 1: speed down one block and then just be stopped in traffic.
Speaker 1: Like it's hard to actually be in hot pursuit in
Speaker 1: New York City, you know.
Speaker 2: So now anytime I see an ambulance, I go, oh god,
Speaker 2: I know, like I would hate to really have an.
Speaker 3: Emergency in this city.
Speaker 1: It is tight, that's right, and it's clogged, and you
Speaker 1: hear the siren and you just there's nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, I uh so back at the precinct at
Speaker 1: the time, A BacT one Sharon Stone arrives and this
Speaker 1: is actually the final episode of her four episode arc
Speaker 1: as eighty A. Joe Marlowe, I really love Sharon Stone.
Speaker 1: She seems really wacky. We follow her on the That's
Speaker 1: Messed Up account, so I'm always like getting like she's
Speaker 1: painting in her underwear, like she's just funny, and we
Speaker 1: do want her on the pod if anyone has any connects.
Speaker 1: I went to her IMDb and actually, what's really weird
Speaker 1: is like she has so many IMDb credits, but a
Speaker 1: lot of them are commercials. I didn't know commercials were
Speaker 1: on IMDb. Now I'm gonna have to get my Carvana
Speaker 1: commercial added to my IMDb.
Speaker 3: But she's also been in a ton of music videos lately.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, what she's been up to lately,
Speaker 1: And she has been in a lot of music videos,
Speaker 1: so check that out. She obviously rocketed to prominence by
Speaker 1: showing her vagina for three seconds and that rocked the
Speaker 1: nation in the movie Basic Instinct. But then she was
Speaker 1: also in Casino. She was in a lot of very like,
Speaker 1: sort of smutty type Basic Instinct movies that came out
Speaker 1: right as I was like basically hitting puberty, like liver
Speaker 1: and so like. She was always very like a sexual
Speaker 1: like person to me because I'd seen her have sex
Speaker 1: so many times. So she is rushing into the precinct
Speaker 1: where the gang is ready to show her the footage
Speaker 1: of Nicholas's kidnapping that they got off of you know,
Speaker 1: some kind of street camera. They can't see much on
Speaker 1: the tape except that the van says Gary's goofer rama.
Speaker 1: Kids parties are my specialty, and I just think a
Speaker 1: police car should be following that van at all times,
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a scary van. Gary's Gooferrama. No,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. It just sounds like a pedophile front.
Speaker 1: In the next scene, a clown is coming out of
Speaker 1: Gary's Gooferama, the brick and mortar shop that a clown runs,
Speaker 1: and Olivia yells freeze NYPD and the startled clown lets
Speaker 1: all of his balloons go and he goes, ah, my
Speaker 1: balloons are getting away, and Stabler grabs him and goes, well,
Speaker 1: you're not. And it's kind of just one of the
Speaker 1: best movies like moments I've seen on the show, Like
Speaker 1: they tell a clown to freeze, he lets go of
Speaker 1: all his balloons and goes they're getting away, and Stabler's like.
Speaker 5: Well you're not.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the writing, I love everything about it.
Speaker 1: And they're like, where's the boy and he's like, what
Speaker 1: are you guys talking about? He takes off his wig.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm Gary. It's like, well we figured, I mean,
Speaker 1: how many employees are at Gary's Gouferama. They find They're like,
Speaker 1: where's your van and he's like, it's right over there,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't run in six months, so basically, this
Speaker 1: purp has copied the van. Meanwhile, Gary is pissed because
Speaker 1: that was a bonzo birthday bouquet that he just released
Speaker 1: into the sky, and he's sending NYPD a bill. But
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler have to bounce before they can pay
Speaker 1: for the balloons because they just found the real van.
Speaker 1: When they show up under a bridge where they love
Speaker 1: to hang out on, SVU put this in the under
Speaker 1: the bridge super cut that we're.
Speaker 3: Planning on making.
Speaker 1: You know. The fire department is just extinguishing the van,
Speaker 1: which has been on like lit on fire. So they're like,
Speaker 1: this purp is a pro. He faked the van on
Speaker 1: purpose to throw the cops off. A firefighter brings them
Speaker 1: a burnt up backpack and in it is a book
Speaker 1: from white Thorne Academy. So that's getting us a little
Speaker 1: bit more close to identifying the kid. So at the school,
Speaker 1: the principal ida is the boy as Nicholas. All's a
Speaker 1: third grader. When they mentioned the abduction, the principal goes, wow,
Speaker 1: she really did it, and she explains that Nicholas's mother
Speaker 1: is Sophie Girard. She's French and a bit unbalanced. Even
Speaker 1: before Nicholas's dad got soul custody. This perks their little
Speaker 1: ears right up, because moms don't often lose custody of
Speaker 1: their kids to the dad, you know, like that's just
Speaker 1: a fact, Like moms get custody more, and like you
Speaker 1: have to be doing something pretty wild. I would say
Speaker 1: to get soul, but Sophie claims she is Nicholas's true
Speaker 1: parent according to the principle and would not onno, the
Speaker 1: court's decision, and the dad is not picking up because
Speaker 1: he's showing a house in Montalk. The principal continues, and
Speaker 1: she says Sophie would storm the playground at Recess to
Speaker 1: see Nicholas. She one time she pushed me and I
Speaker 1: threatened to call the cops. And now Sophie never comes
Speaker 1: on to school property. She kind of knows where to
Speaker 1: find him, right outside the school gates. So now they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so now this is a domestic snatching, Like they look
Speaker 1: at the footage of the day at school, and it
Speaker 1: turns out Sophie was there on this extremely sharp color
Speaker 1: surveillance camera footage that they have at Whitethorne Academy. Damn,
Speaker 1: Sophie is giving Nicholas something and he doesn't seem thrilled
Speaker 1: to see her. They want to know what she is saying,
Speaker 1: so they bring the footage to this random cop to
Speaker 1: come and lip read, and he goes she's saying, I
Speaker 1: have something for you, Nicholas, all the way from Tibet.
Speaker 1: What is it, mom? A way to keep you safe.
Speaker 1: Just remember whatever happens, don't be scared. J tem ja
Speaker 1: tem Nicholas, which means I love you in French, in
Speaker 1: case you've never heard of Madonna song. Yeah, wait, what's
Speaker 1: the Madonna song? Oh no, sorry, never mind the Madonna song.
Speaker 1: She says sorry in like forty different languages, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure she says tem at one.
Speaker 3: Point in a song s.
Speaker 1: So Joe Marlowe Sharon Stone tells this cop, great job,
Speaker 1: and he goes, thanks, I have a deaf grandma who
Speaker 1: will be happy to know that. Why would you be
Speaker 1: good at lip reading because your grandmother is deaf? Why
Speaker 1: would that be a skill you have?
Speaker 3: Maybe they would practice together, like that was their hangout,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But it's like I went to college with a girl
Speaker 1: who was deaf and she was amazing at lip reading,
Speaker 1: and it was never like you had to know how
Speaker 1: to lip reed to talk to her or anything. She
Speaker 1: like would just be like, could you turn your face
Speaker 1: to me in class when you're talking to me.
Speaker 3: We'd be like, no prob.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Like maybe they would sit at the park and she
Speaker 1: would teach him, Oh, this is how you do it,
Speaker 1: like how you read lips.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I seed to be a spy. Yeah, so whatever.
Speaker 1: I guess this cop who he comes back in episode.
Speaker 1: His name is Nelson and he is like, you know,
Speaker 1: the hero for knowing the lip reading. I also do
Speaker 1: love that girl on TikTok who does all the lip
Speaker 1: readings of like what people are saying at fashion week
Speaker 1: and like at award shows when celebrities are talking to
Speaker 1: each other. She's taken over the world. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: no celebrity is safe, Like, yeah, you cannot. You have
Speaker 1: to like literally put your hands up. You have to
Speaker 1: make a guard.
Speaker 3: She's gonna find me you are talking.
Speaker 2: She is there. But I wonder how she's monetizing it.
Speaker 2: I just hope she's making money.
Speaker 1: But I would love to know how to lip bread,
Speaker 1: to be honest, But I don't. I don't know that
Speaker 1: this guy got tutoring from his grandma.
Speaker 3: We'll see.
Speaker 1: In Walks Nicholas's dad Paul Olson. So the guy playing
Speaker 1: Paul Olsen. This is this broke my brain. He's named
Speaker 1: d W. Moffett, and I've heard that name before. He
Speaker 1: works a lot. He was like on Chicago Med for
Speaker 1: a while. He was a regular on the show Switched
Speaker 1: at Birth for like who knew that had one hundred
Speaker 1: and four episodes.
Speaker 3: At least he was on Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 1: And then I google him and one of the first
Speaker 1: results I see is this movie from nineteen ninety called
Speaker 1: Lisa that is one of my childhood obsessions. It was
Speaker 1: one of these like cheap shitty movies that they just
Speaker 1: put on HBO that I would just catch all the time.
Speaker 1: And it starred Stacy Keenan from My Two Dads and
Speaker 1: step by Step. She actually has a podcast that Stephen
Speaker 1: Morris produces is Now where she and the girl who
Speaker 1: plays Al from Step by Step. It's like a rewatch
Speaker 1: podcast of Step by Step and Stacy Keenan was in it.
Speaker 1: And at the time she was like a star to me.
Speaker 1: She'd been on all these shows. She and her friends
Speaker 1: are like fourteen or something like that. They would see
Speaker 1: hot guys and they would find out their license plate
Speaker 1: numbers and then like call the DMV and somehow get
Speaker 1: the licesn of the DMB to give them their names
Speaker 1: and numbers. Then they would call them and like play
Speaker 1: like little phone sexy games with them, right, and then
Speaker 1: she does it to a serial killer and DW. Moffett
Speaker 1: plays the serial killer. So this guy that plays out
Speaker 1: I want to see this movie. Yeah, and like I
Speaker 1: think her mom and then and then the serial killer
Speaker 1: thinks it's her mom, so he starts stalking her mom
Speaker 1: to kill her. Like this movie is like in my
Speaker 1: mind forever, Like I was obsessed with Lisa, So if
Speaker 1: you ever if anyone's another Lisa head, please hit me
Speaker 1: up on the GRAM. But that's this guy and he's
Speaker 1: terrifying in this movie because he's a sex maniac as
Speaker 1: they call it, and I aim to be a sex
Speaker 1: maniac and serial killer. So anyway, he barges in, like
Speaker 1: have you arrested this bitch yet, like he is pissed
Speaker 1: about his ex, right, and Elliott goes, you must be
Speaker 1: the boy's father, and he goes, who else would I be?
Speaker 1: And then he catches himself and he's like, sorry, I
Speaker 1: was being bitchy, and he introduces himself and he's like,
Speaker 1: they're like, well, we would love some help tracking down
Speaker 1: your ex wife and he's like, never my wife, like
Speaker 1: they were never married. Sophie doesn't believe in it, and
Speaker 1: Live goes because she's French, and I was like, is
Speaker 1: that a thing to French people not get married? And
Speaker 1: he goes, no, because she's nuts. She's an anthropologist. She
Speaker 1: has a fellowship at Columbia, and she's obsessed with matriarchal cultures,
Speaker 1: So cultures where women run everything.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's nuts, but insane.
Speaker 2: Men should leave lyda Yeasher is not insane insane.
Speaker 1: If she was out there like following tribes up that
Speaker 1: were run by men, it would be important work, you know.
Speaker 1: But because she's doing this, it's insane. She's like traveled
Speaker 1: all as a fuckedor yeah, he says, she traveled all
Speaker 1: the time, India, Peru. She was always leaving us. Two
Speaker 1: years ago, she discovered a tribe in China and wanted
Speaker 1: Nicholas there right before school started, and he said no,
Speaker 1: and she went crazy. He goes, she's very smart and
Speaker 1: he would not put this kidnapping past her. And the
Speaker 1: minute she got on the plane to China, he changed
Speaker 1: the locks and filed for soul custody. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: think that you would get soul custody based on leaving
Speaker 1: on a work trip. That doesn't feel how the system works.
Speaker 1: But again my lawyer, girlies and guys can weigh in here.
Speaker 1: So now they're knocking on Sophie's door. She answers it.
Speaker 1: And this is French actress Isabelle Uperer. She is the
Speaker 1: French Meryl Streep. I will say she's one. She's considered
Speaker 1: like the most well known French actress. She's won tons
Speaker 1: of awards.
Speaker 2: She's I hurt huckabees right, I don't know she's in that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But she was nominated for an Oscar in twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: for the movie l which is a French movie and
Speaker 1: so very it's very rare for like the foreign films
Speaker 1: to have Best Actor and Actress nominees. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it happens like Roberto Benini, I think was nominated,
Speaker 1: you know, but like you.
Speaker 3: Know, this was her nomination she got.
Speaker 1: And the plot of the movie, which I read on Wikipedia,
Speaker 1: is very sv and crazy, like psychologically like wild. So
Speaker 1: check out the movie El if you into more of
Speaker 1: that weird stuff.
Speaker 3: My heart Huckabees.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite movies because that I think it
Speaker 2: famously is the movie where Lily Tomlin's jo of her
Speaker 2: screaming at David o'russell, who I'm sure deserved it, yes
Speaker 2: to an extreme, And that's why I feel like Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 2: He got her so young and then she would do whatever,
Speaker 2: like you can't fucking don't treat.
Speaker 3: Lily, you cannot come for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's just like I have to do it again
Speaker 2: and again.
Speaker 3: We've got it anyway.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stabler want to talk to her inside, so
Speaker 1: she turns off her African drum music that she's listening to,
Speaker 1: and they want to talk about why she saw Nicholas
Speaker 1: in violation of a court order, Like he has soul custody,
Speaker 1: so she's not allowed to go see him at school.
Speaker 1: Like that is crazy, Like there's if he does a play,
Speaker 1: she's not allowed to go watch the play.
Speaker 3: Like that to me is like is there a restraining order?
Speaker 1: I don't get that, Like why would there be a
Speaker 1: straight restaining order unless she has physically done something to
Speaker 1: hurt him anyway?
Speaker 3: You know whatever? The show plays fast and loose.
Speaker 1: Sometimes she denies seeing him and they're like, babe, we
Speaker 1: have the footage, like drop the act, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't. She seems to not even know Nicholas is
Speaker 1: even missing, and Stabler's like, let's talk downtown and starts
Speaker 1: man handling her and she's like speaking French, going what
Speaker 1: are you doing?
Speaker 3: Are you crazy?
Speaker 1: And then they take her off and she's like, what's
Speaker 1: happened to Nicholas? Like they're not even telling her, they're
Speaker 1: just hauling her off. So when people say they don't
Speaker 1: like cops, it's like this kind of thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: tell me why you're pulling me over. Stop being a dick,
Speaker 1: you know. At the priest although I will say I
Speaker 1: just got pulled over last week and he didn't give
Speaker 1: me a ticket. I think because I had my kids
Speaker 1: with me. So I appreciate that one cop because I
Speaker 1: cannot you another.
Speaker 3: Ticket right now.
Speaker 1: She said, I was going like fifty down this hill.
