1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Everybody, it's your friend Josh. And for this week's Select, 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: I chose our two thousand sixteen episode on horoscopes. And 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I was pretty proud of us on this one because 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: we took something that both Chuck and I were incredulous 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: about and we talked about it on its own terms, 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: which can be tough to do. So I'm kind of 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: proud of this one, and I hope you at the 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: very least enjoy it, if not feel proud of us too. 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over here and 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: we're just relaxing here in Studio one A. So this 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: stuff you should know? Oh I thought it was astro Chad. Yeah, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: that's what we would call a great name or horoscope 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: or podcast. Say horror scope. No, you shouldn't say that. No, 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: would you ever want to do a horoscope or astrology podcast? 17 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: What do you mean on its own? Not see that? Well? 18 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: We were talking about this briefly until I didn't do 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: it this time, but normally whenever this is a secret 20 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Chuck that I'm about to share with everybody the pre 21 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: taping secret. Yeah. If we start to talk and get 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: too involved in the topic before we start recording, usually 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: one of us will be like, stop, stop, this is 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: golden to save it for the podcast. We didn't do 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: that this time. I think we just kind of naturally 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: dis continue conversations with right. But um, you were saying 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: that you are, and I don't know if you're ready 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: to admit this or not this early in the episode. 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: You're a little incredulous about horoscopes and astrology. Yes, okay, Um, 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I am as well. But the think the difference between 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: us is you're just kind of like, come on, And 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: as I was researching it more and more, I was like, 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: this is really interesting. I could say here and read 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: about this like all day, and now that it's been 35 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: brought up, I'm like, I could probably do a skeptical 36 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: but not with the aim to like destroy it, but 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: just from a skeptic standpoint podcast on astrology. I think 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: that that would fascinate me personally and like one day maybe, 39 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: So Yeah, I think we we got on that because 40 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: I was having a hard time wrapping my head around 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: a couple of I'm not gonna say scientific parts, but 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: a couple of the science science parts of this, and 43 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: I kept going back to, like, cares it's not real, 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to commit to the learning 45 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: of it. And we typically have a thing where it's like, 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, poo poo people's beliefs. We're not really doing 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: that here, but there have been a couple of occasions 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: where we just kind of like this is there's just 49 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: no way. One of them was crop circles. Yeah, um, 50 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm I don't plan on poo pooing this throughout, but 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: I think it's good for us to state our beliefs 52 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: from the get go, all right, so that we don't 53 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: mislead anybody who's who does believe in it. Well, here's 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: I did. I had my astrological chart done once. Um 55 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, I didn't like seek it out and 56 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: pay for it. My friend's mom is really into this, 57 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: and she asked me one time, She's like, do you 58 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: want me to do your chart? And I went sure, 59 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: So she did my chart and I remember looking at 60 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: it and thinking like, wow, a lot of this, you know. 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: It kind of like when you look at your sun 62 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: sign and we'll go ahead and say that's what most 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: like like when somebody says what sign are you? Yeah, 64 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: or if you read your daily horoscope, it's it's based 65 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: on your sun sign um. I would look at things 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: like that, or like my whatever my year is on 67 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: the Chinese zodio. I can think like, oh wow, I 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: am some of these things. But then I'm like, not 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: about half of those things. So I just think it's interesting. 70 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting as well, but again from 71 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: a standpoint of where I don't actually believe it's effective 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: or real, but just the thought put into it. And 73 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Ed wrote this article the Grabster, and he makes a 74 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: really good point saying like, even if you don't believe 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: it or not getting your your chart done is interesting 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: in and of itself. I think so sure. And at 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: the very least, it's going to force you to be 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: a little more introspective about yourself than than you normally 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: would be, because you're being presented with basically like here's 80 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: your personality according to the cosmos, and it's you can't 81 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: help but think, what, like am I introspective? Am I 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: do I set things on fire? I think anything that 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: can spur self reflection is valuable in some ways. Yes, 84 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: I think that's where interesting, Like I would go to 85 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: a palm reader just to know what that's like, but 86 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave thinking like, oh boy, my life is 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: set out for me. Yeah, exactly. You know Nancy Reagan, 88 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that. So but spoiler, I am 89 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: not Nancy Reagan. We we should probably say for those 90 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: of you who are confused, they're like, how are they 91 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: pooh pooing this? Like this is the science of of 92 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Nil deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan. I don't understand. We're 93 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: talking about astrology, not astronomy. Um. So. Astrology is basically 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the idea um that distant objects out on the cosmos, planets, stars, 95 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: constellations specifically have an influence on our lives and events 96 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: on the planet. And it's very old. Um. I saw 97 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: as far back as five thousand years ago people were 98 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: starting to develop astrological systems. UM. I saw more frequently 99 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: three thousand years ago with the Babylonians that Western astrology 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: kind of started to develop. Should we talk about history 101 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: a little bit? I think I finally figured out my 102 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: beef with it. Should I hold on to that or 103 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: should we talk about history first? That's up to you, man, 104 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: how do you want it to play out? I just 105 