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Speaker 1: What up, bright Side besties, Hello Sunshine. Today on the

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Speaker 1: bright Side, we're closing out National Poetry Months with poet

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Speaker 1: Laureate Ada Lemon, and we're talking all about awe and wonder.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, April twenty sixth. I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 2: And it's a girl simone. Boys, this is the bright

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Speaker 2: Side from Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Simone. We always save our chit chat for on air,

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Speaker 1: So I don't even know what's going on in your life?

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: So? I was hanging out with my mom yesterday and

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Speaker 2: she was like, so I listened to a few of

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Speaker 2: the recently.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, oh no, no, no, no, it was all good.

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Speaker 3: She's like, it's really good.

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Speaker 2: She was like, so you and Danielle have like a

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Speaker 2: really great rapport and I was like yeah, and she's like,

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Speaker 2: is that real?

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Speaker 3: This is one of our most asked questions.

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Speaker 1: Everybody asked me that too. All my friends are like,

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Speaker 1: you guys sound like you really like each other?

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Speaker 3: Do you really like her? I know, I'm like, should

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Speaker 3: I not like her? At this point?

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. Yes, it's real, Yes we are

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Speaker 2: really friends.

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Speaker 1: Should we stage a fake fight?

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Speaker 2: I honestly think maybe we should just for publicity.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. Let's get into the drums. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I actually need your advice on something before we jump in.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm honored that you're asking me for advice.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna put myself on blast.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from my ex boyfriend like two

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Speaker 1: days ago.

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Speaker 3: Is this the one that I know about?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: The one before?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I have less context on him, but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: He was a bad man and he texted me and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want to grab a coffee or a meal?

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Speaker 1: And I've told him in the past to please stop

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Speaker 1: contacting me. Do I block him now?

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Speaker 3: Number one? Do you want to meet with him?

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Speaker 1: Nah? Actually, I'm gonna say, hell nah?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to have any contact with him whatsoever?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. Then yeah, block, just block blocked?

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Speaker 1: You know that?

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Speaker 2: Black.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could have like a voice note of

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Speaker 1: you saying that if he texted.

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Speaker 2: Me, I'll just text it to him from my random

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Speaker 2: three oh five number.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you could just give him a line

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Speaker 2: that's like, hey, I don't really want to be in touch, but.

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Speaker 1: I already did that.

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Speaker 3: You already did that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, black, I think maybe we should get into the show.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we should move on.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when I say the term gorpcore, what does

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Speaker 2: that mean to you, Danielle, what comes to mind?

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Speaker 1: I think, uh, gore texts, So I think like lots

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Speaker 1: of police strings and crisscross stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hot hot, You're very hot, nor face. Yes, yes, that

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Speaker 2: is exactly what gorpcore is. I'm super into gorpcore, always

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Speaker 2: have been. I've been doing it before it was cool,

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Speaker 2: before it was gorpcore. But it's basically the next evolution

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Speaker 2: of ath leisure where what Yeah, it's it's the outdoors

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Speaker 2: y aesthetic like you said the Arii, the north Face,

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Speaker 2: the Patagucci, but people are wearing it as street wear.

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Speaker 1: So did you just say Padagucci?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Padagucci, like the.

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Speaker 1: Gucci, Patagonias or collab.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just like, in like our world, in like

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Speaker 2: the outdoorsy girl world, we say Padagucci.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why. It's like when people.

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Speaker 2: Say tarje Oh, oh gotcha. You know, it's just a

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Speaker 2: fun little thing that we do.

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Speaker 1: I'm so on the outside of this world.

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Speaker 2: So, actually, uh, Belahedide, Kendall Jenner have been wearing this

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Speaker 2: style lately, but of course it's been around forever.

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Speaker 3: It's all over TikTok. That's really where it's blowing up.

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Speaker 2: You know why I love this trend because it's not

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Speaker 2: about putting on this artificial layer of beauty, right, It's

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Speaker 2: about stripping it all away. It's not about wearing a

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Speaker 2: ton of makeup. It's about coming as you are in comfortable,

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Speaker 1: You're wearing cargo capris today, are those gorp Core?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I leaned into the gorp cord today. I also

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Speaker 2: have this really crinkly jacket.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's yellow puffer by the way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so do you already own this stuff and you

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Speaker 1: to walk around in the world.

