WEBVTT - Jayden, Josh and NFL Draft Primer with Nate Tice 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always watching what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in dou Baal. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage and

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<v Speaker 1>really excited to be joined on this show by Nate

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<v Speaker 1>Tice of Yahoo Sports. You can check him out at

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<v Speaker 1>his great podcast Football three to oh one with our

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<v Speaker 1>friends Charles McDonald and Matt Harmon doing an awesome job

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<v Speaker 1>all season there. Good to have you back, Nate. I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking you actually were on our first week of shows,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had so much respect for your time. I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he is grinding over there. I feel bad asking you

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<v Speaker 1>in season, and then I heard you a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times killing it on Bomani Jones's show, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if he can do Bomani Jones's show, he can do

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<v Speaker 1>this show.

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<v Speaker 2>So welcome back, Nate. I'm always available. Thank you. First off,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always available for you, Greg. You know you got

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<v Speaker 2>to carry the g load around here because I'm zero

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<v Speaker 2>percent g you know, so yeah, you know. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why this is a great pairing. Whenever I'm with you, No,

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<v Speaker 2>but thank you again. Always have me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well we're starting to do the super Bowl bookings.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you'll be down in New Orleans, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it. Nate does a really good job recapping the league.

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<v Speaker 1>He does a good job previewing games, just getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the x's and o's, but also is a great draft mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I wanted to talk today, just switch

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<v Speaker 1>gears a little bit, do a little intro to this

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five draft, and talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the games on Sunday night. But first, when

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<v Speaker 1>you say sixty percent G, I was thinking we're doing

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<v Speaker 1>our bookings already for some of the Super Bowl appearances,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we're going to get Greg Olsen on,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm pretty excited about. But you know, I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>like it, I don't know if he's going to struggle

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<v Speaker 1>just confidence wise, being with someone that's sixty percent G

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<v Speaker 1>when he's only fifty. It's like it's tough for the

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<v Speaker 1>one G gregs to deal with sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're it's gra and G Regg.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Greg's got enough confidence. That's a great point, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, He's halfway there, but he was at least he

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<v Speaker 2>has flow to make up for it. That helps it

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<v Speaker 2>out out flow for days.

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<v Speaker 1>And since you mentioned it every so often, when the

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<v Speaker 1>G reg clip pops up on Twitter. There's so many

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<v Speaker 1>people that are like, I can't believe this ever happened,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's still all the young kids out there. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know. So if you don't know what we're

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<v Speaker 1>referring to, I believe the sixth floor crew. Look it up,

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<v Speaker 1>treat yourself, and get ready for that interview. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>about it. During super Bowl week, okay, I have a

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<v Speaker 1>theory Nate about like the championship games, okay, and about

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<v Speaker 1>reality TV in the Super Bowl too. I love Top Chef,

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<v Speaker 1>that's my favorite, but I would say it's true of

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<v Speaker 1>other reality shows. You spend the whole season building up

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<v Speaker 1>to this moment, and then there's like sixty seconds of

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<v Speaker 1>after the moment you find out who actually won to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it, and I kind of feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>happens with these big games too. I'm in such a

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<v Speaker 1>hurry to just move on to the next thing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I did think before we get to the draft today,

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<v Speaker 1>you've spent today grinding some film. I've been watching some

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and I thought, just a few final thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>in this game, maybe especially about the teams that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be talking about during the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>as well, and you're such a good quarterback whisper, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just guy to listen to about I want, I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>about your thoughts rewatching and seeing Jade and Daniels on film,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of isolating his play in this game specifically, and

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<v Speaker 1>then just thinking about kind of what he needs, where

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<v Speaker 1>he's going in year two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say just even this whole year, and

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<v Speaker 2>what you saw yesterday is yeshay, was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Jane Daniels in a while take a I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say bad sack, but a sack that

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<v Speaker 2>went free gardage. Maybe that's the best way. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say that as a compliment because one of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest hesitations I have with Jane Daniel's coming into

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL. So he takes a lot of sacks, He

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<v Speaker 2>scrambles a lot, He's not that big, and he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of hits. I don't know how that

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<v Speaker 2>holds up the fact that this season I can't recall

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<v Speaker 2>how many big hits quote unquote that he's taken. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he heard his ribs, but it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>freak hit that he got on that one. But I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say that as a compliment that Jane and Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>adapted to the NFL even more fluidly and better than

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<v Speaker 2>I could ever expected. I knew he would be more

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<v Speaker 2>pro ready and be a guy that could have to

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<v Speaker 2>find some good answers, and I thought that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it again yesterday against Fangio. Fangio was giving him

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<v Speaker 2>big Fangil defense Quarner for the Eagles was giving Jane

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels a lot of like, hey, take this, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>see if you can keep doing it. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>do on the first drive? Kept doing it. He just

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<v Speaker 2>kept taking the five yard gains, the seven yard gains,

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<v Speaker 2>the six yard gains. What we saw yesterday was the

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<v Speaker 2>limitations of this offense. They don't really generate a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of explosive plays outside the goballs, there isn't a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Terry caught the Yak touchdown, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>nice Terry McLaurin. But this offense outside of those go balls,

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<v Speaker 2>those haymakers we've seen throughout the year. The last time

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<v Speaker 2>these two teams played, two teams played, Terry Cott won

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals game against the Bullets. Jane Dalels hits the

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<v Speaker 2>one go ball in the end zone. Outside of that,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of explosives. So what that puts a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on the quarterback or quarterback is he has to

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<v Speaker 2>be precise four yards five yards at a time. That's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to do against a bunch of dudes. But as

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<v Speaker 2>probably the best defense in the NFL at least top three,

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<v Speaker 2>top five this year. And I thought so good with

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Daniels was he took those answers. You saw him

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<v Speaker 2>be accurate, so I'm not have a lot of negative plays.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't really put the ball in harm's way. There

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<v Speaker 2>was one deep ball early I did think he put

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<v Speaker 2>ball in Harm's way, and then the end he had

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<v Speaker 2>the interception, but the game was kind of out of

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<v Speaker 2>hand then. But then he took a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>simple answers, which is good. That's what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I always want to see him maybe push over the

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<v Speaker 2>middle a little bit. But again saw that yesterday, saw

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<v Speaker 2>the dig throw. He had a Diamie Brown that was

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<v Speaker 2>really nice. That's what I still want to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of is more of those inbreaking throws. The thing is

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<v Speaker 2>so far that hasn't limited his production limited his production

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<v Speaker 2>or of just me maybe seeing that next step because

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<v Speaker 2>he's an older quarterback and everything. But I'm watching him

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like he was the better quarterback on

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<v Speaker 2>the field I thought, even though just like overall, I

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<v Speaker 2>really did, because I just don't think he makes a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of mistakes, which is really good, on top of

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<v Speaker 2>being explosive with his legs, which is really good as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I still want to see a little more as

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<v Speaker 2>a thrower, maybe pushing the ball a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as constant efficiency, I think he's just

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good year and it's been a real,

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<v Speaker 2>i would say, pleasant surprise, but the fact he's been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do it consistently has been pretty remarkable but

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<v Speaker 2>really fun to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you liked him. I followed your draft coverage last year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you liked him, but you had him third, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe behind me. Yeah, I knew that for sure. And

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<v Speaker 1>the thing I was most impressed about in this game

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<v Speaker 1>and throughout was just like he would make mistakes and

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<v Speaker 1>he would not repeat the mistakes. I think he did

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<v Speaker 1>some things in the pros, which makes sense. You're totally

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<v Speaker 1>focused on at the coaching is better and you're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by better players. Although his teammates were pretty good in

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<v Speaker 1>college too, and he improved throughout the throughout the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the season, and man, I do wonder like year two,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if Cliff fell into bad habits because

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<v Speaker 1>there was another version of that game where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>your defense doesn't have to be that bad, your running

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<v Speaker 1>game outside of Jade Daniels doesn't have to be that bad,

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<v Speaker 1>your teammates don't have to fumble four times. There's another

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<v Speaker 1>version of that game where being a relatively efficient passer

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<v Speaker 1>wins you that game twenty three to twenty and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't really do much differently than they did. His teammates

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<v Speaker 1>just play a different game. So he was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in a spot where I don't know if it was

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<v Speaker 1>that was basically a no win scenario the way that

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<v Speaker 1>played out, where you hadn't done anything wrong and it

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<v Speaker 1>was fourteen to three through already losing the make the comeback,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm excited. Would you still take Drake May over

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<v Speaker 1>Jade and Daniels, knowing every based on all the film

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this year, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I still take May. May's numbers were really good this year.

