WEBVTT - Season 6 Episode 9: Hoping for a Spark

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<v Speaker 1>What makes a murderer's mind tick? Killer Psyche is a

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<v Speaker 1>true crime podcast from Wandry that explores these types of

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<v Speaker 1>questions about the crimes that killers and criminals commit. Killer

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<v Speaker 1>Psyche covers high profile cases that shocked the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>host Candye DeLong uses her five decades of experience as

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<v Speaker 1>a clinical psychiatric nurse and FBI criminal profiler to dissect

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<v Speaker 1>the motivations and behaviors of the most terrifying felons in history.

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<v Speaker 1>And you'll definitely want to listen to a recent episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Killer Psyche where Candice looks into the mysterious murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Ted Ammon, a wealthy Wall Street financier. Ted had

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<v Speaker 1>been going through a divorce with his wife of thirteen years, Generosa,

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<v Speaker 1>and child custody and millions in assets were at stake.

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<v Speaker 1>Generosa and her new boyfriend, Danny Pelosi were the prime suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>but Generosa died of cancer before police could prove her involvement.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty oh four, Danny was victed of second degree

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<v Speaker 1>murder but still maintains its innocence. How does hatred drive

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<v Speaker 1>a person to murder the father of their children? Listen

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<v Speaker 1>to Kill a Psyche on Apple podcasts Amazon Music, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can listen to one week and free by joining

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<v Speaker 1>Wandry Plus in the Wandry app. It began on June twelfth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six, with a string of strange messages intercepted

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<v Speaker 1>by the Brazilian Navy between three ham radio operators broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>from somewhere within the state of Hio Jijaneiro in the

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<v Speaker 1>southeast of Brazil. As the Navy listened in with interest,

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<v Speaker 1>it was hard to understand exactly what the men were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>not because it was difficult to hear, but rather because,

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<v Speaker 1>without any context, the conversation was completely bizarre. It seemed

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<v Speaker 1>the men were, with all seriousness, discussing plans for an

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<v Speaker 1>imminent attempt to access another dimension. The following day, fishermen

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<v Speaker 1>off the coast of Atafona Beach in sound Chao de Barra,

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<v Speaker 1>roughly three hundred kilometers northeast of Hio Jajaneiro, was startled

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<v Speaker 1>by an intensely bright flash in the sky, followed moments

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<v Speaker 1>later by the sound of a huge explosion that echoed

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<v Speaker 1>far out over the waves. On land, the blast was

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<v Speaker 1>so powerful it rattled the windows of buildings up to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen kilometers away. Blowing many of them out completely. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who witnessed the explosion described seeing an intensely loominous object

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<v Speaker 1>appear in the sky from out of nowhere, then descend

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<v Speaker 1>sharply into the sea, before flying back into the air

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<v Speaker 1>and exploding in a great ball of light. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a month later, on Saturday, August twentieth in Nita Roy,

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<v Speaker 1>a vibrant coastal city just across the bay from here Jijaneiro,

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<v Speaker 1>when eighteen year old Georges Alvez da Costa was out

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<v Speaker 1>flying his kite with friends on mohou Da Vintayne, a

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<v Speaker 1>conical forest covered peak that rose sharply out of the

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<v Speaker 1>city's eastern suburb. As the group made their way up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill through the trees, George smelt a rancid, sickly

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<v Speaker 1>odor in the air. Curious to know where it was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from, he followed it to a small clearing, where

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<v Speaker 1>he made a gruesome discovery, the bodies of two fully

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<v Speaker 1>clothed men lying side by side in the undergrowth on

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<v Speaker 1>a bed of palm leaves, steadily decomposing as things wriggled

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<v Speaker 1>and buzzed around their blackening faces. Back in nineteen sixty three,

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<v Speaker 1>after two years of political turmoil triggered by the resignation

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<v Speaker 1>of their President of Brazil, Janio Quadros. A referendum had

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in the effective election of Jiaogulat from the center

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<v Speaker 1>left Brazilian Labor Party as the country's new president. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>his popularity among the electorate, however, Goulart's ambitions to part

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<v Speaker 1>nationalize some of the country's largest companies was considered too

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<v Speaker 1>much of an existential threat by Brazil's right wing elites.

