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Speaker 3: dot com. Hey everyone, huge update literally happened live while

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Speaker 3: we were recording the show. Congresswoman Nancy Blosi has officially

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Speaker 3: announced her retirement. She released a new video, Let's take

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Speaker 3: a listen.

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Speaker 4: I stay to my colleagues in the House all the time,

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Speaker 4: no matter what title they have bestowed upon me, Speaker

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Speaker 4: Leasure Whip, there has been no greater honor for me

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Speaker 4: than to stand on the House floor and say I

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Speaker 4: speak for the people of San Francisco. I have truly

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Speaker 4: loved serving as your voice in Congress, and I have

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Speaker 4: always honored the song of Saint Francis. Lord, make me

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Speaker 4: an instrument of thy piece, the anthem of our city.

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Speaker 4: That is why I want you, my fellow San Franciscans,

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Speaker 4: to be the first.

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Speaker 5: To know I will not be seeking.

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Speaker 6: Re election to Congress.

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Speaker 4: With a grateful heart, I look forward to my final

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Speaker 4: year of service as you're proud representative, as we go forward.

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Speaker 4: My message to the city I love.

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Speaker 6: Is this, San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Know your power. We have made history, we have made progress,

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Speaker 4: we have always led the way, and now we must

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Speaker 4: continue to do so.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: There it is seismic announcement to the days after immediately

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Speaker 3: these elections for the Democrats obviously to step down already

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Speaker 3: had HAKEM. Jeffreys, but obviously at Titan, I think in

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Speaker 3: the Democratic Party one of the most efficient power brokers

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Speaker 3: in modern American history, especially up there at the top,

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Speaker 3: long and stored career. I don't want to give too

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Speaker 1: I think along the way too looked pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Though you're definitely right on that one, but we're going

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Speaker 3: to judge on the report card. I wouldn't say it's

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Speaker 3: been all that great. She was a nightmare for Republicans,

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Speaker 3: for Democrats at many times. But you know, at the

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Speaker 3: very least, I do want.

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Speaker 1: To give credit where it is due. People who are

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Speaker 1: eighty years.

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Speaker 3: Old should move on and get the fuck out, so

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Speaker 3: you know what, you didn't die that. I wish that

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Speaker 3: the bar was not that low. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 3: and for leaving. And this blows open the San Francisco primary.

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Speaker 3: There Schwycott, who we had here on the show. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think the guy's got a real shot. He actually

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Speaker 2: They're very you know in terms of their positioning. The

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Speaker 2: you know, dividing line. Shoycott Chocolate Body is AOC's former

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Speaker 2: Very very big student of history as well. I think

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Speaker 5: Word of that in any case.

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Speaker 2: In addition, the expectation is that one of Pelosi's daughters, Christine,

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Speaker 5: That'll be a really fast skinning one.

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Speaker 3: He would asked for her endorsement too, because if she

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Speaker 1: She has survived multiple challenges.

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Speaker 3: Her bid was always look, I'm the power broker and

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get shit done for you.

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Speaker 1: And I mean.

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Speaker 5: Again, but can you transfer that to your kid?

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Speaker 1: It's always been that way.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, truly, like, I have no idea whether

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Speaker 1: It's wow, it's gonna be a crazy race.

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Speaker 3: But you know, at least the honorable thing she's leaving,

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Speaker 3: she's left us with the legacy the stock trade. You know,

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Speaker 3: she's single handedly her riches with her husband. I think

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Speaker 3: Thank you for you and your husband trading your way

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Speaker 2: She really, you know, was a key lynchpin the votes

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Speaker 2: And I mean the thing that she was very effective

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Speaker 2: she was huge fundraiser just to juggernaut with that, which unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: That is really the key to power.

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Speaker 2: She was a much better tactician than Hakeem Jeffries, for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know, she was relished to fight with with Trump,

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Speaker 2: you know, really stared him down in the border wall

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Speaker 2: which was not necessarily, in my view, a positive thing.

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Speaker 2: But from her perspective and from democratic leadership perspective, she

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Speaker 2: was certainly very She was.

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Speaker 3: The master tamer. She chamed AOC, she tamed all of

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Speaker 3: the squad. I mean, you got to give it to her.

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Speaker 3: She was lbjsque in terms of her control that there

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Speaker 3: there are very few like them. There's LBJ In my lifetime.

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Speaker 3: It's been Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi. I haven't seen any

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Speaker 3: greats in Congress. I mean, it's been a long time

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Speaker 3: but you know, really had a harness on the caucus,

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Speaker 3: one of the pioneers of the billionaire, you know, raising

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Speaker 1: There was nobody better aut she understood.

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Speaker 2: She understands power one hundred percent, absolutely understands power.

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Speaker 5: Fascinating life and came from a Baltimore like machine.

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Speaker 6: Paul.

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Speaker 2: Our dad was a family Well so she was sort

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Speaker 2: rare breed. I guess you could say, so, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: good rid It's okay. Let's get to the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Going now to tariffs, there was a massive Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: case yesterday where Trump's tariffs actually appeared before the United

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Speaker 3: States Supreme Court for their legality. The Supreme Court will

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Speaker 3: rule on that imminent question. Hundreds of billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You're saying you're happy with what you came out of them.

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Speaker 7: If I didn't have tariffs, we would we were right now.

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Speaker 8: The entire world would be in a depression because you know,

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Speaker 8: that wasn't a threat against us, that was a thread

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Speaker 7: I did this for the world.

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Speaker 1: I did it for the world. That's his response.

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Speaker 3: Good luck arguing that before the United States Supreme Court, sir,

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Speaker 3: because they are not looking so favorably on your proposal.

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Speaker 3: We have some of the audio just showing some of

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Speaker 1: First, let's start with Justice Gorsic.

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Speaker 9: You say that we shouldn't be so concerned in the

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Speaker 9: That's the gist of it, as I understand it, why

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Speaker 9: we should disregard both major questions and non delegation. So

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Speaker 9: Congress delegate to the president the power to regulate commerce

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Speaker 10: We don't assert that here. That would be a much

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Speaker 10: harder case now in seventeen nine.

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Speaker 9: And that's the logic of your view, though I don't.

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Speaker 10: Think so, because we're dealing with a statute. That was

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Speaker 10: a carefully crafted compromise. It does have all the limitations

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Speaker 9: Saying we shouldn't we shouldn't be concerned with I want

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Speaker 9: to explain to me how you draw the because you

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Speaker 9: and the president has an air and authority and so

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Speaker 9: delegation off the books more or less.

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Speaker 10: And again the phrase that Justice Jackson uses, it just

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Speaker 10: does not apply.

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Speaker 7: At least I know.

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Speaker 9: But that's where you started off, and now you've retreated

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Speaker 10: Well, I think we would have as our frontline position,

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Speaker 7: But at the court doesn't accept it. Then if there

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Speaker 9: T can you give you a reason to accept it?

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Speaker 1: You're also delusional. So the net result would be no

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Speaker 5: But he likes the ability to you.

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Speaker 5: To quote unquote protect Jewish New Yorkers.

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Speaker 11: You have to ask, Kim.

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Speaker 14: know I love you and your own all the time,

444
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Speaker 14: and we ought always a fierce defender of yours.

445
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Speaker 7: But you seem to be like blurring.

446
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Speaker 14: A lot of things together and then looking into that

447
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Speaker 14: camera and say, call us, We're going to make sure

448
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Speaker 14: that he doesn't support.

449
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Speaker 13: Now, I say to Jewish new Yorkers, call us if

450
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Speaker 13: you feel unsafe, I say to Jewish new Yorkers, call

451
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Speaker 13: us your harassment.

452
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Speaker 11: So how about let me clarified.

453
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Speaker 14: How about you calling his team mom Donnie's sing, or

454
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Speaker 14: how about talking to people who may know him and

455
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Speaker 14: you Let's see if I ever now talk to Reverend. Now,

456
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Speaker 14: maybe you guys can get together and have lunch and talk.

457
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Speaker 11: Isn't that work?

458
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Speaker 5: And we can go up the incredible clip. I mean,

459
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Speaker 5: he tries to pull the hole.

460
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, this person is firebombed, and Joe does

461
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Speaker 2: not accept the emotional blacks and he's like, yes, that's terrible.

462
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Speaker 2: I'm sure the mayor would say that's terrible too. Are

463
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Speaker 2: you insinuating that he wouldn't, Oh, well, you'll have to

464
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Speaker 2: ask him. Which is him insinuating that he wouldn't be

465
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Speaker 2: horrified by, you know, some Jewish person getting murdered or

466
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Speaker 2: firebombed or whatever. I mean, it is deeply disgusting, and

467
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Speaker 2: especially at a time I mean, look like there's a

468
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Speaker 2: whole thing happening on the right about whether Nick Fuente

469
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: should be part of the coalition, et cetera, and overt

470
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Speaker 2: like an overt neo Nazi, genuine anti Semite. These people

471
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Speaker 2: don't have anything to say about that, but god forbid,

472
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Speaker 2: you have someone who is anti Zionist and out spoken

473
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Speaker 2: about it. And also, by the way, Muslim total meltdown,

474
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Speaker 2: massive project to track everything, blah blah blah.

