1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where I am thrilled to be 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: back in the Chris Westleyan podcast studio with two of 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: my favorite people, Patrick Claiban and Jordan Rodrieg. Before we 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: get to them, we have to talk about the shooting 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: that happened at in around three forty five Park Avenue 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: in New York City on Monday. If you're listening, you 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: probably have heard about this. It was happening just as 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: we were taping out at Rams Camp on Monday, and 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: since we have learned from the police on the scene 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: that a man named Shane Timura killed four people, including 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: a police officer, before killing himself with a gunshot to 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: the chest. An NFL employee was among the many people hurt, 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: and official say Tomura had a documented mental health history. 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: That's a building, obviously that is near and dear to 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: everyone who works at the NFL's heart. I used to 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: work in that building. We obviously know so many people 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: that are there, and it's it's a huge building, and 18 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: obviously the tragedy goes beyond just the NFL scope. But 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: our thoughts are with everyone there and obviously we'll be 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: we'll be following this, but there's not much more we 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: can say other than we just hope everyone is safe 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: and everyone gets the help that they need. And there's 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: no great way to transition out of that. But I 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: am happy, as I said at the top, that you 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: guys are here with me on this show and that 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: it is one of my favorite formats to do. I mean, 27 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a sucker for hitting a lot of teams 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: in one show. And who better to go and hit 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: every single NFC team with than Jordan and Patrick. You've 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: been on the road in the NFC West. You've just 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: been on the road. We missed you, Patrick, But welcome 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: back to NFL Daily. 33 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It's great to be back and here 34 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: in studio with you guys where I go out and 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: then I just become another fan. It's like I ask Great, like, hey, 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: do you need me to take the microphone? He's like, no, 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: we got it. 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: That was a lot of pre taping, a lot of 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: top twenty five players, and like I said, yeah, we're 40 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna go through each and every team, and we're gonna 41 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: start with a team that to me, I wrote more 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: notes on than any other team. 43 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be handling the NFC East. 44 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: We each took different divisions and it's actually the New 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: York Giants, and I'll ask what you guys think here, 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: but like, I love that their biggest players are making 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: a lot of news. 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, one of them was Malik Neighbors. 49 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: He left practice Tuesday with a shoulder injury, but it 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,239 Speaker 1: does appear that he's okay, that it's not going to 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: be anything serious. One thing that's really struck me, though, 52 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: is their rookies. Abdull Carter, Like every rep that you 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: see of him and every report that you see of 54 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: him just seems like he's having an absolutely ridiculous camp 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: and it just it just absolutely pops. 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: I listened to the Giants Nation. 57 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: It's a good podcast Bobby Skinner, and he's like like 58 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: he knows it's camp, but you just are watching him 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and you're like, he's better than Brian Burns and cave 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: On Tibodau. I mean just that like practicing like we 61 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: got to see in the games. But I guess it's 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: not total shocking, but he's just giving Germaine an illumin 63 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: or the right tackle all sorts of business. Who's a 64 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: good right tackle, and so I think you can get 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: excited about that. At the same time of understanding that 66 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: it might take Jackson Dart a little while to get going. 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: The practice reports the first few days of camp for 68 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: him were rough, supposedly like turning the corner a little bit, 69 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: making some quicker decisions after that. But in terms of 70 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: big time rookies that that was like the first takeaways 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: at Giants camp. 72 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: And I think it's that it falls along which it 73 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: feels weird to say, falls along with expectations considering, right, 74 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: the pedigree of Ebitdole Carter versus you know, a couple 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: of other you know, highly touted edges that have been 76 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: in the league and haven't necessarily had the production to 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: match how we felt about it, especially pre trade Brian Burns, 78 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: like the first when we thought maybe Brian Burns is 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: going to get traded, you know, the production has kind 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: of fallen off since then, and for Jackson Dart, especially 81 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: with the the eye test and like I think maybe 82 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: like twenty twenty plus combined years of with their other quarterbacks. Yeah, 83 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna look a little bit different. 