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Speaker 1: Fish Fights Podcast. I'm your host, Arum Layton. It's been

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Speaker 1: a while. I am finally happy to be back. Sorry

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Speaker 1: I was gone for so long, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: worth the wait now as I have Burke Ranger of

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Speaker 1: twenty eighty Baseball. Of course, Burke, you focus on the draft,

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Speaker 1: and we have the drafts sneaking up on us a

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Speaker 1: little bit in June. I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about last year's draft, of course, and this year's draft.

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Speaker 1: Get as you guys just released that mock draft at

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Speaker 1: twenty eighty Baseball. So Burke, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having us, having me on. This is

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Speaker 2: an exciting time of the year. It's a little hectic.

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Speaker 2: We're like a month out from the draft, and every

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Speaker 2: time I say that, I give myself a little anxiety

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Speaker 2: because there's so much work to do in the next

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Speaker 1: It's crazy how fast it's snuck up on us here

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Speaker 1: because I feel like we were just talking about last

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Speaker 1: year's draft with the guys like Connor Scott and Will

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Speaker 1: Banfield and those guys, I feel like they just are

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Speaker 1: getting their feet wet, which they are. But here we

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Speaker 1: are in another cycle, which you've been doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of coverage on, and you guys, like I said before,

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Speaker 1: just released a mock draft where you had the Marlins

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Speaker 1: taking CJ. Abrams fourth, which we'll get into. I want

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Speaker 1: to start off now, though, talking about last year's draft.

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Speaker 1: You told me off the air that you've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of the guys that the Marlins took early, pretty extensively,

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Speaker 1: And of course I want to start with the marlins

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Speaker 1: first selection in the draft, the high school hitter Connor Scott.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of that pick there? I know

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Speaker 1: some people are already I know, hindsight's twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: it's hard to make a judgment this early, But when

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Speaker 1: they made the pick in that time, can you remember

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Speaker 1: what you thought of that pick at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yes. So I think both those picks, both their first

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Speaker 2: two picks, were kind of high risk, high reward type picks,

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Speaker 2: So Scott missed some some time over the summer leading

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Speaker 2: so he wasn't at all the showcase events, but he

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Speaker 2: had a lot of talent, and that was evident at

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Speaker 2: the ones that he did participate in. So his carrying

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Speaker 2: tool is his plus to double plus speed. He was

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Speaker 2: He doesn't wear batting gloves. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: he has feel for the barrel and a line drive swing.

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Speaker 2: It's there's some length in the swing, but he's able

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Speaker 2: than not. So he's he flashed average role power during

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Speaker 2: the showcase circuit. I think he has room to to

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Speaker 2: he had, had good arm strength. He used to be

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Speaker 2: he's gotten any any better with the bat. I did

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Speaker 2: see checking in with with Adam macinter of our pro

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Speaker 1: And Adam's the guy I've actually had on the show

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Speaker 1: but he does just look blatantly overmatched right now in

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Speaker 2: I didn't mind the pick. I do think he's high risk,

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Speaker 2: advanced catcher, advanced receiver at the high school level. He

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Speaker 2: He moved really well behind the dish. He had a

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Speaker 2: it's really hard for someone to learn the catching position

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Speaker 2: And I think we're seeing Banfield and pro ball swinging

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Speaker 2: So the pick of Scott itself, I don't think is

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Speaker 1: So it seems like they knew the state of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it would be Banfield only because the

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Speaker 1: And like you mentioned before, the Marlins were heavily linked

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Speaker 2: Gorman showed up to that. First of all, Gorman did

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Speaker 2: does and you're playing against high school competition, that's not

434
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Speaker 2: a bad strategy because it'll work out more times than not.

435
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Speaker 2: But it's it's not that I necessarily think it's intentional,

436
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Speaker 2: because when he gets the pro ball, that's certainly not

437
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Speaker 2: going to be a strategy that he can employ. There.

438
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Speaker 2: It happens when he gets caught out on his front

439
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: foot and he gets out of balance and he kind

440
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: of rolls over weak ground balls to second base. So

441
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: those are going to be outs and professional ball no

442
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 2: matter how fast you are. But between those various events

443
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Speaker 2: that I've seen him over the last ten to eleven months,

444
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: I know he can drive the ball. I've seen it.

445
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Speaker 2: I've seen the power. Power is never going to be

446
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: a strength of his, but to be an impactful Major leaguer,

447
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 2: he does need to drive the ball in the gaps

448
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 2: more often and let that speed really play. On the

449
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: basis he's capable of doing it. I've seen him do

450
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Speaker 2: it against premium velocity. He just needs to get to

451
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Speaker 2: it more often. And I'm confident that, like any decent

452
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Speaker 2: professional development professional player development department can bring that out

453
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Speaker 2: in him. So not really worried about it long term.