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, you know how people were wearing Lululemon

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Speaker 3: I think Danielle is wearing Lululemon.

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Speaker 2: See, this is just like this is this is ath

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Speaker 2: leisure adjacent, you know, so choogee, we're all chewgy girl.

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Speaker 2: But the other layer to this for me is that

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Speaker 2: gorpcore is more than just like a silly fashion trend.

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Speaker 2: It's a lifestyle. It means you're always dressed for adventure

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Speaker 2: or nature therapy. And you know what's really cool. Since

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Speaker 2: the pandemic, there have been a rise in communities focused

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Speaker 2: on bringing women and women of color together outdoors. So

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Speaker 2: one that comes to mind is called Hike Clerb. They

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Speaker 2: host hike group hikes and activities. Another one clurb It's

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Speaker 2: Cute Right Outdoor Afro, which is all about reconnecting black

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Speaker 2: folks to the land through fishing kayaking. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's beautiful, and I also think about my own community.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have a gaggle of GORP girls that

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Speaker 2: I go camping with. Some of my best memories are

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Speaker 2: with them in the wilderness in Canada or the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 1: The ggg's the GGG Gaggle of GORP Girls.

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Speaker 3: It's the triple G. Hmmm, I'm all about the GORP

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Speaker 3: core lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: You are really bringing something new to my life. I

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Speaker 1: had no idea that gorpecore existed. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'm interested.

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Speaker 3: To be quite.

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Speaker 2: Honest, don't speak too soon, because I have brought you

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Speaker 2: actually my favorite GORP recipe. So GORP stands for good

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Speaker 2: old raisins and peanuts. It's essentially trail mix. But I

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Speaker 2: have what I think is the best recipe for gorp.

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Speaker 1: You've given me so many gifts this week, it's not

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Speaker 1: really a good Wait. Is there Captain Crunch in there? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so here I love Captain Crunch.

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Speaker 2: Here is the recipe for the best gorp in the world.

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Speaker 2: It is Captain Crunch, almonds, crasins, and reci's pieces.

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Speaker 1: Can I have some?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but make sure that you get one of the bite.

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Speaker 1: This is freaking delicious. I want to curse, right, God,

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Speaker 1: it's it's This is better than puppy chow.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to end the show because we're

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Speaker 1: eating I know, right, Okay, So you are a gorpe

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Speaker 1: girl living your most authentic life. Yes, This article from

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Speaker 1: Glamour by Sophia Bush really had me feeling away because

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Speaker 1: she's truly living her authentic life now. One year after

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Speaker 1: a picture perfect wedding turned very public divorce, Sophia Bush

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Speaker 1: found herself in a new relationship with a woman, and

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Speaker 1: it was with famed soccer star Ashlyn Harris, and the

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Speaker 1: internet went wild. Of course, there were rumors because Ashland

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Speaker 1: was also a famous soccer player, and Sophia Bush has

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Speaker 1: not spoken out about it until now. She wrote an

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Speaker 1: essay for Glas in her own words, addressing everything for

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Speaker 1: the first time. And the reason I'm bringing this up

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Speaker 1: is I thought it was really moving. She mentions joy

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Speaker 1: joy and has made a few decisions like doing a

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Speaker 1: play in London last year, thinking it would jumpstart this joy.

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Speaker 1: You know how we do that when we're not happy.

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Speaker 1: We try all these things to jumpstart the joy, and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately it's just an inside job. And she wrote, I

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Speaker 1: have real joy. It took me forty one years to

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Speaker 1: get here. I feel like I can finally breathe.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I think women just want to exhale. We hold so

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Speaker 1: much in We hold guilt, shame, past hurts, betrayals, lost, divorce,

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Speaker 1: like feelings of all of our family, our parents, our kids,

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Speaker 1: There's been so much judgment around her relationship and how

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Speaker 1: she chose to live her life. That just made me

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Speaker 1: happy to read that she was exhaling. I think we

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Speaker 1: all want permission to exhale.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are going through this

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Speaker 2: internally or in a quiet way, right like getting to

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Speaker 2: their true self and living out their truest life and identity.

