1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to Noble Blood, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion advised. Hello, this 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: is Danas Schwartz's host of Noble Blood. This is the 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: last week of my maternity leave and the last episode 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: in our series revisiting the wives of King Henry the Eighth. 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Today we're talking about his final wife, the woman who survived, 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Katherine Parr. But Catherine's future back when she was married 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: to the king was far from secure, and surviving Henry 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: required cunning and the ability to manage a volatile and 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: aging king enjoy It was an incredibly dangerous thing to 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: be a woman in the sixteenth century who disagreed with 12 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: her husband. A woman named Anne Askew was born in 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty one in Lincolnshire. When she was fifteen years old, 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: her sister died. Her sister had been engaged to a 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: man named Thomas Kyme, and to save money on the 16 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: dowries and negotiations, Anne's father simply substituted Anne in to 17 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: marry her sister's fiance. One daughter was as good as 18 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: the next. Thomas Kyme was a Catholic, and he quickly 19 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: realized that his young wife was a devout Protestant. He 20 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: would enter the room to find her studying the Bible 21 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: or reciting verses quietly to herself that she was trying 22 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: to memorize. Anne publicly challenged the idea of transubstantiation, the 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: notion that when taking Holy Communion, the wafer and wine 24 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: literally transformed into the flesh and blood of Christ. Word 25 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: got around town. Other women began avoiding Anne in. 26 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: The streets and the shops. Though Thomas Kime and Anne 27 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: had two young children, he kicked her out of the 28 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: house for her beliefs. Anne was not put off, unmoored, 29 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: but not undeterred. She moved to London, and, sticking with 30 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: her maiden name, began to preach. A woman preaching is 31 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: bad enough. A woman preaching heretical ideas cause enough for arrest. 32 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: In fifteen forty six, Anne Ask You was twenty five 33 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: years old and she was brought to the Tower of London. 34 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: She was tortured on the rack by men who demanded 35 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: to know what other high born women shared her beliefs. 36 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: To tour was brutal and unceasing, lasting months. By the 37 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: time Anne was finally brought to be burned, at the stake. 38 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: She had to be carried in a chair because she 39 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: could no longer walk. Anne was burned along with three 40 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: other Protestants. Funnily enough, one of the men executed with 41 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: her was John Lassal's. That name might sound a little 42 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: familiar to you if you had listened to my episode 43 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: about Catherine Howard. John Lassal's had been the one who 44 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: reported the young queen's licentious past, which led to her beheading. 45 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: It's said by those who watched Anne's burning that she 46 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: was incredibly brave that she didn't cry out until the 47 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: flames reached her chest. A supporter had managed to secretly 48 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: slip her gunpowder to hide in her dress, which exploded, 49 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: killing Anne and the three men quickly and mercifully. Even 50 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: through all of her torture, Anne never gave up any 51 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: names of any other prominent Protestant women, but the torturers 52 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: were really only interested in one name. They wanted Anne 53 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: to implicate, Katherine Parr, King Henry the Eighth's sixth and 54 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: final wife. Catherine had already upset many at court for 55 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: the strength of her evangelical views, and her enemies were 56 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: looking for any excuse to bring her down. It wouldn't 57 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: take much. Gossip in court was that the king had 58 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: already grown frustrated with the way his wife debated him 59 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: on matters of religion. Ambassadors wrote that he had already 60 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 2: been casting his eye around for wife number seven. Being 61 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: the wife of King Henry the eighth was like holding 62 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: a fistful of gunpowder. It would only take a spark 63 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: for an explosion and a quick death. Katherine Parr's intelligence 64 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: had put her in danger, but it would also be 65 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: the key to her survival. I'm Danish Schwartz and this 66 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: is noble blood. Katherine Parr was seventeen when she married 67 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: a man named Edward Burrow, but the marriage didn't last long. 68 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: Three years later, Edward Burrow had died and Katherine Parr 69 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: was a young childless widow. But she was also a 70 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: young childless widow who came from a prominent family, and 71 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: that meant that a year later her family had the 72 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: connections to marry her off once again, this time to 73 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: a man named John Neville, Lord Latimer of Snape. Two 74 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 2: Harry Potter names and one side note. I looked it up. J. K. 75 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: Rowling did name Snape after a village, but it wasn't 76 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: that village. Latimer was forty three with two teenage children, 77 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: only a few years younger than Catherine herself twenty one, 78 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: but maturity came easily to Catherine Parr, who spoke and 79 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: wrote English, French and Italian, who was already reading religious 80 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: doctrine that her Catholic husband no doubt wouldn't have approved 81 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 2: of if he had been home long enough to notice. 