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<v Speaker 2>No one just noticed.

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<v Speaker 1>There's undoing, just noticed were could be talking about oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I know under so that's not just like an eye test,

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<v Speaker 2>like oh, big arm, good athlete, all that stuff. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like the underlying metrics were good for me this year too,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes me even more like chest out about him.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess uh No, I think May is still the

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<v Speaker 2>prize of this draft, but I will say that Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm still not out on Caleb either. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb did a lot of nice things this year. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a tough situation. There are some concerns that maybe I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh okay, that maybe I waved that away,

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe I should have focused on a little more.

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<v Speaker 2>But he got a great coach for him, I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Daniels was closer than those two than

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I gave him credit for. And I also want

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<v Speaker 2>to say he's a little older, that's that's the one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's played a lot of games, a lot of football.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you can see that that's a compliment again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a double short. It's a compliment and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a you know, I don't say this, but kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a negative where it's like, Okay, is there more

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<v Speaker 2>for him to grow into or is this him the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of his career, which isn't the worst thing in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, is the answer to that, though it's not. It's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we get into this idea of like, Okay, he's

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<v Speaker 1>played a lot, he hasn't played at the NFL level,

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<v Speaker 1>He's still twenty four, Like we are seeing the best

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<v Speaker 1>version I think of Jared Goff right now now in

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<v Speaker 1>the end to see still play a little bit like

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Goff, Yes, but I still think he's like the

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<v Speaker 1>best version that he's ever been, And I would expect

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<v Speaker 1>that to happen with Jane Daniels. But that's interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>you stick with me. To me, the NFL tape should

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<v Speaker 1>be more important than anything you've seen before. So I

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<v Speaker 1>would certainly put him ahead of Caleb. Now I'm biased,

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<v Speaker 1>though I would still take me ahead of him too,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, but I would have moved I would move

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<v Speaker 1>Jade in ahead because I've just seen enough at this

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<v Speaker 1>level that some of the stuff you can't even see

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<v Speaker 1>on tape are so obviously huge positives and are good

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<v Speaker 1>indicators of a great career, like what he's done in

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<v Speaker 1>that building that like you believe that he can improve

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<v Speaker 1>all the on the field stuff in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>like it's it's tough even for me to say May

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<v Speaker 1>over Daniels now, but since you did it, you're giving

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<v Speaker 1>me the the guts to this too.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I bring up the age thing is that is

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<v Speaker 2>it five percent more growth from him ten percent or

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<v Speaker 2>where I think? And again these are just odd you're

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<v Speaker 2>betting on, you know, or is it May has more

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<v Speaker 2>room because he was with the terrible coaches last year

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<v Speaker 2>in North Carolina, hasn't been taught anything. Is there more

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<v Speaker 2>to tap into here as opposed to Daniels. His last

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<v Speaker 2>year was with Den Brock and Brian Kelly and the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that have like really coached football. So that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the one why like a May or even

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<v Speaker 2>a Caleb, it's like there's more to tap into here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think Daniens and Caleb are much more Though

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there's a difference stream of most prospects, now

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<v Speaker 2>they're obviously much more equal or Daniels I'm leading to,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, the NFL tap stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I also wanted to talk a little bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>Bills game. I was glad when I saw a number

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<v Speaker 1>that helped confirm just my vibes that I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on our recap show, which was the Bills

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<v Speaker 1>felt lucky to be in that game that compared to

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<v Speaker 1>some other games between them, certainly the twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>Divisional Round game. Like it's like, yes, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>liked to see the Bills win, that's my bias. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also was like, you know, the Chiefs had one

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest success rates that they've had, like passing

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<v Speaker 1>the ball in a game this year, they had a

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<v Speaker 1>way higher success rate than the Bills. The Bills fell

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<v Speaker 1>on six fumbles out of six. Josh was a little

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place in a way that for Strung

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<v Speaker 1>was part of how his season ended, which I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like the season ended maybe weeks thirteen on really starting

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<v Speaker 1>with that Lions game, which was a great high, and

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<v Speaker 1>then onward it was it was a little up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>and that performance was up and down. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they I felt like the best team on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday one, which I always liked to feel as a

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<v Speaker 1>as a fan. I did see you talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about that fourth down and you're former quarterback and

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<v Speaker 1>the condensed formation and spags, you know, throwing the blitz

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<v Speaker 1>at him and wondering what Josh should have done, And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought something was interesting today that came out from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the offensive linemen who spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Dunn for his sub stack, where you know, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been showing that look to them all game and

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<v Speaker 1>they kept not coming and they basically saved that for

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<v Speaker 1>that moment. Basically they save to actually go and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the protection slid a certain way and why it

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately hit so much. What was kind of your view

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of how Josh Allen handled that, handled that

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<v Speaker 1>and then the offensive line and everything else in that play.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of funny is that one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>areas of growth for Josh Allen has been the mental

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<v Speaker 2>side and obviously the accuracy and all that, but like

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<v Speaker 2>he's really been. He's one of the best quarterbacks pre

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<v Speaker 2>staff right now, which I think would maybe surprise some people.

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<v Speaker 2>But he handles as much as the guys that we

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<v Speaker 2>consider the sheriffs and everything, Like he changes protections, he

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<v Speaker 2>changes like who else Dak the Borrow, I guess would

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<v Speaker 2>be up there. That's usually the guys that you can well.

0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Burrow probably gets the most praise for it, and he

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<v Speaker 2>does do it. That's why he's great. But Dak is

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<v Speaker 2>another one. But I say, Josh is up there, Mahomes

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<v Speaker 2>is up there. Of course Mahomes calls freaking Mahomes is

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<v Speaker 2>calling the fronts out as he's doing the cadence, which

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<v Speaker 2>is so absurd to me. But that's what he's bored

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<v Speaker 2>during the regular season. He wants new challenges, you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell Mahomes does. So. Yeah, I know we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Alan and stuff, but those guys are remarkable. Lamar has

0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.320
<v Speaker 2>gotten so much better at it too. But no, those

0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.000
<v Speaker 2>guys are really good. But anyways, that last play, it

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<v Speaker 2>was interesting to me and hearing that that, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was a science turrets that said that that they

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<v Speaker 2>were showing. They didn't they showed that look with then

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<v Speaker 2>bring the blitz and then Spags puts heat on making

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<v Speaker 2>you do the hard thing on the last play of

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<v Speaker 2>the game or the big the high variance plays of

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<v Speaker 2>the games. If you remember last year's Super Bowl, the

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<v Speaker 2>one where Trent McDuffie puts off the off the slot,

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<v Speaker 2>that was another one where it kind of hadn't shown it.

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<v Speaker 2>What happens in a lot of those gutta have it

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<v Speaker 2>situations is you know off its coordinators get a little cute.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there was a five man protection with Khalil

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<v Speaker 2>Shakir in the backfield. Okay, they know he's not past protecting.

