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Speaker 1: And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to and That's what You Really miss Podcast. Today

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Speaker 3: we have an actor a friend from another hit show

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Speaker 3: and it's a very meta thing where our worlds have

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Speaker 3: collided multiple times. Kevin, you were on the Office as

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Speaker 3: the pizza.

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Speaker 2: Guy, that's right, and then there was an episode of

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Speaker 2: Glee featured in an Office episode, so a very weird

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Speaker 2: meta crossover. But that's what makes The Office the incredible

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Speaker 2: show that it is because they're down to do that.

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Speaker 2: And today we have Brian Bob Gardner from the Office,

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Speaker 2: who played even weirder Kevin. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: strange ties we have all together and.

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Speaker 3: He's just like the best storyteller ever, so.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, the best We go on off the rails.

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Speaker 2: We just talked about whatever, which is great. And he

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Speaker 2: has a new cookbook out which we also talk about,

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Speaker 2: which is going to make you starving. It made Kevin starving,

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Speaker 2: made me starving. I have to go eat now. But

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Speaker 2: this from the Office, Brian bomb Gardner. Hello, it's so

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Speaker 2: good to see you. Thanks for coming on to our

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Speaker 2: show this time.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 1: It's my pleasure to be here. How are you guys?

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Speaker 3: Good? Thank you so good to see you. Well, welcome

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Speaker 3: to the show. We're happy, We're so excited to have you.

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Speaker 3: We want to talk about all things office in Glee

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Speaker 3: and Glee office and your cook and your cookbook. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I just want to know how you got your start

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Speaker 3: in acting, since you got to hear about us and

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Speaker 3: we're starting now.

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Speaker 1: Now, hold on a second, I do want to ask

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Speaker 1: a question. I want to I'm taking over this interview. Great,

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Speaker 1: we discussed Glee on the office. Yes, did you ever

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Speaker 1: discuss the office on Glee?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Did you not want ratings?

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Speaker 2: We definitely needed them after the first couple of season.

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Speaker 3: You know, that would have cost us, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Did we pay you to mention you? No?

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Speaker 3: No, no, But on your episode, our producer told us

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Speaker 3: the Glee episode we were one of your most expensive

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Speaker 3: episodes the viewing party because you had to pay for

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Speaker 3: all the rights to use the Glee clips and things.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was wondering. We had we had to

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Speaker 1: we had to pay, Yes, we.

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Speaker 3: Had to pay. Yes, you had to pay for the rights.

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Speaker 3: You had to pay the actors, you had to pay music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know I heard a story. God, I've

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Speaker 1: never told I've been I talked all the time, and

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Speaker 1: I have never told this. I believe this is true.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly how we want a story to start.

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Speaker 1: Let me, this is my recollection, okay. Was that there

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Speaker 1: was an episode of the Office and we wanted to

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Speaker 1: use John Mayer's song My Body is a Wonderland. Yeah right, okay,

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Speaker 1: I've gotten the first part right. And someone I'm not

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Speaker 1: John said no. John said no because he was afraid

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Speaker 1: And we explained, I guess pitched what the thing was,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, when you're the one that owns the thing, right,

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Speaker 2: then you can do that, right, you know. Uncle Rupert

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Speaker 1: To happen, Uncle Rupy.

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Speaker 2: Uncle Rupy was like, show me those coins.

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Speaker 1: Uncle Ruby, didn't I have? Oh my god, now this

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Speaker 1: I don't ever, Jenna, I have your information in my

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Speaker 1: My phone rang yesterday and it said Brett Dash Steve Miller.

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Speaker 1: manager of the Steve Miller band. Okay, Kevin's band in

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Speaker 1: That's another day. It was me playing Jokers and Tokers

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Speaker 1: He didn't leave a message. I have no idea why

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Speaker 1: he was calling. And I meant to google, like Steve

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just think it shows like those

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Speaker 2: Where those weird things where you're like going up against

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Speaker 2: great to be able to like reach into the recesses

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Speaker 3: Our artists said no, another artist said no, another order said.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, or it's never you know, I never found

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Speaker 2: We just found that out about ten minutes ago, because

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Speaker 1: Guys got checks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if.

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Speaker 3: We were in it.

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Speaker 3: Whoever was shown in it got a check.

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Speaker 1: Of course they did. I never thought about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got check from the office exactly.

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Speaker 3: We should have just thrown you in a clip.

