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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always watching what's happening

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Speaker 1: in dou Baal. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage and

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Speaker 1: really excited to be joined on this show by Nate

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Speaker 1: Tice of Yahoo Sports. You can check him out at

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Speaker 1: his great podcast Football three to oh one with our

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Speaker 1: friends Charles McDonald and Matt Harmon doing an awesome job

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Speaker 1: all season there. Good to have you back, Nate. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking you actually were on our first week of shows,

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Speaker 1: and I had so much respect for your time. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: he is grinding over there. I feel bad asking you

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Speaker 1: in season, and then I heard you a couple of

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Speaker 1: times killing it on Bomani Jones's show, and I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: if he can do Bomani Jones's show, he can do

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Speaker 1: this show.

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Speaker 2: So welcome back, Nate. I'm always available. Thank you. First off,

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Speaker 2: I'm always available for you, Greg. You know you got

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Speaker 2: to carry the g load around here because I'm zero

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Speaker 2: why this is a great pairing. Whenever I'm with you, No,

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Speaker 2: but thank you again. Always have me.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well we're starting to do the super Bowl bookings.

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Speaker 1: I know you'll be down in New Orleans, and I

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Speaker 1: mean it. Nate does a really good job recapping the league.

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Speaker 1: He does a good job previewing games, just getting into

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Speaker 1: the x's and o's, but also is a great draft mind.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to talk today, just switch

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Speaker 1: gears a little bit, do a little intro to this

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five draft, and talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: you know, the games on Sunday night. But first, when

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Speaker 1: you say sixty percent G, I was thinking we're doing

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Speaker 1: our bookings already for some of the Super Bowl appearances,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're going to get Greg Olsen on,

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Speaker 1: which I'm pretty excited about. But you know, I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: like it, I don't know if he's going to struggle

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Speaker 1: just confidence wise, being with someone that's sixty percent G

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Speaker 1: when he's only fifty. It's like it's tough for the

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Speaker 1: one G gregs to deal with sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're it's gra and G Regg.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Greg's got enough confidence. That's a great point, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, He's halfway there, but he was at least he

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Speaker 2: has flow to make up for it. That helps it

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Speaker 2: out out flow for days.

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Speaker 1: And since you mentioned it every so often, when the

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Speaker 1: G reg clip pops up on Twitter. There's so many

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Speaker 1: people that are like, I can't believe this ever happened,

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Speaker 1: because there's still all the young kids out there. They

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Speaker 1: don't even know. So if you don't know what we're

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Speaker 1: referring to, I believe the sixth floor crew. Look it up,

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Speaker 1: treat yourself, and get ready for that interview. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about it. During super Bowl week, okay, I have a

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Speaker 1: theory Nate about like the championship games, okay, and about

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Speaker 1: reality TV in the Super Bowl too. I love Top Chef,

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Speaker 1: that's my favorite, but I would say it's true of

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Speaker 1: other reality shows. You spend the whole season building up

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Speaker 1: to this moment, and then there's like sixty seconds of

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Speaker 1: after the moment you find out who actually won to

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Speaker 1: hurry to just move on to the next thing. So

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Speaker 1: I did think before we get to the draft today,

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Speaker 1: you've spent today grinding some film. I've been watching some

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Speaker 1: as well, and I thought, just a few final thoughts

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Speaker 1: as well, and you're such a good quarterback whisper, you know,

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Speaker 1: just guy to listen to about I want, I'm curious

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Speaker 1: about your thoughts rewatching and seeing Jade and Daniels on film,

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Speaker 1: he's going in year two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say just even this whole year, and

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Speaker 2: what you saw yesterday is yeshay, was the first time

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Speaker 2: I've seen Jane Daniels in a while take a I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say bad sack, but a sack that

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Speaker 2: went free gardage. Maybe that's the best way. And I

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Speaker 2: want to say that as a compliment because one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest hesitations I have with Jane Daniel's coming into

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Speaker 2: how many big hits quote unquote that he's taken. Yes,

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say that as a compliment that Jane and Daniels

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Speaker 2: saw it again yesterday against Fangio. Fangio was giving him

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Speaker 2: see if you can keep doing it. What do you

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Speaker 2: kept taking the five yard gains, the seven yard gains,

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Speaker 2: limitations of this offense. They don't really generate a lot

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Speaker 2: You know, Terry caught the Yak touchdown, which is really

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Speaker 2: nice Terry McLaurin. But this offense outside of those go balls,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals game against the Bullets. Jane Dalels hits the

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Speaker 2: one go ball in the end zone. Outside of that,

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Speaker 2: not a lot of explosives. So what that puts a

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Speaker 2: hard to do against a bunch of dudes. But as

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Speaker 2: He doesn't really put the ball in harm's way. There

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Speaker 2: was one deep ball early I did think he put

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Speaker 2: the interception, but the game was kind of out of

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Speaker 2: simple answers, which is good. That's what you want to do.

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Speaker 2: so far that hasn't limited his production limited his production

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Speaker 2: But as far as constant efficiency, I think he's just

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Speaker 2: i would say, pleasant surprise, but the fact he's been

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you liked him. I followed your draft coverage last year,

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Speaker 1: and you liked him, but you had him third, I

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Speaker 1: the thing I was most impressed about in this game

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Speaker 1: some things in the pros, which makes sense. You're totally

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Speaker 1: by better players. Although his teammates were pretty good in

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Cliff fell into bad habits because

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Speaker 1: game outside of Jade Daniels doesn't have to be that bad,

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Speaker 1: don't really do much differently than they did. His teammates

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Speaker 1: was fourteen to three through already losing the make the comeback,

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Speaker 1: but I'm excited. Would you still take Drake May over

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Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels, knowing every based on all the film

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Speaker 2: I still take May. May's numbers were really good this year.

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Speaker 2: No one just noticed.

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Speaker 1: There's undoing, just noticed were could be talking about oh.

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Speaker 2: I know under so that's not just like an eye test,

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Speaker 2: like the underlying metrics were good for me this year too,

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Speaker 2: I guess uh No, I think May is still the

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Speaker 2: and I'm still not out on Caleb either. I think

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Speaker 2: Caleb did a lot of nice things this year. It's

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Speaker 2: a tough situation. There are some concerns that maybe I

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Speaker 2: But he got a great coach for him, I do think.