475
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Speaker 5: By the way, I don't know if you saw.

476
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Speaker 2: There were just some new stats that came out where

477
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Speaker 2: they did a deep dive into the alleged anti Semitism

478
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Speaker 2: incidents at one particular university, and there was one that

479
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Speaker 2: didn't have to do with Israel one. And so that's

480
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: the game with this dude, and it's become.

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Speaker 1: Even on that. Let me look at the des we

482
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Speaker 1: got to write that, let me see the details.

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Speaker 2: Look with this dude, it's become transparent even to someone

484
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Speaker 2: like Joe Scarborough, who is there saying listen, I'm been

485
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Speaker 2: your defender, and even I'm like, come on, this is

486
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Speaker 2: getting ridiculous. You are trying to insinuate things that are

487
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Speaker 2: wildly unfair against this guy who you know, the only

488
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Speaker 2: thing they can ever point to with him is he

489
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Speaker 2: refused to condemn globalize the Intofada, not that he says it,

490
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Speaker 2: not that he you know, any of that, just that

491
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Speaker 2: he refused to condemn it. That's the closest that they

492
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Speaker 2: can come. And the freak count has been completely deranged.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is so silly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I will say the ADL spent spending

495
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Speaker 3: a time on Nick fin Test and on the right

496
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Speaker 3: wing as well. It's just that they also have the

497
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Speaker 3: Trump administration, I would say, in their pocket per se.

498
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Speaker 3: But they're definitely in a convenient alliance.

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Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of these types, including Natanyahu,

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Speaker 2: who don't really care about actual anti Semitism, so long.

501
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Speaker 2: In fact, in some ways, genuine anti semitism makes their

502
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Speaker 2: case for Israel stronger, of like, we have to have

503
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Speaker 2: the state to protect the Jews. So they've been happy

504
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Speaker 2: to make alliances with you know, far right, like flirting

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Speaker 2: with genuine anti Semitic types, so long as they are

506
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Speaker 2: allowed to have their apartheid, genocidal ethno state. That is

507
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Speaker 2: the one line you can't.

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Speaker 3: I've said, you know, I've sure John put Harrit's who's

509
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Speaker 3: mister commentary Nepo baby literally said Trump can say Shylock

510
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Speaker 3: because he bombed he Ron.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so all right, I mean, well, don't.

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Speaker 3: Really want to hear about anti semitism from you ever again,

513
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Speaker 3: so mister human egg.

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Speaker 1: But that's part of what that's that is kind.

515
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Speaker 3: Of giving away the game. Green Blad already gave the

516
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Speaker 3: game away. This is all just about Israel. These people

517
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Speaker 3: are the woke people on the planet. Every word he

518
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Speaker 3: just said reminds me of the same type of like

519
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 3: blm bullshit rhetoric. By the way, including pointing to incidances.

520
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Speaker 3: Will be like, oh, there's this one incident over there,

521
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Speaker 3: and that is what you have, you know, that is

522
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Speaker 3: exactly what you say when you don't condemn it, and

523
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Speaker 3: people are like, yeah, I obviously condemned that, but that

524
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that I should have to like put on

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Speaker 3: a dashiki and nil in the middle of a square

526
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Speaker 3: and they're like, WHOA, B B And then now in

527
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Speaker 3: this exact same thing, put the next one up on

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Speaker 3: the screen. The ADL has announced a new initiative to

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Speaker 3: quote track monitor policies and personnel appointments of the incoming

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Speaker 3: Mamdani administration to protect Jewish residents across the five boroughs.

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Speaker 3: So the anti anti semis are now making lists of people?

532
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Speaker 3: Are we tracking this? We are now going to make

533
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Speaker 3: lists about the people who do not align with our

534
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Speaker 3: politics and then will publicize that. I mean again, this

535
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Speaker 3: is the same woke tactics that all of these people did,

536
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Speaker 3: like all of the lists of the people who don't

537
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Speaker 3: sign up pledges. They must be fired, they must put

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Speaker 3: their names publicized.

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's just sick seconding to watch.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it really is, especially because nobody in the right

541
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Speaker 3: spectrum is condemning any of this stuff out of an

542
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: alliance of convenience. Because ADL, Miriam Adelson and others are

543
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Speaker 3: just chucking money into the Republican Party. How do you

544
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Speaker 3: not look at the current election results and say, yeah,

545
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Speaker 3: we need to get rid of this shit.

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Speaker 1: People are done with it.

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Speaker 3: The guy who took the podium and said I'm not

548
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Speaker 3: going to visit and I won't, you know, cave to

549
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 3: your tactics just won the election.

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Speaker 1: Learn from it, everybody, just move on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The level of just overt like islamophobic bigotry, it's it

553
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Speaker 2: honestly is higher than even what I saw after nine

554
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: to eleven because it's out in the open, and it

555
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Speaker 2: was both Democrats and Republicans.

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Speaker 5: I mean Cuomo.

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Speaker 2: From the beginning, he was, you know, saying, laughing along

558
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Speaker 2: as someone said that Zorn would be cheering on nine

559
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: to eleven on a radio show, disgusting. He was darkening

560
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Speaker 2: his skin tone and lengthening his beard. In Mailer's you

561
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Speaker 2: had Kirsten Gilibrand calling him a jahattist. I mean, the

562
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Speaker 2: number of people called him a jahattist just oh yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just absolutely insane.

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Speaker 5: And you know, this is the like from the right.

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Speaker 2: It's just uniform across the board, acting like he's going

566
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 2: to implement some kind of like scharial law total insanity,

567
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Speaker 2: and I think, you know, part of his victory was

568
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Speaker 2: voters just being like, this is absolute nonsense, you know,

569
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Speaker 2: and it cut against their argument that he's some you know,

570
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Speaker 2: like he's like a lefty radical communist. But then at

571
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Speaker 2: the same time he's like is mis serial law jahattist.

572
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 2: Two things didn't really work together. And then people see

573
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Speaker 2: the guy and are like, you guys are out of

574
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Speaker 2: your minds, Like this is not credible whatsoever when you're trying.

575
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Speaker 6: To low iq.

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Speaker 3: Islamophobia is an Israel tactic. It's actually one that they've

577
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Speaker 3: explicitly said out in the Olden that's exactly what we

578
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 3: want to do, is to maintain support for Israel, to

579
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Speaker 3: make it so that it's like an abrahamick, you know,

580
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Speaker 3: we all band together against the Muslims the West about

581
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Speaker 3: the West. But then you're like, wait, do Western countries

582
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 3: usually have right to rape protests? Is that the same

583
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: barbaric behavior that you condemn in Islamic country? Because oh,

584
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: maybe you're actually kind of the same and that's actually

585
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: really not good for you, And so like that's that's

586
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: what they really run into. A lot of it is

587
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 3: being pushed by the Randy finds of the world.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating.

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00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: It actually is is that much of the anti Israel right,

590
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Speaker 3: which is probably more predisposed to being explicitly anti Muslim,

591
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Speaker 3: is not the one who is pushing this.

592
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: It is actually the.

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Speaker 3: Capital l like liberal right, the people who are pro Israel,

594
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: who are the ones who are most embracing this, like

595
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: Sharia law coming to New York City stuff, and it's

596
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: literally just to it's literally just to protect pro Israel politics.

597
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Yes, it's totally crazy.

598
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Speaker 3: It's like Randy Fine and all these other people who

599
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: are the ones who are pushing it the most.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, don't fall for it. And also

601
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Speaker 1: like I.

602
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Speaker 3: Really just believe in like like looking at stuff on

603
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Speaker 3: their face and it's like, oh.

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Speaker 1: So is Zoron Mamdani is Sharia law?

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Speaker 3: The guy whose wife wears like a brass England under

606
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 3: a sea through sure is Like I just don't really

607
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: think that's accurate. Zoron is from a chit lib family, Like.

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Speaker 5: No, he's from a legit leftist.

609
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Speaker 1: Okay, well family.

610
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Speaker 3: I would say, there's not too much of a distinction

611
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Speaker 3: on the culture. And that's kind of what I'm getting

612
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: at is if you look at the like milieu of

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Speaker 3: which Zoron and the people come from. Amongst Indians, they

614
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: are one of the most hated subgroups of like the

615
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Speaker 3: high elite.

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Speaker 1: I think even this is.

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Speaker 3: Very in the weeds, but the Indians will know what

618
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I think Zoron quoted Nehru. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So Nehru is probably like the biggest villain in India

620
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Speaker 3: right now under the nationalist government because he's the one

621
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Speaker 3: who kind of pushed this so called like heterogeneous society

622
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Speaker 3: which was explicitly pro most whatever.

