Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always watching what's happening
Speaker 1: in dou Baal. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage and
Speaker 1: really excited to be joined on this show by Nate
Speaker 1: Tice of Yahoo Sports. You can check him out at
Speaker 1: his great podcast Football three to oh one with our
Speaker 1: friends Charles McDonald and Matt Harmon doing an awesome job
Speaker 1: all season there. Good to have you back, Nate. I
Speaker 1: was thinking you actually were on our first week of shows,
Speaker 1: and I had so much respect for your time. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: he is grinding over there. I feel bad asking you
Speaker 1: in season, and then I heard you a couple of
Speaker 1: times killing it on Bomani Jones's show, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if he can do Bomani Jones's show, he can do
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: So welcome back, Nate. I'm always available. Thank you. First off,
Speaker 2: I'm always available for you, Greg. You know you got
Speaker 2: to carry the g load around here because I'm zero
Speaker 2: percent g you know, so yeah, you know. So that's
Speaker 2: why this is a great pairing. Whenever I'm with you, No,
Speaker 2: but thank you again. Always have me.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we're starting to do the super Bowl bookings.
Speaker 1: I know you'll be down in New Orleans, and I
Speaker 1: mean it. Nate does a really good job recapping the league.
Speaker 1: He does a good job previewing games, just getting into
Speaker 1: the x's and o's, but also is a great draft mind.
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to talk today, just switch
Speaker 1: gears a little bit, do a little intro to this
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five draft, and talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: you know, the games on Sunday night. But first, when
Speaker 1: you say sixty percent G, I was thinking we're doing
Speaker 1: our bookings already for some of the Super Bowl appearances,
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to get Greg Olsen on,
Speaker 1: which I'm pretty excited about. But you know, I was thinking,
Speaker 1: like it, I don't know if he's going to struggle
Speaker 1: just confidence wise, being with someone that's sixty percent G
Speaker 1: when he's only fifty. It's like it's tough for the
Speaker 1: one G gregs to deal with sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're it's gra and G Regg.
Speaker 1: That's right. Greg's got enough confidence. That's a great point, right.
Speaker 2: Right, He's halfway there, but he was at least he
Speaker 2: has flow to make up for it. That helps it
Speaker 2: out out flow for days.
Speaker 1: And since you mentioned it every so often, when the
Speaker 1: G reg clip pops up on Twitter. There's so many
Speaker 1: people that are like, I can't believe this ever happened,
Speaker 1: because there's still all the young kids out there. They
Speaker 1: don't even know. So if you don't know what we're
Speaker 1: referring to, I believe the sixth floor crew. Look it up,
Speaker 1: treat yourself, and get ready for that interview. I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. During super Bowl week, okay, I have a
Speaker 1: theory Nate about like the championship games, okay, and about
Speaker 1: reality TV in the Super Bowl too. I love Top Chef,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite, but I would say it's true of
Speaker 1: other reality shows. You spend the whole season building up
Speaker 1: to this moment, and then there's like sixty seconds of
Speaker 1: after the moment you find out who actually won to
Speaker 1: talk about it, and I kind of feel like that
Speaker 1: happens with these big games too. I'm in such a
Speaker 1: hurry to just move on to the next thing. So
Speaker 1: I did think before we get to the draft today,
Speaker 1: you've spent today grinding some film. I've been watching some
Speaker 1: as well, and I thought, just a few final thoughts
Speaker 1: in this game, maybe especially about the teams that we're
Speaker 1: not going to be talking about during the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: as well, and you're such a good quarterback whisper, you know,
Speaker 1: just guy to listen to about I want, I'm curious
Speaker 1: about your thoughts rewatching and seeing Jade and Daniels on film,
Speaker 1: kind of isolating his play in this game specifically, and
Speaker 1: then just thinking about kind of what he needs, where
Speaker 1: he's going in year two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say just even this whole year, and
Speaker 2: what you saw yesterday is yeshay, was the first time
Speaker 2: I've seen Jane Daniels in a while take a I
Speaker 2: don't want to say bad sack, but a sack that
Speaker 2: went free gardage. Maybe that's the best way. And I
Speaker 2: want to say that as a compliment because one of
Speaker 2: the biggest hesitations I have with Jane Daniel's coming into
Speaker 2: the NFL. So he takes a lot of sacks, He
Speaker 2: scrambles a lot, He's not that big, and he's gonna
Speaker 2: take a lot of hits. I don't know how that
Speaker 2: holds up the fact that this season I can't recall
Speaker 2: how many big hits quote unquote that he's taken. Yes,
Speaker 2: he heard his ribs, but it was kind of a
Speaker 2: freak hit that he got on that one. But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that as a compliment that Jane and Daniels
Speaker 2: adapted to the NFL even more fluidly and better than
Speaker 2: I could ever expected. I knew he would be more
Speaker 2: pro ready and be a guy that could have to
Speaker 2: find some good answers, and I thought that's where I
Speaker 2: saw it again yesterday against Fangio. Fangio was giving him
Speaker 2: big Fangil defense Quarner for the Eagles was giving Jane
Speaker 2: Daniels a lot of like, hey, take this, We're gonna
Speaker 2: see if you can keep doing it. What do you
Speaker 2: do on the first drive? Kept doing it. He just
Speaker 2: kept taking the five yard gains, the seven yard gains,
Speaker 2: the six yard gains. What we saw yesterday was the
Speaker 2: limitations of this offense. They don't really generate a lot
Speaker 2: of explosive plays outside the goballs, there isn't a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, Terry caught the Yak touchdown, which is really
Speaker 2: nice Terry McLaurin. But this offense outside of those go balls,
Speaker 2: those haymakers we've seen throughout the year. The last time
Speaker 2: these two teams played, two teams played, Terry Cott won
Speaker 2: the Bengals game against the Bullets. Jane Dalels hits the
Speaker 2: one go ball in the end zone. Outside of that,
Speaker 2: not a lot of explosives. So what that puts a
Speaker 2: lot on the quarterback or quarterback is he has to
Speaker 2: be precise four yards five yards at a time. That's
Speaker 2: hard to do against a bunch of dudes. But as
Speaker 2: probably the best defense in the NFL at least top three,
Speaker 2: top five this year. And I thought so good with
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels was he took those answers. You saw him
Speaker 2: be accurate, so I'm not have a lot of negative plays.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really put the ball in harm's way. There
Speaker 2: was one deep ball early I did think he put
Speaker 2: ball in Harm's way, and then the end he had
Speaker 2: the interception, but the game was kind of out of
Speaker 2: hand then. But then he took a lot of the
Speaker 2: simple answers, which is good. That's what you want to do.
Speaker 2: I always want to see him maybe push over the
Speaker 2: middle a little bit. But again saw that yesterday, saw
Speaker 2: the dig throw. He had a Diamie Brown that was
Speaker 2: really nice. That's what I still want to see more
Speaker 2: of is more of those inbreaking throws. The thing is
Speaker 2: so far that hasn't limited his production limited his production
Speaker 2: or of just me maybe seeing that next step because
Speaker 2: he's an older quarterback and everything. But I'm watching him
Speaker 2: and I'm just like he was the better quarterback on
Speaker 2: the field I thought, even though just like overall, I
Speaker 2: really did, because I just don't think he makes a
Speaker 2: lot of mistakes, which is really good, on top of
Speaker 2: being explosive with his legs, which is really good as well.