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Speaker 2: But I think Daniels was closer than those two than

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Speaker 2: maybe I gave him credit for. And I also want

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Speaker 2: to say he's a little older, that's that's the one thing.

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Speaker 2: He's played a lot of games, a lot of football.

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Speaker 2: And then you can see that that's a compliment again,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a double short. It's a compliment and kind

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Speaker 2: of a you know, I don't say this, but kind

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Speaker 2: of a negative where it's like, Okay, is there more

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Speaker 2: for him to grow into or is this him the

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Speaker 2: rest of his career, which isn't the worst thing in

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Speaker 2: the world, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, is the answer to that, though it's not. It's not.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we get into this idea of like, Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: played a lot, he hasn't played at the NFL level,

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Speaker 1: He's still twenty four, Like we are seeing the best

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff, Yes, but I still think he's like the

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Speaker 1: best version that he's ever been, And I would expect

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Speaker 1: that to happen with Jane Daniels. But that's interesting that

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Speaker 1: you stick with me. To me, the NFL tape should

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Speaker 1: be more important than anything you've seen before. So I

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Speaker 1: would certainly put him ahead of Caleb. Now I'm biased,

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Speaker 1: though I would still take me ahead of him too,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, but I would have moved I would move

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Speaker 1: Jade in ahead because I've just seen enough at this

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Speaker 1: level that some of the stuff you can't even see

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Speaker 1: on tape are so obviously huge positives and are good

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Speaker 1: indicators of a great career, like what he's done in

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Speaker 1: that building that like you believe that he can improve

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Speaker 1: all the on the field stuff in a way that

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Speaker 1: like it's it's tough even for me to say May

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Speaker 1: over Daniels now, but since you did it, you're giving

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Speaker 1: me the the guts to this too.

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Speaker 2: watched some cutups, and some to even watch that. So

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Speaker 2: it's kind of funny for me to like really put

431
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Speaker 2: their chest down and yelled about it. So but no,

432
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Speaker 2: Chris Jones, I loved your you quote tweeted me about

433
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Speaker 2: I think he had a crazy he had seven pressures

434
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Speaker 2: in the first half, and I think you said he's

435
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Speaker 2: probably put up the resumes, maybe the best playoff defender

436
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Speaker 2: of all time or something that's sort I don't want

437
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Speaker 2: to I.

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Speaker 1: Think it was like this. I think I said this

439
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Speaker 1: century yeah, just like and it was more like the

440
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Speaker 1: total resume. How we measure. Tom Brady was ultimately about

441
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Speaker 1: the longevity of it all, Like obviously Hearon Donald is

442
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Speaker 1: another level, or even Lawrence Tate, Like they're a different level,

443
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Speaker 1: I would say than Chris Jones. But because he's always

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs, like the resume he has put up

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Speaker 1: now and the amount of playoff appearances and how many

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Speaker 1: games he's literally changed the outcome of I don't know,

447
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Speaker 1: I don't know who else would be there over the

448
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Speaker 1: last twenty five years. I don't think anyone.

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Speaker 2: It's like him. Like twenty fifteen, von Miller was a hot,

450
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Speaker 2: a hot year and this year that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But that's what I mean, one single season.

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Speaker 1: He'll get a couple of games every year like this

453
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Speaker 1: done to high Tower, had a ton of moments like

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Speaker 1: he would be my Patriots straight Ty Law was incredible

455
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Speaker 1: for a couple of playoffs, but.

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Speaker 2: Not Troy Brown when he played Nickel for you guys,

457
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Speaker 2: that was a one of them. I'm a Mariano Rivera,

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Speaker 2: that's another playoff playoff.

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Speaker 1: Perform says what this is now? What six straight you

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Speaker 1: know playoffs?

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Speaker 2: Seven six years? Yeah, changing von Mellwer had the rams

462
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Speaker 2: here too, so he's another one Aaron Donald, of course,

463
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Speaker 2: just because he's Aaron Donald. But that that's I I

464
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Speaker 2: because I was a great I loved you tweeted that

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Speaker 2: and actually I meant to talk about it on our

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Speaker 2: pod because I wanted it, but I always go along

467
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Speaker 2: if you guys can't tell. And I started kind of

468
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Speaker 2: really just thinking on it, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 2: I think that's the answer though, because I was trying

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Speaker 2: to think of someone in the early yachts and I

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Speaker 2: just couldn't. No one kind of came to mind. And

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Speaker 2: maybe it was just because I wasn't focused on Patriots

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Speaker 2: defense as much and they're you know, Eagles defenders, maybe

474
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Speaker 2: Ronde Barber, you know, like it's you know, for the box,

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Speaker 2: like but that was only a couple in the early yachts.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's it's you even think about. Like like

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Speaker 1: last year was like his pressure kind of did the

478
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Speaker 1: game in the AFC playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Really pushed Dawkins back right right.

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Speaker 1: There's so many where it's just like you can if

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Speaker 1: you really look into it, he completely changed the game.

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Speaker 1: I went longer on this part of the show than

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Speaker 1: I expected, but that's just what we do. You did

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Speaker 1: perk up for a second, and I'm going to leave

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Speaker 1: this Bills section with this, and I'm sorry to our

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Speaker 1: producer Eric, who's a diehard Bills fan here, but I

487
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Speaker 1: rewatching it. It did strike me that the end of

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Speaker 1: allen season was a little weird. He had more turnover

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Speaker 1: worth he plays. According to PFF, in this game, I

490
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Speaker 1: counted up than the last ten weeks combined, which is

491
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Speaker 1: not what you want. And you go back to his season. Actually,

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Speaker 1: if you think about I'm trying to go through the games,

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Speaker 1: like there was the Patriots game, which was a really

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Speaker 1: weird game. The first time around, he did not play

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Speaker 1: well in that game. They almost lost that game. Then

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Speaker 1: he bounced back, he played well against the Jets to

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Speaker 1: end the regular season, and he comes in plays well,

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Speaker 1: you know, against the Broncos, and then last week like

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Speaker 1: he was barely there in a way that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: his fault, but also like didn't happen all season, and

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Speaker 1: I was just like, what is going on here? Like

502
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen was such such a small part of this game,

503
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Speaker 1: and then this game was a little weird. So it's

504
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Speaker 1: just like a little bit of an up and down

505
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Speaker 1: after after what had been an incredible possibly MVP season

506
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Speaker 1: just ended on.