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Speaker 1: We can go to the base later, but the point.

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Speaker 3: Is is just that doing that, he's not a Sharia

625
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: law personal. It's just a capital L liberal, like quite

626
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: literally interned a lot of his positions and looking at

627
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: him explicitly, it's just so insane, you know, to say

628
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: that that is what's coming. It's like he probably is

629
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: much more socially liberal than ninety nine percent of.

630
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Speaker 1: The US population.

631
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Speaker 3: So just to call it by what it is, I

632
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: don't understand why they can't do it well.

633
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: And here's the thing too, is they've so Bannon and

634
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Andy Ougles and Randy Fine are all threatening to denaturalize him.

635
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: They're trying to introduce bills in Congress also to keep

636
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Speaker 2: him from being from being sworn in using the fourteenth

637
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: Amendment somehow. I mean, I'm not going to say these

638
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: things are going to work out, but you know, I

639
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: mean the attack on him personally and just again in

640
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: the most flagrantly racist ways you can imagine, just because

641
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: he's Muslim, he must be into Sharia law.

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00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: Jihad is literally.

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Speaker 2: The argument that's being made here is so repellent and repulsive.

644
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: And then there's a level of genuine hysteria that I think,

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00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think some of these people genuinely believe

646
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Speaker 2: that he's going to like authorize pogroms against.

647
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Speaker 5: Jews in New York City. Like I think they believe that.

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Speaker 1: I think they believe it because of the ADLs.

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Speaker 5: Of the world totally.

650
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Speaker 3: Who are there are the people who are the ones

651
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Speaker 3: who are pushing put.

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Speaker 2: Two D three up on the screen. This is just

653
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Speaker 2: one sign of the insanity here. So NYC's fire commissioner

654
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Speaker 2: is resigning from the administration over disagreements with Zoron on Israel.

655
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Speaker 2: Let me read you that sentence again and tell me

656
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Speaker 2: if this makes any sense. New York City's fire commissioner

657
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Speaker 2: is resigning over Mam Donnie's positions on Israel first and

658
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Speaker 2: familiar with Tucker's decisions that it was influenced by Zoran's

659
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Speaker 2: Zionis view, by his own Zionis views, and believes that

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Speaker 2: he could not continue to serve under Mamdani. Now, I

661
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Speaker 2: don't think this individual will be a particularly large loss.

662
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Speaker 2: Apparently he had no like background in firefighting whatsoever. He

663
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Speaker 2: was some sort of an Eric Adams donor effectively, and

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Speaker 2: that's how he ends up in the position. But that

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Speaker 2: is so deranged and insane that that is like a

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Speaker 2: sentence and a sentiment that exists. And then the last one,

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Speaker 2: let me just put this up on the screws. Is

668
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Speaker 2: kind of funny. Everybody was sharing this New York Post headline,

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Speaker 2: which I don't find this poll particularly credible, but whatever

670
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Speaker 2: they say, there were nearly a million New Yorkers ready

671
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Speaker 2: to flee New York City if Mom Donnie becomes mayor,

672
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Speaker 2: possibly igniting largest exodus in history. Ryan pointed out, you know,

673
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Speaker 2: if these million people who are supposed to get to

674
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Speaker 2: pack up and move had just showed up to the polls,

675
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Speaker 2: they could have voted for someone else, and he never

676
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Speaker 2: would have won, which is why it's not very definitely not.

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Speaker 2: But I will tell you that, you know, all the

678
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Speaker 2: New Yorkers that I've talked to have been like, please go,

679
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Speaker 2: Like if you said you're going to leave, please do

680
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: because that will actually like that will actually drive down

681
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Speaker 2: costs and make life easier for us, and we just

682
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Speaker 2: don't particularly want you here.

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Speaker 6: So look, bye, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you guys can watch our segment, and I

685
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Speaker 3: talked about it. I don't think like I'm making a bet.

686
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Speaker 3: And if I could make a poly market bet, I

687
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: would aggregate rent will be hired four years from today,

688
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Speaker 3: outpacing inflation. Then it will be on the day that's

689
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Speaker 3: wrong like that, I will put a marker down. I

690
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Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna work.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the people who are leaving, if it's

693
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Speaker 3: it's about the right type of people. If the millionaire

694
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Speaker 3: millennials and NAPO babies leave, yeah, it's great, right, But

695
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Speaker 3: if you have younger families and other people who are

696
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Speaker 3: middle class, and I was gonna say, those are the

697
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Speaker 3: people who are leaving who shouldn't be leaving. If you

698
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Speaker 3: allegedly are a great place to raise a family. Now,

699
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Speaker 3: if you have net migration of those types, then yeah,

700
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Speaker 3: I would say it's been it's a failure. So look,

701
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Speaker 3: people should be judged on outcomes and we'll see how

702
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Speaker 3: it works out. Like I said, I don't think much

703
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Speaker 3: of it is gonna work. I think a lot of

704
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be virtue signaling. And you know, most of

705
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Speaker 3: his speech was about Trump and all that, which is

706
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Speaker 3: smart politically. I would do the same thing because then

707
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: it's about a boogeyman who's attacking us and not about

708
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Speaker 3: whether I'm going to lower the rent or any of

709
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Fine, if that's what you guys want for your mayor,

711
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Speaker 1: and be cool. I don't think it's.

712
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Speaker 5: Fair to say that most of his speech was Yes.

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Speaker 1: I watched the entire thing, the most high drumtifically.

714
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: About Trump is directly threatening the city with you know,

715
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Speaker 2: stripping their funding and sending an eye on all of that.

716
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Speaker 2: But number two, I mean, I like he definitely centered

717
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Speaker 2: his campaign promises.

718
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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying he didn't do that, but there

719
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Speaker 3: were significant portions which were dedicated to national issues.

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Speaker 1: But I mean that's my kind of my point. I

721
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Speaker 1: think you'll be absolutely.

722
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Speaker 3: Saved by it, by the fact is is like, I

723
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: think that's what a lot of those voters want. I'm

724
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Speaker 3: not so sure many of them even particularly care whether

725
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Speaker 3: he can even deliver on his promises. Most of politics

726
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 3: is about whether somebody appears to be fighting for you.

727
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Speaker 1: But we'll see.

728
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I put my marker down. If

729
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Speaker 3: the rent goes down, I'll be happy for.

730
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Speaker 1: You, I really will be. But I don't think it's

731
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Speaker 1: gonna work.

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Speaker 3: Okay, We've got what summer Lee standing by, so why

733
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Speaker 3: don't we get to it.

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Speaker 2: We are very fortunate to be joined in studio this

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Speaker 2: morning by Congresswoman Summer Lee. She is a progressive representative

736
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Speaker 2: of the Pittsburgh area.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you.

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Speaker 6: It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, been too well and in person. Yes, indeed, double treat.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of things I want to talk

741
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Speaker 2: to you about. First, let's just jump in with like

742
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Speaker 2: the overall election results. What do you think is the

743
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Speaker 2: message that American people were trying to send?

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Speaker 15: Oh my goodness, you know, I think I don't want

745
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Speaker 15: to take this election alone. I want to take both

746
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Speaker 15: of the elections together, right, because I think that weaving

747
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 15: them together tells a big story.

748
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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 15: I think that last November it was it was a change.

750
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Speaker 15: It was like, we want systemic change. We want to

751
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Speaker 15: see an acknowledgment that things aren't working, that the way

752
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Speaker 15: that things have gone for so long that we don't like.

753
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Speaker 15: And I think that coupling this one, I think I honestly,

754
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Speaker 15: I think it's that people horrified, right. You know, oftentimes

755
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Speaker 15: obviously when the party empower, you know, faces an election,

756
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Speaker 15: it usually is a blood path. But I do think

757
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Speaker 15: that and I am grateful that people came out.

758
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Speaker 6: People came out.

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Speaker 15: They some a lot of people felt like they had,

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Speaker 15: you know, something actually exciting to vote for. You have

761
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Speaker 15: other folks who felt like they were voting against something.

762
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Speaker 6: Whatever it was.

763
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Speaker 15: Folks showed up, and I think they sent the message

764
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Speaker 15: that they don't I don't like the direction uh that

765
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Speaker 15: Trump and uh, you know, his folks are are taking

766
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Speaker 15: us in currently.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you think for Democrats? Like, what

768
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Speaker 2: do you think Democrats should take from that?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

770
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Speaker 15: My goodness, I think that you know, I think that

771
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Speaker 15: we're always gonna take the wrong lesson. Honestly, I sometimes

772
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 15: wonder if we're doomed to take the wrong lesson. You know,

773
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Speaker 15: I think that a couple, you know, separate them right

774
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Speaker 15: obviously with Zoron, with Zoran, I just feel like energy.