Speaker 1: It's like a hill where everybody's speeding, and he's like
Speaker 1: you were going fifty and the speed limit is like
Speaker 1: thirty five and I was like, sorry, I didn't realize,
Speaker 1: and he was like like I'm just trying to get
Speaker 1: home with my kids, and he was like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to write you a ticket today.
Speaker 3: I was like, thank God. But he was waiting at
Speaker 3: the bottom of that hill to grab.
Speaker 1: I think at first because of the last interaction they had,
Speaker 1: which I think I talked about on this podcast, where
Speaker 1: a cop was really awful to Jared and was like
Speaker 1: banging on the hood of our car. So I think
Speaker 1: they were scared of and they they afterwards they were like,
Speaker 1: that was a nice police officer, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 3: He was pretty nice.
Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to teach them that they can go
Speaker 1: to the police, but that they are bad and good
Speaker 1: police officers. So it's it's tricky. It's tricky territory. So
Speaker 1: now it's the top of act two. At the precinct,
Speaker 1: they keep asking where's Nicholas. Where's Nicholas? She doesn't know,
Speaker 1: but also she's like, I have rights, I'm his mother.
Speaker 1: But then the dad appears like, no, you're not a mother,
Speaker 1: raises their child, makes him breakfast, takes care of him
Speaker 1: when he's sick, tucks him into bed. He accuses her
Speaker 1: of abandoning Nicholas. She insists that she came back and
Speaker 1: Paul has his head filled with lies about her.
Speaker 3: They separate.
Speaker 1: This is all happening like in the precinct open area
Speaker 1: where they always manage to make two people that hate
Speaker 1: each other run into each other by accident. So that's
Speaker 1: also like your kid is missing, so yeah, let's together
Speaker 1: hill on the fighting and like, let's yeah join forces
Speaker 1: for like a minute.
Speaker 3: We can fight later.
Speaker 1: So they separate them and Craigan sends Finn to toss
Speaker 1: Sophie's place. Sophie is now an interrogation with Stabler and
Speaker 1: the dad is in with Benson and they're kind of
Speaker 1: cutting back and forth, you know how they do this
Speaker 1: on the show. So Sophie, Stabler's like like getting really
Speaker 1: closer for going where's Nicholas. It's like your sexiness is
Speaker 1: not going to get her to give up this info.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, she doesn't know, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, go why don't you go out there and
Speaker 1: find his ass? And she's worried that Nicholas is scared,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like Stabler, who as a reminder, is never
Speaker 1: around for his kids, starts guilting her for abandoning her
Speaker 1: son and Sophie's like, bitch, I have to travel for
Speaker 1: my work. And it's like, have we ever seen Stabler
Speaker 1: lay into a father who travels for work, like these
Speaker 1: guys can get off the plane from like Kenya and
Speaker 1: he's like, how is your business trip? Everything okay? He's
Speaker 1: not like you abandon your children for your work. And
Speaker 1: this just has happened to me. So I'm very like
Speaker 1: mad and triggered by this because I did have one
Speaker 1: of my son's teachers sort of criticize me for traveling
Speaker 1: for work, and I had to tell someone else to
Speaker 1: tell her that she can't do that because I know
Speaker 1: she doesn't do that too.
Speaker 3: The dad's at the school, so you know.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I study tribal cultures and they exist
Speaker 1: in remote areas, so I'm a jet set or baby.
Speaker 1: Deal with it, like, this is where I have to
Speaker 1: go for my work. Cutting back and forth to Benson
Speaker 1: talking to the dad, and he's like that kids need routine,
Speaker 1: they need consistency.
Speaker 3: But that's not Sophie. She hates convention.
Speaker 1: She thinks he'd be better off with a yak herders
Speaker 1: than at Whitethorne Academy. And he goes in my book,
Speaker 1: that's child abuse, and it's like, your book is dumb,
Speaker 1: that's not child abuse. Like, look, it's probably we should
Speaker 1: let the kid make it. At eight, I think you
Speaker 1: can decide whether you want to go be with some
Speaker 1: yach hurders or be at a.
Speaker 3: Prep school in New York City.
Speaker 1: The dad, Paul, says that Sophie has never been physically
Speaker 1: violent with Nicholas, but did get increasingly violent with him
Speaker 1: towards the end of their relationship, especially when he put
Speaker 1: his foot down about China. He goes, I put my
Speaker 1: foot down and she almost chopped it off with an axe.
Speaker 1: Back to Sophie, She's like, the axe is from the
Speaker 1: Caramajong people of Uganda.
Speaker 3: She says.
Speaker 2: Paul was very annagasttre mean girls. Yeah, but Katie, you
Speaker 2: love ladye Smith's Blackbombasa. So God, your ability to remember
Speaker 2: these moments, it's crazy and it's so wild because when
Speaker 2: I'm out in the world and someone's talking about something,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, that's a care that's a
Speaker 2: Clank family classic.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my two friends yesterday and I go, oh,
Speaker 1: Lisa loves that. And they were like, who's Lisa, And
Speaker 1: I go oh, she's my podcast ghost.
Speaker 3: And they were like, right, right, right, like, but.
Speaker 1: I was just saying it like I was talking about
Speaker 1: you know, one of my kids or something or Jared like,
Speaker 1: but you know, I know you're like some dislikes, probably
Speaker 1: better than anyone else besides those three people.
Speaker 2: Well, especially when I flew off the handle at the
Speaker 2: diet coke situation.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you snapped. I know I have a note now.
Speaker 1: I keep a note in my ass so that I
Speaker 1: don't fuck up again. So yeah, she's like Paul was
Speaker 1: trying to destroy all my artifacts and I was trying
Speaker 1: to save the acts.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 1: It's not a weapon. It's like a symbol of fertility
Speaker 1: or something. But Sophie and Paul are both calling each
Speaker 1: other habitual liars to the cops. Paul is like, please,
Speaker 1: you have to find Nicholas. I know she has him behind.
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, both.
Speaker 2: Of you are annoying. Yeah, it's like I don't like
Speaker 2: either of you. Usually when people are fighting, I like
Speaker 2: one of them. This, I'm like, I don't want any
Speaker 2: of you to have custody on it, you know.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: The first time I watched this episode, like when it
Speaker 1: came on fourteen years ago. Her accent was like grading
Speaker 1: on me. I was like, I don't like the accent
Speaker 1: for some reason. It's like I know other friend, I
Speaker 1: know French people. I just her accent specifically, like the
Speaker 1: way she was talking was bothering me. But when I
Speaker 1: rewatched it this time, I was like, oh, I'm on
Speaker 1: her side, like very hard now because you know it's
Speaker 1: now yeah, and also how the episode fucking turns out.
Speaker 3: But let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Behind the glass, Joe Marlowe is watching and Finn brings
Speaker 1: her evidence from Sophie's place and is like, it was
Speaker 1: a gold mine. So now she walks into the interrogation
Speaker 1: room and Sophie is like, oh, finally a woman is here.
Speaker 1: Now she'll understand that I would never hurt my son.
Speaker 1: Joe throws down a frunch passport for Nicholas and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted him to have his citizenship. Like I would say,
Speaker 1: most people that are European living in the US are
Speaker 1: trying to get a passport for their kids from their
Speaker 1: home country because it makes it way easier to travel
Speaker 1: around the world. You can go live and work in
Speaker 1: Europe if you have an EU. I mean for while
Speaker 1: the EU still exists anyway. They go, well, we also
Speaker 1: checked your computer and found two one way tickets to
Speaker 1: Beijing for you and Nicholas. She goes, I wanted my
Speaker 1: boy back, and he belongs with me and Joe's like
Speaker 1: in a village in China. Everybody's being very judgmental about
Speaker 1: the village in China. I wonder how long they would
Speaker 1: be there?
Speaker 3: Two months?
Speaker 1: That could be kind of like a fun experience. She's like,
Speaker 1: Nicholas would love it there. Children are allowed to have
Speaker 1: a childhood and now which I will agree that in
Speaker 1: New York, growing up in New York City, those kids
Speaker 1: grow up fast. Just from my two my three cousins
Speaker 1: that are from there. New York City kids do grow
Speaker 1: up fast, Sony kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Down about in the train, it's.
Speaker 2: Different, yeah, open, and you're getting your own little sandwiches.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is twenty ten. They're texting at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Becka goes, text me when you get those fractions. They're eight,
Speaker 1: They have their own phones and they're texting, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to hold off till twelve
Speaker 1: or something out here, but we'll see.
Speaker 3: Hold out as long as you can.
Speaker 2: Because you know, the tech people don't give their kids phones, right,
Speaker 2: you probably shouldn't neither.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and mine aren't addicted to iPads yet, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's good too. Like we don't really do
Speaker 1: a lot of iPad shit, So because we don't really,
Speaker 1: Jared just has one for reading anyway.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it would help my life.
Speaker 3: They just I just don't need that kind of pressure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like the idea of the iPad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I when I see to let airports, I go, wow,
Speaker 3: that's cool. But I don't. I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't want the responsibility of keeping the iPad and
Speaker 2: also pad.
Speaker 3: And I plug in the iPad. The headphones are enough
Speaker 3: and phones are fine for me.
Speaker 1: Like I can watch an episode if I download some
Speaker 1: stuff on Hulu before I get onto a flight, like
Speaker 1: I can watch it on my phone and I feel
Speaker 1: fine with that.
Speaker 2: So you know my memory capacity on every device I
Speaker 2: have every Yeah thing, I'm just I don't think I
Speaker 2: can download anything.
Speaker 3: We got to get you at ten. We got to
Speaker 3: get you your own tech guy. We have to.
Speaker 1: So Stabler and Marlowe now are ganging up on her
Speaker 1: demanding to know where's the kid, and Marlow's like, you
Speaker 1: can can can your ass off, doctor Gerard, but you
Speaker 1: got some explaining to do.
Speaker 3: And it's like, wow, you hate French people, like.
Speaker 1: These people are like there's just these little French disses
Speaker 1: like cam Can that's from like from like the.
Speaker 3: Twenties or something. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: But Marlow's like, why don't you explain why you borrowed
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars from your parents two weeks ago? And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, that's not illegal, and they're like, well
Speaker 1: after that, you started calling a prepaid cell phone and
Speaker 1: a week later you took out twenty five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and so Sophie's like realizing the jig is fucking up now,
Speaker 1: like now she's got, she's got got. She admits she
Speaker 1: met a man who said he could get Nicholas back,
Speaker 1: but he said she didn't think it would be so soon,
Speaker 1: and he promised her she would be there so Nicholas
Speaker 1: wouldn't be afraid.
Speaker 3: So at first she won't give up his name.
Speaker 1: She's like, the man is very dangerous, and then Stabler
Speaker 1: slams on the table and she sees Nicholas's passport photo
Speaker 1: and she gives up the name.
Speaker 3: His name is Jason cul Ross.
Speaker 1: So now cuts to Benson with the info this guy's
Speaker 1: a Green Beret special ops for the Army, worked for
Speaker 1: Blackwater after that, spent four years in Afghanistan handling kidnap
Speaker 1: and ransom cases, so this guy could easily handle a
Speaker 1: domestic you know, snatch. Turns out this guy owns a
Speaker 1: warehouse in Red Hook. Uh oh, that's probably never good news.
Speaker 3: Uh good burger.
Speaker 1: Cragan wants to alert ESU, but Stabler's like, we can
Speaker 1: handle this if the kid's there. It might be scary
Speaker 1: to have all those guns. And Cragan's like, well, this
Speaker 1: guy's a Green Beret. The Army trained him. And Stabler's like,
Speaker 1: and the Marines trained me. And it's like armed forces
Speaker 1: pissing contest. Cool cool cool. At the warehouse they're moving
Speaker 1: in and it's just Benson and Sabler and there's photos
Speaker 1: of Nicholas on the table. There's a kid play area
Speaker 1: set up in this dark warehouse. There's some Carrie Matheson
Speaker 1: like Homeland style boards of like Nicholas surveillance, and they
Speaker 1: see a dude in the office like through the blinds
Speaker 1: and Stabler goes in there and it's like freeze but
Speaker 1: it's a dummy. And when he turns around to Live,
Speaker 1: he's like, it's a setup. Live is lying on the
Speaker 1: ground and Cole Ross, the guy has a gun on him, going,
Speaker 1: you picked the wrong place to rob douchebag and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize Douchebag and made its way to primetime network TV,
Speaker 1: and that's fun.
Speaker 3: I do like douchebag.
Speaker 1: I do like yeah, like you know, there's some things
Speaker 1: that's like you just they don't say on primetime and
Speaker 1: I'm I say, douchelrd, douchelrd.
Speaker 3: I'm much more current, much more current, is that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been on the cutting edge of that.
Speaker 2: I've I've always been douche Lord. I'm taking credit for
Speaker 2: douche Lord. I really am. Love it if you heard
Speaker 2: anyone else use it. So Stabler announces himself as NYPD.
Speaker 2: The guy apologizes, he goes, oh, sorry, I didn't know
Speaker 2: you were a cop, and Stabler goes so she and
Speaker 2: just punches this guy's lights right for out truly police brutality,
Speaker 2: Like the guy put his gun down, he apologized, and
Speaker 2: you just punched him. In the fucking face because he
Speaker 2: put your partner in a sleeperhole. Like sorry, but like
Speaker 2: he didn't know you guys were cops and he was
Speaker 2: sort of defending his property. The next thing we see
Speaker 2: is them trying to wake this guy up. They're still
Speaker 2: at the warehouse.
Speaker 1: He's cuffed in a chair, and he explains, like, my
Speaker 1: job is to recover kids from non custodial parents. Once
Speaker 1: I found out that Sophie didn't have custody, I told
Speaker 1: her I couldn't help her. But she he goes, she
Speaker 1: is obsessed with her son, and live wants to know, Oh,
Speaker 1: do you give her back to twenty five K? And
Speaker 1: he goes, that's not refundable. I did a lot of
Speaker 1: legwork on this case, as you can see from all
Speaker 1: the photos and surveillance he's been doing of this eight
Speaker 1: year old child. And then he found out Sophie lied.
Speaker 1: He's like, I keep the money. He's like, my job
Speaker 1: is not illegal and it's necessary and lives like cops
Speaker 1: can handle parental abductions, and he goes, right, so if
Speaker 1: a kid gets taken to Jordan, NYPD's gonna go get him.
Speaker 1: And he's kind of right. I mean, like what was
Speaker 1: the case we covered where the guy took his kid
Speaker 1: to another country, stolen this way hard to get him back.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like they couldn't get him back and
Speaker 1: she wasn't the custodial pairent. I mean, you hear about
Speaker 1: this all the time, people take their kids abroad. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I do what law enforcement can't do. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, where were you last night? He goes, Brazil,
Speaker 1: I flew back this morning. You can ask my seat
Speaker 1: you can check TSA. My seat mate was an air marshal.
Speaker 1: He'll verify. I didn't even know about air marshalls until
Speaker 1: I watched Bridesmaids.
Speaker 3: Is that bad? No, that's same with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just why I didn't know they were on
Speaker 2: every flight, that there was a guy like I had
Speaker 2: no idea.
