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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fish on Filter, presented by MPT College Consulting.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, March nineteenth, twenty twenty four, just over

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Speaker 1: a week away from the Marlin season opener. My name

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Speaker 1: is Isaac Gazoo. Joined today by mister Eli Sussman. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Barrall is out probably covering some sort of FIU athletic endeavor.

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Speaker 1: But we have a very special guest here today, mister Craig,

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Speaker 1: Mish Craig, it's not your first time joining us.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate the time as always. How's it going?

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Speaker 3: Wow? What timing? A lot happening in Marlin's land here.

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Speaker 4: Ironically, nothing on the field right, Like, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: guess there's some topics on the field to get to.

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Speaker 4: I feel like when it's the non field topics, that's

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Speaker 4: when you call me, that's when I get called in

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Speaker 4: to talk about everything that's going on. But I mean,

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Speaker 4: you guys have done a fantastic job this spring. You know,

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Speaker 4: like I am checking all of your guys accounts every

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Speaker 4: day when I have time to see, like what's happening.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, you guys have been like just doing

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Speaker 4: a phenomenal job doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's like and in one part it like reminds me.

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Speaker 3: I hate to sound old of.

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Speaker 4: When I was young and like so hungry and wanting

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Speaker 4: to be there and do it every day. But I

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Speaker 4: feel like I'm sort of doing it through you guys.

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Speaker 4: So you guys definitely deserve a round of applause as

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Speaker 4: we come to the end of spring training.

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Speaker 3: It's been it's.

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Speaker 4: Been cool every day not being on and then just

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Speaker 4: like popping on and just seeing what you guys have

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Speaker 4: to say. And I feel like at that point I'm

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Speaker 4: kind of caught up on the day.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate the words Craig.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, we did ask you to come on

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Speaker 1: before this jazz stuff dropped. We'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but let's talk about who's going to

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Speaker 1: be on the mound in twenty twenty four and who won't.

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Speaker 2: Be is Craig.

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Speaker 1: At least three fifths of the start of the projected

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Speaker 1: starting rotation will start the season on the il. The

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Speaker 1: most prominent one you see on the screen, mister Urie Perez.

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Speaker 1: He left his last spring start with discomfort in his

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Speaker 1: right middle finger, and he later complained of right elbow soreness.

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Speaker 2: Not exactly what you want.

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Speaker 1: He was scheduled to see doctor Keith Meister, the opathetic

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Speaker 1: surgeon that performed on Saniel Contra's right arm. Is this

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Speaker 1: going to be as bad as it seems, mister Craig.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, we have to let the entire

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Speaker 3: process play out. Again.

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Speaker 4: This comes down in the end to the player's decision

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Speaker 4: as to what they want to do. We've seen this

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Speaker 4: go a lot of different ways. I don't know Garrett

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Speaker 4: cole situation, but reading into that a little bit, my

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Speaker 4: guess is that could have gone either way. Justin Verland,

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Speaker 4: you may remember a couple of years ago, he I

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Speaker 4: think held off for a while and then he ended

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Speaker 4: up having the surgery. And so, you know, Sandy al

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Speaker 4: Contras another good example. If I'm if you know we're

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Speaker 4: speaking clearly here, I mean it was pretty evident I

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Speaker 4: think early on that that when Andy got checked out,

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Speaker 3: Have the surgery. But Sandy did not want to miss

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Speaker 4: Try to get back and kind of felt like the

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Speaker 4: would have cost him anyway, so he delayed it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know where that is.

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Speaker 4: In terms of that conversation, I think over the next

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Speaker 4: day or two we'll probably get more clarity on this

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Speaker 4: where it's at. But look, at this point, I think

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Speaker 4: it's fair to say, yeah, you have to start thinking

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Speaker 4: about what other options the Marlins are going to have

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Speaker 4: at the very least in the early part of the season,

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Speaker 4: if not the entire season. Now, again, I don't know

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Speaker 4: the answer as of right now as we're doing this,

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Speaker 4: but I do anticipate knowing soon.

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Speaker 3: I do think we'll know soon.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, regardless of exactly how this plays out, it's

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Speaker 5: going to be so frustrating for everybody involved with the

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Speaker 5: the entire team was managing his workload and exactly what

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Speaker 5: his endings would be. You got so many questions throughout

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Speaker 5: And like, they went through all of that specifically because

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Speaker 5: And despite all the information that these teams have about

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't seem like this stuff is avoidable, is it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's a good point because last year,

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Speaker 4: people in the organizations are saying, like, shutting him down

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Speaker 4: going to correlate to anything in the future, and other

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Speaker 3: And that just shows you.

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Speaker 4: The uncertainty as to workload and velocity. Maybe that's you know,

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Speaker 4: something we should be talking about too, is the increase

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Speaker 4: in velocity. All of a sudden, the players are all

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Speaker 4: getting hurt. When I was growing up in the eighties

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Speaker 3: Nobody got hurt. Now, all of a sudden, everybody grows

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Speaker 4: I think in time there's a little bit more of

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Speaker 4: a story to be told here that I think maybe

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Speaker 4: we'll enlighten more people about Uri Perez and sort of

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Speaker 4: more caution with this. But again, you know, we really

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Speaker 4: at this point don't know the exact outcome of it,

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Speaker 4: but I want to say that from my understanding, just

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Speaker 4: to be clear here, because I'm getting a lot of this,

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Speaker 4: so I'll just say it so before you guys even ask,

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Speaker 4: is that I don't think the fingernail had anything to

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Speaker 3: I really don't believe.