454
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Speaker 2: It is just kind of a head scratcher why it

455
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Speaker 2: happens in these showcase settings, and I just think it's

456
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Speaker 2: a matter of that timing not being synced up due

457
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Speaker 2: to the wide variance of the types of pitchers he's faced,

458
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Speaker 2: and so sometimes he will face ninety five. Sometimes he'll

459
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Speaker 2: face these guys throwing seventy miles per hour, even at

460
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Speaker 2: these premier showcase events, where yeah, you're going to be

461
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Speaker 2: out front on that when this guy's number one starter,

462
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: his fastball looks like a change up compared to Brendan Malone,

463
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Speaker 2: who you just faced in your previous start.

464
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Speaker 1: And did he show any struggles with catching up to

465
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Speaker 1: that midnight and he's fastball from when you saw him.

466
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Speaker 1: If you've got much of a sample size of that.

467
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've gotten a good, good sample of it, and

468
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Speaker 2: he doesn't. He's got very quick hands. I think he

469
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: does better when he's facing better velocity. I think where

470
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: he's where he's struggling and rolling over balls is getting

471
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Speaker 2: getting caught out front, particularly on off speed stuff against lefties.

472
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Speaker 2: So lefty on lefty I think could could be an

473
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Speaker 2: issue for him in pro ball, as it is for

474
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys. But it's getting caught out on

475
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: that front foot and rolling over a weak round ball

476
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: at a second base. That's where I see his weakness

477
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Speaker 2: or something he needs to work on.

478
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Speaker 1: And I feel like that might be almost a refreshing

479
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Speaker 1: issue for the Marlins to have with the prospect because

480
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Speaker 1: it seems like they have a lot of swing and

481
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Speaker 1: miss guys within the organization. Of course, we've seen as

482
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Speaker 1: Willis Princeton just got sent down. Monti Harrison is another

483
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Speaker 1: guy who they're really high on, but led all of

484
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Speaker 1: professional baseball and strikeouts last year. There's a lot of

485
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Speaker 1: swing miss guys throughout the organization, and it might it

486
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Speaker 1: might be refreshing to have a guy that puts the

487
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Speaker 1: bat on the ball and ultimately you have to work

488
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Speaker 1: on some other things. But yeah, you look at another

489
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Speaker 1: guy like Riley Green, he starts to fit that swing

490
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Speaker 1: and miss profile. I could guess that when we exchanged

491
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Speaker 1: some messages about some of the videos I saw just

492
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Speaker 1: from one at bat that I saw from him, he

493
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Speaker 1: seemed like he got very long. It seemed like he

494
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Speaker 1: had a lot of those typical issues you see from

495
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Speaker 1: a big high school hitter, and a lot of the

496
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Speaker 1: issues that you see with some of these guys like

497
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Speaker 1: Mani Harrison and Lewis Brinton. That seems like something the

498
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Speaker 1: Marlins might not need in their organization right now, another

499
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Speaker 1: high volume strikeout guy. But I'll let you tell me

500
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: what you think, because I could be off on this one.

501
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Obviously you've seen a lot more of him, and I'm

502
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Speaker 1: not trying to knock the kid down at all. Of course,

503
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: that's the hard part about this is these kids are

504
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: all extremely talented, but when it comes to using your

505
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: number four overall pick, you gotta be pretty nitpicky. And

506
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: what do you think of Riley Green and what are

507
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: your concerns and are those concerns impactful enough to where

508
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Speaker 1: you don't take a chance on him at four.

509
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Speaker 2: So, just like at Abrams, I have seen a ton

510
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 2: of green. He was at PG National, he was at

511
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Under Armor All American Game in Chicago, at Wrigley Field,

512
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: he was on the USA Baseball eighteen and Under team,

513
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: and then most recently at NHSI. He's got one of

514
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: the best hit tools in the high school class. The

515
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: left handed swing is so smooth. It's a natural uppercut

516
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: swing built to elevate. Now, there is some length in

517
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: the swing, for sure, but that plus bat speed helps

518
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: to mitigate and handling premium velocity. So premium velocity for

519
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: him hasn't been an issue that I've seen. Despite the

520
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: length in the swing, the ball jumps off the bat.

521
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: He's got great plate coverage to get the balls on

522
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: the outer half. He uses the whole field. I've seen

523
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Speaker 2: him just flip night the other way on a rope,

524
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: and then I've seen him punished mistakes on the inner

525
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: half for some of the longest home high school home

526
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: runs I've ever seen. It's plus raw power, and he

527
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: does get to it in games. In my recent view

528
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: at NHSI, he was just okay. Like I think he

529
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: went like three for thirteen, swung through a lot of

530
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: balls he should have hit. So it was frustrating to

531
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: see him not square up a ball that's eighty two

532
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: and just belt high. There was swing and miss more

533
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: than you would typically see for someone that you would

534
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: call the best high school bat in the class, like

535
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: like Jared Kellnick and Bryce Terrain didn't do that last year.

536
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: But as I mentioned earlier, Nolan Gorman did at NHSI

537
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 2: and then gets into pro ball and just Rakes. Now,

538
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: Green and Gorman are very different. But the point of

539
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Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say is that I'm not gonna

540
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna blast Green too much for this so

541
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Speaker 2: so viewing because I've because I've seen him great so

542
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: many times, and I'm sure I'm sure other and you know,

543
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: if I've seen him this many times and I'm just

544
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: a guy who works for a website, these scouting professional

545
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: and player development evaluators have seen him more often, so

546
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: they've gotten a sense for how good the bat could be.