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: don't forget if you hang onto it all right, I'm 106 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: gonna write beef at the top of my page. It's 107 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna carrying yourself to shoot a duck later on. Okay, 108 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: So it's like memento. I'll come back to that. Uh 109 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: So history, Um, we need to go back in the 110 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: way back machine, the way way back to ancient times, 111 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: to Babylon. Yeah, when basically people mean we are going 112 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: back to Babylon. Basically when people were like looking around 113 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: at everything and going, I don't get it. Why is 114 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: all this stuff happening? Why did the earth just open 115 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: up and swallow yishmail? Why is it raining? Why is 116 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: it not raining? Why are the crops doing well? Are 117 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: they doing terribly? Yeah? Why it was that sun? Uh 118 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: up half the day and down half the day. Uh So, 119 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: as humans started to get a little more I don't 120 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: know about intelligent, but um, inquisitive. Inquisitive. I was about 121 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: to say answer seeky, but inquisitive is the word for that. 122 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: As they started to get a little more answer seeky, 123 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: they started to make things up. Um that made them 124 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: feel better about what was going on, Right, I mean 125 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: they they did apply a certain measure of science too, 126 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: which is where a lot of people who believe in 127 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: astrology get the idea that it's scientific at some in 128 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, because it does involve the movement, 129 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: studying and tracking the movement of the planets and the 130 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: constellations the cosmos, right, Yeah, And that makes a good point. 131 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Back then, astronomy and astrology were the same thing, right, right, 132 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: because you took those observations astronomy and then you you 133 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: used them to predict or explain the stuff that was 134 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: going on here on Earth, right, which we now call astrology, right, Yeah, 135 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't even know what they called it 136 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: back then. They called it reality, probably so. But it 137 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: wasn't just the Babylonians who were doing this, Like all 138 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: over the planet. Basically every culture that's ever lived had 139 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: some sort of astrological system. Yeah. The Aztec and Incas 140 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: and the mines in South America they had zodiac of 141 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: twenty symbols, including things like earthquake and ape and rain 142 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and um. When they died out, they took it with them. 143 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Like that doesn't have any It didn't seep into modern 144 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: forms of astrology like the Babylonians. No, no, Spanish. Jesuit 145 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: was saying, so can you explain your astrological system to 146 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: an inca emperor that was being tortured to death? Uh? 147 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: What else? The Chinese, of course, they had their own 148 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: um by a thousand BC, and they had twenty four 149 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: divisions in a year. Yeah, they had the most complex one, 150 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: probably of all time. Not surprising. Um, I don't know 151 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: why that's not surprising. They're complex people. Maybe. Well, when 152 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I think of the zodiac, I think of the Western 153 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: zodiac and then Chinese zodiac. Yeah, me too, And the 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: only thing I knew about Chinese zodiac coming in was 155 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: what year animal? I was what are you? From the 156 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: menu at the Chinese restaurant? That's where I learned it too. Yeah, 157 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm the dog. Oh I'm a dragon? Yeah wolf? Jerry? 158 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Are you a cat? She just me out. That was weird. 159 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: It was her first instant. There is a year the cat? Huh? 160 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: That al Stewart's song are you the Year of the Fish? 161 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: Jerry alight? Like? Jerry's said that she was the Ox 162 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: year of the Ox. But when she out, but what 163 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: she's called upon to do? It? Animal? Sound? I think? 164 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Excute it what if oxes oxen me out. Maybe an 165 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: ox that was raised by cats and it imprinted might 166 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: learn to me out. I think that's what Jerry was saying. 167 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: This is getting silly, and the horoscope points getting silly. 168 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: It is is there gas leaking in? Uh? One of 169 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: our events that I don't know about? Um? Alright, So 170 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: back to china UM twenty four divisions twenty eight part 171 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: lunar zodiac and then the twelve branches that correspond to 172 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: the animal, and then those animals have further subdivisions. Uh, 173 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: like you could be a fire dog or a water dragon, right, 174 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: which we'll get to that stuff in a minute too. Yeah. 175 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: And I didn't know that you could be like an 176 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: elemental animal. I thought it was just straight up animal. 177 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: I did not know that either. Yeah. Like that's one 178 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: thing about astrology. No matter what system you're looking at, 179 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: there's like, oh, there's this one layer and then let's 180 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: add this other layer and another layer and another layer. 181 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: That's so fascinates me. It's just the thought that's going 182 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: into it. Sure. What about Babylon though, what do you mean? Well? 183 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, ohh that's like the origin of the Western Yeah, 184 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: and here's where it becomes painfully obvious that astrology can't 185 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: possibly be correct or real. Yeah, I know what you're 186 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: about to say. So our idea of the constellations here 187 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: in the West came from the ancient Babylonian people and 188 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: astronomers and astrologers who looked up and they said, oh, 189 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Mars is red, so blood can be read, so Mars 190 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: is probably associated with war. Right. They just kind of 191 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: just made that up. They made it up, and that 192 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: is fundamentally the basis of astrology. Stuff that was made 193 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: up by the Babylonians can't possibly be true. It's just 194 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: basically a fact. The other big thing is the Babylonians 195 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: divided the zodiac into twelve equal parts. But um, according 196 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: to their own stories, there were thirteen constellations in the zodiac. 