82 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 2: It was Latimer's religious beliefs that got the couple into trouble. 83 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: In the end, they lived in Yorkshire and Latimer was 84 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: roped into helping the Catholic rebels during the Pilgrimage of 85 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: Grace Rebellion in fifteen thirty six. Though high born Latimer 86 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: was never actually charged and he managed to escape any 87 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 2: real consequences with just a slap on the wrist, his 88 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: reputation deteriorated, and soon after so did his health. Catherine 89 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: found that she not only had the skill to run 90 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: a large household, she also had the inclination. With her 91 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: husband weakening, the family moved down to Worcester to get 92 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: out of the troublingly rebellious North and to be closer 93 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: to Catherine's family at Court, where her brother William and 94 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: her sister Anne were both members of the royal household. 95 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: Catherine tended to her ailing husband, ran his household, raised 96 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: his children from his previous marriage, and also began to 97 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: make friends at court, including the Queen Jane Seymour. To 98 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: stay away from my brother, Jane teased Thomas is on 99 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: the lookout for a rich widow. Thomas Seymour was a 100 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: few things. He was handsome, definitely charming. Absolutely, I'm so 101 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: socially ambitious. Katherine Parr noticed him, of course she noticed him. 102 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: How could she not. Everyone in court noticed Thomas Seymour, 103 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: the Queen's brother, But Catherine's husband, weak as he was, 104 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: wasn't dead yet, and Catherine always floated above even a 105 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: whiff of scandal. There aren't even rumors of thoughts of 106 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: impropriety on her part. Catherine was just a well liked, smart, 107 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: pretty presence at court who cared dutifully for her ailing husband. 108 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Rather than flirt, She spent most of her time with 109 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: Princess Mary Tudor, Henry the Eighth's daughter. Catherine Parr's mother 110 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: had been a lady in waiting to Catherine Everden, Mary's mother, 111 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: so the two had known each other when they were children, 112 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: but as adults they reunited over their shared love of academia. 113 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: Though Catherine's leanings were Evangelic and Mary was a devout Catholic, 114 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: it didn't affect their friendship at all. Mary encouraged Catherine 115 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: to read the Bible and helped her with the Latin 116 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: that Catherine had never learned as a child. Catherine wasn't 117 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: born a boy, and she wasn't born a royal, and 118 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: so her education had been decent, but far from comprehensive. 119 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: It was her own natural curiosity that turned her into 120 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: an avid reader and an avid writer. By the time 121 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: her husband died, Catherine found herself in a strange and 122 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 2: rare position. She was still young, thirty one, twice widowed, orphaned, 123 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: and with the inheritance of her husband's estate, independently wealthy. 124 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Her only responsibility was taking care of her almost grown stepdaughter, 125 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: whom she adored. She was a woman with money and 126 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: her entire life out of her Her parents were both dead, 127 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: and so she had no obligations to marry for anything 128 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: except love. At thirty one, Katherine Parr's life could finally begin, 129 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: and so Katherine Parr could finally look at Thomas Seymour, 130 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: and she found him looking back at her, smiling that 131 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: charming smile and making her secretly grateful in spite of everything, 132 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: that life had landed her here, exactly where she belonged. 133 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: It had been a busy few years at court since 134 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Katherine Parr and her husband had arrived from Yorkshire. King 135 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: Henry the Eighth had finally gotten his son, although it 136 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: led to the death of his queen, Jane Seymour. He 137 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: had sent away for another bride, received Anne of Cleaves, 138 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: and forced a divorce because he didn't find her attractive enough. 139 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: He married Catherine Howard, was humiliated by her laciviousness, and 140 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: had her arrested and beheaded. King Henry the Eighth was tired. 