Speaker 2: So I still want to see a little more as
Speaker 2: a thrower, maybe pushing the ball a little bit more,
Speaker 2: But as far as constant efficiency, I think he's just
Speaker 2: had a really good year and it's been a real,
Speaker 2: i would say, pleasant surprise, but the fact he's been
Speaker 2: able to do it consistently has been pretty remarkable but
Speaker 2: really fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you liked him. I followed your draft coverage last year,
Speaker 1: and you liked him, but you had him third, I
Speaker 1: believe behind me. Yeah, I knew that for sure. And
Speaker 1: the thing I was most impressed about in this game
Speaker 1: and throughout was just like he would make mistakes and
Speaker 1: he would not repeat the mistakes. I think he did
Speaker 1: some things in the pros, which makes sense. You're totally
Speaker 1: focused on at the coaching is better and you're surrounded
Speaker 1: by better players. Although his teammates were pretty good in
Speaker 1: college too, and he improved throughout the throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the season, and man, I do wonder like year two,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Cliff fell into bad habits because
Speaker 1: there was another version of that game where it's like,
Speaker 1: your defense doesn't have to be that bad, your running
Speaker 1: game outside of Jade Daniels doesn't have to be that bad,
Speaker 1: your teammates don't have to fumble four times. There's another
Speaker 1: version of that game where being a relatively efficient passer
Speaker 1: wins you that game twenty three to twenty and they
Speaker 1: don't really do much differently than they did. His teammates
Speaker 1: just play a different game. So he was kind of
Speaker 1: in a spot where I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: that was basically a no win scenario the way that
Speaker 1: played out, where you hadn't done anything wrong and it
Speaker 1: was fourteen to three through already losing the make the comeback,
Speaker 1: but I'm excited. Would you still take Drake May over
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels, knowing every based on all the film
Speaker 1: we've seen this year, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I still take May. May's numbers were really good this year.
Speaker 2: No one just noticed.
Speaker 1: There's undoing, just noticed were could be talking about oh.
Speaker 2: I know under so that's not just like an eye test,
Speaker 2: like oh, big arm, good athlete, all that stuff. It's
Speaker 2: like the underlying metrics were good for me this year too,
Speaker 2: which makes me even more like chest out about him.
Speaker 2: I guess uh No, I think May is still the
Speaker 2: prize of this draft, but I will say that Daniel
Speaker 2: and I'm still not out on Caleb either. I think
Speaker 2: Caleb did a lot of nice things this year. It's
Speaker 2: a tough situation. There are some concerns that maybe I
Speaker 2: was like, oh okay, that maybe I waved that away,
Speaker 2: that maybe I should have focused on a little more.
Speaker 2: But he got a great coach for him, I do think.
Speaker 2: But I think Daniels was closer than those two than
Speaker 2: maybe I gave him credit for. And I also want
Speaker 2: to say he's a little older, that's that's the one thing.
Speaker 2: He's played a lot of games, a lot of football.
Speaker 2: And then you can see that that's a compliment again,
Speaker 2: it's it's a double short. It's a compliment and kind
Speaker 2: of a you know, I don't say this, but kind
Speaker 2: of a negative where it's like, Okay, is there more
Speaker 2: for him to grow into or is this him the
Speaker 2: rest of his career, which isn't the worst thing in
Speaker 2: the world, you.
Speaker 1: Know, is the answer to that, though it's not. It's not.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we get into this idea of like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: played a lot, he hasn't played at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: He's still twenty four, Like we are seeing the best
Speaker 1: version I think of Jared Goff right now now in
Speaker 1: the end to see still play a little bit like
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Yes, but I still think he's like the
Speaker 1: best version that he's ever been, And I would expect
Speaker 1: that to happen with Jane Daniels. But that's interesting that
Speaker 1: you stick with me. To me, the NFL tape should
Speaker 1: be more important than anything you've seen before. So I
Speaker 1: would certainly put him ahead of Caleb. Now I'm biased,
Speaker 1: though I would still take me ahead of him too,
Speaker 1: I'm like, but I would have moved I would move
Speaker 1: Jade in ahead because I've just seen enough at this
Speaker 1: level that some of the stuff you can't even see
Speaker 1: on tape are so obviously huge positives and are good
Speaker 1: indicators of a great career, like what he's done in
Speaker 1: that building that like you believe that he can improve
Speaker 1: all the on the field stuff in a way that
Speaker 1: like it's it's tough even for me to say May
Speaker 1: over Daniels now, but since you did it, you're giving
Speaker 1: me the the guts to this too.
Speaker 2: Why I bring up the age thing is that is
Speaker 2: it five percent more growth from him ten percent or
Speaker 2: where I think? And again these are just odd you're
Speaker 2: betting on, you know, or is it May has more
Speaker 2: room because he was with the terrible coaches last year
Speaker 2: in North Carolina, hasn't been taught anything. Is there more
Speaker 2: to tap into here as opposed to Daniels. His last
Speaker 2: year was with Den Brock and Brian Kelly and the
Speaker 2: guys that have like really coached football. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of like the one why like a May or even
Speaker 2: a Caleb, it's like there's more to tap into here.
Speaker 2: But I think Daniens and Caleb are much more Though
Speaker 2: I thought there's a difference stream of most prospects, now
Speaker 2: they're obviously much more equal or Daniels I'm leading to,
Speaker 2: like you said, the NFL tap stuff.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: Bills game. I was glad when I saw a number
Speaker 1: that helped confirm just my vibes that I talked about
Speaker 1: kind of on our recap show, which was the Bills
Speaker 1: felt lucky to be in that game that compared to
Speaker 1: some other games between them, certainly the twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: Divisional Round game. Like it's like, yes, I would have
Speaker 1: liked to see the Bills win, that's my bias. But
Speaker 1: I also was like, you know, the Chiefs had one
Speaker 1: of the highest success rates that they've had, like passing
Speaker 1: the ball in a game this year, they had a
Speaker 1: way higher success rate than the Bills. The Bills fell
Speaker 1: on six fumbles out of six. Josh was a little
Speaker 1: all over the place in a way that for Strung
Speaker 1: was part of how his season ended, which I felt
Speaker 1: like the season ended maybe weeks thirteen on really starting
Speaker 1: with that Lions game, which was a great high, and
Speaker 1: then onward it was it was a little up and down,
Speaker 1: and that performance was up and down. So I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like they I felt like the best team on
Speaker 1: Sunday one, which I always liked to feel as a
Speaker 1: as a fan. I did see you talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about that fourth down and you're former quarterback and
Speaker 1: the condensed formation and spags, you know, throwing the blitz
Speaker 1: at him and wondering what Josh should have done, And
Speaker 1: I thought something was interesting today that came out from
Speaker 1: you know, one of the offensive linemen who spoke to
Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn for his sub stack, where you know, he said,
Speaker 1: they've been showing that look to them all game and
Speaker 1: they kept not coming and they basically saved that for
Speaker 1: that moment. Basically they save to actually go and that's
Speaker 1: why the protection slid a certain way and why it
Speaker 1: ultimately hit so much. What was kind of your view
Speaker 1: in terms of how Josh Allen handled that, handled that
Speaker 1: and then the offensive line and everything else in that play.
Speaker 2: It's kind of funny is that one of the biggest
Speaker 2: areas of growth for Josh Allen has been the mental
Speaker 2: side and obviously the accuracy and all that, but like
Speaker 2: he's really been. He's one of the best quarterbacks pre
Speaker 2: staff right now, which I think would maybe surprise some people.
Speaker 2: But he handles as much as the guys that we
Speaker 2: consider the sheriffs and everything, Like he changes protections, he
Speaker 2: changes like who else Dak the Borrow, I guess would
Speaker 2: be up there. That's usually the guys that you can well.
Speaker 2: Burrow probably gets the most praise for it, and he
Speaker 2: does do it. That's why he's great. But Dak is
Speaker 2: another one. But I say, Josh is up there, Mahomes
Speaker 2: is up there. Of course Mahomes calls freaking Mahomes is
Speaker 2: calling the fronts out as he's doing the cadence, which
Speaker 2: is so absurd to me. But that's what he's bored
Speaker 2: during the regular season. He wants new challenges, you could
Speaker 2: tell Mahomes does. So. Yeah, I know we're talking about
Speaker 2: Alan and stuff, but those guys are remarkable. Lamar has
Speaker 2: gotten so much better at it too. But no, those
Speaker 2: guys are really good. But anyways, that last play, it
Speaker 2: was interesting to me and hearing that that, I think
Speaker 2: it was a science turrets that said that that they
Speaker 2: were showing. They didn't they showed that look with then
Speaker 2: bring the blitz and then Spags puts heat on making
Speaker 2: you do the hard thing on the last play of
Speaker 2: the game or the big the high variance plays of
Speaker 2: the games. If you remember last year's Super Bowl, the
Speaker 2: one where Trent McDuffie puts off the off the slot,
Speaker 2: that was another one where it kind of hadn't shown it.
Speaker 2: What happens in a lot of those gutta have it
Speaker 2: situations is you know off its coordinators get a little cute.