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<v Speaker 2>And then last year in that Super Bowl, George Kittle's

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<v Speaker 2>in the backfield, they sent a kind of a it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that exotic, but fairly exotic blitz. George Kittle is

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<v Speaker 2>a great blocker, He's not a running back that could

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<v Speaker 2>trained and pass protection. And it's not just the physical side,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the mental side to pick up what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>He just doesn't have the training. So like Spags would

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<v Speaker 2>on that last play, the Bills offensive line sliding left

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what they've gotten the whole time, and on

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<v Speaker 2>it they should be sliding right. But if they slid

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<v Speaker 2>right on it and just kind of like too long,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't read version is the little leap of faith. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really going like a you know, if we do this

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<v Speaker 2>and we're wrong, we're guaranteeing that Chris Jones might be unblocked,

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<v Speaker 2>or the defensive end that ended up dropping might be unblocked.

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<v Speaker 2>But if we're right, we wad this up and we

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<v Speaker 2>have all the time in the world, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's going to kill them if Chris Jones is unblocked

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<v Speaker 1>and the biggest play of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. But that's what Spags makes you heare and I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you Josh Allen and the Senator McGovern have done

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<v Speaker 2>that look before and have adjusted it. And I actually

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<v Speaker 2>know they have because I have a clip against Todd

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<v Speaker 2>Bowles that I tweeted out from this year. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>where he is sliding the protection into that type of

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<v Speaker 2>blitz to a corner blitz. It's just that once fourth

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<v Speaker 2>down on the road, gotta have it. Am I going

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<v Speaker 2>to do the five oh one level thing? Or am

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<v Speaker 2>I gonna just do one on one? Snap the ball

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<v Speaker 2>and out, I'm gonna play. And that's what That's what

0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Spags does. He dares you to do it. And Alan,

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<v Speaker 2>who is so mentally sharp now, and the offensive line,

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<v Speaker 2>they were just dead in the water because even if

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<v Speaker 2>they did slide it right, say four guys, which is

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<v Speaker 2>probably what they would have done, the corner McDuffie would

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<v Speaker 2>have been free anyways, just because of a number count.

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<v Speaker 2>If they got the perfect answer, which is sliding all five,

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<v Speaker 2>which you can't do. That is again a such an

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<v Speaker 2>exotic answer. To an exotic question that it's like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the advanced level test, that's the PhD level and the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest play of the year. So it's just that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they do. That's the stresses of those blitzeres. And on

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<v Speaker 2>top of it, the play before they ran cover zero

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<v Speaker 2>and they try to throw a screen against it, which

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<v Speaker 2>actually was a good call. Mary Cooper becomes a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a body catcher when he's stressed, so he

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<v Speaker 2>caught it, takes a second, slit slips a little, and

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<v Speaker 2>then George Carloffin's mad a nice play and retraced on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I get with Joe Brady and the Bills

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to do. Bills were trying to do trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get everybody out knowing that it might be a blitz.

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<v Speaker 2>You either want to get everybody out, all five guys

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<v Speaker 2>and have five guys protecting, or you want all seven

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<v Speaker 2>in and then then we really block it up. But

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<v Speaker 2>then if you got all seven in the day, don't blitz.

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<v Speaker 2>You're wasting blockers. So again, this is the conundrum of specs,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's why he puts you know, makes offenses

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<v Speaker 2>look foolish like this or have makes breakdowns turn into

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<v Speaker 2>giant discussions about everything in awful announcing articles written about

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<v Speaker 2>your path. Oh my gosh, oh man, that is I

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<v Speaker 2>get why. I guess that's a hard answer what he

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to say, But holy crap, what's everyone doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you coming at him?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think it's just it's such a complicated sport.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why I fell in love with the sport really

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<v Speaker 1>when I started to cover it, like I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it takes a few years to realize

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<v Speaker 1>how little you know. And I'm always amazed by there

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<v Speaker 1>are people that cover it their whole lives. They still

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<v Speaker 1>don't realize how little they know. At least I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>at least I realize how little I know. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this five oz one level stuff, and I

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<v Speaker 1>find it all fascinating. And the sport works at every

0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.280
<v Speaker 1>single level you can you can simplify it, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't also simplify it. To the fact that they have

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Spagnolo, who is a one of the best defensive

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<v Speaker 1>play of callers literally of all time. That to me, now,

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<v Speaker 1>the resume he is putting up is getting up there

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<v Speaker 1>with Belichick and one of the reasons he's getting to

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<v Speaker 1>that level is because he sort of has the luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not his choice, but it's the luxury. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing. He doesn't have to worry about running the

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<v Speaker 1>team while calling the plays and the resume he is

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<v Speaker 1>putting up year after year. The Rams talked about the

0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.320
<v Speaker 1>weight bearing walls of Cooper Cup and Aaron Donald and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the chiefs weight bearing walls include Steve Spagnolo.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's either three guys or four guys. It's mahomes

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<v Speaker 1>read in Spagnolo, or it's mahomes read Spagnolo. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>throw in Chris Jones just because the resume that he's

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<v Speaker 1>put up at over this longest stretches just incredible. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you can understand all of that, and uh, then

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<v Speaker 1>a guy like our friend Ben, you know, makes a

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable point on it, and but someone sees a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a little bit of weakness that and uh,

0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.879
<v Speaker 1>they attack because no one wants to be told that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't understand the game, and they don'tant especially by

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<v Speaker 1>someone that's like my size or Ben size.

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<v Speaker 2>And works at it. He actually like knows ball. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what's Oh yes, I just I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>some of the guys, it's like, hey, keep the same

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<v Speaker 2>energy when some of your former NFL p a right.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the point how much guys swear this spout out

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<v Speaker 2>some bolt then and that don't even do the work, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I keep that same energy for that, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I just want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's it right there, because Ben understands it on

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper level than I do. And obviously not as

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper level as like NFL coaches and in players

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<v Speaker 1>in all that stuff, but you and I know in

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<v Speaker 1>the media, like the half the ex players are barely

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.800
<v Speaker 1>paying attention and don't really know all that much anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them know it at a level

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't possibly fathom. But there's a spectrum, and

0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.040
<v Speaker 1>some of the people with the biggest you know, outlets

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<v Speaker 1>and regular jobs like are following at the least, so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to go too crazy with respect.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, it's just like every field, it's a spectrum.

0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Like some are actually those geniuses, they're incredible and do

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<v Speaker 2>all that. And I'll say this about it's not every player.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these players though, and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>the ones of the media, but a lot of players aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I turn on the game, I watch play one

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<v Speaker 2>to play sixty, and I watch every single play through

0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.080
<v Speaker 2>on film on All twenty two. I had a coach

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<v Speaker 2>make me a seven play cut up. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>coach make me a twelve play cut up. I had

0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 2>my coach make me a five play cut up. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what that was, quote unquote film watching for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys, not everybody quarterbacks. Obviously, it did a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, some guys, yes, they watch every play,

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.520
<v Speaker 2>they're chunky about it, but some, you know, they just

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<v Speaker 2>watched some cutups, and some to even watch that. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of funny for me to like really put

0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:07.959
<v Speaker 2>their chest down and yelled about it. So but no,

0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Chris Jones, I loved your you quote tweeted me about

0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I think he had a crazy he had seven pressures

0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:15.440
<v Speaker 2>in the first half, and I think you said he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably put up the resumes, maybe the best playoff defender

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<v Speaker 2>of all time or something that's sort I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think it was like this. I think I said this

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<v Speaker 1>century yeah, just like and it was more like the

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<v Speaker 1>total resume. How we measure. Tom Brady was ultimately about

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<v Speaker 1>the longevity of it all, Like obviously Hearon Donald is

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<v Speaker 1>another level, or even Lawrence Tate, Like they're a different level,

0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I would say than Chris Jones. But because he's always

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<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs, like the resume he has put up

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<v Speaker 1>now and the amount of playoff appearances and how many

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.719
<v Speaker 1>games he's literally changed the outcome of I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who else would be there over the

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<v Speaker 1>last twenty five years. I don't think anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like him. Like twenty fifteen, von Miller was a hot,

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<v Speaker 2>a hot year and this year that's what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I mean, one single season.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll get a couple of games every year like this

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<v Speaker 1>done to high Tower, had a ton of moments like

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<v Speaker 1>he would be my Patriots straight Ty Law was incredible

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of playoffs, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Troy Brown when he played Nickel for you guys,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a one of them. I'm a Mariano Rivera,

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<v Speaker 2>that's another playoff playoff.