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Speaker 2: Here's a I really wanted to be brought back somehow

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Speaker 3: I have to say, sometimes you recognize, like we be

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Speaker 2: It's almost a different it's a different demographic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It happens at like straight places, a brewery, sports bar. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Still, like demographic was so varied, especially on tour, like

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Speaker 1: What would he sing? Well, I guess a police song, Miller,

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Speaker 2: We know the police, clear we did.

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of fans who are musically inclined.

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Speaker 1: This is how it was explained to me. I don't

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Speaker 1: me this is the nerdiest writer's room joke of all time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: to just be like, oh, I need to go get

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00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: the mail. Let me put on snow pants and a

436
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: jacket and gloves to walk down my driveway like this

437
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: is like it's that and then come inside and shake

438
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: off the snow and take it off and yeah, warm

439
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: up from the journey. Not that I had a long driveway.

440
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: It's just an example. But I so I came to LA,

441
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: and you know, and I had been working for a

442
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: time doing this and came to oh so similarly, I

443
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 1: knew I was not I was not capable of like

444
00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: living on someone's sofa. For me, I thought the coming

445
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: out and I don't know if you guys did I,

446
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: but coming out to LA for a pilot season that

447
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: didn't feel real to me either. Like again, for me,

448
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: I was like I'm either there or I'm not. And

449
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: I so when I was ready, I moved, I moved,

450
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: I packed up the the you know. Yeah, it was

451
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: like and I I think I had said I'm going

452
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: to give it a year because I was turned down

453
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: theater work. That was the other thing. It took me

454
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: a couple of years after I had decided, because I

455
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: was I was getting work, and I was like, how

456
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: can I how can I say no? And so I

457
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: said a year. But I think really even ahead, I

458
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna, you know, a couple of years,

459
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I can, I can do this. And then a couple

460
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: of months later I met the folks on the office

461
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: and so once I was out it, it did happen

462
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: very quickly. But but I will say is that, you know,

463
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: when I get asked about like advice for young actors

464
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: or whatever, for me, I think the biggest thing. I

465
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: think the only reason that it happened for me. Then

466
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean that there there's obviously a lot of factors

467
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: and timing and luck and you know, understanding characters and

468
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: so forth. But for me, I've joked like I was

469
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: the poorest person that had the highest subscription of at

470
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: the time TiVo that existed. I watched everything, and it's

471
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: always confusing to me, actors especially, and you get it

472
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: a lot in the theater, right, which is like I

473
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: don't watch television, right, and I'm like why, asshole, Like,

474
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: if you're wanting to work in that in that medium,

475
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: you need to understand what's going on right and what's

476
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: you know what stylistically these shows. If you get an

477
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: audition for something and you have no idea stylistically what

478
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: the world is that's being created, like you're giving yourself

479
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: a disservice. So I had done that and I found

480
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: because of the British version of The Office the Office,

481
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, well this I get like,

482
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: this is this is me? And so yeah, I mean

483
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: my rep at the time I said to them that

484
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: this is the show, and I mean, looking back at

485
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: it now, the other thing is I was so young

486
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: and inexperienced that I did things at the time or

487
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: expected things at the time which were so stupid, Like

488
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: it's so like, oh, of course this is the show

489
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I should be on, right and now when I say that,

490
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: and now people know who I am and I say

491
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: that and they're like, what are you talking about? I

492
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: don't care somebody else like what do you?

493
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: A bit of delusion can really go a long way, though, because.

494
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: I think it's so valuable.

495
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do need to be that as someone who

496
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: you moved here from Minnesota, turning down actual work where

497
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: you knew that there was going to be a check

498
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: in your bank. Like you have to have the little

499
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: delusion to be like one, I'm going to go out

500
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: there because I can do this and like, oh this show, Yes,

501
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: this is the one. I gotta do it because you

502
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: the only person that believes in you were propelling you forward?

503
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: Is you, Like you're the only one who really cares, right,

504
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: and so like if you're not out there like advocating

505
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: for yourself and just a little bit of the drag

506
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: delusion of it all, right, then you know there's a

507
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: there's a line to walk there. But just a little

508
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: bit really helps.

509
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 3: We lost jaded assholes now it's very hard to find sometimes.

510
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, but I do believe that you

511
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: need it.

512
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: Worry, Jenna, I have your delusion for you whenever.

513
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. And I know you really do need

514
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: a little bit of the magical thinking. It's very important.

515
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: How that's crazy that happened so quickly for you, that's amazing. Yeah,

516
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: like when you how was it walking on? So like

517
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: the Allison Jones cat you first of all that, Yeah.

518
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Well you know who who? Who? I first met with

519
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: because again I was a totally unknown person from Minnesota.