547
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: Ridley Green's issues are more on the defensive side and

548
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: that you just don't know where he's going to play

549
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: as a pro. He plays center field for his high

550
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: school and does okay there, But he's kind of a

551
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: limited athlete. And I say that, and he stole like

552
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: five bases in this event, but most of them are

553
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: just taking advantage of below average college or high school

554
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: pitching and catching. He's got a blow average arm, so

555
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: his future is limited to a corner and it's most

556
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: likely left field or first base. He played some first

557
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: base for Team USA and looked very good there despite

558
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm sure never playing that position for his high school team.

559
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: They're not going to stick him at first, but it

560
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: might be where he ends up as a pro, and

561
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: then then he doesn't need to worry about holding his

562
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 2: weight down and he can he can develop into this

563
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: big slugger that I think he could end up being.

564
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: He's got a swing pass similar to like Cody Bellinger,

565
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: not nearly his athletic, but I think he has that

566
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: type of offensive ceiling.

567
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Speaker 1: So another question I'd have for you then, because you

568
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Speaker 1: guys say that it would probably be a little bit

569
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Speaker 1: of a reach. You know, there's still a little bit

570
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Speaker 1: of time but for the Marlins to take him at four,

571
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Speaker 1: But you guys did say in your mock draft that

572
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Speaker 1: he could be in play at five to the Tigers.

573
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Speaker 1: So we've seen some crazier things, right, And that's if

574
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Speaker 1: that's a guy that the Marlins like. I mean, you

575
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Speaker 1: almost just sold me on them now when I was

576
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Speaker 1: saying before that there's some concerns I have with his

577
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: swing and miss. But if you're saying he's driving the

578
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: ball over the field, that's something that is pretty advanced

579
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Speaker 1: for a power hitter at the high school level to

580
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Speaker 1: be able to flip ninety five over the shortstop's head.

581
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Speaker 1: So that's something that could run into a really impressive

582
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: hit tool, like you said. But going back to Abrams

583
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Speaker 1: at four, if you're the Marlins, why take CJ. Abrams

584
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: over Bryson stott a guy that's proven to absolutely rake

585
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Speaker 1: at the college level. The only reason I'm asking this

586
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: is because we're talking about those volatile lottery ticket type picks.

587
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying CJ. Abrams is as much of a

588
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: lottery ticket as some of the picks last year. But

589
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying Bryson Stotts can't miss. But it

590
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: seems like, you know, you have a little bit more

591
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: of a higher floor with a college bat that's proven

592
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Speaker 1: to be able to hit the ball at the pretty

593
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: high level in college, So why do you take a

594
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: guy like Abrams at four over Bryson Stott like you

595
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: guys have slated in this mock draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I think it's important to note for

597
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: this first iteration of our mock draft, we split these

598
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Speaker 2: teams up between Nick Filaris and myself. You and I

599
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: do the amateur coverage for twenty eighty Baseball, and this

600
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: first one we're not necessarily going on information that we're

601
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: getting from any teams or agents or any insight sources.

602
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: It's it's who we would pick if we were them.

603
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: So Nick and I are constantly evaluating and ranking our

604
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: top prospects for this draft. So it's who we would

605
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: pick if we were the general manager in that draft room,

606
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: that scouting director, combined with kind of some tendencies that

607
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: we've seen from the team. So a lot that has

608
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: played in to Abrams being linked to the Marlins has

609
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: to do with the guys they picked last year and

610
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: them going for upside. So to your point, I think

611
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Speaker 2: if it if it comes down to June and their

612
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: draftees from last year are still struggling, it's potential they

613
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: could find some perceived safety in a college battle. Stot

614
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: for Nick and I, we we do like Abrams a

615
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: tick higher than Stot, but they're in the same tier.

616
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Like there, we consider in both top ten picks. So

617
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Speaker 2: if they want to, if they want to go for

618
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: a little bit safer pick, I think Stott would potentially

619
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Speaker 2: fit that profile. He doesn't have a true stand out

620
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 2: like seventy to eighty grade tool like Abrams does with

621
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Speaker 2: his speed, And it's also important to note defensively, I

622
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Speaker 2: think there's a better than average chance that Abrams ends

623
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Speaker 2: up in center fields. He's a good shortstop. He's a

624
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: decent shortstop, but I've seen him play center field and

625
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: I think the wheels play up more out there. I

626
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: think they get more value out of him. It is

627
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: athletic system because he runs down balls so well. He's

628
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: not as fast as like a Billy Hamilton type, But

629
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Speaker 2: Hamilton was also a prep shortstop and made the move

630
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Speaker 2: to center field, so it's easy to kind of envision

631
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Speaker 2: that similar move for Abrams. When I've seen Abrams play

632
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: center field for USA base Fall eighteen and under, and

633
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: he'd he did that so Bobby Witt Junior could play

634
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: short shortstop. Abrams was pretty instinctual out there, and he's

635
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: just athletic enough that that he can run down balls

636
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: and any gap. He got good jumps off the bat,

637
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: so I think that there's potential that he could go there.