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Speaker 4: So I've asked people that I trust, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think that is to be the case. So this is

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Speaker 4: not something that we should be throwing tomatoes at the

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Speaker 3: I don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: Because this this sort of remind me of twenty thirteen

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Speaker 1: fourteen Jose Fernandez. He was babied in twenty thirteen, he

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Speaker 1: babing these young pitchers does not No, it does not

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Speaker 3: But as of right now, right and by and by

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Speaker 4: Listen, we could play revisionist history here if we wanted to.

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Speaker 4: And look, I know that there was I think there

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Speaker 4: shut him down anyway, like they didn't want him to pitch.

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Speaker 4: We could play that now and wonder in Philadelphia. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know who would have got the ball? You know,

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Speaker 4: we knew that Sandy wasn't going to pitch in the series.

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Speaker 4: What would have happened if Uri Prez.

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Speaker 3: Pitched in Game two?

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Speaker 4: I was at both of those games, were one was

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Speaker 4: interesting to think about. But again, we'll we'll know very soon.

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Speaker 4: I think it's fair for everyone to, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: Perfect, because we will talk about some of those options now.

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Speaker 1: And I think you put out a really realistic tweet

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Speaker 1: at what exactly the Marlins could be looking at when

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Speaker 1: it comes to their starting rotation depth. And it's gonna

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Speaker 1: It's after Lozardo who you know, who knows? But after

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Speaker 1: whether it's Brian hoeing Max Meyer. Is there any before

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't think so. I believe me.

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Speaker 4: I've asked, I've asked, I am I am concerned, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is that is my concern about the Marlins winning and losing?

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Speaker 4: And is that relevant to this or is my concern

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Speaker 4: the fact that they're just gonna like run out of

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Speaker 4: the way that the offense is constructed with like three

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Speaker 3: Writing is here. It's like, I don't know, like there

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Speaker 4: Like, it's kind of hard to say based on everything

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Speaker 3: And I don't know the answer to that.

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Speaker 4: And the only thing that I could think of is

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Speaker 3: Truth be told.

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Speaker 4: You know, Michael Lorenzen, he's out there, and what would

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Speaker 4: Michael Lorenzen do. You know, his war was like one

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Speaker 3: You know, They're just not going to do that, I

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Speaker 3: don't think. But I thought like Jacob Derezi would have

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Speaker 4: And maybe they're still gonna have to do that. I

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Speaker 4: think they will. That's my concern is you're you're losing

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Speaker 4: two hundred from Sandy maybe one hundred from Yuri Man,

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Speaker 4: it's three hundred innings that they're trying to replace with

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Speaker 4: AJ Puck and Trevor Rogers, like you know, and and

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Speaker 4: and listen, you guys again have been out there a

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Speaker 4: lot more than me. And that to me, another underreported

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Speaker 4: the next few days is Trevor Rodgers, Like what's going

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean that we absolutely have to and

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Speaker 4: it may go fine for him next time, and then

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Speaker 4: it's much to do about nothing could be true, But boy,

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Speaker 4: isn't isn't his next sprint start a really important start too?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And when I think all of these guys just have

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Speaker 4: You know, this is this is crazy that this has

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Speaker 6: But what about that meaning was the wildest thing you

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Speaker 4: with you, man, but that that is a little bit

438
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 4: for him, a little bit crazy for me to believe

439
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,120
Speaker 4: that that was happening, that that the errors were made

440
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 4: on purpose. But hey, you never know, maybe it was.

441
00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 4: Maybe somebody now can produce all those videos to show that.

442
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 4: Because to me, that was where like the shark was jumped.

443
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, Like, this is like this is

444
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 4: getting crazy. So and it was it entertaining? Did everybody

445
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 4: watch it? Are people going to watch it?

446
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 3: Yes? Is Jazz a massively fun, entertaining guy. Of course

447
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:29,639
Speaker 3: he is.

448
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 4: I think we're all engaged with everything that he said.

449
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: I think like the first time he ever said something,

450
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 4: I was like, like, are you sure you?

451
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: I think I tell him like, are you sure you

452
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: want to do this? He's like, Craig, you just got

453
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 3: to enjoy the ride here. Just just I'm just telling

454
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: you now, just go with it, Just go a lot.

455
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, no problem. Then if this is

456
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Speaker 3: the way it's going to go.

457
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,719
Speaker 4: But it's going to get a lot of views, it's

458
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 4: going to get a lot of clicks. I don't know

459
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Speaker 4: if it'll get a response. I guess we'll we'll end

460
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 4: up seeing if it does. But it's, uh, it was

461
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: a crazy It brought me back to the time a

462
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,560
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. I think it was June when

463
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 4: that happened, and the team meeting and you know, me

464
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 4: trying to you know, understand what happened with Nicky and

465
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Speaker 4: all that, and you know, definitely not the best memories

466
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: of my time covering the Marlins, just because it was

467
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 4: met with such ferocity at the time.