Speaker 2: You know, there was a five man protection with Khalil
Speaker 2: Shakir in the backfield. Okay, they know he's not past protecting.
Speaker 2: And then last year in that Super Bowl, George Kittle's
Speaker 2: in the backfield, they sent a kind of a it
Speaker 2: wasn't that exotic, but fairly exotic blitz. George Kittle is
Speaker 2: a great blocker, He's not a running back that could
Speaker 2: trained and pass protection. And it's not just the physical side,
Speaker 2: it's the mental side to pick up what's going on there.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have the training. So like Spags would
Speaker 2: on that last play, the Bills offensive line sliding left
Speaker 2: because that's what they've gotten the whole time, and on
Speaker 2: it they should be sliding right. But if they slid
Speaker 2: right on it and just kind of like too long,
Speaker 2: didn't read version is the little leap of faith. It's
Speaker 2: really going like a you know, if we do this
Speaker 2: and we're wrong, we're guaranteeing that Chris Jones might be unblocked,
Speaker 2: or the defensive end that ended up dropping might be unblocked.
Speaker 2: But if we're right, we wad this up and we
Speaker 2: have all the time in the world, and.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to kill them if Chris Jones is unblocked
Speaker 1: and the biggest play of the game.
Speaker 2: Correct. But that's what Spags makes you heare and I
Speaker 2: bet you Josh Allen and the Senator McGovern have done
Speaker 2: that look before and have adjusted it. And I actually
Speaker 2: know they have because I have a clip against Todd
Speaker 2: Bowles that I tweeted out from this year. I believe
Speaker 2: where he is sliding the protection into that type of
Speaker 2: blitz to a corner blitz. It's just that once fourth
Speaker 2: down on the road, gotta have it. Am I going
Speaker 2: to do the five oh one level thing? Or am
Speaker 2: I gonna just do one on one? Snap the ball
Speaker 2: and out, I'm gonna play. And that's what That's what
Speaker 2: Spags does. He dares you to do it. And Alan,
Speaker 2: who is so mentally sharp now, and the offensive line,
Speaker 2: they were just dead in the water because even if
Speaker 2: they did slide it right, say four guys, which is
Speaker 2: probably what they would have done, the corner McDuffie would
Speaker 2: have been free anyways, just because of a number count.
Speaker 2: If they got the perfect answer, which is sliding all five,
Speaker 2: which you can't do. That is again a such an
Speaker 2: exotic answer. To an exotic question that it's like, that's
Speaker 2: the advanced level test, that's the PhD level and the
Speaker 2: biggest play of the year. So it's just that's what
Speaker 2: they do. That's the stresses of those blitzeres. And on
Speaker 2: top of it, the play before they ran cover zero
Speaker 2: and they try to throw a screen against it, which
Speaker 2: actually was a good call. Mary Cooper becomes a little
Speaker 2: bit of a body catcher when he's stressed, so he
Speaker 2: caught it, takes a second, slit slips a little, and
Speaker 2: then George Carloffin's mad a nice play and retraced on it.
Speaker 2: But what I get with Joe Brady and the Bills
Speaker 2: were trying to do. Bills were trying to do trying
Speaker 2: to get everybody out knowing that it might be a blitz.
Speaker 2: You either want to get everybody out, all five guys
Speaker 2: and have five guys protecting, or you want all seven
Speaker 2: in and then then we really block it up. But
Speaker 2: then if you got all seven in the day, don't blitz.
Speaker 2: You're wasting blockers. So again, this is the conundrum of specs,
Speaker 2: and that's that's why he puts you know, makes offenses
Speaker 2: look foolish like this or have makes breakdowns turn into
Speaker 2: giant discussions about everything in awful announcing articles written about
Speaker 2: your path. Oh my gosh, oh man, that is I
Speaker 2: get why. I guess that's a hard answer what he
Speaker 2: was trying to say, But holy crap, what's everyone doing?
Speaker 2: Why do you coming at him?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's just it's such a complicated sport.
Speaker 1: It's why I fell in love with the sport really
Speaker 1: when I started to cover it, like I loved it.
Speaker 1: But you know, it takes a few years to realize
Speaker 1: how little you know. And I'm always amazed by there
Speaker 1: are people that cover it their whole lives. They still
Speaker 1: don't realize how little they know. At least I feel like,
Speaker 1: at least I realize how little I know. And you're
Speaker 1: talking about this five oz one level stuff, and I
Speaker 1: find it all fascinating. And the sport works at every
Speaker 1: single level you can you can simplify it, and you
Speaker 1: can't also simplify it. To the fact that they have
Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo, who is a one of the best defensive
Speaker 1: play of callers literally of all time. That to me, now,
Speaker 1: the resume he is putting up is getting up there
Speaker 1: with Belichick and one of the reasons he's getting to
Speaker 1: that level is because he sort of has the luxury.
Speaker 1: It's not his choice, but it's the luxury. That's all
Speaker 1: he's doing. He doesn't have to worry about running the
Speaker 1: team while calling the plays and the resume he is
Speaker 1: putting up year after year. The Rams talked about the
Speaker 1: weight bearing walls of Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald and everything.
Speaker 1: It's like the chiefs weight bearing walls include Steve Spagnolo.
Speaker 1: It's it's either three guys or four guys. It's mahomes
Speaker 1: read in Spagnolo, or it's mahomes read Spagnolo. And I'll
Speaker 1: throw in Chris Jones just because the resume that he's
Speaker 1: put up at over this longest stretches just incredible. And
Speaker 1: so you can understand all of that, and uh, then
Speaker 1: a guy like our friend Ben, you know, makes a
Speaker 1: reasonable point on it, and but someone sees a little
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of weakness that and uh,
Speaker 1: they attack because no one wants to be told that
Speaker 1: they don't understand the game, and they don'tant especially by
Speaker 1: someone that's like my size or Ben size.
Speaker 2: And works at it. He actually like knows ball. That's
Speaker 2: what's Oh yes, I just I just want to say
Speaker 2: some of the guys, it's like, hey, keep the same
Speaker 2: energy when some of your former NFL p a right.
Speaker 2: Actually the point how much guys swear this spout out
Speaker 2: some bolt then and that don't even do the work, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I keep that same energy for that, you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I just want to say.
Speaker 1: That that's it right there, because Ben understands it on
Speaker 1: a deeper level than I do. And obviously not as
Speaker 1: a deeper level as like NFL coaches and in players
Speaker 1: in all that stuff, but you and I know in
Speaker 1: the media, like the half the ex players are barely
Speaker 1: paying attention and don't really know all that much anyways,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them know it at a level
Speaker 1: that I can't possibly fathom. But there's a spectrum, and
Speaker 1: some of the people with the biggest you know, outlets
Speaker 1: and regular jobs like are following at the least, so
Speaker 1: you don't need to go too crazy with respect.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, it's just like every field, it's a spectrum.
Speaker 2: Like some are actually those geniuses, they're incredible and do
Speaker 2: all that. And I'll say this about it's not every player.
Speaker 2: A lot of these players though, and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: the ones of the media, but a lot of players aren't.
Speaker 2: Like I turn on the game, I watch play one
Speaker 2: to play sixty, and I watch every single play through
Speaker 2: on film on All twenty two. I had a coach
Speaker 2: make me a seven play cut up. I had a
Speaker 2: coach make me a twelve play cut up. I had
Speaker 2: my coach make me a five play cut up. That's
Speaker 2: what that was, quote unquote film watching for a lot
Speaker 2: of the guys, not everybody quarterbacks. Obviously, it did a lot.
Speaker 2: But you know, some guys, yes, they watch every play,
Speaker 2: they're chunky about it, but some, you know, they just
Speaker 2: watched some cutups, and some to even watch that. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny for me to like really put
Speaker 2: their chest down and yelled about it. So but no,
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, I loved your you quote tweeted me about
Speaker 2: I think he had a crazy he had seven pressures
Speaker 2: in the first half, and I think you said he's
Speaker 2: probably put up the resumes, maybe the best playoff defender
Speaker 2: of all time or something that's sort I don't want
Speaker 2: to I.