197 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: So they just picked one and left it out, Yes, 198 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: which is choose. I like how you said that. I 199 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I've never tried to say that out loud. 200 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: O p h I U c h U s. It's 201 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: like the hidden zodiac symbol, well not hidden. They just 202 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of said, twelve kind of works out better, so 203 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: let's just leave it out. Yeah, and if the Babylonians 204 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: prove anything. It's that for thousands of years, humans have 205 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: always preferred things to be nice and tidy and neat. 206 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: They don't like it to be messy because if you 207 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: really look at what they were trying to do, it's 208 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: super messy. So, for example, if you are dividing the 209 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: night sky into twelve trying to assign a month to 210 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: each horoscope, you've got constellations slopping over into other um 211 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: zodiac signs UM. The the actual movement of the constellations 212 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: behind the sun uh is way less than a thirty 213 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: day standard. Yeah. I think Scorpio is actually in line 214 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: with the sun for about seven days out of the year, 215 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: whereas Um, one of one of the other ones is 216 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: around for like forty five days, I believe. I don't know. 217 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we even said what that means, though, 218 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: maybe where we should? We should start from the beginning, 219 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: shall we? We got the history down? Yeah? Do you 220 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: want to take a break first? Uh? Yeah, why not? 221 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: I'll go check my horscope and see if it says 222 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: we should continue. Okay, Well, lucky for us, the horroscope 223 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: said finished show, It said ask again later, Yeah, it 224 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: said finished show the magic take it easy, on me. Yeah, hey, 225 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: layoff jerks. I had even resolved to not poo poo astrology. 226 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: I think the first thing I did was launched into it. Yeah, 227 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: I'm are astrology, so we should get to the basics 228 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: of all this, and um, we will this. There's two 229 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: things that we have to point out. One, we would 230 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: have to spend years researching astrology to really get everything right. Yes. Too, 231 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: even if we spent years researching astrology, we would still 232 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: get stuff wrong depending on who you are, because there's 233 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: a lot of contradictory things like, for example, I saw 234 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: that the moon is a fire sign. Also saw that 235 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: the moon is associated with water. How is that? Well, 236 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I think there's just been so many permutations over the 237 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: years that it's you know, been kind of mixed together. Okay, 238 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: so we are going to get things that will contradict 239 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: your understanding of astrology, I'm quite sure. But for the 240 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: most part, I feel like if we're sticking to the 241 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: basics of it, we can get it fairly right. Right, Yeah, 242 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean the most basic thing is sun sign astrology, 243 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: which is really just seeing where each planet was when 244 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: you were born the day you were born. That's the 245 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: most simplistic way to look at it, right, and when 246 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: you ask somebody what's your sign? What's your sign? See 247 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: piss okay, I'm cancer. All that's saying is that on 248 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: the date of our births, the Pisces constellation allegedly was 249 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: behind the sun as it rose, right, and when I 250 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: was born, the Cancer constellation was behind the sun when 251 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: it rose, and the I like to think the sunshine 252 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: a little brighter when we were born, but probably I 253 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: can't prove that, no, but you can just make a 254 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: pretty good assumption. So um. The way that you do 255 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: this is you basically take the Sun and the Earth 256 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: in its orbit around the Sun, which equals a year, 257 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: and you draw a line, an arrow even from the 258 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: Earth and may put it flat, lay it flat. I 259 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: forgot to say that, uh, And you make it. You 260 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: draw an arrow from the Earth through the Sun and 261 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: then out the other side of the Sun. And where 262 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: of the arrows pointing, which is actually what the opposite 263 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: side of the Sun, opposite to Earth, whatever constellation that is, 264 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: that's your son. Right. Pretty simple stuff, right, So you 265 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: can think of the if if you've thought of a 266 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: circle around each if you looked at it as a circle, 267 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: each sign would be its own little zone zone exactly. 268 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: A pizza slice, a pie slice, whatever. If you have 269 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: a sweet tooth or a salty tooth, you're gonna go 270 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: with either one of those. What about cake? I guess 271 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: a cake too. Are you cake or pie both? Mm hmm. 272 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: What's your favorite cake? I like a good coconut cream 273 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: cake or coconut frosting cake. I like, um, it's your 274 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: favorite pie? Probably you can cream pie. No, actually that 275 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: sounds gross. I would say a key like a good 276 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: key lime pie. But does cheesecake constitute pie? I think 277 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: you've just opened up a hornet's nest. Well, I love cheesecake. Basically, 278 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't really discriminate. I've learned. I recently started trying 279 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: cherry pie, and I was like, where have you been 280 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,479 Speaker 1: my whole life? Why did I ever discriminate against? You know, 281 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: it's just been sitting there in the pie safe, rotting 282 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: because no one eats cherry pie anymore. Yeah, and then 283 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: I came along and ate all the rotten cherry pie 284 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: and loved it all right. What about you cake pie? Oh? 285 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: I love the good key lime pies like you were saying, 286 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: But um, I don't eat a lot of either. You know, 287 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: and just keep like cake and pie around the house. 288 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: It's probably a good And I don't really eat dessert 289 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: in the restaurants either, um, so just neither. Probably more cake, 290 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: just because cakes are the occasion dessert, like people bringing 291 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: cake for birthdays or whatever. Any any like Publix cake 292 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: is awesome. There's standard cake with cream icing. Yeah, yeah, 293 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: I never had it. Oh, chuck, I'll bring your slice 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 1: like a good peacan pie. Eat the pecan now. But 295 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: I used to not like the nuts. I would just 296 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: slice that off because I like the jelly. You'd get 297 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: rid of the candy pecans. Yeah, but I don't now 298 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: because now I'm growing up. Okay, just eat the jelly man, 299 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: pecan pie, pumpkin pie. Sure, all right, I'm going all 300 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: in on pie now that I think about it. Okay, pie, 301 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: all right, Okay, wait till you try the public's cake. Though. 