WEBVTT - Dean Kremer delivers a quality start in return, but Ryan Helsley suffered an elbow injury warming up 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.520 For the Orioles on Wednesday afternoon at Camden Yards. They 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:13.520 got a victory over the Chicago White Sox. Dean Kramer 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.000 returned to the active roster, pitched straight and the Oils 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.520 beach Chicago by a six to one count so they 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.200 do not get swept off day Thursday. Then on to 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.000 Cincinnati for weekend series before the final homestand ahead of 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.960 the All Star Break. Welcome in everybody the latest edition 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.760 of Birdland Territory Steve Maleski, Brad Brock and Tim Barbelace 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:39.519 to present a few os topics for our discussion. And 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.720 you're viewing pleasure, and of course we hope you subscribe 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.240 to the channel as we're finally picking up some steam 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.479 here on the subscribers, closing in on a thousand, getting 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.720 closer with every one that adds on, so please do 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.400 and hope you follow us on the podcast outlets as 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.480 well when you can hear the audio version only of 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.240 the show. So guys would start with Dean Kramer. He 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.480 had not pitching the Big League since April sixty day. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.320 I l quad strain came back today against the team 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:10.720 he's been good against throughout his career, and he was 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.600 today six innings, four hits, one run, seventy nine pitches. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.039 Brad that looked like Dean Kramer. We remember when we 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.240 last saw him in April. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.120 Yeah, oh yeah, And it's kind of eerily similar to 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.679 his first pitch he threw back off the IL in 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.000 April when he first came his first started up home 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:29.920 run to the first batter, so he was thinking, oh no, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.760 here we go, but he stubbled right in. 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:32.720 He was really efficient. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.920 He looked really good today, like albern has said after 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.360 the game, just really good with this basketball, get in ahead, 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.000 using the curveball to get ahead. 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.399 Also didn't see the real swing and miss that we're 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:43.199 used to from Dean. 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.640 But I mean, you'll take that every single time you 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.480 get six innings and less than eighty pitches. You would 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.160 take that from every starter that goes out there. So 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.320 I thought, first one back especially, I couldn't ask for anymore, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.360 kept them in the game there when it was one 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.320 nothing there for a while and kind of let the 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.640 offense kind of get heated up. So I think it 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.080 was every thing more you could have asked for, especially 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.760 the first time off the IL. I can't believe it's 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.480 been since April, but it's been a while now, so 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.200 for him to come out there and get that out 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.960 and he gave today, I thought it was huge. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:13.960 And I'll admit I was a little concerned how it 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:17.200 would look today because despite coming off the sixty day 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.560 il guys, he only had two rehab starts. Now, granted, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.400 both of them were great at Norfolk, but obviously the 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:25.960 major leagues is a much different level. And you know, 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.520 the first batter two pitches in, like you said, Brad, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.720 you're thinking, oh geez. But he settled in. He retired 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.359 eleven straight batters from that point. And I'll always take 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.040 up for Dean Kramer, and I know that, you know, 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.920 there's some portions of the fan base that like to 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.800 beat him up, but I think Dean Kramer is a 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:49.480 rock solid starting pitcher, you know, a really good number four, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.160 number five pitcher, a guy that eats a lot of 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.200 innings and ultimately, you know what you're gonna get in 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.160 Dean Kramer at the end of the year. And it's 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.760 been e er right around four, which is more than 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.320 in the big leagues, and he really leaned into the 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.200 splitter and boys have been such a big pitch for him, 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.200 dating back to last year, But all in all, you 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.480 really not much to quibble about in Dean Kramer's first 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.080 start back off the IL. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.600 He he is a gamer man. He's always been that. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.959 I mean, he eats innings. He does not want to 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.600 come out of the game. He will run through a 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.640 brick wall for a win. You can tell how how 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.960 much this guy wants to win. For me, Tim, I 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.120 think people have looked at him and they're not wrong 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:36.880 when they do this. The last couple of years as 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.880 a league average pitcher, because that's where his stats fall. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.760 But league average with one hundred and seventy five innings 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:45.680 is better than the league average with one hundred and ten. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.320 And furthermore, he keeps you in games. You can win 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:51.840 a lot of his games. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.480 And that's that's my point, Steve, like he would be 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.000 in a lot of starting rotations. I'm not saying that 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.760 Dean Kramer is an ace or or this guy that's 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.360 one of the best pitchers in all baseball. But Dean 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.440 Kramer is a starting pitcher that all thirty teams would 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.720 want to use because there's value to it. And you 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.960 mentioning that he's a gamer, Steve, I can think of 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.480 so many games off the top of my head, where 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.239 either the team's on a little bit of a skid 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.960 and they need to break that and Dean comes up big, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.560 or I remember when they clinched a playoff spot. 