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 4: I've been really not wanting to like be real takey 85 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 4: as camp started, especially because Pad's just came on this 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: week for most teams. I can't help myself because I 87 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: really think the Giants are gonna be one of the 88 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 4: best defenses in the NFL. 89 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: I said it. 90 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, I like that. I think they get 91 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence back in practice, bron Are you freaking kidding? 92 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: He's on a pitch count and Carter be next level 93 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: right away would just change everything. And he does have 94 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: a chance to be a Miles Garrett type of player 95 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: who has that sort of impact right away, and you think, 96 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: like Edge Rusher, like it shouldn't be really that impressive, 97 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, impressive early in camp. 98 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 3: If they're popping like that. 99 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: It's like, you know who had like the best first 100 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: week of camp that I can think of from like 101 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: a rookie over the last five years where everyone was 102 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: going nuts, Aiden Hutchinson. Everyone was like, he's the best 103 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: player on the Lions defense already, and it was true. 104 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 3: And you know who had a bad like first month essentially, 105 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 3: I can't like it was Trayvon Walker. 106 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes these things actually do tell you Trayvon Walker's become 107 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: a better player. 108 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 3: Get off me, Jaguars fans. 109 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: But rookie year, it started out a little so The 110 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: other thing interesting about their rookies there Camp Scattaboo is 111 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: like taking first team reps and by most accounts has 112 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: a chance to have like a major role, including starting, 113 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: and not like he's getting all of them, but just 114 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: looking at who's you know, performed the best at camp 115 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: so far, like it might be Skataboo. So like this 116 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: is to me just a fascinating team. The big downer 117 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: is Andrew Thomas has not been in there at all, 118 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: so it's like taking him like a little longer to 119 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: get going than you would hope. And to me he's 120 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: the lynchpin of that entire team. But you have like 121 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: a cornerback two battle with Deontay Banks and Cordeal Float 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: that's a real thing. Flot might actually win that thing. 123 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: But there's like a lot to be excited about that 124 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: this team might be different. Theo Johnson might be their 125 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: like second most targeted. 126 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 4: Receivers a lot of passes right practice according to the 127 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 4: reports out of Giants, it's cool, Okay, Does anyone think 128 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: that Camp Scataboo is if Brian Dable could go back 129 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 4: and become a running back in another l it's just 130 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: a ball of rage? 131 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Are you just saying like he's white. There are many 132 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: of them. 133 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 4: I literally just explained what I meant. He's a ball 134 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: of rage running at you. 135 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: Attitude wise, every movement is violent. Yes, much in the 136 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: same way that Brian's Able might just start screaming at 137 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: a backup quarterback up. 138 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 4: Yes, it says it's an annual thing. I follow, you know, 139 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: my colleagues Charlie Carroll and Dan Dugan out there and 140 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: I have notifications on and I because I always love 141 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 4: the first post of the of the year when Dan 142 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 4: Dugan says, well, it's the first annual Brian Dable freak 143 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 4: out here was the victim. 