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Speaker 2: A weird note. I mean, shoot to was it early

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Speaker 2: December when he had those games against the Rams and

509
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Speaker 2: the Lions. It was like, oh my god, like this

510
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Speaker 2: is this is We're not going to see this. This

511
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Speaker 2: is He wrapped the MVP up right there. But it

512
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Speaker 2: felt like in these playoff games, at least last week

513
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Speaker 2: and this week, it almost was like we're watching Allen

514
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Speaker 2: from a few years ago. Out early Allen where it

515
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Speaker 2: was like his biggest highlights or his best plays were

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Speaker 2: the big arm throws and him as a runner, you know,

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Speaker 2: except for the QB sneaks and that, Yeah that was incredible.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, like props to the Chiefs defense. But anyway,

519
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Speaker 2: but I think that's where he almost evolved into that.

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Speaker 2: That first drive was worried something. If I were watching it, Like,

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Speaker 2: I know, Alan can be streaky early, he kind of

522
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Speaker 2: always settles in. He's a guy that needs a lot

523
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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks are like this, or not a lot, but

524
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Speaker 2: a chunk more than you would think. They need to

525
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Speaker 2: get hit once and then they kind of just go okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm good, like all right, I got kind of I

527
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Speaker 2: need to I got. It was a little a little

528
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Speaker 2: wild there all right now, you kind of get slapped

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and he's kind of like that. And

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Speaker 2: I could tell he was kind of a little juiced

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Speaker 2: up early, which kind of reminds me more old Allen.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is is allan of this year and

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Speaker 2: really of last year or two, because I think this

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Speaker 2: year was a continuation of it has turned into such

535
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Speaker 2: an all everything quarterback. Now let's say the big arm

536
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Speaker 2: plays and throwing far and the crazy plays out of

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Speaker 2: pocket where he's one yard from the sideline, But like

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Speaker 2: his instructure stuff and his accuracy that first month of

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Speaker 2: the season was tremendous until they ran into the Ravens,

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Speaker 2: I think, and then the Texans game is really wonky.

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Speaker 2: But his ment I already talked about the mental sign

542
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Speaker 2: of the blitz side that's very real. And then also

543
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Speaker 2: just the act she stuff that work from the pocket,

544
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Speaker 2: like he deserves to be up there. I consider one

545
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Speaker 2: of the elite guys. It's just that sometimes in these

546
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Speaker 2: moments he kind of devolves into his I don't want

547
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Speaker 2: to say less herself, but more of his ID, you know,

548
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Speaker 2: like he yeah, you know, he listens to his ID.

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Speaker 2: I guess I do you even listen to your id,

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Speaker 2: but I guess it.

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Speaker 1: Works sometimes too. He has the touchdown drive to tie

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Speaker 1: up the AFC Championship game when he absolutely has to

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Speaker 1: have it in part because of that it and he

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Speaker 1: made it. He made a ton of plays. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to say he played, oh, because he made a

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Speaker 1: ton of plays. I mean he's making it happen with

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Speaker 1: Matt Collins and and you're right, the team, the teammates

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Speaker 1: make a big deal Rewatching that Amari Cooper play hurt

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Speaker 1: me today because I was thinking, like, oh, man, like

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Speaker 1: Shakir makes that first down, I think, right there on

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Speaker 1: that screen, he makes the guy miss and it's too.

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Speaker 2: Bad Collins with a What a beautiful dunk? Though, that

563
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Speaker 2: was pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: Trusting Matt Collins in a big spot pays off. It

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Speaker 1: gets truff We're gonna take a quick break, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: come back, and we're going to talk about the draft

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Speaker 1: before we do that, though, I do not want to

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Speaker 1: forget to talk about a show that's coming up next Monday. Nate,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to make it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you're in Las Vegas, but it's in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: It's hosted by our friend Mina chimes all the proceeds

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Speaker 1: to it are going to fire relief. Thankfully, we got

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Speaker 1: a ton of rain over the last twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, which just like never have I've been

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Speaker 1: so excited to just see rainfall. First of all, it's

576
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Speaker 1: been like eight months, which is crazy, or ten months,

577
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Speaker 1: I don't know last time was. But there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of recovering that still needs to happen here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: and every ticket sold to this benefit is going directly

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Speaker 1: to fire disaster relief. And so Mina's hosting it, but

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Speaker 1: I will be there. Jordan rod Rieg of The Athletic

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Speaker 1: and of NFL Daily, and I heed the call. She

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Speaker 1: will be there, some other hosts from the Ringer, the

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Speaker 1: guys that do the watch who are great. I think

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Speaker 1: she'll have some other special guests that she's working at.

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Speaker 1: It's at the Belasco Theater. It's in Los Angeles. I

587
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Speaker 1: try not to ask our listeners for much, but if

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Speaker 1: you're in the LA area and you think you like

589
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Speaker 1: the show, please come out again. It's downtown. It's really cool.

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Speaker 1: They got a beautiful theater. So I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: mentioning it all week and we will have Mina on

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow. Actually, we're going to go over all

593
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Speaker 1: the coaching hires and everything that's been going on there,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about the benefit a little bit. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to mention that before we take a break,

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Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and the NFL Draft back on NFL Daily

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Nate, you mentioned the shotty shots. We could

599
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Speaker 1: spend a while on that, Yeah, but instead we're going

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Speaker 1: to break down all the press conferences. There was four

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Speaker 1: on Monday. We're going to break that down on our

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Speaker 1: next show. But Brian Schottenheimer Liam Cohen with with a

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Speaker 1: very awkward moment. The reference I started the show with, let's.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Jacksonville, the community do all, how do we do

605
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Speaker 2: this together?