638
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily an apples to apples comparison, but

639
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: if they are looking for a shortstop, I'm sure Scott

640
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: would be in played.

641
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: Well. That's the big thing for me is the Marlins.

642
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, not that you're trying to plan out your

643
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: future starting nine when you're you know, this deep into

644
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: a rebuild, but when you look at the Marlins top

645
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: thirty prospects, none of them really point towards any of

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Speaker 1: them being a starting shortstop for the Marlins in a

647
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: few years. And I think they need they need that

648
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: starting shortstop prospect to kind of just be that cornerstone

649
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: for them because other than Osarah Johnson, who a lot

650
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: of people think likely won't stay at shortstop, they really

651
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: don't have anyone else. And you had mentioned in your

652
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: write up that that Stott is already a pretty steady defender,

653
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: so I don't think there's any question that he's going

654
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: to stay at short stop. The Marlins do have a

655
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: decent amount of outfield prospects already with Victor Victor Mesa.

656
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Of course, Connor Scott, you got Monti Harrison. We'll see

657
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: what happens with Lewis Brinson. So I think a shortstop

658
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: would be the right pick there. But like you said,

659
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: if the tools just become too tantalizing for the Marlins

660
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: to pass up on, it could make sense. But I

661
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: also wanted to ask you about I don't want to.

662
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't want people to forget that the Marlins have

663
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: basically another first round pick. Yeah, with the early compensation pick,

664
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: you have the Marlins taking Hunter Barco, left handed high

665
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: school pitcher at thirty five in the competitive balance round.

666
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: He was a guy that people were hyping up to

667
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: me potentially, if I'm not mistaken, a mid first round

668
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: pick when we were going into this draft cycle, if

669
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, But now he's fallen back a little

670
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: bit with some of his issues on the mound, with

671
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: some of his stuff, I think you could probably hit

672
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: on this a little better than I can. But if

673
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm not, I think I remember him having some issues

674
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: with his stuff and people were a little underwhelmed with

675
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: some higher expectations. But is that a guy that you've

676
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: seen much and do you think that could be a

677
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: steal for the Marwins at thirty five.

678
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen him a couple of times, and he's

679
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: one of these guys who he entered the draft cycle

680
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: as a really highly regarded name. And it's due to

681
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: like what happens, because there are other groups like there's

682
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: my friends over at Perfect Game of seeing this guy.

683
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: They've seen Barco, and these guys pitch when they're in

684
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: they're fourteen years old, fifteen years old in other tournaments,

685
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: they're evaluating all the way up. I only start to

686
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: see them really leading up to their draft years. So

687
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: I knew about Barco because he had a really impressive

688
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: performance in Jupiter like two years ago, and he was

689
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: highly regarded as one of the top guys in this

690
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: draft class. And then the first time I saw him

691
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: over the summer, the stuff was kind of underwhelming. He

692
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: was like eighty eight to ninety maybe touch ninety one.

693
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: The secondary stuff was was okay. The command was just

694
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: not there. He had he had a good splitter that

695
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: he would flash. The body language candidly, just wasn't that

696
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: good on the Mound either, and I got similar feedback

697
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: from other people who saw him at other events. I

698
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: saw him one other time at the under Armoor game

699
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: at erick Ley Field and didn't get a great didn't

700
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: get a great feel for him then either, But the

701
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: stuff reportedly has been better over the spring. The velocity

702
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: has ticked up a little bit, as has the command,

703
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: so he's kind of climbing up boards again and again

704
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: I viewed this as an upside pick where you're getting

705
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: someone who at one point was regarded as one of

706
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: the top prep arms in the class, and I guess

707
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 2: he still is. We're talking about the top six or

708
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: eight prep prep arms in the class and he's he's

709
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: in that conversation. So yeah, I think that's why we're

710
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: seeing him tick up this year. So some of my

711
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: concerns in the past were, like, he's this. It always

712
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: is kind of a head scratcher when you see someone

713
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: who's like six' four but throws from like a low

714
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: three quarters, delivery like to negate that. Plane you just

715
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: want him to go a little bit more over the

716
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: top and work. Downhill barco doesn't do. That it's like

717
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: it's not A Criss saale. Delivery but it's a low

718
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: three quarter delivery now that can still create some tough

719
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: angles when he's busting people into busting right handed hitters

720
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 2: inside and it really makes that, splitter that split change.

721
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: Up he throws a really effective outpitch when it's. On

722
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: so but to do that you need to establish your,

723
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: fastball and it sounds like that's what he's done a

724
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: better job of the.

725
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: Spring, well speaking of high level prep arms that are

726
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: starting to rise a little, bit but Actually Carter stort.

727
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: DROPPED i was gonna ask you About Carter stort because

728
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: you have him going next pick to The rays in

729
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: The Competitive. Balance he was selected last year eighth, overall

730
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: ends up not signing and now he's At Eastern Florida Junior,

731
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: COLLEGE i. Believe and he's another guy that's was really

732
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: high on boards and he's underwhelmed a little bit right

733
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: with his ability to spot up in some of his

734
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: stuff isn't quite as electric as people thought it was.