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Speaker 2: But she had to do it in such a public forum,

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Speaker 2: and from the outside looking in, it got messy, and

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Speaker 1: I like that you use the word messy because I

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Speaker 1: think we all look at the mess in life and

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Speaker 1: it scares us. But when we think about books or

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Speaker 1: it oftentimes is the mess of life because we're all

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Speaker 1: looking for that permission to live in our mess too.

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Speaker 1: And so I like that she threw away the rules.

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Speaker 1: She's just living in the mess.

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Speaker 3: We got to live in the mess. It's the only

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are not going to stage a fake fight

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Speaker 1: at least right now, but there is a celebrity that

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Speaker 1: that Sidney Sweeney was secretly dating her anyone but you

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Speaker 1: Everyone believed it. It was super scandalous because she was

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Speaker 1: to promote the film. Sidney and her fiance were producers

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Speaker 2: That is a supportive fiance, right there, someone who is

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Speaker 2: their costar on the Today Show, on all these public outings.

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Speaker 2: I mean, both of them are very comfortable in their relationship.

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Speaker 2: But this makes me think about all the times when

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about twenty twenty four. I feel like

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: And then also Rachel Bilson and that guy Nick Faiel

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Speaker 1: I think we forget it's the entertainment business. Yeah, that business, and.

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Speaker 2: A lot of times both of these people are profiting

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Speaker 2: any gorp tastic plans for the weekend? What's the opposite

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Speaker 2: all wee get bed rot? No, I'm interviewing Chaz Ebert,

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Speaker 3: Were they offended?

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Speaker 1: I know they love me and I love them, and

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Speaker 1: And I really need new workout clothes. I am committed

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Speaker 2: This is a weekend where I think I have no plans,

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Speaker 1: Awesome, you're gonna jump in the pool?

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Speaker 1: Not cuddle with Michael? What you don't do that?

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Speaker 2: I cuddle, but I I need to clear up some misinformation.

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Speaker 2: I do cuddle, but I don't what you said something

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Speaker 1: My definition of love is like you don't want to

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Speaker 2: I think that sounds unhealthy to me. I'm not an expert,

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Speaker 2: After the break, we're bringing poetry off the shelf and

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Speaker 3: And we're back.

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Speaker 2: April is National Poetry Month, and our next guest has

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Speaker 1: Ada Le Moon is the twenty fourth Poet Laureate of

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Speaker 1: If that's not cool enough, later this year, NASA is

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Speaker 2: Danielle, you know it's fitting because AIDA's poetry explores the

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Speaker 2: awe inspiring beauty and power of nature and our complex

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Speaker 1: Yep, And we asked Ada on the show to talk

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Ada, You have achieved the highest honors in your field.

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Speaker 1: One of your poems is actually going to space.

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Speaker 3: So cool.

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Speaker 1: It's very cool. But also I don't think very many

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Speaker 4: In some way.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I think it was a joke in my

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Speaker 5: It wasn't really until I was in high school that

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Speaker 5: No one can say, oh, you know, you're not right

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Speaker 1: That's such an incredible feeling to lock in like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned writing. I'm curious about who you read. Who

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I still remember where I was in I worked

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Speaker 5: Remember where I was when I was reading Lucill Clifton,

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Speaker 5: You know, you and me, You and me, plants, we

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Speaker 2: Creative juices there are just infectious in New York City.

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Speaker 2: But as we were talking about the trees I realize

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Speaker 4: Listen. It sneaks up on you.

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Speaker 3: It reallyaks up on you.

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Speaker 5: I have a bird's nest right now being built on

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Speaker 4: So you know you're in for a beautiful ride. My friend,

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I find myself wanting to learn more about you as

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Speaker 5: You know, I grew up in a rural space, and

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Speaker 5: And that was also where I felt like I belonged

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Speaker 1: Has your writing always been focused on the natural world

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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny because when I lived in New

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Speaker 2: Yes? And no.

444
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Speaker 5: I think that poetry is my most natural language. You know,

445
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 5: I think that's not for everyone. It's not everyone's, you know,

446
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 5: preferred way of communicating. But for me, it leaves room

447
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 5: for all of the different mysteries and wonders of nature,

448
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 5: and in some ways it becomes more of a mirror,

449
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 5: and there's no summing up. You know, in a poem

450
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: there is a lot of looking and deep attention, and

451
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 5: that attention is a way of loving. And so I

452
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 5: think that for me makes the most sense with poetry

453
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 5: as the preferred form.