468
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Speaker 3: But I hope Jaz's got what he wanted out of it.

469
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 4: And you know, some of the some of the things

470
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 4: Jazz says are obviously you know, real, I mean real,

471
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 4: like a lot of it, I'm sure, But I've always.

472
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: Learned with Jazz. You know, something I've.

473
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Speaker 4: Learned when to know he's one hundred percent on and

474
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Speaker 4: when I have to add some percentages against it, like

475
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 4: you guys, guys.

476
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 3: Have learned that too.

477
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 4: Like every time he's heard he's coming back tomorrow, right,

478
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 4: Like every time, right, and it gets and it gets reported.

479
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Speaker 3: All the good news is Jazz says, you feeling fine,

480
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: it's gonna be back in line to our na he's

481
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Speaker 3: out for the year.

482
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: Right.

483
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Speaker 4: This happened like how many times already, So like like

484
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 4: examples like that. So there's probably some stuff in there

485
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 4: that's like that too, But he was really open and

486
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: honest and by the way, stuff about his family members.

487
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he was watching end All being

488
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 3: murdered over the last couple of years.

489
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Speaker 4: I mean there's some heavy heavy hitting in there too

490
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 4: as well.

491
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the other side of it is like

492
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 5: him not only putting some fault on his veteran teammates,

493
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Speaker 5: but also kind of admitting himself that he was. He

494
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 5: would explain that like he wouldn't practice with his teammates,

495
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 5: he would only when he was celebrating. He would only

496
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 5: look for his friends and family in the stands that

497
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 5: he didn't really like make the effort on his end

498
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Speaker 5: to be a good teammate as well. Like I guess

499
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Speaker 5: the only hope is as messy as those years were,

500
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Speaker 5: that now that he is surrounded by he considers more

501
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 5: of his teammates now to be genuine friends of his.

502
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 5: That he's seems so appreciative of Skip and his managerial

503
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 5: style that even though like he's been around a while,

504
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 5: as he mentions on the Pot, he's still a young guy.

505
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 5: He still just turned twenty six. That maybe this is

506
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 5: he's just finally in a situation where it all actually

507
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 5: comes together. He's already he's had some of the accolades

508
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: he's been on the video game cover. But I think

509
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 5: there is a perception, like understandably that he's an overrated player,

510
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 5: that he's been getting a lot more attention than his

511
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 5: actual production merits. But I guess as long as he

512
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 5: if he feels he's turned the page on like this

513
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 5: rocky episode of his life, what he calls the worst

514
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 5: few years of his life, then I at least the

515
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 5: future might be brighter. At least maybe this is kind

516
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 5: of the year where he actually is available and is

517
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 5: productive and all the immaturity of most of the some

518
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 5: of the immaturity of his past he kind of leaves behind.

519
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: Maybe this was maybe this was something that he wanted

520
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 4: to do, and maybe this was cathartic for him to

521
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: go off like this. I think some people would think

522
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 4: that this wasn't the way.

523
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Speaker 3: To do it.

524
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Speaker 4: But I mean a lot of that podcast was discussed,

525
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Speaker 4: as you said, he lie about. He kept saying like,

526
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 4: those were the worst three years, and you know, I

527
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 4: hated everything and the only thing I wanted to do

528
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: was play baseball. I used to come to the park,

529
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: he said early at two o'clock, and no one would

530
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: see him. Like, look, I can't quantify all these things.

531
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: Like the story that he told about his sneakers being

532
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 4: cut up. I mean, there's no reason to make that up.

533
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: But I've never heard that. That was the very first

534
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: time that I had heard that story about somebody cutting

535
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 4: a sneakers putting milk in there news to me, and

536
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: haven't asked anybody.

537
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: To verify that either.

538
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 4: So again, he is the ultimate entertainer. He's you know,

539
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 4: he is a guy that just wants you to enjoy

540
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 4: the show. This does come at the expense of some

541
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 4: other people who played with the Marlins. There's no question

542
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 4: about that, and so there's going to be sides taken

543
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: on this. I would guess too, as far as far

544
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: as that is concerned. But what I've learned about sports

545
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 4: is that a lot of times we are very critical

546
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 4: of athletes and executives for saying nothing, and then here

547
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: we have a guy that's saying everything. So, you know,

548
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: I think from an entertainment point of view, this was

549
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 4: entertaining to hear.

550
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: But again there's some very personal shots taken at other people,

551
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, players who played for the Marlins, and I

552
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: will be curious to see if there's any response from that.

553
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Speaker 1: I said, I'm actually curious to see, you know which

562
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Speaker 1: side you guys would be on here because you know,

563
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Speaker 1: one of the sides is, hey, listen, you're not a

564
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Speaker 1: veteran like those guys that you've mentioned, Craig, And if

565
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Speaker 1: they want you to get your shit together, that's fair.