Speaker 1: So the last moment of their conversation with this guy
Speaker 1: Cole Ross, he goes, oh, by the way, when I
Speaker 1: pulled out of the job, sophiasked if I knew anyone
Speaker 1: that could help her, and I said I don't know
Speaker 1: any criminals. And then Stabler gets a call on his
Speaker 1: little flippy flip and he goes, well, she found one
Speaker 1: on her own, her credit card was just used to
Speaker 1: check into a motel a Long Island and a man
Speaker 1: checked in with a little boy.
Speaker 3: So they're on the wrong path.
Speaker 1: They got to get over to this motel and Long
Speaker 1: Island red hooked a Long Island. Now that there's traffic
Speaker 1: at the motel, they've got the place surrounded. There's like
Speaker 1: a local Long Island cop helping them, telling them, like,
Speaker 1: we cleared out a maid, we cleared out the people
Speaker 1: that were in the rooms. And when they bust into
Speaker 1: the motel room, it's empty, live peeps the adjoining door.
Speaker 1: They go through that into the next room where they
Speaker 1: find a maid tied up in her underwear crying and
Speaker 1: she's like, the man attacked me, took my clothes and
Speaker 1: my keys, and he.
Speaker 3: Put a boy in my car.
Speaker 1: So then on security cameras at the top of bag three,
Speaker 1: they see that this guy was just wearing a maid's
Speaker 1: uniform with like a bandana around his head, so they
Speaker 1: didn't even clock that it was like not a woman,
Speaker 1: and the cops waved him off thinking he was a maid,
Speaker 1: and footage from the parking lot then shows him putting
Speaker 1: Nicholas into the maid's car, a ninety six Buick the
Speaker 1: kid looks terrified.
Speaker 3: It's really awful.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the local police dude is getting radio updates from
Speaker 1: his guys. They're like, we found the car. We're in pursuit.
Speaker 1: Oh he's here. They are like, wow, he's really flying,
Speaker 1: like they can tell how fastest guy's driving. And then
Speaker 1: over the radio they hear, oh, no, he's going too fast.
Speaker 1: And then there's a crash sound and everybody's face is
Speaker 1: like fuck. We cut to the being pulled out of
Speaker 1: the Long Island sound and you can see the driver
Speaker 1: dead in the driver's seat, and they don't show you, Nicholas,
Speaker 1: but they have Benson and Stable or open the back
Speaker 1: door and their faces say it all. So it's sad
Speaker 1: because like I feel like, rarely do we see a
Speaker 1: child alive in the show and then dead, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's either a dead kid or like or a
Speaker 1: kid is a victim a living victim. You know, like
Speaker 1: there's not as much like oh you kind of sort
Speaker 1: of had sweet moments with this kid in his front
Speaker 1: on the bus, and now he's dead. It's like very
Speaker 1: very awful, and all this sad music starts playing and
Speaker 1: as they go back to the squad, they tell the
Speaker 1: two parents who are in separate interrogation rooms.
Speaker 3: Sophie collapses, she's wailing.
Speaker 1: The dad throws a chair, but all you hear is
Speaker 1: like the sad music over everything. Joe Marlow looks shook,
Speaker 1: like it's just a sad day. In the squad room,
Speaker 1: everybody looks very upset now because I guess also they're
Speaker 1: kind of like it was on us to recover this kid,
Speaker 1: and now he's dead, you know, So now Craigan and
Speaker 1: the gang are regrouping. The kidnapper's name is Keith Bradman.
Speaker 1: He's thirty five from Toledo. He's got a long rap
Speaker 1: sheet breaking and entering scams, et cetera. Marlow's like, I
Speaker 1: could shovel the dirt myself and it lives like a
Speaker 1: men's sister. They are gonna pull up the guy's cell
Speaker 1: phone records connect him to Sophie and the like this
Speaker 1: is all gonna be done. Meanwhile, Cragan is like live
Speaker 1: time to get in there and get that grieving mother's
Speaker 1: confession and lives like for real, like right now, and
Speaker 1: Marlow's like, well, this is felony murder because he was
Speaker 1: killed in the course of a kidnapping. So she's responsible
Speaker 1: if she set it up, and we got to get
Speaker 1: her confession. So it is really wild. So Benson and
Speaker 1: Marlowe walk into the interrogation room. Sophie is crying and
Speaker 1: muttering to herself in French. She's like, I need to
Speaker 1: go home. Nicholas will be out of school soon. I
Speaker 1: need to give him a snack, and Marlowe says, Nicholas
Speaker 1: is not at school, but Sophie just.
Speaker 3: Keeps repeating it.
Speaker 1: So now at the other side of the glass, Huong
Speaker 1: is obviously there to explain that Sophie has become psychotic.
Speaker 1: Catastrophic stressors, he explains, can splinter and already fragile psyche,
Speaker 1: triggering a break with reality, and Marlow's like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: the guilt pushed her over the edge. Hung's like, it
Speaker 1: could be, but brief reactive psychosis can cause delusions, hallucinations,
Speaker 1: and even catatonia, and he says it could last days
Speaker 1: or even months, and Marlow's like.
Speaker 3: Well, what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Sit on our hands while she gets her brains banged
Speaker 1: out in the booby hatch? What is that line? I
Speaker 1: mean that one on the cancn line. Marlow gets some
Speaker 1: wild ass lines in this episode, like her brain's banged
Speaker 1: out in the booby hatch. We need Sophie to confess.
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like her and Christine Lottie's character, they've
Speaker 2: crossed paths, they've been together.
Speaker 1: They either like love each other and hang out or
Speaker 1: they like hate each other. Yeah, they like either get
Speaker 1: drinks and talk shit or they're like that bitch. I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be the mean one around here, but you know,
Speaker 1: obviously before Sonia got sober. Also, I don't agree with
Speaker 1: the term booby hatch to describe a mental institution.
Speaker 3: I'm quoting the show. I want everyone to know.
Speaker 1: So they're saying t Juan, well, we need Sophie to confess,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well maybe this is all still theoretical
Speaker 1: to her, like make it real for her, Like she's
Speaker 1: just here with all these cops telling her what happened,
Speaker 1: but she hasn't, like you know. So Liv goes to
Speaker 1: get Sophie and Sophie says what in French? And Liz says,
Speaker 1: Liv says, we're leaving, Sophie says in French, what are
Speaker 1: you saying? And then Live says to see Nicholas. So
Speaker 1: she's like reverted to just speaking French as well, which
Speaker 1: she can't be sure all these people understand, although Live
Speaker 1: does speak ten languages, so I'm sure she knows. So
Speaker 1: of course they bring Sophie to see her son's dead body,
Speaker 1: like I mean, they've it's so traumatic. They're at the morgue.
Speaker 1: Sophie's like, I don't think I can do this, but
Speaker 1: like they're like, you have to. Melinda's there. She pulls
Speaker 1: back the sheet. There's Nicholas. They show us his dead body, which,
Speaker 1: like a lot of times, we don't see kid dead
Speaker 1: bodies on this show. It's like very sad. Obviously the
Speaker 1: actors alive, but it's still sad. She's still he's lying there.
Speaker 1: He's still wearing the necklace from Tibet that she gave him,
Speaker 1: and Sophie goes, this is a dream. That necklace was
Speaker 1: supposed to keep him safe. And then she asked if
Speaker 1: she can have the necklace.
Speaker 3: They let her.
Speaker 1: She puts it on, She's saying sh tem, she's kissing him.
Speaker 1: Marlow and Benson dig in on the questions like tell
Speaker 1: us what happened, how did you meet Keith Bradman, And
Speaker 1: Sophie is like, I don't know who that is, and
Speaker 1: she's just like weeping over her son. Then in walks Paul, like,
Speaker 1: I get it when they're letting paths cross in the
Speaker 1: precinct somewhat, But now we're at the fucking morgue.
Speaker 3: Is they're not a log?
Speaker 1: Can we not keep these people away from each other?
Speaker 1: The dad who is escorted by Nelson, the cop with
Speaker 1: the deaf grandma, comes in and he's furious, like, get
Speaker 1: her away from my son, and he wants the cops
Speaker 1: like to take her out or whatever, and they start
Speaker 1: just screaming at each other in the morgue. These two
Speaker 1: like it's a wild fight. They're physically pushing at one another.
Speaker 1: The cops separate them, but in the scuffle, Sophie grabs
Speaker 1: Nelson's gun, so now she's holding a gun on Marlowe
Speaker 1: and it's a full hosted situation. She tells deb Benson
Speaker 1: to drop her gun or everyone will die. She tells
Speaker 1: the cops to get Paul out of there, but he's like,
Speaker 1: I won't leave, and it's like this assholes, like a
Speaker 1: I think I'll stay and make things worse, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. So he starts asking a grieving mother with
Speaker 1: a gun, what is wrong with you? Have you gone insane?
Speaker 1: Like this is how this guy thinks he should handle
Speaker 1: the situation. She fires at him the gun, but he
Speaker 1: ducks and the bullet hits Melinda Warner. How dare you? Like, No,
Speaker 1: we must protect Melinda at all costs. This is a
Speaker 1: horrible turn of events. Live is like Melinda like runs
Speaker 1: to her. She begs Sophia, let them call. By the way,
Speaker 1: it hits Melinda in like the gut kind of her,
Speaker 1: like the middle of the body, like around her lungs,
Speaker 1: and Live runs to her, begs Sophia.
Speaker 2: At theously, No, Melinda's around, Yeah, seen her continue. But
Speaker 2: I can imagine the stress of watching this live. This
Speaker 2: must have been a huge water cooler moment. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: like exactly, our girl has been shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we've seen Also, season finales is a big
Speaker 1: time where they kill people off, you know, so like
Speaker 1: this is the season finale. Like I think when I
Speaker 1: was watching it, we probably all thought, fuck, they're not getting.
Speaker 3: Rid of Tamertuni, right.
Speaker 1: So liv runs to her, Yeah, begs Sophie, let them
Speaker 1: call an ambulance. But Sophie is like crazed and she refuses,
Speaker 1: and Liv is just sitting there like like Marisha Harget
Speaker 1: does such great panicked trying to stop the bleeding, but
Speaker 1: like look of panic.
Speaker 3: On her face, you know, like she's very good at that.
Speaker 1: So at the precinct, Stabler is getting Bradman's phone records.
Speaker 1: Craigan arrives and he's like, dude, shots fired at the morgue.
Speaker 1: Stabler takes off like a shot, no pun intended. Back
Speaker 1: at the morgue, This motherfucker is still taunting Sophie.
Speaker 3: He goes, what have you done?
Speaker 1: She goes, it was a mistake, but this is not
Speaker 1: and she she wants to shoot her ex.
Speaker 3: And I don't really blame her.
Speaker 1: Marlow approaches Sophie before you know, and is like to
Speaker 1: ask for the gun, and she's like, what's the plan?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna shoot me? Then you're gonna shoot Benson.
Speaker 1: Sophie's like, well, if I have to, And Warner is
Speaker 1: grimacing in pain, but tells Benson she's doing great, keep
Speaker 1: up the pressure. She's directing Joe where to get the
Speaker 1: gaw Melinda is just like directing her own life saving
Speaker 1: operation right now.
Speaker 3: It's like really amazing.
Speaker 1: Outside the morgue, stable arrives, Nelson is like sorry, she
Speaker 1: got my piece, and Esu is at the GWB for
Speaker 1: a jumper, So hostage negotiator is thirty minutes away.
Speaker 3: Stabler decides to jump into that role.
Speaker 1: He announces himself to Sophie and sends Nelson get me
Speaker 1: the blueprints to the building. Now, Stabler's like an architect,
Speaker 1: he can just like read blueprints. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of blueprint moments in this show. Sophie says,
Speaker 1: no talking or I'll shoot all of them, so she
Speaker 1: does not want to talk to the Stabler. Suddenly, Melinda
Speaker 1: is gasping for breath. She tells them in all these
Speaker 1: clipped gaps that the bullet has gotten her lung and
Speaker 1: that her lungs are filling with blood, and she says tension, hemo, numo.
Speaker 3: She needs a chest tube.
Speaker 1: So Marlow is like, please, dude, this woman is dying,
Speaker 1: and Sophie's like, no, no, this is a trick.
Speaker 3: I mean again, she's probably.
Speaker 1: Still in a bit of a psychosis, a psychotic break
Speaker 1: that she's having. Melinda tells Marlow what materials to get,
Speaker 1: but live is like, I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: do this is like, then get ready to watch me die.
Speaker 1: It's really really intense. She gives live instructions on how
Speaker 1: to put in a chest tube. We're watching her cut
Speaker 1: live with a scalpel with no anesthesia or anything like
Speaker 1: they put on data Die.
Speaker 2: Watch that movie with Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy, The Heat.
Speaker 5: The Heat.
Speaker 3: The Heat's one of my favorite movies. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love when Sandra Bullet cuts someone open.
Speaker 3: It's like a huge disaster. She has no idea what
Speaker 3: she's doing. That movie is so fucking good that much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another sexism thing like that should have been
Speaker 2: the number one talked about hit thing ever, like I
Speaker 2: saw about the Spy who Dumped Me? Like these are
Speaker 2: such funny movies. I saw Heat in the theater.
Speaker 1: I loved it immediate, like I've seen it on TV
Speaker 1: a million times, Like, I love that movie so much.
Speaker 3: I think it's so good. They are a great pairing.
Speaker 1: I don't know why there's not been like a Heat too,
Speaker 1: because they could. They are so good anyway. Caitlyn Olsen's
Speaker 1: in that one. Yeah, it's so good. So yeah, she's
Speaker 1: instructing live how to do this test test tube.
Speaker 3: It's so wild.
Speaker 1: She and it's the tube and Melinda can breathe again
Speaker 1: almost immediately, and she says, good girl, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of relief. But they're like, Sophie, girl, what's the
Speaker 1: endgame here? Like what do you want? She's like, I
Speaker 1: want my son back with me and Paul again, this
Speaker 1: fucking clown is like, you want him back? Don't you
Speaker 1: get it? He's dead because of you. She shoots up
Speaker 1: at the ceiling. He tells her she's out of her mind,
Speaker 1: and Sophie's like, don't you dare talk to me like
Speaker 1: that in front of my son. And then Marlow gets
Speaker 1: into this little role playing game. She goes, that's right,
Speaker 1: She's right, Nicholas shouldn't hear such things. She goes over
Speaker 1: to pauland goes, you better apologize to Nicholas. And then
Speaker 1: he's like what She's like, apologize and he does it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, your mother loves you very much. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, dude, you should have been playing along
Speaker 1: from the beginning. What's your fucking damage? So then Marlow goes,
Speaker 1: doctor Warner's losing a lot of blood. You don't want
Speaker 1: Nicholas to see this, do you. You don't want to upset
Speaker 1: him and Sophie's like no, and so she allows Benson
Speaker 1: to take Melinda out of the place on like a
Speaker 1: gurney and then Stabler, meanwhile is studying the blueprints trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get in there, and then
Speaker 1: the wheel Melinda out lives is like, we need medical assistance,
Speaker 1: and Melinda goes back off vultures. I'm not dead yet,
Speaker 1: so we're pretty positive that Melinda is gonna make it,
Speaker 1: but we have to wait till the end of the episode.