520
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: First person I read with was Phillip Smith at Allison

521
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: Jones because she Phillis was casting associate for Alison Jones,

522
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: and so I went into a small office. M hm,

523
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: ye met her and then met Allison. But yeah, she

524
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: was the first person I met in I mean in

525
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: in that well on that show. I mean, yeah there

526
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: was a part of that show. I mean she was

527
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: casting it at the time, and then yeah, it was

528
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: her reading with me and others that everyone wants to

529
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: take credit for it now, but I at least I

530
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: believe it is possible. Ken Kuoppas, the director, was like,

531
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: she needs to be in the show, and so yeah,

532
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: that's how Phillis got cast.

533
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: Wow, how many auditions do you have to do for it?

534
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: Honestly, I I I had that pre read. I don't

535
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: remember if I No one's ever asked me that I

536
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: have thought about it when other people have been have that,

537
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: I've asked other people. I think I did that pre read.

538
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember, and I remember meeting Allison. I don't

539
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: remember if I read with her again that day, but

540
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: I only went in once.

541
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: You've got to be Shop after that.

542
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: After that, no, I went in. I went in once,

543
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: and that's when I met you know, Greg Daniels, Ben Silverman,

544
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Ken Kwappas everyone, Terry Weinberg, everybody from Revellie. I mean

545
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: it was like once thirty people. Yeah, and I read

546
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: you guys know you guys know this. I don't want

547
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: to repeat stories. Why. I was auditioning for Stanley.

548
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 2: That's right, right, and then read.

549
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: As Kevin.

550
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the in the bigger audition you read for Kevin.

551
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: I read for I read for Stanley as though I

552
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: were Kevin Ken and took a gamble again. What I

553
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: have done that now? No, I mean now, I probably

554
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: would have said, no, this other part is better for me,

555
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: and they may have said, okay, goodbye. But now at

556
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: the time I read that, and Allison chased after me,

557
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: so so I read. I read that. The second day

558
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: that I went there, I read for Stanley. I went

559
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: in reading for Stanley, and then they ran after me

560
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: and had me come back and read for Kevin or

561
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, like like the same day, like I waited around. Yeah,

562
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: crazy read for Kevin. And that's it.

563
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: It was really bold. That's really a bold choice to make.

564
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I was so sure, like I just got that character.

565
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: I just I just knew Yeah, I just saw it.

566
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah and yeah, I mean you obviously feel that

567
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: though from the other side of the table like they did,

568
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: like they yeah they got it, Yeah, yeah they did.

569
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: I mean to their credit obviously I could have a

570
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: ton of credit, but.

571
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

572
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: It's one of those things too, where it's like everyone's

573
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: just got to be lined up that day. Everyone showed

574
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: up with the right attitude. They saw you come in there,

575
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yes, get that joke. Yes, yeah,

576
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 2: that is crazy. I love Alison Jones because she also

577
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: would do things like that, yes, like I feel like

578
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: there are I have not been in a lot with

579
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: a lot of casting directors who would try different things.

580
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: Have you come back in immediately and like try this instead.

581
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: She was like the most malleable casting director, like creative

582
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: right would sit there and be like what about this?

583
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: What about that? And a lot of people out there.

584
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: Anytime I go into that office, I'd see different people.

585
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: Like normally, you know, you start like the circuit, you

586
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: see the same people they're always up against. It was

587
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: always different people in there.

588
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: Well you know, the other thing that she did she

589
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: did was and well I shouldn't say her. I I'm

590
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: sure it was partly, uh Greg Daniels, So I don't.

591
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to give credit to the wrong person here.

592
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: But they there was no test on the show because

593
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: what they what And so maybe this is Greg. I'm sorry,

594
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: this is just literally my memory. But she was a

595
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: part of it. And because we're talking about her, they

596
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: said the collective they said standing this show is not

597
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: about standing up, the opposite of Glee, right, This is

598
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: not about standing up in front of a bunch of

599
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: executives testing for studio and network executives, like trying to

600
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: make people laugh, you know, like that. It was all

601
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: about like a subtle look to the camera. So they

602
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: set it up on the office set and filmed intimately

603
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: and interactions between people and allowed that camera to be

604
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: a character, you know, because it was the documentary. Allowed

605
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: that camera be a character. They filmed that and I think,

606
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they had to give three choices

607
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I but if they're editing it, they

608
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: can adjusted how they wanted to and then sent the

609
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: choices to there. So there was not like.