566
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Speaker 2: But also, you know what, you.

567
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Speaker 1: Guys are teammates, and your teammate should have your bag.

568
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Speaker 1: Your teammates shouldn't let you sleep through a team meeting,

569
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Speaker 1: So there sort of needs to be a balance. I'm curious, like,

570
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Speaker 1: what side do you think you would be on there,

571
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Craig in that situation, because jazz, Yeah.

572
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: Look, jazz is culpable for a lot of stuff over

573
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: the last few years. There's there's no doubt about it.

574
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: Like as far as you know, he.

575
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: Said himself not maybe not eating right, you know, being

576
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 4: he said he was late every day, the stuff, Like,

577
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Speaker 4: like I think he said that he was late like

578
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 4: all the time, and now he's not. Now he said

579
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 4: that he's I'm not late anymore because I want to

580
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 4: be there. So that means that he would ring all

581
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 4: the time, you know. And and look, people in the

582
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: organization tell me this sort of stuff too, so so

583
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: I've heard it.

584
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 3: Uh So, Look, it's not a matter of sides.

585
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 4: The only thing that I, you know, go back to,

586
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 4: and I hate to do it again, I go back

587
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: to is I don't know the entire cusp of what

588
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 4: happened over the course of years with Jazz, and it

589
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 4: seems like if you probably asked him, he would take

590
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 4: culpability for some of that, even some of the talks

591
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Speaker 4: he said he had with with Derek Jeter too, about

592
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: how like Jeter was telling him to do one thing.

593
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm not going to do that. I'm going

594
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 4: to be my own guy. And he said that I

595
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: wish that I had him now here so he could

596
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: see who I am now as opposed to I was then.

597
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: But I the only thing I can go back to

598
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: was the actual meeting, you.

599
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: Know, and that was the one where, like I asked

600
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 4: so many It was so crazy that day, and I

601
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: just remember asking so many questions and you know, unfortunately,

602
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: you know, in that spot, getting a unanimous sort of

603
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 4: answer as to how that went, and the culpability of that, like,

604
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: I can't. It's not my opinion to have guys like

605
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 4: this is what I was told, and that's why so

606
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: much trouble was caused with me and with when I

607
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: was with Peter and again with Niggie getting upset, me

608
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 4: getting upset. It was just based on things that I

609
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: was told and I wasn't there, so I can only

610
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: go off that. There would be some people Isaac that

611
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: would say, well, you weren't there, so how would you know.

612
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 4: But this is like covering sports, like, there's a reason

613
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 4: why reporters say source because you're being told something without

614
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: actually being there. You're sending a text or a tweet

615
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 4: from a garage like me like. But but again I

616
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: can only go based off that. Is that the right

617
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: thing to do? Is that the wrong thing to do?

618
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I sourced it. I sourced that

619
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: story extraordinarily well at the time, it was not one

620
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: or two or three or five. When you go that route,

621
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Speaker 4: you have to make sure you have your bases covered,

622
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 4: and so I did at that point, and I learned

623
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Speaker 4: I thought I had learned at that point that the

624
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 4: meeting in particular was an out of bounds meeting.

625
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Speaker 3: That's what I heard at the time, which is what

626
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: I reported. And then things steamrolled from there.

627
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: And I guess the last thing from that podcast is

628
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: just to touch on that. He said he had one

629
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Speaker 1: guy on a side, which is ironically the guy who

630
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Speaker 1: only spent what this I think twenty nine games with

631
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Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty and.

632
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Speaker 2: It was eventually dealt in twenty twenty one.

633
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Speaker 1: Starrly Marte, I personally didn't even see that they had

634
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: not close of a relationship, but well.

635
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: They definitely did. But that's all.

636
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: But that's not true, Jazz is that that's not true.

637
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: Other guys were very much on his side during that time.

638
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: That's that's not I mean, maybe that was the only

639
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: guy that he could really talk to privately. Look, I

640
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: don't I don't know all the relationships, but in terms

641
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: of like players that would have defended him.

642
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: He had a lot more than that, multiple uh players.

643
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: I mean, remember it wasn't He had a charity event

644
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: last year where he said that Berger and Bell was

645
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: like his best friends. They'd been on the team for

646
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: like a week. Right, So you have to take some

647
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: of this, you know, his entertainment. It's like that movie

648
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: you watch where it's like this is inspired by true events, right,

649
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: Like that kind of work a little bit like that.

650
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm wrong, maybe maybe this is all exactly how

651
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: it went down. But I always feel like the Jazz,

652
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 4: there's a little there's a little bit of that. I

653
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: always go back to the injuries. You know, Jazz is like,

654
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's like the foot is hanging off the leg.

655
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, I'm gonna be in there tomorrow.

656
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, Jazz says he's gonna be in there tomorrow.

657
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: He's feeling very good, and we could expect to see

658
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: him to borrow talking about it, it's not happening. He

659
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 4: took VP at the All Star Game on the I L.

660
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: They were trying to find the guy, like he took VP.