302 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Where are we? Oh? Sorry? We were talking about how slices, right, 303 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: and each of one of those slices one of the 304 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: twelve constellations of the zodiac. Right, Okay, So wherever wherever 305 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: the Earth, whatever constellation is opposite the Earth on the 306 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: other side of the Sun, that's your sun sign. And 307 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: when you were born. That constellation has a bunch of 308 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: different personality traits and they are basically imbued onto you. 309 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: You were born under that sign, which means you're going 310 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: to have those personality traits. That's the point of what's 311 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: called the sun sign. That's right um in Western astrology. 312 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: There you can subdivide it into three groups. Mundane astrology, 313 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: and this is basically what what is your aim uh 314 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: with these Mundane astrology is examines world events and makes 315 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: predictions about big things like the economy and war. Interrogatory 316 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: astrology it seeks to make predictions very specific ones or 317 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: analyzes for events or your life maybe like for you 318 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: the individual. Yeah. More like you say, it's like when 319 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: you when somebody says they'll consult the stars to see 320 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: what the best course of action is. That's what they're 321 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: talking about, which seems like it overlaps with uh the 322 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: last one. I think all three of them could definitely, Like, 323 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: if you're doing like a serious chart to figure out 324 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: something a deep dive you you would probably do all three. 325 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: So what would that be? Natal astrology uh and birth astrology. Yeah, 326 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: and that's when you read your daily horoscope. Uh. And 327 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: that's based on the idea that every thing that happens 328 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: to someone is expressed by the very beginning, like that 329 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: moment you were born, right, But ironically, the moment you're born, 330 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: not the moment you were conceived. So really that's when 331 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: the astrology starts, not the moment you were conceived, but 332 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: the moment you were born. Right. But the idea, this 333 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: law of beginning says that the moment you're born, the 334 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: stars basically make everything in your life predestined and therefore 335 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: predictable if the person knows how to read the stars correctly. 336 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: That's the basis of astrology. Yeah, and then what you 337 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: would come up with these predictions this chart that is 338 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: your horoscope. That's right, and then uh, there are different 339 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: um the signs that can be subgrouped into four elements 340 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: you've heard of, Like I'm a water sign, your water sign. 341 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: Sure we're both water signs. How about that? Yeah, so 342 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: fire sign that would be Aries Leo, Sagittarius h enthusiasm, action, leadership, 343 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: open to change water signs. Besides cancer and Pisces, you've 344 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: get Scorpio um emotion, sensitivity and compassion or signs Taurus Virgo, Capricorn, practicality, 345 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: and to focus on material goals. And then air signs 346 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: jim and I libra inaquarius into signifies intellect, and those 347 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: are the big groupings, the elemental groupings. Right, So here 348 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: we've kind of come up with another layer, right, like 349 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: since each each sign on its own has its own 350 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: qualities like for example, um, the cancer is very domestic, imaginative, 351 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: thorough shy, interested in the past, and tradition. That's me 352 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: all over? Is it really all those things? Yeah, basically, um. 353 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: But the then you lay over the water sign, right, 354 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: that it's a water sign, So that adds to the 355 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: emotion or the sensitivity or the compassion of it. That 356 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: the where it really starts to get interesting is the 357 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: idea that there's a relationship between mean, the element in 358 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: the sign and those are with the cardinal fixed or mutable. Um, right, 359 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: whether or not you're resistant to change, you're able to change, 360 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: or what's cardinal just general movement. Cardinal is that it moves, right. 361 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: So so these three things, it's like a whole other layer. 362 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: And and basically, um, so they have to do with 363 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: the solstices and the equinoxes. We should say there's a 364 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: couple of kinds of Western astrology. One is sidereal, which 365 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: follows the movement of the stars, so your birth sign 366 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: is sidereal astrology. There's another one called tropical that really 367 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: just has nothing to do with the stars. It's the 368 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: idea that around the in the cosmos, the zodiac is 369 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: fixed and it really has nothing to do with the stars. 370 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: It has to do with the sun's relative position to 371 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: the horizon, so it has to do with things like 372 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: solstices and equinoxes. So when you go into the tropic 373 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: goal um type of astrology, that's when the cardinal fixed 374 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: a mutable comes up, so a cardinal sign. Right, each 375 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: element has a cardinal sign, so there's four cardinal signs, 376 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: and for example, cancer is the cardinal water sign. Right. 377 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: Each element also has four fixed signs, so Leo is 378 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: the fixed fire sign. That has to do with like persistence, perseverance, 379 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 1: resistance to change. And then lastly, mutable means you're flexible, adaptable, suggestible, 380 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and Gemini is a mutable air sign. There's four different 381 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: mutable airsigns, right, So you put them all together, and 382 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: what you have is in our interaction between the elements 383 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: and the signs themselves, so that you have sometimes contradictory stuff. 384 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: You have things that enhance other things, but it's yet 385 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: another layer. So now you have three layers deep of 386 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: interpretations of just the signs, and it's up to an 387 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: astrologer to um ex extract whatever however they want to 388 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: read it. Basically, like Ed makes a point, you can 389 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: ask a hundred different astrologers to look at your your 390 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: chart and they might give you a hundred different readings. Yeah, 391 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: because it's ultimately the astrologers interpretation of the information that's 392 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: presented by these the signs and whether they're cardinal or 393 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: fixture mutable, or what element they are. Right, Well, they 394 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: can also be masculine or feminine, which Ed points out 395 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: is not really that can't think of in terms of gender. 