735
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: Before would he be a higher upside guy to take

736
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: in The Competitive balance? Round IF i, mean The braves

737
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: were willing to spend their eighth pick on this, guy

738
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: and we're not even a year removed from, that and

739
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: he's fallen all the way to thirty. Six is there

740
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: more reason for The marlins to take a shot at

741
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: him at thirty? Five and what do you think of that?

742
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: Pick, Yeah so for those that don't Know Carter stewart

743
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: and the saga behind. That so The braves took him eighth.

744
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: Overall in high, school he was like setting track man

745
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: records for the best spin rate on a curve ball ever.

746
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: Recorded now that technology is only a few years, old

747
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: but still that's not just be ever recorded at the

748
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 2: high school. Level that's best ever recorded all the way

749
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 2: up to The Major. League so the highest spin rate

750
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: on a curveball Was Carter stewart at the, time he

751
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: was eighteen years. Old so he gets picked eighth. Overall

752
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: in the physical pops up some troubling medical information about his.

753
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: Wrist so your wrist is very important when you're throwing a.

754
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: Curveball so they offered HIM i think it was like

755
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: forty of what the recommended slot was for that that,

756
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: deal and he turned it, down taking a gamble on,

757
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: himself and instead of going to a four year school

758
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: that he was committed, to which Was Mississippi, state he

759
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: goes to a junior, college so he can be draft

760
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: eligible again this. Year and here's where we. Are so

761
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: he enters this season as the top junior college. Player

762
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: but he's just been up and down over the. Spring

763
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: like sometimes he'll show flashes of what he showed last,

764
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: year including that that devastating. Curveball times he's just he's

765
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 2: just it's not. There the command isn't. There the fastball

766
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: velocity hasn't always been. Consistent sometimes it's down in the

767
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 2: low nineties and not maintaining throughout the. Start he has

768
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: developed a slider more recently that he's he's been throwing

769
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: in his most recent. START i think before we did

770
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: this exercise he looked pretty good again based on what we've.

771
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Heard so he is kind of a wild. Card it's

772
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: extremely risky given the medical and given the up and down,

773
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: performance but that upside of a potential top ten pick

774
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: like he showed last year is still. There and LIKE i,

775
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: said he's still. Young he's nineteen years. Old so, yeah

776
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: if that fits The marlins risk profile or anyone else

777
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: picking in this, spot it would make sense we Took

778
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: we sent him to the race because The rays have

779
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: like three picks in the first, round a large bonus

780
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: pool and the ability to kind of take a take a.

781
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: Risk but you, know The marlins fit that, too having

782
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 2: having multiple picks and then an early pick in round.

783
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: Two and how much do you think that risk has to?

784
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Do is it still lingering maybe with with some of

785
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: the issues he's having on the, mountain with the stuff

786
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: not being quite as sharp as it was.

787
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 2: Before AND i don't, know BECAUSE i don't even know

788
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: if it ever was something that bothered him or is

789
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: just something that only showed up in the in the

790
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: post draft physical because it was not something that any

791
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: of us ever heard of in the spring leading up

792
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: to the. Draft it was only something that popped. Up

793
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: and sometimes these things pop up in AN MRI mri

794
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: THAT i have never bothered the.

795
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Player and there's one other THING i wanted to kind

796
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: of ask you, about because they don't necessarily have to

797
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: use that pick on an, arm as some of some

798
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: of the arms have been impressing early on in The marlin.

799
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: System if that continues to happen through this calendar, month

800
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: As Braxing garrett And Trevor rodgers and some of these

801
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: guys continue to impress at the low, levels they could

802
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: use that pick on another. Bat, yeah who do you

803
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: think you could see going? There there's a GUY i

804
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: want to ask you about just BECAUSE i broadcasted for

805
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: THE ncbl last summer for The Newport, goals and the

806
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: guy that played for the team THAT i broadcasted, for

807
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: one of the most consistent hitters all, summer Was Cody,

808
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: Hosey AND i think he's a, really really interesting. Prospect

809
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: he was drafted because he was draft eligible as a

810
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: twenty one year, OLD i, believe so he was actually

811
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: selected last year, late opted to obviously return To tulane

812
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: and is having an absolutely absurd. YEAR i think he

813
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: has twenty one home runs, already unless he hit one

814
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: since the last TIME i, checked which would not be,

815
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: surprising and he's setting over four. Hundred he's never done

816
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: anything like this in the. PAST i, mean he was

817
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: really consistent all. Summer but if he told me he

818
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: would have hit twenty one home runs and the season's

819
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: not even gonna be over this, SUMMER i would have

820
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: told you were. Crazy so he's obviously a talented. Guy

821
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: is this just lightning in a? Bottle or is he

822
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: worth a chance at that early and maybe the thirty fifth?

823
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: PICK i think he's going to go this high or

824
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: in that range. Now and if you would Have i'm with,

825
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: You like if you told me entering this season that

826
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: he was A day one, guy, YEAH i would, say,

827
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: yeah he's potentially he could go at the end Of day.