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<v Speaker 1>Perform says what this is now? What six straight you

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<v Speaker 1>know playoffs?

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<v Speaker 2>Seven six years? Yeah, changing von Mellwer had the rams

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<v Speaker 2>here too, so he's another one Aaron Donald, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>just because he's Aaron Donald. But that that's I I

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<v Speaker 2>because I was a great I loved you tweeted that

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<v Speaker 2>and actually I meant to talk about it on our

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<v Speaker 2>pod because I wanted it, but I always go along

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<v Speaker 2>if you guys can't tell. And I started kind of

0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>really just thinking on it, and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the answer though, because I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think of someone in the early yachts and I

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't. No one kind of came to mind. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was just because I wasn't focused on Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>defense as much and they're you know, Eagles defenders, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Ronde Barber, you know, like it's you know, for the box,

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<v Speaker 2>like but that was only a couple in the early yachts.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's it's you even think about. Like like

0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.399
<v Speaker 1>last year was like his pressure kind of did the

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.080
<v Speaker 1>game in the AFC playoffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Really pushed Dawkins back right right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many where it's just like you can if

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<v Speaker 1>you really look into it, he completely changed the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I went longer on this part of the show than

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<v Speaker 1>I expected, but that's just what we do. You did

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<v Speaker 1>perk up for a second, and I'm going to leave

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<v Speaker 1>this Bills section with this, and I'm sorry to our

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<v Speaker 1>producer Eric, who's a diehard Bills fan here, but I

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<v Speaker 1>rewatching it. It did strike me that the end of

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.680
<v Speaker 1>allen season was a little weird. He had more turnover

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<v Speaker 1>worth he plays. According to PFF, in this game, I

0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>counted up than the last ten weeks combined, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not what you want. And you go back to his season. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about I'm trying to go through the games,

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<v Speaker 1>like there was the Patriots game, which was a really

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<v Speaker 1>weird game. The first time around, he did not play

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<v Speaker 1>well in that game. They almost lost that game. Then

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:58.800
<v Speaker 1>he bounced back, he played well against the Jets to

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<v Speaker 1>end the regular season, and he comes in plays well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, against the Broncos, and then last week like

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<v Speaker 1>he was barely there in a way that it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>his fault, but also like didn't happen all season, and

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, what is going on here? Like

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Josh Allen was such such a small part of this game,

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and then this game was a little weird. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a little bit of an up and down

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<v Speaker 1>after after what had been an incredible possibly MVP season

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<v Speaker 1>just ended on.

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<v Speaker 2>A weird note. I mean, shoot to was it early

0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 2>December when he had those games against the Rams and

0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the Lions. It was like, oh my god, like this

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>is this is We're not going to see this. This

0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 2>is He wrapped the MVP up right there. But it

0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.560
<v Speaker 2>felt like in these playoff games, at least last week

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<v Speaker 2>and this week, it almost was like we're watching Allen

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<v Speaker 2>from a few years ago. Out early Allen where it

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.400
<v Speaker 2>was like his biggest highlights or his best plays were

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the big arm throws and him as a runner, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>except for the QB sneaks and that, Yeah that was incredible.

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, like props to the Chiefs defense. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's where he almost evolved into that.

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.239
<v Speaker 2>That first drive was worried something. If I were watching it, Like,

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I know, Alan can be streaky early, he kind of

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>always settles in. He's a guy that needs a lot

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>of quarterbacks are like this, or not a lot, but

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 2>a chunk more than you would think. They need to

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<v Speaker 2>get hit once and then they kind of just go okay,

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm good, like all right, I got kind of I

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 2>need to I got. It was a little a little

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 2>wild there all right now, you kind of get slapped

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and he's kind of like that. And

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I could tell he was kind of a little juiced

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<v Speaker 2>up early, which kind of reminds me more old Allen.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is allan of this year and

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<v Speaker 2>really of last year or two, because I think this

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>year was a continuation of it has turned into such

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 2>an all everything quarterback. Now let's say the big arm

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 2>plays and throwing far and the crazy plays out of

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.679
<v Speaker 2>pocket where he's one yard from the sideline, But like

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 2>his instructure stuff and his accuracy that first month of

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 2>the season was tremendous until they ran into the Ravens,

0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, and then the Texans game is really wonky.

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<v Speaker 2>But his ment I already talked about the mental sign

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of the blitz side that's very real. And then also

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>just the act she stuff that work from the pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>like he deserves to be up there. I consider one

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of the elite guys. It's just that sometimes in these

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 2>moments he kind of devolves into his I don't want

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to say less herself, but more of his ID, you know,

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 2>like he yeah, you know, he listens to his ID.

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess I do you even listen to your id,

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 2>but I guess it.

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<v Speaker 1>Works sometimes too. He has the touchdown drive to tie

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.399
<v Speaker 1>up the AFC Championship game when he absolutely has to

0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>have it in part because of that it and he

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<v Speaker 1>made it. He made a ton of plays. I'm not

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:32.399
<v Speaker 1>trying to say he played, oh, because he made a

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>ton of plays. I mean he's making it happen with

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Matt Collins and and you're right, the team, the teammates

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>make a big deal Rewatching that Amari Cooper play hurt

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.520
<v Speaker 1>me today because I was thinking, like, oh, man, like

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Shakir makes that first down, I think, right there on

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that screen, he makes the guy miss and it's too.

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Bad Collins with a What a beautiful dunk? Though, that

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 2>was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Trusting Matt Collins in a big spot pays off. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets truff We're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>come back, and we're going to talk about the draft

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>before we do that, though, I do not want to

0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>forget to talk about a show that's coming up next Monday. Nate,

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna be able to make it. I don't

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>think you're in Las Vegas, but it's in Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hosted by our friend Mina chimes all the proceeds

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<v Speaker 1>to it are going to fire relief. Thankfully, we got

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a ton of rain over the last twenty four hours

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 1>in Los Angeles, which just like never have I've been

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 1>so excited to just see rainfall. First of all, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been like eight months, which is crazy, or ten months,

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know last time was. But there's a lot

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>of recovering that still needs to happen here in Los Angeles,

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:46.400
<v Speaker 1>and every ticket sold to this benefit is going directly

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to fire disaster relief. And so Mina's hosting it, but

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 1>I will be there. Jordan rod Rieg of The Athletic

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and of NFL Daily, and I heed the call. She

0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 1>will be there, some other hosts from the Ringer, the

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 1>guys that do the watch who are great. I think

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>she'll have some other special guests that she's working at.

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<v Speaker 1>It's at the Belasco Theater. It's in Los Angeles. I

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>try not to ask our listeners for much, but if

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>you're in the LA area and you think you like

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the show, please come out again. It's downtown. It's really cool.