396 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: It's more like the concept of yin and yang, which 397 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: makes a little more sense. But when I look at 398 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: mine Pisces February twenty to March um mutable water feminine. Okay, 399 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: so that's where I am. Emotional, sure, self sacrificing, sometimes, adaptable, 400 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: sometimes empathetic, almost always religious, not anymore versatile, Yeah, sure, 401 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: talkative sometimes you get paid for it. Yeah, when sometimes 402 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm really quiet though, don't want to talk okay, you know, 403 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: but that goes against all astrology often takes on the 404 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: behaviors of others. I don't know about that. Creative, I hope. Impractical, No, 405 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty practical. So like, but more like half and 406 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: half maybe would you say half? I feel like you did, 407 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: or maybe more? Maybe that sounds about right all right, 408 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: but even still, I mean, that doesn't prove anything, no, 409 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: of course not. But it did just get you to 410 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: think about yourself exactly. That's the whole point, right from 411 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: what I understand. That's how it tells you. So you've 412 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: got all these different layers to just your just the 413 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: sign that you were born under, right, yes, but there's 414 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: even there's even deeper layers to the whole thing. Right, 415 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: that has to do with the movement of the constellations 416 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: or the movement of the sun. Um. And it also 417 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: has to do with more than just the sign you 418 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: were born under. Like when you sit down and you 419 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: do and astro a lot gical chart, you um, you're 420 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you're basically looking at the position of everything that's take 421 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: into into account in the cosmos, rather than just where 422 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: the constellation, what constellation was behind the someone you were born. Well, 423 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: we're going to dive even deeper into this stuff after 424 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: this message break. So Chuck, we're talking about how we've 425 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: got like the fixed layers, right, and then depending on 426 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: when you were born, where you're born, there's a lot 427 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: of stuff to take into account. And with the wind 428 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: meaning like literally the minute yes and second yeah, because um, 429 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: one of the zodiacs, uh, well, the houses when you 430 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: add this other layer, the houses of the zodiac, which 431 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: are the same thing as the zodiac signs, but they're 432 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: different in this case, they represent the twenty four hour 433 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: movement of the Earth on its axis. Um. So now 434 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: you have the added layer of time, yeah, to the 435 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: to the moment that you were born, um, to to 436 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: create a genuine like astrology chart. So not only you're 437 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: taking into account time and your sun sign, but you 438 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 1: also want to look around if you're a good astrologer, 439 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: and say, okay, where was the moon, what house was 440 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: the was venus in? And you start to you start 441 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: to basically go through and find the position of every planet, 442 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,959 Speaker 1: including the Sun in the moon. Um, and the moon 443 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: are considered planets right as far as astrology goes. Right, 444 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: And then when you put all this stuff together, there's 445 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: a huge extremely complex interplay between all these different um 446 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: components that are all supposed to point to the person 447 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: that you were born as. Right, That's this is where 448 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: I think I should say my beef now, I think 449 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: it's a good time for that. My beef is that 450 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: I couldn't find anywhere. And this is me looking for 451 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 1: science where there is none. Is why, like the position 452 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: of the stars and they all affect who you are 453 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: and uh and and what you're gonna be Like all right, 454 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: well explain that to me. How does it do that? Oh? Yeah, 455 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: that's what forces, what scientific forces are behind this zero 456 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: that caused this? Like, I get what you're saying. People, 457 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: The stars are aligned and these things are all in 458 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: a certain place and you're gonna be a certain way. 459 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: All right, Well, how does it do that? It doesn't. 460 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: That's where that's my beef. So I mean that's a 461 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: legitimate beef. Um, there's no how, No, there's not. Yeah, 462 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: there's none. I guess I'm not hung up on that fact. 463 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: I think I just kind of accept it. And it's 464 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: almost like coming upon uh and the belief system of 465 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: another culture. Yeah, it's like I don't subscribe to it, 466 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: but I'm interested in like what what they believe and 467 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: how it applies to their life. But that doesn't mean 468 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: that I believe in it. I'm just I'm just kind 469 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: of interested in in an academic sense. Yeah, yeah, well 470 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: you're we're curious people, so I get that, right, Just 471 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: so get hung up on the fact that it doesn't 472 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: actually work, and you'll you'll be interested in I promise now. 473 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting. And I used to read 474 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: my horoscope here and there just for fun, just the 475 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: same way I look at a fortune cookie. Um, it's 476 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: just a parlor trick. That to me though it's not. 477 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: But I think an astrologer even if they even if 478 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: they said, fine, you don't believe in it, that's fine, 479 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: But this is more than a parlor trick, Like they're 480 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: really sitting down and applying this. It takes a tremendous 481 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: amount of time calculation, Um, a certain measure of of science. 482 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: You have to understand astronomy at least, because you have 483 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: to go figure out when someone was born where, what 484 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: was where right? And so when you're sitting down and 485 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: doing your chart, you were born Pisces right, So the 486 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: Pisces constellation was behind the sun, but where was Saturn. 487 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: And why would Saturn matter? Well, Saturn is a melancholy planet. 