454
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Speaker 1: There is no summing up. I like that so much.

455
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Speaker 1: We're always trying to sum.

456
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Speaker 4: Up, Yeah, to our detriment.

457
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Speaker 1: I think, has there ever been a natural phenomenon that

458
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Speaker 1: you've tried to write about but haven't quite been able

459
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,959
Speaker 1: to capture in words?

460
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Speaker 4: What a beautiful question.

461
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: I've written about the wildfires in California, but I wrote

462
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 5: about it from a distance because even though my family

463
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 5: was all there, I was in Kentucky. If something is

464
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 5: firsthand and it feels very intense, I have to get

465
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 5: more distance from it. So the wildfires were one that

466
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: I could write about, but only because of the distance.

467
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 5: And I think that one of the things that I

468
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 5: struggle with the most in terms of the natural world is,

469
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 5: you know, the human impact. I write about it, but

470
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 5: I struggle with it each time I do.

471
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about AWE for a moment. It's

472
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: been really cool to witness the scientific research on this

473
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Speaker 2: topic and how it's helping us articulate the healing properties

474
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: of awe in nature. What does awe mean to you?

475
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Speaker 3: Ada?

476
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I love that question because I do

477
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 5: feel like a lot of people will talk about hope

478
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 5: or resilience. You know, we use the word resilience a lot.

479
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 5: We have to be so resilient and courage and bravery

480
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 5: and all those beautiful words. But when I can't feel

481
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: any of those things, I can still feel all. It's

482
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: still the thing that I can turn on in myself,

483
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 5: and I can get there simply by walking into the backyard.

484
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 5: It doesn't even have to be the you know, huge

485
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 5: expanse of the intentional nature of national parks. You know,

486
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 5: it can be just a tree and just the bird's

487
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 5: nest that's being built right now on the gutters. You know,

488
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: I don't know there's I can experience it very accidentally,

489
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 5: and that feels really.

490
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: Special to me.

491
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Speaker 5: So it's one of my most favorite emotions because it

492
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 5: gets me out of myself. It reminds me that to

493
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: be in wonder is to be alive.

494
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Speaker 2: Have you noticed whenever she opens her mouth a poem

495
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: just falls out. It's crazy, It's crazy. That was so

496
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: beautiful when was the last time that you experienced.

497
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 5: Ah, It was just now. I went to take my

498
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: dog out right before we all met for this interview,

499
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 5: and as I was doing so, all of these new

500
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 5: plants have been coming up. And I just planted them

501
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 5: in November, so they were from bulbs, and I've never

502
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 5: planted them before. And they are these beautiful, big purple onions,

503
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 5: and I'm watching them grow and they're so wild and gorgeous,

504
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 5: and I just, you know, was sitting there looking at them,

505
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 5: and I felt this sense of like how the Earth

506
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 5: makes something is incredible to me.

507
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: And I think when I do an interview, I try

508
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: to show up as present and real as possible. And

509
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: when I'm going through hard things in my life, it's

510
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: hard for me to show up at my job the

511
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: way i'd like to. And when I heard you just

512
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: talk about AH, I couldn't help but think what happens

513
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: when you're numb? What happens when the words aren't flowing

514
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: out of you. Have you gone through periods of your

515
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: life like that?

516
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? And I think that.

517
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 5: More dangerous for me than sadness or sorrow or anxiety

518
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 5: or depression is the numbness, Because I can sustain it.

519
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: I can sustain a numbness for much longer than I

520
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 5: can any of those other hard things. And so what

521
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: happens to me I start to notice that I haven't

522
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 5: seen anything. I haven't witnessed anything. I don't know if

523
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 5: you've ever had those moments when you're going through something

524
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 5: very difficult, maybe grief rage, and you've gone through the

525
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 5: whole day and you're like, wait, what happened today? I

526
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 5: don't know if I could actually go through what happened.

527
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 5: And so for me, the way that is back, the

528
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: way that I guess call myself back to myself is

529
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: to notice, is to pay attention, is to look outside

530
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 5: of the brain, to look outside of the body. Even

531
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 5: you know, meditations will often say, oh, return to the body,

532
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 5: return to the breath.