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>They got a beautiful theater. So I'm going to be

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 1>mentioning it all week and we will have Mina on

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the show tomorrow. Actually, we're going to go over all

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 1>the coaching hires and everything that's been going on there,

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about the benefit a little bit. Yes,

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to mention that before we take a break,

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about the

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Senior Bowl and the NFL Draft back on NFL Daily

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, Nate, you mentioned the shotty shots. We could

0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>spend a while on that, Yeah, but instead we're going

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 1>to break down all the press conferences. There was four

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>on Monday. We're going to break that down on our

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>next show. But Brian Schottenheimer Liam Cohen with with a

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>very awkward moment. The reference I started the show with, let's.

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Listen, Jacksonville, the community do all, how do we do

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 2>this together?

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:33.119
<v Speaker 1>I was watching that and I'm thinking, like, that's the

0:28:33.160 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>biting kneecaps moment of this coaching cycle. Just the facial

0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>it was something about the eyes. There was something about

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>As I watched it, though I felt better. I mean,

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just a press conference. It's awkward. He

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>might have felt a little defensive because of everything that

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>that happened there. And by the end I was like this,

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:55.479
<v Speaker 1>this is a good.

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Mean he said, she said he's sick, She's sick. Thing

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>that we going on most.

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>It was a lot going on, but yes, we'll hit

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 1>all the coaching stuff on Wednesday show. Are you excited

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>though about the Schottenheimer era? Quickly?

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's a big shrug, which I think is just

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>what I think everybody's reaction to it. I don't know, man, people,

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 2>I try to ask him a question. He started talking

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>about Barry Switzer and it was just like, oh, oh boy,

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 2>oh boy. Strap in the Lilliam Cohen thing reminds me

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>of Brett Bielman went to Arkansas. He was my coach

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>at Wisconsin and they did the Wu Pig suie and

0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>you could tell he thought he just had to do

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>it once, and they did it like three or four times,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>and you could tell he's like, we're doing it again.

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>We're doing it again. So that's what that reminds me.

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 1>All it was like you got prepped by the pr guy,

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>but right before it started to say it and it

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>was the first time doing it and it didn't quite track.

0:29:48.360 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>But good luck. I want to see good quarterback talent

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>play well. And we'll get into that more on the

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>next show, but I think Liam Cohen is a good

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>one for Trevor Lawrence. Let's stock quarterbacks to start about

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this twenty t twenty five draft. I preface this by

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>telling our listeners I'm a basic when it comes to

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the draft. I'm excited that we have this daily format,

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and I don't do a lot of draft stuff until

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>now because I'm just in it. I don't have the

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>brain power that Nate Tyst does to do a big board.

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>In the middle of October, I went and found and all, yeah,

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're on four point zero of your mock draft,

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're grinding through these guys. I am excited

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to go to school and kind of hopefully the listeners

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.280
<v Speaker 1>will be on this journey with me as we kind

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of learn about this draft class in particular, and this

0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>is really the start of it. So I just thought

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it'd be fun to have one of my favorite draft

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>minds out there, Nate you on because it's Senior Bowl

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>week and we don't have to be too locked into

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>everything that's going to happen at Senior Bowl Week. We're

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>also gonna talk about at the end of the week

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>how it went down. But when you look at this

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>class overall, like not as much sizzle maybe up top

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>because of the quarterbacks, but still an intriguing class. Like

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>how would you evaluate like the overall class, like in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of top shelf town oh to and like where

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>it's strongest that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, overall with the quarterbacks, I'll start there, not not

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>not a great quarterback class overall with at the top

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and depth, I would say cam Ward is my number

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 2>one guy, and then you know, Shadar Sanders right now

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>is two, but it's not I don't have a true

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 2>true first round grade on him. It's more of like

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>a you know, it's that next tier where I would

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe slot him in, but then after that it's kind

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>of I mean, even with Shuder and cam Ward is

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of dealer's choice. It's your flavor that you like.

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm bullish on a guy Riley Leonard from Notre Dame.

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I like a lot of his traits. But the thing

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>is that's bullish in the sense of like third round,

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, sneak into the first. There's guys like

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Milroe from Alabama, who's a good athlete measured in

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>today at the Senior Bowl with very small hands a

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>picket sized, which is always concerning, but very good athlete

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 2>really improved this year. I mean the Neckler size or

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the eight eight and a half or eight and three

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>quarters eight and three course Eighten.

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<v Speaker 1>Love, I love that you had like an actual answer

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 1>for that. Just Tom Brady hit Austin Eckler with the

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>small hands when he fumbled on Sundays. I don't know

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>if you check out. I got that in the broadcast.

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, damn Tom, that was tough. Uh at

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the bottle jig spot and you got Tom Brady talking

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>about your small hands, Okay. Jalen Mill wrote, Yeah, he's

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>at the Senior Bowl and the rest of the rest

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>of the.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Class of the Cress. It's just kind of you know again,

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 2>it's flavors. Jackson Dart from Ole miss has got some

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 2>hype right now. He's also at the Senior Bowl. I

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>look at him as an early Day three guy right now.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you have to die back in, but it's a

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of those. It's a lot of early Day three types.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>That's like, oh, I can maybe see him in the

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 2>third as opposed to sneaking him up in the first.

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>To me, cam Ward is the one only one I

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>trust from Miami is the only one I would like

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 2>feel okay taking in the top fifteen, and I'm sure

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>he might even go top five. But other than that,

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 2>like outside quarterback, it's a really good running back class,

0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 2>really really good at the top and depth wise. Every round,

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:22.120
<v Speaker 2>every type, big guys, small guys. Ashon Genty from Boise State,

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>it's going to get the most hype. He's incredible, Heisman finalist.

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I have a top ten grade on him, and I

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 2>feel good about it. If he can go anywhere in

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the first round, I totally get it. Then you got

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>shoot it's going from there. You got from Caleb Johnson

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>from Iowa. You have the o Higo State running backs,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>tre David Harr's or Trevion Henderson, who's a really fun guy.

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I think you're gonna really like him because he's really

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 2>good in pass protection. He's really fast, like he's like

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a pro.

0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean like Mike Mike Scoutings is watching the NFL,

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, National Championship being like, oh wow, these guys, okay,

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>they really are they really are going high because they

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of look like the guy exactly would go high.

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, sorry, at least for now, No, it's good

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>at the quarterbacks because Milroe and Dart are at the

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Sooner Bowl, and so so's Riley Leonard. I know you

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>liked Riley Leonard a lot at Duke. Maybe he had

0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 1>like a bit of a disappointing year. Milroe seems like

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>he's so physically talented that some team's gonna love him, right, Yeah,

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 1>but huge, You, for instance, were huge on Anthony richards

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and I know they're completely different quarterbacks, but they both

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 1>had elite traits and our special runners, or at least

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you can tell me. Maybe Milroe is not a special

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>runner if you don't think so, but it has special speed.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Certainly, he's a very good athlete. You can you can fly,

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>He's an excellent athlete. Yeah. The Richardson comparisons keep coming in,

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 2>but Richardson still has these three inches tall or thirty

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>pounds heavier and probably runs the same forty and has

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 2>a better more lie, I think he's better. I know

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>what this is crazy to say. Richardson's feel in the

0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.279
<v Speaker 2>pocket and everything is way better than Milroe. Even though

0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Milroe has improved and everything this year, Richardson always had that.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>That's why I was always so bullish on him still am.

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's very young. And I was kind of

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 1>kind to ask you about that because maybe that's why

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you thought it made sense with the traits that Richardson

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>could go that high because I was with you. He

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.720
<v Speaker 1>was so good at avoiding sacks, so good I feel

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>in the pocket, and even going through his reads sometimes like,

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>is Milroe a guy you think in this in the

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 1>lead up to the draft could do enough that he

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of gets in that mix because from the outside,

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>not knowing enough, he just seems like that guy that's like, Okay,

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>you guys can tell me that he's not a first

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>round pick now, but he's the guy that usually by

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the end of the process gets pushed up pretty high.