775
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 15: You know, people have been begging for some sort of

776
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Speaker 15: just responsive representation that says, I see you, I know you.

777
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 6: I'm not going to be.

778
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Speaker 15: Afraid to lift up just like the regular stuff that

779
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Speaker 15: you want, not gonna tiptoe around it, right, I'm going

780
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Speaker 15: to actually go and be amongst you and going to.

781
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Speaker 6: Go to where you are. I'm going to bring you.

782
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Speaker 6: That's what people. People like that every time, people like that.

783
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Speaker 15: And then you know, I think that we watch We

784
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Speaker 15: all watched it, right, We watched for months, as you know,

785
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Speaker 15: some democratic figures, you know, they didn't want to endorse,

786
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Speaker 15: They didn't want to you.

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Speaker 6: Know, touch them.

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Speaker 15: I think that that is a little bit of an

789
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Speaker 15: indicator that we're making the wrong decision, we're taking the

790
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Speaker 15: wrong message.

791
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Speaker 2: Yeah, can let me tell you what I've been thinking

792
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: about with that. So you had you know, Kirsten Jelibrand

793
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Speaker 2: I think, never endorsed, called him anchihadist, unbelievable. You had

794
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer, never endorsed, wouldn't say who voted for on

795
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: election day when the other choice was either an actual

796
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: Republican or the guy who was endorsed by Donald Trump.

797
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: And you can't tell us that you voted for the

798
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: Democratic nominee, okay, but King Jeffries did at the very

799
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Speaker 2: last minute, very reluctantly and passive aggressively didn't forgive him that.

800
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Speaker 2: And so I've been thinking about, you know, what is it, right,

801
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: what is it about this man that is so repellent.

802
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Speaker 15: I don't think it's just this man, to be clear,

803
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 15: and don't get me wrong, Yeah, I think that there

804
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 15: are parts of this man.

805
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Speaker 6: That makes it easier for them to be except.

806
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Speaker 15: For some folks to be as outwork, right, because he

807
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 15: is young, he's Muslim, he's an immigrant, right, yeah, especially Muslim,

808
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 15: Like I think that sometimes that gives people a little bit.

809
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Speaker 6: More of a comfort that they just should not have.

810
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

811
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Speaker 6: But we we saw with me in my early days

812
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Speaker 6: when I first ran.

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Speaker 15: We see it with a lot of like young especially

814
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Speaker 15: people call it and progressive, that my nation really does

815
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 15: something to be established.

816
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Speaker 2: And here's what I came to. So I think Israel

817
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: is a big part of it. I think there's any

818
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Speaker 2: doubt about that. And I want to dig into that

819
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: more with you, because for people who don't know. I

820
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: mean the Israel lobby spent You can tell me how

821
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: many millions against you, trying to defeat you, and they

822
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Speaker 2: they failed. And that was at a time when awareness

823
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Speaker 2: of a pac and like Israel was not the red

824
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Speaker 2: hot dividing line with the level of public awareness that

825
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Speaker 2: it is a day now it is a different day.

826
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Speaker 2: So I want to get into that with you. But

827
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it with Zorin. I think I think

828
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Speaker 2: number one, it's his, you know, just stridently, like I'm

829
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: not going to couch out you. I'm not going to

830
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: tell you the things you want to hear. I'm going

831
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Speaker 2: to say I think it should be a state with

832
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Speaker 2: equal rights. You know, I'm going to stand firm on

833
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 2: my position. And I think it's that. But I also

834
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: think it's this sense from democratic leadership that they are

835
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Speaker 2: losing control of their ability to tell the base who

836
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Speaker 2: they are allowed to vote for, and so they're not

837
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Speaker 2: And Zoron, to me is the biggest example of you know,

838
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: they did everything they could. They had their scion of

839
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Speaker 2: a storied political family, and Andrew Cuomo, we had all the

840
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: money behind him in the world, etc. They tried to

841
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: paint Zorn as a Jottist, anti Semite, which is just

842
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: all that stuff which is insane and totally racist, and

843
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: all of their normal tactics completely fell flat. And you

844
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: see this right now with Graham Platner as well, where

845
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: voters are like, no, we're gonna judge for ourselves, and

846
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Speaker 2: you're not going to get to tell us that is

847
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Speaker 2: different from the past. I mean, in twenty twenty, we

848
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Speaker 2: all watched when the political and media leadership said it's

849
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Speaker 2: got to be Joe Biden. It was Joe Biden, and

850
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Speaker 2: the Democratic base largely listened. They had a lot of sway.

851
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Speaker 2: And so to me, that's actually the more existential threat

852
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Speaker 2: for them, and the more existential sense for them is

853
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Speaker 2: that the fact that they would still stick with the

854
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Speaker 2: sky and give him this massive upset victory that means

855
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Speaker 2: we don't have the power anymore. Oh.

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Speaker 15: I think that that's absolutely like the underlying thing behind

857
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Speaker 15: a lot of progresses, right, this idea that we don't

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Speaker 15: you know, we're not playing the whole, you know, we

859
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 15: we're choosing both masters.

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Speaker 6: We're not on the fence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, we.

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Speaker 15: Are unapologetically against corporate interests, you know, especially those corporate interests, right,

863
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Speaker 15: that are not in line with working class people. Unapologetically

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Speaker 15: for working class people. They threw everything that they could

865
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Speaker 15: at that man, and you know what he did. He

866
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Speaker 15: pivoted every time to yeah, but the price of housing.

867
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Speaker 15: But but but the buses, right, but affordability, but affordability, right?

868
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Speaker 15: And then I think that they that is not a

869
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Speaker 15: politics that they've been allowed to do. So I think,

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Speaker 15: on one hand, when they see an uninhibited progressive candidate

871
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Speaker 15: like Zoran, you know, they see what they were never able.

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Speaker 5: To be, right, a political jealousy.

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Speaker 15: I feel like that, right, And this could be just me,

874
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Speaker 15: you know, therapizing them, but just having experiences for some time, right,

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Speaker 15: I think that there has been this club that exists

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Speaker 15: and this is the way that we do it. And

877
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 15: our number one god is income to see itself, right,

878
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 15: our number maybe fighting fighting with right, you know, our

879
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 15: lobbyst our, corporate interests, the money, the big, big, big,

880
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 15: big big money that comes into these races, right, and

881
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 15: then you get someone who comes in and says, I'm

882
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 15: going to bypass that money.

883
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 6: I'm going to go.

884
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 15: Straight to people in ways like we saw the same thing,

885
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 15: which is all the progress from from twenty eighteen and

886
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 15: I'm not going to start what the world didn't start

887
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 15: at twenty eighteen, right, that's the world that I know

888
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 15: right twenty eighteen on right, it was like this atymosity

889
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 15: that instead of going to the same consultants, we went

890
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 15: straight to social media, to digital, to email, to the streets,

891
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 15: grassroots volunteers, bringing in people, growing the base that we're

892
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 15: bringing people in who aren't always the ones who get

893
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 15: the mailers, they're not the ones who get the phone

894
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 15: called old methods, right, revolutionize the way that we interact

895
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 15: with people, you know, who we're interacting with them on

896
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 15: behalf and how we talk about things. That's all that

897
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 15: is all different than what they've all known. So yeah,

898
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 15: I think that just this idea that we recognize that

899
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 15: the system itself, whoever is empower in the system, the

900
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 15: system itself has to change. Is it's frightening for folks

901
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 15: for an institution that has relied on the counterbalance between

902
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 15: one corporate own interest and the other one.

903
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: I think that's very insightful because I think part of

904
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: the psychology there is there's a lot of telling themselves

905
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: a story of like, well, I wish I could be

906
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 2: for medicare for all, but that's just it.

907
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 6: You always hear people say that I wish, I.

908
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Wish I could or I wish I could be more

909
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: outspoken on it. But this is just the reality. And

910
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: so when you have people who are actually doing this, yes,

911
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: it makes them their whole narrative of why they haven't

912
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: done the things that they really need to do to

913
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 2: deliver and people it crumbles and their excuse falls apart.

914
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: Or you know it, that's crumblle.

915
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 15: But don't get me wrong, right, because the reality is

916
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 15: is that, yeah, we've come a long way on being

917
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 15: able to speak out, you know, just very clear about

918
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 15: the genocide, you know, and just all the things that

919
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 15: led up to it for decades. And there are also

920
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 15: a lot of people who lost. Yeah, so the reality

921
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 15: of you know what you know can happen the money

922
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 15: that will come in after you and not just the money, right,

923
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 15: because it's not just political it's not just political pressure.

924
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 7: Right.

925
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 6: We know that there are people in nonprofits.