Speaker 1: Elliott is now in the air conditioning shaft. I think
Speaker 1: he's like full mission impossible. Sophie is still in the
Speaker 1: morgue with Marlow and Paul and I guess.
Speaker 2: That's one of the like movie tropes that's like so
Speaker 2: far from reality.
Speaker 3: The shaft's moving.
Speaker 2: I just saw something about how like they're tiny, like
Speaker 2: the way we Prussia media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's for a man his ass. You think
Speaker 1: air shaft can carry Stabler's ass? No, No, it's for air.
Speaker 1: Is so funny, that's true, like you know what it
Speaker 1: usually goes in there? Air, But that is always in
Speaker 1: movies and shit, people escaping through air shafts.
Speaker 2: But it is fun and I like them crawling. No,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it's so hard to film. Now
Speaker 2: that I think about it, it makes me so claustrophobic
Speaker 2: to watch those things. Oh my god, I get so
Speaker 2: so claustrophobic.
Speaker 1: But Benson is now calling the Morgue on the phone,
Speaker 1: but Sophie won't pick up. She's like, I need quiet.
Speaker 1: Nicholas is sleeping, he needs his rest. Maybe they should
Speaker 1: call Huong. Honestly, it feels like this woman is seriously
Speaker 1: going through something and he could be a great person
Speaker 1: to have there at the time, you know. Marlow answers
Speaker 1: the phone and is like, Olivia, Sophie wants you to
Speaker 1: stop calling, Nicholas needs to rest, and hangs up and
Speaker 1: lives like fuck. She's still kind of off her rocker here,
Speaker 1: like we got to figure this out. Paul decides now
Speaker 1: he's going to try to reason with Sophie, and he's like,
Speaker 1: Nicholas wouldn't want you to do this, and she's like,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, and she pistol whips him, which
Speaker 1: I get a lot of satisfaction from. She lays like
Speaker 1: on top of Nicholas, and Marlow's like, I think you're
Speaker 1: scaring him. And suddenly Sophie is back to reality, and
Speaker 1: she goes, oh, don't play games with me. He's not
Speaker 1: scared or sleeping. He's dead. Like she's just sort of
Speaker 1: back into reality. She lays on him again and she
Speaker 1: keeps calling him mon petitgue Garson, like my little man,
Speaker 1: our sweet little.
Speaker 3: Boy, she says.
Speaker 1: Marlow asks Sophie to tell her about Nicholas and he
Speaker 1: she well, so Marlowe is like, all right, I'll try
Speaker 1: another tack. Now that she understands what's going on, She's like,
Speaker 1: why don't you tell me about him? And she goes,
Speaker 1: he was the most beautiful baby everyone said.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: He like boy things, cars, trucks, trains, We used to
Speaker 1: ride the metro. He asked questions. He had the mind
Speaker 1: of a scientist. He should have traveled the world with me.
Speaker 1: He should have lived, but you took him away. And
Speaker 1: she points the gun at Paul, and Sophie says, I
Speaker 1: have nothing without Nicholas. My life is over, and Marlow
Speaker 1: tries to tell her that she'll find a way through it.
Speaker 1: It feels bad now, but things will change. She's like,
Speaker 1: how do you know have you lost a child? And
Speaker 1: Marlow's like no, and Sophie's like okay, bitch. Then you
Speaker 1: don't know how I feel, and Marlow confesses, last year
Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with cancer, very aggressive. I had a
Speaker 1: bilateral radical mistectomy. I had reconstructive surgery, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: good enough for my lover. He wouldn't talk to me,
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at me, wouldn't touch me. I died inside.
Speaker 1: I couldn't work. I spent six months on the couch
Speaker 1: in my clothes, and I completely lost myself. She goes,
Speaker 1: I know what this feels like. I mean, okay, and
Speaker 1: she's like, it's not easy. You have to change. But
Speaker 1: she's like, I came back to work here in my
Speaker 1: last month was at SVU. I've really found myself. Sophie,
Speaker 1: you can do that too. You can also come work
Speaker 1: at the sex Crimes Unit and find yourself. No, she's like,
Speaker 1: you can come back from this too, you can find
Speaker 1: yourself again for Nicholas. Suddenly, Stabler, who's been listening in
Speaker 1: the air shaft, his phone starts buzzing, So Sophie starts
Speaker 1: randomly firing shots at the air shaft and Marlow is
Speaker 1: trying to calm her down. Meanwhile, we see Stabler check
Speaker 1: his flip phone and there's a text from Kragan that reads,
Speaker 1: it was Paul. He hired Brandman, got a credit card
Speaker 1: in Sophie's name.
Speaker 3: Now yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Literally wrote a masterclass in gaslighting. Like I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of this guy, but holy shit, what an absolute
Speaker 1: piece of garbage bottom shit, Like not only have you
Speaker 1: are you responsible for this entire thing, but even as
Speaker 1: she sits there waving a gun with a woman dying,
Speaker 1: you're still antagonizing her, trying to get her in her
Speaker 1: psychosis to it a psychosis which you induced essentially through
Speaker 1: the police and through killing her son. With your actions,
Speaker 1: you're trying to convince her to now go to jail
Speaker 1: for your crimes. Like what a psychopath? And like if
Speaker 1: he had just when he first got brought in by
Speaker 1: the cops said, I was worried she was going to
Speaker 1: take him, so I got I paid this guy to
Speaker 1: like take him. But let like let me call him
Speaker 1: and get him back for you, Like you didn't just
Speaker 1: call the guy, like you had the guy's info. Why
Speaker 1: didn't you just call the guy and say, bring him
Speaker 1: back to my house and run away? Like why did
Speaker 1: you let this guy do Long Island? It's a lego,
Speaker 1: It's full lego. It's full ego control power. It's just
Speaker 1: like all the yeah quality. He just wanted to keep
Speaker 1: it going and like get her out, get her sent
Speaker 1: to jail.
Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, but in the guise of I want to
Speaker 2: be with my son, but you don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: about your son, Yeah, just.
Speaker 3: Care about punishing her. Yeah. Oh it's so gross.
Speaker 1: So now Stabler opens the vent on the air shaft
Speaker 1: like full mission impossible, lowers himself into a refrigerated room
Speaker 1: that's filled with like dead naked bodies, you know, for
Speaker 1: at Melinda's house, and Marlowe is still trying to counsel
Speaker 1: Sophie or at least hold her off from murdering anyone else.
Speaker 1: Stabler busts into the room and before Sophie can shoot,
Speaker 1: he's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm on your side.
Speaker 1: I know you're innocent of the kidnapping, hiring Brandman the
Speaker 1: credit card with her name on it. It was a setup.
Speaker 1: I know you didn't do it, he says, Sophie. It's over,
Speaker 1: put down the gun, let's go home. Then she realizes
Speaker 1: that it was Paul who did it. Like that's why
Speaker 1: I don't think a real cop would probably even try
Speaker 1: to reason with her, because she would just kill him,
Speaker 1: you know. She realizes it was Paul who did it,
Speaker 1: and now they know, and she points the gun at
Speaker 1: him and he's groveling. He starts crying and saying, I
Speaker 1: didn't mean for this to happen. The crash was an accident.
Speaker 1: She says, tell God in person and puts the gun
Speaker 1: to his head, and Stabler yells Sophie know, and then
Speaker 1: Marlow says no, Sophie, and the camera pans over to
Speaker 1: Marlow holding dead Nicholas swaddled in a morg sheet, and
Speaker 1: it's it's just.
Speaker 3: So fucking bonkers, Like the moment is bonkers.
Speaker 1: She's just holding a dead eight year old, going, your
Speaker 1: son needs you, and it's like I thought we were
Speaker 1: done with this game.
Speaker 3: Like she knows he's dead.
Speaker 1: Sophie drops the gun, Sabler grabs it and shuttles Paul
Speaker 1: out of the room.
Speaker 3: Marlow hands Nicholas to her.
Speaker 1: She cradles him and speaks to him in French to
Speaker 1: Tim and then starts singing like kind of a wordless
Speaker 1: lullaby to him. Stabler and Benson look shook as fuck,
Speaker 1: like they are like, oh my god, what we've put
Speaker 1: this woman through, what this woman has gone through in
Speaker 1: the last twelve hours, Like, well, it's not even been
Speaker 1: that long. She's in the same outfit that she was
Speaker 1: in when they brought her in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now everyone thinks that you did it and
Speaker 2: you're crazy because then a part of me is like,
Speaker 2: I like to defend women. But then when she was going,
Speaker 2: you know, hand Morgue, I was like, she is crazy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: something to really worry about. And then fucking find out
Speaker 2: that twist and she was gonna steal him. But again,
Speaker 2: I feel like that's all part of the fact.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that he's somehow he was willing to kill
Speaker 3: his son.
Speaker 1: He somehow finagled her losing custody, and that would make
Speaker 1: me feel insane as well, like all I've done is
Speaker 1: travel for my work and now you're you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's really fucked up anyway. That's
Speaker 1: dick wolf baby, that's that's that episode shattered a wild one.
Speaker 1: I know nothing about any of the real cases, and
Speaker 1: you have a lot of info to tell us, So
Speaker 1: let's get going.
Speaker 3: Okay, So listen, do I have a bad habit? I do.
Speaker 2: I there's three crimes, and one of them I fully
Speaker 2: did all the research and then I went, huh, this
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the episode. So I had
Speaker 2: one of those, and every time this happens to me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, you gotta be better.
Speaker 3: But then I just get interested.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh, let's see if this
Speaker 2: case is in any other episode, we could could just
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't, and we have to hear about it.
Speaker 2: But there's two cases that pertain and one maybe you
Speaker 2: can figure out, Okay, maybe you can see the connection. Okay,
Speaker 2: but it's the cat. But we, you know, we like
Speaker 2: to learn about this stuff, so it's fine. So this
Speaker 2: is the case of a sluty and I hope I'm
Speaker 2: saying it right. I just don't want to say slutty.
Speaker 2: That would be kind of wild. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: assume it's sluty and sluty case. So Anthony Zappa is
Speaker 2: twenty nine years old at the time of this case.
Speaker 2: He's also known as Anthony Stephen right, and at this point,
Speaker 2: he's you know, wanted on a five state man hunt search,
Speaker 2: like everyone is looking for him. He has charges that
Speaker 2: include assault, theft, gun of violations in Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Louisiana.
Speaker 2: He's from Minnesota. It's you know, he's he's out there
Speaker 2: and he's wanted. And at what point they had to
Speaker 2: close down all of them, all of America because he
Speaker 2: was spotted like a dangerous dude. And then Anna was
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old honor student, a pole vault on
Speaker 2: her school track team, and she was abducted in the
Speaker 2: mall in Carny, Nebraska. He punched her repeatedly, shoved her
Speaker 2: into a blue suburban outside the mall, and there are
Speaker 2: witnesses who saw the abduction in her getting punched on
Speaker 2: April sixth, two thousand and one. She did what he
Speaker 2: told her to do because she didn't want to get
Speaker 2: hurt again and he had weapons. After she was taken,
Speaker 2: she was able to make calls to her parents and
Speaker 2: a friend, which is wild, but the parents said that,
Speaker 2: you know, she said she was all right, but the
Speaker 2: mother said she could feel that someone was close by
Speaker 2: and the girl was, you know, in trouble. She could
Speaker 2: tell someone was pressuring, so she was able to call nine. Also,
Speaker 2: this girl was able to call nine one one and
Speaker 2: the call did go through, and that helped trace to
Speaker 2: a cabin near Yellowstone National Park, but by the time
Speaker 2: police got there, it was empty.
Speaker 3: She was gone.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of conflicting reports, but from five to
Speaker 2: seven days he took her from Nebraska all the way
Speaker 2: to Montana, hundreds of miles away. Very very scary, you know,
Speaker 2: going to another location's cross state lines. And she was
Speaker 2: a really smart girl. She left the trail of evidence
Speaker 2: for authorities to follow. During her time being captive, she
Speaker 2: left clothing, bloody tissues, and trash cansa in rural Montana
Speaker 2: cabins and just like she was just leaving shit everywhere
Speaker 2: that she could. She also scratched her name and date
Speaker 2: on a book left in another cabin, and left a
Speaker 2: chain that's used to tie her up in the car.
Speaker 2: Authorities were able to link him through a stolen SUV
Speaker 2: believed used in the kidnapping. They found it abandoned in Montana,
Speaker 2: not far from where a blue Toyota to her cell
Speaker 2: had then been stolen, and a concerned citizen then called
Speaker 2: police with suspicious activities in a summer cabin, and when
Speaker 2: the cops arrived, they found a like the Toyota to
Speaker 2: her cell, parked right around there on Flathead Lake. So
Speaker 2: the police then get to the cabin where you know
Speaker 2: they're holed up, and he finally surrendered, But that whole night,
Speaker 2: Anna spent time negotiating with police. He would not speak
Speaker 2: to police, so Anna was like the negotiator and oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's about negotiation, Okay. So then Mike Sergeant is
Speaker 2: part of the Lake County Sheriff's office. He told Good
Speaker 2: Morning America that she did an outstanding job, that she
Speaker 2: just all the contact was with her and it was
Speaker 2: a ten hours standoff and she was very clever, very brave,
Speaker 2: and was very instrumental in persuading Zappa to surrender. His
Speaker 2: only two demands was that him not get shot by
Speaker 2: the officers, which I guess is fair, and then he
Speaker 2: wanted to serve his time in prison in Minnesota, which
Speaker 2: I like these demands. I really hate when they I
Speaker 2: want a pizza, but maybe that's in the movies, but
Speaker 2: we have watched episodes where they want helicopters snacks just
Speaker 2: on private.
Speaker 3: Shets, yeah, like.
Speaker 2: No, this guy, It was like this is where I'll
Speaker 2: go to jail. Please don't murder me right now, iahree.
Speaker 2: And that's I like, you know, I like him reasonable.
Speaker 2: So he could have asked for like one thing. Okay,
Speaker 2: So sergeant is also quoted in ABC News that she
Speaker 2: was very relieved at being freed, which I think is
Speaker 2: you know, expected, she was relieved being saved. I don't
Speaker 2: know why that's you know, arising quote.
Speaker 3: She was pissed, like, you know, I'm sure.
Speaker 5: She was related.
Speaker 3: I didn't have to be with a kidnapper anymore.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that that was all big weight off
Speaker 1: my shoulders.
Speaker 2: April twelfth, two thousand and one, ABC News reported at
Speaker 2: one twenty eight am that the kidnapper, who eluded police
Speaker 2: for two months, surrendered peacefully. She was reunited with her
Speaker 2: family and friends, and she got off a private jet.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a cool scene.
Speaker 2: Like obviously she's been through a lot, but like she
Speaker 2: gets off a private jet and an FBI baseball cap
Speaker 2: and a bruise under her right eye, which sucks, but
Speaker 2: it is a really badass image.
Speaker 1: Now was this guy, Like, was this guy kidnapping her
Speaker 1: kind of just to hold her, just to hold off
Speaker 1: the cops, right because he was wan for so many
Speaker 1: other crimes, right or.