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>And do you think he he should?

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Basically I don't think he should, but I think he will.

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I think his best case is like a justin fields,

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, like that's more how I picture him than

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Richardson. Not really saying the top quarterbacks right now,

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>but that's kind of how I picture him more of.

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 2>And so to me, he's more of a day to

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>dart throw than a guy I would bump up even

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 2>in the first round. And I know people want to

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 2>make the contract stuff and everything. As soon as you

0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 2>put the first round great or one dash twenty four

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.239
<v Speaker 2>next to a quarterback, he's on the field, you know,

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>So I'd much rather take that Dart throw on Day two,

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 2>I would say the the Bama coaches got I mean,

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>they were whoever took that job after save and was

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 2>gonna be underheat no matter what. I thought. They did

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>a really good job of streamlined thing, stream aligning things

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.879
<v Speaker 2>for Milroe in the sense of like, all right, one

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 2>to go, one go, And I thought he there's the

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>old coaching adage, if you make a mistake, make it fast.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I think Milroe was doing that much better this year.

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted him to stay another year or figure it

0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>out how to do it. But he's entering the draft,

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 2>so we'll see.

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he'll be in Mobile, so he'll get a

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of attention. Yep, this week. Jackson Dart's a guy

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 1>who you know, played in a wonky offense a little

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.759
<v Speaker 1>bit at Ole miss bombs away that people that are

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>fans of teams that need quarterbacks this offseason and are

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:17.319
<v Speaker 1>just annoyed that they weren't in the draft last year,

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they're looking at this free agent class,

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm just like adding up the teams and there's

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 1>just not many good options possibly out there. I think

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Matthew Stafford's probably the bell of the ball because I

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>think there's going to be a sense that he's available

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see. But then there's Darnold and it's a

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it's rusts and fields. After that, it's it's it's pretty

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>slim pickings, and it's slim pickings in the draft. And

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>yet there's only there's about seven teams that are going

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to be looking at quarterbacks in the draft. And so man,

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 1>some of those fan bases are out there, they're talking

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 1>themselves into like Jackson Dart could be our dude, what

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>do you think, like what are his pluses and minuses?

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>And if there's like a quarterback maybe that that is

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 1>there and mobile that you think might have like a

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>week there to keep an eye on.

0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with Dart, it's he has tools, he has trades.

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>He put up production as a runner and thrower. The

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>thing with that Lane Kiff and offensive Ole Miss, it's

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.319
<v Speaker 2>a money play offense. And so it's like I watched

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Matt Carral just do the exact same thing a couple

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>of years ago. I feel like I'm having the conversation

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>all over again. But the with with him with Dart

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.240
<v Speaker 2>is that I don't know his feeling. I've never gotten

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>there with his feel for the playing the position. I

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 2>think he does throw a nice ball, and I do

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 2>think he can make some nice plays. It always just

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.759
<v Speaker 2>a hairs late to me, like you know, okay, there's

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 2>it's open, Okay, now there's the throw, as opposed to

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>anticipating the throw. I've also just seen endgame situations where

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 2>he's not even making the right read and maybe it's

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>like stress stresses him out, which scares me with a guy,

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:55.359
<v Speaker 2>especially if you're saying first round, he might have a week,

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>this might this is the perfect type of week. He

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>also has to show that he can grasp a win

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 2>kiff and as a quote unquote NFL offense. But it's

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 2>more about terminology. But like as far as the depth

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>of the playbook is probably not there at Old Miss,

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>and I maybe want to see him like how quickly

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>he grasps his stuff, how quickly he can do one

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>to two to three as opposed to like it's a

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of one and done. Because Mike keff It goes

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>this MF is gonna be wide open. You better throw it,

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, as opposed to like, okay, you got to

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.040
<v Speaker 2>progress through this. So I have hesitations with him. I

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.880
<v Speaker 2>see him getting a lot of hype too. But again,

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>like I you guys, stick to what the grade is,

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.880
<v Speaker 2>not like oh there's somebody who's got to rise up.

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:34.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like no, no, no. If you have a bunch

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of third fourth round grades, that means they're third fourth rounders.

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean they have to get bumped up just because

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>they're QB three or QB four by default. So he's one.

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of always teppering. And I would say, again,

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Leonard is the guy that maybe has a good week,

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.760
<v Speaker 2>but I think he's banged up after that college football

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>playoff he waited.

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 1>It was like a week ago. It is crazy that.

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 2>He weighed two ten today, so he's probably worn down.

0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he's like two twenty five normally, so.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Brutal to go. I mean immediately from the National Championship

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>into the Senior Bowl, into the entire draft process into

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>your NFL season. It already seems kind of like a

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:15.279
<v Speaker 1>brutal process. But uh, for him and Will how you know,

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 1>who knows will who is also there? Who? Who do

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>you think the highest drafted player there is in Mobile

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>potentially some options? Shamar Stewart is there? Who?

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, an edge.

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Player, armand Mambou. I believed from Missouri. I couldn't believe.

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I've been following it enough that I was surprised when

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>my my friend of me, Daniel Jeremiah put him eleventh

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>in his mock draft. So that's that's a tackle from

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Missouri that maybe is rising late.

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Charles had him in our first round and people got

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 2>mad at us, and all of a sudden, DJ bumps

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.759
<v Speaker 2>him up the top eleven and everyone's like, oh, yeah, yeah,

0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 2>I gotta check him out. That's okay. I am going

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>to the Chiefs at like thirty or whatever it was

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:04.560
<v Speaker 2>that week, and everyone freaked the f out on us.

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It shows you're onto something and this happens. Like Jeremiah,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't. He doesn't throw that in there in a

0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 1>vacuum because it's a mock. It's not his top it's

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>not his top fifty. He hasn't released that yet. It's

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>him talking to the rest of the league and being like, Hey,

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna make me look smart in April because

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>this dude is going to be the dude and I

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and I kind of showed that I knew my stuff

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>so exactly.

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 2>It No, there's there's there's so much some real good

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>offensive lineman there. Josh Connolly from Oregon and boo, you

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>just brought up and why am I there's another tackle

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.800
<v Speaker 2>that might be a guard and for some reason I

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>don't have it written down right now in front of me.

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh and then they got Jonah Slavinia from Arizona, who's

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 2>a guard that might sneak into the first round. A

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Wyatt Milliam from uh he's a tackle from West Virginia.

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 2>I think he's a guard. But it's actually pretty it's

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>an interesting offensive line class. Like there is offense line depth,

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just not those there's no freaky tackles like I

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 2>really like Will Campbell from Elsi. He's not at the

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Senior Bowl, but people are like, oh, he's a guard.

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I think he can stick out the tackle. But it's

0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:11.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of actually want the Patriots to draft him,

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 2>by the way, but I think the the this offensive

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>line class in the tackles, it's a lot of like

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>is he a guarter? Is he a tackle? Is he

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>good enough? He's a good athlete. Is he strong enough? Oh,

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 2>he's strong enough. There's a lot of just tweeter types.

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 2>That's like, this guy's a starter. I just don't know

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>which position he's starting at and if he's like a

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Pro Bowl starter or just a solid starter. But I

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 2>think it's just it's a really gonna be a big

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 2>time either beholder offensive line class, and I think someone

0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna hit, like people are going to find

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 2>some Pro bowlers in this class. I really do think

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that like late like late first, early second types. But

0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 2>he's just got to be the right fit for all

0:42:48.320 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>these guys.

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>But maybe not one to be looking desperately for a

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>tackle at number four overall just because it's so deep.