Speaker 1: Think it was like this. I think I said this
Speaker 1: century yeah, just like and it was more like the
Speaker 1: total resume. How we measure. Tom Brady was ultimately about
Speaker 1: the longevity of it all, Like obviously Hearon Donald is
Speaker 1: another level, or even Lawrence Tate, Like they're a different level,
Speaker 1: I would say than Chris Jones. But because he's always
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, like the resume he has put up
Speaker 1: now and the amount of playoff appearances and how many
Speaker 1: games he's literally changed the outcome of I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know who else would be there over the
Speaker 1: last twenty five years. I don't think anyone.
Speaker 2: It's like him. Like twenty fifteen, von Miller was a hot,
Speaker 2: a hot year and this year that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, one single season.
Speaker 1: He'll get a couple of games every year like this
Speaker 1: done to high Tower, had a ton of moments like
Speaker 1: he would be my Patriots straight Ty Law was incredible
Speaker 1: for a couple of playoffs, but.
Speaker 2: Not Troy Brown when he played Nickel for you guys,
Speaker 2: that was a one of them. I'm a Mariano Rivera,
Speaker 2: that's another playoff playoff.
Speaker 1: Perform says what this is now? What six straight you
Speaker 1: know playoffs?
Speaker 2: Seven six years? Yeah, changing von Mellwer had the rams
Speaker 2: here too, so he's another one Aaron Donald, of course,
Speaker 2: just because he's Aaron Donald. But that that's I I
Speaker 2: because I was a great I loved you tweeted that
Speaker 2: and actually I meant to talk about it on our
Speaker 2: pod because I wanted it, but I always go along
Speaker 2: if you guys can't tell. And I started kind of
Speaker 2: really just thinking on it, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I think that's the answer though, because I was trying
Speaker 2: to think of someone in the early yachts and I
Speaker 2: just couldn't. No one kind of came to mind. And
Speaker 2: maybe it was just because I wasn't focused on Patriots
Speaker 2: defense as much and they're you know, Eagles defenders, maybe
Speaker 2: Ronde Barber, you know, like it's you know, for the box,
Speaker 2: like but that was only a couple in the early yachts.
Speaker 1: You know, that's it's you even think about. Like like
Speaker 1: last year was like his pressure kind of did the
Speaker 1: game in the AFC playoffs.
Speaker 2: Really pushed Dawkins back right right.
Speaker 1: There's so many where it's just like you can if
Speaker 1: you really look into it, he completely changed the game.
Speaker 1: I went longer on this part of the show than
Speaker 1: I expected, but that's just what we do. You did
Speaker 1: perk up for a second, and I'm going to leave
Speaker 1: this Bills section with this, and I'm sorry to our
Speaker 1: producer Eric, who's a diehard Bills fan here, but I
Speaker 1: rewatching it. It did strike me that the end of
Speaker 1: allen season was a little weird. He had more turnover
Speaker 1: worth he plays. According to PFF, in this game, I
Speaker 1: counted up than the last ten weeks combined, which is
Speaker 1: not what you want. And you go back to his season. Actually,
Speaker 1: if you think about I'm trying to go through the games,
Speaker 1: like there was the Patriots game, which was a really
Speaker 1: weird game. The first time around, he did not play
Speaker 1: well in that game. They almost lost that game. Then
Speaker 1: he bounced back, he played well against the Jets to
Speaker 1: end the regular season, and he comes in plays well,
Speaker 1: you know, against the Broncos, and then last week like
Speaker 1: he was barely there in a way that it wasn't
Speaker 1: his fault, but also like didn't happen all season, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, what is going on here? Like
Speaker 1: Josh Allen was such such a small part of this game,
Speaker 1: and then this game was a little weird. So it's
Speaker 1: just like a little bit of an up and down
Speaker 1: after after what had been an incredible possibly MVP season
Speaker 1: just ended on.
Speaker 2: A weird note. I mean, shoot to was it early
Speaker 2: December when he had those games against the Rams and
Speaker 2: the Lions. It was like, oh my god, like this
Speaker 2: is this is We're not going to see this. This
Speaker 2: is He wrapped the MVP up right there. But it
Speaker 2: felt like in these playoff games, at least last week
Speaker 2: and this week, it almost was like we're watching Allen
Speaker 2: from a few years ago. Out early Allen where it
Speaker 2: was like his biggest highlights or his best plays were
Speaker 2: the big arm throws and him as a runner, you know,
Speaker 2: except for the QB sneaks and that, Yeah that was incredible.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like props to the Chiefs defense. But anyway,
Speaker 2: but I think that's where he almost evolved into that.
Speaker 2: That first drive was worried something. If I were watching it, Like,
Speaker 2: I know, Alan can be streaky early, he kind of
Speaker 2: always settles in. He's a guy that needs a lot
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks are like this, or not a lot, but
Speaker 2: a chunk more than you would think. They need to
Speaker 2: get hit once and then they kind of just go okay,
Speaker 2: I'm good, like all right, I got kind of I
Speaker 2: need to I got. It was a little a little
Speaker 2: wild there all right now, you kind of get slapped
Speaker 2: a little bit, and he's kind of like that. And
Speaker 2: I could tell he was kind of a little juiced
Speaker 2: up early, which kind of reminds me more old Allen.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is allan of this year and
Speaker 2: really of last year or two, because I think this
Speaker 2: year was a continuation of it has turned into such
Speaker 2: an all everything quarterback. Now let's say the big arm
Speaker 2: plays and throwing far and the crazy plays out of
Speaker 2: pocket where he's one yard from the sideline, But like
Speaker 2: his instructure stuff and his accuracy that first month of
Speaker 2: the season was tremendous until they ran into the Ravens,
Speaker 2: I think, and then the Texans game is really wonky.
Speaker 2: But his ment I already talked about the mental sign
Speaker 2: of the blitz side that's very real. And then also
Speaker 2: just the act she stuff that work from the pocket,
Speaker 2: like he deserves to be up there. I consider one
Speaker 2: of the elite guys. It's just that sometimes in these
Speaker 2: moments he kind of devolves into his I don't want
Speaker 2: to say less herself, but more of his ID, you know,
Speaker 2: like he yeah, you know, he listens to his ID.
Speaker 2: I guess I do you even listen to your id,
Speaker 2: but I guess it.
Speaker 1: Works sometimes too. He has the touchdown drive to tie
Speaker 1: up the AFC Championship game when he absolutely has to
Speaker 1: have it in part because of that it and he
Speaker 1: made it. He made a ton of plays. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say he played, oh, because he made a
Speaker 1: ton of plays. I mean he's making it happen with
Speaker 1: Matt Collins and and you're right, the team, the teammates
Speaker 1: make a big deal Rewatching that Amari Cooper play hurt
Speaker 1: me today because I was thinking, like, oh, man, like
Speaker 1: Shakir makes that first down, I think, right there on
Speaker 1: that screen, he makes the guy miss and it's too.
Speaker 2: Bad Collins with a What a beautiful dunk? Though, that
Speaker 2: was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: Trusting Matt Collins in a big spot pays off. It
Speaker 1: gets truff We're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna
Speaker 1: come back, and we're going to talk about the draft
Speaker 1: before we do that, though, I do not want to
Speaker 1: forget to talk about a show that's coming up next Monday. Nate,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to make it. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're in Las Vegas, but it's in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It's hosted by our friend Mina chimes all the proceeds
Speaker 1: to it are going to fire relief. Thankfully, we got
Speaker 1: a ton of rain over the last twenty four hours
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, which just like never have I've been
Speaker 1: so excited to just see rainfall. First of all, it's
Speaker 1: been like eight months, which is crazy, or ten months,
Speaker 1: I don't know last time was. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of recovering that still needs to happen here in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and every ticket sold to this benefit is going directly
Speaker 1: to fire disaster relief. And so Mina's hosting it, but
Speaker 1: I will be there. Jordan rod Rieg of The Athletic
Speaker 1: and of NFL Daily, and I heed the call. She
Speaker 1: will be there, some other hosts from the Ringer, the
Speaker 1: guys that do the watch who are great. I think
Speaker 1: she'll have some other special guests that she's working at.