Speaker 2: It was his last big crime. I mean, he did go,
Speaker 2: he did do bad things to her. Oh he did okay, okay, sorry, sorry,
Speaker 2: So I think just I think just a career criminal,
Speaker 2: looney tune evil. So I mean they all shriet, they
Speaker 2: were happy to see her. And so then during the trial,
Speaker 2: Sludy gave a tearful testimony where she described being sexually
Speaker 2: assaulted by him while detained. Of course, his lawyer did
Speaker 2: the classic BU can't oh you had sex with him
Speaker 2: willingly because that's something that makes sense, that totally makes sense. Good.
Speaker 2: David Stickman is a federal public defender, and during cross
Speaker 2: examination he asked her why she didn't escape, and she said,
Speaker 2: according to the press and Dakotin, I mean I was
Speaker 2: in some small town papers. I didn't think I had
Speaker 2: an opportunity where I wouldn't get hurt, where he wouldn't
Speaker 2: catch me, kill me or beat me. Like, to be
Speaker 2: to have the wherewithal to be able to think this
Speaker 2: slowly and pragmatically while you're in this scary situation is incredible.
Speaker 3: And then to have a lower use it as like, oh,
Speaker 3: you wanted to stay, why didn't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is like so like even to think that is so brave.
Speaker 1: He's also bringing her to like these states like Montana, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: like I'm sure remote areas where it's like, what is
Speaker 1: she gonna run for twenty miles until she finds someone
Speaker 1: to help her, like a cabin in Yellowstone, Like what
Speaker 1: where are you escaping to?
Speaker 3: Good fucking you know, stick me.
Speaker 2: But because also what I don't like about this attorney
Speaker 2: is like with you know, if you're making big money, okay,
Speaker 2: but it's like you're a you're a public servant for
Speaker 2: the evil. So it's like you're not even you don't
Speaker 2: even have a nice car, Like you're just doing.
Speaker 1: That Like your job should just be to like find
Speaker 1: out if this guy had like a like a mental
Speaker 1: disease or defect, and like try to not get him
Speaker 1: the death penalty. I always say, my uncle's a death
Speaker 1: a public defender, and he's like, I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: get people to not have the death penalty, that's all.
Speaker 1: Like most of the time he's like, I've had innocent clients,
Speaker 1: but when they are not, I just I'm trying to
Speaker 1: not have them get the death penalty, not like make
Speaker 1: up things that a rape victim was along for a
Speaker 1: fun ride, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And even from his opening arguments, he claimed that
Speaker 2: Anne consented to leave with this man and she could
Speaker 2: have escaped. He claimed too, that her voice on the
Speaker 2: nine one one call was too calm and collected, and
Speaker 2: that it's not the voice of someone that's been subjected
Speaker 2: to abuse, because he knows how people should be acting.
Speaker 2: He also didn't get why she didn't use any of
Speaker 2: the weapons that he had, and she was like, because
Speaker 2: I thought I could get hurt, Like, what are you
Speaker 2: not understanding? She fucking survived this. And on top of
Speaker 2: all this, Anthony was acting a fool in court.
Speaker 3: He yelled at the judge.
Speaker 2: He called him Captain Kangaroo, and he screamed that Nebraska's prejudiced.
Speaker 2: This man is white, you know, but Jewish. The judge
Speaker 2: was Jewish.
Speaker 3: I don't know. He also yelled, I hope you all rot.
Speaker 2: So the federal judge, Warren Herbaum, said that Anthony can
Speaker 2: watch the trial on a TV through a video link
Speaker 2: and will have complete access to his lawyers.
Speaker 3: But don't worry.
Speaker 2: He was brought back in court just in time for
Speaker 2: her to take the stand. He blamed pills on his
Speaker 2: behavior in court, though she I mean continued to describe
Speaker 2: being hog tied, stuffed in a trunk. He threatened to
Speaker 2: torture and kill hersh and she feared for her life.
Speaker 2: He beat her and sexually assaulted her. And outside of
Speaker 2: the testimony, there was a lot of evidence. His DNA
Speaker 2: was on her clothing that she wore when she was taken.
Speaker 2: Her hair was found on duct tape that was found
Speaker 2: inside of the vehicle used in her kidnapping, her blood
Speaker 2: was on tissues found inside a Montana cabin, and his
Speaker 2: DNA matched stemen stains found on three items of clothing
Speaker 2: that prosecutor says she wore after she was assaulted by
Speaker 2: him and helps captive. And this is all confirmed by
Speaker 2: Brendan Shay, and he's a forensic scientist for the FBI.
Speaker 2: I want to say, as a Lisa where everyone thinks
Speaker 2: it's Eliza, I feel like being a Brandon Brendan is
Speaker 2: really hard in the world as well, because I've I
Speaker 2: can never keep it straight for people I enjoy.
Speaker 3: Cannot. It really fucks me up.
Speaker 2: He did receive a life sentence, and he had to
Speaker 2: pay only forty thousand dollars in restitution.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think they could have upped that.
Speaker 2: Anne's mother was quoted in court that she felt like
Speaker 2: justice was served and that it was a tremendous relief.
Speaker 2: And that's according to a local ABC seven affiliate in Omaha.
Speaker 2: He was not charged with the assault, but he got
Speaker 2: life in prison or whatever. His attorney, one of the attorney,
Speaker 2: James Martin Davis, said this is interesting. Okay, So he
Speaker 2: said that forty years would be adequate. And this is
Speaker 2: a first he goes because if someday he walked out
Speaker 2: of jail or a penitentiary, he would know in his
Speaker 2: own mind then and only then what he had truly
Speaker 2: sacrificed for his conduct a good lawyer. Because that is interesting.
Speaker 2: But no, forty years isn't enough and he cannot be trusted,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. And then at twenty five, our
Speaker 2: girl she graduated from Rosehlman Institute of Technology and became
Speaker 2: an engineer, and we all hope that she is thriving.
Speaker 3: Good for her. Sorry, was this the one you think
Speaker 3: wasn't connected?
Speaker 2: Of course? Why was this on the wiki? I feel
Speaker 2: like I had to write it and say we have
Speaker 2: to take it out of the wiki, like and it's
Speaker 2: my fault, Like usually I do remember, and I checked,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, make sure it's the right one before
Speaker 2: you dive in but in this I was like, huh, well,
Speaker 2: that's interesting.
Speaker 1: It feels more like it should have been for the
Speaker 1: episode where the little girl puts her headphones inside the
Speaker 1: seats so that they can find her. It's like the
Speaker 1: girl like was such a good like leaving a breadcrumbs
Speaker 1: for the authorities.
Speaker 2: But now and I search to see if it like
Speaker 2: fit any of the other episodes. But like, I'm also
Speaker 2: wondering who's falsely putting these things in the wiki?
Speaker 1: And but it is like a kidnapping. There is an
Speaker 1: interesting case. Yeah, there is a kidnapping. There was a negotiation.
Speaker 1: I guess whatever, let's get to the other ones.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the case of Alice Krimins.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So on July fourteenth, nineteen sixty five, Eddie Junior five
Speaker 2: and Alice Marie Crimmins, and they called her Missy, aged four,
Speaker 2: they disappeared from their q Garden Hills home in Queen's
Speaker 2: and they were found murdered.
Speaker 3: So the dad Edmund I know.
Speaker 2: Is a thirty five was a thirty five year old
Speaker 2: airplane mechanic, and it said that he called police at
Speaker 2: eleven am to report the disappearance of the children after
Speaker 2: receiving frantic calls from his estranged wife, Alice Crimmins. And
Speaker 2: this is according to the NYC Department of Records and
Speaker 2: Information Services. But then according to the New York Times
Speaker 2: article from nineteen seventy, it says that the kids were
Speaker 2: reported missing by the mother early morning of July fourteenth,
Speaker 2: when they weren't in their beds early morning, so that
Speaker 2: you know, there's a little mystery already at like what
Speaker 2: is going on here? The children were found at separate locations.
Speaker 2: Alice Marie was found the next day, an Edmund, who
Speaker 2: is five, was found five days later. And so the couple,
Speaker 2: the mom and dad, they were in a very angry
Speaker 2: and bitter divorce. They were married November eighth, nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: They were separated February nineteen sixty four, and this is
Speaker 2: during the time that the children disappeared from the apartment,
Speaker 2: between midnight and nine am, which.
Speaker 3: Is a giant gap.
Speaker 2: After the children were found, the couple did reconcile. They
Speaker 2: reconciled with their sadness, but then separated again August nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty nine and then divorced a week later. She was
Speaker 2: very attractive, She was a party girl. She had like
Speaker 2: a main boyfriend named Anthony Grace, and she loved to
Speaker 2: drink and dance, and these things obviously like had a
Speaker 2: negative impact on the public.
Speaker 3: Perception of her. You know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: She was a queen's cocktail waitress, and you know they
Speaker 2: called her the swinger of the century and a murderess, and.
Speaker 3: You know it was.
Speaker 2: It was sallacious, and she became the number one suspect
Speaker 2: in their death. Anthony Grace testified that they were actually
Speaker 2: having an affair at the time, so when the kids
Speaker 2: were kidnapped and murdered, so it could not have been her,
Speaker 2: and we do love an affair alibi. So September nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven, with very little evidence, there was an indictment
Speaker 2: filed against her by the Queen's County District Attorney's office
Speaker 2: for the murder of her daughter. She was convicted in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, but then overturned on appeal because three
Speaker 2: jurors made an unauthorized visit to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 3: Bad Boys.
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy one, she was convicted of the murder
Speaker 2: of her son and then the manslaughter of her daughter.
Speaker 2: Because we'll get into it, but it's double jeopardy. They
Speaker 2: couldn't do it again after those charges were dismissed because
Speaker 2: it is obviously a lesser charge. And then the prosecution
Speaker 2: wanted to establish that missus Crimmins killed her daughter in
Speaker 2: a fit of anger, and then with the aid of gangsters,
Speaker 2: had her son killed because he had witnessed the strangulation
Speaker 2: of his sister. So this is like very Jean Benet
Speaker 2: before Jean Benet in terms of like the theories. And
Speaker 2: then that murder charge against her son was reversed by
Speaker 2: the Appellate Division because the Appellate Division of State Supreme
Speaker 2: Court ruled that the prosecution had failed to prove beyond
Speaker 2: a shadow of a doubt that the death of her
Speaker 2: son had in fact resulted from a criminal act. But
Speaker 2: the courts did confirm the manslaughter conviction in May nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five, and so then she was finally released time
Speaker 2: served YadA, YadA, and out on parole in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: It's like complicated because if she did murder her children,
Speaker 2: it's like I want her to have more time. But
Speaker 2: if she was just the number one suspect because she
Speaker 2: was a drunk party girl, then like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Here right, And also how could they not prove that
Speaker 1: the Sun's death was caused by a murder?
Speaker 3: Like like what were the forensics?
Speaker 2: I wonder, you know, like if he wasn't in his bed,
Speaker 2: there's no natural causes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: All the trials and appeals ended up spanning ten years
Speaker 2: and it and I already yeah, it's the double jeopardy rules.
Speaker 2: And during this span she would make bail, so she
Speaker 2: was out during these times. And she had a very
Speaker 2: active dating life while she was living with her mother
Speaker 2: at the Bronx, and she just like went out on
Speaker 2: dates all the time. And she was also known to
Speaker 2: have like outbursts in court. She's screaming, I didn't kill
Speaker 2: my children. She leaped from her chair at one point
Speaker 2: and lunch towards a witness, screaming, you liar. Sophie Ermonsky
Speaker 2: went to smoke a cigarette out the window of her
Speaker 2: apartment the night all of this went down, and she
Speaker 2: claims to have seen three people and a dog walking
Speaker 2: and the man was yelling at her to be faster,
Speaker 2: but the dog was pregnant, and so then the man
Speaker 2: was holding a bundle and they were arguing about the
Speaker 2: pregnant dog. And then the man threw the bundle into
Speaker 2: the car and the woman said, please don't do that
Speaker 2: to her, and then they fought. And so this woman,
Speaker 2: this neighbor, she wrote this anonymous letter fourteen months later
Speaker 2: to the DA's office with this. And then another witness
Speaker 2: was a contractor that she dated named Joseph Rourk, and
Speaker 2: he testified that she had confessed to killing her daughter,
Speaker 2: but did not mention the sun. And then another court
Speaker 2: evidenced nugget was in the girl's stomach was undigested, carrots, peaches,
Speaker 2: and noodles. Okay, but the mom kept yelling in court
Speaker 2: that she bought veal parmesan that day, and so it
Speaker 2: couldn't have been her because she was planning on giving
Speaker 2: them veal parmesan.
Speaker 3: She didn't have these items.
Speaker 2: And also there were possible traces of sexual abuse found
Speaker 2: in the autopsy. And so when Edmund was on the stand,
Speaker 2: the prosecution asked him, did you murder your children? And
Speaker 2: he replied no, and neither did my wife. And so
Speaker 2: he said that on the stand. And that's according to
Speaker 2: the New York Times. And obviously this woman was hot
Speaker 2: because she's out here, you know, killing kids. These men
Speaker 2: want a dater. She's like out and about. People were
Speaker 2: ready to watch. There were lines around. At seven am
Speaker 2: they would start, people would bring lunch with them. At
Speaker 2: a am, the doors would open to the court and
Speaker 2: people would run up to try to get like the
Speaker 2: best seat they could. And it was all different types
Speaker 2: of people would come to watch this court case. Housewives,
Speaker 2: law students, court buffs, hippies, practicing attorneys, truck drivers, businessmen,
Speaker 2: but only sixty people could get in. And it's wild
Speaker 2: how little society has changed. Because The New York Times
Speaker 2: did interviews with these people, and one woman said, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine a mom killing a kid, but a woman
Speaker 2: like that, well, it makes it easier to understand.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know what, because she's fucking I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: And then another woman said, no, I'm also a mother
Speaker 2: of six, and I think it's fucked up that she's
Speaker 2: being judged on her sex life and morals. She's being
Speaker 2: crucified by the public opinion. And during her time in prison,
Speaker 2: she was this is wild. She was part of a
Speaker 2: work release program where she left the facility every day
Speaker 2: at ten am and had to return by eight pm,
Speaker 2: and she could even leave on the weekends, and she
Speaker 2: was staying at Parkside Residential Facility at ten Mount Morris
Speaker 2: Park West in Harlem on the weekends. So she was
Speaker 2: like working as a secretary. I get the work really okay.
Speaker 2: One I have a friend that was on work release.
Speaker 2: But it was like, d why this is murder right right?
Speaker 2: Also okay to work it's a work release, you're in
Speaker 2: minimum security whatever, but like to then get to go
Speaker 2: out on the weekends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so, I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2: So she ended up serving five of the five to
Speaker 2: twenty she was sentenced to for the murderer of the daughter,
Speaker 2: you know, finally the manslaughter charge. She was in a
Speaker 2: minimum security prison, like I said, and on her way
Speaker 2: out she was smiling and exchanging goodbyes with the correction workers.
Speaker 3: The Queen's DA John J. Santucci.