661
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he was supposed to. And then he

662
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: like disappeared at the All Star Game in LA and

663
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: they were looking for him, like to tell him, hey,

664
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: like you can't do that, like you can't participate in

665
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: the physical events at the All Star but they couldn't

666
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: find him.

667
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: You were asking me if you've seen Jazz, if you've seen.

668
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 5: Like well, but by the time most people listen to this,

669
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: the actual regular season is gonna get underway in all

670
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 5: the way on the other side of the world, and

671
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 5: we're only a week away from the Marlins starting their season.

672
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 5: I wanted to get your take. If there's anybody in

673
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: particular on this Marlin seem that you're optimistic could have

674
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 5: some kind of breakout or or I guess you conclude

675
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: some kind of huge bounce back compared to last year.

676
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 5: Let's exclude Jazz from the conversation and we'll exclude six

677
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 5: to oh because I think you've made it clear where

678
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: you stand. Still couldn't Yeah, still very wait and see

679
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: on that situation or anybody else, either you personally or

680
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 5: somebody or people that you trust think could actually have

681
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: a pretty sizable impact on this team in twenty twenty four.

682
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a little similar to last year.

683
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: I don't look, I don't see Josh Bell getting much better.

684
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: We have a lot of data on him for years.

685
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: Jake Berger was amazing when he came over, so I

686
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: don't know how much better he can be. Tim Anderson,

687
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: I would guess, has got to be better. So I

688
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 4: think that their offense kind of will be similar to

689
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: what it was last year. De la Cruz gets hot

690
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 4: for two and a half months. The rest of the time,

691
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: you're like, this guy shouldn't be playing. You know, Haesus

692
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 4: Sanchez as long as he's playing against right handed pitching

693
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: for the most part will be very I think valuable

694
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: to the team. There'll be some platooning going on too,

695
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: So I think in the end, guys, this may go

696
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: back to exactly what we saw a year ago, which

697
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: is like Garrett came up and he's surprised, like who

698
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: will be that pitcher that comes up? Because they seem

699
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 4: to have the secret sauce with the pitching.

700
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: And maybe this doom and gloom outcome of the starting

701
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: pitching isn't even fair. But all of a sudden, we're

702
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: gonna be talking about somebody that we're not now that

703
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: ends up making twenty starts for them this year. Maybe

704
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: it's not even Weathers, but people have asked me also

705
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: in like the fantasy community, like the player that I

706
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: would want, you know, for the Marlins that I think,

707
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: and I think it's Andrew Nardi. I really do. I

708
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: think that is the guy that.

709
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: You know stands right next to Scott if something would

710
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: happen or Scott would get traded to get saves. He

711
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: was so incredible for almost all of the season that

712
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: it just didn't get talked about, and unfortunately give up

713
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: that big Grand Slam in the playoffs. So that's kind

714
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: of what we remember last But to me, that is

715
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: the valuable chip that the Marlins have that I don't

716
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: think is going anywhere because he's a service brand new

717
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: rookie last year and I think that he'll have a

718
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: continued impact in the eighth inning or again if the

719
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: team doesn't perform and players are traded, which is certainly possible,

720
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: you never know. I think he could take over as

721
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: a closer with the Marlins. It was a great draft pick,

722
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: a great a great player and missed a little time

723
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: last year. But every time guys, that guy came into

724
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 4: the game.

725
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: A lot of times it was trouble.

726
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: There was like a guy on and there was like

727
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: and he got out of it like every single time.

728
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: So I want to see more of him. To me,

729
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: that would be my reliable breakout sort of start the

730
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: starting pitching. I don't know.

731
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 4: I mean, at this point is it which direction could

732
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: I go? George Soriano, I don't know. I don't know

733
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 4: what they're gonna go with.

734
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Soriano has had the best spring of any Marlins

735
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: pitcher I think, and it doesn't he last time he

736
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: pitched in a gratefull league gamelin and were there, he

737
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: only threw one inning and that was before the whole number.

738
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: How could they start him? I'm not sure.

739
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: And then this guy Miglaukin, I don't know anything about him.

740
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: He started I get yet a couple days ago whenever

741
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: that was. And look, I mean, if I'm not mistaken,

742
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: you guys are gonna have to go back this and

743
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: check where if it was just something that I heard.

744
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: But I think that up until like recently, Lozarro had

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: said that he was still like perfecting himself.

746
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: I think something like I don't know what the quote

747
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: was exactly, and I was like, oh my gosh, like

748
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: him like not hurt.

749
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: But like doesn't feel like ready to go either, Like

750
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: and he's starting opening day now. The other day he

751
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: said he is. So that's good, but like, really, what

752
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: are we dealing with here, because it seems like it

753
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: seems like a lot. So they'll get Garrett back, I

754
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 4: think there may. I think we're all making too much

755
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: of that too. He's a nice picture. He's the middle

756
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: of the rotation guy. It's like he's being painted. It's like, oh,

757
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 4: once we get him back, he's the savior. Come on, like, please,

758
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 4: let's get real here. It's it's gonna be a work

759
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: in progress. Maybe they'll sign someone that I'm not aware of,

760
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 4: but I've given the names out already as far as

761
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 4: some of them that I think could be an option,

762
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 4: And you guys mentioned Hoeing is another one.