610
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: A film some sort of like their version of like whatever.

611
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: That was like a screen.

612
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: Test essentially, like a screen test. Yeah, it was like

613
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: a screen test as opposed to what it typically is

614
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: for anybody listening that you don't know, like a network

615
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: test where you it's like a theater class, right where

616
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: two people are reading a scene together. That is a test.

617
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: Is a network test. You walk into a room and

618
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: you're like, Hi, this is Brian and he is reading

619
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: for Kevin. And then you have a reader and you're

620
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: just up on stage, or sometimes there's two of you

621
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: together reading and Greg. I'm sure it was Greg, but

622
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Greg and Allison were like we no, we can't do

623
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: this show like that. Ye tell you who you want?

624
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: Smart, very smart. What was it like shooting the pilot,

625
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: like shooting the first like initial episodes before anybody saw it.

626
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the first one. And I found this out

627
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: when I you know, when I when I when I

628
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: wrote the sort of the book about the story that

629
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: they that Greg kept the pilot essentially a shot for

630
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: not shot for shot, but essentially the same Americanized version

631
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: of the British pilot. But the reason is fascinating, the

632
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: reason that he did that, because I was like, why

633
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: would you do that, like, why didn't you want to

634
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: put your stand on it? You know whatever. There were

635
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: things that didn't work, and he said it had become

636
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: such a success that he felt like his job on

637
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the pilot was to create the world of dunder Mifflin

638
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: in the pilot because he felt like because they were

639
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: doing the same script and it had been such a success,

640
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to get noted to death about the script.

641
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: That's why he chose that, because he was like, what

642
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: you are you? How can you how can you argue

643
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: with this? And so that's how he sort of got

644
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: it passed through. And then we were only given five

645
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: more episodes that first year, so it was a total

646
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: of six, and you know, it was very early and

647
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, Steve's character, Michael Scott, was very mean, and

648
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: the audience response was, I mean, the fact that we

649
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: were able to come back for a season two is great.

650
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: The truth is, there are some of our best episodes,

651
00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: but diversity Day, sexual harassment, basketball episode. You know, but

652
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, because you know, at the time, we

653
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: had no laugh track. It was the camera was moving

654
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: around and there were all these things that were different.

655
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: We all knew there was sort of an uphill battle

656
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: that like, would people give it a chance? But I

657
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: knew that if they did, what was happening was something

658
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: special because partly about on our very second episode, which

659
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: was Diversity Day, we were talking about real issues in

660
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: comedy that hadn't happened since all in the family. There

661
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: was like twenty to thirty years where nobody would talk

662
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: about issues in comedy, had needed just funny, don't make

663
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: a don't talk about race, don't talk about sexuality, don't

664
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: talk about you know, and suddenly we're doing episodes like

665
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: Diversity Day, yay, witch Hunt, sexual harassment, healthcare, you know,

666
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: all of those things which I was like, oh, we

667
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: talk about that in comedy, We'll leave that to the dramas.

668
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: But I knew it was it was. It was smart

669
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: and and and important and if if people gave us

670
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: a chance, I knew we were doing something cool.

671
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: There was something about did you guys always film on

672
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: the same stage from the very beginning?

673
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: You moved? We moved, Yeah, we the first six episodes.

674
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: I think this is what it was called Culvert Studios.

675
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: It was very bizarre space off of Losienega like South,

676
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: and there was there was a single sound stage and

677
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: upstairs was production offices and so still I assume our

678
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: office of dunder Mifflin was the production offices at that

679
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: Culver studio. Wow, that's what it was.

680
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Crazy.

681
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: So we shot in their office. The soundstage was like

682
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: where we ate lunch. Like there was nothing on the soundstage.

683
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't shot money anything on the sound stage. Wow.

684
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that intimacy of like all of you

685
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: working together sort of what feels like the little engine

686
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: that could, or like you're doing these things that like

687
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: might be controversial. People in America may get it or

688
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: they may not get it. Yeah, And because of that,

689
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: it's one of those things that you feel watching all

690
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: of you together, or like was there sort of like

691
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: this instant sort of familial bond or chemistry, And if

692
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: there was, like was it because of you all believed

693
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: in the show so much?

694
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: I think there was that. I think there was also

695
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: I think there I think there were three or four things.