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Speaker 1: I was watching that and I'm thinking, like, that's the

607
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Speaker 1: biting kneecaps moment of this coaching cycle. Just the facial

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Speaker 1: it was something about the eyes. There was something about

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Speaker 1: As I watched it, though I felt better. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just a press conference. It's awkward. He

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Speaker 1: might have felt a little defensive because of everything that

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Speaker 1: that happened there. And by the end I was like this,

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Speaker 1: this is a good.

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Speaker 2: Mean he said, she said he's sick, She's sick. Thing

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Speaker 2: that we going on most.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot going on, but yes, we'll hit

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Speaker 1: all the coaching stuff on Wednesday show. Are you excited

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Speaker 1: though about the Schottenheimer era? Quickly?

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's a big shrug, which I think is just

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Speaker 2: what I think everybody's reaction to it. I don't know, man, people,

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Speaker 2: I try to ask him a question. He started talking

622
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Speaker 2: about Barry Switzer and it was just like, oh, oh boy,

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Speaker 2: oh boy. Strap in the Lilliam Cohen thing reminds me

624
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Speaker 2: of Brett Bielman went to Arkansas. He was my coach

625
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Speaker 2: at Wisconsin and they did the Wu Pig suie and

626
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Speaker 2: you could tell he thought he just had to do

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Speaker 2: it once, and they did it like three or four times,

628
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Speaker 2: and you could tell he's like, we're doing it again.

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Speaker 2: We're doing it again. So that's what that reminds me.

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Speaker 1: All it was like you got prepped by the pr guy,

631
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Speaker 1: but right before it started to say it and it

632
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Speaker 1: was the first time doing it and it didn't quite track.

633
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Speaker 1: But good luck. I want to see good quarterback talent

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Speaker 1: play well. And we'll get into that more on the

635
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Speaker 1: next show, but I think Liam Cohen is a good

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Speaker 1: one for Trevor Lawrence. Let's stock quarterbacks to start about

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Speaker 1: this twenty t twenty five draft. I preface this by

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Speaker 1: telling our listeners I'm a basic when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the draft. I'm excited that we have this daily format,

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Speaker 1: and I don't do a lot of draft stuff until

641
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Speaker 1: now because I'm just in it. I don't have the

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Speaker 1: brain power that Nate Tyst does to do a big board.

643
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Speaker 1: In the middle of October, I went and found and all, yeah,

644
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Speaker 1: and you're on four point zero of your mock draft,

645
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: so you're you're grinding through these guys. I am excited

646
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: to go to school and kind of hopefully the listeners

647
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: will be on this journey with me as we kind

648
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: of learn about this draft class in particular, and this

649
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: is really the start of it. So I just thought

650
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to have one of my favorite draft

651
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: minds out there, Nate you on because it's Senior Bowl

652
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: week and we don't have to be too locked into

653
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: everything that's going to happen at Senior Bowl Week. We're

654
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: also gonna talk about at the end of the week

655
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: how it went down. But when you look at this

656
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: class overall, like not as much sizzle maybe up top

657
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: because of the quarterbacks, but still an intriguing class. Like

658
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: how would you evaluate like the overall class, like in

659
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: terms of top shelf town oh to and like where

660
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: it's strongest that.

661
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: Okay, overall with the quarterbacks, I'll start there, not not

662
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: not a great quarterback class overall with at the top

663
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: and depth, I would say cam Ward is my number

664
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: one guy, and then you know, Shadar Sanders right now

665
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: is two, but it's not I don't have a true

666
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: true first round grade on him. It's more of like

667
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: a you know, it's that next tier where I would

668
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: maybe slot him in, but then after that it's kind

669
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: of I mean, even with Shuder and cam Ward is

670
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: kind of dealer's choice. It's your flavor that you like.

671
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm I'm bullish on a guy Riley Leonard from Notre Dame.

672
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: I like a lot of his traits. But the thing

673
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: is that's bullish in the sense of like third round,

674
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: not like, oh, sneak into the first. There's guys like

675
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe from Alabama, who's a good athlete measured in

676
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: today at the Senior Bowl with very small hands a

677
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: picket sized, which is always concerning, but very good athlete

678
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: really improved this year. I mean the Neckler size or

679
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: the eight eight and a half or eight and three

680
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: quarters eight and three course Eighten.

681
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Speaker 1: Love, I love that you had like an actual answer

682
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: for that. Just Tom Brady hit Austin Eckler with the

683
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: small hands when he fumbled on Sundays. I don't know

684
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: if you check out. I got that in the broadcast.

685
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: I was like, damn Tom, that was tough. Uh at

686
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: the bottle jig spot and you got Tom Brady talking

687
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: about your small hands, Okay. Jalen Mill wrote, Yeah, he's

688
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and the rest of the rest

689
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: of the.

690
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: Class of the Cress. It's just kind of you know again,

691
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: it's flavors. Jackson Dart from Ole miss has got some

692
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: hype right now. He's also at the Senior Bowl. I

693
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: look at him as an early Day three guy right now.

694
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you have to die back in, but it's a

695
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: lot of those. It's a lot of early Day three types.

696
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: That's like, oh, I can maybe see him in the

697
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: third as opposed to sneaking him up in the first.

698
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: To me, cam Ward is the one only one I

699
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: trust from Miami is the only one I would like

700
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: feel okay taking in the top fifteen, and I'm sure

701
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: he might even go top five. But other than that,

702
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: like outside quarterback, it's a really good running back class,

703
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: really really good at the top and depth wise. Every round,

704
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: every type, big guys, small guys. Ashon Genty from Boise State,

705
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: it's going to get the most hype. He's incredible, Heisman finalist.

706
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 2: I have a top ten grade on him, and I

707
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: feel good about it. If he can go anywhere in

708
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: the first round, I totally get it. Then you got

709
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: shoot it's going from there. You got from Caleb Johnson

710
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: from Iowa. You have the o Higo State running backs,

711
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: tre David Harr's or Trevion Henderson, who's a really fun guy.

712
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna really like him because he's really

713
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: good in pass protection. He's really fast, like he's like

714
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: a pro.

715
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean like Mike Mike Scoutings is watching the NFL,

716
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, National Championship being like, oh wow, these guys, okay,

717
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: they really are they really are going high because they

718
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: kind of look like the guy exactly would go high.