926
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 15: Folks have faced world retribution for speaking the truth on

927
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 15: this one. So I don't want to say that like

928
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 15: it crumbles, but I do want to say that bravery,

929
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 15: like having courage is it's frightening for people who have

930
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 15: chosen to not right, So because it's like, oh, I'm

931
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 15: choosing my comfort because when I spoke out right, when

932
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 15: and that spoke out right, when I was just me

933
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 15: and Apac chose to come after me, right, I knew

934
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 15: that there could be a consequence, and I chose to

935
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 15: say that it was more important for me to be honest,

936
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 15: more important for me to be truthful and real to

937
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 15: my values, you know, and it come with may and

938
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 15: there are a lot of.

939
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 6: People who don't want to do that. So I think

940
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 6: that that is another thing too.

941
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit more about that race

942
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: and the amount of money that was spent spent against

943
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: you and also like what was it for? What had

944
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: you said that was so deeply offensive or what had

945
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: you done that was so deeply offensive that justified this

946
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: multimillion dollar smear campaigning.

947
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 15: Honestly, what they spent against me then is peanuts. Peanuts,

948
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 15: And what they're spending now, right, I think they spent

949
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 15: like an easily four and a half million against me.

950
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: You know what are they sat against Jamal Bowman or

951
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 5: twenty million or something? Insane?

952
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 15: Yeah, many many millions, yeah, right, just and it's gonna

953
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 15: keep getting bigger. Honestly, I hadn't even said anything right

954
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 15: when I first ran, you know, for Congress. I think

955
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 15: I had literally one post. I had one tweet once

956
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 15: that said, honestly, that likened what I saw and what

957
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 15: I perceived what's happening to Black Lives matter?

958
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 6: And that was just that was that was.

959
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 15: A bridge too far for them, because I think that

960
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 15: so many people want.

961
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 6: Black folks to stay out of it.

962
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 15: They want black folks to have a one dimensional view

963
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 15: of things. So I was threatening just by being black

964
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 15: and progressive.

965
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: How you likened the Palestinian struggle to basically like black

966
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: liberation struggles.

967
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was It was.

968
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 6: One tweet too too far.

969
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 15: Apak has never reached out to me, Like we know

970
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 15: the narrative right, a new candidate shows up, the first

971
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 15: the first call they usually get is from their local

972
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 15: APAC rep.

973
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 6: You know, then they do the interest paper. You people

974
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 6: have talked about it, you know.

975
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 15: We've talked about it, you know, even Thomas Massy like

976
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 15: people have been.

977
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 6: People are talking about it more now it is a

978
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 6: real thing.

979
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 15: Apec is ever reached out to me. Aback has never

980
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 15: asked for a meeting. They looked at why do you

981
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 15: think that. Honestly, I'm not even sure, right, I'd like

982
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 15: to hope that they looked at me and said, the

983
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 15: good sense is unboughten on boss, it wouldn't matter if

984
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 15: we call.

985
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's.

986
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 15: The real reason, because they have actually reached out to

987
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 15: other folks. Yeah, you know, other folks in my cohort. Yeah,

988
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 15: they didn't even bother with me. They were like, we

989
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 15: don't want her.

990
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 2: Well, I know Jamal Bowman told us that they reached

991
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: out to him, and he said politely declined, and then

992
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: they went through another organization, that black organization, yes, a

993
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: black men organization in New York, that he had a

994
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: positive relationship with, and basically like tricked him into having

995
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: a meeting with them because they were so desperate to

996
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: like get that in. So it's very interesting that they

997
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: just didn't even didn't even try with you. And then

998
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: they saw that one tweet and they're like, Okay, we

999
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: got to go all out to make this, make sure

1000
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 2: that this lady is defeated. But they failed in your case,

1001
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: they failed in other cases. You're right, they did succeed,

1002
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: and I want to know from your perspective, you know,

1003
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: how much things have shifted, how much more, how much

1004
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: further you're allowed to go, because again what you said

1005
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: is so tame compared to you know, I mean now

1006
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: like it's undeniable to genocide. Vast majority of Democratic voters

1007
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: say it's a genocide. We should not be funding them

1008
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: at all. Ever, again, the disconnect between where the base

1009
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party is and where Democratic leadership is

1010
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: too is truly, you know, something beyond what I've ever

1011
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: seen before on any issue. So, you know, talk a

1012
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: little bit about some of those dynamics, how much further

1013
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 2: you feel like politicians feel like they can go. And

1014
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: then also whether or not Democratic leadership realizes how at

1015
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: odds they are with.

1016
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 5: Their own voters here, Yes, yes they are.

1017
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 15: So when when right after October seventh, and you know,

1018
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 15: there were many people who were like, we can see

1019
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 15: what's going to happen, Like we can see what's going

1020
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 15: to happen because right history we come out with the

1021
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 15: Seaspire Now Resolution.

1022
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 6: When we introduced that.

1023
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 15: I think it was maybe nine people on that by

1024
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 15: the time that Congress ended. I think that we have

1025
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 15: never gotten a white person to sign on. I don't

1026
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 15: think we ever got a white person.

1027
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 6: Take now our h oh, what is the the weapons

1028
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 6: and the bombs? Yeah, the block the bombs. So now

1029
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: my roommates block the bombs.

1030
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 15: Resolution I think what we're already maybe beyond twenties thirties.

1031
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 6: Right, and and more coming every day.

1032
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 15: We've been in a shutdown for six weeks, and from

1033
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 15: what I understand, there are still more people who are

1034
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 15: looking to get on it. Now you have people who

1035
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 15: are saying, for whatever reason they're saying it, that they

1036
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 15: will not accept a pack dollars. That is because of

1037
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 15: the work that has happened on the ground to educate

1038
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 15: people on how this organization has moved, how they have come,

1039
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 15: especially into black and brown distris dictions that don't have

1040
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 15: as much money, don't have as many resources, and really

1041
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 15: honed on those districts.

1042
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 6: Right, people are now waking.

1043
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 15: Up to that people are coming, and they're running on

1044
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 15: both opposite ends of the spectrum. Some people are like, listen,

1045
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 15: I'm still you know, you know Israel one hundred percent right,

1046
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 15: there is no nuance. And there are people who are like, okay,

1047
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 15: but yes, these kids, right, and what's happening with these hospitals,

1048
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 15: Like what's happening right with these journalists. Right, there are

1049
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 15: people who are questioning it out loud in ways that

1050
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 15: we've never seen more.

1051
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 6: People are speaking out in their ways.

1052
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 15: Back when it first happened, we were in People don't

1053
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 15: remember this, but we were in.

1054
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 6: We were in session for I think like ten weeks straight.

1055
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 15: It wasn't until people went back home and then they

1056
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 15: found that at their town halls people were saying ceasefire, right,

1057
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 15: and that they were going and they were finding they

1058
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 15: were talking to their district staffers, and their district staffers

1059
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 15: are saying people are calling and they are horrified by

1060
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 15: not just what they're seeing but your stance. So no,

1061
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 15: I think that they've known for some time that their

1062
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 15: districts do not align with this.

1063
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 6: This is why they're trying to change the narrative.

1064
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1065
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 6: They're trying to say, oh, well, you don't know enough to.

1066
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 15: Talk about this, right, but you don't understand right, No,

1067
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 15: all lobbyists have a right to exist, right. I've heard that,

1068
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 15: which is why I focus laser focused on money and politics.

1069
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 6: I don't care if it's APEC, if.

1070
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 15: It's crypto pack, if it's oil and gas, if it's pharma,

1071
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 15: if it's the NRA I do not believe that any corporation,

1072
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 15: any lobby it should be able to have that much

1073
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 15: access and influence to members of Congress and to the

1074
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 15: financial processes of running for office.

1075
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 6: You don't have a democracy.

1076
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 15: You do not have a democracy when the people themselves

1077
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 15: do not get to make their own determinations for who

1078
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 15: they want in office.

1079
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 6: And there are some districts where that's what they want.

1080
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 15: They want somebody who doesn't care about agenocid.

1081
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 6: They want people like that.

1082
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 15: That's fine, But most districts in every dish shoul get

1083
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 15: to choose that.

1084
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's very I think that's really important,

1085
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: really well said and fascinating look at I mean the

1086
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: thing that I just keep struggling with is then, what

1087
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: is it that keeps so many of them from changing

1088
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: their position?

1089
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 6: Like, why is it they don't have to but they

1090
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 6: don't have a I think I do think it is.

1091
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 15: I think it goes back to that beginning. They have

1092
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 15: known a politics. That's the only politics that they've known. Sony, Yes,

1093
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Speaker 15: muscl the memory. They've done their politics this way from

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Speaker 15: the time that they got in You go better and different, good,

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Speaker 15: better and different, being brave And I'm not saying this

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Speaker 15: as an excuse. Being brave in politics is under rewarded

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Speaker 15: and understated.

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Speaker 6: Every day you're judgling, you're juggling interest.

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Speaker 15: Right, do I vote on that bill with a poison

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Speaker 15: pill that people aren't going to understand, knowing that I

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Speaker 15: won't have enough money to get the message out?

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Speaker 6: We run every two years when we're.