141 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: It would be another year as a widower before Henry 142 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: would begin to look in earnest for a new wife. 143 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: By this point, Henry the Eighth had finally evolved into 144 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: what you most likely already imagine when you hear the 145 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: words King Henry the Eighth. A caricature of a man 146 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: probably eating a giant turkey leg. King Henry the Eighth's 147 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 2: waist had ballooned to fifty three inches, which required specially 148 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: made doublets large enough so that three men could stand 149 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: comfortably inside them. The ulcers on Henry's legs had turned 150 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: to open rot. From records of his household, we know 151 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: that the endlessly weeping puss meant that he needed to 152 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: order a brand new pair of hose for every single 153 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: day of the year. Marrying the teenager Katherine Howard had 154 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: been a mistake. He knew that now she was too young, 155 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: too frivolous. It had been a decision made out of lust. Now, 156 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: for his sixth wife, he needed someone of absolutely unimpeachable character, 157 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: someone like Catherine Parr. She was wiser, older, but not 158 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: so old that she couldn't still bear him another son. 159 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: That was important. In an ideal world, Henry would have 160 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: two sons. Although Henry's failing health meant that he could 161 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: no longer plausibly blame his impotence on a woman being 162 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: too unattractive or having allegedly saggy breasts, he still wanted 163 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: another boy, a Duke of York, to ensure that his 164 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: lineage was secure. Henry needed a queen to manage the 165 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: household and manage his moods and tempers and well, though 166 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: he hated to admit it, he was lonely. Henry had 167 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: always loved the company of women, loved discussion and praise 168 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: and witty banter and praise and mostly praise. Was it 169 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: so wrong that in his final years he wanted someone 170 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: beautiful on his arm and in his bedchamber, with whom 171 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 2: he could also discuss art and music. Middle age had 172 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: also made Henry more aware of his formerly estranged daughters, 173 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: Mary and Elizabeth, the daughters of Catherine of Aragon and 174 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: Anne Boleyn, respectively. They say that family is the most 175 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: important thing, don't they, So if you're going to marry 176 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: a young wife almost half your age, you should at 177 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: least do so with the courtesy of choosing someone who's 178 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: friends with your daughters. It was a month before Catherine 179 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: Parr's husband actually died that Henry began sending along letters 180 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 2: and gifts. The moment the King's first letter arrived. It 181 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: was a dagger to the future that Catherine had imagined 182 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: for herself, a life where she would be free to 183 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: marry Thomas Seymour, someone that she chose for herself after 184 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 2: two husbands. Hadn't she earned that? But when the king 185 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: chooses you, you don't get a choice. Later, she would 186 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: write to Thomas Seymour in a letter as truly as 187 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: God is God, my mind was fully bent the time 188 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: I was at liberty to marry you before any man 189 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: I know. Henry knew that Catherine had been interested in 190 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: Thomas Seymour, a handsome, athletic man only a few years 191 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: older than Catherine. He heard the rumors that she loved him, 192 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: that she wanted to marry him. Henry also didn't care 193 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: when he proposed to Catherine Parr a few months later, 194 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: a respectful period after the death of her husband. She 195 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: didn't answer right away. She asked the King if she 196 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,119 Speaker 2: could have a brief moment to think about it. Henry amused, 197 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: but good natured enough agreed. Usually one doesn't ask the 198 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: king to wait before you respond to a question he asks. 199 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: But this situation wasn't usual. Catherine Parr was within a 200 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: stoned throw of something most sixteenth century women could only 201 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: dream of, genuine contentment. But Henry's interest in her meant 202 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: that that vision of the future was already dead. A 203 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: king wanting to marry you meant that a king got 204 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: to marry you. Really what Henry understood full well when 205 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: he gave Catherine some time too think it over. Sure, 206 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: he was in his fifties, impotent, rotting, so he had 207 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: killed two wives and cruelly disposed of two others. He 208 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: was still the king. Catherine would be giving up her 209 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: life for a life under a microscope, constantly scrutinized by 210 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: the entire court, her neck vulnerable to a mercurial king's whims. 