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Speaker 1: I've been grinding in all my life. Hello, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: another additional club. Shasha, I am your whole Shannon Sharp

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Speaker 1: and I have two guys stopping by the club today

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Speaker 1: for a drinking conversation. One of the sixteen year NBA

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Speaker 1: VET He's the CEO and co founder of Biola Al Harrington,

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Speaker 1: and the other is an NBA legend, eleven time All Star, MVP,

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Speaker 1: Mister Allen Iverson you know him? Miss Ai. How you doing, guys?

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Speaker 1: What's that a shas? I'm good, bro. How y'all feeling today? Bro?

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Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm medicated, I'm chilling. Okay, you guys got

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Speaker 1: you got a special announcement you guys want to make

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Speaker 1: take it away out? Hey? Man? So uh really honored

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Speaker 1: and uh super excited to be doing a partnership with Uh.

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Speaker 1: How can I explain this dude man like me so much,

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Speaker 1: to me, to our culture, to you know, all the

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Speaker 1: all the ballers that came up behind him, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, we're always constantly trying to,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying. Throughout his career, you know, obviously played through

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Speaker 1: But now you know, uh, you know, cannabis is now

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Speaker 1: what made you want to partner with viol obviously? You know,

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Speaker 1: al what what what made you want to get involved

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Speaker 1: would have had to get on the grid and then

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have never stopped lifting ways after high school,

427
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You would have seen an

428
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Speaker 1: old totally different physique. I might be looking like you

429
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Speaker 1: or something. Hey, but I would have I would have

430
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Speaker 1: had to. I would have had to would have had

431
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Speaker 1: a short, short care you know what I mean. Basketball,

432
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: I just didn't like Waits because I it was too heavy. Football,

433
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Speaker 1: I know I would have had to. I would have

434
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Speaker 1: had to lift. And then you can you can you

435
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: can ask anybody from Virginia and and and they would

436
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: tell you Shannon that, you know, hands down I was.

437
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: I would have been better in football, So that was

438
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: my first love. So you would have been Russell Wilson,

439
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick. You you was Michael

440
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: Vick before Michael Vick. All you gotta do is ask

441
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: Mike and then and then what's what's what's wild about

442
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: what you're saying? And that that that lets me know

443
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: about definitely what I've been knowing about your your sports

444
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Speaker 1: i Q. But you know that's how I was as

445
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: a basketball player, you know what I mean. I wanted

446
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,479
Speaker 1: to add some of Michael Jordan's game, add some of magic,

447
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: be fast like Isaiah, rebound like Barkley, be dominant like Shaq,

448
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, do it all on the court,

449
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: right like you know, you know the guys that do everything,

450
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: not just one particular thing on the basketball. I didn't

451
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: want to have no weaknesses out on the court, so

452
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: I tried to implicate all of those guys game in

453
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: the minds. And that's what I would have did in football,

454
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I would have wanted to

455
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: be accurate like Aaron Rodgers and have the arm like

456
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. But I definitely would want to run like Russell.

457
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: I definitely would want to run like Lamar Jackson or

458
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Speaker 1: Mike Vick. You know what I mean. I just wanted,

459
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, in basketball, I didn't want the opponent to

460
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: feel like they could do just one thing to shut

461
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: me down. I wanted to have variety that I could

462
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Speaker 1: counteract with, you know what I mean when they try

463
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: to take something away from me. And it would have

464
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: been the same thing in football, Like I mean, just

465
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Speaker 1: the way you change the game at tight end. You know,

466
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Speaker 1: tight end is not playing the game, Nope, Like you know,

467
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: you played the game, you know what I mean. It

468
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: was like a wide receiver playing tight end, you know

469
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Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's how you changed the game.

470
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Speaker 1: And that's what I would have tried to add to

471
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: my My football game was different parts of great and

472
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: try to put it in one game and the ants. Now,

473
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: you came directly out of high school. Did you know

474
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: that that was something that you always wanted to do

475
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: when you growing up? Obviously you were probably taller than

476
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: everybody else and you wanted to play in the NBA.