Speaker 2: I can't even think of a more Queen's das man
Speaker 2: than DA Santucci. And he begged the parole board to
Speaker 2: reject her request for parole and to remove her from
Speaker 2: the work release program, but everyone said get out of here,
Speaker 2: and so she got out of prison, and she ended
Speaker 2: up marrying her boyfriend Anthony, who visited her regularly. Well,
Speaker 2: she was in prison and he was rich as fuck,
Speaker 2: Like on the weekends during her release, she was on
Speaker 2: a yacht all summer long. She was on a yacht
Speaker 2: during the weekends during her time from jail. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: After she got out, they moved down to Florida, and
Speaker 2: there's never really been a definitive answer to who committed
Speaker 2: these murders of these children and what happened and nothing.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's nuts. Oh poor babies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really wonder. Okay, So the next case
Speaker 2: is a sunni you know, what is it?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: State University, New York, Albany hostage situation committed by Ralph
Speaker 2: Tortorichi Tortorichi, Torturici.
Speaker 3: It's toder Ichi torter Rici.
Speaker 2: I'm like sounding it out like a top child, but
Speaker 2: I just want Tortolini now, and this is killing me.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So thirty five students at the State University showed up
Speaker 2: December fifteenth, nineteen ninety four, to class on the last
Speaker 2: day of history of Ancient Greece. They ended up being
Speaker 2: held hostage for two and a half hours by a
Speaker 2: psychology student with a rifle who was ranting about micro
Speaker 2: chips in his brain. And what's wild is this is
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four, so I'm sure this was really shocking
Speaker 2: and huge, but this is truly like such a daily
Speaker 2: occurrence now that I wonder. I don't know, it's just
Speaker 2: is strange. So the standoff began at nine am as
Speaker 2: a professor Hans Poulsander was starting his history lesson on
Speaker 2: ancient Greece. Mister Poulsander scanned the hall and saw tour
Speaker 2: Turichi standing in the rear and asked, oh, are you
Speaker 2: part of this class? And at that moment, he pulled
Speaker 2: out a two seventy caliber Remington rifle from his Duffel bag.
Speaker 2: He had over two dozen rounds of ammunition in the bag.
Speaker 2: He threatened to kill the students and demanded speaking to
Speaker 2: President Clinton, Governor Mario Cuomo, and members of Congress. He
Speaker 2: wanted to speak to the university president. He wanted a
Speaker 2: big meeting with the financial aid officials. Lisa Kramer, who
Speaker 2: was a student in that room, said she like told
Speaker 2: the Times that he was basically mad because they wouldn't
Speaker 2: give him his degree or something. So that's what she
Speaker 2: boiled it down to, like he didn't get his degree,
Speaker 2: and he was pissed. And then two students that started
Speaker 2: crying hysterically, he allowed them to leave. So he he
Speaker 2: teetered between like menace and kind. He let the professor leave,
Speaker 2: he left three other He let three other students leave
Speaker 2: as well, but he said that he demanded from those
Speaker 2: students that they deliver messages to Clinton and others. Several
Speaker 2: hostages said his vibe, like I said, went from agitated
Speaker 2: to calm. He was sharing cigarettes. At one point, he
Speaker 2: demanded that the police bring in snacks and sodas for everyone.
Speaker 2: He sat down and ate a sandwich and drank a
Speaker 2: soda while he told everyone to study. And the professor
Speaker 2: ended up being able to alert campus police around nine
Speaker 2: thirty am. So at eleven thirty am, the things have changed.
Speaker 2: So at nine the cops are alerted. They're out there.
Speaker 2: You know, shit is going down inside. Turtuchi ordered this guy,
Speaker 2: Jason Mechanenny, who is from Hicksville and Nassau County. So
Speaker 2: so this guy ordered Jason to separate from two other
Speaker 2: students and stand near the front of the room. And
Speaker 2: as this was happening, like Jason said that throughout like
Speaker 2: he was taunting him and threatening him a lot so
Speaker 2: in his head, he's like, Okay, this dude wants to
Speaker 2: kill me, Like he is really giving me a lot
Speaker 2: of attention. Basically, the threats included like I'm gonna shoot
Speaker 2: you in your head multiple times. So he just felt
Speaker 2: extra threatened by the gunman and that's why he felt
Speaker 2: like he had to act. And so while he was
Speaker 2: being moved, he just like took it in that moment
Speaker 2: to attack and try to get the gun. So he
Speaker 2: like grabbed the gun and it shot into his upper leg,
Speaker 2: groin and abdomen in one one shot.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So he like grabbed the rifle, he disliked it from
Speaker 2: the gunman's grip, and it like shot in his abdomen, crutch,
Speaker 2: thigh this, and so that's when the standoff ended. So
Speaker 2: this nineteen year old sophomore from Long Island lunged at
Speaker 2: this gunman and then so he's wounded, and then other
Speaker 2: people from the class jumped in and began to wrestle
Speaker 2: the gunman to the ground. His injuries were really bad,
Speaker 2: you know, it did result in his inability to father children.
Speaker 2: And the testimony was so bad that one of the
Speaker 2: jurors like in the trial fainted and he was excused
Speaker 2: from duty, like the incident was bad. Only twelve days
Speaker 2: out from the shooting, he'd already had seven operations, so
Speaker 2: it was intense. One student then kicked him in the face,
Speaker 2: another pushed him into the wall, three others helped him
Speaker 2: hold him down, and then heavily armed police officers poured
Speaker 2: into the room. So after there was a student hero shot,
Speaker 2: after students were kicking him, pulling him, holding him down,
Speaker 2: that when the police decided to enter.
Speaker 3: And it just makes me.
Speaker 2: Feel like, think about the Valdi situation and like pumping
Speaker 2: fucking hand sanitizer into their hand as like kids are
Speaker 2: being shot.
Speaker 3: It's like, so it's just so fucked up.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm annoyed that it was made to
Speaker 2: feel like we had to feel so bad for, you know,
Speaker 2: forty five getting shot When I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: none of you care about schools of children getting shot,
Speaker 2: Like there's no empathy there, But suddenly I have to
Speaker 2: be like, oh no, and it's yeah, I fucking hate it,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I just can't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like the cops aren't preventing the crime, and then
Speaker 2: they're also not helping the crime. And then they're coming in.
Speaker 2: After all, these students risk their lives. So Albany police
Speaker 2: arrested Ralph J. Trderici at twenty six years old and
Speaker 2: charged him with attempted murder. While he was escorted out
Speaker 2: in cuffs, he yelled stap government experimentation.
Speaker 3: And that's according to The New York Times.
Speaker 2: The cops said that he was angry, lots of irrational
Speaker 2: thoughts throughout the nearly two hours of negotiation. Very little
Speaker 2: is known about this dude, and he did have enough
Speaker 2: credits to graduate, and there's absolutely no record of conflicts
Speaker 2: involving him in the university, So I know it's not
Speaker 2: about that. I really do think this man suffers from schizophrenia.
Speaker 2: But he did have a police record. He was arrested
Speaker 2: with possession of a small amount of crack, so also crack,
Speaker 2: but he didn't have drugs on him that day and
Speaker 2: he did not appear to be under the influence when
Speaker 2: he was taken into custody. He was convicted January twelfth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, by a jury who found him legally,
Speaker 2: sane and responsible for his actions in less than two
Speaker 2: hours of deliberation. Wonder said that they definitely thought that
Speaker 2: he was mentally disturbed, but did not think that he
Speaker 2: fit the legal definition of insanity. But his defense attorney,
Speaker 2: Catherine Case, said during the trial he was diagnosed as
Speaker 2: a paranoid schizophrenic, which I was thinking, like, I said, like,
Speaker 2: that's all that came to me, Like he thinks there's
Speaker 2: microchips by the government and he wants to talk to
Speaker 2: President Clinton, like yeah, something like I don't understand why
Speaker 2: he was found mentally sane and legally saying I really
Speaker 2: don't understand that. So he was sent to a psychiatric
Speaker 2: center after his arrest, but the doctor's there deemed him
Speaker 2: mentally fit to stand trial, So he was tried in
Speaker 2: State Supreme Court in Albany without a competency hearing, and
Speaker 2: he was found guilty on two counts of assault, four
Speaker 2: counts of kidnapping, four counts of reckless endangerment, criminal use
Speaker 2: of a firearm, and criminal possession of a weapon. He
Speaker 2: was acquitted on three counts of attempted murder, and he
Speaker 2: was facing twenty years in a state prison, which I
Speaker 2: actually think is kind of low. He was sentenced February seventeenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six to fifteen and two thirds to twenty
Speaker 2: seven years. The State Court of Appeals ruled in February
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine that he had been properly tried, and
Speaker 2: then he was actually found dead in his cell August tenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine. He took his own life and tied
Speaker 2: himself to a shelf in his cell with a bedsheet
Speaker 2: at the maximum security Sullivan Correctional Facility in Fallsburg, which
Speaker 2: is seventy miles northwest of New York City. But it
Speaker 2: fucking makes sense because this motherfucker's schizophrenia and he was
Speaker 2: going to spend his life in prison, and he maybe
Speaker 2: was medicated realized what he did, maybe not, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's just some you know, And I
Speaker 2: also wonder like what have would that have man have been?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really sad the guy got shot. I
Speaker 2: know he tried to sue the school. I'm not really
Speaker 2: sure what ended up happening with that. He felt like
Speaker 2: he was not properly protected, and he ended up transferring
Speaker 2: and graduating from a different university. He did not want
Speaker 2: to go back to campus, if you can imagine. But yeah,
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four, and it's just like, I don't
Speaker 2: even think this would make the news.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that's the kid. That's a kidnapping, and.
Speaker 2: You know the shooting of Melinda, Yeah, that's a hostage.
Speaker 3: That's a hostage.
Speaker 2: So these are the three cases that I researched until
Speaker 2: five am.
Speaker 3: So hope you enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: And now we have an interview the Guests of a
Speaker 1: Lifetime that we are so pumped for. So don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1: Changed my life, honestly, our guest today, what do I
Speaker 1: even say? An absolute SVW legend. She's also known for
Speaker 1: her role as Attorney Jessica Griffin on As the World Turns,
Speaker 1: as a power lesbian on Sex and the City, and
Speaker 1: recently starred as Whitney Houston's mother in the Whitney Houston
Speaker 1: biopic Whitney Houston, I want to dance with somebody, which
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with. But you guys know her best as
Speaker 1: medical examiner Melinda Warner. Please enjoy our honestly life changing
Speaker 1: chat with Tomorrow Toney.
Speaker 5: Hello, mine ly we meet.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it is a dream. We have been
Speaker 3: dying to get you.
Speaker 1: We've been harassing our friend Diane Neil to try to
Speaker 1: back channel to you. We've been trying all of our
Speaker 1: avenues and finally the day has come. Melinda Warner is
Speaker 1: here on the podcast. We are so excited. I don't
Speaker 1: even know where to begin. It's hard, hundred episodes.
Speaker 5: Where to begin?
Speaker 3: Where do we start?
Speaker 2: Do you know how many times you have said semen
Speaker 2: on the show? Is there an official counter?
Speaker 3: Not enough? Not enough? Back season twenty six, Let's better back?
Speaker 1: And we love to talk about how like the earlier seasons,
Speaker 1: like seasons like well we call them like the Neil
Speaker 1: Bear years, like seasons two through twelve that's had like
Speaker 1: so much humor, which of course Richard Belzer was a
Speaker 1: professional comedian and iced Tea is very funny, but like
Speaker 1: you have so many funny lines like you. We do
Speaker 1: this podcast like on the road sometimes for live shows,
Speaker 1: and we usually do the more campier episodes, and there's
Speaker 1: always like a few more Linda clips that we show.
Speaker 3: Are you saying, oh my god, like booty dust.
Speaker 1: Like just like you get to say all I remember that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I say it all the time whenever
Speaker 1: anybody has a little glitter on them, I'm like booty dust,
Speaker 1: like you know.
Speaker 2: Well, and not only funny, you can also tell that
Speaker 2: your characters passionate in it and does not take shit
Speaker 2: and plays by the rules. Well not always, but you
Speaker 2: have because you have your detectives back.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I had a great part.
Speaker 3: You speak for the dead. As you said, I speak
Speaker 3: for the.
Speaker 5: Dead, I know, yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, and we've noticed with like not taking shit from others.
Speaker 2: We also we really love your dynamic with Rollins and
Speaker 2: how she doesn't believe you in episodes and you kind
Speaker 2: of have to like, I know, if I could.
Speaker 6: Say girlfriend, I would I would be like, girlfriend, do
Speaker 6: you know who you're talking to?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: It's funny like because they never they until her.
Speaker 1: She's a little bit your nemesis at the beginning, like
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, you guys have this tension.
Speaker 6: Because she kind of like she kind of took Stabler's
Speaker 6: place in that because Stabler would sometimes question or challenge
Speaker 6: or doubt not have to set him straight, you know,
Speaker 6: so she kind of came in with uh, with that energy,
Speaker 6: you know, the new person and and bringing that new
Speaker 6: person energy into the into the scene.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So yeah, there's a couple of times I would
Speaker 5: have to set her straight, and.
Speaker 3: Maybe we are stretching here.
Speaker 1: But did you ever feel like there was some kind
Speaker 1: of romantic tension between you and Finn Melinda and Finn.
Speaker 3: Absolute, okay, absolutely, just double checking that we're not making
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 6: It was written into the script, and you know, they
Speaker 6: toyed with us with the idea that something might happen,
Speaker 6: but then it didn't.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, but it leaped off the screen because in
Speaker 2: our heads were like she had a husband, who were
Speaker 2: like they are into each other?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that part.
Speaker 6: I had a husband, and so when I when we
Speaker 6: had that scene, I remember saying, but wait, I'm married,
Speaker 6: and they're like, no, you're not, You're not anymore.
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, Yeah, Like you mentioned, Melinda
Speaker 3: gets to mention.
Speaker 1: A daughter once and a husband once and that she
Speaker 1: had a dog named Pete once.
Speaker 3: And I feel like that's all Yet, No, a sister
Speaker 3: that was a buyer for Sacks.
Speaker 5: That's right, that's what I forgot about my sister.
Speaker 3: We don't we don't forget.
Speaker 2: I was that guy, like Kara mentioned our live shows,
Speaker 2: one of our trivia questions was where does your sister work?
Speaker 2: And where does she work? Sacks Fifth Avenue?
Speaker 6: Who's the fire for Sacks? I only wore scrubs, So
Speaker 6: I had no idea that.
Speaker 1: But your character and Olivia and Merka's character always know
Speaker 1: the high end stuff, like you guys are always like, ah,
Speaker 1: well these these are from.
Speaker 3: You know, this designer, like exactly exactly. They leave it
Speaker 3: to the ladies.
Speaker 6: The ladies, No, we can't afford it on a city salary,
Speaker 6: but we can fantasize and we can, you know, look
Speaker 6: at magazines exactly.
Speaker 1: So you just came back last season of OC, yes, right,
Speaker 1: which I watch, but I am behind, so I have
Speaker 1: not seen your episode yet where you cook at What
Speaker 1: is Melinda doing when she comes back into that episode?
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's so interesting because I had completely forgotten
Speaker 6: that there was an episode of SVU.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was a crossover episode. I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: They all kind of start blending as you and OC
Speaker 6: in particular, I think.
Speaker 3: Finn and.