696
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I think I think there was that there was true

697
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: belief in the show. Two was nobody was known or

698
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: a star at all at the time. I mean, we've

699
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: going into season two. Steve Carell became like the biggest

700
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: the comedy movie star on the planet, but he was

701
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: not before nothing. So there were there was that, and

702
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: there was a lot of people who, you know, something

703
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: like this she would have to tell you, but like

704
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: Malaura Harden, who played jan had been on like fourteen

705
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: pilots and none had ever gone. You know. There was

706
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: a lot of like stories like that. And then I

707
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: think that I don't think this was I mean, I

708
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: give Alison Jones credit for everything. I don't think that

709
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: this was necessarily intentional, But I think that also there

710
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: were two things. There was the collection of us happened

711
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: to have a great diversity in terms of experience, and

712
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is, like, just to name

713
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 1: a few, like Rain Wilson and myself, we were straight

714
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: theater people who had like Coroll, Angela Kenzie, Oscar Nuniez,

715
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: improv people, BJ Novak, Craig Robinson, stand up you know, comedians,

716
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: and so we had that whole base. So everybody's kind

717
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: of learning from each other or like has a different

718
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: sort of perspective on what we're doingfind with the fact

719
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: that the way the show was shot in by and large,

720
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: especially early one set closed walls. We were all there

721
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: all the time because the camera was moving around. So

722
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: we were sixty seventy hours a week and we were

723
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: all there and so we just you know, it's like

724
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: a sports analogy of something like you know, if you're

725
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: there and you practice and you're stuck together and you're

726
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: traveling together, eventually you know exactly where everybody wants the ball,

727
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: where they want the ball delivered. How you know, oh,

728
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: if I do this, this is going to make this

729
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: is going to give this person this joke because that's

730
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: what they and that sort of stuff. You can't I mean,

731
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't teach. I know that's like so cliche,

732
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: but it was just about that, which I mean, that's

733
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: what made us expensive, right, I mean, we're there's there's

734
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: there's there, there is a number one on the call sheet,

735
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: of course, but there's kind of we're all there just.

736
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: As much, totally totally, and.

737
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: So that was I think that was a big part

738
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: of it.

739
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: How quickly once things started airing or because you sort

740
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 2: of had the reverse effect of like what you said

741
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: of normal shows, where you just kept getting bigger, where

742
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: for us, we came out the gates pretty big, and

743
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: we got really big by the second season, and then

744
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, the people started to get over us. Yeah,

745
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: for you guys, because you just moved out here, you

746
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: shoot this pilot, you guys get six episodes hoping for

747
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 2: season two. You do get a season two, six episodes

748
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: for season two, which is nuts, Like, we're not really

749
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: sure about this, but we like it, so we'll keep going.

750
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: I mean, how much had your life changed or did it,

751
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: because in those days you were getting a normal network

752
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: show was twenty two episodes. That is, you're getting six, Yes,

753
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: a life changing amount of money for people. We were

754
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: all so brokenly started and you adjust accordingly, I think

755
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: to that. You know, we were there for ten months

756
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: out of the year shooting the show. You're doing season

757
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: one six episodes, season two six episodes, but then it's

758
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: also becoming really popular. Steve Carell's becoming a gigantic star.

759
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: I mean, so season two we did six episodes and

761
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: we stopped. So let's say we started. We went back

762
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: in like July, end of July, shot through August, probably

763
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: Labor Day. We stopped and like it something like the

764
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: next week, our first episode was going to air, but

765
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: they returned our trailers and we cleaned them out and

766
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: we went home and was they was sort of like,

767
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: hope we get to do some more. And by then,

768
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: forty year old virgin, we had a good lead in

769
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: this show My Name is Earl, which you talked about

770
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: peaking early. That peaked early. We were after them and

771
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: we just started picking up and then it was it

772
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: was six and they were like, okay, you can do

773
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: four more. Okay, you can finish the thirteen. Okay, you

774
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: can do two more. I mean it was like at

775
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: some point it was like you can do two more,

776
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: you can, but at that point we were once we

777
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: took that first break, Yeah, the show was airing and

778
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: we were shooting, and the writers started thinking about others.

779
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: So we ended up doing twenty two that year. Oh wow.

780
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: But we as we had started and left, like you know,

781
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: it was probably we probably came back in October or

782
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: something like that right after after you know, October, mid

783
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: October or something when we when we were given more episodes.

784
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: But you know, then Correl wins the Golden Globe. Yeah,

785
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: and by Christmas time, that Christmas episode, which was our

786
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: first Christmas episode, got like over ten million viewers, and

787
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 1: then by February we were getting more than My Name

788
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: is Earle in the ratings at a half hour time slot,

789
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: and so when it was like all at February, the

790
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: network was finally like, okay, you can finish twenty two episodes,

791
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: like we'll give you the rest of the order within

792
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: a week or two. They ordered twenty two for the

793
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: next year, so it was like right then it was oh, okay,

794
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: And that's when things changed. Yeah, Like that's when like, oh,

795
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna be around for a while.