533
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: But when you're really numb, or when you're feeling rageful,

534
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 4: or if you're feeling super sorrowful, or maybe your body

535
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: is in pain, it's not the safest place to be.

536
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: And so I have to find the meditations outside of

537
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 4: the self. And those can just be looking at leaves,

538
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 4: looking at trees, looking at the patterns that the leaves

539
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: make on the ground, and then I can think Okay,

540
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 4: I am a human animal and there are so many

541
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 4: of us on this planet doing our thing, and I

542
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: belong to something larger. And the thing I belong to

543
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: is the earth. And for now that's enough, and let's

544
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: not numb out to this beauty of being alive.

545
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Speaker 1: That reminds me so much of what Cheryl Strade said

546
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: in her book Wild that being in raw, untamed nature

547
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: actually made her feel safer in the world. How does

548
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: being alone in nature make you feel empowered?

549
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

550
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: How do you bring the lion out or the lioness? Should?

551
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: I say?

552
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

553
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: I think the big part for me is that it

554
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 5: makes me feel as if all of this has a purpose,

555
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 5: that all of this is a way of moving forward.

556
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 5: Right that you look and you find inspiration from what's

557
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: around you. You think, oh, you know, that tree went

558
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 5: through winter. It went through winter, it lost everything, it

559
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: lost all of its leaves, it looked nearly dead, and

560
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 5: now it's coming back again. And I think it's not

561
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 5: just the metaphor of nature, but also the sense said, oh, right, this.

562
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: Is me too.

563
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: You know that I am I am nature and that

564
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 5: as nature continues, I will also continue. And I think

565
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: that's really important because I think it's very easy to

566
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 5: think that we are only going through what we're going

567
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 5: through and no one else has ever gone through it before.

568
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 5: And I've been there, I've thought, oh, no one has

569
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: had this kind of pain, or no one you know.

570
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Every time my heart's broken, I'm like, no one has

571
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: ever felt this before.

572
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: Nothing, nothing has, no one has experiences. And then of

573
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 5: course you think, oh, wait, no everyone has. And there's

574
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: power in that, even if you're not connected to others

575
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: in that moment, just the recognition that others have gone

576
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 5: through it.

577
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: Talk to us about this National Parks project. It's called

578
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Speaker 1: You Are Here. It sounds so exciting.

579
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: Thank you.

580
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 5: I'm very excited about it. We're going to visit seven

581
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 5: different National parks and we're putting in these beautiful poetic

582
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: installations into these different parks, of really.

583
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 4: Iconic, beautiful poems.

584
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 5: And it's my way of hoping that visitors will come

585
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: and look at these beautiful spaces and landscapes and then

586
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 5: read the poem that has been paired with that place,

587
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 5: and that that reading might deepen their experience to the

588
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 5: natural world in that moment and might allow them to

589
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: pay closer attention and be more present.

590
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: Do you have a national park that has a special

591
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: sweet spot in your heart.

592
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 4: I'm really excited for all of them, but I'm definitely

593
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: excited for Cape Cod. The National Seashore there has been

594
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 4: really important to me. And then also, I mean the

595
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: red Woods. I just you know, I can't wait. I

596
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: cannot wait to see them again. And you know, the

597
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: writer whose poem I chose to put in the red

598
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: Woods is his name is Francisco X R. Lacon and

599
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 4: he wrote in Spanish and in Nawa.

600
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: And I remember not even knowing that there was a

601
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 5: native language of Mexico, and now I know there's so

602
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: many indigenous languages of Mexico, where my paternal grandfather's from.

603
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 5: He's since passed away, Francisco X R. Lacon, but it's

604
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: his poem that's going into the Redwoods, and it feels

605
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: very it feels very moving to bring his words into

606
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 5: one of the most sort of foundational natural spaces that

607
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 5: I can think of.

608
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: Redwoods are so majestic.

609
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time there camping out under

610
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: the redwoods, and there's nothing quite like it. Just feeling small,

611
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: I think that's part of awe too.