828
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: One but now he's he's getting first round. Consideration because

829
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: as we get closer and closer these the draft. Teams you,

830
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: know it's easy for, me a guy on the, internet

831
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: even Though i've seen these guys That i'm evaluating him

832
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: And i'm being objective as, possible it's easy for me

833
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: to roll the dice and go for upside if my

834
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: job is depending on it as a scouting, director as A,

835
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: GM i would probably be feeling relative perceived safety in

836
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: a college bat with a proven track, Record and that's

837
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: What Cody hosy has. Done like he he's hitting four,

838
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: hundred he's leading the leading the nation in home runs

839
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: or tied WITH Jj bladay in balladet is going to

840
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: go in the first, Round so teams get more. Analytical

841
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: he's gonna light up any any analytical metric that you

842
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 2: evaluate him. By he's gonna show. Well SO i think

843
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: as long as this street continues and we're only what

844
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: four or five weeks left in the college baseball. SEASON

845
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: i do see him going in this. Range he's one

846
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: of these few peoples that few people on this mock

847
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: draft THAT i haven't, seen and it's because we prioritize

848
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: guys based on where we think they'll be in the,

849
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 2: class and he's not a guy WHO i thought would

850
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: be that be where he. Is but you've got to

851
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: respect what he's done so. Far so he's not a

852
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: guy that we've seen so this time of. Year with

853
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: four weeks, Left i'm making phone calls And i'm trying

854
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: to see When tulane comes close to my area WHERE

855
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: i can go see him or get someone THAT i

856
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: trust to go see him and get a look for. Me.

857
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Absolutely and watching him this, summer he was one

858
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: of the most consistent hitters on the on the TEAM

859
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: i broadcasted Four but the glove is also strong at

860
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: third base and he could stick there a Third but

861
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: even if he, couldn't The marlins need first base prospects as.

862
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: Well they since they Traded Josh, naylor there's pretty much

863
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: no corner infielders in that organization as, well so that

864
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: they're pretty pretty thin in regards to to infield. Prospects

865
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: so that could be another guy that take a chance.

866
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: ON i know a lot of people are pushing for

867
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: The marlins to take two, bats AND i wouldn't be.

868
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: Shocked but that's WHY i was really key TO i

869
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: really wanted to ask you About hosey because he's one

870
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: of those more peculiar. Cases and you had mentioned in

871
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 1: your right up in the mock, draft you Mentioned Brent,

872
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: rooker a guy who let the world on, fire and

873
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: HIS i think was his senior year that he let

874
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: the world on. Fire was that his Junior, YEAH i

875
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: think it was his Senior so now he's struggling a little.

876
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: Bit he's looking like a guy that might not even

877
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: make it. UP i think he's sitting low two hundreds

878
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: in TRIPLE. A is that something that tends to happen

879
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: with guys like this that break out late in their

880
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 1: college career or is it more of a safer.

881
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: PICK i, Mean i'm sure we could find examples on either.

882
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 2: Side you, Know andrew bennettendi wasn't a guy who entered

883
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: his junior, Year, yeah his final year in college as

884
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: a potential top ten overall, pick like he became he

885
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: just eventually hit his way, there and everyone was, like, oh,

886
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: yeah we should have seen this all. Along you, know

887
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: hindsight is twenty twenty and it's easy for the only

888
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: thing you can do in those scenarios is trying to

889
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: learn from what you, did but not over, correct, correct

890
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: and then take that into account for the next draft.

891
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: Cycle and one other QUESTION i was going to ask you,

892
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: is we know The marlins have a tendency to like

893
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: these high upside high school, guys but like we, mentioned

894
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: if they decide to play it safe at four and

895
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: they end up we were mentioning more college bats at thirty,

896
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: five what if they flipped it around here and they

897
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: end up going with a guy Like start at four

898
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: or just another college bat at. Four are there any

899
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: high school bats that you like at thirty five that

900
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: could end up being, really really high reward.

901
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Guys, yeah there's a guy Like Tyler callahan is a

902
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: guy WHO i he could potentially get. There he's a

903
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: high school bat THAT i really like a, lot one

904
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: of the more advanced. Bats defense is kind of a

905
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: question mark as to where he's going to where he's

906
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: going to. Play he plays shortstop for his high school,

907
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: team likely profiles as a third baseman or even a.

908
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: Catcher he's played a little bit of, catcher but because

909
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: he is so advanced at the, plate trying to develop

910
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: him as a, CATCHER i think can slow down that,

911
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: bat so he throws, right bats. Left he's a little

912
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: short and. Stocky he would profile well defensively as a.

913
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: Catcher he's got a good. Arm he's up to ninety

914
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: on the. MOUND i just think the bat's going to

915
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: gonna accelerate his, development so he'll probably be like a third,

916
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: baseman even maybe a first. Baseman so if he makes

917
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: it to The, MARLINS i think there's a good opportunity

918
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: that he could be a bat. There Brett bady's another.