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<v Speaker 1>In response, in nineteen sixty four, the Brazilian armed forces,

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<v Speaker 1>with the assistance of the United States government, overthrew Gulat's

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<v Speaker 1>democratically elected government and established a military dictatorship in its place.

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<v Speaker 1>Though the coup was relatively peaceful, the military's efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>suppress dissidents and maintain power was anything but. As such,

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<v Speaker 1>there was good reason to assume that the bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>two well dressed men found hidden in the undergrowth on

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<v Speaker 1>the outskirts of Nita Roy could well turn out to

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<v Speaker 1>be victims of this cruel new reality. Within minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>surveying the apparent crime scene, however, it quickly became clear

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<v Speaker 1>to police that something far more bizarre was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Unexplained and I'm Richard McLane Smith. Detective

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<v Speaker 1>Solo Gomez stepped into the clearing and asked his officers

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<v Speaker 1>to hold back the small crowd of onlookers that had

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<v Speaker 1>been steadily gathering as news of the grim discovery spread

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<v Speaker 1>through the neighborhood. Having first assumed a possible political motive,

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez was surprised that no obvious cause of death could

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<v Speaker 1>be found on the bodies. There were no bullet or

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<v Speaker 1>knife wounds, and no signs of beating or strangulation. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed almost as though the men, each wearing a smart

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<v Speaker 1>suit under cheap plastic raincoats, had simply fallen asleep. He wondered, then,

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<v Speaker 1>if perhaps the pair had poisoned themselves in some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of suicide pact. This theory seemed as good as any,

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<v Speaker 1>going by the empty glass bottle and sheet of laminated

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<v Speaker 1>paper curled into a cone cup that was found next

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<v Speaker 1>to them. But what then, of the bizarre metal objects

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<v Speaker 1>they found there too? Though there was no knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>they were exactly, it seemed reasonable to assume they were

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of eye mask, shaped like sunglasses without arms,

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<v Speaker 1>and made entirely from lead. Then one of the officers

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<v Speaker 1>handed a series of notes to the detective that were

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<v Speaker 1>also found at the scene, and that was when things

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<v Speaker 1>got really weird. The first contained a series of rudimentary

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<v Speaker 1>equations which were identified as relating to Ohm's law and

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<v Speaker 1>the science of resistance and conductance. On the second was

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<v Speaker 1>written the following Sunday, one tablet after the meal, Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>one tablet in the morning on an empty stomach, Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>one tablet after a meal, Wednesday, one tablet before bed.

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<v Speaker 1>And on the third, even more cryptically, it said, at

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<v Speaker 1>four thirty pm, be in the agreed place. At six

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pm, swallow the capsule after the effect, protect the metals,

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<v Speaker 1>wait for signal mask. Going by the IDs found at

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, the men were quickly identified as thirty four

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<v Speaker 1>year old Miguel Jose Vienna and thirty two year old

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<v Speaker 1>Manuel peraded a cruise from Campos Doskoy to Kazs, a

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<v Speaker 1>city roughly two hundred and fifty kilometers northeast from where

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<v Speaker 1>they were found. To make things even more confusing, a

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<v Speaker 1>bag containing approximately one hundred and fifty seven thousand cruzeros

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<v Speaker 1>roughly equivalent to three hundred US dollars in today's money

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<v Speaker 1>was also found at the scene, with another four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>cruzeros found in one of the men's pockets. As it transpired.

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<v Speaker 1>Both men were electronics experts who worked together in a

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<v Speaker 1>TV and radio repair shop and had been friends for

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<v Speaker 1>some time. Both sadly were also married with young children.

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<v Speaker 1>According to their wives, both had left Campos on the

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<v Speaker 1>morning of Wednesday, August the seventeenth, claiming they were heading

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<v Speaker 1>to Saumpaulou to collect some electronics equipment and possibly by

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<v Speaker 1>a secondhand car. Miguel's wife verified that the pair had

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<v Speaker 1>left with over two million crutezzeros between them for the

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<v Speaker 1>trip just under five thousand US dollars into day's money,

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<v Speaker 1>which would appear to fit with their stated intentions. When

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<v Speaker 1>asked about the strange masks, Manuel's wife, Donna, remembered seeing

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<v Speaker 1>her husband trying it on for size a few days

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<v Speaker 1>before he left, but had no idea what it was for.