211 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: But in return she would get a crown and all 212 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: of the wealth and majesty and power of being the 213 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: Queen of England. Here's what Catherine knew. Privilege is not 214 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: the same as freedom. The massive privileges that would be 215 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: afforded to her by the throne of England would come 216 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 2: at a heavy price. She would lose as much as 217 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: she would gain. Henry's will was God's will. It was 218 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: around this time that Henry decided, for no particular reason, 219 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: that he would send Thomas Seymour out on a new job, 220 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 2: a diplomatic posting in Flanders. Catherine never had any decision 221 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: to make. After all, she and the king were married 222 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: July twelfth, fifteen forty three, where Henry the Eighth said, 223 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 2: I do for the sixth and final time. The role 224 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: Catherine was to play at court was a delicate one, 225 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: but she found almost immediately that it was a role 226 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: she was suited for. Henry wanted a wife to dazzle 227 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: and entertain his court, to represent the glory of Henry's 228 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: court back in its prime, all masquerades and games and dances, 229 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: even though Henry was no longer dancing. But to that end, 230 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 2: he gave Catherine money for jewels and clothing, supported her 231 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 2: interests in music, and sent fresh flowers to her bedchamber 232 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: every day. Katherine bathed in milk and herbs. Even though 233 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: her relationship with Henry wouldn't be the lusty, passionate affair 234 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: that he had shared with earlier wives, she knew it 235 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: was her duty, above all else to be pleasing to him. 236 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: As queen. She was given the full wardrobe from the 237 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: dead former Queen Katherine Howard. She was stepping into the 238 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 2: shoes of her predecessor. Literally, every item needed to be tailored. 239 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: Katherine Parr was several inches taller than the teenage former queen, 240 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 2: but Catherine found she didn't mind wearing the clothes. They 241 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: were beautiful, for one, but they also made her role 242 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 2: as queen feel like a duty, a duty with a 243 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 2: uniform as if she was in the military. Catherine Parr 244 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: was incredibly well liked by everyone at court, will almost everyone. 245 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: Another former Queen, Anne of Cleaves, had quietly hoped that, 246 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: with Catherine Howard gone, King Henry the Eighth were to 247 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: remarry her. Unfortunately, Henry did not agree. When Anne of 248 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: Cleaves heard that the position of queen had been filled, 249 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: she murmured that she was surprised the king had married 250 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: a woman not nearly as beautiful as she. But to 251 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 2: everyone else, Katherine Parr was a balm for the chaosic 252 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: court the preceding few years. She was calm, sensible, kind, smart. 253 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 2: Above all, she was competent. That was why, when Henry 254 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: left to lead a military campaign against France, he left 255 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: her as regent. Henry, at fifty three years old, was 256 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: desperate to regain some of his former glory, and so 257 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: that meant, despite the advice of his doctors and friends, 258 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: he would go into battle. He forged an alliance with 259 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: the Holy Roman Emperor, commissioned a customized suit of armor 260 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 2: that would fit his considerable size, and left the country 261 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: in Catharine Parr's capable hands. The victory, if you could 262 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: call it that, if Henry won three months later was 263 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: pretty toothless. Almost immediately afterward. The King of France renewed 264 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: his friendship with the Holy Roman Emperor and geared up 265 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: to retaliate in England the following summer. But while Henry 266 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: was away, Catherine reigned beautifully. She dealt with deserters and 267 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: Scottish prisoners, managed the supplies and troops being sent to France, 268 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: and reacted swiftly and decisively to an outbreak of the plague. 269 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: All the while she wrote letters to Henry telling him 270 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: how deeply she missed him and how much she desired 271 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 2: to be in his presence again. The following year, Catherine 272 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: published a book, Prayers or Meditations, the first English book 273 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: published by woman under her own name in the country 274 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: and the first book ever published by a queen. That Christmas, 275 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: her stepdaughter, Princess Elizabeth translated it into Latin and French 276 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 2: and Italian, and bound the translations in red silk and 277 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: gave them to Catherine Parr as perhaps the most thoughtful 278 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: Christmas gift heretofore ever given. But still it wasn't beyond 279 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 2: notice that Catherine Parr hadn't born Henry a son, or 280 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: even yielded a pregnancy, and although of course that wasn't 281 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: her fault, it still meant that her position as queen 282 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: wasn't entirely secure. There were rumors in court. There are 283 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 2: always rumors, but one particular rumor put Katherine on edge 284 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: and soured her normally genial disposition. Henry's best friend, Charles Brandon, 285 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: the Duke of Suffolk, died, leaving his wife, a good 286 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 2: friend of Catherine's, a widow and single, and Henry seemed 287 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: to be spending some time, just a respectful time, nothing untoward, 288 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: yet comforting her. Again nothing but rumors. But the King 289 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: also seemed to be getting annoyed with Katherine Parr more frequently. 