Speaker 6: Benson had come into the morgue to talk, you know,
Speaker 6: for me to give them some information on whatever happened
Speaker 6: to the poor victim, and so as as they were leaving,
Speaker 6: I called Olivia back and I said, you know, I
Speaker 6: reached out to to Stabler with my indolences with what happened,
Speaker 6: and you know, he never responded, you know, and she
Speaker 6: said something like, yeah, well he's you know, he's going
Speaker 6: through some things like of course. So cut to earlier
Speaker 6: this year when we do organized crime. So Stabler needs
Speaker 6: some information because a mosque has been blown up and
Speaker 6: a witness says they hurt.
Speaker 5: A gun shot before the mosque blew up.
Speaker 6: So he wants me to he he comes in to
Speaker 6: ask me to look closely at these photos and to
Speaker 6: determine if this person was shot before they blew up whatever.
Speaker 5: And so we do that whole thing, and then he's having.
Speaker 6: You know, kathy blowing up flashbacks as I'm giving him
Speaker 6: the information. And then as he's about to leave, he
Speaker 6: doesn't about face and he comes back and he embraces me,
Speaker 6: which is totally out of character for Sabler, as we know, right,
Speaker 6: he embraces me, and so so I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, what the fuck is going on? You know?
Speaker 6: But I'm like, okay, it was this for you know,
Speaker 6: and he's like, you know, I got your message and
Speaker 6: thank you and blah blah blah. So it was I
Speaker 6: think the purpose was just to have that human connection,
Speaker 6: you know, for Stabler and you know, maybe plan to
Speaker 6: see that you know, Melinda might be around every now
Speaker 6: and again.
Speaker 5: You know it'd be great, but time will tell.
Speaker 1: Let's let's bring her back please. Who wouldn't want that?
Speaker 1: Like it's they need you back in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I need.
Speaker 6: I really miss And a lot of fans tell me
Speaker 6: that that they really missed the science.
Speaker 5: They really missed, you.
Speaker 6: Know, the the intelligence of the science and those puzzle
Speaker 6: pieces that put it together. And they say, you know,
Speaker 6: they learned so much and it was so interesting and
Speaker 6: et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: But you know, as you said, leadership change.
Speaker 6: And Neil was Neil was a doctor and so he
Speaker 6: was very much an advocate for that medical science stuff,
Speaker 6: you know, which was which was really great, I mean,
Speaker 6: and it really added, you know, another level to the show.
Speaker 1: I think, yes, we know what Pika is because of SVU,
Speaker 1: Like I know what a million different. Yeah, we just
Speaker 1: covered the episode retro where you go up against Martin
Speaker 1: Maull who recently passed away, and he's an AIDS Denier
Speaker 1: and you have all this like great information. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like just in case you happen to be an
Speaker 1: AIDS Denier and you're catching an episode of SVU Melinda
Speaker 1: Warner's laying it out pretty pretty simply for you to.
Speaker 5: Follow exactly in late terms.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, which you know, I think today, of all days,
Speaker 1: we need more science so that people can stop like
Speaker 1: denying science.
Speaker 5: You know, I agree.
Speaker 1: So, and it was you with the science and Huong
Speaker 1: with the psychiatry. I liked both of those aspects this episode.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this episode that we're talking about today,
Speaker 1: Shattered where you get shot? Oh god, Isabel my favorite
Speaker 1: yes Bench actress of all time, one of the most
Speaker 1: famous Yeah, I actress.
Speaker 6: Thrilled and honored. I was so thrilled and honored. And
Speaker 6: when she when she arrived on set, you know when
Speaker 6: I arrived, because they had already been shooting the episode.
Speaker 6: So when I arrived on set, you know, I made
Speaker 6: a beeline for her dressing room because I had to
Speaker 6: tell her what a fan I was of her work,
Speaker 6: and you know, and she was.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 6: She was blown away because pretty much very you know,
Speaker 6: hardly anybody who knew she knew who she was on
Speaker 6: that set, right, And so when I was telling her,
Speaker 6: you know, I love this movie and I love this movie,
Speaker 6: and I mean, she was just blown away. So I
Speaker 6: was very excited that I was going to be shot
Speaker 6: by Isabella whupear.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love that. That's so great.
Speaker 6: And that was a very touching episode too, very tragic episode.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: The young boy who played the sun. I remember we
Speaker 6: were we rehearsed the scene and you know, and they're
Speaker 6: shouting and you know, she's waving the gun and her shouting,
Speaker 6: and he's under the sheet, and so we cut the
Speaker 6: rehearsal and we're talking and I glanced over at the sheet,
Speaker 6: just because I'm very conscious of my victims. And usually
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, let's let's take the sheet down
Speaker 6: so they can breathe, you know, or if we're outside,
Speaker 6: I'm like, can we get something warm under this poor
Speaker 6: girl who's in a miniskirt? And some go go boots,
Speaker 6: you know, and it's.
Speaker 5: February, you know.
Speaker 6: But I glanced over and the and the sheep was
Speaker 6: shaking like this right, and so I I, you know,
Speaker 6: I was, and people were talking, and so I went
Speaker 6: over and I pulled the sheet down and he was
Speaker 6: crying and I was, and I you know, and so
Speaker 6: I said to the to the ad, I was like.
Speaker 5: Can we get his mom in here? You know, can
Speaker 5: we get his mom in here right now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: And so his mom came in sold, you know, and
Speaker 6: I told him this is pretend. You know, nobody's upset,
Speaker 6: nobody's getting hurt, you know. But it was just like
Speaker 6: and it was always when her children were involved. Wherever
Speaker 6: children were on the set, you know, I was just
Speaker 6: so you know, aware of them and very protective of them.
Speaker 7: I mean we all were, you know, but yeah, but
Speaker 7: particularly if I had to deal with them, you know,
Speaker 7: it was you know, it was always kind of emotional,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine yeah, and as like a small
Speaker 1: child actor to be like okay, just stay there, like
Speaker 1: you have to be dead, like don't don't move, Like
Speaker 1: I can imagine that being also very nerve wrecking, like
Speaker 1: what if I move, am I gonna get in trouble?
Speaker 3: Or you know?
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and and I'm sure like his mom
Speaker 6: probably read in the scene, but you don't know what
Speaker 6: it is until you're in it, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 6: that energy that's in the room, you know.
Speaker 5: He just yeah, but he was okay after that. He
Speaker 5: was really good after that.
Speaker 2: Well, Nicholas, I was gonna say, it's also such good
Speaker 2: actors that I can imagine feeling that energy.
Speaker 3: And yeah as a kid, yeahs an adult, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like Kauza Balu pair is there like having her mental
Speaker 1: breakdown and waving a gun around. You could believe that's real,
Speaker 1: like as an adult, let alone a child.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, absolutely. And and as you mentioned, it is
Speaker 6: difficult to play dead, you know. Yeah, you've had so
Speaker 6: many actors because everybody's like those real dead bodies. I'm like, well, no,
Speaker 6: they're not real dead bodies, they're real people, you know.
Speaker 6: And so you know, for actors to like hold your
Speaker 6: breath and don't let your eyes blink, you know, and
Speaker 6: and when you're you know, when you're trying to be
Speaker 6: still is when your eyes you get very self conscious
Speaker 6: in your eyes.
Speaker 5: You know, want to twitch, they want to do rems,
Speaker 5: sleep whatever, you know.
Speaker 6: And so so it's it's, you know, it's not easy
Speaker 6: being a dead body, yeah, you know, and particularly they're
Speaker 6: always like starting the shot on the dead person, right
Speaker 6: and we're talking about them, So they have to hold
Speaker 6: their breath and keep their eyes still and dah dah
Speaker 6: da da da until you know, and and sometimes you know,
Speaker 6: we'd give them a word, you know on this word
Speaker 6: the camera's not on you anymore.
Speaker 5: You can breathe blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well, you like speaking of these dead bodies.
Speaker 1: Like there's some scenes like especially in like I think
Speaker 1: earlier seasons and stuff where Melinda's like, they'll go into
Speaker 1: the Morgan you're just like giving notes into a recorder,
Speaker 1: but you're like taking livers out of bodies and stuff,
Speaker 1: like you're actually.
Speaker 6: Handling thinking about that taking the liver and put it
Speaker 6: on the scale moment. Yeah, because when we first did
Speaker 6: it and rehearsed it, they had gotten a liver from
Speaker 6: the butcher shop.
Speaker 5: It was the side.
Speaker 6: It was a cow's liver, and it was massive, and
Speaker 6: the victim on the table was this you know, five
Speaker 6: foot two, one hundred and ten pound woman, you know.
Speaker 6: And I was like and the first time I picked
Speaker 6: it up, and I swear it was like this big,
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, and I said, I said,
Speaker 6: there is no way this came out of this person.
Speaker 5: Can we like?
Speaker 3: That is so funny?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you ever get squeamish about any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: like having to do any of the actual like Melinda
Speaker 1: warnering like.
Speaker 6: Gross dead people stuff. No, I never really got squeamish
Speaker 6: for two reasons. One because you know, I was a science.
Speaker 5: Kid and I loved biology.
Speaker 6: And you know, most of the things that I learned
Speaker 6: about anatomy I learned in ninth grade.
Speaker 5: And I remembered when I got this part.
Speaker 6: So I always tell young people, you know, who want
Speaker 6: to be actors or go into this business, I'm like,
Speaker 6: you know, study do well in school, you know, pay attention,
Speaker 6: learn everything you can possibly learn, because you never know
Speaker 6: when you're gonna use it, when you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Need it as an actor, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you know, some great advice, but it's
Speaker 3: absolutely true.
Speaker 6: And so you know, as far as the skeletal I mean,
Speaker 6: I knew all the bones of the body, you know,
Speaker 6: I knew where all the organs were in the person's body.
Speaker 6: You know, I knew all that stuff coming in. So
Speaker 6: I always say that, you know, and oh yeah, I
Speaker 6: grew up in a funeral home, and so the mortgage
Speaker 6: is part of my life.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So it was was your family like was your family
Speaker 1: like of course when you got this part, like you know.
Speaker 5: They were quite proud. I mean, it's you know, it's
Speaker 5: very different.
Speaker 6: A medical Examiner's office yeah, it's preceds the funeral home,
Speaker 6: you know. But you know, in my day, you know,
Speaker 6: I I have you know, done the hair of a
Speaker 6: deceased woman or I've done a light makeup of a
Speaker 6: deceased person, and you know, and we lived above the
Speaker 6: funeral home, and so there was always you know, a.
Speaker 5: Deceased person in the in in downstairs. So it was
Speaker 5: just normal for us.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Wow, very six feet Yeah, so that's that. Wow.
Speaker 1: When you got this script though for Shattered, and you
Speaker 1: saw that you were going to get shot, where you like,
Speaker 1: are they killing off Melinda? For like a second, were
Speaker 1: you worried that they were?
Speaker 6: I was, But then I got to the last page
Speaker 6: and she said, I am not dead.
Speaker 5: I am not dead.
Speaker 3: Vultures back up right.
Speaker 1: Like even she's funny, even when she's getting wheeled away
Speaker 1: with an almost like a could be deadly wound, you know,
Speaker 1: in her chest. But also you're like that whole scene,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just watched it to be ready for today,
Speaker 1: but like that whole scene when you're like directing your
Speaker 1: own chest, your own intimation is like so insane, Like
Speaker 1: listen to you with the intubation. I watch a show
Speaker 1: I watch Law and Orders for you a lot. And
Speaker 1: how was working with Sharon Stone in that scene as well?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Oh that was great. She was great. She was great.
Speaker 5: She was very interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, it was very interesting because at one point,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean it was a very interesting, you know,
Speaker 6: dynamic between you know, the two female leads, you know,
Speaker 6: and so you know, I could feel the energy in
Speaker 6: the room, you know. And and so at one point,
Speaker 6: you know, when we were rehearsing the scene, when we
Speaker 6: got to the point where she has to cut me,
Speaker 6: and I'm telling her to get this and da da
Speaker 6: da da, and Sharon Stone was like, well, I think this,
Speaker 6: and I think that, and blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 6: just said, well, you're not the one on the floor,
Speaker 6: You're not the one with the bullet in you. You're
Speaker 6: not the one who needs to be cut open. So
Speaker 6: I will tell you what needs to.
Speaker 5: Be you know. I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But she was terrific. She was great. She was great.
Speaker 1: Well, like, we just covered the episode where Olivia finds
Speaker 1: out a guy that she had slept with five years
Speaker 1: ago was HIV positive and you give her the test
Speaker 1: on the down low, like for her privacy and so
Speaker 1: you're there. You've got their backs too, but when it's
Speaker 1: not going to be a goal, you know.
Speaker 6: And Melinda comes to a Libya's apartment after she has
Speaker 6: adopted the child to.
Speaker 5: Give her the information of who the father of that
Speaker 5: child is. You know who was Johnny D.
Speaker 6: Revealed Johnny D reveal the criminal, the sociopath.
Speaker 5: Criminal is the daddy a baby daddy? You know?
Speaker 1: Do you you know you remember so you said they're
Speaker 1: all a blurb, but you really seem to remember a
Speaker 1: lot of very specific episodes.
Speaker 3: Actually, do you have.
Speaker 5: I watched the damn show.
Speaker 3: I know, I know people like I always.
Speaker 5: Watch the marathons.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so, lie, oh that's you must be like,
Speaker 1: oh that was a fun day, like when you're watching
Speaker 1: them aera exactly.
Speaker 5: And also it's like it's back you know.
Speaker 6: It serves multipurposes, you know, because it's like, if I
Speaker 6: want to have the television on but not really have
Speaker 6: to pay attention to it because I'm doing something else,
Speaker 6: I'll have that on. But also I travel a lot,
Speaker 6: and I'm in different countries a lot, and so you
Speaker 6: can always find Law and Order on television in every
Speaker 6: country on the planet. So it's also very comforting when
Speaker 6: I'm away, you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, we call it a hotel show as well.
Speaker 1: Like if you're in a hotel and you're not watching you,
Speaker 1: you're not watching you know, USA or sv wherever.
Speaker 3: It is exactly what you're doing exactly.
Speaker 2: It's really nice to know that you kind of have
Speaker 2: the same relationship with SVUW that so much, so many
Speaker 2: of us have. It is our comfort show, and I
Speaker 2: really do, I really do.
Speaker 1: I also just to pile more compliments on you. I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with I Want to Dance with Somebody. You
Speaker 1: were amazing in that. I thought that movie. It's on
Speaker 1: Delta now and everybody needs to go see it.
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I loved it because a lot of biopics I think
Speaker 1: miss it, and I really thought this was a great one.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. That really means a lot to
Speaker 5: all of us who worked on that.
Speaker 1: You you were so great. I didn't know a lot
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Sissy. I didn't really know, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she's not a bad guy, but she's
Speaker 1: not a total good guy, you know, like complicated you know,
Speaker 1: complicated relationships.
Speaker 3: Yeah, complicated relationship yah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also yeah, you're welcome. And also I loved
Speaker 1: diet Land and I was sad to see it.
Speaker 3: Oh that's my last, that's it, no more.
Speaker 5: I loved diet Land.
Speaker 3: It was so good, and.
Speaker 1: I loved your part in that one. And you know,
Speaker 1: of course I'm like, oh my god, Melinda Warner's in this.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I know you're a.