144 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, he has not like gotten any more chill and 145 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Scattaboo is definitely not chill. He he seems like a 146 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: guy who at some point will get into a training 147 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: camp fight with one of his teammates. Uh, not like 148 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. There's just like there's those guys 149 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: on every team. We're going to get to one on 150 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: the Packers lately, Nate hops just like it goes as 151 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: like a little over the edge. All right, let's go 152 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and yeah, we're we're front the show 153 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: with a couple of teams I feel like I had 154 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 1: a lot of news. 155 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: I mentioned at the end of our show with the Rams. 156 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: Tyler Geyton is officially out four to six weeks with 157 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: a fracture. He is the left tackle of the Cowboys, 158 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: by all accounts, had improved so much and was looking 159 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: really good this offseason, and as part of the reason 160 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: why I kind of planted a flag on Cowboys optimism 161 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: last week, saying, like, man, this young offensive line, like 162 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: it could go wrong, but the ceiling is to have 163 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: a top like six or eight really young offensive line, 164 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: and kind of like the Bucks then last year, like 165 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: suddenly you think that team is much better Since then, 166 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Terrence Steele, the right tackle, has gotten high ankle spring. 167 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: Tyler Guiton's out four to six weeks. Initially they feared worse, 168 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: So I guess that's good news, but not really. You're 169 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: gonna miss him. And then in theory you could move 170 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: Tyler Smith out to left tackle, but his primary backup, 171 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Robert Jones, who they signed, is out for two months. 172 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: So I don't think they're gonna mess with the interior 173 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: from the buzz that's going out there, and they're just 174 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: going to have some backups at tackle, especially left tackle 175 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: for a little while. That that's concerning another injury Jordan 176 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: is Kaylan Carson, who had been lining up with the 177 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: starters at cornerback because they're so thin at cornerback, is 178 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: out four to six weeks. So I'm already like losing 179 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: my Cowboys optimism. 180 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 4: I know you had, but you also I think I 181 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: want to have it. 182 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: Overall, this is none of these are death. 183 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 4: Flows, and you gave yourself it was the take expert cushion. 184 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: You gave yourself, you said. But their variance is among 185 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: the cre a lot of air in the entire league. 186 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 187 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 4: My everything that I see reporting wise out of Cowboys 188 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: camp says that they do not want to move Tyler 189 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: Smith if they don't have to, because moving him from 190 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: left guard, kicking him out it's totally it's obviously totally 191 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: different footwork. But they're not sure locally yet how much 192 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 4: time Tyler Guiiten is truly going to miss. And so 193 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: if it's only a game or two, you really don't 194 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 4: want to mess with that continuity and flip flop guy's position. 195 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: In my position, yeah, they've already dealt with enough, and 196 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: so you create this cascade of issues where you're creating 197 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: another that you have to solve if you move Tyler 198 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Smith when you already do with enough of these issues 199 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: with Tyler Guiden's injury, and so it's you just have 200 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: to wait, Like you can't be overly reactive because now 201 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: you got to react to your reaction. 202 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: You mean the Cowboys are trying not to create their 203 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: own issues. 204 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: Well, first, I know it's crazy because Jake Ferguson got 205 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: that contract and I think it's quite team friendly, but 206 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: it's also weird because he's coming off a bad year. 207 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: But man, they have a lot of guys that are 208 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 1: up for contracts that aren't named Michaeh Parsons. It's just 209 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: like a lot's going on. Like Deron Bland, they're talking 210 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: about a new contract with him too. Tyler Smith is 211 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: going to get a top of the market or deserves 212 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: the top of the market guard contract. And then you 213 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: have Micah's there too, like Trayvon Diggs will see when 214 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: he gets back, he's not there right now. So like 215 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: when you're lining up at practice lately, it's been Kayer 216 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: Elam and it was Kayln Carson, and they've got some 217 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: undrafted guys. Kyer Elam was a guy who came in. 218 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: Doron Bland is back with the team, though supposedly at 219 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: running back. Like I thought this was going to be 220 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: a battle and we'll see, but it seems like it's 221 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: just Miles Sanders. 222 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 223 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: I was listening to Love the Star podcast and they 224 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: kind of thinks he's actually looked good. He looked better 225 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: than they expected. I was reading between the lines. Javonte 226 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: Williams maybe not as much. And Jayden Blue is like 227 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: an exciting, young, explosive guy who had this crazy one 228 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: handed catch down the field and they want to get 229 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: him in the mix, but it's probably gonna be Miles 230 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: Sanders and then just the other like drum beat out 231 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: of there is a lot of Donovan Eziraku love, and 232 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: that's part of my Cowboys love, like that edge group. 