290 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: Recently she had taken to arguing with him about theology. 291 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: When Catherine brought up a hole in one of Henry's arguments, 292 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: he snapped at her, it's a good hearing. It is 293 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: when women become such clerks, and a thing much to 294 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: my comfort in my own old days, to be taught 295 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: by a woman. Catherine might have been well liked as 296 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: a person in court, but she was evangelical, ordering on Protestant, 297 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: and she wasn't shy about making her beliefs public. She 298 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: had enemies, and now they had ammunition. In fifteen forty six, 299 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 2: Anne ask You was tortured for the names of other 300 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: high born women who shared her heretical views. Anne didn't 301 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: name names, but the men torturing her got enough to 302 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: implicate the women of Catherine's court. There would be a 303 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: search for heretical literature in their chambers. Fortunately word got 304 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: out ahead of it, so books were stashed and locks 305 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: were changed and nothing was found. But that didn't mean 306 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 2: Catherine wasn't in danger. After all, she existed at the 307 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: whim of Henry, and Henry hated feeling threatened. After Catherine 308 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: contradicted Henry in debate, a bishop and one of Henry's ministers, Ropsley, 309 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: seized the moment to get Henry to sign a warrant 310 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: for her arrest, which he did. Whether it was sheer, 311 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: dumb luck, or a friend looking out for her. A 312 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: copy of the warrant was left out in the open 313 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: where Katherine could see it. Catherine had the benefit of 314 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: being the sixth wife of learning from the women who 315 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: came before her and their mistakes. Henry was extremely malleable, 316 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: but Katherine Parr also knew that as soon as Henry 317 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: made his mind up about a woman, he would simply 318 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 2: remove her from his presence and not give her the 319 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 2: chance to speak with him. Her time was extremely limited. 320 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 2: Wearing one of the dresses that had once belonged to 321 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: foolish dead Katherine Howard, Katherine Parr went to the King 322 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: and did the thing she needed to save herself. She 323 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: graciously thanked the King for his kindness that he had 324 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: taken in sharing his insights and wisdom with her. You see, 325 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: she was only debating him as an intellectual exercise for him, 326 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: so he could take his mind off his pain, and 327 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: so that she could learn from him. So Henry said, 328 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: you don't disagree with me, then, no, of course not. 329 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: Katherine Parr laughed, Your Majesty has very much mistaken me, 330 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: for I have always held it preposterous for a woman 331 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: to instruct her lord. It was a brilliant turn of 332 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: tect Henry swept Catherine Parr on to his knee, reassured 333 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: her of his love for her, and ordered her jewels 334 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: and pearls and furs. That afternoon, Rothsley arrived at the 335 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: Queen's gardens with forty armed men, only to find Catherine 336 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: sitting on Henry's knee. Henry had forgotten to call off 337 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: the rest. What are you doing, Henry called, You dare 338 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: to insult our queen with threats out Rothley apologized profusely, 339 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: sweating and bowing. Of course, Catherine knew all about the 340 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: arrest attempt, but Henry didn't know that. She knew. You 341 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: really don't need to be so hard on him, she 342 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: said sweetly to her husband. Henry laughed, Oh, you sweet 343 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 2: innocent child, If only you knew how little he deserves 344 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: this grace your showing him. Catherine laughed and pulled Henry 345 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 2: in for a kiss, thinking somewhere in the back of 346 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: her mind that the same was true of the grace 347 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 2: that she showed Henry. But Catherine wouldn't have too much 348 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: longer to go as Henry's wife. His health was now 349 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 2: fading and fast. Henry was finding it increasingly difficult to walk. 350 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: He needed to use a ramp to mount his horse. 351 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: Hunting became impossibly exhausting. Most of the time, Henry was 352 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: transported from room to room, being carried on a chair. 