477
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: When did you realize, like, you know what, I ain't

478
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: going to college. I'm going straight from high school to

479
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: the NBA. So I mean, I I don't tell my

480
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Speaker 1: story enough. But believe it or not, I didn't start

481
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: football with my first love too, okay, right, And I

482
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be a defensive end. I played. I played

483
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: defensive end in offensive tackle when I was a freshman

484
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: in high school at play Bro offensive tackle. Yeah, Bro,

485
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: that's left side. Bro, that's all the money. But uh,

486
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I didn't hoop. I didn't hoop until

487
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: I was a freshman in high school. I was six four,

488
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Speaker 1: I move, so when I got there, they see this big,

489
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: tall kid, They're like, oh, you're gonna play basketball. So

490
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: I was the worst play all on my freshman team.

491
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Speaker 1: My sophomore year, I transferred to all basketball school. I

492
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: don't know why I did that. I just just decided

493
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: to say, forget football, I'm gonna play basketball only. I

494
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: was probably the worst player my sophomore year too. But

495
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Speaker 1: between my sophomore and my junior year, man I just

496
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: dedicated myself to the gym and like my game just

497
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: like I just got nice out of nowhere. And to

498
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: be honest, like I didn't have hoop dreams as a kid,

499
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: like I thought I was gonna go to Notre Dame

500
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: and play for the New York Giants. That's what I

501
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: want to do. And next thing, you know, bro, like

502
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm a soft I'm a junior. I'm killing my going

503
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: to my going into the summer, going into my senior year,

504
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: and I was like top twenty five. I got that

505
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: good that fast, And it was certain names on that

506
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: list I needed to go get and they were all

507
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: at the Nike all American kids. So instead of me,

508
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: I was an Adidas kid. But I said, I'm going

509
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: to Nike to go get those kids. And I went

510
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: to Nike and I ended up being the MVP of

511
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Speaker 1: the camp. And I had just told him, the guy

512
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: that was training me, I said, Yo, you can give

513
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: me to being the number one play in the country.

514
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go pro out of high school. And Bro,

515
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: that's literally how I made the decision. Like I had

516
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: no idea though. It's just I just got really good

517
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and ended up being the number one

518
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: player in the country, and you know, the rest is history.

519
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 1: There are a couple of months ago, Kwame Brown came up,

520
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think me personally, I don't think Kwami

521
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: was a failure. You don't make it to the NBA

522
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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Now maybe he did. Some

523
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: people say, well, he wasn't a Hall of Famer, he

524
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: wasn't this or that. But what if you could have

525
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: given what do you think some of the things that

526
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: happened to Kwami? Because watching him, he's athletic, he could run,

527
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: he was number he was quick. Why don't you think

528
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Speaker 1: he enjoyed the level of success that many think he

529
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: was destined to have. Well from you know, from what

530
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I know about the situation, because I knew a couple

531
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: of guys that was on and the Wizards, you know

532
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: when he got drafted, was that he went to a

533
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: veteran team where I guessed that they didn't really want

534
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: him there, right, you know, I think that what he

535
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: was saying was the truth. Like he thought that he

536
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: was supposed to go to the Clippers for ellen Brandt.

537
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: So those veterans that you know, Michael Jordan wanted to

538
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: win right now, right, he don't want to develop a

539
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: high school kid, right, So from what I hear, it

540
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: was just like he didn't get a lot of support.

541
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying from the from the vets

542
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: and you know that's that's a big thing, man. And

543
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I will say, like, as much as I wanted to

544
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: be a top five pick, you know, God blessed me

545
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: to be picked at the twenty fifth pick because they

546
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: put me on the team full of veterans that taught

547
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: me how to be a man, how to be a pro.

548
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. What they instilled in me,

549
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: the foundation they gave me was the reason why I

550
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: was able to play sixteen years and why I had

551
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: a respectable career was because the things that those guys

552
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: taught me, and from what I understand from the outside

553
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: looking in, it was from stories was that he never

554
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: got that because when you think about it, to your point,

555
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: he had everything, but what he lacked was confident and

556
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: sometimes you need Vets to give you that confidence. You

557
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. The one thing I'll just talk

558
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: about Allen is like from what I've seen it, because

559
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: I was in Ndenda when he was at the height

560
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: in Philly, when he was giving us forty every night,

561
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: but he had all these guys around him that you

562
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: couldn't tell they believed in them. Bro. You know what

563
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm saying was something about the way he gave him

564
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: a high fire, the way he patted him on the ass,

565
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: that made them willing to run through a wall for him.

566
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's what I think

567
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: that Kwami never got and that's the reason why I

568
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: think his career started off that way. I totally agree.

569
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: I don't believe you could go ahead, yeah, eighteen ye

570
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, number one pick in the NBA draft.