612
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 5: I absolutely agree it's feeling like a part of something,

613
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 5: but also feeling like, oh, I am nothing. Yeah, you know,

614
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: And that seems like a strange thing to say, but

615
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: we always center ourselves. Everything is all about us, even

616
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: when we're being our most generous selves. And you get

617
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 5: out into those redwoods or you see the ocean or

618
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 5: whatever it is, and you think, oh, none of this

619
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: is about me. I'm just a part of this. And

620
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: there's peace in that, you know. I love being sort

621
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: of swallowed whole by the natural world in some ways,

622
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 5: and that idea of disappearing into the greatness of it all.

623
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Speaker 2: As I've listened to you speak throughout this interview, I've

624
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: been struck by your natural gift with language but also

625
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: with performing. And I'm curious which came first. Was it

626
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: your skill for poetry or performance.

627
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 5: Ah, that's an interesting question. I think that I've always

628
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 5: loved language first, because as much as I loved performing,

629
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 5: when I was doing theater that was wonderful, it never

630
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: felt fully like me. And so it wasn't until I

631
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 5: found language that I could find, Oh, this is me.

632
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 5: And I always think of it as the voice underneath

633
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 5: the voice, right, And I always think my poetic self

634
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 5: is the truest self, and so I think language first.

635
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: What can we do to get in touch with our

636
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: poetic selves? Can you leave us with a few practical

637
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: tips for our bright sideties?

638
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: That voice under the voice?

639
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I have a great prompt.

640
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: If you want one, I would love it. Yeah.

641
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 5: One of the things that I think about, especially if

642
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 5: you are in tune to the natural world, is to

643
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 5: think about something in nature that you've always been interested in,

644
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 5: you know, just curious, like whether it's in an urban

645
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 5: space and how maybe the ivy starts to corrode bricks,

646
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 5: or the way the drainage ditch fills up really fast

647
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 5: when it rains, or you know whatever. It is just

648
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: something and it can be beautiful, it can be interesting,

649
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 5: it can be harmful, but something that you've always been

650
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 5: curious about. And then ask yourself why you curious? What

651
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 5: does it remind you about in your own life moments

652
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: that relate to that image that you have that Oh right,

653
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 5: that is why I like a wildfire. Oh that is

654
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: why I relate to the desert and it's great expanse,

655
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: you know. That is why when the storm comes it

656
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 5: feels like me. And if you can start to think

657
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 5: of those connections. You can build a poem from that,

658
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: right there.

659
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Speaker 3: I love that.

660
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Speaker 2: I love that we always end our show with thoughtful

661
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: prompt So that's a beautiful one.

662
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm so glad good.

663
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you can read us your poem how

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Speaker 1: to Triumph Like a Girl. Yeah, of course i'd be

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Speaker 1: happy to aida. We love that poem, how to Triumph

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Speaker 1: Like a Girl. I like the Lady Horse's best. How

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Speaker 1: they make it all look easy, like running forty miles

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Speaker 1: per hour is as fun as taking a nap or grass.

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Speaker 1: I like their lady horse swagger after winning. Ears up, girls,

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Speaker 1: ears up. But mainly, let's be honest, I like that

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Speaker 1: they're ladies, as if this big, dangerous animal is also

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Speaker 1: a part of me, that's somewhere inside the delicate skin

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Speaker 1: of my body. They're pumps, an eight pound female horseheart,

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Speaker 1: giant with power.

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Speaker 6: Heavy with blood. Don't you want to believe it? Don't

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Speaker 6: you want to lift my shirt and see the huge,

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Speaker 6: beating genius machine that thinks, no, it knows, it's going

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Speaker 6: to come in first.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Ada, Ada, thank you, thank you you.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help it think that when you were talking

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Speaker 1: about your paternal grandfather, the namely moan. You're wearing lemon.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing yellow, which is our hellow sunshine color. So

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Speaker 1: thank you for being so on brand.

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Speaker 4: You know, I try.

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Speaker 1: I try the important things.

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Speaker 2: Wait, speaking of fashion, I know you're an outdoor early Ada.

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you about something that we talked

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Speaker 2: about earlier in the show today.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard of the gorpe core fashion trend?

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Speaker 5: You know, I just heard that phrase the other day,

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Speaker 5: but I'm not sure if I know what it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I just heard that.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it either.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a new silly title for basically just dressing

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Speaker 2: in comfortable performance clothing like you know, north Face or Patagonia.