488 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: So if Saturn is in a house associated with happiness, um, 489 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: you might have a thread of bitter sweetness that runs 490 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: through your whole life. That might be one interpretation of it. 491 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: Or you might be happy sometimes and sad sometimes maybe 492 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: just every person ever, sure, I mean yeah, definitely. And 493 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: again I'm not explaining how this works. I'm saying like, 494 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: this is what an astrologer would would sit down and think, 495 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: or um, Mars is warlike? Well, if Mars was in um, 496 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, a house associated with aggressiveness, you might 497 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: get in to fight your whole life, according to this 498 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: astrology chart. So that's just each planet. Right, Let's say 499 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: that you have Mars in a an aggressive house and 500 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: you have Saturn in a happy house. How did those 501 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: interact with each other? How does that getting in fights 502 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: all the time? Uh? Interact with the bitter sweetness that 503 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: runs through your life. And that's open to interpretation as well. 504 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: And that's where the astrology I think I was saying 505 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: astrologist earlier. Is that even a word? I think? So? Okay, 506 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem it seems like I've heard that before 507 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: well at anyway, that's where they come into play, yes, 508 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: with their varying interpretations, but not just the interpretations. They're 509 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: actually going to sit down and figure out what was where, 510 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: what that means according to the astrological tradition, and then 511 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: the third step is for them to um interpret it 512 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean. So, I mean 513 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: there is a tremendous amount of work to it from 514 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: what I can tell, for a genuine astrological chart. Your 515 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: friend's mom hooked you up when you were yeah, I 516 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: mean she didn't dash it off in five minutes. Tell 517 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: you that that was math involved in angles and stuff. 518 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: So the main thing you're getting if you're looking at 519 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: like a newspaper or if you have if you're sign 520 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: up for some sort of internet daily horoscope, is it's 521 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: usually some sort of personality profile, advice on your life. Uh, 522 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: maybe some sort of um map. Two for finances you 523 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: might want to think about, you know, investing soon. That's 524 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: where people probably get in trouble um. But it's pretty 525 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: much personal advice stuff, not so much long term future 526 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: type of thing, not like predicting your future necessarily. Well, 527 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: they do to the extent of like you'll have a 528 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: so so day to day. Yeah, yeah, today will be 529 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: rather unremarkable, Yeah, or like a lot of times it 530 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: can be. I think it's it's like, you know, today 531 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: might be a good day to reach out to an 532 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: old friend, and if you follow that advice, then that's 533 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: great because your old friend probably would want to hear 534 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: from you. And then you have lunch with that friend 535 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: and it goes great, and you might say, we'll see there. 536 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: My my horoscope said to reach out to an old 537 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: friend and it went awesome, or if it went really horribly, 538 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: you'd be like, why are you punishing these stars? Yeah? 539 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: Or what if you get killed on the way to 540 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: the lunch? You don't hear those stories. No, But that's 541 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: the great thing about astrology. It removes personal responsibility from 542 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: your decision. That's funny, And I should say also, I 543 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: wanna I want to like there are even more layers 544 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: to the whole thing than what I what I said, 545 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: I thought, I hope we kind of got the point 546 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: across that there's layer upon layer upon layer and they 547 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: all interact with one another. But I mean, like in 548 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: a good astrologer will take into account like whether planet 549 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: was in retrograde and what that means when you were 550 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: born you know, um or if it's in retrograde right now. Um, 551 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: there's just so much to it. I think that's what 552 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: fascinates me. Well, it makes a good point. Uh, if 553 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: this is a true science, then it should have it 554 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: should pass the muster of the of repeatable testing, which 555 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: of course it doesn't know. Um no, it really really doesn't. 556 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: But some other people might say, you know what this is, 557 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: it's beyond science. This is you shouldn't try and quantify 558 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: in terms of science. This is something that you can't 559 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: you can't even understand it. Your puny science cannot explain this, 560 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: this outside that realm to something that we don't know 561 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: and understand. And hey, I'm a science guy, but I'm 562 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: not foolish enough to think there isn't anything out there 563 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: that I maybe I don't know about or we can't 564 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,439 Speaker 1: prove it's very healthy. You know, my hat is off 565 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: to you, your fort Ian and you don't even know it. Seriously, 566 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: that's like to me, that's the the pinnacle of what 567 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: a thinking person can aspire to. Well, I think that's 568 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: when you stop looking, when you think that we you know, 569 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: we've got it all figured out, you know, especially when 570 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: you aggressively attack other people who say otherwise. Well, yeah, 571 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: that's if this conversation is floating your vocalists in the 572 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: Enlightenment episode, that was good. That was a good one. 573 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: I had a lot to do with that. They have 574 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: done studies though, on the viability of astrology as far 575 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: as you know, are are you could do divorce rates um? 576 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: Are they compatible or do they comply with um or 577 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: correlate with the compatibility of two people? Astrologically speaking, they don't. Yes, 578 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: you know, they're supposedly interaction amongst the signs where like 579 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, virgos don't get along with um, Capricorn or 580 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, and that doesn't hold up through 581 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: scientific study, And if you cherry pick examples in your life, 582 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: of course you might think it does. Well. Yeah, that's 583 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: why a lot of people are like, astrology is right. 