571
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if if that's not pressure, because I mean

572
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: even if you go lottery, that's that's a big time pressure.

573
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: He stayed out of high school, no college experience to

574
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: step on that stage like that. I applaud him, you

575
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I played with Kuama. I

576
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: love Kuami the person I played with him, you know

577
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. Everybody talk about you know, they didn't

578
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: know Kwami was like this, and you know how old

579
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: outspoken he is now and everything Kwami been like that,

580
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And and something I don't

581
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: know when it was when it happened, some lit a

582
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,479
Speaker 1: fire up under him and it all came out of him.

583
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: But you know, Kwami smart, very intelligent man. You go

584
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: on this podcast and you listen to him. You got

585
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of great points, you know what I mean.

586
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: And I just feel like, you know, he was put

587
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: in a tough position man, being a number one player

588
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA at that young of an age, you

589
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and like I all said,

590
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: going to a squad where they were trying to win,

591
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: like they had black JS on that squad, you know

592
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: anything you trying to win now, right, And it's just

593
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way it turned out because a

594
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys that he did get into it with,

595
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: these guys that I love and respect, you know what

596
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean. So I didn't like the whole fiasco anyway,

597
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: and you know, it gave me a bad feeling anyway.

598
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: And I just think, you know, Kwami did what he did.

599
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: He was he was successful. I know him as a

600
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: person and as a teammate. I know he had fun

601
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: when he played and enjoyed himself and and Kwami had

602
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of great moments. Now, you would expect a

603
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: number one player to, like Shannon said, end up being

604
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame un All Star. Yes, yeah, at

605
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: least an All Star. Maybe if you don't make the

606
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, at least an All Star yes, right,

607
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: and and it it didn't, it didn't happen for him.

608
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: But you know, a bus I can't really I can't

609
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: say that man. I mean number one play, I mean

610
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: number one picked. I don't know all the beautiful things

611
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: he's done for his family and and for himself. I

612
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: applaud it. Man, you know what I mean. I love

613
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: Kuami many We were all ex professional, ex professional athletes.

614
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: And you know the number one thing people can say, Well,

615
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: it's size, it's this, it's that, it's confidence. We've seen

616
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: guys that call, We've seen guys that can run it,

617
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: can lift all these weights. But if you're not confident

618
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: when you step out there on the court or the field,

619
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: you don't mean nothing. That's it, that's it, that's that's it.

620
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: In a nutshell, if you don't have if the confident,

621
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't care, if you Lebron James himself, you can

622
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: be Michael Jordan, you know what I mean. With all

623
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: the athletic ability in the world. You know what I mean,

624
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: And if you don't believe in yourself, and that's in

625
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: anything like, yes, that's anything. Yes, you know what I mean.

626
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: You canlind the eight ball anytime you don't. You don't

627
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: believe in yourself, you know what I mean. My my,

628
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: my mentor used to teach me all the time when

629
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: I was young. He used to say, if it's you

630
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: and me, it's me, you know what I mean. That's

631
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: not cocky, and that's not arrogance or anything like that.

632
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: That's the belief. That's what you believe. It in the

633
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: talent that God gave you, you know what I mean,

634
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: and respecting the talent that He gave you by believing

635
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: that you're the best. You know, I stepped on the

636
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: court with number twenty three before both of them, right,

637
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, open the number twenty three's

638
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: And when I was on that court that night, I

639
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: felt like in my heart I was the best player

640
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: on the front. And a million people will say otherwise,

641
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: but it all that mattered was how I felt, right,

642
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You're gonna know who number

643
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: twenty three is in black and red, you know when

644
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: he leave up out of this gym tonight, But you're

645
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: gonna know who number three is two. And that's just

646
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: how I approached it, you know what I mean. Because

647
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: once you don't have the confidence and bow down the

648
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: battle was already lost. You're in trouble. Go ahead, and

649
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: in trouble from step on the floor, I'm disagreeing with him.

650
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like confidence is everything, you

651
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you could have you can

652
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: have it all. But if you don't believe in yourself,

653
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it don't matter, right Shan

654
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: and I thought I thought we were a super team.