Speaker 1: It's at the Belasco Theater. It's in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 1: try not to ask our listeners for much, but if
Speaker 1: you're in the LA area and you think you like
Speaker 1: the show, please come out again. It's downtown. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: They got a beautiful theater. So I'm going to be
Speaker 1: mentioning it all week and we will have Mina on
Speaker 1: the show tomorrow. Actually, we're going to go over all
Speaker 1: the coaching hires and everything that's been going on there,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the benefit a little bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention that before we take a break,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and the NFL Draft back on NFL Daily
Speaker 1: And yeah, Nate, you mentioned the shotty shots. We could
Speaker 1: spend a while on that, Yeah, but instead we're going
Speaker 1: to break down all the press conferences. There was four
Speaker 1: on Monday. We're going to break that down on our
Speaker 1: next show. But Brian Schottenheimer Liam Cohen with with a
Speaker 1: very awkward moment. The reference I started the show with, let's.
Speaker 2: Listen, Jacksonville, the community do all, how do we do
Speaker 2: this together?
Speaker 1: I was watching that and I'm thinking, like, that's the
Speaker 1: biting kneecaps moment of this coaching cycle. Just the facial
Speaker 1: it was something about the eyes. There was something about
Speaker 1: As I watched it, though I felt better. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a press conference. It's awkward. He
Speaker 1: might have felt a little defensive because of everything that
Speaker 1: that happened there. And by the end I was like this,
Speaker 1: this is a good.
Speaker 2: Mean he said, she said he's sick, She's sick. Thing
Speaker 2: that we going on most.
Speaker 1: It was a lot going on, but yes, we'll hit
Speaker 1: all the coaching stuff on Wednesday show. Are you excited
Speaker 1: though about the Schottenheimer era? Quickly?
Speaker 2: Sure, it's a big shrug, which I think is just
Speaker 2: what I think everybody's reaction to it. I don't know, man, people,
Speaker 2: I try to ask him a question. He started talking
Speaker 2: about Barry Switzer and it was just like, oh, oh boy,
Speaker 2: oh boy. Strap in the Lilliam Cohen thing reminds me
Speaker 2: of Brett Bielman went to Arkansas. He was my coach
Speaker 2: at Wisconsin and they did the Wu Pig suie and
Speaker 2: you could tell he thought he just had to do
Speaker 2: it once, and they did it like three or four times,
Speaker 2: and you could tell he's like, we're doing it again.
Speaker 2: We're doing it again. So that's what that reminds me.
Speaker 1: All it was like you got prepped by the pr guy,
Speaker 1: but right before it started to say it and it
Speaker 1: was the first time doing it and it didn't quite track.
Speaker 1: But good luck. I want to see good quarterback talent
Speaker 1: play well. And we'll get into that more on the
Speaker 1: next show, but I think Liam Cohen is a good
Speaker 1: one for Trevor Lawrence. Let's stock quarterbacks to start about
Speaker 1: this twenty t twenty five draft. I preface this by
Speaker 1: telling our listeners I'm a basic when it comes to
Speaker 1: the draft. I'm excited that we have this daily format,
Speaker 1: and I don't do a lot of draft stuff until
Speaker 1: now because I'm just in it. I don't have the
Speaker 1: brain power that Nate Tyst does to do a big board.
Speaker 1: In the middle of October, I went and found and all, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're on four point zero of your mock draft,
Speaker 1: so you're you're grinding through these guys. I am excited
Speaker 1: to go to school and kind of hopefully the listeners
Speaker 1: will be on this journey with me as we kind
Speaker 1: of learn about this draft class in particular, and this
Speaker 1: is really the start of it. So I just thought
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to have one of my favorite draft
Speaker 1: minds out there, Nate you on because it's Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: week and we don't have to be too locked into
Speaker 1: everything that's going to happen at Senior Bowl Week. We're
Speaker 1: also gonna talk about at the end of the week
Speaker 1: how it went down. But when you look at this
Speaker 1: class overall, like not as much sizzle maybe up top
Speaker 1: because of the quarterbacks, but still an intriguing class. Like
Speaker 1: how would you evaluate like the overall class, like in
Speaker 1: terms of top shelf town oh to and like where
Speaker 1: it's strongest that.
Speaker 2: Okay, overall with the quarterbacks, I'll start there, not not
Speaker 2: not a great quarterback class overall with at the top
Speaker 2: and depth, I would say cam Ward is my number
Speaker 2: one guy, and then you know, Shadar Sanders right now
Speaker 2: is two, but it's not I don't have a true
Speaker 2: true first round grade on him. It's more of like
Speaker 2: a you know, it's that next tier where I would
Speaker 2: maybe slot him in, but then after that it's kind
Speaker 2: of I mean, even with Shuder and cam Ward is
Speaker 2: kind of dealer's choice. It's your flavor that you like.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm bullish on a guy Riley Leonard from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: I like a lot of his traits. But the thing
Speaker 2: is that's bullish in the sense of like third round,
Speaker 2: not like, oh, sneak into the first. There's guys like
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe from Alabama, who's a good athlete measured in
Speaker 2: today at the Senior Bowl with very small hands a
Speaker 2: picket sized, which is always concerning, but very good athlete
Speaker 2: really improved this year. I mean the Neckler size or
Speaker 2: the eight eight and a half or eight and three
Speaker 2: quarters eight and three course Eighten.
Speaker 1: Love, I love that you had like an actual answer
Speaker 1: for that. Just Tom Brady hit Austin Eckler with the
Speaker 1: small hands when he fumbled on Sundays. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you check out. I got that in the broadcast.
Speaker 1: I was like, damn Tom, that was tough. Uh at
Speaker 1: the bottle jig spot and you got Tom Brady talking
Speaker 1: about your small hands, Okay. Jalen Mill wrote, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and the rest of the rest
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Class of the Cress. It's just kind of you know again,
Speaker 2: it's flavors. Jackson Dart from Ole miss has got some
Speaker 2: hype right now. He's also at the Senior Bowl. I
Speaker 2: look at him as an early Day three guy right now.
Speaker 2: Maybe you have to die back in, but it's a
Speaker 2: lot of those. It's a lot of early Day three types.
Speaker 2: That's like, oh, I can maybe see him in the
Speaker 2: third as opposed to sneaking him up in the first.
Speaker 2: To me, cam Ward is the one only one I
Speaker 2: trust from Miami is the only one I would like
Speaker 2: feel okay taking in the top fifteen, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: he might even go top five. But other than that,
Speaker 2: like outside quarterback, it's a really good running back class,
Speaker 2: really really good at the top and depth wise. Every round,
Speaker 2: every type, big guys, small guys. Ashon Genty from Boise State,
Speaker 2: it's going to get the most hype. He's incredible, Heisman finalist.
Speaker 2: I have a top ten grade on him, and I
Speaker 2: feel good about it. If he can go anywhere in
Speaker 2: the first round, I totally get it. Then you got
Speaker 2: shoot it's going from there. You got from Caleb Johnson
Speaker 2: from Iowa. You have the o Higo State running backs,
Speaker 2: tre David Harr's or Trevion Henderson, who's a really fun guy.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna really like him because he's really
Speaker 2: good in pass protection. He's really fast, like he's like
Speaker 2: a pro.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean like Mike Mike Scoutings is watching the NFL,
Speaker 1: you know, National Championship being like, oh wow, these guys, okay,
Speaker 1: they really are they really are going high because they
Speaker 1: kind of look like the guy exactly would go high.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, at least for now, No, it's good
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks because Milroe and Dart are at the
Speaker 1: Sooner Bowl, and so so's Riley Leonard. I know you
Speaker 1: liked Riley Leonard a lot at Duke. Maybe he had
Speaker 1: like a bit of a disappointing year. Milroe seems like
Speaker 1: he's so physically talented that some team's gonna love him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but huge, You, for instance, were huge on Anthony richards
Speaker 1: and I know they're completely different quarterbacks, but they both
Speaker 1: had elite traits and our special runners, or at least
Speaker 1: you can tell me. Maybe Milroe is not a special
Speaker 1: runner if you don't think so, but it has special speed.
Speaker 2: Certainly, he's a very good athlete. You can you can fly,
Speaker 2: He's an excellent athlete. Yeah. The Richardson comparisons keep coming in,
Speaker 2: but Richardson still has these three inches tall or thirty
Speaker 2: pounds heavier and probably runs the same forty and has
Speaker 2: a better more lie, I think he's better. I know
Speaker 2: what this is crazy to say. Richardson's feel in the
Speaker 2: pocket and everything is way better than Milroe. Even though
Speaker 2: Milroe has improved and everything this year, Richardson always had that.