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:26.839 I think in twenty four. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.880 You know, Dean started that game and he was fantastic, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.040 got a ton of swing and miss there, Like Dean 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.960 is valuable to this rotation and this starting rotation. We've 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:40.159 been talking a lot on recent episodes like what is 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.240 the strength? What is something that they can lean on? 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:44.880 You can go back six weeks now and this is 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:47.520 one of the best starting rotations in baseball when you 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.599 look at Er and adding Dean Kramer to it is 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:51.160 a big deal. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.480 Yeah, And I tink a picture like Dean Kramer. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:56.600 You're gonna find out how much he's valued here in 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:58.960 a couple of years off example, stay healthy and get 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.880 the free agency because guys that throw one hundred and 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.080 fifty innings plus every year and go out there and 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.360 throw six innings, give up three runs make a lot 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.480 of money. So I think he's well on his way 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.200 towards that kind of payday. And I just think, like 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.920 you said, he's solid. You know what you're gonna get 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:14.919 from him every five days, and I think that's what 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:16.280 the rotation right now. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.599 Could use there. I feel like the rotation's been. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.480 Brilliant or somewhere kind of below average here the last 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.000 and I think overall they've been really good as a group. 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.560 But I think if you're able to go out there 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.120 and you have that one guy you know, and now 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.400 Red Trevor Rodgers might follow under that umbrella too, you 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:33.960 have two guys that go out there, you know exactly 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.440 what you're gonna get every five days, you have a 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.800 shot to put a little run together. So I'm hoping 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.400 Dean can kind of just solidify that fitth spot and 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.799 doesn't have to do anything spectacular, just give the offensive 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.039 chance like you did today and let them go and 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.360 do what they're paid to do and score some runs. 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.599 And I still hang my hat on maybe the biggest 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.039 hope for the Orioles to get it going, which would 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.040 keep waiting for that and it never seems to happen, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.200 is the rotation. This was the ninth quality star in 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.560 sixteen games. That's a real nice run for this rotation. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.520 But the Orioles have just proven to us in this 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.200 series why that's not working more for them they had 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.440 a great start from Boz couldn't win the game, pretty 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.520 great start from Dean did win the game. So one 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.400 in one right now is not good enough for this 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.919 team because they're eight games under. So it's got to 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.520 be they got to win fifteen out of twenty in 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.360 here somewhere. But if they're going to do it, it might 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.040 be because their starters are limiting the other team so often. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.360 Yeah, definitely, I think you're right, Steve. I think it is. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.680 It's down to that time where they're going to need 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.240 a fifteen out of twenty, a thirteen out of eighteen, 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.000 just somewhere to make up some ground because it's just 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.719 and with the American League, guess they're still there in 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.600 the standings, but you got to think a team or 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.039 two is going to make a run, and if they're 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.000 not able to keep pace with them, and at this 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.640 point they have to do better than those teams, they're 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.839 gonna find themselves behind the eight ball and just kind 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:55.479 of out of a playoff spot. So it's really like 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.159 you said, I think it's just getting their starting rotation, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.039 just keep doing this thing and let the offense just 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.880 hopefully just start to click and hopefully they can find 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.080 a one through nine that they like and let some 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.920 guys get hot and kind of just go on a 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.200 little bit of a hot streak here. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.400 I think that's been the most frustrating part about this Steve, 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.240 is we've talked so much about this offense. This offense 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.480 was supposed to be the superpower of this team. That 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.560 was the expectation, and we've talked about a lot of 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.520 guys not playing up to expectation. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.360 It's not that the offense has been bad. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.440 It's an above average offense, but we just thought that 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.280 it had the ceiling to be a special group, a 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 top five group, and a lot of major categories, and 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.640 they just haven't gotten to that point yet. And the 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.960 starting rotation, what they can do is keep you in 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.080 the ballgame, and like you said, Steve, sometimes it's not enough, 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.240 because Shane Bose it took him a little bit to 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.280 settle into that game Monday. But you will sign up 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.160 for seven innings, two earned runs every single time your 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.480 starter goes out there, and quite frankly, you should expect 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.760 to win every single time your starter provides that exactly. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.440 But with the twenty twenty six Oriols, there's always something 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.320 daunting to talk about, and in a minute we will. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.640 We'll talk about Ryan Helsley, how he wanted to pitch 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.040 today but didn't. We'll talk about Trey Gibson. His last 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.000 two starts have kind of got Steve stirred up here. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.880 I'll tell you my thoughts on that and hear from 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.400 you guys about that as well. 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He was really throwing well Schultz 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:11.600 for the White Sox, highly chauted prospect and O'Neil hit 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.280 it four thirty. So this is what they hoped they 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.720 were getting today. And maybe he can deliver a little 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.400 bit more of it moving forward. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.720 Yeah, and I think it's a good sign, especially hitting 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.560 off a pitcher he hasn't seen before and a lefty 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:25.120 on top of it. 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:26.520 So we've been talking about his. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.280 Overall struggles, but he was supposed to come in national 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.520 lefties and I think that's kind of been the biggest 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:34.320 frustration with Oriol fans is when he signed his contract, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.839 he was known as being able to hit lefties no 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.360 matter what kind of lefty they are, and who knows, 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.960 maybe today jump starts that. But I think that playout 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.560 in right field might have been a game changing event 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.160 when it happened, because to go for one nothing down 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.439 to three nothing and that's about the guy on second base. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.040 I mean, it changed the whole complexion of that game. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:53.840 And when he came up and hit that home run too, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.080 it kind of jumped out of the offense. So really 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.040 happy for him, especially on Canada Day. I know played 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:00.840 with the guys from Canada for it's one of their 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.040 big days. They like to wear some bread and he 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.920 said he wore some red cleaves and red tape so 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.120 to honor his home country. So really cool for him 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:11.120 today to be able to do that and really jump 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.480 start and I think he's definitely the MVP of the game, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.520 and I mean just game saving, game changing events on 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.240 two particular plays. 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.480 Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned the diving catch because that, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.840 to me was probably the most underrated play of the 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.640 game because how often have we talked about runs allowed 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.640 with two outs. That was with two outs in that game, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.000 So it could have been two more runs tacked on, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.160 like you said, Brad, and make it three to nothing. 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.000 You're being no hit at that point. So it's just 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.000 it feels like such a big hill to climb for 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.760 the team. But he came up with that play, and 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:49.240 then of course he hit the home run. And something 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.840 that I am very interested in seeing, guys, and it 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:56.319 has been relatively recent since Dylan Beaver's got activated off 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.160 the IL they activated him and Adle on the same day, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:03.640 is how does this outfield line up moving forward? 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:04.680 Because you have five. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.040 Outfielders, you also still have three catchers, so it's a 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.000 very interesting bench right now. We didn't see Colden Kowser 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.640 in center field today, and boys, he played the heck 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.240 at a center field recently. 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.480 Man, he's been fantastic. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.720 So I think that that is a little bit of 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.080 a storyline to follow is just how this playtime is 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.040 divvied up with those five outfielders. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.760 Yeah, trying to The Ools still love their left right man, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.440 so they're gonna do that and try to squeeze every 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.800 ounce out of platoon advantages. And I was talking with 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.240 some other beat writers at the ballpark this week, and 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:40.520 I said to them, a couple of years ago, when 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:44.760 they were winning these stats that will give you data 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.400 on platoon advantage, the Oils were among the best. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:47.600 In the game. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.319 But that's not happening anymore. So that's that's the frustration 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.320 sometimes with the left right that they do. But let's 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.080 speaking of frustration. Steve's a Trey Gibson homer. We've long 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.040 established that, and a big fan of this young man 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.400 and his hopefully very bright future. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.520 So I disagree with how he was used too. Starts 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:07.079 in a row. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.040 Well, he had four inning, sixty six pitches, throwing ninety seven, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.640 striking out guys. They took him out. Kid was rolling. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.680 Let the kid roll. He's a horse. He wants the ball. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.320 They didn't give it to him in the fifth inning 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.400 in anahut. Now he's getting smoked. The other night, they're 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.680 hitting everything, rockets and there was even no one warming 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:30.600 up for a long time. It felt like they're hanging 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.280 this kid out to dry. And furthermore, if they had 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.680 gotten him a little sooner, maybe they could have gotten 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.400 back in that game. Who knows how would have played out. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.600 But now he's going back to triple A. Some people 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.760 think they called him up too soon. First of all, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.480 a lot sooner than he was expected early May he 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.120 pitches in these tough places, then when he's rolling in 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.240 a not as tough place, they took it. I'm confused 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.680 by the whole thing. I hope they haven't messed this 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.160 kid up. I don't think they have, because I think 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.880 he's good number one, and he's mentally strong number two. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.120 And Brad, you know this better than Tim and I. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.600 Life's not fair sometimes, the baseball players, and you got 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.320 to ride that shuttle and show you're tough enough to 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:13.200 make it back. 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:15.440 Yeah, And I think that's kind of what this is 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:15.920 all gonna be. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.360 It's just a it's a learning experience. Whether we disagree 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.600 or agree with how he was used. Especially that last 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.720 start in Anaheim just didn't seem the right time to 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.520 pull him. And then with the game the other night, 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.960 just to me, he was just behind on everybody, and 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:32.960 that I think it was a big lesson on I 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.360 need to throw strike one more. 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:35.560 So I hope he's. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:40.760 Able to use that little bit of advice or learning 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.480 experience when he goes back down to Triple Aye to 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:45.440 really just contentrary on getting strike one and getting strikes 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.720 earlier in the account. Guys are gonna get hit around, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:49.800 especially as a rookie. Ye're gonna you're gonna have those 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.840 types of outings. It would have been nice to get 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.400 him out with maybe five runs or four runs when 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.520 you kind of saw it snowballing there. But unfortunately he's 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.400 going back down with I think it was an eight spot. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.720 But I think he's taught. I think he's a tough kid. 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.720 He's just shown his grit Yankee Stadium, Dodger Stadium. Even 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.240 that game in Anaheim, it was about to go south 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.760 quick and he got he turned it around, and he 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.120 showed what kind of picture he could be, I feel 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.920 like in that fourth inning. So I hope when he 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.960 goes down he's just able to use these little bit 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.080 of learning advice and lessons and really go down and 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:22.960 just apply it. And so when he comes back up 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.080 he's really ready to roll. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.240 I just hate that he kind of goes down on 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.840 this sour of a note, right because the Padres game 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.640 was the other rough game that he had, but really 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.800 it was the rough first inning, second and then he 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:40.000 settled in to his credit. Besides that, he's been a 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.360 gamer man. I still go back to that game at 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:45.640 Dodger Stadium where that was where he won me over. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.120 But I was just so surprised at how Craig Albernaz 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:54.280 handled him in this game, because it was very clear 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.720 early on he was far from his a self. But 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.480 you go to that third inning and Ben and Tendee singles, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:03.760 Montgomery hit. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:05.840 A home run that might not have landed yet, four 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.200 hundred and forty feet. I was a bomb on Utah Street. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.480 Then he walks back to back batters, Peter's singles, The 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.720 bass is loaded, no one's warming up at that point, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:22.080 like it's three to one. Montgomery just hit an absolute moonshot, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.560 walks back to back batters, bases are loaded, no one's 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.040 warming up yet, and then, like you said, Steve, it 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.800 just got to a point where boom, it's eight to 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.480 one and he's thinking, oh my, well, this game's over. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.800 It's the third inning, it's early on, but you know, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.720 it's just that crosses your mind. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:39.399 How could it not. 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.600 It's human nature, And I just thought it was a 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.399 tough position to put him in. And I get a 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.199 heck of a lot of credit to the bullpen that 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.800 came in after him, because they went six and the 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.040 third innings it gave up one inned run like to 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.880 be put in that difficult of a situation. And Craig 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.560 Albern has said after that game, the bullpen was burnt 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.719 out and that's why he was trying to squeeze everything 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.640 out of Gibson that he could. But that burnt out 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.680 bullpen more than held its own the rest of the way. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.520 Yeah, Big Al Suarez a hero for that game. Helped 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.719 them today when that game, and so did Dan Kramer 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.800 of course by going deep, but he he meant he 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.639 made it didn't have to go through everybody out in 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.199 that bullpen last night with three innings, and he just 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.119 keeps stealing it in these tough situations, and he's lost 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.720 his roster spot a couple times and he just keeps 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.439 coming back. I mean, you got to you've got to 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.600 admire this guy. Spent a long time fighting to be 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.760 in the big leagues. He appreciates every day. And oh, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.679 by the way, he's from Venezuela and he wore, you know, 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.920 a tribute to Venezuela and his hat. The other day 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.320 I asked somebody from the ball club if they know 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.480 and because I hadn't did a chance to ask Albert 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.040 if his family's okay, and they said they're pretty sure 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.520