655
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: That's that's how I believe in myself. Because I'm saying,

656
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: you put four other pros with me, why can't we

657
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: beat anybody? Right? The pros I'm on the floor right

658
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: and like you got jan they believed in me right well,

659
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: they felt like every night in that FOXO as long

660
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: as they saw me and that fox so we had

661
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: a chance to win. Hey, I think that I felt. Hey,

662
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody knows what you did on the court. But you

663
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: also changed the rule because you had everybody coming. If

664
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: they wearing one hundred and fifty pounds, they were wearing

665
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: a T shirt that was fit shot, they were wearing

666
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: jeans that would foot calm alone. You started that. You

667
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: started the car rolls. Nobody was had corn rolls, nobody

668
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: was tapping teammates. My teammates hated me for that they

669
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: were going to big and small and I would get

670
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: there before them and buy up all of this stuff

671
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: so they understand all the biggause I would buy all

672
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: this up them from from big and tall. And I

673
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: was just I didn't never think that I was doing

674
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. I was dressing like the guys from my neighborhood.

675
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: It was just it was just at some point it

676
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: turned from Levi's to jabowls and guests and all, you know,

677
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: because I could afford it, right, you know what I mean.

678
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: And and and I was getting beat down a lot.

679
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of bitter sweet because if

680
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: you look at today's game in every sport, you know,

681
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: you see guys dressing and and and looking the way

682
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: they want to look. You know, some people can disrespect

683
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: it and it might not be there. Look, but people comfortable,

684
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: they supposed to be able to come to work comfortable.

685
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Right And and like for me, I never went to

686
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: the basketball court when I was growing up in a suit.

687
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I wear them down because

688
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: because you know, my my, my lady, like when I

689
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: wear seats. But back then for me, I was I

690
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: didn't mean anything by it or any thing like that.

691
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I was being meet right, and I felt like, that's

692
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: what's wrong with being you. Everybody else taken up? So

693
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: when when? So? When when the commissioner? When the commissioner

694
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: changed the rule, even though he didn't say it was

695
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the Allen Iverson rule. You gotta work through you, the

696
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: sporting codes and things of that nature. No oversized T shirt,

697
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: no football jeans size fifty when your size thirty two.

698
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: One way through your gods. May he rest in peace.

699
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I love him to death because we became real We

700
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: we became real good friends towards the end of my career.

701
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: And I just remember going in there to meet him

702
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: about that dress code situation. Shannon Man and I had

703
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: on all baseball and baseball get you know what I mean,

704
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: And he said something I think I had on the

705
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Indian stuff, and he was like, what's you know, what's

706
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: over this major league baseball stuff you got on? And

707
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's just clothes, you know what I mean?

708
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: And I said, and I'm meet meeting And I thought

709
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: I may have been in there thirty minutes, and it

710
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: seemed like I was in there getting chastise for hours,

711
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: and I really felt like they changed that rule because

712
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, once everybody seeing that I was dressing like that,

713
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: guys were like, with damn, that's how you know. I

714
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: want to dress how I feel? Yeah, where was we

715
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: going afterwards? After afterward, Shannon, you know we're going from

716
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: them and go right to the club, right up to

717
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: the club. So you you were that bridge because everybody

718
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: saw Michael Jordan footing and mooded. He had a shot,

719
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: he had a food on, he had the tie on

720
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: the nice gate of the nice shoes. Okay, Michael Jordan.

721
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: And then Ai comes along in ninety six and he

722
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: got on four ex T shirt in food boo and

723
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: he taged it up. They're like, well, hold on, I

724
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: want to be like this. This is more comfortable than

725
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: being like that. It's not the it's it's not the

726
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: it's not the it's not the clothes, right, you know,

727
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: just like when a guy when when some guys you

728
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: you ever seen reservoir dogs, ye, when they robbed the

729
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: jewelry store or anybody go robs and banks, they don't

730
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: never have on sweatpants and and and Jane and they

731
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: come in there with soups on. You know what I mean,

732
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: it's the stereotype. It don't matter, it's it's it's inside

733
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 1: the clothes. Right there, you go, You know what I mean?

734
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: Do you understand it's the but you started? You started

735
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: the sleeve. Wasn't nobody wearing no sleeves? You starting to sleeve?

736
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, why you got done? Or I'm like, what's

737
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: what's wrong? White? That was was the sleeve? Was it

738
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: just a fashion statement or did you actually need to sleeve?

739
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 1: It was a It was a it was an injury

740
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: and I had just got surgery on my elbow. It

741
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: was an injury and I have I don't know if

742
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: the remember the cloth that they used to have the

743
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: training room, but yeah, they put it over there. They're

744
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: cutting and put it over you unique to keep down

745
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: swelling the things. Yeah, you go. And then I just said, okay,

746
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: won't y'all just make me want right? And then it started.