233 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: If Ziraku pops and Sam Williams is out there and 234 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: he's back like Marshaw Nelan eventually like Cowboys are good, 235 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe you'll become a Cowboys fan again. 236 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: No, that's not happening, but I do think right the 237 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: reason for optimism, it's all there, And yeah, we could 238 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: we could couch it with some caveats and talk about Thinness, 239 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: but uh, let's be honest. Uh DA's there. Uh yes, 240 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 2: Like the offense will score points, Micah will be explosive. Eventually, 241 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: the deals will get done. The Cowboys will end up 242 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: paying more than they should because they should have done 243 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: them earlier. 244 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: Like that, and then what I don't and then we'll 245 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: see it play Trevon Diggs and Sharon Revel who was 246 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: a high pick for them to get healthy, because like that, 247 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: their cornerbacks being heard, their offensive line being heard. That's 248 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: more the thing that I'm worried about. But George Pickens, 249 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: by the way, he was chosen as as the star 250 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: of the week. I believe it was by the Dallas 251 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,839 Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com. But you know, they still got to 252 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: pick five guys and Pickens has come out there and 253 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: he's done something. Let's go to the commanders. Terry McLaurin 254 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: is back in the mix, but he's still on the 255 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: pup list, so he has an ankle issue he's working 256 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: through as he's trying to get that contract done. Speaking 257 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: of contract, I was curious, like what von Miller's contract 258 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: looked like. He got three million dollars guaranteed, so you 259 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: would think he like is actually going to be on 260 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: that team. 261 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: I don't think there's much risk they would. 262 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: They would cut a guy who got three million dollars guaranteed, 263 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: although it has happened before. He'd have to look pretty bad. 264 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: They had the lesser know Herbig retired. Nate Herbig, who 265 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: was an offensive lineman for the Steelers and was with them, 266 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: was coming off an injury, so happy trails to him. 267 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: One of those early retirements of camp. And it's been 268 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: a lot of debo. Remember everyone was getting on debo 269 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: in the off season because he kind of like looked 270 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: a little bigger on one of those well he did 271 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: like a Luka Doncic, because when you're seeing him in 272 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: camp he is looking sleek and everyone's just like, it's 273 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: a whole lot of debo. 274 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: Sorry, are you feeling the debo? 275 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: Love? I was last time. I said, Man, you do 276 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 4: not want that guy hitting you or running at you, 277 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: or catching the ball and running past you at any weight. 278 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 4: I don't care. 279 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, the all season weight concerns based on pictures are 280 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: always something that it's like, what are. 281 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: We My concern is he's had weight fluctuations and not 282 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: looked as explosive consistently over the last few years because 283 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: of those injuries as he has, but I think right 284 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: now he's healthy, so that's great. 285 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 4: Maybe he just ate some sort of inflammatory food that day. 286 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 4: You know that happens to the best of us. 287 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: It's going to start selling tummy to you on TikTok 288 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: and like a little bloated. 289 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 4: What were those things that went around and the era 290 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 4: when like the reality TV steroids started of the kardash 291 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 4: or whatever, it's like the weight train or the waste train. 292 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 4: They were like a thing that you had like a 293 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 4: freaking modern day course at what are we doing? What 294 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 4: are we doing to women? What are we doing to women? 295 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: And to Deebo, let's not do any of these things. 296 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: Be happy body. 297 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: One thing I noticed on Tuesday was like it was 298 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: a veteran rest day for Marshall Lattimore and Laramie Tunzel 299 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: and von Miller and zach Ertz and Cleveland Fair. And 300 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: that's all cool, Like you should have these veteran rest 301 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: days everyone see how business super veteran. But it was 302 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: just it's just a reminder this team is a little 303 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: older than most, so it's it's just it's something I'm monitoring. 