763
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they would love the two f hats

764
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Sorianna go more than one inning in that last game.

765
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: But they just I guess they didn't know they were optimistic.

766
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: Regarding Yuri and now they really are are kind of

767
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: shit out of luck. This sort of reminds you that

768
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen spring training where I think it was Henderson

769
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Albers and Nathan Valdi, both of them last week of

770
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: spring training hit the IL and that's where they had

771
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: to call up Posey Fernandez to make that opening day rotation.

772
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: Under that, yeah, last week of spring training.

773
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: Maybe Max Meyer will be that guy that would definitely

774
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: send a different message at the start of the baseball season.

775
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 4: I would say that if it's not him and it's

776
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: someone else, I think a different message is sort of

777
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 4: sent at that point, which is kind of like, all right,

778
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: we're just gonna, you know, kind.

779
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: Of go with what we got. By the way, I

780
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: kind of see it the same way a little bit here.

781
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: I am a fan of everything that Peter Bendix has

782
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: done so far, and I really think that there's gonna

783
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: be a bright future with all the hiring that he made,

784
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: and I do believe in a lot of the concepts.

785
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 4: I've talked to him a number of times. He has

786
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: a way of wanting to do things, and he is

787
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 4: going to stick to that plan. There really is not

788
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: a lot of deviation. I feel like Tim Anderson was

789
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 4: a little bit of a deviation just because he looked

790
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 4: at the landscape at short and said, we just don't

791
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 4: have it, kind of have somebody. But beyond that, there

792
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: are players to sign and start, and he has not

793
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: signed any of them. So that's where we're at.

794
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if this season sort of does go that

795
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: way that route, a lot of guys will one Some

796
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: of them that are on the major league team right

797
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: now probably won't be there post July, and a lot

798
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: of younger guys that I've yet to debut will get

799
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: their opportunities, whether it's a Griffin Conine or whether it's

800
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: another younger guy.

801
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: But I'm just curious, Craig, is there a.

802
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Somewhat notable prospect name that you think is going to

803
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: get his first big lead opportunity, Like it's sort of

804
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: Dane Meyers type of last year, who's going to get

805
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: his chance to hit or pitch pretty regularly for this

806
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: team that they like.

807
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so. Not that

808
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: I not that I see.

809
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 4: And again, you guys are covering this a lot closer

810
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: than I am, But I don't particularly see someone who's

811
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: an everyday player. That's I would love to see Griffin Conine,

812
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: of course, I mean more than just Griffin Conine playing.

813
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: It'd be a great story for the Marlins too, but

814
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: not really, No, I don't see that.

815
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: I just I really am surprised they didn't make some

816
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: sort of trade.

817
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: I genuinely thought they were going to make a deal

818
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: this offseason and inject three or four kids into the

819
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 4: farm system and they didn't. And listen, at some point

820
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: that's going to have to happen. They really need told

821
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: the offensive system right.

822
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: And Luzardo is set to make his opening days start

823
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: just nine days from now, and I guess best case

824
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: scenario they were hoping for is maybe as a great

825
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: first half and then that's when you try and inject

826
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: some talent.

827
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know what. You know, what's funny,

828
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: there's I don't think this is going to happen, but

829
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: it did cross my mind.

830
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: Several years ago. I looked it up. I don't remember

831
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: the exact year. The Padres, you know, the Padres once

832
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: every five or six years, decide that they're like gonna

833
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: win the World Series and like do everything, and they

834
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: get rid of everybody the next year and.

835
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 3: Everyone says the Padres are great, right, Like it's amazing

836
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: how that works.

837
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: So you guys could go back and look, it was

838
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 4: early on the Preller era. They the Braves, the Braves

839
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: who were not in as good a position as the

840
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 4: Marlins at the time that as the Marlins are now,

841
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: maybe at maybe a few ticks below because they were

842
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: about to go in a rebuild, but they did have

843
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: Freddy Freeman decided to trade Kimbrel the night before.

844
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: The season to the Podcas.

845
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that's gonna happen with the Marlins

846
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 4: here where all of a sudden, the Browns are moving

847
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 4: to Indianapolis like in the night, like in the middle

848
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: of the night.

849
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: Here, but it would not shock me. I don't think

850
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: they're gonna do it.

851
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 4: I don't think so, but it wouldn't shock me, like

852
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: I would be like yeah, like yeah, I get it,

853
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: Like I understand and and I know that that's not

854
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: painting the half full glass of optimism. But without Sandy

855
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: and Uri, I just I don't know, Like, how do

856
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 4: you how do you get through a season without those guys?

857
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 3: Maybe you guys have a better idea. I don't know

858
00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: how they do.

859
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I don't.

860
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: It's funny that you mentioned Kimberl because the Marbins do

861
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: have a closer Tanner Scott, who if that was pretty

862
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: confident that they were gonna deal at some points one

863
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: year left. He's never gonna pitch as well as he

864
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: did last year. I don't think he's not off to

865
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: the great greatest start this spring. But maybe they do

866
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: trade a pretty big asset in Tanner Scott before the

867
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: season or early somebody else.