919
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: GUY i think we have him going to The brewers

920
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: here at twenty eight At Lake, Travis. Texas this guy

921
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: is just he's hitting like he's hitting bombs every other

922
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: at bad in high. School and that's not an. Exaggeration

923
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: like everyone Thinks texas high school baseball Is Bobby witt,

924
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: territory and it is rightly. So But Brett baty is

925
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: having an unbelievable. Year the knock on him is that

926
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: he's going to be nineteen By draft, day and people

927
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: tend to to like those kids who are a little

928
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: younger in their high school class liken O Cyrus. Johnson

929
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: but it's tough to ignore What beaty's. Done he might

930
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: not make it to that pick at thirty, five but

931
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: he would be a guy if he's available that team

932
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: should be trying to scoop.

933
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: UP i think once you get out of the top,

934
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: three there's a bit of a drop off to the

935
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: pick at, four and it's a little unfortunate for The

936
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: marlins there at the spot that they got and just

937
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: happened to be the way it is this. Year you

938
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: guys Have Adlie, rushman of, course going, first AS i

939
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: think almost everyone in their world Has Adlie rushman going.

940
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: First it would be astonishing if he. Didn't Bobby witt

941
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 1: is actually who you have going, second which that could

942
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: be interchangeable With Andrew, vaughn WHO i think is paired

943
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: With rushman one of the most can't miss prospects we've

944
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: seen in a. While what are the chances that one

945
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: of those three guys could fall to.

946
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: FOUR i think it's a, Chance like you never, Know

947
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: LIKE i personally don't know who these teams are valuing.

948
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 2: More in my, mind this is a clear cut top.

949
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: Three but one of, these one of these college arms

950
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: who's doing really well Alec manoa Or nicolodolo could propel

951
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: themselves up in that. Area or LIKE i said, that

952
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: someone might find a little more perceived safety and a

953
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: bat LIKE Jj blodet Or Hunter bishop out Of Arizona

954
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: state who are dueling real. Well if those guys can

955
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: propel themselves Above, Wit wit could. Slide if someone doesn't

956
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: like the fact That Andrew vaughn's like a six foot

957
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: right handed first baseman who bat's right and throws, right

958
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: he could. SLIDE i think it'd be crazy BECAUSE i

959
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: THINK i think he's going to mash and Pro, ball

960
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: AND i Think Bobby. Witt people have been Questioning Bobby

961
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: wit since he was fifteen years, old and he keeps

962
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: putting doubters. Doubters doubt is. Wrong like if there's a

963
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: question About Bobby, woods it's how well the bat's gonna.

964
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: Play and he went and hit like five hundred For

965
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: TEAM usa with a with like five home runs With

966
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 2: wood bats against pretty good talent from around the country

967
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 2: or from from around me around the. World so in my,

968
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: mind these are the top three, guys but there's STILL

969
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: i would give it maybe a twenty percent chance that

970
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: one of them makes it out of the top. Four

971
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: then you just got to, hope as A marlins, fan

972
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: that that The marlins have accounted for that situation and

973
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: they're ready to pick. Them you, know everyone should be

974
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: Scouting Adley richman even though they're ninety percent sure that

975
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: The orioles are going to take. Him, NOW i say

976
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: that with with the caveat that if you're, picking you,

977
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: know seventh at The, reds you know he's not going

978
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: to make it. There but IF i have a top

979
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: four or five, PICK i make a list of my

980
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: top four or five, guys And i'm sending checkers and

981
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: scouting directors there to get as many looks as possible

982
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: to make sure we're prepared and we have a pref

983
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 2: list that all, right if this guy, slides we are taking,

984
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: him no questions. Asked so hopefully hopefully The marlins are doing,

985
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 2: that or any team picking in the top. Ten.

986
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely LIKE i mentioned, before is first base and shortstop

987
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: might be two of the biggest organizational. Needs and If

988
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Andrew vaughan Or Bobby wick could slide to, FOUR i

989
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: think that's a pipe dream for The. MARLINS i was

990
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: thinking you might say there's no. Chance so the fact

991
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: that you say there's a twenty percent chance might actually

992
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: get a lot of listeners. Excited but the last Question

993
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: i'll ask you here day, two, guys are there are

994
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: there any sleepers that you think could end up lighting

995
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: the world on fire and kind of do A Cody

996
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: hosey type of thing button pro ball where they might

997
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: not have had that prospect of lore and going into the.

998
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: Draft and some guys that you've just personally, liked maybe

999
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: more than, Others.

1000
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: Like, yeah there's there's always guys WHEN i When i'm

1001
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: about players THAT i like more THAN i guess the.