Speaker 2: That's why I was always so bullish on him still am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's very young. And I was kind of
Speaker 1: kind to ask you about that because maybe that's why
Speaker 1: you thought it made sense with the traits that Richardson
Speaker 1: could go that high because I was with you. He
Speaker 1: was so good at avoiding sacks, so good I feel
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and even going through his reads sometimes like,
Speaker 1: is Milroe a guy you think in this in the
Speaker 1: lead up to the draft could do enough that he
Speaker 1: kind of gets in that mix because from the outside,
Speaker 1: not knowing enough, he just seems like that guy that's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys can tell me that he's not a first
Speaker 1: round pick now, but he's the guy that usually by
Speaker 1: the end of the process gets pushed up pretty high.
Speaker 1: And do you think he he should?
Speaker 2: Basically I don't think he should, but I think he will.
Speaker 2: I think his best case is like a justin fields,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's more how I picture him than
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. Not really saying the top quarterbacks right now,
Speaker 2: but that's kind of how I picture him more of.
Speaker 2: And so to me, he's more of a day to
Speaker 2: dart throw than a guy I would bump up even
Speaker 2: in the first round. And I know people want to
Speaker 2: make the contract stuff and everything. As soon as you
Speaker 2: put the first round great or one dash twenty four
Speaker 2: next to a quarterback, he's on the field, you know,
Speaker 2: So I'd much rather take that Dart throw on Day two,
Speaker 2: I would say the the Bama coaches got I mean,
Speaker 2: they were whoever took that job after save and was
Speaker 2: gonna be underheat no matter what. I thought. They did
Speaker 2: a really good job of streamlined thing, stream aligning things
Speaker 2: for Milroe in the sense of like, all right, one
Speaker 2: to go, one go, And I thought he there's the
Speaker 2: old coaching adage, if you make a mistake, make it fast.
Speaker 2: I think Milroe was doing that much better this year.
Speaker 2: I wanted him to stay another year or figure it
Speaker 2: out how to do it. But he's entering the draft,
Speaker 2: so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll be in Mobile, so he'll get a
Speaker 1: lot of attention. Yep, this week. Jackson Dart's a guy
Speaker 1: who you know, played in a wonky offense a little
Speaker 1: bit at Ole miss bombs away that people that are
Speaker 1: fans of teams that need quarterbacks this offseason and are
Speaker 1: just annoyed that they weren't in the draft last year,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're looking at this free agent class,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like adding up the teams and there's
Speaker 1: just not many good options possibly out there. I think
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford's probably the bell of the ball because I
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a sense that he's available
Speaker 1: and we'll see. But then there's Darnold and it's a
Speaker 1: it's rusts and fields. After that, it's it's it's pretty
Speaker 1: slim pickings, and it's slim pickings in the draft. And
Speaker 1: yet there's only there's about seven teams that are going
Speaker 1: to be looking at quarterbacks in the draft. And so man,
Speaker 1: some of those fan bases are out there, they're talking
Speaker 1: themselves into like Jackson Dart could be our dude, what
Speaker 1: do you think, like what are his pluses and minuses?
Speaker 1: And if there's like a quarterback maybe that that is
Speaker 1: there and mobile that you think might have like a
Speaker 1: week there to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Dart, it's he has tools, he has trades.
Speaker 2: He put up production as a runner and thrower. The
Speaker 2: thing with that Lane Kiff and offensive Ole Miss, it's
Speaker 2: a money play offense. And so it's like I watched
Speaker 2: Matt Carral just do the exact same thing a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. I feel like I'm having the conversation
Speaker 2: all over again. But the with with him with Dart
Speaker 2: is that I don't know his feeling. I've never gotten
Speaker 2: there with his feel for the playing the position. I
Speaker 2: think he does throw a nice ball, and I do
Speaker 2: think he can make some nice plays. It always just
Speaker 2: a hairs late to me, like you know, okay, there's
Speaker 2: it's open, Okay, now there's the throw, as opposed to
Speaker 2: anticipating the throw. I've also just seen endgame situations where
Speaker 2: he's not even making the right read and maybe it's
Speaker 2: like stress stresses him out, which scares me with a guy,
Speaker 2: especially if you're saying first round, he might have a week,
Speaker 2: this might this is the perfect type of week. He
Speaker 2: also has to show that he can grasp a win
Speaker 2: kiff and as a quote unquote NFL offense. But it's
Speaker 2: more about terminology. But like as far as the depth
Speaker 2: of the playbook is probably not there at Old Miss,
Speaker 2: and I maybe want to see him like how quickly
Speaker 2: he grasps his stuff, how quickly he can do one
Speaker 2: to two to three as opposed to like it's a
Speaker 2: lot of one and done. Because Mike keff It goes
Speaker 2: this MF is gonna be wide open. You better throw it,
Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to like, okay, you got to
Speaker 2: progress through this. So I have hesitations with him. I
Speaker 2: see him getting a lot of hype too. But again,
Speaker 2: like I you guys, stick to what the grade is,
Speaker 2: not like oh there's somebody who's got to rise up.
Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no. If you have a bunch
Speaker 2: of third fourth round grades, that means they're third fourth rounders.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they have to get bumped up just because
Speaker 2: they're QB three or QB four by default. So he's one.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of always teppering. And I would say, again,
Speaker 2: Leonard is the guy that maybe has a good week,
Speaker 2: but I think he's banged up after that college football
Speaker 2: playoff he waited.
Speaker 1: It was like a week ago. It is crazy that.
Speaker 2: He weighed two ten today, so he's probably worn down.
Speaker 2: I think he's like two twenty five normally, so.
Speaker 1: Brutal to go. I mean immediately from the National Championship
Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl, into the entire draft process into
Speaker 1: your NFL season. It already seems kind of like a
Speaker 1: brutal process. But uh, for him and Will how you know,
Speaker 1: who knows will who is also there? Who? Who do
Speaker 1: you think the highest drafted player there is in Mobile
Speaker 1: potentially some options? Shamar Stewart is there? Who?
Speaker 2: Yeah, an edge.
Speaker 1: Player, armand Mambou. I believed from Missouri. I couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: I've been following it enough that I was surprised when
Speaker 1: my my friend of me, Daniel Jeremiah put him eleventh
Speaker 1: in his mock draft. So that's that's a tackle from
Speaker 1: Missouri that maybe is rising late.
Speaker 2: Charles had him in our first round and people got
Speaker 2: mad at us, and all of a sudden, DJ bumps
Speaker 2: him up the top eleven and everyone's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta check him out. That's okay. I am going
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs at like thirty or whatever it was
Speaker 2: that week, and everyone freaked the f out on us.
Speaker 1: It shows you're onto something and this happens. Like Jeremiah,
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't throw that in there in a
Speaker 1: vacuum because it's a mock. It's not his top it's
Speaker 1: not his top fifty. He hasn't released that yet. It's
Speaker 1: him talking to the rest of the league and being like, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is gonna make me look smart in April because
Speaker 1: this dude is going to be the dude and I
Speaker 1: and I kind of showed that I knew my stuff
Speaker 1: so exactly.
Speaker 2: It No, there's there's there's so much some real good
Speaker 2: offensive lineman there. Josh Connolly from Oregon and boo, you
Speaker 2: just brought up and why am I there's another tackle
Speaker 2: that might be a guard and for some reason I
Speaker 2: don't have it written down right now in front of me.
Speaker 2: Oh and then they got Jonah Slavinia from Arizona, who's
Speaker 2: a guard that might sneak into the first round. A
Speaker 2: Wyatt Milliam from uh he's a tackle from West Virginia.
Speaker 2: I think he's a guard. But it's actually pretty it's
Speaker 2: an interesting offensive line class. Like there is offense line depth,
Speaker 2: it's just not those there's no freaky tackles like I
Speaker 2: really like Will Campbell from Elsi. He's not at the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, but people are like, oh, he's a guard.
Speaker 2: I think he can stick out the tackle. But it's
Speaker 2: a lot of actually want the Patriots to draft him,
Speaker 2: by the way, but I think the the this offensive
Speaker 2: line class in the tackles, it's a lot of like
Speaker 2: is he a guarter? Is he a tackle? Is he
Speaker 2: good enough? He's a good athlete. Is he strong enough? Oh,
Speaker 2: he's strong enough. There's a lot of just tweeter types.
