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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. The Ivory Coast is

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Speaker 1: famous for its cocoa production, but there's another being that's

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Speaker 2: We produced our old coffee. You have more and more

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Speaker 2: local roasters that are coming up.

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Speaker 3: Before it was all about, you know, importing coffee that's produced,

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Speaker 1: Like chocolate. Much of Africa's coffee is sold to be

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Speaker 1: processed abroad. But can one West African entrepreneur bring homegrown

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Speaker 2: We teach a lot of things about coffee, things I

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Speaker 3: It's a new role in discovering and it's also always

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Speaker 1: On this week's special episode of The Next Africa Podcast,

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Speaker 1: I take a look at the growing popularity of specialty

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Speaker 1: to put Ivorian coffee on the map alongside Ethiopia, Kenya

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Speaker 1: and Ganda. I'm Jennifer Zabasaja, and this is the Next

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Speaker 1: Africa Podcast, bringing you one story each week from the

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Speaker 1: continent driving the future of global growth with the context

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Speaker 1: only Bloomberg can provide. When it comes to coffee, The

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Speaker 1: big players most consumers know are Brazil, Vietnam, Indonesia and Colombia.

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Speaker 1: While African farmers are making inroads on the global market,

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Speaker 1: Heidi Baydoun wants to change that. He's the entrepreneur behind

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Speaker 1: Ivorian economic hub of Abijan. I went to meet him

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Speaker 3: Fourth generation Lebanese West African from from West Africa.

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Speaker 3: I've been traveling a lot in the past the past years,

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Speaker 1: And you call it a project, why why do you

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Speaker 3: I guess initially it's not for me. It's it's it's

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Speaker 3: It's changing the paradigm. It's creating something new that basically

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Speaker 3: No one understands that we roast our own coffee traditionally.

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Speaker 3: But what we are proposing is high quality coffee that

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Speaker 1: back at Cafe Continent. I asked Heidi where he wants

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Speaker 1: So how challenging is the market for African coffee. Right now,

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Speaker 1: It's really nice to have you so, Mumbi, you have

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the African continent, a lot of

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Speaker 4: But there's also focus on countries like Rhonda, Burundi, Kenya

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Speaker 4: The story with cocoa, which is the ingredient in chocolate,

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Speaker 1: And this is this is a tradition that I deal

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Speaker 1: a suf commodities reporter. Do you like coffee?

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Speaker 4: Should I lie? Should I tell the truth? I do

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Speaker 4: like coffee only when I really need the caffeine boosts.

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Speaker 4: But I am really a tea drinker. And after having

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Speaker 4: the water bowl, do you know there's always this controversy

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Speaker 4: whether you add the milk first or the tea bug fast.

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Speaker 4: But I put my water on tea bug and then

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Speaker 4: milk later. But I think I am warming up to

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Speaker 4: coffee slowly. The it's slow. Let's start with instant. Then

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Speaker 4: we're going to get to the lattice of the cappuccinos.

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Speaker 1: Much still has a place in this podcast because of course,

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Speaker 1: tea is a very big market for so appreciate that insight.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Mumbi Guitao, and thank you also to

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Speaker 1: Haidi Baydude, the founder of Cafe Continent, for showing me

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Speaker 1: around his grocery in Abijan. This program was produced by

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Speaker 1: Adrian Bradley and tiba Adebayo. Don't forget to follow and

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Speaker 1: review the show wherever you usually get your podcasts. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Zabisaja. Thanks as always for listening