304 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: And then finally on my preseason watch list, everyone is 305 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: loving themselves some Jacory Crosskett merit the running back youngster 306 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: for Washington, and that's what the preseason to me is 307 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: all about. Like every single writer in Washington is like, 308 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: this guy's been the most interesting guy in camp. This 309 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: like you know, bowling ball of a young running back. 310 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: So just someone I want to watch. We'll finish our 311 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: NFC East with the Eagles. I don't want to go 312 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: too deep because we're gonna have a deep dive into 313 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: the Eagles on our next show with our friends Bo 314 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: Wolf and Zach Berman. 315 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 3: But Jalen Carter is back at practice. That's really good. 316 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: And Jalen Hurts is still doing the thing where he's 317 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: kind of like cosplaying as Michael Jordan. 318 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 3: What do you think about that it might be too hard? 319 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: No, it's it's not. I don't think it's it's being 320 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: too harsh. 321 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: Eventually, like he says his quotes and he wears the 322 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Jordan gear and I don't know. 323 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's you know, so what, he's a fan, 324 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: you got a brand, right, But eventually people will stop 325 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: asking him, stop asking him stuff, like because a lot 326 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: of times it's like throwing Jalen a lob. Yeah, where 327 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: it's like Jalen h I saw an article from Eagles 328 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: smoke fan twenty seven dot com who said that you 329 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: weren't good. What do you think about that? And then 330 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: like Jalen will drop a quote like, you know, the 331 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: galaxy doesn't care about. 332 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:47,359 Speaker 3: Galaxy. 333 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: He doesn't care about starts a thing. 334 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's just something random like that. 335 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: You do that was good? 336 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but because that's that's what it felt like. I 337 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: love I love Jalen, but at a certain like I 338 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: did too shout out to him. I just you know, yeah, 339 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: we didn't. We can let it, let it rock. 340 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: We'll keep an eye on Devada. The smith was out 341 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: of practice. 342 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: But like I said, we're gonna dive deeper into the Eagles, 343 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: So I think let's just save that conversation. 344 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of moro O jamo talk. 345 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: They're their young safety Andrew mccouba is out with an injury, 346 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: so that's that's a concern. Uh, there's a battle a 347 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: guy I've never given up on, a Dori Jackson, who 348 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: sneakily had like two incredible cornerback seasons. To me, he 349 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: is the picture of what a cornerback is the highs 350 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: are high, the lows are lows, and he might be 351 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: winning that first team battle right now at cornerback. All right, 352 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: let's go to the NFC West. 353 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 4: Chaos is back, yay in a big way. All throughout 354 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 4: the NFC WES we talked about it a little bit. 355 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to start with I think collectively the favorites 356 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: across the board, maybe not in Vegas right now, but 357 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: collectively across the board, the Los Angeles Rams. We were 358 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: just at training camp with them earlier this week. Matthew 359 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 4: Stafford still is not throwing. I'm personally eyeballing the joint 360 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 4: practices with the Cowboys on August fifth. If he's not 361 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 4: throwing by then, then I start to get actually worried. 362 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: But the thing about having Jimmy Garoppolo as the backup 363 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 4: is they're actually installing the actual offense, what we will 364 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 4: actually see from the offense. Obviously, your definitive three receivers 365 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 4: are Puka Nakua and DeVante Adams and two two out Well, 366 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: Puka and Davante are one A and one B. I 367 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 4: would not look at them as one and two. I 368 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: would look at them as like orbital players who are 369 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 4: going to rotate a lot and move a lot around 370 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: in the system. Terence Ferguson getting some first team reps, 371 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: getting worked in, and I think he will definitely be 372 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 4: more in those pass catching mismatches with Colby Parkinson maybe 373 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: taking up more of the backside blocking stuff. And Tyler 374 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 4: Higbee obviously is still the starter. Alec Jackson is still 375 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 4: the left tackle. He's still not practicing in full. Just 376 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: something to watch. DJ Humphries was taking announced the seas, 377 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: which is scary. He's in, yes and easy, there's more 378 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: of that. He's dealt with it before, and he is in. 379 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: He's receiving tree. I did talk to somebody at RAMS 380 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 4: who was feeling just really optimistic about his overall status. However, 381 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 4: obviously you're gonna wait. They are going to be adamant 382 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: about waiting until they know for sure it's safe for 383 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 4: him to be back on the field. So it is 384 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: DJ Humphries playing first team left tackle. You're seeing a 385 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 4: lot of motion, a lot of tight end usage, a 386 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 4: lot of DeVante Adams, a lot of Puka and Akua 387 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 4: on offense. 