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Speaker 15: Talking about just just how much money comes into politics, now,

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Speaker 15: like this is the race to the bottom, right, it was?

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Speaker 15: It was remarkable that year that they spent four million

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Speaker 15: dollars against me. They went the next race after me

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Speaker 15: and spent eight million against Donna Edwards. Right then you

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Speaker 15: saw how much of cost you know, to run the

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Speaker 15: most expensive racist in history last cycle and primaries, Right,

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Speaker 15: it's only going to get more expensive. And if you're

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Speaker 15: somebody who doesn't want to spend all your time downing

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Speaker 15: for dollars, if you're a black elected and you're like

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Speaker 15: where I who would I doubt for to get it?

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Speaker 6: You're poor? Who would I doubt for to even get it? You?

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Speaker 15: You got to wait these interests. So I think that

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Speaker 15: the lack of courage is also conditioned. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 15: that's conditioned. And I think that you don't people don't

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Speaker 15: understand how often like people who are palesting in, people

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Speaker 15: who are poor, the kids who are you know, facing

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Speaker 15: gun balance in their school, right, they don't. They don't

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Speaker 15: have the access to Congress people like we do. You know,

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Speaker 15: people with diabetes people, you know, they're not up in

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Speaker 15: our offices every day. They don't have the power to

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Speaker 15: you know, get an audience with both the speaker and

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Speaker 15: the leader by Cameron, with the President you know JPP.

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Speaker 15: They don't get meetings with Trump, right. So it is

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Speaker 15: also who you see. And too often people can just

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Speaker 15: excuse a different perspective because they don't hear that perspective.

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Speaker 15: They don't have to hear that perspective. Yeah, we have

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Speaker 15: to change that.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about Mayor electmom Donnie. Let

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Speaker 2: me play a little bit of highlights from his victory speech.

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Speaker 8: The sun may have set over our city this evening,

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Speaker 8: but as Eugene Debs once said, I can see the

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Speaker 8: dawn of a better day for humanity. We will prove

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Speaker 8: that there is no problem too large for government to

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Speaker 8: solve and no concern too small for it to care about.

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump. Since I know you're watching, I have four

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Speaker 8: words for you turn the volume up, President Trump. When

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Speaker 8: I say this, to get to any of us, you

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Speaker 8: will have to get through all of us.

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Speaker 2: So Zoron, I mean unbelievable star power starting the speech

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Speaker 2: with the Eugene DEM's quote.

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Speaker 5: Loved that moment.

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Speaker 2: And now you've got this big discussion happening on the

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Speaker 2: Democratic side of the aisle of like, Okay, what does

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Speaker 2: the future of the Democratic Party look like? Is a

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Speaker 2: candidates like Zoran the cannon. It's more like Abigail Spamberger,

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Speaker 2: who is more of a centrist. After Donald Trump was elected,

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Speaker 2: she came out and shut her finger at the left.

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Speaker 2: Have to sell your fault. This guy's coming back in

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Speaker 2: your power. And you know, I mean the truth of

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Speaker 2: the matter is it didn't matter what type of Democrat

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Speaker 2: you were this week.

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Speaker 5: They all won, including j.

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Speaker 2: Jones, who you know, had a pretty significant scandal and

1157
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Speaker 2: actually still outpaced Kamala Harris. So you know, I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: how you're thinking about that and how you would make

1159
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Speaker 2: the case that you know, the politics that you and

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Speaker 2: I both share is the correct direction for it for

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Speaker 2: Democrats not just to win, but to actually deliver for

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Speaker 2: people and making sure that we're not that we're putting

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Speaker 2: this rising fascism to bed.

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Speaker 15: I beg, I beg of democrats, I beg of you all.

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Speaker 6: I one of us.

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Speaker 15: To get out of this idea that all voters exist

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Speaker 15: on the same like linear you know model that we

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Speaker 15: make our politics exist. And the reality is is that,

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Speaker 15: you know, this whole left, right middle thing, it is

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Speaker 15: not how people organize their lives.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's also just not how people organize their politics.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: We talked earlier about how ZORWM was.

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Speaker 15: Just relentless and focusing on his people, focusing on his

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Speaker 15: people wherever they were, with whatever the comment, the topic was.

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Speaker 15: He made a point of getting back to the things

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Speaker 15: that people care about, and that's how you earn it,

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Speaker 15: and that's how you earn trust.

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Speaker 6: But to do that, he.

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Speaker 15: Had to know what people cared about. He had to

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Speaker 15: know what excited them. He had to be a genuine,

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Speaker 15: authentic messenger.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 15: So number one, we don't have a messenger. We don't

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Speaker 15: have a message problem with a messenger problem.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 15: The future of the Democratic Party is going to be

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Speaker 15: one that picks a side, right, and the side isn't

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Speaker 15: you know.

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Speaker 6: Are we going to be Are we going to be

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Speaker 6: the scary left. Are we going to be the center?

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Speaker 15: No, the side is are you going to be for

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Speaker 15: the people? Are you going to be for the special interests?

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Speaker 15: That's the first thing that we have to do.

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Speaker 6: So before we go into.

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Speaker 15: Analyzing these races, we're just all Dems one, all dims

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Speaker 15: one wherever a dim rand like. Let's talk about what

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Speaker 15: the DEM Party brand is going to be.

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Speaker 6: I don't really care if you are a centrist.

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Speaker 15: I do care if you are somebody who believes that

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Speaker 15: a corporation has more right to to be comfortable in

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Speaker 15: the society, to be taken care of than working class people.

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Speaker 15: And you cannot convince me that whether you are in

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Speaker 15: the Appalachian Mountains, or if you are in the Deep South,

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Speaker 15: or if you are you know, on the coasts, you

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Speaker 15: can't convince me that people want corporations to have more rights,

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Speaker 15: to have more access to care than regular people.

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Speaker 6: So we got to get rid of that one.

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Speaker 15: I think that is the number one thing, But a

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Speaker 15: number two yeah, I think we should not discount what

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Speaker 15: people like Zorwan are able to do.

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Speaker 6: The cities do exist.

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Speaker 15: We should not have to moderate our politics to the

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Speaker 15: areas that we don't represent. Just like Nebraska gets the

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Speaker 15: right to have a representative that reflects them and their values.

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 15: Why should our urban areas not. Why should black areas

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Speaker 15: not get to have that? Why should pored areas not get.

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Speaker 6: To have that?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 15: We get to have that too, And I think that

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Speaker 15: too often the party likes to exclude us. Right, the

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Speaker 15: pathway to two eighteen comes through our blue areas too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah, what do we make of I saw

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Speaker 2: Corey Booker in particular, peop Food Judge in particular.

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Speaker 5: Like, congratulations to all the dums but non really z

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Speaker 5: or I mean they just couldn't.

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Speaker 6: That's a choice up.

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Speaker 2: And you know the funny thing to me too is

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Speaker 2: with Pete Boodha Judge's post in particular, he mentioned the

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Speaker 2: affordability message that span Berger and Mikey Cherow ran on,

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Speaker 2: which you know, especially Cheryl every Day, right, And I

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Speaker 2: mean he really, in my opinion, you can tell me

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Speaker 2: if you disagree with this, he was really the one

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Speaker 2: that led the way on that and showed this is powerful,

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Speaker 2: this very byary, but that this is very powerful. This

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Speaker 2: politics is so powerful that it can turn Trump voters

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Speaker 2: back to the Democratic Party. It can allow me to

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Speaker 2: win young men by forty points. It can allow me

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Speaker 2: to unseat a legit political dynasty, coming from zero percent

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Speaker 2: of the vote to victory with a majority of the

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Speaker 2: vote on election day. That's how powerful this message is.

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Speaker 2: And so to just erase him from that I found

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Speaker 2: to be very offensive.

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Speaker 15: Again, it comes back to that lack of courage, right,

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Speaker 15: because at the end of the day, they will always use.

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Speaker 6: Us against each other.

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Speaker 15: Listen, since I came onto the political scene of twenty eighty,

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Speaker 15: every election cycle, the Republicans, who barely exist in western

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Speaker 15: Pennsylvania and nationally will use me on somebody's mail or

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Speaker 15: against some candidate in a district that isn't as democratic

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Speaker 15: performing as mine.

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Speaker 6: Every single time they will do it.

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Speaker 15: The question is is what we accept, right If the

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Speaker 15: Republicans want to demonize black and brown people, right, if

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Speaker 15: they want to demonize queer and trans people, we don't

1256
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Speaker 15: have to acquiesce. We don't have to accept it. We

1257
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Speaker 15: have to go and do our work. So I'm trying

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Speaker 15: to understand why is it that we, you know, the left,

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Speaker 15: You know, we are mature enough to understand that there

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Speaker 15: are different districts with different makeups and different values.

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Speaker 6: Again, I think that all working class values.