Speaker 1: Separate person, but I thought it was really wonderful. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was annoying because it was like, it felt like
Speaker 1: it was canceled because it was a woman's show a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm going to tell you I truly believe because
Speaker 6: you know, that first season was you know, it was successful.
Speaker 6: You know, people was catching on and talking about it.
Speaker 6: People were talking about it, and they actually opened the
Speaker 6: writer's room and so we were greenlit for season two
Speaker 6: and they opened the writer's room and the writers had written,
Speaker 6: you know, the second season, and you know, it was
Speaker 6: a week or two before we were going to start shooting,
Speaker 6: and they pulled the plug.
Speaker 5: And I really, I really believe.
Speaker 6: We started shooting the first season when the ship hit
Speaker 6: the fan with Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, uh huh.
Speaker 6: And you know, but I truly think that show terrified
Speaker 6: the men who were in the.
Speaker 5: Decision making position to keep the show going. You know,
Speaker 5: I really do.
Speaker 3: I think because of the culture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that I.
Speaker 6: Really do, because there was no other reason that that
Speaker 6: show did not move forward.
Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about it.
Speaker 1: I was dying to know what happened to everybody. They
Speaker 1: had a powerhouse cast. Yeah, like it was. It was crazy.
Speaker 6: Anyway, thank you, I mean thank you because those are
Speaker 6: important shows. And I've had the privilege of really participating
Speaker 6: in things that are you know, in the zeitgeist, if
Speaker 6: you will, or really part of the conversation or really
Speaker 6: anticipating the conversation that's.
Speaker 5: About to happen, you know.
Speaker 6: And so I've been I've been really fortunate that way
Speaker 6: that that these things have you know, have come my way,
Speaker 6: have been presented to me, and I could participate them
Speaker 6: that really, you know, spark conversation and challenge people's thinking.
Speaker 5: You know, it's really great.
Speaker 1: And SVU has done that a lot of times, where
Speaker 1: they've had episodes that come out before a big thing
Speaker 1: breaks or like a thing even happens, you.
Speaker 6: Know, yes, yes, And the premise of course of Law
Speaker 6: and Order is like ripped from the headlines right, that
Speaker 6: was how the original even came to be. So they
Speaker 6: were taking they were taking the headlines and writing these stories,
Speaker 6: you know, And we do that a lot on our
Speaker 6: show our and I still say our show because even
Speaker 6: though I'm not there, it's my show, and you know,
Speaker 6: but also as just and we take it and put
Speaker 6: a little twist on it, you know, writers put a
Speaker 6: little different twist on it.
Speaker 5: Whatever.
Speaker 6: But also there are stories that have indeed kind of
Speaker 6: preceded events that have happened and almost been like a premonition.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was to come, you know.
Speaker 1: So they had an episode about Epstein way before that
Speaker 1: really broke yes, way before. Yes, So it's really that's
Speaker 1: just my example. Yeah, during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Was it pandemic or was it after you reunited with
Speaker 2: Diane Neil again for that rules that Circle of Deception?
Speaker 6: Yes, that was that was during pandemic. I would say
Speaker 6: it was after lockdown.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: We were the first production, the first TV or film
Speaker 6: production to come back to work, and we shot it
Speaker 6: up in Vancouver, and so we were very much kind
Speaker 6: of the experiment as far as in the guinea pigs,
Speaker 6: as far as protocols for COVID, you know, wearing masks,
Speaker 6: and and who could be in particular zones, you know,
Speaker 6: and and you know, but yes, but and we had
Speaker 6: a good time and and and you know, my mother loves.
Speaker 5: Lifetime Movie Network. But you know, it's not my.
Speaker 3: Cup of tea. But I will say that that.
Speaker 5: Movie was good. It was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we watched it, and then we did a Live
Speaker 1: with Diane on the night that it premiered. We went
Speaker 1: on Instagram Live with her and like talked about it
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Believe she went on it.
Speaker 2: We were just gonna talk about it and then we
Speaker 2: couldn't even believe it.
Speaker 3: She's like, I'll get on the live.
Speaker 2: Memorable moment. Well, Circle of Deception was one of the
Speaker 2: first back. But was so is SVU. Like you were
Speaker 2: in the Quarantine episodes and you guys started in New York.
Speaker 3: I feel pretty hard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it did come back because I went to
Speaker 6: Vancouver to shoot that, and then I came back and
Speaker 6: in that September did an episode of SVU. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: then like either the end of September beginning of October
Speaker 6: was when I went to New Zealand to film Cowboy Bebop.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and let it's.
Speaker 1: Crazy they were allowing people in because they were so
Speaker 1: locked down.
Speaker 6: We were so locked they were so locked down, and
Speaker 6: they were very strict, and there was no COVID because
Speaker 6: they were very strict right when they when you arrived,
Speaker 6: you know, you didn't know where you were going to quarantine. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you didn't know where you were going to quarantine. And
Speaker 6: so I flew all the way across the world not
Speaker 6: knowing where I was going to be, you know, and
Speaker 6: I couldn't tell my family, I couldn't tell my agents,
Speaker 6: my reps. Nobody knew, right but because there was government,
Speaker 6: and so when you got there, the government decided.
Speaker 5: Where you would go for your quarantine.
Speaker 6: And so I ride there after eighteen hours on a
Speaker 6: plane and it's five o'clock in the morning, and I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm here in Auckland, and they're like, no, you have
Speaker 6: to get on another plane because you're quarantining on the
Speaker 6: South Island in christ Church.
Speaker 5: And I burst into tears.
Speaker 6: Oh no, because I was like, yeah, yeah, another plane,
Speaker 6: but yeah, so I had to go down there. So
Speaker 6: I quarantined and it was at the end and you know,
Speaker 6: they were serious, like the soldiers met your plane you know,
Speaker 6: they weren't armed, but they were in uniform, and they
Speaker 6: met your plane and they escorted you the baggage clane
Speaker 6: get your bags and they helped you with your bags.
Speaker 5: It was very nice and some of them were quite
Speaker 5: good looking. And then they escorted you to where you're
Speaker 5: going to quarantine.
Speaker 6: And so we were in you know, I was in
Speaker 6: this room, this hotel room, you know, at the airport
Speaker 6: in christ Church, looking at you know, the bus parking
Speaker 6: lot for two weeks.
Speaker 5: And there was an occasion.
Speaker 6: There was occasion for you to go outside and get
Speaker 6: some fresh air, but you had to do it in
Speaker 6: particular groups.
Speaker 5: And you got a.
Speaker 6: Wristban with color that told you what time you could go.
Speaker 6: And there was somebody there checking your wristband. And then
Speaker 6: they had put a chain link fence around the hotel
Speaker 6: like terrace patio, and so there was a fence and
Speaker 6: then there was three feet and then there was another
Speaker 6: chain link fence because a lot of people who were
Speaker 6: quarantining were kiwis, you know, and so their families would
Speaker 6: come and visit, you know, And then there were people
Speaker 6: like you know, jogging around the circumference of it. There
Speaker 6: were people in the corner smoking cigarettes. I was like,
Speaker 6: I'm in the yard, y'all.
Speaker 5: This is yard up in.
Speaker 6: Here, up in here, this is the yard, you know,
Speaker 6: and the US could never, would, never, never get people
Speaker 6: to do it. Then you do your quarantine, you know,
Speaker 6: and you go and you're back into the world. You know.
Speaker 6: There was there was no COVID, so everything was open.
Speaker 6: There was live entertainment, there was restaurants, there was it was.
Speaker 6: Everything was open. It was normal, you know. So it
Speaker 6: was pretty amazing. And I was like, see, that's what
Speaker 6: female leadership can do.
Speaker 3: Yep, we hear that. We hear that. Well, you have
Speaker 3: to get going, but do we have any do we
Speaker 3: have last minute?
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess if if you can, how are
Speaker 2: the SBU Christmas parties?
Speaker 5: And then we need to know?
Speaker 6: Oh they were always fun, always fun. The Christmas parties
Speaker 6: were always great. And also the the rap parties were
Speaker 6: always great because the rap parties we would get to
Speaker 6: watch the blooper reel.
Speaker 5: You know, and so that was all. That was always fun.
Speaker 5: That was always fun.
Speaker 6: And I was always happy when I made a blooper
Speaker 6: reel because I didn't do a lot of bloopers because.
Speaker 5: You know, I just don't roll like that. You know.
Speaker 6: I come in, I'm prepared, I'm ready to do myself,
Speaker 6: you know. But then we get to the blooper reel
Speaker 6: and I'm like, darn it, I should have messed up
Speaker 6: so I could get for real, you know.
Speaker 5: But it was fun. So anytime I made the blooper reel,
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that's the best.
Speaker 1: Are you still close with people from the show, like
Speaker 1: who I'm very close with Christopher, with Christopher Chris and
Speaker 1: his family, Yeah, I just was.
Speaker 5: I just spent the weekending with them, like for the
Speaker 5: July weekend. Yeah. Wow, we're very We're very very good friends.
Speaker 6: We're family, and I love them and I love that
Speaker 6: Low and Order gave me that, you know. Yeah, but this.
Speaker 2: Time we love Melinda Warner so much and it's just
Speaker 2: been such a pleasure, and you're so incredible and this
Speaker 2: was such so.
Speaker 1: I feel like we could talk to you for another hour,
Speaker 1: but we all have to go.
Speaker 5: Great to meet you both. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I mean, can you even believe it?
Speaker 1: I we need her back like we need her for
Speaker 1: a second part. It was so hard to get her
Speaker 1: just for one and now I'm going to just be
Speaker 1: barking down her door for another one.
Speaker 3: I mean like that, I could have talked to her forever.
Speaker 3: She's so smart and cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just there's you know, the funeral home of
Speaker 2: it all, the like, yeah, loving science, the like well,
Speaker 2: dashing towards other actors.
Speaker 3: That's right, say I mean Maloney.
Speaker 2: Yes, It's just she's is so cool and hard working
Speaker 2: and yeah that was life changing, I would say.
Speaker 1: And she like sings and does theater. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: so multi talented. But I keep thinking about that now
Speaker 1: when I watch sview episodes, I keep going I miss
Speaker 1: the science, Like I really miss her in bd Wong,
Speaker 1: Like the science was such a good part of the show,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of gone now in the newer seasons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because we love all SVU, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just don't They're they're never finding out like,
Speaker 1: oh there's this really specific thing where you can have
Speaker 1: sex with people while you're sleeping, you know, like these
Speaker 1: lower like peak Pika or like stuff we don't like
Speaker 1: we didn't know about.
Speaker 2: I honestly wouldn't even know because I haven't watched the
Speaker 2: new season.
Speaker 3: I watched maybe two or three episodes.
Speaker 1: And stop of twenty five. Yeah, like I haven't been.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it'll be a day where I sit and
Speaker 1: watch it all. You know, I have a TV now,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I guess it's like they're they're
Speaker 1: probably trying to keep up, like quote unquote, with the times,
Speaker 1: and it does feel more like a sort of a
Speaker 1: netflixy procedural where it's like darker, like their offices are
Speaker 1: more modern, Like it's more I guess maybe what I
Speaker 1: imagine Criminal Minds.
Speaker 3: To be a little bit more maybe, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well criminal minds they're always on a private jet, are they, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they're the FBI, so like they got they got
Speaker 2: a fly or something like that.
Speaker 3: But they're flying around to the case and just like.
Speaker 1: You know, I would just love there to be instead
Speaker 1: of the world's most powerful soccer player, most powerful lifeguard,
Speaker 1: most powerful real estate agent in New York. Like let's
Speaker 1: get the old crimes where it gonna be happening to anybody,
Speaker 1: and like the answer is in the science sometimes because
Speaker 1: I do miss that.
Speaker 3: And I liked when she said that I miss the science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for like the Inside Scoop, we interview Michael
Speaker 2: Beach from Low Down and then Tomorrow Tuni in the
Speaker 2: same day, and it was just like back to back heaven,
Speaker 2: just like passionate, hardworking people with like so much to
Speaker 2: learn from and it was a life changing week. I
Speaker 2: would say I couldn't step talking about it, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was so happy and she, I mean in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think we knew how to handle ourselves. I
Speaker 1: feel like we were too just like and then you
Speaker 1: did this and we loved it and she was like,
Speaker 1: uh huh, it was like hard for us to even
Speaker 1: like realize what was happening.
Speaker 3: But and the memory, I mean the memory she.
Speaker 2: You know, she's kind of like me, no big deal,
Speaker 2: but really detailed memories of every episode.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's ever done.
Speaker 1: And that was right, and she's been in hundreds, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's been in so many freaking episodes. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: I mean a delight, what a delight.
Speaker 2: And I love that she confirmed that Finn definitely wants
Speaker 2: to fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, like that was on the page or
Speaker 1: was that you guys just having fun?
Speaker 3: Well, you also.
Speaker 1: Met these like two very dedicated actors, like just as
Speaker 1: you were working on a movie too, And I feel
Speaker 1: like that like was helping you and like you know,
Speaker 1: inspire you, and you helped me because I.
Speaker 2: Liked I forgot who said what, but it was like
Speaker 2: everything around you.
Speaker 3: I think tomorrow like can be.
Speaker 2: You never know when what you learn will come to
Speaker 2: like to be to be what is the word useful?
Speaker 2: Like you never know what knowledge, what skill, what moment,
Speaker 2: what person you can like reach and like use in
Speaker 2: this one moment in time. And I also with Michael
Speaker 2: Beach the way he talks about like preparation, preparation, preparation.
Speaker 3: Getting ready for that walk.
Speaker 2: And talk and like just being so ready, and I
Speaker 2: just I loved it and their passion. And you know,
Speaker 2: it also brings up like how separate black and white
Speaker 2: Hollywood is, because when I brought up Michael beat to
Speaker 2: one of my black friends, he was like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: waiting to sale, like that's a hero, and so like
Speaker 2: that's kind of wild. I wish we I wish there
Speaker 2: was less racism. So yeah, black famous people like Viola
Speaker 2: Davis could get paid as much as Meryl Street. You know,
Speaker 2: shit like that where we don't even know Michael Beach
Speaker 2: And I bring it up to a friend who's like, oh,
Speaker 2: started doing impressions of Michael Beach. That's how well known
Speaker 2: he was in you know, yeah, in the black community.
Speaker 3: And I don't. I didn't really know him past this episode.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just like to make sure you're watching
Speaker 2: different things, like watching things that aren't quote unquote made
Speaker 2: for you. Open your eyes, see different things. And I
Speaker 2: am a hypocrite. I don't want to read a subtitle
Speaker 2: to save my like, I don't want him.
Speaker 3: As I'm saying this, I'm lying.
Speaker 2: But whatever, this is a huge episode for us, a
Speaker 2: huge get we've been trying to get tomorrow up for
Speaker 2: I would say the beginning of day one. Yes, Day one,
Speaker 2: she you know, she works hard, she's out and about.
Speaker 2: We're so glad we trapped her, and I think, I
Speaker 2: hope I see her again.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, to run into her in person
Speaker 1: and be like, it's me from Zoom, I would love it.
Speaker 1: We got to get to our what would Sister Peg do?
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