747
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: It's so popular and I love it now, like I

748
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: love seeing guys in different sports, you know, have them

749
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: on and whatever. Some guys women don't even be injured. Right.

750
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: One time I was watching the r. Kelly video and

751
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: the man had it on in the video, Man Kelly

752
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: want to fell off the stage and hurt itself. Something

753
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: the man gotta sleep on in the video a fashion

754
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: and I was really hurt. Then I had to wear

755
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: end up turning to sleep into a fashion man. And

756
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: today when I look back on it, it's so cool.

757
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: You see high school players, college players wearing it, even

758
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: you know, dudes wearing rec league football. I just think

759
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: it's I just think it's so cool and it's a blessing. Man.

760
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: I'm ask both of you this, who do you think

761
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: had the best draft class. We're gonna start with ninety

762
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: six AI use the number one pick, Kobe Ray, Allen,

763
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neil, Stephan Maulbury, eighty four, Jordan's Barkley Malone,

764
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Sam Perkins, and then in two thousand and three you

765
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: got Lebron, Wade Mellow and Bosh, Hey, I you up first.

766
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: First of all, Shannon, you already gave you already. Uh,

767
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: you already said the best draft class because when you

768
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: named Dolls, look how many players you name and then

769
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: you forget you got Lorenzen right. Did you did you

770
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: say did you say Karrie Kiddles No, I didn't say

771
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: care Kidder. Did you say Marcus Canby, Nope, did you

772
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: say Jay Wallace? Nope? Swinn Walker, Man, did you say

773
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: I think you said Steve Nash Say, yeah, you Kobe

774
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: ray Allen, Steve Nash, Stepan Marbury, Jermaine O'Neil, Derek Fisher.

775
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, But here's the thing. You

776
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: Kobe ray Allen, Steve Nash made the hall. Jordan Stopton, Barkley,

777
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: Eli Juan made the hall. Broun Way eight, mellow boss

778
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: will make the haul. I don't know, I don't know.

779
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Al, you're a little too smart. I

780
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: knew you make me wrong because if that because that

781
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: was very valid right there. I'm i that one that

782
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: was good. That was good. What do you think I happened?

783
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking you you was gonna know that that we

784
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: had so many good players and all star players in there,

785
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: but then you had to throw that Hall of Fame

786
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: thing out there. Yeah, I like that one, you get

787
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: what what do you think of that? Man? I'm gonna go,

788
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go ninety six. You I

789
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: like I like that? Yeah, I mean I think for

790
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: me like that was my error. You know what I'm saying,

791
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: and they was just like, those are the dudes that

792
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: I looked up to. You know what I'm saying. If

793
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: I came into the game late, right, you know, so

794
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: for me ninety six, I would say those guys have

795
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: or an impact on the way I played the game

796
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: than any of those other classes. Hey, I if you

797
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: were playing with me when you got, when you got,

798
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: when you got, see when you it's hard man, when

799
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: you got. And I'm not taking nothing away from Dwayne

800
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: and Mellow because I love him guys on and off

801
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: the court. But in the same thing with LII, Juan

802
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: and Mike. When you put Lebron in the class you

803
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: got Mike, they take you about four or five spots

804
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: by himself exactly exactly cold months. Hey, if you if

805
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: you were playing in today's game, with the way the

806
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: rules are now, with no hand checking, with all the

807
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 1: space on the floor, at your prime, at your peak,

808
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: how many points do you think you could average the game?

809
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: People ask me this, and it sounds so arrogant, but

810
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: it's the truth, the way they play now, and it's

811
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: so wide open. Definitely more than my highest average, So

812
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: I think I have it most average. And the season

813
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: was like thirty three thirty three five something, and I

814
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: lost the scoring title that year to the mumble was

815
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: that for me to lose a title? And I'm averaging

816
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: thirty three, but definitely more than my highest average because

817
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's too wide open, and and with the

818
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: with the floor spaced out like it is now, it

819
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: would have been harder to to to double team me

820
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: like they was. And and I don't know, but you

821
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: still now you can they can sit You can sit

822
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: in his own catch. Yeah, I thought I would think

823
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: that it would be harder for me. Like when I

824
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: was in college. All my teammates you used to say, man,

825
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: well you know you're gonna have it good being that

826
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: you you don't have to deal with no more two threes,

827
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: one three ones, no more boxing ones, you know what

828
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean. They're gonna have to play your head up,

829
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, night in and night out for forty eight minutes.