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Speaker 2: It's like what we wear hiking or you know, whenever

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Speaker 2: we're outside connecting in nature. I'm a big fan of it.

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Speaker 2: I wear it all the time because I like that

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Speaker 2: it primes me for adventure. You know, I'm always ready

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 5: I love always feeling like you can do something right.

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Speaker 5: I feel like anytime, I mean, I have to wear heels,

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Speaker 5: you know, I move in heels, and at the same time,

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Speaker 5: I'm like, could I run on these right?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: Could I do this, and I'm most comfortable, I think

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Speaker 5: when I'm in my in my hiking boots and really

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Speaker 5: able to get around and move very freely.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's freedom. It's liberation to wear that clothing.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: And gorp.

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Speaker 2: I know that term is confusing a lot of people

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Speaker 2: don't know what it means, but it stands for good

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Speaker 2: old raisins and peanuts. It's just another way I'm saying

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Speaker 2: trail mix. So she's a gorp girl.

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Speaker 5: But I will say that my disdain for reasons is

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Speaker 5: so wholly deep and in my bloodstream that even when

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Speaker 5: you said it, I was like, oh.

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Speaker 4: I hope they're not referring to gorb with the one with.

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Speaker 3: The raiss ada.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for blessing us with your presence

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Speaker 2: and your poetry today.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you guys so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: It was the real pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It was so lovely to meet you. Same same aidaly

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Speaker 1: mone Is the US poet laureate. You are here poetry

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Speaker 1: in the natural World. The companion poetry anthology to her

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Speaker 1: National Parks Project is available.

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Speaker 2: Now. We have to take a quick break, but we'll

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Speaker 2: be right back. Stay with us, Danielle. I feel like,

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Speaker 2: my blood pressure is so much lower after having spoken

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Speaker 2: with her, my nervous system is calm.

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Speaker 3: That was just really good for my vagus nerve.

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Speaker 1: She has a really calming voice and calming presence. I

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Speaker 1: felt calm when she said that in poetry there's no

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Speaker 1: summing up, and I am constantly trying to sum up everything,

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Speaker 1: and it really reminded me that it's about the questions,

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Speaker 1: not the answers all the time.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Something that stuck with me is when she said that

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Speaker 2: we are fixated on these characteristics like resilience, bravery, and courage,

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Speaker 2: but she said when I can't feel any of those things,

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Speaker 2: I know I can always still feel AWE. That was

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Speaker 2: such a great reminder that whenever you're struggling with something

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Speaker 2: and you feel like I need to be resilient in

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Speaker 2: this moment, I need to be brave in this moment.

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Speaker 2: Instead of searching for those emotions if they're not coming

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Speaker 2: up naturally, maybe you just seem to take yourself out

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Speaker 2: of that current situation and seek out AWE.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's a cure. Great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that. Go touch grass exactly. Go

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Speaker 2: touch grass is always the answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna miss you, but we'll see you on Monday.

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Speaker 1: On the bright Side, we're talking with the Reese's Book

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Speaker 1: Club April pick Claire Lombardo. She's sharing her stories on

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Speaker 1: drafting her debut novel, The Most Fun We Ever Had.

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Speaker 1: The bright Side is a production of Hello Sunshine and

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts and is executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.

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Speaker 2: Production by Arcana Audio. Courtney Gilbert is our associate producer.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Stephanie Brown and Jessica Wank. Our engineer

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Speaker 2: is PJ. Shahamat, and our senior producer is Itzy Keinthania.

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Speaker 1: Arcana's executive producers are Francis Harlowe and Abby Ruska. Arcana's

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Speaker 1: head of production is Matt Schultz.

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Speaker 2: Natalie Tulluck and Maureen Polo are the executive producers for

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Speaker 2: Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Julia Weaver is the supervising producer, and Ali Perry is

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Speaker 1: the executive producer for iHeart Podcasts. This week's episodes were

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Speaker 1: recorded by Graham Gibson.

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Speaker 3: Our theme song is by Anna Stumpf and Hamilton lighthauser.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Connell Byrne, Will Pearson and Garrett Lang.

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Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boyce

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. That's r

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Speaker 1: O b A.

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Speaker 3: Y see you, Monday fan

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Speaker 2: Mhm