719
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry, at least for now, No, it's good

720
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: at the quarterbacks because Milroe and Dart are at the

721
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Sooner Bowl, and so so's Riley Leonard. I know you

722
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: liked Riley Leonard a lot at Duke. Maybe he had

723
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: like a bit of a disappointing year. Milroe seems like

724
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: he's so physically talented that some team's gonna love him, right, Yeah,

725
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: but huge, You, for instance, were huge on Anthony richards

726
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: and I know they're completely different quarterbacks, but they both

727
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: had elite traits and our special runners, or at least

728
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: you can tell me. Maybe Milroe is not a special

729
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: runner if you don't think so, but it has special speed.

730
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: Certainly, he's a very good athlete. You can you can fly,

731
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: He's an excellent athlete. Yeah. The Richardson comparisons keep coming in,

732
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: but Richardson still has these three inches tall or thirty

733
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: pounds heavier and probably runs the same forty and has

734
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: a better more lie, I think he's better. I know

735
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: what this is crazy to say. Richardson's feel in the

736
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: pocket and everything is way better than Milroe. Even though

737
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: Milroe has improved and everything this year, Richardson always had that.

738
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: That's why I was always so bullish on him still am.

739
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's very young. And I was kind of

740
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: kind to ask you about that because maybe that's why

741
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: you thought it made sense with the traits that Richardson

742
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: could go that high because I was with you. He

743
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: was so good at avoiding sacks, so good I feel

744
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: in the pocket, and even going through his reads sometimes like,

745
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: is Milroe a guy you think in this in the

746
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: lead up to the draft could do enough that he

747
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: kind of gets in that mix because from the outside,

748
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: not knowing enough, he just seems like that guy that's like, Okay,

749
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: you guys can tell me that he's not a first

750
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: round pick now, but he's the guy that usually by

751
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: the end of the process gets pushed up pretty high.

752
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: And do you think he he should?

753
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: Basically I don't think he should, but I think he will.

754
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: I think his best case is like a justin fields,

755
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: you know, like that's more how I picture him than

756
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. Not really saying the top quarterbacks right now,

757
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: but that's kind of how I picture him more of.

758
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: And so to me, he's more of a day to

759
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: dart throw than a guy I would bump up even

760
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: in the first round. And I know people want to

761
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: make the contract stuff and everything. As soon as you

762
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: put the first round great or one dash twenty four

763
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: next to a quarterback, he's on the field, you know,

764
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: So I'd much rather take that Dart throw on Day two,

765
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 2: I would say the the Bama coaches got I mean,

766
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: they were whoever took that job after save and was

767
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: gonna be underheat no matter what. I thought. They did

768
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: a really good job of streamlined thing, stream aligning things

769
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: for Milroe in the sense of like, all right, one

770
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: to go, one go, And I thought he there's the

771
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: old coaching adage, if you make a mistake, make it fast.

772
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: I think Milroe was doing that much better this year.

773
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: I wanted him to stay another year or figure it

774
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: out how to do it. But he's entering the draft,

775
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: so we'll see.

776
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll be in Mobile, so he'll get a

777
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: lot of attention. Yep, this week. Jackson Dart's a guy

778
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: who you know, played in a wonky offense a little

779
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: bit at Ole miss bombs away that people that are

780
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: fans of teams that need quarterbacks this offseason and are

781
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: just annoyed that they weren't in the draft last year,

782
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: you know, and they're looking at this free agent class,

783
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just like adding up the teams and there's

784
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: just not many good options possibly out there. I think

785
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford's probably the bell of the ball because I

786
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: think there's going to be a sense that he's available

787
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: and we'll see. But then there's Darnold and it's a

788
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: it's rusts and fields. After that, it's it's it's pretty

789
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: slim pickings, and it's slim pickings in the draft. And

790
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: yet there's only there's about seven teams that are going

791
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: to be looking at quarterbacks in the draft. And so man,

792
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: some of those fan bases are out there, they're talking

793
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: themselves into like Jackson Dart could be our dude, what

794
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: do you think, like what are his pluses and minuses?

795
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: And if there's like a quarterback maybe that that is

796
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: there and mobile that you think might have like a

797
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: week there to keep an eye on.

798
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Dart, it's he has tools, he has trades.

799
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: He put up production as a runner and thrower. The

800
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: thing with that Lane Kiff and offensive Ole Miss, it's

801
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: a money play offense. And so it's like I watched

802
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: Matt Carral just do the exact same thing a couple

803
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: of years ago. I feel like I'm having the conversation

804
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: all over again. But the with with him with Dart

805
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: is that I don't know his feeling. I've never gotten

806
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: there with his feel for the playing the position. I

807
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: think he does throw a nice ball, and I do

808
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: think he can make some nice plays. It always just

809
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: a hairs late to me, like you know, okay, there's

810
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: it's open, Okay, now there's the throw, as opposed to

811
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: anticipating the throw. I've also just seen endgame situations where

812
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: he's not even making the right read and maybe it's

813
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: like stress stresses him out, which scares me with a guy,

814
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: especially if you're saying first round, he might have a week,

815
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: this might this is the perfect type of week. He

816
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: also has to show that he can grasp a win

817
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: kiff and as a quote unquote NFL offense. But it's

818
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: more about terminology. But like as far as the depth

819
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: of the playbook is probably not there at Old Miss,

820
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: and I maybe want to see him like how quickly

821
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: he grasps his stuff, how quickly he can do one

822
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: to two to three as opposed to like it's a

823
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: lot of one and done. Because Mike keff It goes

824
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: this MF is gonna be wide open. You better throw it,

825
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: you know, as opposed to like, okay, you got to

826
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: progress through this. So I have hesitations with him. I

827
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: see him getting a lot of hype too. But again,

828
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: like I you guys, stick to what the grade is,

829
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 2: not like oh there's somebody who's got to rise up.

830
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: It's like no, no, no. If you have a bunch

831
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: of third fourth round grades, that means they're third fourth rounders.

832
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they have to get bumped up just because

833
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: they're QB three or QB four by default. So he's one.

834
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of always teppering. And I would say, again,

835
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: Leonard is the guy that maybe has a good week,

836
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 2: but I think he's banged up after that college football

837
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: playoff he waited.