830
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: And then ironically was somehow, all of a sudden, when

831
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: I started winning a couple of scoring titles and this

832
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: dude six feet, one hundred and sixty five pounds, you

833
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: can't stop them. Then all of a sudden, the zone

834
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: came into the zone in the NBA. Man, Yeah, they

835
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: jump in never play zone in the NBA. So I

836
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: think that was some type of conspiracy. Man, that's how

837
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: many points? How many points? Because there a lot of

838
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: people say if the heat havage forty heat having fifty

839
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: average sixty, how many points do you think Jordan could

840
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: average it Today's NBA? What's the most he ever havaged?

841
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: Thirty seven? Thirty seven? One? All right? So forty easy,

842
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: forty easy? Forty forty easy? Yeah, forty easy, like like

843
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: forty easy, forty would be easy for black Jesus because

844
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Harden I think hardened, hardened a couple of years ago

845
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: average thirty six. So you go, So you figured Jorin

846
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: could average forty with no problem. I'm man sharing it

847
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: like it's when I talk about him, it's different man

848
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: and a lot of clowns. A lot of times it's

849
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: by because I love him so much. Like if if

850
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have had the vision,

851
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be the Allen iverson the basketball player today

852
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for him, you know what I mean?

853
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: So I feel and plus he was he was he

854
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: was the best to me, you know what I mean?

855
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: I think I think, I definitely think he was the best.

856
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: And and I don't put Lebron in the conversation because

857
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I I love him so much as a as a

858
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: person and as a and as a basketball player. You

859
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's real, real personal. Whenever, then

860
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan don't have the personal relationship like me and Lebron. Lebron, right,

861
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: but those three Lebron, Mike and Kobe. I never seen

862
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: nothing better. I never seen I never seen him player

863
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: better than those three, I might ask both of you guys.

864
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: And you add to that. When he had when he

865
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: averaged thirty seven, he was doing it with twos. It

866
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even know they weren't. They weren't shooting three pointers

867
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: like how they shooting now. You know what I'm saying

868
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: is just just imagine if Michael like decided to shoot

869
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: six seven threes a game like they do now, like

870
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: forty would have been easy. Oh, no question, I didn't

871
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: even think. I didn't think about it that well. Let

872
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: me ask you a question. When you first met Michael Jordan,

873
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: both of you guys, what was it like to meet

874
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: him for the very first time? You go ahead out,

875
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: So for me, the first time was actually seeing him

876
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: on the court and with the Wizards, okay or whatever. So, uh,

877
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: it was just in the game, and you know that game,

878
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: I actually had a good game, and you know, he

879
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: started talking, you know, he called everybody a hope. So

880
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: finally I got to the point where, like, you know,

881
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I know it's Michael Jordan. I'm like, damn, well, you

882
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: can keep calling me a hole. He like you a hole.

883
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm liked me a little bitch. So I had to

884
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: wear it. But after that game, you know, after that

885
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: game went to overtime, and uh, I had thirty five

886
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: that game he had forty one and they won the game.

887
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: And after the game, he signed some shoes and sent

888
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: it to me. After the game, it was like best

889
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: best wishes, keep playing hard and all that. And I hadn't.

890
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even ask him for him So for me,

891
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, obviously, you know, I grew

892
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: up a Nick fan, but obviously everybody you gotta like

893
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan at the end of the day. You know,

894
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: it was just it was, you know, it was a

895
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: surreal moment for me. But at the same time, you know,

896
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I went out there and I could he need against

897
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: it to show. Yeah. First, first of all, I was

898
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: a Bulls fan coming up because of him. But while

899
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: he was in the league, man, I mean I hated

900
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: the Bulls more than any team in that league. I

901
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: hated the Bulls, you know what I mean, Like once

902
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: I got into the league and you know, heard the

903
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: way they talked to us, and like they knew, they

904
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: knew they was at the top of the mountain. And man,

905
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: I never forget my first time. I talked about it

906
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: in my Hall of Fame speech, and I you know,

907
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't lying at all. Man, he didn't look real

908
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: to me, like, you know, I know I was started up.