796
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: What a crazy work environment, a trickle of episodes two more,

797
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: one more. I don't under like, how does that feel

798
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: being on the side of what were the writers prepared?

799
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: Because you were saying the writers were already thinking ahead,

800
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: but like that's crazy, like whip up ten more.

801
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but I think the writing room was small,

802
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: but it was just like the biggest all star writing staff.

803
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: And I mean that like like in terms of like

804
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: future accomplishments. I mean it's Mindy Kaling, it's bj Novak,

805
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: it's Paul Lieberstein, it's Jensilata, it's Lee Eisenberg and Jean Stepnitzky.

806
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Like it's literally like now everyone like either running shows

807
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: or writing movies or like whatever, and I'm sure I'm

808
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: apologies for whoever I just missed in that short list,

809
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: but it was small, right because they'd ordered six so

810
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: I think that you know, there were maybe where they

811
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: were like six writers. I think even Paul Lieberstein was

812
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: not a well maybe that was the first season. So anyway,

813
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: it yeah, it was, it was, it was. It was crazy.

814
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, so we finished by the way,

815
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: we finished those twenty two episodes that we you know,

816
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: we had just been given the you know, ability to

817
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: do them, and then went back to recharge to do

818
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: season three, and before we started shooting season three that

819
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: season two that happened like that we won the Emmy four. So,

820
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is all of it. It's just crazy,

821
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: like not looking back on it, like how did this happen?

822
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: I feel like the theater training was probably good for

823
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: some of that too. You're just like you're just rolling

824
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: with it. You're on set, do the work.

825
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: But adults, you guys, are like, oh maybe true, more

826
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 3: like maybe i'll pay my rent, Like we really kids,

827
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They're like, we're like how

828
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: does this shit work? Like we get greenlit? What does

829
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: that mean? Do we get to do more. Yay, that's fun.

830
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 3: But like these were all established adults at the time, Like, yeah,

831
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: sort of, I.

832
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Know that thirty is kind of an adul I was thirty, Wow,

833
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Like I was young young? Yeah, so young, that's young.

834
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: I mean was yeah, no, that's a point.

835
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: But I can't remember exactly how much older I was

836
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: Jenno's you know, close to that.

837
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: Okay, that's I.

838
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Mean, there was a group of us. I mean I

839
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: looked older, and there was like I mean, I don't

840
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: want to give anybody's age away or whatever, but well

841
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: not even age, just experience, you know, like Melaura Harden,

842
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: like she had been working since a child and had

843
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, done a ton of things. Yes, you know,

844
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: correl with Second City and The Daily Show and stuff

845
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: like that, like you know, he was established.

846
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's fair. That's fair. No, you were young, yeah,

847
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: I mean wow, that's like some of our guys were

848
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 3: older when when you started. So that's yeah, okay, fair enough.

849
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 3: I take it back, I take it back. Okay. Before

850
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: we go, we have a couple questions. It's almost July fourth.

851
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: It's my favorite time of the year because there's barbecues

852
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: and you just came out with your second barbecue cookbook. Yeah,

853
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: so you're you're a barbecue connoisseur. Tell us about your

854
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: new book.

855
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: All right, Well, first I have to ask you guys

856
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: a question, because you're in southern California. What is if

857
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: someone says to you this came up this morning, by

858
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: the way, That's why I question. If someone says, hey,

859
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: you want to come over for a barbecue, what does

860
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: that mean?

861
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a couple of friends with smokers, smokers

862
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: at their houses.

863
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so that would be they're going to smoke something.

864
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: Okay, ribs, maybe hot dogs and hamburgers. That's kind of

865
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: what I'm Okay.

866
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, same. It depends. If I'm in California, That's what

867
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm expecting. If I'm in Texas, where I'm originally from,

868
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a different answer. What is text

869
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 2: would that answer be? That would be more of the

870
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: the smoked things someone someone definitely has a smoker, probably,

871
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: but there's also going to be like trement as well,

872
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: you know, like.

873
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

874
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Bread. It's a different different So.

875
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, being from Georgia, that's what

876
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: I would say. Somebody told me today they were like

877
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm from North this is a breast interview. I had.

878
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: Lovely lady, Absolutely, at least be nice. I'm not saying

879
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: anything mean about you. She said, what does it mean?