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<v Speaker 1>After finding bus tickets in the men's clothes, it appeared

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<v Speaker 1>they boarded a bus together at Campos bus station at

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<v Speaker 1>nine am on the Wednesday, before disembarking for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>in Nita Roy at two thirty pm. From there, they

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<v Speaker 1>visited an electronic store called Flascop, located at number thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>Traverse Salberto Veto, right in the city center. After being

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<v Speaker 1>shown pictures of the men, the store's owner had no

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<v Speaker 1>trouble recalling them, since he remembered vividly that they he

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<v Speaker 1>come in to make a phone call, adding that both

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<v Speaker 1>of them appeared calm and relaxed at the time. A

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<v Speaker 1>torrential storm had then opened up over the city, which

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<v Speaker 1>would explain why the men were then spotted in a

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<v Speaker 1>clothing store buying raincoats a short time later. By then, however,

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<v Speaker 1>around three thirty PM, the men appeared to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a serious hurry, not even waiting to put the coats

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<v Speaker 1>on before dashing back out into the rain. It had

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<v Speaker 1>just gone four thirty five PM when Miguel and Manuel,

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<v Speaker 1>now wearing their raincoats, dashed into dash Helvas, a small

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<v Speaker 1>bar on Avanida Marquez de Barana, not far from the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of Moho de Vintayne. There, As the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the bar recounted to the police, Miguel ordered a bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of magnesium infused water, constantly checking his watch as if

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<v Speaker 1>urgently waiting for something. Manuel also looked anxious to leave

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as possible. After buying the water, Miguel asked

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<v Speaker 1>the owner for a receipt, saying he intended to bring

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<v Speaker 1>the bottle back to collect the deposit for it. This

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<v Speaker 1>revelation left Detective Gomez inclined to rule out suicide completely.

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<v Speaker 1>From the bar, the men were thought to have then

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<v Speaker 1>made the journey into the hills on foot, staying up

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<v Speaker 1>there until they died. All this new information was a

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<v Speaker 1>good start at least, but ultimately left Detective Gomez with

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<v Speaker 1>even more questions than he began with. For example, if

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<v Speaker 1>the men had left with over two million cruzeros between them,

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<v Speaker 1>how was it that, despite only buying a bottle of

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<v Speaker 1>water and two raincoats, where they found with only roughly

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and thirty thousand cruzos between them. A possible

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<v Speaker 1>answer came when it was discovered that the bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>the men had in fact been found two days before,

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<v Speaker 1>on Thursday the eighteenth, by another teenager who was hunting

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<v Speaker 1>for sparrows at the time. The boy claimed to have

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<v Speaker 1>informed a local officer named Antonio Guerra, who had appeared

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<v Speaker 1>had simply sat on the information. Gera was promptly put

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<v Speaker 1>under investigation and accused of stealing the missing money. It

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<v Speaker 1>isn't known exactly how this played out, but reports suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that this theory was eventually dismissed. And then there was

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<v Speaker 1>the bed of palm leaves that the men had been

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<v Speaker 1>found lying on. The thick pile of palms had been

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<v Speaker 1>cut from the surrounding trees with a sharp implement, but

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<v Speaker 1>no such tool was found at the scene, all of

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<v Speaker 1>which gave detective Gomez good reason to believe that someone

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<v Speaker 1>else had been involved in the deaths. With Detective Gomez

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<v Speaker 1>pinning his hopes on the autopsy revealing at least a

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<v Speaker 1>cause of death, he was disappointed to discover that neither

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<v Speaker 1>of the bodies could be kept in cold storage due

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<v Speaker 1>to a combination of a backlog of cases in the

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<v Speaker 1>district and broken refrigeration units. When the autopsy was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>carried out, the bodies had deteriorated so much it was

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to gauge anything concrete. In the end, the coroner declared,