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can go to a different position there. I

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.920
<v Speaker 1>will I will be sad if Travis Hunter is like

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>as exciting in the pros as he is, that they

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that they won that stupid game against the Bills backups

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>because they were if they were one and overall, would

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you if you had the first overall pick and you

0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>were let's say, like the Patriots, you didn't need a

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 1>quarterback but can basically use someone anywhere else where, would

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you go?

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, first off, I would try to convince everybody that

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 2>cam Ward's the greatest quarterback they've ever seen in their life.

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>First, yeah, I would go man because this is really

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:38.439
<v Speaker 2>hard to because it's not I would go off into

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 2>line because I just do. I would go Trenches. That's

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 2>my first answer. And to me, it's like, all right,

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>as Dual Carter is it Will Campbell and Carter I

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 2>think is a better player. I don't think he's as generation.

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.879
<v Speaker 2>People are thrown out generational with him. It's like, come my, guys, chill,

0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 2>but he's a very good prospect. And I think it's like,

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>do the Patriots need that?

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Do they forget? Even forget even Patriots think of it

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 1>as a as a generic team because yes, the new

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>GM makes the comment that they don't want to pass

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>on a generational talent at one kind of indicating I'm

0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>not kidding, Hey, we're not going to just take a

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 1>quarterback just just to take it, and everyone is like,

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>he must mean Travis Hunter, and then everyone else is like, no,

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>actually he means Abdull Carter, the interior rusher.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm always Trenches first, So I would put I

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.600
<v Speaker 2>have Travis Hunter as one on my board. So that's

0:44:26.640 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 2>what's hard. That's what's hard too. He if you're going

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.600
<v Speaker 2>best player, we do not care the position. It's truly

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>bp A. I would say Travis Hunter. But if I admit,

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>where do you play him?

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>What does he do?

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Corner? He's a corner, and I think he's a but

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 2>he's a special corner, like he has top you know,

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 2>all Pro first team every year type up side. He's

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:47.439
<v Speaker 2>not that big too, like size wise. That's the only

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 2>thing about playing both ways in the NFL I'm a

0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 2>little scared about. I think he's a corner full time

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 2>and a receiver four that you play for eight to

0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>twelve plays a game, and I just think that's what

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 2>they try to use my Colorado. He is so raw

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 2>as a receiver. I feel like you only knows a

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 2>quarter of the playbook, which I understand. Playing both sides

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>is really hard full time physically and mentally. I think

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:09.839
<v Speaker 2>it only gets harder in the NFL. So you keep

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.879
<v Speaker 2>that package real small and then keep the let them

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 2>just be dominant a corner. I thought of the guard

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 2>by ways, Marcus Minbau from Purdue, who I like as well.

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 2>That's the other guys.

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, And then like when Carter.

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.959
<v Speaker 2>Is the if I'm if I'm going trenches is Abdual Carter,

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.120
<v Speaker 2>you know. So it's like, okay from Penn State.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So like, where else do you think like the draft

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>is is weak and and most strong? Because because I

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>cut you off, you said the running backs deep throughout

0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 1>great at the top wide receiver doesn't seem like it's

0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:48.120
<v Speaker 1>as flashy a class as the last few. It's okay,

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 1>where where do you think the class is at its best?

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Tight End is the other position running back and tight

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>ends where my eyes go. And then defensive line, defensive tackle,

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>and edge, you know, like those are probably the three

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 2>top spots, like starting on offense, like Marge brought some

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>of the running backs, but tight end wise, I see

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 2>at least two going in the first round and like that,

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 2>and I wouldn't be shocked if maybe another guy sneaks

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in there. But like Tower Warren from Penn State is

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 2>a freak, it could looks like a three down Why

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that's also explosive. I've seen Kittle comparisons. That's pretty extreme

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 2>to me. But it's it's not like like totally out

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of the park, you know, like you know, out of

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>whack to like compare Kittle to that, which is that

0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 2>that's but that's the high high, high end upside. I

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 2>think DJ had him in the top ten.

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>DJ had him going seventh, which I was like, is

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 1>that the is that the brock Bawers effect, not that

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 1>he's brock Bowers or even you know, the same player.

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's funny because you look at last year's draft

0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 1>and all that, you know, supposedly the Rams want to

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>trade up for brock Power. Everyone wanted brock Bowers. It

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like Mahomes back in the day after

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that everyone, although I think it was credible,

0:46:57.239 --> 0:46:59.440
<v Speaker 1>they really did want brock Powers. And you look at

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.439
<v Speaker 1>it and the Raiders kind of settled for him because

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 1>they didn't get a quarterback and thought, wow, that's high

0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 1>for a tight end. And now you think, like, no,

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that's not too high for a tight end anyone. That's

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a difference maker. It's the same thing as the Jamiir

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Gibbs argument, except it maybe even more valuable position. And

0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.280
<v Speaker 1>so you could see Tyler Warren, especially in this class,

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 1>going higher.

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 2>It's it's my well, Warren two is a true in line.

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Why like he winds up all over his wildcat quarterbacks sometimes,

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>but he can play in line. Dowers is a slot

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>receiver slash tight end, while Warren is truly a tight end,

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think that's a difference as well.

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 2>And this is a big philosophy I have with team building.

0:47:36.040 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>That's why I even said it's I would go trenches first.

0:47:39.239 --> 0:47:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm always big about how many plays you impact. And

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm always a lit offensive line first, the

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>edges first, before I get to receivers and corners and everything.

0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Is because I think they like, if you're drafting a guard,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 2>oh man guard really, oh, he's on the field every

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 2>single play and he's going to have something to do

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:01.439
<v Speaker 2>that like, it impacts the play eighty percent of the time,

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, seventy five percent of time. While if I

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 2>draft a receiver in the top ten and we're a

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>bad team, four plays that, you know, twelve plays tops,

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, like that that they truly can impact it early,

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe they learn other things that can help

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.240
<v Speaker 2>out their craft. So that's why I got like Warren

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.640
<v Speaker 2>in this type of draft class that doesn't have a

0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.239
<v Speaker 2>ton of blue chippers. It's kind of more it's it's

0:48:22.320 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a big kind of eye of the beholder

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:27.320
<v Speaker 2>type draft. Just take them, you know, like it's BPA.

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 2>He can play, he can stay on the field because

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.040
<v Speaker 2>he can block for forty plus snaps. And that's why

0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, all right, well, that's a difference

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.880
<v Speaker 2>tight end than a guy that might be receiving, only

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:38.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, a guy that's only out there for twenty

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 2>five snaps or has to be hidden in the run game,

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Like those things really matter.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Well or even more than a wide receiver. I present

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to you the Rob Gronkowski era Patriots. Not that you're

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna find Gronk probably in the draft, but you have

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>a hard time telling me that there were many wide

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.320
<v Speaker 1>receivers more valuable on a down to down basis changing

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>what the defenses had to do that than him, and

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that that's obviously the jury.

0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>He's another one. Afterwards, everybody wanted Gronk. Everybody. Oh, at

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>least three coaches I've heard over the years now, even

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>a conversation I've been a part of, have gone, well,

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:14.400
<v Speaker 2>he was my one. When we did our draft grades,

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:15.879
<v Speaker 2>there was one guy we had to go for each

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>position that was the gold guy, and Gronk. We were

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to come up with a different grade because he

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.319
<v Speaker 2>was better than gold and was like, well, why didn't

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>you draft him? Then?

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Back injuries? Also, he was mono syllabic, like I was

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 1>there at his combined press conference. I never go to

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 1>the players ones anymore. I don't stay that deep into

0:49:35.320 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the week. We actually haven't gone in a while, but

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I am going this year and I hope to see

0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 1>you there, Nate, and I'm excited for that. But I

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.640
<v Speaker 1>was there for Gronk's press conference and it was funny.

