WEBVTT - Selects: Horoscopes: Written in the Stars? 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:04.240 Everybody, it's your friend Josh. And for this week's Select, 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:09.360 I chose our two thousand sixteen episode on horoscopes. And 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.799 I was pretty proud of us on this one because 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.560 we took something that both Chuck and I were incredulous 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.759 about and we talked about it on its own terms, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.720 which can be tough to do. So I'm kind of 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:23.880 proud of this one, and I hope you at the 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.040 very least enjoy it, if not feel proud of us too. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.960 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:44.640 Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:50.479 There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over here and 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.480 we're just relaxing here in Studio one A. So this 0:00:54.640 --> 0:01:00.480 stuff you should know? Oh I thought it was astro Chad. Yeah, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.920 that's what we would call a great name or horoscope 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.720 or podcast. Say horror scope. No, you shouldn't say that. No, 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.959 would you ever want to do a horoscope or astrology podcast? 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.679 What do you mean on its own? Not see that? Well? 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.959 We were talking about this briefly until I didn't do 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.240 it this time, but normally whenever this is a secret 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.560 Chuck that I'm about to share with everybody the pre 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.560 taping secret. Yeah. If we start to talk and get 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:35.240 too involved in the topic before we start recording, usually 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.000 one of us will be like, stop, stop, this is 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.080 golden to save it for the podcast. We didn't do 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.000 that this time. I think we just kind of naturally 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:47.199 dis continue conversations with right. But um, you were saying 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.640 that you are, and I don't know if you're ready 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:51.800 to admit this or not this early in the episode. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.600 You're a little incredulous about horoscopes and astrology. Yes, okay, Um, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.200 I am as well. But the think the difference between 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.760 us is you're just kind of like, come on, And 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.480 as I was researching it more and more, I was like, 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.440 this is really interesting. I could say here and read 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.520 about this like all day, and now that it's been 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.280 brought up, I'm like, I could probably do a skeptical 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.880 but not with the aim to like destroy it, but 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:21.280 just from a skeptic standpoint podcast on astrology. I think 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:26.640 that that would fascinate me personally and like one day maybe, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.760 So Yeah, I think we we got on that because 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.160 I was having a hard time wrapping my head around 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.000 a couple of I'm not gonna say scientific parts, but 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.440 a couple of the science science parts of this, and 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.840 I kept going back to, like, cares it's not real, 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.480 so it's hard for me to commit to the learning 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.560 of it. And we typically have a thing where it's like, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.280 you know, poo poo people's beliefs. We're not really doing 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.359 that here, but there have been a couple of occasions 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.120 where we just kind of like this is there's just 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:06.520 no way. One of them was crop circles. Yeah, um, 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.440 I'm I don't plan on poo pooing this throughout, but 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.080 I think it's good for us to state our beliefs 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.440 from the get go, all right, so that we don't 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.359 mislead anybody who's who does believe in it. Well, here's 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.800 I did. I had my astrological chart done once. Um 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.320 you did. Yeah, I didn't like seek it out and 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.120 pay for it. My friend's mom is really into this, 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.160 and she asked me one time, She's like, do you 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.040 want me to do your chart? And I went sure, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.240 So she did my chart and I remember looking at 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.000 it and thinking like, wow, a lot of this, you know. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.440 It kind of like when you look at your sun 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.120 sign and we'll go ahead and say that's what most 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.000 like like when somebody says what sign are you? Yeah, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.320 or if you read your daily horoscope, it's it's based 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.800 on your sun sign um. I would look at things 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.200 like that, or like my whatever my year is on 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.160 the Chinese zodio. I can think like, oh wow, I 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:01.320 am some of these things. But then I'm like, not 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.040 about half of those things. So I just think it's interesting. 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.360 And I think it's interesting as well, but again from 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.320 a standpoint of where I don't actually believe it's effective 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:15.240 or real, but just the thought put into it. And 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.240 Ed wrote this article the Grabster, and he makes a 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.320 really good point saying like, even if you don't believe 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.760 it or not getting your your chart done is interesting 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.440 in and of itself. I think so sure. And at 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.880 the very least, it's going to force you to be 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.200 a little more introspective about yourself than than you normally 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.359 would be, because you're being presented with basically like here's 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.919 your personality according to the cosmos, and it's you can't 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.120 help but think, what, like am I introspective? Am I 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.080 do I set things on fire? I think anything that 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.039 can spur self reflection is valuable in some