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<v Speaker 1>to the best of his abilities that the men had

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<v Speaker 1>suffered no burns or trauma, and perhaps most unexpectedly, had

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<v Speaker 1>not been poisoned. Their deaths were recorded simply as the

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<v Speaker 1>result of a cardiac arrest due to an unknown cause. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>on August twenty sixth, as if things couldn't get any

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<v Speaker 1>more bizarre, another incredible story came to light. It came

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<v Speaker 1>from a sin A Kutino Desauza, who lived close to

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<v Speaker 1>the hill where the men were found. Dessauza, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a well known personality in the local area, had not

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to come forward for fear of ridicule, but was

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<v Speaker 1>convinced to share her story after reading about the police's

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<v Speaker 1>travails with the case. Her story began in the evening

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<v Speaker 1>of August seventeenth, the same night the men were believed

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<v Speaker 1>to have died on Moha da Vintain. It was then

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<v Speaker 1>that she was driving her three children home close to

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<v Speaker 1>the foot of Maha da Vintaine when they were all

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to the site of a strange oval object sitting

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<v Speaker 1>low above the trees at the top of the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Desausa described it as being mostly orange with what looked

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<v Speaker 1>like a band of fire around the edges, with numerous

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<v Speaker 1>rays of light shooting out from its surface in all directions.

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<v Speaker 1>Transfixed by the sight of it, Desausa quickly pulled the

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<v Speaker 1>are over, then watched the object with her children for

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<v Speaker 1>a good few minutes. As it rose up and down

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<v Speaker 1>a number of times above the trees before vanishing completely.

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<v Speaker 1>further twist the day after Desaus's revelations when police arrested

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Elsio Gomez, a friend of Miguel and

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<v Speaker 1>Manuel's who'd been seen arguing with them shortly before they died.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Gomez was able to provide a solid alibi for

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<v Speaker 1>his whereabouts at the time, what he eventually revealed to

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<v Speaker 1>the Nita Roy detectives made the hair stand up on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of their necks. The two men, according to Gomez,

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<v Speaker 1>considered themselves scientific spiritualists who were also part of a

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<v Speaker 1>secret society with unknown aims. Both, he said, had regularly

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<v Speaker 1>attended seances and maintained a clandestine ham radio station in

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Glisio, over which they frequently discussed their

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<v Speaker 1>plans and ideas. And then there was the mysterious explosion

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<v Speaker 1>of June thirteenth, the month before the men died. As

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez explained, back then, Manuel and Miguel had invited a

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<v Speaker 1>number of friends down to Atapona Beach that day to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the results of an experiment they'd been working on.

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<v Speaker 1>Within minutes of arriving at the beach, the explosion occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez was adamant that whatever Manuel and Miguel had been

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<v Speaker 1>doing caused the explosion. The police then interviewed Miguel's niece,

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<v Speaker 1>who appeared to corroborate some of Elsio Gomus's bizarre statement.

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<v Speaker 1>The niece bumped into Miguel and Manuel on the Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>they left Nita Roy When she asked them where they

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<v Speaker 1>were going, the men replied to Sam Paulou to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a car, just as they had told their wives, But

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<v Speaker 1>when the niece pressed them on it, Miguel eventually conceded

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<v Speaker 1>that this wasn't the whole reason for their trip. He

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<v Speaker 1>then told her shortly before heading off that although he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't say what it was exactly, he hoped that by

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<v Speaker 1>the time they returned they would know if Spiritism was

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<v Speaker 1>everything they had been led to believe it was. As

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<v Speaker 1>the police soon discovered, both Manuel and Miguel, curiously, along

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<v Speaker 1>with many other members of the local electronics industry, were

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<v Speaker 1>followers of the religious and philosophical doctrine of Spiritism. The

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<v Speaker 1>doctrine was established by French educator Ippolite Lyon Denizar Revill

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen fifty as a more scientifically minded offshoot of Spiritualism,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been established only a decade before. Where spiritualism

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<v Speaker 1>advocates that we are surrounded by spirits of the dead

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<v Speaker 1>with whom we can communicate as a matter of cause, Revill,

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<v Speaker 1>who wrote under the nom de plume Alan Cardek, saw

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<v Speaker 1>this much more as a fundamental principle of God's universe.