868
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: But maybe not, And maybe that's just me thinking like

869
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: crazy talk. It's it's very possible, right, Like if I thought,

870
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: you know, you know, pull the shoot here right before

871
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: the season starts and just be like all right, we

872
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 4: are who we are. I mean, it's not that I

873
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 4: want them to do that, but if you're not gonna

874
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 4: go out and you're not going to get like Montgomery,

875
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 4: or you're not gonna take a shot with Bauer or

876
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: something like that. Like if you're not gonna do those

877
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: things and you're just gonna go with what you got,

878
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: I gotta be honest.

879
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: I am not confident in just going with what you

880
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: got and that starting rotating. I am not.

881
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 4: I could be now and people could say, oh my gosh,

882
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: aj Puck. First start five innings, five innings on seven case,

883
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: second start six innings, third start eight innings, fourth start

884
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: five and then all of a sudden he's at his

885
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 4: limit from last year, and then every inning he throws

886
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 4: from that point forward is more than he had the

887
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 4: year before, Like does anybody consider that?

888
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: And then Trevor Robbers like how many innings is that?

889
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: God?

890
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 3: A guy gonna throw?

891
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: Like where are these innings gonna come from in July

892
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 4: and August and September?

893
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: Where your your guess is as good as mind as

894
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: Trevor Bower? Is that a name that has ever been

895
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: discussed within the organization.

896
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: Believe me, I've asked a lot, though.

897
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: A huge pitch for the league minimum.

898
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I think, I think I would do it.

899
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: I would do it.

900
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: You need to do it, not only what you heard it.

901
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: I would do it.

902
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: When we're mentioning Brian Homing facing the same lineup more

903
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: than once here and come opening week, I think you

904
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: have to swallow your pride and do it.

905
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 3: I would do it. Trevor Bower is gonna sign with

906
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: somebody over the next year.

907
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna sign with someone. I'm positive he's gonna get it.

908
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna get a contract with someone. I'll sign a

909
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: one year deal with player bonuses, and I don't know

910
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 4: if it's going to work out or not. But you know,

911
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 4: you talk about a possible landing spot that's soft where

912
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 4: you could sort of like, you know, take a little

913
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: pr hit for a bit and then you know, get

914
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 4: over it. I think this would be the spot I do.

915
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: I don't don't think ends coverage here. And you know,

916
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 4: the guy, the guy throws, the guy gives you innings,

917
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: and then July comes and war is four and what

918
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: is that guy going to get back in return in

919
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: a trade? If if that's the scenario that they go.

920
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 4: I think desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures, as

921
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: they say, and you're you're talking about a very messy

922
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: situation in the rotation. So I didn't think that I

923
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 4: would be saying that here, but I think I would

924
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: do it. I think I would pull the trigger on

925
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: it and park them in triple A, you know, talk

926
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: to him, say hey, look, here's the deal. This is

927
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 4: our plan whether you like. If you like it, great,

928
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 4: If not, then it's not for you. But you're you're

929
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: in triple A, and we'll we'll tell you when we

930
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: need you and see what happens and let let it.

931
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 3: Let you know if you start, let it play out.

932
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Everything looks good. Here we go one hundred innings, and

933
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: then end of July, if it's done, you know, and

934
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: everything goes well, what could you get back for that guy?

935
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: If things go really well, and.

936
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 4: What could you put back into the organization for like

937
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: a trade for a minor league player, It would be

938
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 4: pretty significant for me.

939
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: And he's pretty stretched out too.

940
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: He's been pitching, so it's wouldn't be a you know,

941
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: a Jordan Montgomery type of thing where they have to

942
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: start from scratching.

943
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: He's been pitching, so he is kind of ready to go.

944
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: Really very complicated, very complicated with everything that's happening. I

945
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 4: am just I happened to be one of those people

946
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 4: that believe that people should get a second chance. I like,

947
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 4: I think myself included made mistakes in life, no doubt

948
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 4: about it, and have been given second chances of things.

949
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 4: I think everybody at some point deserves it. And I

950
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: don't think this guy is never going to pitch again.

951
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be back at some point.

952
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: Some team is going to do it, whether you know

953
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: it's Kansas City or Miami or Tampa or one of

954
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: those teams where it's like crazy, horrible pr for like

955
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks and then.

956
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 3: All of a sudden it's like, oh, the guy's pitched

957
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: it every five days ago.

958
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Eli, anything left from you, sir.

959
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I would just I would be very shocked

960
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 5: if that happens, just because there's we've seen any guys

961
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: that are not any guys, but there just seem to

962
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: be particular cases of guys either directly or tangentially connected

963
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 5: to domestic violence or other crimes where I mean, it

964
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: just seems like there's an unridden agreement among these major

965
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: league teams to stay away the idea of that.

966
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything stopping any team from signing him.

967
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I've eli your sentiment has been

968
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: shared with me that MLB has this thing where it's

969
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 4: like the secret you can't sign this guy.

970
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't believe that to be the case, just my opinion.

971
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: I don't believe that.