ways. Yes, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.440 I think that's where interesting, Like I would go to 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.520 a palm reader just to know what that's like, but 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.440 I wouldn't leave thinking like, oh boy, my life is 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.479 set out for me. Yeah, exactly. You know Nancy Reagan, 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.200 Well we'll get to that. So but spoiler, I am 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:09.280 not Nancy Reagan. We we should probably say for those 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.120 of you who are confused, they're like, how are they 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.080 pooh pooing this? Like this is the science of of 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:19.120 Nil deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan. I don't understand. We're 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:24.520 talking about astrology, not astronomy. Um. So. Astrology is basically 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:31.520 the idea um that distant objects out on the cosmos, planets, stars, 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:37.839 constellations specifically have an influence on our lives and events 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.440 on the planet. And it's very old. Um. I saw 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.640 as far back as five thousand years ago people were 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:50.960 starting to develop astrological systems. UM. I saw more frequently 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:55.359 three thousand years ago with the Babylonians that Western astrology 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.320 kind of started to develop. Should we talk about history 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:01.440 a little bit? I think I finally figured out my 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.600 beef with it. Should I hold on to that or 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.880 should we talk about history first? That's up to you, man, 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:09.920 how do you want it to play out? I just 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.280 don't forget if you hang onto it all right, I'm 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:17.200 gonna write beef at the top of my page. It's 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:22.359 gonna you're gonna carrying yourself to shoot a duck later on. Okay, 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.560 So it's like memento. I'll come back to that. Uh 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.719 So history, Um, we need to go back in the 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:37.719 way back machine, the way way back to ancient times, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:42.200 to Babylon. Yeah, when basically people mean we are going 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:48.279 back to Babylon. Basically when people were like looking around 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.720 at everything and going, I don't get it. Why is 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.320 all this stuff happening? Why did the earth just open 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.360 up and swallow yishmail? Why is it raining? Why is 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.080 it not raining? Why are the crops doing well? Are 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.000 they doing terribly? Yeah? Why it was that sun? Uh 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.919 up half the day and down half the day. Uh So, 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.200 as humans started to get a little more I don't 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.800 know about intelligent, but um, inquisitive. Inquisitive. I was about 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.240 to say answer seeky, but inquisitive is the word for that. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.880 As they started to get a little more answer seeky, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.640 they started to make things up. Um that made them 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.760 feel better about what was going on, Right, I mean 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.840 they they did apply a certain measure of science too, 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.600 which is where a lot of people who believe in 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.120 astrology get the idea that it's scientific at some in 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.480 some way, shape or form, because it does involve the movement, 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.600 studying and tracking the movement of the planets and the 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.000 constellations the cosmos, right, Yeah, And that makes a good point. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.000 Back then, astronomy and astrology were the same thing, right, right, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:57.480 because you took those observations astronomy and then you you 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.640 used them to predict or explain the stuff that was 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.040 going on here on Earth, right, which we now call astrology, right, Yeah, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:06.840 but yeah, I don't even know what they called it 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.720 back then. They called it reality, probably so. But it 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.480 wasn't just the Babylonians who were doing this, Like all 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.760 over the planet. Basically every culture that's ever lived had 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:22.600 some sort of astrological system. Yeah. The Aztec and Incas 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.160 and the mines in South America they had zodiac of 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:31.440 twenty symbols, including things like earthquake and ape and rain 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:36.760 and um. When they died out, they took it with them. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.080 Like that doesn't have any It didn't seep into modern 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:44.800 forms of astrology like the Babylonians. No, no, Spanish. Jesuit 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.480 was saying, so can you explain your astrological system to 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.560 an inca emperor that was being tortured to death? Uh? 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.040 What else? The Chinese, of course, they had their own 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.439 um by a thousand BC, and they had twenty four 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.280 divisions in a year. Yeah, they had the most complex one, 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.080 probably of all time. Not surprising. Um, I don't know 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.440 why that's not surprising. They're complex people. Maybe. Well, when 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.800 I think of the zodiac, I think of the Western 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.400 zodiac and then Chinese zodiac. Yeah, me too, And the 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.960 only thing I knew about Chinese zodiac coming in was 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.920 what year animal? I was what are you? From the 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.840 menu at the Chinese restaurant? That's where I learned it too. Yeah, 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:32.040 I'm the dog. Oh I'm a dragon? Yeah wolf? Jerry? 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:37.400 Are you a cat? She just me out. That was weird. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:43.600 It was her first instant. There is a year the cat? Huh? 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.040 That al Stewart's song are you the Year of the Fish? 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.480 Jerry alight? Like? Jerry's said that she was the Ox 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.679 year of the Ox. But when she out, but what 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.439 she's called upon to do? It? Animal? Sound? I think? 