909
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: I know I was start shtruck because, like I said,

910
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I talked about the Charlie Murphy Hollywood stories, and he

911
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: talked about Rick James and how Rick James walked in

912
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: the room and he saw it like the orange like

913
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: it's or yeah you know what I mean, Yeah, I

914
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: saw that. Like I looked at that man and he

915
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't look human toil me. You know, I'm looking at

916
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: him like, damn, he got on the you know, he

917
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: got on the Jordan's you know, he don't even have

918
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: on the NBA socks. You know, I'm looking at his

919
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: his knee brais you know, on his ship, and I

920
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: was like, man, it's him, you know what I mean.

921
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: And they teased me before the game because they was like,

922
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: you're not gonna play your game because you know Mike

923
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: on the floor, your idol gonna be out there on

924
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: the floor. You're not gonna play your game. And like

925
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: and I was. I was, I would start struck. But

926
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: when that ball went up and somebody hand touched it,

927
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: it just went away. You know what I mean. Was

928
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: showtime time to dance. That's what I tell people. The

929
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: very first time I met him, I was on an elevator.

930
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: He was on there with his as his first wife Nita,

931
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: back in Atlanta the Super Bowl, and I'm looking at

932
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: him and he probably looking at me like this, dude,

933
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: where I know who he is? He like, but he

934
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: looked at it. He looking at me like I was like,

935
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: he like he would levitating. He didn't look real. I like, man,

936
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: it was like it was like I'm talking about It's

937
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: the closest thing. You know in the Bible they talk

938
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: about how the disciples they saw they saw in the black.

939
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: He don't even look to this day. Every time I

940
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: see him, he don't look real. I've never I've never

941
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: been like that with a man before in my life,

942
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: and I've met some big times. I've seen family jail

943
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Man from Samuel Jackson, Lero and shot Kobe. But then hell,

944
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, he'll apart. He ain't real.

945
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you. I'm right, I understand exactly

946
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: how you feel. The only time that I had experience

947
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: like that is I was coming in from an All

948
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: Star I was coming in from somewhere at an All

949
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: Star game, and everybody walked up to me. They was

950
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: exciting because everybody didn't know how I feel about Michael Jackson,

951
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: anybody that know, Like before the games and all that,

952
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: I listened Mike, you know what I mean, Like I

953
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: gotta get up by listening to Mike. And he walked

954
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: and he walked in the hotel and I came in after,

955
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, Chuck Jordan, I mean, Michael Jackson

956
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: just came here, and I felt faint, man, And I

957
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: was so happy that I see him because I thought

958
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna be all on the internet or whatever,

959
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: you know, Like I thought I was gonna really pass

960
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: out like one of them fans, you know what I mean, Like,

961
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: that's how much I love that man. Man, And I

962
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: didn't even see him, and I felt I was a

963
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: song he felt. I felt faint, bruh. And I understand.

964
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, now I understand what them fans be

965
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: going through when they sing him, because you know, Mike,

966
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: you jump on the stage and don't say nothing for

967
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: a few minutes, and everybody just know this man. They

968
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: started singing. Yeah, he say, let a simmer. He said,

969
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna say that. He just come on the stage.

970
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: He just standing. He say, let a simmer. You let

971
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: that man. Yeah, they don't just keep it foking, just

972
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: let it simmer. Obviously, when you when you grow up,

973
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: like when you grow up, like we grow up, we

974
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: all bit, you know, we all dreamed when I Miami.

975
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: Advice was huge when I was growing up, and I

976
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: just remember saying, I'm gonna get me some money. I'm

977
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna get me a Ferrari, I'm gonna get me a

978
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: roll Lex, I'm gonna get imna. I'm gonna be I'm

979
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: gonna be cracking in tubs. I'm gonna be dressing like that.

980
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: What's some of the white when you were growing up.

981
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: What was some of the things they go now that

982
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: you was like, when I get me some money, Oh

983
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm getting that, yeah, chuck man. Me and my mom,

984
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: Me and my mom was always me and my mom

985
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: was like I don't know, since I can remember five

986
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: six years old, five years five and six years old, man,

987
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,479
Speaker 1: my mom was always infactuated with jewelry. Okay, always since

988
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: I was a since I was a small kid, five

989
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: six years old. Now, I remember being at Georgetown and

990
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: uh Tupac, well, it was it all. I was on

991
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: me ye where he had the jewelry lex and all that,

992
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: and I remember that album covered and I was I

993
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: was telling my teammates like, you know, when I get drafted,

994
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's one of the things

995
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get, you know what. I'm give me a Rolex,

996
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give me some jewelry, like like Tupac.

997
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: And I think even like buying my mom a crib.