838
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: It was like a week ago. It is crazy that.

839
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: He weighed two ten today, so he's probably worn down.

840
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: I think he's like two twenty five normally, so.

841
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Brutal to go. I mean immediately from the National Championship

842
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: into the Senior Bowl, into the entire draft process into

843
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: your NFL season. It already seems kind of like a

844
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: brutal process. But uh, for him and Will how you know,

845
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: who knows will who is also there? Who? Who do

846
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: you think the highest drafted player there is in Mobile

847
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: potentially some options? Shamar Stewart is there? Who?

848
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, an edge.

849
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: Player, armand Mambou. I believed from Missouri. I couldn't believe.

850
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: I've been following it enough that I was surprised when

851
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: my my friend of me, Daniel Jeremiah put him eleventh

852
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: in his mock draft. So that's that's a tackle from

853
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: Missouri that maybe is rising late.

854
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: Charles had him in our first round and people got

855
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: mad at us, and all of a sudden, DJ bumps

856
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: him up the top eleven and everyone's like, oh, yeah, yeah,

857
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: I gotta check him out. That's okay. I am going

858
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs at like thirty or whatever it was

859
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: that week, and everyone freaked the f out on us.

860
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: It shows you're onto something and this happens. Like Jeremiah,

861
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: he doesn't. He doesn't throw that in there in a

862
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: vacuum because it's a mock. It's not his top it's

863
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: not his top fifty. He hasn't released that yet. It's

864
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: him talking to the rest of the league and being like, Hey,

865
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: this is gonna make me look smart in April because

866
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: this dude is going to be the dude and I

867
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: and I kind of showed that I knew my stuff

868
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: so exactly.

869
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: It No, there's there's there's so much some real good

870
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: offensive lineman there. Josh Connolly from Oregon and boo, you

871
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: just brought up and why am I there's another tackle

872
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: that might be a guard and for some reason I

873
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: don't have it written down right now in front of me.

874
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: Oh and then they got Jonah Slavinia from Arizona, who's

875
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: a guard that might sneak into the first round. A

876
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: Wyatt Milliam from uh he's a tackle from West Virginia.

877
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: I think he's a guard. But it's actually pretty it's

878
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: an interesting offensive line class. Like there is offense line depth,

879
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: it's just not those there's no freaky tackles like I

880
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: really like Will Campbell from Elsi. He's not at the

881
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, but people are like, oh, he's a guard.

882
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: I think he can stick out the tackle. But it's

883
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: a lot of actually want the Patriots to draft him,

884
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: by the way, but I think the the this offensive

885
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: line class in the tackles, it's a lot of like

886
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: is he a guarter? Is he a tackle? Is he

887
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: good enough? He's a good athlete. Is he strong enough? Oh,

888
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: he's strong enough. There's a lot of just tweeter types.

889
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: That's like, this guy's a starter. I just don't know

890
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: which position he's starting at and if he's like a

891
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl starter or just a solid starter. But I

892
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: think it's just it's a really gonna be a big

893
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: time either beholder offensive line class, and I think someone

894
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: people are gonna hit, like people are going to find

895
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: some Pro bowlers in this class. I really do think

896
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: that like late like late first, early second types. But

897
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: he's just got to be the right fit for all

898
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: these guys.

899
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: But maybe not one to be looking desperately for a

900
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: tackle at number four overall just because it's so deep.

901
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: Maybe you can go to a different position there. I

902
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: will I will be sad if Travis Hunter is like

903
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: as exciting in the pros as he is, that they

904
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: that they won that stupid game against the Bills backups

905
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: because they were if they were one and overall, would

906
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: you if you had the first overall pick and you

907
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: were let's say, like the Patriots, you didn't need a

908
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: quarterback but can basically use someone anywhere else where, would

909
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: you go?

910
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: Well, first off, I would try to convince everybody that

911
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: cam Ward's the greatest quarterback they've ever seen in their life.

912
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

913
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: First, yeah, I would go man because this is really

914
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 2: hard to because it's not I would go off into

915
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: line because I just do. I would go Trenches. That's

916
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: my first answer. And to me, it's like, all right,

917
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: as Dual Carter is it Will Campbell and Carter I

918
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: think is a better player. I don't think he's as generation.

919
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: People are thrown out generational with him. It's like, come my, guys, chill,

920
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: but he's a very good prospect. And I think it's like,

921
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: do the Patriots need that?

922
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Do they forget? Even forget even Patriots think of it

923
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: as a as a generic team because yes, the new

924
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: GM makes the comment that they don't want to pass

925
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: on a generational talent at one kind of indicating I'm

926
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: not kidding, Hey, we're not going to just take a

927
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: quarterback just just to take it, and everyone is like,

928
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: he must mean Travis Hunter, and then everyone else is like, no,

929
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: actually he means Abdull Carter, the interior rusher.

930
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always Trenches first, So I would put I

931
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: have Travis Hunter as one on my board. So that's

932
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: what's hard. That's what's hard too. He if you're going

933
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: best player, we do not care the position. It's truly

934
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 2: bp A. I would say Travis Hunter. But if I admit,

935
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: where do you play him?

936
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: What does he do?

937
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: Corner? He's a corner, and I think he's a but

938
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: he's a special corner, like he has top you know,

939
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: all Pro first team every year type up side. He's

940
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: not that big too, like size wise. That's the only

941
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: thing about playing both ways in the NFL I'm a

942
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: little scared about. I think he's a corner full time

943
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: and a receiver four that you play for eight to

944
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: twelve plays a game, and I just think that's what

945
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: they try to use my Colorado. He is so raw

946
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: as a receiver. I feel like you only knows a

947
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: quarter of the playbook, which I understand. Playing both sides

948
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: is really hard full time physically and mentally. I think

949
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 2: it only gets harder in the NFL. So you keep

950
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: that package real small and then keep the let them

951
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: just be dominant a corner. I thought of the guard

952
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: by ways, Marcus Minbau from Purdue, who I like as well.

953
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: That's the other guys.

954
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, And then like when Carter.

955
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 2: Is the if I'm if I'm going trenches is Abdual Carter,

956
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, okay from Penn State.