353 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: His rooms were heavily perfumed at all times in an 354 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: attempt to cover the smell of his rotting leg always 355 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 2: wet from his many medicinal baths. That Christmas, Catherine Parr, 356 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: Mary and Elizabeth were sent away from Whitehall so they 357 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't have to watch the rest of Henry's decline. Would 358 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 2: never see him again, though after the first week of 359 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 2: January Catherine returned, she wasn't permitted to see him. Henry 360 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: died on January twenty eighth, fifteen forty seven. Catherine mourned, 361 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: of course, but her real sorrow would come only when 362 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: she saw the will that Henry had rewritten a month 363 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: before his death. She got plenty of money, an annual allowance, 364 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 2: and a stipulation that she be treated as a queen 365 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 2: and not a dowager. But she didn't get what she 366 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: really wanted. She wasn't made regent for the young nine 367 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: year old King Edward. Her political career was entirely over. 368 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: Smart as she was, competent, as she was capable as 369 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 2: she was, Catherine Parr no longer had any avenue to power. 370 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: She had come close being Henry's wife, and for that 371 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: shining period in fifteen forty four she had tasted it. 372 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: But now she was just a woman again, put in 373 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: her place back where she had started being back where 374 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: she had started wasn't all bad. Four years after she 375 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: had fallen in love with him, Catherine Parr was finally 376 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: able to marry Thomas Seymour. It's a bitter sweet love story. 377 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: I like to end it there without the details that 378 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: perhaps the marriage had happened a bit too fast and 379 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: it was unseemly that she had had to wheedle young 380 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: King Edward to approve the marriage after it had happened. 381 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: It's also a sweeter story if we leave out the 382 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: fact that Thomas Seymour, sociall climber as he was, had 383 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: actually tried to court the thirteen year old Princess Elizabeth 384 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: before marrying Katherine Parr, and that when Elizabeth came to 385 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: live with her former stepmom and new husband Thomas, that 386 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: he would continue blesting her and making sexual overtures until finally, 387 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 2: out of shame and hurt, Katherine Parr had to send 388 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: young Elizabeth away, never to see her in person again. No, 389 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: it's a better story if we ended there the idea 390 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: that she had lost her love, was dutiful to Henry, 391 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: and then finally got to marry her love and live 392 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 2: out the rest of her life and peace in a 393 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: different world, Katherine Parr could have led as regent or 394 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: even queen, and we could have seen what she would 395 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: have accomplished instead. Hers is a story of a woman 396 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: who fell in love but was forced into duty instead, 397 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: but met it with savvy and grace. She survived not 398 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 2: out of luck, but because she made sure that she would. 399 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: That's the story of Catherine Parr's marriage to Henry the Eighth. 400 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: But stick around after a brief sponsor break to hear 401 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: a short story about what happened when her coffin was unearthed. 402 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: Catherine Parr was buried beneath Sutley Chapel, but over the 403 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: next two centuries the chapel and estate above her fell 404 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 2: into ruin. It wasn't until seventeen eighty two when the 405 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 2: owner of the property and a few visitors were curious 406 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: enough to force their way down the narrow stone steps 407 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: and see the crypt that lay beneath. Catherine's lead. Coffin 408 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: was exactly as it had been when it was placed 409 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: there over two hundred and thirty years prior. Pressed into 410 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: the lead, the inscription read k p here Eliath Queen Katherine, 411 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: wife to King Henry the Eighth, and the wife of Thomas, 412 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: Lord of Sutley. Curiosity got the better of the visitors 413 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: and they pried open the coffin to find the corpse 414 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: wrapped in waxy linen. They recoiled when they saw what 415 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: was revealed inside. The coffin had been so air tight 416 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: that it looked as though Catherine Parr had died only 417 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 2: the day before. Her skin was milky white, her hair perfect, 418 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: her dress still retained color. She might as well have 419 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 2: been taking a nap. Horrified, the men shut the lid 420 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: to the coffin and left, but they had broken the 421 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: seal and let the air in. By the time Katherine 422 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: Parr's corpse was excavated again, all that was left was bones. 423 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: While not only bones, an ivy plant had also managed 424 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: to grow in the coffin, weaving its way up and 425 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: around the skull. If you looked at it from certain angles, 426 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: the ivy plant had curled itself over her skull into 427 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 2: a crown. Noble Blood is a production of iHeart Radio 428 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankey. Noble Blood is 429 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: hosted by me Dana Schwartz, with additional writing and research 430 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 2: by Hannah Johnston Hannah's Wick Courtney sender, Amy Hit and 431 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: Julia Milaney. 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