880
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: She said, I'm gonna ask you a personal question. If

881
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: I said, come over to my house and have a

882
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: barbe and have a barbecue with me, what does that mean.

883
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: I paused for a while because she said personal question.

884
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: That put my brain somewhere else. Aside from that, I said,

885
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I said, well, like like doing a slow cooked smoking something.

886
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, okay. She said, I went out

887
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: to California and everyone said a barbecue was Hamberg's and

888
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: hot dogs, and I was like, that's fairy. She said,

889
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: I'm from in North Carolina. If you invite me over

890
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: for a barbecue, it has to be a whole hog.

891
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: I was like damn.

892
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm definitely that's exactly what I said. Like,

893
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle. I agree, Yeah, barbecue is not

894
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: Hamburgers and hot dogs. But yeah, that's funny. So I'm

895
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: from Georgia and I, as we've talked about, I did

896
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: theater for a long time and I worked a number

897
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: of times with a French director and we would have

898
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: rehearsals during the day and then this is during the

899
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: rehearsal process. Rehearsal during the day, then they would take

900
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: a dinner break. Their dinner break was two and a

901
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: half hours yea. And then they would have night rehearsals damn.

902
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are we doing like two

903
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: and a half hours, Like let's get this done.

904
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

905
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: It was because he would go and cook. He would

906
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: go home and he would wine and he would cook,

907
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: and I mean like cook, like hyao, cook, like we're

908
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: going to make dinner. And he taught me in a

909
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: way or what it did for him, which then I

910
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: started to buy into, which was like I am doing

911
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: an activity that I enjoy and it is making the

912
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: work go away. So then when I returned to it,

913
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: I actually am fresh. I'm starting anew as opposed to

914
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: keep thinking about it over this period of time. And

915
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: so I started doing that a little bit. And then

916
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: when I moved to California again because of the way

917
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: you can do it all the time I do. I grill,

918
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: which I won't call barbecue, but I grill and Q

919
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: on the weekends and stuff. I travel a ton, but

920
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: if I'm home like four or five nights a week,

921
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm out at the grill. I enjoy it. It

922
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: makes my mind two things, golf and cooking specifically at

923
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: a grill or barbecue. Those things make my mind clear

924
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: of work stuff, and I'm able to just focus on

925
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: the activity at hand. So it is. And so I

926
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you ever heard, but

927
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: there was an incident with me and chili a few

928
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: years ago on UH on the office there was a

929
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: there was a spillage that happened. So I had a

930
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: chili cookbook, and the chili cook book it was fun.

931
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: I kind of got into the culture of that, but

932
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: this was this was really me. I mean, this is

933
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: a passion of mine, something that I really enjoy. So

934
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: I've been really excited about the response to it so far.

935
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: There's over one hundred recipes in there.

936
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: That's crazy that so many recipes.

937
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: It is a lot. But part of it also is

938
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: I feel like particularly slow cooking, yes, is intimidating for

939
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: people because they're like, I'm gonna do this for six

940
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: hours and if it turns out shitty, then what do

941
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: I got? Like?

942
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah?

943
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Thanks? So there there is some like tips that are like, look,

944
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: let's not let this intimidate you. Let's start with this.

945
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: Let's try this for someone like me. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

946
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: I wrote it for you.

947
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: Thank you.

948
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: Hey, seriously good barbecue cookbook.

949
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: Oh god, I get it, go get it. It just makes

950
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: me so hungry. Do you have favorite barbecue places in Texas?

951
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: Well? I part of the inspiration for the book actually

952
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: was I saw a show during the pandemic about Rodney Scott's.

953
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: Oddly the we we're just talking about Rodney Scott's Whole

954
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: Hog Barbecue in Charleston, South Carolina, and I drove and

955
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: I flew back into the South and I had a

956
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: long drive because I hadn't seen my parents during the

957
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: pandemic in like eight or nine months. And I took

958
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: a hundreds of mile detour out of my way to

959
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: go to this spot in Charleston, which was partly the

960
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: like I was thinking about doing this, this cookbook and

961
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: wanted to go there and experience his So Texas. You know,

962
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: Dallas is a little bit of a different breed there,

963
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: which is where I spent most of my time. I

964
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: couldn't name for you specifically. Part of the issue is

965
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: like the and I talk about this in the cookbook.