957
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: So like, where else do you think like the draft

958
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: is is weak and and most strong? Because because I

959
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: cut you off, you said the running backs deep throughout

960
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 1: great at the top wide receiver doesn't seem like it's

961
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: as flashy a class as the last few. It's okay,

962
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: where where do you think the class is at its best?

963
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Tight End is the other position running back and tight

964
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: ends where my eyes go. And then defensive line, defensive tackle,

965
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: and edge, you know, like those are probably the three

966
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: top spots, like starting on offense, like Marge brought some

967
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: of the running backs, but tight end wise, I see

968
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: at least two going in the first round and like that,

969
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be shocked if maybe another guy sneaks

970
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: in there. But like Tower Warren from Penn State is

971
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: a freak, it could looks like a three down Why

972
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: that's also explosive. I've seen Kittle comparisons. That's pretty extreme

973
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: to me. But it's it's not like like totally out

974
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: of the park, you know, like you know, out of

975
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: whack to like compare Kittle to that, which is that

976
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: that's but that's the high high, high end upside. I

977
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: think DJ had him in the top ten.

978
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: DJ had him going seventh, which I was like, is

979
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: that the is that the brock Bawers effect, not that

980
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: he's brock Bowers or even you know, the same player.

981
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: But it's funny because you look at last year's draft

982
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, supposedly the Rams want to

983
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: trade up for brock Power. Everyone wanted brock Bowers. It

984
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: was kind of like Mahomes back in the day after

985
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the fact that everyone, although I think it was credible,

986
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: they really did want brock Powers. And you look at

987
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: it and the Raiders kind of settled for him because

988
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: they didn't get a quarterback and thought, wow, that's high

989
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: for a tight end. And now you think, like, no,

990
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: that's not too high for a tight end anyone. That's

991
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: a difference maker. It's the same thing as the Jamiir

992
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Gibbs argument, except it maybe even more valuable position. And

993
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: so you could see Tyler Warren, especially in this class,

994
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: going higher.

995
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: It's it's my well, Warren two is a true in line.

996
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 2: Why like he winds up all over his wildcat quarterbacks sometimes,

997
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: but he can play in line. Dowers is a slot

998
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: receiver slash tight end, while Warren is truly a tight end,

999
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's a difference as well.

1000
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: And this is a big philosophy I have with team building.

1001
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: That's why I even said it's I would go trenches first.

1002
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: I'm always big about how many plays you impact. And

1003
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: that's why I'm always a lit offensive line first, the

1004
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: edges first, before I get to receivers and corners and everything.

1005
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: Is because I think they like, if you're drafting a guard,

1006
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: oh man guard really, oh, he's on the field every

1007
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: single play and he's going to have something to do

1008
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 2: that like, it impacts the play eighty percent of the time,

1009
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, seventy five percent of time. While if I

1010
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: draft a receiver in the top ten and we're a

1011
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: bad team, four plays that, you know, twelve plays tops,

1012
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, like that that they truly can impact it early,

1013
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they learn other things that can help

1014
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: out their craft. So that's why I got like Warren

1015
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: in this type of draft class that doesn't have a

1016
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: ton of blue chippers. It's kind of more it's it's

1017
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: gonna be a big kind of eye of the beholder

1018
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 2: type draft. Just take them, you know, like it's BPA.

1019
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: He can play, he can stay on the field because

1020
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: he can block for forty plus snaps. And that's why

1021
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: I think it's like, all right, well, that's a difference

1022
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: tight end than a guy that might be receiving, only

1023
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 2: you know, a guy that's only out there for twenty

1024
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: five snaps or has to be hidden in the run game,

1025
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: Like those things really matter.

1026
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Well or even more than a wide receiver. I present

1027
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: to you the Rob Gronkowski era Patriots. Not that you're

1028
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: gonna find Gronk probably in the draft, but you have

1029
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: a hard time telling me that there were many wide

1030
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: receivers more valuable on a down to down basis changing

1031
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: what the defenses had to do that than him, and

1032
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: that that's obviously the jury.

1033
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: He's another one. Afterwards, everybody wanted Gronk. Everybody. Oh, at

1034
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: least three coaches I've heard over the years now, even

1035
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: a conversation I've been a part of, have gone, well,

1036
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: he was my one. When we did our draft grades,

1037
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 2: there was one guy we had to go for each

1038
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: position that was the gold guy, and Gronk. We were

1039
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: trying to come up with a different grade because he

1040
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: was better than gold and was like, well, why didn't

1041
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 2: you draft him? Then?

1042
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Back injuries? Also, he was mono syllabic, like I was

1043
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: there at his combined press conference. I never go to

1044
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: the players ones anymore. I don't stay that deep into

1045
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: the week. We actually haven't gone in a while, but

1046
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: I am going this year and I hope to see

1047
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: you there, Nate, and I'm excited for that. But I

1048
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: was there for Gronk's press conference and it was funny.

1049
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he could barely, he could barely speaking of us.

1050
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: You're like, what is happening here? And they're just like, yeah,

1051
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: this guy at the back surgeries, But man, is he

1052
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: talented and good pick.

1053
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm sad he was curious that he used from my

1054
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 2: jersey and PA and he went to Arizona. It was

1055
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: just you know, and if he probably asked him, he

1056
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: probably had a great official visit. So it's like warm,

1057
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 2: Who's warm?

1058
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: That's why I went to Tulane. Last player I'm going

1059
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: to ask you about is someone you you wrote about

1060
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: that you liked a lot, and just his profile and

1061
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: what I've seen from him gets me excited. Do you

1062
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: think Jalen Walker goes maybe a little higher in this

1063
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: draft because of the Zach Bond impact. Is there any

1064
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: is there any Zach Bond similarities just in terms of

1065
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: maybe what he could do at the next level and

1066
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: is everyone going to be looking for their own Zach Bond.

1067
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: I feel like off ball linebackers are back to being

1068
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: cool again. Running We're going back to the eighties. Like

1069
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Speaker 1: off ball linebackers and running, We're back.

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Speaker 2: I love this. We just need more full cage face masks.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some microals it would be good.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I I love Jillan Walker. I think he's actually probably

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the whole draft class.

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Speaker 2: I put him in my top ten in mid mid season.