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<v Speaker 1>In short, according to Revill, our universe is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>comprised of two worlds, one of spirit and one of matter,

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<v Speaker 1>existing side by side, with the visible world of matter

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<v Speaker 1>being where we live, and the world of spirit essentially

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<v Speaker 1>another mention being where souls dwell. At some point in

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteenth century, revised teachings became hugely popular in Brazil,

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<v Speaker 1>where communication with this spirit world is seen as a

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<v Speaker 1>vital part of the process for being both physically and

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<v Speaker 1>spiritually healthy. For Manuel and Miguel and other followers of

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<v Speaker 1>the religion, a typical Spiritism meeting would even involve preaching

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<v Speaker 1>the religions doctrine directly to the spirits believed to exist

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<v Speaker 1>in the other realm. A few days after the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>were found, police searching Miguel's home workshop discovered remnants of

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<v Speaker 1>the lead piping from which they'd made their strange masks,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a book titled Scientific Spiritism with a passage

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<v Speaker 1>marked by Miguel regarding masks, intense luminosity, and accompanying spirits,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which suggested the staggering possibility that the men

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<v Speaker 1>had perhaps conceived of a way in which they might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to access this other world and then attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to put it into practice out on the top of

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<v Speaker 1>Moho Da Vintain. Not long after news of Senora Desauza's

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<v Speaker 1>apparent sighting of a strange luminous object seen above Moho d,

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<v Speaker 1>numerous others came forward claiming to have seen the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Before long, people began offering explanations about what

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<v Speaker 1>exactly had taken place. Yoga teacher Kayo Miranda believed the

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<v Speaker 1>men had accidentally overdosed on LSD or mescaline, which he

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<v Speaker 1>said were commonly used by followers of spiritism in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to communicate with the spiritual plane through the use

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<v Speaker 1>of high frequency thought waves. In a similar vein far

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<v Speaker 1>the Oscar Gonzalez Covedo, a prominent Brazilian scholar of occultism

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<v Speaker 1>and parapsychology, suggested the men had in fact died after

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<v Speaker 1>attempting to access the light source from another world in

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<v Speaker 1>the hope that it would stimulate their third eyes. This feat,

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<v Speaker 1>according to him, could be achieved through a combination of

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<v Speaker 1>fasting and psychotropic drug use, both of which were hinted

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<v Speaker 1>at in one of the notes found with the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>of the deceased. Another slightly more grounded theory was that

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<v Speaker 1>the men were working to build an atomic bomb, or

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<v Speaker 1>were involved in a smuggling ring to help gather components

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<v Speaker 1>for such a weapon, the idea being that the men

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<v Speaker 1>had perhaps taken something to counteract the effects of radiation poisoning,

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<v Speaker 1>but had then poisoned themselves in the process. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>for detective Gomez, it seemed increasingly likely that someone else

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<v Speaker 1>had been involved in the men's death who was still

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<v Speaker 1>at large. This theory was given even more weight when

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<v Speaker 1>it was found that although the handwriting in those strange

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<v Speaker 1>notes was Miguel's, the style was not clearly According to police,

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<v Speaker 1>the men had been given the instructions by somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>This led detective Gomez to also consider the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>the two men had been fooled into participating in something

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<v Speaker 1>by one of their spiritism associates, who then later robbed

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<v Speaker 1>them when things had gone wrong. With no new developments

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<v Speaker 1>for the best part of a year, it was sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in August nineteen sixty seven that another witness came forward.

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<v Speaker 1>Security guard Raulino Jomatos was working a spot near to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of Mocha da Vintenne back on the night

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<v Speaker 1>of Wednesday, August seventeenth in nineteen sixty six, when he

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<v Speaker 1>apparently or two men matching Manuel and Miguel's description arrive

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<v Speaker 1>at the spot in a jeep. He claimed also to

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<v Speaker 1>see a blondhaired man in the driver's seat and of

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<v Speaker 1>further two passengers in the back along with the deceased.