584 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: It's a selection bias, is what you're encountering. You're ignoring 585 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: the stuff that disproves it or that suggests that it's 586 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: not true, and instead just focusing on the amazing facts 587 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: where it lines up right right. That's a selection bias, correct, 588 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: I think? So I need to know more about all 589 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: the different biases. It's interesting we should say another thing 590 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: that kind of suggests that astrology is not accurate. The 591 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: zodiac signs are no longer where they're supposed to be 592 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: if you're going by your birth date. For example, I 593 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: was born to life fifteen, so I would be a 594 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: cancer if you actually follow the constellations. I'm I'm a Gemini. 595 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: Never knew that. So Geminis are um concerned with information, 596 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: highly literate, curious, adaptable, absent minded, love to travel. I 597 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,919 Speaker 1: am a Gemini. So the reason why is because when 598 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: astrology was first created them the earth, the constellations were 599 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 1: lined up with where they were originally. As the Earth rotate, 600 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: it's on his access at wobbles over the last couple 601 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: of thousand years. It's wobbled so that those constellations are 602 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: no longer where they were when they set them three 603 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: thousand years ago. So today we have totally different um, 604 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: totally different signs. What would mind be? Can can figured 605 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: that out? So you were born in the IDEs of March, 606 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: you're still a Pisces man, I'm sorry, no, I love it. 607 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: I am uh now I am now a Gemini because 608 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: it got moved so Let's let's go through because I 609 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't know this, and NASA 610 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: blogged about it a couple of years ago and really 611 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: caused a stir um. Is Jerry still a cat ox? Jerry? 612 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: Jerry's Birthday's April something? Right, Jerry's birthday is what's your birthday? 613 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: Your birthday's Valentine's Day. I didn't know that. Jerry just 614 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: said her birthday is February fourteenth, because we have to 615 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: edit out any Jerry talk, right, Jerry, what are supposed 616 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: to be normally? You are a Capricorn. You are January 617 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: twenty to February six As far as NASA is concerned, 618 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: you're a Capricorn. So it starts and we should say 619 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: I don't think we said this, but the zodiac officially 620 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: in the West starts with aries and moves on um. 621 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: So starting with Capricorn because NASA is like, now we're 622 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: gonna start with the beginning of the year, Capricorn January 623 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: twenty to February six. Okay, Aquarius is now February sixteenth 624 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: to March eleventh. And you'll notice these aren't necessarily thirty 625 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: day period. Yeah, you were, uh Pisces March eleventh to 626 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: April eighteenth. Aries April eighteenth to May tourists May thirteenth 627 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: of June twenty one. It's a long one, uh. Jemini 628 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: June to July twenty that's me now, cancer July twenty August. 629 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: I used to be a cancer Leo August tenth to 630 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: September six. Virgo September Sixteber Libra October November, Scorpio November nine. 631 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: That's six days. You've got six days to be a scorpio. 632 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: It's kind of neat uh oh fucus, Yeah, the long 633 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: Forgotten November nine, December. Crazy. There's people out there don't 634 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: even know that they're that signed yeah, or how to 635 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: pronounce it right? No one does. No one alive knows 636 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: how to pronounce that. Uh. And then Sagittarius December sevente 637 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: to January. Wow, I don't even know anything anymore. No, 638 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,800 Speaker 1: no one does, Chuck. I think this is fascinating stuff 639 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: that I've been thinking a lot lately about what does 640 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: shape your personality and what you become in life as 641 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: far as nature and nurture, and some people might throw 642 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: this in there. I think we should totally do a 643 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: podcast on birth order. Oh Yeah, that's a good one, 644 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: super fascinating to me. Or whether, um, whether hearing your 645 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: name or the vibrations caused by saying your own name 646 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: throughout your life has an effect on your personality. What 647 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: have you heard that one? Yeah? Supposedly the vibrations are 648 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: the frequency made from hearing and saying your own name 649 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: throughout your life makes your makes your personality a certain one. Weird. Yeah, 650 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's probably not true, but it's interesting. Well, 651 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: we tease Ronald Reagan earlier. Well, we didn't tease Ronald Reagan. 652 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: We did, but we can't talk about astrology without talking 653 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: a little bit about the Reagan administration because uh in 654 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: nine uh Ron and Nancy were uh out. It's sort 655 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:46,799 Speaker 1: of exposed. Yeah, as is having an astrologer on the 656 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: payroll to the tune of about how much three grand 657 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: grand per what reading a month? Three grand a month? 658 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: It's not bad. No, this lady was working hard, Joan 659 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: quickly down under certain nickname medicine woman, and it was 660 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: revealed that she uh wrote up star charts uh and 661 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: basically detailed even down to the minute. Supposedly, depending on 662 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: who you listen to, what Reagan's schedule should look like right, 663 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: So this lady was definitely doing mundane interrogatory and natal 664 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: astrology combined to create a chart. Yes, for sure. And 665 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Chief of staff Don Reagan wrote in his memoir Um, 666 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean he, I mean, this is is not a 667 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: matter of debate or anything. No, this is for for real. 668 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: But Don Regan wrote in his memoirs, and he talked about, um, 669 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, capturing the public's attention like that was a 670 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 1: big deal because it looked like what was going on 671 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: was going on, which was that his schedule was kind 672 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: of being determined by an astrologistloger, like, you can't talk 673 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: to Gorby today, this is a bad day to propose 674 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: the Salt treaty. Wait until you know novem. That's when 675 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: you Mr. Gorby. And then Don Reagan would be told 676 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: by Nancy, uh, he he should be talking to Gorbion 677 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: because she would meet with Nancy only met ron once supposedly, 678 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,319 Speaker 1: um and and Nancy downplayed it a lot, of course, 679 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: they all tried to distance well. They said it was 680 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,439 Speaker 1: more of a hobby and and she definitely had no 681 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: impact on decisions. It was really just about scheduling, that's 682 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: what they said. Scheduling decisions. But she wrote a book actually, uh, 683 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: miss Quigley in it was called this is the most 684 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: on the nose book title of all time. It was 685 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: called what does Jones say? Colin my seven years as 686 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: White House astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan, by me, 687 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: do you get it? Um? And she said a quote. 