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Speaker 2: Even before the season, I had him in my top twenty,

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Speaker 2: and I was just kind of like, you know, all

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00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: this guy does is make plays. And George is so

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Speaker 2: annoying to watch, like as far as an evaluator, because

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Speaker 2: they rotate their guys so much. They run like five

1081
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: hundred different fronts and it's just showing off. So they

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00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: can go to coaching clinics and just go like, look

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00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: at this play that we ran twice the entire year, like,

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00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: you know, like they just love doing that. And so

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Speaker 2: watching Walker, it's kind of like, all right, are you

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Speaker 2: an edge? Are you off ball? Are you doing? I

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Speaker 2: just want him in my front seven, and I think

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brob Zach Bond. That's a that's a

1089
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: great comparison. I mean, there's a whole bunch of these

1090
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: guys right now, vander Esh you know, you know, for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, what other Wisconsin badger's kind named Leo Chanel? Uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, just name a badger. But all these guys,

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Speaker 2: Andrew van Gankl not late in vander Ash, my bad

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00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: avg they all look the same, you know, yeah, right

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00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: three three yeah, my bad there. But no, these guys,

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Speaker 2: I think that's more of a we see a defensive

1097
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: lineman where it's like, oh, this guy's an offensive outside linebacker,

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Speaker 2: but when we go to Nickel, they're a defensive end,

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Speaker 2: which now we just call edge. And I think that

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Speaker 2: the Bond thing. What you see is, oh, this guy's

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Speaker 2: got past past rushing ability, so let's use him on

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Speaker 2: simulated So let's use him on blitzes creepers. And you're

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00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: just okay, we're still only rushing for but the guy

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00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: that's got pass rushing. Chops is now rushing the passer

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Speaker 2: against a guard and then now we're dropping one of

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00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: those outside line But we see the Rams do this

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00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: all the time, dropping one of those outside linebackers into

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00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: coverage and you're just inverting the roles. So when you

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00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 2: get a guy like Bond who actually has some coverage,

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Speaker 2: Shops is good against the run, he's just it's kind

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00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: of one of these guys. It's like, Oh, this is

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Speaker 2: what you should have been the whole time. When they

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00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: do come on these creepers and simulates and Blitzer, there's

1114
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: still a weapon everything. So I really like him With

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals, that's been kind of my like, ooh, I

1116
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: like you there. But really, I mean, any creative defense

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00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: that you can picture, I would like Walker on it.

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Speaker 2: But again, like I said, when this type of draft

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Speaker 2: class without true blue Chippers, he to me is a

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Speaker 2: blue chipper. It's just I don't know what position he's at,

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: so you know, but I just think he's one of

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: the best players, a top ten player, so I think

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00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: he should go high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I always, you know, get a little worried about

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Speaker 1: those those type of guys. Isaiah Simmons, right, and uh,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals. The Cardinals wouldn't know what to do with them.

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Speaker 1: That your funky favorite tape Grinder's coaching staff, the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: they came through for you. Both you and Jordan were

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00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: pretty excited about them coming into the season, and I know,

1130
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: well we're there. I mean, it wasn't It was up

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00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: and down. But I think if you look at it

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00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: the total view ultimately that they took a nice step

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Speaker 1: forward for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did. It's you know, now I got I

1135
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: gotta study Kyler too. Kyler has becomes one of the

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Speaker 2: most in you know, kind of an enigma as far

1137
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 2: as studying wise, because it's just like he's one game

1138
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 2: he looks I'm like, oh wow, Like, no wonder you

1139
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: were an MVP candidate that year and in some games

1140
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, what are you doing? Man? Like,

1141
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: So I maybe year three with this coaching staff's gonna

1142
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: be like another lead for which I'm excited about.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. I am looking forward to

1144
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: the build up to the draft, the whole process. We

1145
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: got free agency coming up really the end of the

1146
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: conference championships. Even though I'm really excited for the Super Bowl,

1147
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go to New Orleans in next week's

1148
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: going to be all about that. We're gonna have lots

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00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: of great guests. I do feel like today, as we're

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00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: taping this, it almost feels like the first day of

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00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: the off season, because there's like there's literally one more

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00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: game and they're they're doing. There's a whole as Ian

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: Rappaport said on Twitter, there's a whole parallel NFL that

1154
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: is going on right now in Mobile and they have

1155
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: moved on to twenty twenty five. We're coming up on

1156
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 1: the week where Matthew Stafford and Kirk Cousins are both

1157
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: like quietly talking to other teams, and then next week

1158
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: is the week that they actually join those teams. So

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Speaker 1: it is coming around the corner and we're going to

1160
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Speaker 1: be covering it all on NFL Daily. You stepped up

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00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: in a big way twice this year. You did it

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Speaker 1: Football three oh one. You got your own show, you

1163
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Speaker 1: were on NFL Network on Good Morning Football, here and there,

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Speaker 1: You're on Bomani Jones's show, all of it. You're writing

1165
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot, you're a draft expert. I really recommend everyone

1166
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: go check out Football three oh one and subscribe. I'm

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00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: always really impressed Nate when you guys, you guys do

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Speaker 1: a kind of an abbreviated recap show and you'll cover

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00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: like a big game and you do it in like

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Speaker 1: four minutes and then you just move on to the

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Speaker 1: next game. I'm like, Wow, you can do that. That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Good jobs. Why it's my own lack of hosting ability.

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Speaker 1: No, it's really not.

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Speaker 2: If you make a mistake, make it fast, just dould just.

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Speaker 1: Get through it very well said it's like really key

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Speaker 1: points and you'll move on. And so you you've killed it,

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Speaker 1: and I'll continue to check it out and I'll continue

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Speaker 1: to bug you during the whole draft process. That's it

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Speaker 1: for today's show. Thank you, Nate. Play the music. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, we will be back. It's a big show.

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Speaker 1: It'll come out early Wednesday morning. We got Mina Chimes,

1182
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: we got Jordan Rodrieg, we got Colleen Wolf. We're going

1183
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: to go through all the coaching hirings and the coordinators,

1184
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff, the press conferences and yes,

1185
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: when we're talking senior ball, you know football is back.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you Wednesday