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.160 Excute it what if oxes oxen me out. Maybe an 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:04.640 ox that was raised by cats and it imprinted might 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.360 learn to me out. I think that's what Jerry was saying. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.440 This is getting silly, and the horoscope points getting silly. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.200 It is is there gas leaking in? Uh? One of 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.320 our events that I don't know about? Um? Alright, So 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.120 back to china UM twenty four divisions twenty eight part 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.320 lunar zodiac and then the twelve branches that correspond to 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.640 the animal, and then those animals have further subdivisions. Uh, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:34.040 like you could be a fire dog or a water dragon, right, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.680 which we'll get to that stuff in a minute too. Yeah. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.560 And I didn't know that you could be like an 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.240 elemental animal. I thought it was just straight up animal. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.040 I did not know that either. Yeah. Like that's one 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.720 thing about astrology. No matter what system you're looking at, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.199 there's like, oh, there's this one layer and then let's 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.560 add this other layer and another layer and another layer. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.640 That's so fascinates me. It's just the thought that's going 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.760 into it. Sure. What about Babylon though, what do you mean? Well? 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.840 I mean, ohh that's like the origin of the Western Yeah, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:09.560 and here's where it becomes painfully obvious that astrology can't 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.319 possibly be correct or real. Yeah, I know what you're 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:16.520 about to say. So our idea of the constellations here 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.360 in the West came from the ancient Babylonian people and 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.960 astronomers and astrologers who looked up and they said, oh, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:28.360 Mars is red, so blood can be read, so Mars 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.000 is probably associated with war. Right. They just kind of 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.240 just made that up. They made it up, and that 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:39.160 is fundamentally the basis of astrology. Stuff that was made 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.480 up by the Babylonians can't possibly be true. It's just 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.199 basically a fact. The other big thing is the Babylonians 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.280 divided the zodiac into twelve equal parts. But um, according 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:56.719 to their own stories, there were thirteen constellations in the zodiac. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.920 So they just picked one and left it out, Yes, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:08.440 which is choose. I like how you said that. I 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.360 don't know, man, I've never tried to say that out loud. 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.120 O p h I U c h U s. It's 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.360 like the hidden zodiac symbol, well not hidden. They just 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.400 kind of said, twelve kind of works out better, so 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.920 let's just leave it out. Yeah, and if the Babylonians 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.760 prove anything. It's that for thousands of years, humans have 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.160 always preferred things to be nice and tidy and neat. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.320 They don't like it to be messy because if you 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.560 really look at what they were trying to do, it's 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.880 super messy. So, for example, if you are dividing the 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.600 night sky into twelve trying to assign a month to 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:45.520 each horoscope, you've got constellations slopping over into other um 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.800 zodiac signs UM. The the actual movement of the constellations 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.600 behind the sun uh is way less than a thirty 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.280 day standard. Yeah. I think Scorpio is actually in line 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:01.720 with the sun for about seven days out of the year, 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.520 whereas Um, one of one of the other ones is 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.400 around for like forty five days, I believe. I don't know. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.280 I don't think we even said what that means, though, 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.360 maybe where we should? We should start from the beginning, 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.880 shall we? We got the history down? Yeah? Do you 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.680 want to take a break first? Uh? Yeah, why not? 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.560 I'll go check my horscope and see if it says 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:42.439 we should continue. Okay, Well, lucky for us, the horroscope 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.480 said finished show, It said ask again later, Yeah, it 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.320 said finished show the magic take it easy, on me. Yeah, hey, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:56.040 layoff jerks. I had even resolved to not poo poo astrology. 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.640 I think the first thing I did was launched into it. Yeah, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.880 I'm are astrology, so we should get to the basics 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:10.600 of all this, and um, we will this. There's two 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.240 things that we have to point out. One, we would 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:19.480 have to spend years researching astrology to really get everything right. Yes. Too, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.200 even if we spent years researching astrology, we would still 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.720 get stuff wrong depending on who you are, because there's 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.400 a lot of contradictory things like, for example, I saw 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.320 that the moon is a fire sign. Also saw that 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.120 the moon is associated with water. How is that? Well, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.040 I think there's just been so many permutations over the 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.200 years that it's you know, been kind of mixed together. Okay, 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.720 so we are going to get things that will contradict 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.960 your understanding of astrology, I'm quite sure. But for the 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.600 most part, I feel like if we're sticking to the 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.280 basics of it, we can get it fairly right. Right, Yeah, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.960 I mean the most basic thing is sun sign astrology, 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.680 which is really just seeing where each planet was when 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:03.760 