688 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: I was responsible for timing all press conferences, most speeches. 689 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: The State of the Union addresses the takeoffs and landings 690 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: of Air Force one. I picked the time of Ronald 691 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: Reagan's debate with Jimmy Carter and the two debates with Mondale, 692 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: all extended trips abroad as well as shorter trips and 693 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: one day excursions. End quote. Yeah, um, so yes, the 694 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 1: leader of the free world, arguably the most powerful American 695 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: president in recent memory, had his schedule determined by an astrologer. 696 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 1: So weird. I got a couple more things, all right, 697 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: what you got? So? Um? Apparently Americans around the time 698 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: of Reagan had hit like basically a low in believing 699 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: in astrology. They were They did a poll after that 700 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: that news came out, and they found that American belief 701 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: overall in astrology um was a twelve, which is down 702 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: from this is an eight eight, which is down from 703 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,919 Speaker 1: ten years before, which makes total sense, like coming off 704 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: of the the hippie age and the goofy seventies into 705 00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: the very like kind of cynical late eighties. Uh, it 706 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: aligns perfectly right the stars. So somebody forgot to send 707 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 1: Nancy and Ron that memo. So in two thousand and four, 708 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: another poll found that it had gone back up to 709 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: no idea why and then another poll I saw that 710 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: asked something different rather than do you believe in astrology? Asked, um, 711 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: would you say that astrology is quote not at all scientific? 712 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, sixty six percent of Americans 713 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 1: said that in two not scientific, so basically they don't 714 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 1: believe in astrology six and then in two twelve um 715 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: percent said that, So apparently belief in astrology is still 716 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: on the increase. Interesting, Even more interesting, in China of 717 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: the public says they don't believe in astrology compared to 718 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: about fort here. And then lastly, I have one more 719 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: story ready, and there's actually a blog post you can 720 00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: go recalled the Genius Mural at St. John's. Okay you yeah, 721 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,799 Speaker 1: it's from years back, but I just came across the 722 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: story is amazing. There's this place called St. John's Anglican 723 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: Church's in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and Um. It was built 724 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty four and it was built with a 725 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,760 Speaker 1: mural on the ceiling of the night sky with gilded stars. 726 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: And they were remodeling the church and they wanted to 727 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: redo the mural right recreated exactly as it had been. 728 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: But they realized they didn't have any dead on photographs 729 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: of it, so they had to kind of like figure 730 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: out what to do. So they hired an astronomer and 731 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: he started poking around into it and he realized that 732 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: the mural, which had been constructed in seventeen fifty four, 733 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: was the exact scene of the night sky over Lunenburg 734 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: on December one, which is in the Christian tradition, is 735 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: the night Christ was born. Somebody in seventeen fifty four 736 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,359 Speaker 1: accurately calculated what this guy had looked like fifty four 737 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: years before on December and turned it into a mural. 738 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? Amazing? I love that story. Pretty cool. 739 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: So that's astrology and what's the name of that story, 740 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: The genius Genius mural at St. John's. Nice thanks man, 741 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: Are you got anything else? Nope. I can talk about 742 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 1: this all day. Are you sure? I think we did 743 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: right by it. If you want to know more about astrology, 744 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: go read Joan Quigley's book. And since I said Joan quickly, 745 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: it's time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this Star 746 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,560 Speaker 1: Wars action figure and hey, guys, love the show like 747 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: the I can say, like all the other fans. Is 748 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: definitely my favorite thing to listen to. My transplant to 749 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: Texas from Tennessee, and I always get excited when I 750 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: can make that long drive back home and binge on 751 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: your interesting material. Just listen to action figures and was 752 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: thrilled to hear you talk about Star Wars action figures. 753 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm one of those Star Wars guys you mentioned that 754 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: read away too much of the fan fiction and new 755 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: way too many characters, uh, too many of the character names. 756 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to share a fact I thought was interesting 757 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: about the Kinner toys and two of the Bounty Hunter 758 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: characters seen in an Empire strikes Back. Kinner went originally 759 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: packaging the characters mislabeled for loam. I'm probably not even 760 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: pronouncing that right. Uh. For the number four dash l 761 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: O M originally the droid and zook us Zu c 762 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: k Uss originally the bug looking guy and switched their names. 763 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: How that somebody got fired for that? Do you believe it? 764 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,439 Speaker 1: The name is stuck in until and you can see 765 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: on newer packaging of the Hasbro toys that their names 766 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: have been switched back. I always thought it was interesting 767 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: and interesting mishap. Thanks for all you guys do, and 768 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: I've learned so much and it's love referencing your show 769 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: every chance I get. Sincerely, Rison Ford, Adam West No ps, 770 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: sadly I'm not him. Wow? How great would that be? Man? 771 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: That that nice email, Adam? That was full of drama, 772 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: suspense facts and I could do my con NERD voice 773 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: nice man, which I completely stole from him. Sure, I 774 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 1: just want to make that clear, Yeah, claiming it as 775 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,800 Speaker 1: your own right to homage to Conan. Uh well, Adam, 776 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: thank you, that was a great one. 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