966
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: A lot of the let's just call them larger chain

967
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: barbecue places. When you leave, what they want you to

968
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: say is, isn't that sauce really great? But it's about

969
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: the sauce. So they take meat and they just drown

970
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: it in sauce and it's about the sauce. And that's

971
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: the other thing that I talk about in this is

972
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: like for me, biggest tip by responsibly raised meat from

973
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: responsible sustainable farms. Yes, I promise you. One it's the

974
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: right thing to do, and two it just tastes better.

975
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: And if you are buying high quality sourced meat, it

976
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: is going to taste better. You're going to feel better

977
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: about it. But more you just need some rubs, some spices.

978
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: You don't need to drown it in sauce. It doesn't

979
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: have to be about sauce. So that's something else we

980
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: talk about, all right.

981
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: Also, not a lot of great barbecue in LA, so

982
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: it might have to make it.

983
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: Now, there's only a handful, all right. Before we let

984
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: you go, Ryan, we usually ask at the end of

985
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: this with people who are involved with glee, what is

986
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: the feeling that glee he leaves you with? So I'm

987
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: going to ask you, what is the feeling that the

988
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: Office leaves you with.

989
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: Overwhelming gratitude? And for me now, the greatest gift that

990
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: the Office gave me is and we were talking about

991
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: fans earlier, but the Office gave people so much comfort

992
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: in oftentimes difficult times. People serving in the military, people

993
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: undergoing a family crisis of one or the other, going

994
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: through a difficult medical procedure in the hospital, very sick,

995
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: and the Office brought them comfort. I like to think

996
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: in part because of what you talked about before, Kevin,

997
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: they could see the love and the care between the

998
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: characters that was happening and the stories that we were telling,

999
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: and that sometimes it was mean and sometimes it wasn't pc,

1000
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: but there was ultimately a feeling of love. And the

1001
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: last line of the show is of the Office that

1002
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: was spoken, is there's beauty and ordinary things. Isn't that

1003
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: kind of the point That celebration of of regular people,

1004
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: if I'm kind in myself, included regular looking people who

1005
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: have small victories that you deserve to be celebrated. And

1006
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm I'm grateful for that message and

1007
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: being a part of that and and and truly sharing.

1008
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 3: Joy with people Yeah, it feels like that absolutely resonated

1009
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 3: with the lot of your fans, so it still does.

1010
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Brian keeps on going. Thank you so much

1011
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: for being with us.

1012
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 3: Br so good to see you, and thank you for

1013
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 3: you to see you guys.

1014
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: Thank you on the back, good luck, Thank.

1015
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: You, go get seriously good barbecue cookbook. It's out.

1016
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: We love you.

1017
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: Now, love you guys. Thank you so much.

1018
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: So time to see you soon. Yes, sounds good, isn't

1019
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: you wonderful?

1020
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 3: He's the best. He's literally the best. It's so interesting

1021
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: to hear there's so many similar similarities, I guess in

1022
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 3: the way that they felt about like the chemistry and

1023
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: the care and the love for the show and that

1024
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 3: making it so special and elevating it to the point

1025
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 3: where like even what he said about like what the

1026
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 3: office leaves him with, like just being really special for

1027
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: the fans and for just what he hopes for. I

1028
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 3: don't know, I just felt like very similar in a

1029
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: lot of ways.

1030
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: Very similar, and it was like, these are two shows

1031
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: that couldn't be more different in a number of ways.

1032
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: They're so different. But yeah, the experience on set and

1033
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: the experience of how it makes the fans feel feels

1034
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: very familiar and having been around them, and I've said

1035
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: it before and I'll say it again, was such a

1036
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: masterclass for me, obviously in acting and being on a set,

1037
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: but also how to treat people on a set. They

1038
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: were all so kind, so good to me, and going

1039
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: into Glee, it really felt like being able to have

1040
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 2: spent the week with them was the best training ground

1041
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: I could have asked for. And you could feel that

1042
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 2: love between them. It was palpable and just how much

1043
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: they cared about what they were doing and how good

1044
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: they were, and you see it in every single episode

1045
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: Special Pressure. Group of people so happy that Brian came

1046
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: on to talk to us. We get to go on

1047
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: his show, like we said, which is an incredible show.

1048
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: You should also go listen to that, Go by Brian's book,

1049
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: Seriously Good Barbecue Cookbook, which is out now. And you know,

1050
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 2: maybe go watch the office episode that I'm in called

1051
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: Launch Party. You know, whatever you want, I won't force you,

1052
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: but it's a good time and you get to see

1053
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: seventeen year old me with highlights, So enjoy. That's a

1054
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: good time.

1055
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, see you next time.

1056
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: That's what you really missed. Thanks for listening and follow

1057
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