1002
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 2: Consensus there's there's a guy At Campbell. University, Well Campbell

1003
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: university has a first rounder In Seth. Johnson it's a

1004
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: small school In North. Carolina and when you go and

1005
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 2: Scout Seth, johnson you take a look at their, Outfielder Matthew,

1006
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: barefoot and he's another one of these just he's a

1007
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: college guy and all he does is. Rake Like i'm

1008
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: there Scouting, johnson And johnson did as well As i'd

1009
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: expected him, to And i'm, Like, OKAY i heard he's

1010
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: the first. Rounder, YEP i think he's a first. Rounder

1011
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: and THEN i see This matthew barefoot guy just barreling

1012
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: every single ball that comes anywhere near the, plate like

1013
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: not not missing a pitch in the games THAT i,

1014
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: evaluated and it was really impressed with the entire. Profile

1015
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: another guy Is Jordan. Brewer he's a raw junior college

1016
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: transfer to the Univer city Of michigan who's like leading

1017
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 2: The Big ten in all these offensive cdegories and no

1018
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: one really saw it. Coming LIKE i Cover Big ten

1019
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: FOR d One, baseball and we're trying to project out

1020
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: Like michigan's starting lineup as one of the best teams

1021
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: in The Big, ten and he wasn't in, it and

1022
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: now he's leading the leading the league in a lot

1023
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: of offensive. Categories he's, This he's he's kind of an

1024
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: unusual profile. Too he played he plays right, field he

1025
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: bats left and throws. Right not a lot of guys

1026
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: have that profile when batting right. Handed he's like runs

1027
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 2: eighty grade four to one times down to first, base

1028
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: has a plus arm from right, field and he's hitting for.

1029
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: Power he's raw as you would expect A juco. Transfer

1030
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: his first first full YEAR d one. Baseball BUT i

1031
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: think he's going to go in like that fifth round,

1032
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: range AND i think whoever gets him is going to

1033
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: get a.

1034
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: Steal so you mentioned to me off the air that

1035
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: you guys are going to be coming out with a

1036
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: top off prospect was coming. Up so those guys probably

1037
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be on that, list, Right.

1038
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: YEAH i don't think they. Will we're going to go

1039
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five men, deep but before the,

1040
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 2: draft we'll write up all these guys in a draft.

1041
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: Preview we'll rank each, position and we'll go as deep

1042
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: as we possibly can because we've seen a ton of.

1043
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: Guys we Have if we have a draft video library

1044
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: and this is all a video we've gotten the last,

1045
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: year and there's four hundred guys on it so, far

1046
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: it'll be up around five hundred by the time the draft.

1047
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: Happens and if you're at all interested in the, DRAFT

1048
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 2: i just recommend that you go to this page and

1049
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: you bookmark it because if you're A marlins fan out

1050
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: there and they get to the tenth, round it might

1051
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: not be someone you've heard. Of chances are we've seen,

1052
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: them chances are we have video on. Them chances are

1053
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: we've we've written them up so you can get some

1054
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: information on them in our draft. Library you can sort

1055
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 2: it by sort by draft, age by, state by, position

1056
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: by level high, school, junior, college or. College to, me

1057
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: it's like the best tool if you're interested in the.

1058
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: Draft we're gonna have links to that on the one

1059
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: twenty five that we released next, week so if you're,

1060
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: interested check that. Out we really appreciate. It at twenty

1061
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: eighty baseball Dot.

1062
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: Com, well that was the one THING i always like

1063
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: to compliment you guys on is you guys do a

1064
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: great job on a lot of. Things BUT i think

1065
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: one of the main things that really separates you guys

1066
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: from all of these other sites is the video you guys.

1067
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: PROVIDE i, mean it's some of the best Video i've,

1068
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: seen and it really gives you an opportunity to kind

1069
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: of assess these players on your, own from your own

1070
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: desk or from your own, couch which is really. Nice,

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Speaker 1: so are there any other things leading up to the

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Speaker 1: draft now as we get closer by day that we

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Speaker 1: can look out for for you guys to. Do Is

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Speaker 1: i'm sure you're gonna start ramping up your coverage BEFORE

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Speaker 1: i let you go. HERE i wanted to give you

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Speaker 1: a chance to so let us know what you guys

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Speaker 1: might be.

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Speaker 2: Doing, yeah now that we're in the professional baseball season as,

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Speaker 2: well when that minor league baseball has kicked, off we're

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Speaker 2: gonna ramp up doing podcasts more frequently at twenty Eighty,

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Speaker 2: Baseball so you can subscribe On iTunes or wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your your. Podcasts something that we'll do a weekly

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Speaker 2: where we'll do a draft, segment maybe even get other

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Speaker 2: guys from the from the, industry guys that we kind

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Speaker 2: of compete with with prospect, coverage but always like to

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Speaker 2: pick the brains of the other people that are out

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Speaker 2: at the fields doing the same stuff that we're, doing

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Speaker 2: because some of them see things differently and it's always

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Speaker 2: good to get a.

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Speaker 1: Different, perspective, absolutely and that's something we're going to be

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Speaker 1: looking forward to of course here At Fist strives as

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Speaker 1: we use you guys as one of our main resources

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Speaker 1: for a lot of information And atom has always been

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Speaker 1: great to have on the. Show, well thank you for

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Speaker 1: having for for coming, On. BURKE i might have to

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Speaker 1: have you on after the draft and get your take

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Speaker 1: on some of these. PICKS i know you have a

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Speaker 1: busy month ahead of, you so thank you for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to come on. Here and if you could

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Speaker 1: let people know you know what where to look out

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Speaker 1: for Your twitter and information and so they can keep

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Speaker 1: up with.

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Speaker 2: e G R a n g E r and you

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Speaker 2: can find all my stuff at twenty eighty baseball and

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Speaker 2: d one baseball dot. Com thanks so, Much, berg all,

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