972
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 4: And the guy made horrible mistakes and admitted that he

973
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: made horrible mistakes, and by the way, could make horrible

974
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 4: mistakes again and the deal and it could end up

975
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: looking horribly. But this is I mean this, we're kind

976
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: we're kind of calling for a desperate situation here, are

977
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: we not?

978
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: Like this is.

979
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 4: As as desperate as it's going to get to open

980
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 4: a season with a rotation. Now, the other school of

981
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: thought is if you really don't care and it's just like,

982
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 4: all right, we know who we are where seventy something wins,

983
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 4: it is what it is, then then you know what,

984
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: then don't do it. But if you really want to fight,

985
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: and you really want to give yourself a shot, then

986
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: I think this is the kind of flyer that you

987
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: take in a desperate situation with a Sandy with a

988
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: with a Yuri and all the other guys in no way,

989
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: But when you're down this many.

990
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 3: I probably would do it. I'd be crushed for it.

991
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: And it's not as bad as a Julio Urias situation,

992
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: where it's multiple times correct.

993
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: It's well, I don't think Trevor was arrested for anything.

994
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: Wasn't he right? No, he's got he's got Yeah, No.

995
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: There there's there's definitely a difference there. But I look

996
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: like I have obviously very much against any domestic violence,

997
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: and I get it. It's just what I don't want

998
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: to do.

999
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 4: Guys is look back two years from now and say,

1000
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 4: you know, look at this guy's pitching for this team.

1001
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: You know they could have just done it, and you know,

1002
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 4: made a trade and some other team took the shot.

1003
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he never will play it.

1004
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1005
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: That's why because there's a lot of guys, the Roldest, Chapman,

1006
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Domingo Herman, there's a lot of guys out there that

1007
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: have been connected these things, and I've actually been found

1008
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: guilty and there's given second chances.

1009
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: Bower is an interesting case, a very interesting case, one

1010
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: of them all.

1011
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: And he got them unbelievable year last year with the bridge.

1012
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: Forty home runs for the race, they're gonna tradeing for Garcia.

1013
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: So I don't think I agree with you.

1014
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

1015
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't see it happening either, Right, Well, I think

1016
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: that's it.

1017
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: I guess one last thing I want to touch on

1018
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: really quick good this spring al is are they how

1019
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: short of a leash would they have with this player?

1020
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: Is they going to be another full year at least

1021
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: or what are their thoughts?

1022
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: Samson had no.

1023
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: Idea, no idea. I thought last year would have been

1024
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: the end. I thought there was no scenario that he'd

1025
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 4: be back again, and here we are. To his credit,

1026
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 4: he looked much better the last week or two. Maybe

1027
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 4: that's bought him or a roster.

1028
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: Spot for a bit.

1029
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, really the Rays do tend to grind

1030
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 4: these guys out. The Ray's way is sort of to

1031
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 4: you know too, if you don't, if you can't make it,

1032
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: and they just they let you go. So I don't

1033
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 4: know if if Peter Benny is gonna subscribe to that

1034
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 4: like over the course of the season. Maybe that's where

1035
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: it's at. But if you remember a guy who used

1036
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 4: to play for the Marlins and was let go by

1037
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: the Rays, previous Corey Dickerson, he was an All Star

1038
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 4: and the race cut.

1039
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: Him, you know, so I could see that happening. But

1040
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: I do think they're probably going to keep them on

1041
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: the twenty six man open season.

1042
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: Right well, I guess Dane might as will have to

1043
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: wait his turn at some point, all right, Craig.

1044
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it as always.

1045
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: This is at least what a sixth seventh time on

1046
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: a fish on first affiliated show, So.

1047
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. Keep up the great work.

1048
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: I'm always following. It's just light life has really you know.

1049
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: My daughter's getting ready to go to college. My son

1050
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: is playing very busy travel ball. I'm working six days

1051
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: a week on sports Grid. I try to do as

1052
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 4: much as I can, you know, covering the Marlins and

1053
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 4: doing what I do. And I definitely still very much

1054
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 4: stay in touch, so I know exactly what's going on

1055
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: with everything. But you know, when life presents you with

1056
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: some wonderful family opportunities, it's hard for me to, you know,

1057
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 4: to not take advantage of those. I mean, my daughter's

1058
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: been performing in some incredible plays at the Summer I

1059
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: Civic Center. She's applying to all these the colleges for theater,

1060
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 4: and my son, you guys, see some social media stuff,

1061
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 4: but I mean he is as such. I mean he

1062
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 4: we switched teams. We're on a new team this year

1063
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 4: in plantation, and he has been like doing like incredible,

1064
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: and it's it's like, how can I miss that?

1065
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 3: You know, like I can't. I can't not be there

1066
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 3: for those moments.

1067
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 4: So it kind of hinders my ability to do as

1068
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 4: much as I would like to do.

1069
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: But I feel really fortunate to be in the spot

1070
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: that I am.

1071
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I would absolutely agree. Thank you again, Craig for

1072
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: being generous with your time. That's it for Fish and Filter,

1073
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: presented you by MPT College Consulting, peace Out and as always,

1074
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: go Fish

1075
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: The pot, the bo