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Speaker 15: I think our message relates everywhere, neither here nor there,

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Speaker 15: But we recognize that different districts exist, and we are

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Speaker 15: not trying to say that you don't get to you

1265
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Speaker 15: don't get to be Why can we have the maturity

1266
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Speaker 15: to understand that? And other people don't give us the

1267
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Speaker 15: same courtesy? Right when Republicans are demonizing black women, I

1268
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Speaker 15: don't expect.

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Speaker 6: Democrats to help them.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 15: Every election cycle it brings us back to that one,

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Speaker 15: you know, the back in twenty twenty when everybody was saying, oh,

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Speaker 15: all these Democrats law because of Black Lives matter. They

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Speaker 15: lost because of defund the police. And I'm like, well,

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00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 15: black folks have been you know, we've been begging, we've

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00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 15: been begging for people to look at this system.

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Speaker 6: And you're gonna now come and blame us.

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00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 15: That you're candidate who did not run on that in

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Speaker 15: a district that didn't focus on that, that's the reason

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Speaker 15: why they lost. I don't think that we I think

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Speaker 15: that we.

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Speaker 5: That we actually did be don't yes, And so we like.

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Speaker 15: Our willingness to accept their messaging and their narrative has

1284
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 15: now bitten us in the butt. You know, as we

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 15: as we've come back around, right, because again we we

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00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 15: we we yield the floor to them to create the narratives,

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00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 15: and then we just react to it. And we got

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Speaker 15: used to it when it was against people who we

1289
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Speaker 15: didn't want to defend, didn't know how to defend. But

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Speaker 15: again we saw what he was able to do. He

1291
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Speaker 15: excited people. This is the largest voter turnout in decades.

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Speaker 15: He brought new people. And that's what we want to do, right,

1293
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Speaker 15: I'm looking around, that's what we want to do. We lost,

1294
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 15: We need more people. He went and got more people.

1295
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Speaker 15: And not only did he go and get them, I

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Speaker 15: hear from people who are like, oh my god, Jorwan

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Speaker 15: is the first vote that I cast that.

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Speaker 6: Made me excited.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I remember when people said that about my race,

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Speaker 15: and so many people they're like, I was excited to come.

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Speaker 15: That's a party that we should aspire to. That people

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Speaker 15: are not just voting out of duty, They're voting out

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Speaker 15: of excitement. They're voting because I'm like, I believe a

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Speaker 15: better world is possible and I actually have a responsibility

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Speaker 15: to help to create it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me play for you. His he got I

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Speaker 2: think asked a question about ice and how he would handle.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're just seeing rampant lawlessness from not just ICE.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Ice is sort of the catch all,

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Speaker 2: but it's Ice at CBP, it's whoever, FBI, whoever else,

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Speaker 2: whatever other federal masked thugs have been set loose on

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Speaker 2: American cities.

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Speaker 5: Let's go ahead and take a listen to F two.

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Speaker 5: This is Zora and talking about Ice.

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Speaker 8: My message to ICE agents and to everyone across this

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Speaker 8: city is that everyone will be held to the same

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Speaker 8: standard of the law. If you violate the law, you

1318
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Speaker 8: must be held accountable. And there is sadly a sense

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00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 8: but it is growing across this country that certain people

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Speaker 8: are allowed to violate that law, whether they be the

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Speaker 8: president or whether they be the agents themselves.

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Speaker 7: And what New Yorkers are looking for is an.

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Speaker 8: Era of consistency, an era of clarity, and era of conviction,

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Speaker 8: and that is what we will deliver to them.

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Speaker 2: I feel like one of the activist movements that is

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Speaker 2: most vindicated in this moment is the abolish Ice movement.

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Speaker 2: I mean truly, because you know they again, this is

1328
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, an ideology that's been smeared, and yet you

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: see when ICE and CBP and these other agencies are

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Speaker 2: turned loose on American streets. I mean you see them

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Speaker 2: literally shooting people and bragging about it to you're gassing

1332
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Speaker 2: little kids. You see them using black hawk helicropters to

1333
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: raid an apartment building and pull little kids out and

1334
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Speaker 2: zip tie them in the middle of the American citizens too,

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Speaker 2: by the way, not that it's okay when you do

1336
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Speaker 2: it to immigrants. You know, how do you think that

1337
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Speaker 2: the insane authoritarianism we've seen in our neighborhoods and streets,

1338
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Speaker 2: how do you think that has changed Americans' perceptions of

1339
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: this administration and of the conversation around immigration.

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Speaker 15: I think that, unfortunately, like all things, it is a polarizing.

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Speaker 6: The polarizing effect. You just said it right.

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Speaker 15: There are so many of us who have been warning

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 15: that this is the trajectory that we've been going in.

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Speaker 15: That's why you got you know, the progressives, whether they

1345
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 15: be the elected progressives, the media progressives right, the organizing

1346
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 15: movement progressives right, who have been talking about, Hey, we're

1347
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Speaker 15: looking at because of our own communities, we're experiencing it, right,

1348
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 15: We're looking at what's happening, and we're trying to.

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Speaker 6: Ring the bell.

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Speaker 15: Right, We're here now and right now, I think you're

1351
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Speaker 15: still getting I think that everybody is.

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01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: Not I don't think everybody's woke.

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, people are afraid of being woke, Like we gave

1354
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 15: them woke, so they're afraid of being woke now. But

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Speaker 15: increasingly people are seeing it. The masked ice agents is horrifying.

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Speaker 15: And if you are not horrified, then you are not

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Speaker 15: paying attention.

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Speaker 6: You're not honest.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 15: The just overreach that we're seeing from Trump that started,

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Speaker 15: you know, back in twenty sixteen, the media complicity and

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Speaker 15: letting him, allowing him to create his narrative, allowing him

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Speaker 15: to overstep without real serious analysis. We're serious, responsibility, kindability, right,

1364
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Speaker 15: all of these they've all been in motion for a

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Speaker 15: really long time, and you know, we see the voters

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Speaker 15: who are saying no. Still, I think that people are like,

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Speaker 15: theoretically I understand authoritarianism.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're like, we're here theoretically.

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Speaker 15: I think Americans are still reckoning with the idea of

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Speaker 15: us living through an authoritarian regime and practice, because again,

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Speaker 15: American accessionism tells us this could have never happened to us, right,

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Speaker 15: or even if it were living through it, just another

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Speaker 15: election is gonna get us through it. I think that

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Speaker 15: right now, what we need are people to understand that

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Speaker 15: when you actually fight authoritarianism, it isn't just what laws,

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Speaker 15: because again he's lawless, right, what law cannot pass, that,

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Speaker 15: what law cannot introduce that Mike Johnson is going to

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01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 15: bring to the floor, the Republicans are going to be for,

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 15: that's gonna go to the Senate, that they're going to

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Speaker 15: go for, and that President john is going to sign

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Speaker 15: into law.

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Speaker 6: That's a check on his own power. We know that's

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Speaker 6: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the Supreme Court already said basically blanket

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Speaker 2: immunity's remotely connected to.

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Speaker 6: No, we need empowered people. We need people to think

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Speaker 6: about what they're going.

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Speaker 15: To do and how they're gonna use their dollars, how

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Speaker 15: they're going.

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Speaker 6: To use their labor.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we need people to understand the power of resistance

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01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 15: and also the sacrifice of resistance.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 6: That's a different way of imagine America right now.

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Speaker 15: So I think that, you know, but on the other hand,

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Speaker 15: I think that there are still trump full who see.

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Speaker 6: What he does. I think some of them every now

1398
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 6: and then are like, wow, yeah, that's wild.

1399
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Speaker 15: But then they go back to sleep and they wake

1400
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 15: back up, and it's starting the day over again, and

1401
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 15: we have to acknowledge and accept that that's where they

1402
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 15: are right now. I don't think that we are doing

1403
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 15: enough work that when someone does pick off, yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know that, we're like, welcome, welcome. We need more people.

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 15: I think we got to get out of the not

1406
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 15: out of booboo stage, like, oh, we told you don't

1407
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 15: do that.

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but ninety two percent, No, man, we need more people.

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 15: And yeah, accountability can also exist with grace or can

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01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 15: exist with outlashship.

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Speaker 6: We got to figure that out. I don't think we're

1412
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 6: doing that enough yet.

1413
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: What do you think of how democratic leadership has has

1414
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: met the moment or not met the moment? I do

1415
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: want to give cry. I think it's shut down has

1416
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: been important. I think yeah, I mean, it's incredibly painful

1417
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: right now for a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to you know, I don't want

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 5: to minimize that.

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01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think it's really proven

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: the way that you can actually take control of the conversation.