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<v Speaker 1>The security guard claimed to have then seen Manuel and

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel leave the vehicle before heading up into the trees

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<v Speaker 1>and disappearing from sight shortly after. In light of this

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<v Speaker 1>new information, the bodies were dug up on August twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifth and given a second autopsy by order of the

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<v Speaker 1>local prosecutor. Sadly, however, no further information was ascertained. The

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<v Speaker 1>following year. However, in June nineteen sixty eight, a radiochemical

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<v Speaker 1>analysis was finally carried out on samples of the deceased's hair,

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<v Speaker 1>which determined at least that the deaths had not been

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<v Speaker 1>caused by the ingestion of either of the foremost common

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<v Speaker 1>poisons used to kill arsnick mercury, barium or thallium, throwing

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<v Speaker 1>the suicide theory even further into doubt. Then, in February

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, police received word from infamous Underworld figure

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton Benzani, who was serving over fifty years in a

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Paulou prison at the time, that he had something

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<v Speaker 1>to confess. A representative was duly sent from the police

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what he had to say. As his story went,

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<v Speaker 1>Benzani was lying low in here Jijaneiro when he was

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<v Speaker 1>approached by three men who introduced themselves only with the

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<v Speaker 1>nicknames Espanol, Wilson, Alamo and Acascio, and offered him a

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<v Speaker 1>large sum of money to help them do a job,

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<v Speaker 1>as he put it in Nito roy. After agreeing to

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<v Speaker 1>the offer, Benzani said he escorted the men to the city,

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<v Speaker 1>where they got in a taxi before later change into

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<v Speaker 1>a private car, with which he drove them all to

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby spiritualist center. Inside the center, Benzani was introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to Miguel and Manuel, who he was told later were

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<v Speaker 1>the intended targets of the job. After participating in assiance together,

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<v Speaker 1>Benzani then claimed that he, along with Espanol Wilson Alamo

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<v Speaker 1>and a Cassio and the owner of the spiritism center,

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<v Speaker 1>drove with Miguel and Manuel to the bottom of Moro

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<v Speaker 1>de Vintaine. Once there, Benzani was ordered to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>the car while the others forced Miguel and Manuel out

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<v Speaker 1>at gunpoint before ushering them up the hill half an

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<v Speaker 1>hour later. According to Benzani, the group then returned without

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<v Speaker 1>Manuel and Miguel carrying a bundle of money they'd stolen

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<v Speaker 1>from the two men Hamilton. Benzani's story was neat enough

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<v Speaker 1>and for someone unlikely to have heard much about the

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<v Speaker 1>finer details at the case, not least of all the

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<v Speaker 1>security guards claimed that he'd seen the two men arrive

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of the hill in a jeep accompanied

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<v Speaker 1>by a number of other people. It had some credibility

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<v Speaker 1>to many others. However, it was all a little too neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Either the police had simply made up the story from

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<v Speaker 1>scratch in an effort to finally close the case, or Benzani,

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<v Speaker 1>who was serving fifty years in prison at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>had spun them a tale in an effort to reduce

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<v Speaker 1>its sentence. With little else to go on. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>case was eventually closed in May nineteen sixty nine. All

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<v Speaker 1>in all, it is certainly one of the more bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>and extraordinary unexplained deaths of recent times, with explanations ranging

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<v Speaker 1>from the mundane to the truly out there, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of it all the enigma of those strange,

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<v Speaker 1>indecipherable lead masks. Not long after the case was closed,

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<v Speaker 1>something else came to light that had somehow been missed

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<v Speaker 1>all those years before, another unexplained death, this time involving

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Ermes Luise Phaytosa, who was also a

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<v Speaker 1>radio and TV technician and had been found dead in

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<v Speaker 1>a similar area of Nita Roy on a hill called

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<v Speaker 1>Maho Do Crozero. It was said that Phayetosa had gone

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<v Speaker 1>out at the hills to utilize psychic skills that he

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<v Speaker 1>hoped would enable him to pick up radio and television

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<v Speaker 1>signals with just the power of his mind, and found

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<v Speaker 1>by his side when his body was finally discovered was

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<v Speaker 1>a single thick lead mask. After next week's ex episode,

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