Speaker 2: That's like, this guy's a starter. I just don't know
Speaker 2: which position he's starting at and if he's like a
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl starter or just a solid starter. But I
Speaker 2: think it's just it's a really gonna be a big
Speaker 2: time either beholder offensive line class, and I think someone
Speaker 2: people are gonna hit, like people are going to find
Speaker 2: some Pro bowlers in this class. I really do think
Speaker 2: that like late like late first, early second types. But
Speaker 2: he's just got to be the right fit for all
Speaker 2: these guys.
Speaker 1: But maybe not one to be looking desperately for a
Speaker 1: tackle at number four overall just because it's so deep.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can go to a different position there. I
Speaker 1: will I will be sad if Travis Hunter is like
Speaker 1: as exciting in the pros as he is, that they
Speaker 1: that they won that stupid game against the Bills backups
Speaker 1: because they were if they were one and overall, would
Speaker 1: you if you had the first overall pick and you
Speaker 1: were let's say, like the Patriots, you didn't need a
Speaker 1: quarterback but can basically use someone anywhere else where, would
Speaker 1: you go?
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I would try to convince everybody that
Speaker 2: cam Ward's the greatest quarterback they've ever seen in their life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First, yeah, I would go man because this is really
Speaker 2: hard to because it's not I would go off into
Speaker 2: line because I just do. I would go Trenches. That's
Speaker 2: my first answer. And to me, it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: as Dual Carter is it Will Campbell and Carter I
Speaker 2: think is a better player. I don't think he's as generation.
Speaker 2: People are thrown out generational with him. It's like, come my, guys, chill,
Speaker 2: but he's a very good prospect. And I think it's like,
Speaker 2: do the Patriots need that?
Speaker 1: Do they forget? Even forget even Patriots think of it
Speaker 1: as a as a generic team because yes, the new
Speaker 1: GM makes the comment that they don't want to pass
Speaker 1: on a generational talent at one kind of indicating I'm
Speaker 1: not kidding, Hey, we're not going to just take a
Speaker 1: quarterback just just to take it, and everyone is like,
Speaker 1: he must mean Travis Hunter, and then everyone else is like, no,
Speaker 1: actually he means Abdull Carter, the interior rusher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always Trenches first, So I would put I
Speaker 2: have Travis Hunter as one on my board. So that's
Speaker 2: what's hard. That's what's hard too. He if you're going
Speaker 2: best player, we do not care the position. It's truly
Speaker 2: bp A. I would say Travis Hunter. But if I admit,
Speaker 2: where do you play him?
Speaker 1: What does he do?
Speaker 2: Corner? He's a corner, and I think he's a but
Speaker 2: he's a special corner, like he has top you know,
Speaker 2: all Pro first team every year type up side. He's
Speaker 2: not that big too, like size wise. That's the only
Speaker 2: thing about playing both ways in the NFL I'm a
Speaker 2: little scared about. I think he's a corner full time
Speaker 2: and a receiver four that you play for eight to
Speaker 2: twelve plays a game, and I just think that's what
Speaker 2: they try to use my Colorado. He is so raw
Speaker 2: as a receiver. I feel like you only knows a
Speaker 2: quarter of the playbook, which I understand. Playing both sides
Speaker 2: is really hard full time physically and mentally. I think
Speaker 2: it only gets harder in the NFL. So you keep
Speaker 2: that package real small and then keep the let them
Speaker 2: just be dominant a corner. I thought of the guard
Speaker 2: by ways, Marcus Minbau from Purdue, who I like as well.
Speaker 2: That's the other guys.
Speaker 1: Sorry, And then like when Carter.
Speaker 2: Is the if I'm if I'm going trenches is Abdual Carter,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, okay from Penn State.
Speaker 1: So like, where else do you think like the draft
Speaker 1: is is weak and and most strong? Because because I
Speaker 1: cut you off, you said the running backs deep throughout
Speaker 1: great at the top wide receiver doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 1: as flashy a class as the last few. It's okay,
Speaker 1: where where do you think the class is at its best?
Speaker 2: Tight End is the other position running back and tight
Speaker 2: ends where my eyes go. And then defensive line, defensive tackle,
Speaker 2: and edge, you know, like those are probably the three
Speaker 2: top spots, like starting on offense, like Marge brought some
Speaker 2: of the running backs, but tight end wise, I see
Speaker 2: at least two going in the first round and like that,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be shocked if maybe another guy sneaks
Speaker 2: in there. But like Tower Warren from Penn State is
Speaker 2: a freak, it could looks like a three down Why
Speaker 2: that's also explosive. I've seen Kittle comparisons. That's pretty extreme
Speaker 2: to me. But it's it's not like like totally out
Speaker 2: of the park, you know, like you know, out of
Speaker 2: whack to like compare Kittle to that, which is that
Speaker 2: that's but that's the high high, high end upside. I
Speaker 2: think DJ had him in the top ten.
Speaker 1: DJ had him going seventh, which I was like, is
Speaker 1: that the is that the brock Bawers effect, not that
Speaker 1: he's brock Bowers or even you know, the same player.
Speaker 1: But it's funny because you look at last year's draft
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, supposedly the Rams want to
Speaker 1: trade up for brock Power. Everyone wanted brock Bowers. It
Speaker 1: was kind of like Mahomes back in the day after
Speaker 1: the fact that everyone, although I think it was credible,
Speaker 1: they really did want brock Powers. And you look at
Speaker 1: it and the Raiders kind of settled for him because
Speaker 1: they didn't get a quarterback and thought, wow, that's high
Speaker 1: for a tight end. And now you think, like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not too high for a tight end anyone. That's
Speaker 1: a difference maker. It's the same thing as the Jamiir
Speaker 1: Gibbs argument, except it maybe even more valuable position. And
Speaker 1: so you could see Tyler Warren, especially in this class,
Speaker 1: going higher.
Speaker 2: It's it's my well, Warren two is a true in line.
Speaker 2: Why like he winds up all over his wildcat quarterbacks sometimes,
Speaker 2: but he can play in line. Dowers is a slot
Speaker 2: receiver slash tight end, while Warren is truly a tight end,
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's a difference as well.
Speaker 2: And this is a big philosophy I have with team building.
Speaker 2: That's why I even said it's I would go trenches first.
Speaker 2: I'm always big about how many plays you impact. And
Speaker 2: that's why I'm always a lit offensive line first, the
Speaker 2: edges first, before I get to receivers and corners and everything.
Speaker 2: Is because I think they like, if you're drafting a guard,
Speaker 2: oh man guard really, oh, he's on the field every
Speaker 2: single play and he's going to have something to do
Speaker 2: that like, it impacts the play eighty percent of the time,
Speaker 2: you know, seventy five percent of time. While if I
Speaker 2: draft a receiver in the top ten and we're a
Speaker 2: bad team, four plays that, you know, twelve plays tops,
Speaker 2: you know, like that that they truly can impact it early,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they learn other things that can help
Speaker 2: out their craft. So that's why I got like Warren
Speaker 2: in this type of draft class that doesn't have a
Speaker 2: ton of blue chippers. It's kind of more it's it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a big kind of eye of the beholder
Speaker 2: type draft. Just take them, you know, like it's BPA.
Speaker 2: He can play, he can stay on the field because
Speaker 2: he can block for forty plus snaps. And that's why
Speaker 2: I think it's like, all right, well, that's a difference
Speaker 2: tight end than a guy that might be receiving, only
Speaker 2: you know, a guy that's only out there for twenty
Speaker 2: five snaps or has to be hidden in the run game,
Speaker 2: Like those things really matter.
Speaker 1: Well or even more than a wide receiver. I present
Speaker 1: to you the Rob Gronkowski era Patriots. Not that you're
Speaker 1: gonna find Gronk probably in the draft, but you have
Speaker 1: a hard time telling me that there were many wide
Speaker 1: receivers more valuable on a down to down basis changing
Speaker 1: what the defenses had to do that than him, and
Speaker 1: that that's obviously the jury.