1422
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, healthcare was not really a central part of

1423
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: the political conversation. It was basically ignored in twenty twenty four,

1424
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: which is insane. And now you have people looking at

1425
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: their premiums going up. They know where to sign the blame,

1426
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: they know what's going on. So I want to give

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01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: credit for that. But you know, at other moments, there

1428
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: have been messages coming out from Jeffreys and others that,

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01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, don't talk about kill mar Abrego Garcia, don't

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: talk about the perhaps the you know, murdering random people

1431
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: in the Caribbean. Let's not talk about the ice raids

1432
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 2: and immigration because that's not on our strongest ground. You know,

1433
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: how do you think that at the federal level, democratic

1434
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: leadership has done.

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 15: I think I must say I'm actually ask that I

1436
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 15: think that first, I do want to say that we

1437
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 15: talked about courage and courage in politics. The shutdowns took

1438
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 15: a level of courage that is not in the like

1439
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 15: a day to day norm.

1440
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, of the Democratic Party, because we know that the

1441
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: base really pressured leadership.

1442
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 15: Absolutely from the from July, from the reconciliation which she

1443
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 15: got flamed.

1444
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, he got flamed for not standing firm.

1445
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 15: And I think that obviously there's a less but Democrats

1446
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 15: are going it's going to be painful because unlike Republicans.

1447
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 15: We actually don't want to see federal workers on one end,

1448
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 15: you know, the wall closing in on them, we're not

1449
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 15: getting paid, a wall closing in on the other end,

1450
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 15: from them not being able to access not benefits or

1451
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 15: lie heap or whatever it may be.

1452
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 6: We actually don't want to see people suffer.

1453
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 15: So the pressure is going to be intense on the

1454
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 15: Senate this week to open up, to to win, to

1455
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 15: not win on healthcare, to not win on anything, to

1456
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 15: give up. There's gonna be a lot of incentive to

1457
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 15: do that, and we're going to be They're gonna be

1458
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 15: a to lose lose situation. That aside, I think that

1459
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 15: leadership has to look different than an ever looked before.

1460
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 15: And I don't think that they have found the I

1461
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 15: don't think they I don't think they have.

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 6: The recipe right now.

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 15: I don't because you know, I was just talking to

1464
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 15: my to my status.

1465
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 6: They're like, oh, you're gonna answer this.

1466
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 11: And.

1467
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: I was like, other questions.

1468
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 5: Were you worried about getting No?

1469
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 6: No, it was right.

1470
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 15: We weren't worried about we get them all, get them all. No,

1471
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 15: we weren't worried about anyone. They were like, it's ask

1472
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 15: who would you say no? But I was just like,

1473
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 15: you know, I think that people just like even just

1474
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 15: really in the course of a conversation, I was like,

1475
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 15: I think that leadership traditionally sees itself as leadership as

1476
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 15: of the caucus, right like you, they are the leader

1477
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 15: of the caucus. And leadership has meant that we have

1478
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 15: to raise enough money to help the front liners, have

1479
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 15: to raise enough money to flip the seats, we have

1480
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 15: to gain the majority. But leadership to the country right

1481
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 15: now looks like marching orders. It looks like being in

1482
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 15: the trenches, like we have images of like George Washington

1483
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 15: on a horse on the front lines, like that type

1484
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 15: of leadership. People are looking for that, and they're not wrong.

1485
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 15: So I don't think that they have met that. Yeah,

1486
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 15: And I think that that's what people want from us.

1487
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 15: And when you shift who are we leaders of? I

1488
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 15: think that's what people are asking. We're not asking to

1489
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 15: be leaders.

1490
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 5: Of each other, that's a good right.

1491
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 15: We're asking to be leaders of our country, leaders of us.

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01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 15: What can I be doing right now? My organization maybe

1493
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 15: has a couple of dollars, and what should we do

1494
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 15: right The labor unions are like, hey, you know, the

1495
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 15: labor the labor history is a mighty one.

1496
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 7: What do we do?

1497
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 6: What do we do with it?

1498
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 15: People want to see people acknowledging that every movement in

1499
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 15: history was not led by Congress. It was led from

1500
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 15: the outside, the real movement, from the organized, empowered electorate.

1501
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 6: How do we get people back into that?

1502
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 15: How do we help people understand that the final fel

1503
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 15: safe of democracy are the people.

1504
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 6: We don't get a dictatorship. Trump don't get.

1505
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 15: To decide if we have a dictatorship, right, Hakeem Jeffrey

1506
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 15: doesn't get to decide if we have a dictatorship. We do,

1507
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 15: and we just want our leaderships to be with us

1508
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 15: on that. So to that extent, we all have to

1509
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 15: figure out better ways of doing that, and it will

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01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 15: be hard because we have spent too much time telling

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01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 15: people that the right way to protest is to just vote. Yeah,

1512
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 15: the right way to protest is to be a go run,

1513
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 15: and not that. The right way to protest has always

1514
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 15: been your organized It's always.

1515
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 6: Been when you take to the streets. That's always been.

1516
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 15: An appropriate way to express, you know, dissent, to express

1517
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 15: a lack of consent when your government doesn't answer you

1518
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 15: when you say you want this.

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01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 5: Has Haakim Jeffries earned your vote again for leader?

1520
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 6: I don't think. First of all, we had a whole

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01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 6: year ago.

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Speaker 15: My hope and dream, My hope and dream is that

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Speaker 15: everybody will change the way that they're doing things. So

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Speaker 15: right now the question is who's running, you know, who's

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Speaker 15: even a part of the compon versation about being a leader.

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Speaker 15: I think that right now we have we have room

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Speaker 15: where everybody's going to have to step it up.

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Speaker 6: Everybody needs to step it up right now. Of the

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Speaker 6: people who are would.

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Speaker 15: Ever think that they should be a leader, right I

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Speaker 15: want to see how people are applying the lesson of

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Speaker 15: this election cycle. I want to see how people are handling,

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Speaker 15: you know, when a Zoron comes. Because I was a

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Speaker 15: Zoran right right, because you know, all of the all

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Speaker 15: the squad, we were Zorn's right and we remember how

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Speaker 15: it felt to be treated, how we were treated by

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Speaker 15: our party, and we want to see them learn a

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Speaker 15: lesson in that long lesson from us.

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Speaker 6: We want to see that.

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Speaker 15: I want to see how they're applying, you know, the

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Speaker 15: the idea that people weren't just gonna come about. We

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Speaker 15: got to go and get them I want to see

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Speaker 15: somebody who comes up with the horse. That's who I

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Speaker 15: plan them over. Who coming, Who's coming with the horse?

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Speaker 15: Who's the cavalry.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to be backing any primary challenges against incumbents, Oh.

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Speaker 15: If they're not listen, if their districts are saying that

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Speaker 15: they want something, I don't have a blank I don't

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Speaker 15: have blanket rules, right, I don't know those districts.

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Speaker 5: You're open to it, Yeah, I'm open.

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Speaker 11: I'm not.

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Speaker 15: Sometimes I'm like it makes sense, sometimes like it doesn't

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Speaker 15: make sense. Like I think that people should be represented.

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Speaker 15: I think people should be represented well. And I think

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Speaker 15: that to the extent that we as incumbents are doing

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Speaker 15: our job, that end of a self protects us.

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Speaker 6: And when we're not doing our job, we have to

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Speaker 6: answer to our people.

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Speaker 15: And if our people are all in a collective voice

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Speaker 15: saying if they want something different, you're not going to

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Speaker 15: see me being able to stand in.

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Speaker 6: The way of those folks. Yeah. And I don't believe

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Speaker 6: that anybody should stand in the way of those folks.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 15: I don't run that district. So I like to hope

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Speaker 15: and I think that this is going to be I

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Speaker 15: think this might be an anti incumbent year, not a

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Speaker 15: Democrat or a Republican year, because people are tired of gerontocracy. People, right,

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Speaker 15: you look at the halls of Congress and you're just like, wait,

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Speaker 15: people don't want that.

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Speaker 5: Credit to Nancy Pelosi for retiring.

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Speaker 15: Credit to Nancy prop Naty Pelosi looked at you, look

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Speaker 15: at the landscape, and she said.

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Speaker 2: You know what, let's call it here, let's call it.

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Speaker 6: Let's call it.

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Speaker 15: Which is you know, my family, don't let me. Don't

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Speaker 15: let me be ninety and caught.

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Speaker 6: Up like this. Don't let that. Don't step it, step

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Speaker 6: it for me, please.

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Speaker 2: All right, Congressman Summerly, so great to see you, so

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Speaker 2: great to catch up with you and hear all your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on very interesting times that we're living in.

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Speaker 15: Any let's get through them, all right, guys.

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Speaker 5: That does it here for us today Friday Show.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow, we have Michael Blake joining us, who has just

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Speaker 2: announced a primary challenge against Richie Torres, which is very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So we'll be getting the tea from him, and lots

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Speaker 2: of other interesting things to cover as well. There's a

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Speaker 2: whole meltdown going on over at Heritage Foundation that I'm

1590
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Speaker 2: interested to hear from Emily on as well, so in

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Speaker 2: any case of a great day, we'll see them