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he could barely, he could barely speaking of us.

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 1>You're like, what is happening here? And they're just like, yeah,

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 1>this guy at the back surgeries, But man, is he

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>talented and good pick.

0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sad he was curious that he used from my

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 2>jersey and PA and he went to Arizona. It was

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 2>just you know, and if he probably asked him, he

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>probably had a great official visit. So it's like warm,

0:50:06.680 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Who's warm?

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.319
<v Speaker 1>That's why I went to Tulane. Last player I'm going

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to ask you about is someone you you wrote about

0:50:12.520 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that you liked a lot, and just his profile and

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:19.520
<v Speaker 1>what I've seen from him gets me excited. Do you

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:24.839
<v Speaker 1>think Jalen Walker goes maybe a little higher in this

0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>draft because of the Zach Bond impact. Is there any

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.359
<v Speaker 1>is there any Zach Bond similarities just in terms of

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe what he could do at the next level and

0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.839
<v Speaker 1>is everyone going to be looking for their own Zach Bond.

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like off ball linebackers are back to being

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 1>cool again. Running We're going back to the eighties. Like

0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:45.880
<v Speaker 1>off ball linebackers and running, We're back.

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I love this. We just need more full cage face masks.

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe some microals it would be good.

0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:52.279
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I I love Jillan Walker. I think he's actually probably

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite players in the whole draft class.

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.160
<v Speaker 2>I put him in my top ten in mid mid season.

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Even before the season, I had him in my top twenty,

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 2>and I was just kind of like, you know, all

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.040
<v Speaker 2>this guy does is make plays. And George is so

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.600
<v Speaker 2>annoying to watch, like as far as an evaluator, because

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.560
<v Speaker 2>they rotate their guys so much. They run like five

0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:15.319
<v Speaker 2>hundred different fronts and it's just showing off. So they

0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:17.399
<v Speaker 2>can go to coaching clinics and just go like, look

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.040
<v Speaker 2>at this play that we ran twice the entire year, like,

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:22.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they just love doing that. And so

0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 2>watching Walker, it's kind of like, all right, are you

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.400
<v Speaker 2>an edge? Are you off ball? Are you doing? I

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.319
<v Speaker 2>just want him in my front seven, and I think

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you brob Zach Bond. That's a that's a

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 2>great comparison. I mean, there's a whole bunch of these

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.200
<v Speaker 2>guys right now, vander Esh you know, you know, for

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the Vikings, what other Wisconsin badger's kind named Leo Chanel? Uh,

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:45.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, just name a badger. But all these guys,

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Andrew van Gankl not late in vander Ash, my bad

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.080
<v Speaker 2>avg they all look the same, you know, yeah, right

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 2>three three yeah, my bad there. But no, these guys,

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's more of a we see a defensive

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>lineman where it's like, oh, this guy's an offensive outside linebacker,

0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 2>but when we go to Nickel, they're a defensive end,

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>which now we just call edge. And I think that

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the Bond thing. What you see is, oh, this guy's

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>got past past rushing ability, so let's use him on

0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:20.960
<v Speaker 2>simulated So let's use him on blitzes creepers. And you're

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>just okay, we're still only rushing for but the guy

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 2>that's got pass rushing. Chops is now rushing the passer

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 2>against a guard and then now we're dropping one of

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.279
<v Speaker 2>those outside line But we see the Rams do this

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 2>all the time, dropping one of those outside linebackers into

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 2>coverage and you're just inverting the roles. So when you

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>get a guy like Bond who actually has some coverage,

0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Shops is good against the run, he's just it's kind

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.840
<v Speaker 2>of one of these guys. It's like, Oh, this is

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 2>what you should have been the whole time. When they

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.359
<v Speaker 2>do come on these creepers and simulates and Blitzer, there's

0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 2>still a weapon everything. So I really like him With

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:52.759
<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals, that's been kind of my like, ooh, I

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:56.240
<v Speaker 2>like you there. But really, I mean, any creative defense

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 2>that you can picture, I would like Walker on it.

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>But again, like I said, when this type of draft

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 2>class without true blue Chippers, he to me is a

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 2>blue chipper. It's just I don't know what position he's at,

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 2>so you know, but I just think he's one of

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>the best players, a top ten player, so I think

0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 2>he should go high.

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I always, you know, get a little worried about

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>those those type of guys. Isaiah Simmons, right, and uh,

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals. The Cardinals wouldn't know what to do with them.

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<v Speaker 1>That your funky favorite tape Grinder's coaching staff, the Arizona Cardinals,

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<v Speaker 1>they came through for you. Both you and Jordan were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty excited about them coming into the season, and I know,

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<v Speaker 1>well we're there. I mean, it wasn't It was up

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<v Speaker 1>and down. But I think if you look at it

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<v Speaker 1>the total view ultimately that they took a nice step

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<v Speaker 1>forward for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did. It's you know, now I got I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta study Kyler too. Kyler has becomes one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most in you know, kind of an enigma as far

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<v Speaker 2>as studying wise, because it's just like he's one game

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<v Speaker 2>he looks I'm like, oh wow, Like, no wonder you

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<v Speaker 2>were an MVP candidate that year and in some games

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh man, what are you doing? Man? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>So I maybe year three with this coaching staff's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be like another lead for which I'm excited about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to it. I am looking forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the build up to the draft, the whole process. We

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<v Speaker 1>got free agency coming up really the end of the

0:54:15.080 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>conference championships. Even though I'm really excited for the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to go to New Orleans in next week's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be all about that. We're gonna have lots

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<v Speaker 1>of great guests. I do feel like today, as we're

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<v Speaker 1>taping this, it almost feels like the first day of

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<v Speaker 1>the off season, because there's like there's literally one more

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<v Speaker 1>game and they're they're doing. There's a whole as Ian

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<v Speaker 1>Rappaport said on Twitter, there's a whole parallel NFL that

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<v Speaker 1>is going on right now in Mobile and they have

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to twenty twenty five. We're coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>the week where Matthew Stafford and Kirk Cousins are both

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<v Speaker 1>like quietly talking to other teams, and then next week

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.759
<v Speaker 1>is the week that they actually join those teams. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is coming around the corner and we're going to

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 1>be covering it all on NFL Daily. You stepped up

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:03.080
<v Speaker 1>in a big way twice this year. You did it

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<v Speaker 1>Football three oh one. You got your own show, you

0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>were on NFL Network on Good Morning Football, here and there,

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.640
<v Speaker 1>You're on Bomani Jones's show, all of it. You're writing

0:55:12.680 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot, you're a draft expert. I really recommend everyone

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:18.000
<v Speaker 1>go check out Football three oh one and subscribe. I'm

0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>always really impressed Nate when you guys, you guys do

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of an abbreviated recap show and you'll cover

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<v Speaker 1>like a big game and you do it in like

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<v Speaker 1>four minutes and then you just move on to the

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<v Speaker 1>next game. I'm like, Wow, you can do that. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Good jobs. Why it's my own lack of hosting ability.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's really not.

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<v Speaker 2>If you make a mistake, make it fast, just dould just.

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<v Speaker 1>Get through it very well said it's like really key

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<v Speaker 1>points and you'll move on. And so you you've killed it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll continue to check it out and I'll continue

0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to bug you during the whole draft process. That's it

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<v Speaker 1>for today's show. Thank you, Nate. Play the music. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we will be back. It's a big show.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll come out early Wednesday morning. We got Mina Chimes,

0:56:03.920 --> 0:56:06.840
<v Speaker 1>we got Jordan Rodrieg, we got Colleen Wolf. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go through all the coaching hirings and the coordinators,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of weird stuff, the press conferences and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking senior ball, you know football is back.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you Wednesday