Speaker 2: He's another one. Afterwards, everybody wanted Gronk. Everybody. Oh, at
Speaker 2: least three coaches I've heard over the years now, even
Speaker 2: a conversation I've been a part of, have gone, well,
Speaker 2: he was my one. When we did our draft grades,
Speaker 2: there was one guy we had to go for each
Speaker 2: position that was the gold guy, and Gronk. We were
Speaker 2: trying to come up with a different grade because he
Speaker 2: was better than gold and was like, well, why didn't
Speaker 2: you draft him? Then?
Speaker 1: Back injuries? Also, he was mono syllabic, like I was
Speaker 1: there at his combined press conference. I never go to
Speaker 1: the players ones anymore. I don't stay that deep into
Speaker 1: the week. We actually haven't gone in a while, but
Speaker 1: I am going this year and I hope to see
Speaker 1: you there, Nate, and I'm excited for that. But I
Speaker 1: was there for Gronk's press conference and it was funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could barely, he could barely speaking of us.
Speaker 1: You're like, what is happening here? And they're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy at the back surgeries, But man, is he
Speaker 1: talented and good pick.
Speaker 2: I'm sad he was curious that he used from my
Speaker 2: jersey and PA and he went to Arizona. It was
Speaker 2: just you know, and if he probably asked him, he
Speaker 2: probably had a great official visit. So it's like warm,
Speaker 2: Who's warm?
Speaker 1: That's why I went to Tulane. Last player I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you about is someone you you wrote about
Speaker 1: that you liked a lot, and just his profile and
Speaker 1: what I've seen from him gets me excited. Do you
Speaker 1: think Jalen Walker goes maybe a little higher in this
Speaker 1: draft because of the Zach Bond impact. Is there any
Speaker 1: is there any Zach Bond similarities just in terms of
Speaker 1: maybe what he could do at the next level and
Speaker 1: is everyone going to be looking for their own Zach Bond.
Speaker 1: I feel like off ball linebackers are back to being
Speaker 1: cool again. Running We're going back to the eighties. Like
Speaker 1: off ball linebackers and running, We're back.
Speaker 2: I love this. We just need more full cage face masks.
Speaker 2: Maybe some microals it would be good.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I I love Jillan Walker. I think he's actually probably
Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the whole draft class.
Speaker 2: I put him in my top ten in mid mid season.
Speaker 2: Even before the season, I had him in my top twenty,
Speaker 2: and I was just kind of like, you know, all
Speaker 2: this guy does is make plays. And George is so
Speaker 2: annoying to watch, like as far as an evaluator, because
Speaker 2: they rotate their guys so much. They run like five
Speaker 2: hundred different fronts and it's just showing off. So they
Speaker 2: can go to coaching clinics and just go like, look
Speaker 2: at this play that we ran twice the entire year, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like they just love doing that. And so
Speaker 2: watching Walker, it's kind of like, all right, are you
Speaker 2: an edge? Are you off ball? Are you doing? I
Speaker 2: just want him in my front seven, and I think
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brob Zach Bond. That's a that's a
Speaker 2: great comparison. I mean, there's a whole bunch of these
Speaker 2: guys right now, vander Esh you know, you know, for
Speaker 2: the Vikings, what other Wisconsin badger's kind named Leo Chanel? Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just name a badger. But all these guys,
Speaker 2: Andrew van Gankl not late in vander Ash, my bad
Speaker 2: avg they all look the same, you know, yeah, right
Speaker 2: three three yeah, my bad there. But no, these guys,
Speaker 2: I think that's more of a we see a defensive
Speaker 2: lineman where it's like, oh, this guy's an offensive outside linebacker,
Speaker 2: but when we go to Nickel, they're a defensive end,
Speaker 2: which now we just call edge. And I think that
Speaker 2: the Bond thing. What you see is, oh, this guy's
Speaker 2: got past past rushing ability, so let's use him on
Speaker 2: simulated So let's use him on blitzes creepers. And you're
Speaker 2: just okay, we're still only rushing for but the guy
Speaker 2: that's got pass rushing. Chops is now rushing the passer
Speaker 2: against a guard and then now we're dropping one of
Speaker 2: those outside line But we see the Rams do this
Speaker 2: all the time, dropping one of those outside linebackers into
Speaker 2: coverage and you're just inverting the roles. So when you
Speaker 2: get a guy like Bond who actually has some coverage,
Speaker 2: Shops is good against the run, he's just it's kind
Speaker 2: of one of these guys. It's like, Oh, this is
Speaker 2: what you should have been the whole time. When they
Speaker 2: do come on these creepers and simulates and Blitzer, there's
Speaker 2: still a weapon everything. So I really like him With
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, that's been kind of my like, ooh, I
Speaker 2: like you there. But really, I mean, any creative defense
Speaker 2: that you can picture, I would like Walker on it.
Speaker 2: But again, like I said, when this type of draft
Speaker 2: class without true blue Chippers, he to me is a
Speaker 2: blue chipper. It's just I don't know what position he's at,
Speaker 2: so you know, but I just think he's one of
Speaker 2: the best players, a top ten player, so I think
Speaker 2: he should go high.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always, you know, get a little worried about
Speaker 1: those those type of guys. Isaiah Simmons, right, and uh,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. The Cardinals wouldn't know what to do with them.
Speaker 1: That your funky favorite tape Grinder's coaching staff, the Arizona Cardinals,
Speaker 1: they came through for you. Both you and Jordan were
Speaker 1: pretty excited about them coming into the season, and I know,
Speaker 1: well we're there. I mean, it wasn't It was up
Speaker 1: and down. But I think if you look at it
Speaker 1: the total view ultimately that they took a nice step
Speaker 1: forward for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did. It's you know, now I got I
Speaker 2: gotta study Kyler too. Kyler has becomes one of the
Speaker 2: most in you know, kind of an enigma as far
Speaker 2: as studying wise, because it's just like he's one game
Speaker 2: he looks I'm like, oh wow, Like, no wonder you
Speaker 2: were an MVP candidate that year and in some games
Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, what are you doing? Man? Like,
Speaker 2: So I maybe year three with this coaching staff's gonna
Speaker 2: be like another lead for which I'm excited about.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I am looking forward to
Speaker 1: the build up to the draft, the whole process. We
Speaker 1: got free agency coming up really the end of the
Speaker 1: conference championships. Even though I'm really excited for the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go to New Orleans in next week's
Speaker 1: going to be all about that. We're gonna have lots
Speaker 1: of great guests. I do feel like today, as we're
Speaker 1: taping this, it almost feels like the first day of
Speaker 1: the off season, because there's like there's literally one more
Speaker 1: game and they're they're doing. There's a whole as Ian
Speaker 1: Rappaport said on Twitter, there's a whole parallel NFL that
Speaker 1: is going on right now in Mobile and they have
Speaker 1: moved on to twenty twenty five. We're coming up on
Speaker 1: the week where Matthew Stafford and Kirk Cousins are both
Speaker 1: like quietly talking to other teams, and then next week
Speaker 1: is the week that they actually join those teams. So
Speaker 1: it is coming around the corner and we're going to
Speaker 1: be covering it all on NFL Daily. You stepped up
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Speaker 1: You're on Bomani Jones's show, all of it. You're writing
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Speaker 1: always really impressed Nate when you guys, you guys do
Speaker 1: a kind of an abbreviated recap show and you'll cover
Speaker 1: like a big game and you do it in like
Speaker 1: four minutes and then you just move on to the
Speaker 1: next game. I'm like, Wow, you can do that. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Good jobs. Why it's my own lack of hosting ability.
Speaker 1: No, it's really not.
Speaker 2: If you make a mistake, make it fast, just dould just.
Speaker 1: Get through it very well said it's like really key
Speaker 1: points and you'll move on. And so you you've killed it,
Speaker 1: and I'll continue to check it out and I'll continue
Speaker 1: to bug you during the whole draft process. That's it
Speaker 1: for today's show. Thank you, Nate. Play the music. Like
Speaker 1: I said, we will be back. It's a big show.
Speaker 1: It'll come out early Wednesday morning. We got Mina Chimes,
Speaker 1: we got Jordan Rodrieg, we got Colleen Wolf. We're going
Speaker 1: to go through all the coaching hirings and the coordinators,
Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff, the press conferences and yes,
Speaker 1: when we're talking senior ball, you know football is back.
Speaker 1: We'll see you Wednesday