998
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: I think that was the obviously that was the best,

999
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, for me in my own but even with

1000
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: all the cars and all that, like that was the

1001
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: best of me for that moment right there, you know,

1002
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: for to be so young and always loved jewelry like that,

1003
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: and to be able to afford it, to get whatever

1004
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: I wanted and get my mom whatever she wanted, you know,

1005
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: because we were so infactuated with jewelry. That was it.

1006
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: That was it for me, and for me it was

1007
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: it was. It was a bins always. I just always wanted.

1008
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: I always wanted the bins Man. And you know, obviously

1009
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: I didn't go I didn't get drafted as high as

1010
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to. So my first bins I got was

1011
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: a CLK four thirty. That was the small, that was

1012
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: the small, too thor And I'll never forget that I

1013
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: got it when I played that season. I bought it

1014
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: home for the summer and I went to see Hall

1015
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, I'm stunting on the campus and I

1016
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: pull up in my old high school point guard named

1017
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Shaheen Holloway. I pull up and I get out. He's like,

1018
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: your big asses got out, that little ass, hey out. Listen.

1019
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: Let me see it. Let me let me see if

1020
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: you if you had this moment when you first got it,

1021
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: when you first got it, was you nervous in it,

1022
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: driving away like you thought you was gonna wreck it

1023
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: or something Hell yeah, bro, I couldn't even get out

1024
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: the drop. It was crazy, just throw different. Hey, I

1025
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna wreck. I was driving. I'm talking

1026
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: about straight up driving, Miss Daisy Man. I have both

1027
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: hands on the wheel. See, pushed all the way up

1028
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: one no cool, laid it back and all that. I

1029
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: was so scared. I was that I had never been

1030
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: in the best before. You know what I mean, Hey,

1031
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you here. We're gonna get you out

1032
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: of here on this. We can't let you go. You

1033
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: say you was you was in awe of Jordan. But

1034
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: you cross that man up? How you gonna cross that

1035
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: man up? And then talk about you at all him

1036
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: in the same breath. Okay, Because Shannon, the guy that

1037
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: taught me to cross over to walk on at a

1038
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: walk on at Georgetown and he never never played, never

1039
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: got in the game, but he don't want to, you know,

1040
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: taught me to move because he used to hit me

1041
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: with it at practice all the time, and my ego,

1042
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: I just put it to the side and said, look, man,

1043
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: you gotta teach me that. You gotta gotta teach me

1044
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: the movie called me to move. And I used to

1045
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: always remember telling my family and my friends, my teammates,

1046
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: like if I got the opportunity that I was gonna

1047
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: try my move against the best player that I've ever

1048
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: seen play the game, and it just I'll never forget

1049
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: the moment, obviously, but I always to hear that voice

1050
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: in my head when Phil Jackson said, Michael on the

1051
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: switch and he stepped out, and I was like, Okay,

1052
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: he a the moment, and I'm not gonna be scared

1053
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: of it, you know what I mean. I said, I

1054
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: was gonna do what I was gonna do, so I'm

1055
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: gonna try. So when I tried the little and he

1056
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: bet on the little one, that's when I said, oh yeah,

1057
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Speaker 1: he bet on a little When you said when I

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Speaker 1: come up, he told me. One day I went to

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Speaker 1: a I went to a I went to a shotte

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Speaker 1: because I live in Sharotte, so I went to a

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Speaker 1: shootte horn his game and uh, he had me come

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Speaker 1: in and we're in the back and me and him

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Speaker 1: just you know, sitting back and drinking and reminiscent or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I love you, man, and

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Speaker 1: he was like, you don't love me a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Like man, and everybody in the room just bust out laughing. Man,

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Speaker 1: it was crazy. Hey, congratulations al all, just a was

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Speaker 1: just a cast there washing he cast a. Yeah, that's all.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations man, Biolos doing big things. Congratulations on the business, Ai,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on the partnership. Hell of a career. Hell of

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Speaker 1: a career for both of you, guys. Thanks for stopping

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Speaker 1: by a club shah and give me a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes of your time. Thanks man, love, appreciate it. All

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Speaker 1: my life and grinding all my life sacrifice hustle back

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Speaker 1: price one a slice, got the Broner dice to swap

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Speaker 1: all my life. I've been grinding all my life, all

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Speaker 1: my life, the grinding all my life sacrifice, hustle back price,

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Speaker 1: one a slice, got the Brola dice to swap all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding in all my life.