you were born the day you were born. That's the 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.320 most simplistic way to look at it, right, and when 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.320 you ask somebody what's your sign? What's your sign? See 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.640 piss okay, I'm cancer. All that's saying is that on 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:19.960 the date of our births, the Pisces constellation allegedly was 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.600 behind the sun as it rose, right, and when I 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.320 was born, the Cancer constellation was behind the sun when 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.000 it rose, and the I like to think the sunshine 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.480 a little brighter when we were born, but probably I 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.120 can't prove that, no, but you can just make a 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.520 pretty good assumption. So um. The way that you do 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.440 this is you basically take the Sun and the Earth 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:44.800 in its orbit around the Sun, which equals a year, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.920 and you draw a line, an arrow even from the 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.360 Earth and may put it flat, lay it flat. I 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.160 forgot to say that, uh, And you make it. You 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.640 draw an arrow from the Earth through the Sun and 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.840 then out the other side of the Sun. And where 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.240 of the arrows pointing, which is actually what the opposite 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.000 side of the Sun, opposite to Earth, whatever constellation that is, 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.680 that's your son. Right. Pretty simple stuff, right, So you 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.040 can think of the if if you've thought of a 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:18.400 circle around each if you looked at it as a circle, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:24.480 each sign would be its own little zone zone exactly. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.200 A pizza slice, a pie slice, whatever. If you have 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.320 a sweet tooth or a salty tooth, you're gonna go 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.800 with either one of those. What about cake? I guess 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.160 a cake too. Are you cake or pie both? Mm hmm. 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.840 What's your favorite cake? I like a good coconut cream 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:46.920 cake or coconut frosting cake. I like, um, it's your 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:52.080 favorite pie? Probably you can cream pie. No, actually that 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.560 sounds gross. I would say a key like a good 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.560 key lime pie. But does cheesecake constitute pie? I think 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.560 you've just opened up a hornet's nest. Well, I love cheesecake. Basically, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.359 I don't really discriminate. I've learned. I recently started trying 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:11.360 cherry pie, and I was like, where have you been 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.479 my whole life? Why did I ever discriminate against? You know, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.840 it's just been sitting there in the pie safe, rotting 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:22.120 because no one eats cherry pie anymore. Yeah, and then 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.160 I came along and ate all the rotten cherry pie 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.800 and loved it all right. What about you cake pie? Oh? 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.040 I love the good key lime pies like you were saying, 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.359 But um, I don't eat a lot of either. You know, 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.280 and just keep like cake and pie around the house. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.520 It's probably a good And I don't really eat dessert 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:44.960 in the restaurants either, um, so just neither. Probably more cake, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.879 just because cakes are the occasion dessert, like people bringing 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.360 cake for birthdays or whatever. Any any like Publix cake 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.399 is awesome. There's standard cake with cream icing. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.399 I never had it. Oh, chuck, I'll bring your slice 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:03.239 like a good peacan pie. Eat the pecan now. But 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.000 I used to not like the nuts. I would just 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.800 slice that off because I like the jelly. You'd get 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.399 rid of the candy pecans. Yeah, but I don't now 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.880 because now I'm growing up. Okay, just eat the jelly man, 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.800 pecan pie, pumpkin pie. Sure, all right, I'm going all 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.040 in on pie now that I think about it. Okay, pie, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.200 all right, Okay, wait till you try the public's cake. Though. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.760 Where are we? Oh? Sorry? We were talking about how slices, right, 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.600 and each of one of those slices one of the 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:37.560 twelve constellations of the zodiac. Right, Okay, So wherever wherever 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.840 the Earth, whatever constellation is opposite the Earth on the 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.280 other side of the Sun, that's your sun sign. And 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.960 when you were born. That constellation has a bunch of 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.840 different personality traits and they are basically imbued onto you. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.639 You were born under that sign, which means you're going 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.200 to have those personality traits. That's the point of what's 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:02.400 called the sun sign. That's right um in Western astrology. 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.679 There you can subdivide it into three groups. Mundane astrology, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.320 and this is basically what what is your aim uh 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.920 with these Mundane astrology is examines world events and makes 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:18.919 predictions about big things like the economy and war. Interrogatory 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.800 astrology it seeks to make predictions very specific ones or 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:28.040 analyzes for events or your life maybe like for you 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.240 the individual. Yeah. More like you say, it's like when 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.080 you when somebody says they'll consult the stars to see 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.080 what the best course of action is. That's what they're 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.840 talking about, which seems like it overlaps with uh the 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:42.320 last one. I think all three of them could definitely, Like, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.760 if you're doing like a serious chart to figure out 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.920 something a deep dive you you would probably do all three. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:54.560 So what would that be? Natal astrology uh and birth astrology. Yeah, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.919 and that's when you read your daily horoscope. Uh. And 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.600 that's based on the idea that every thing that happens 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.800 to someone is expressed by the very beginning, like that 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.920 moment you were born, right, But ironically, the moment you're born, 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.120 not the moment you were conceived. So really that's when 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.600 the astrology starts, not the moment you were conceived, but 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.359 the moment you were born. Right. But the idea, this 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.280 law of beginning says that the moment you're born, the 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.560 stars basically make everything in your life predestined and therefore 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.640 predictable if the person knows how to read the stars correctly. 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.720 That's the basis of astrology. Yeah, and then what you 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.439 would come up with these predictions this chart that is 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:38.760 your horoscope. That's right, and then uh, there are different 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.600 um the signs that can be subgrouped into four elements 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.440 you've heard of, Like I'm a water sign, your water sign. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.919 Sure we're both water signs. How about that? Yeah, so 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:56.359 fire sign that would be Aries Leo, Sagittarius h enthusiasm, action, leadership, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.000 open to change water signs. Besides cancer and Pisces, you've 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:09.119 get Scorpio um emotion, sensitivity and compassion or signs Taurus Virgo, Capricorn, practicality, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.479 and to focus on material goals. And then air signs 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.280 jim and I libra inaquarius into signifies intellect, and those 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.320 are the big groupings, the elemental groupings. Right, So here 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.600 we've kind of come up with another layer, right, like 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:28.120 since each each sign on its own has its own 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:35.400 qualities like for example, um, the cancer is very domestic, imaginative, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.840 thorough shy, interested in the past, and tradition. That's me 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:43.080 all over? Is it really all those things? Yeah, basically, um. 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:47.400 But the then you lay over the water sign, right, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.680 that it's a water sign, So that adds to the 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.080 emotion or the sensitivity or the compassion of it. That 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.960 the where it really starts to get interesting is the 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.399 idea that there's a relationship between mean, the element in 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:09.560 the sign and those are with the cardinal fixed or mutable. Um, right, 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.280 whether or not you're resistant to change, you're able to change, 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:18.040 or what's cardinal just general movement. Cardinal is that it moves, right. 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.200 So so these three things, it's like a whole other layer. 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.760 And and basically, um, so they have to do with 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.920 the solstices and the equinoxes. We should say there's a 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:33.880 couple of kinds of Western astrology. One is sidereal, which 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.520 follows the movement of the stars, so your birth sign 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:41.240 is sidereal astrology. There's another one called tropical that really 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:43.760 just has nothing to do with the stars. It's the 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:49.199 idea that around the in the cosmos, the zodiac is 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.640 fixed and it really has nothing to do with the stars. 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:54.639 It has to do with the sun's relative position to 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:56.399 the horizon, so it has to do with things like 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.959 solstices and equinoxes. So when you go into the tropic 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.840 goal um type of astrology, that's when the cardinal fixed 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:08.560 a mutable comes up, so a cardinal sign. Right, each 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:13.280 element has a cardinal sign, so there's four cardinal signs, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:18.000 and for example, cancer is the cardinal water sign. Right. 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.719 Each element also has four fixed signs, so Leo is 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:26.160 the fixed fire sign. That has to do with like persistence, perseverance, 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:31.719 resistance to change. And then lastly, mutable means you're flexible, adaptable, suggestible, 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.720 and Gemini is a mutable air sign. There's four different 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.040 mutable airsigns, right, So you put them all together, and 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.040 what you have is in our interaction between the elements 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:45.840 and the signs themselves, so that you have sometimes contradictory stuff. 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:50.200 You have things that enhance other things, but it's yet 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.719 another layer. So now you have three layers deep of 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.520 interpretations of just the signs, and it's up to an 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:02.960 astrologer to um ex extract whatever however they want to 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:06.000 read it. Basically, like Ed makes a point, you can 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:09.080 ask a hundred different astrologers to look at your your 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:11.760 chart and they might give you a hundred different readings. Yeah, 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:17.160 because it's ultimately the astrologers interpretation of the information that's 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.080 presented by these the signs and whether they're cardinal or 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:23.639 fixture mutable, or what element they are. Right, Well, they 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.800 can also be masculine or feminine, which Ed points out 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.040 is not really that can't think of in terms of gender. 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.360 It's more like the concept of yin and yang, which 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.800 makes a little more sense. But when I look at 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:41.879 mine Pisces February twenty to March um mutable water feminine. Okay, 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:48.120 so that's where I am. Emotional, sure, self sacrificing, sometimes, adaptable, 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:56.160 sometimes empathetic, almost always religious, not anymore versatile, Yeah, sure, 0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:01.080