388 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: So far, maybe better, you know, than they've had at 389 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: swing tackle in the past. J Humphries a little bit 390 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: of a boomer bus guy, but when he's healthy and 391 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: right has been a good player in the league. 392 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 393 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: It was disarming to be there and see so many 394 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: first team reps for Kannada Mumpfield, a man I was 395 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: not familiar with, but it's getting a lot of first 396 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: team reps. 397 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: Jordan Whittington. 398 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 4: Back when somebody was a beat writer for the Rams, 399 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 4: somebody said, this is a player you need to watch 400 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 4: because he is a perfect fit for the Sean McVay offense, 401 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 4: especially when these other guys get arrest day. And also, 402 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be easy for them 403 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: to keep Jordan Whittington off the field. He anytime he's 404 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 4: on the second team, he is so explosive. He just 405 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 4: doesn't belong there. He like, it is going to be 406 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 4: so hard for them to keep him off the field. 407 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, some depth, and as someone who usually goes to 408 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: one preseason game, you know some people I know that 409 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: I'll get to a watch. 410 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 3: We'll see if the. 411 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes reclamation project works out from Washington. I know 412 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: you know you were in Arizona, you were in with 413 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: the Rams. You were not in Seattle. Are you going 414 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: to be going to Seattle anytime. 415 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 4: I'm going to try. I so far, I only have 416 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 4: until August's eighteenth planned in my life slash schedule, but 417 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: I'm going to try to get up there. It's super 418 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 4: interesting because it reports out of camp right now in 419 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 4: Seattle is that the defense is not only asserting themselves, 420 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: I would say politely, but also they have this identity 421 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: and this like vocal just assertion of who they are 422 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: and what they are. And I get it because of 423 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 4: how they have come along so far under Mike McDonald 424 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 4: and that first year going into that second year, the 425 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: ascension of all these players, there seems to be a 426 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 4: collective sort of identity within that group. And my colleague 427 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: Michael Sean Dugar was saying, actually saying, he's waiting for 428 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 4: someone on offense to take the role of the trash docker. 429 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 4: He's hearing it only from the defense and not vice versa. 430 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 3: Sama. 431 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 4: When the pads went. 432 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: On exactly that with a lot of like what if 433 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: he became that though, or we're just going to dark Sam. 434 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 4: Like if you just had like the let the let 435 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: the the you know, the demons out a little bit. 436 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 4: But the first, second and third string defense all quote 437 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 4: unquote one, the move the ball drills earlier when the 438 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 4: pads first went on, so that's when we actually start 439 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: to count things. But actually, I would say for Darnold's favorite, 440 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 4: there's been a lot of positive reporting about how he's played, 441 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: how he's managed kind of his new role the team. 442 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: They're still obviously working out what these receivers are going 443 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: to look like, and all things lead back to the 444 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: offensive line with this group and whether it will be 445 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: a detriment to what they're trying to do or whether 446 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 4: it will actually supplement and compliment what they're trying. 447 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: To do with ken Walker, Yeah, they have battles at 448 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: center and right guard. I was a little surprised that 449 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: they're making Olua Timmy who without finished last season. I 450 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: was they well battle for that job and that that's 451 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: what's happening. It really seems like marcuz Veld the scantling 452 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: as their third receiver and they're making Jake Bobo and 453 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: the rest of them fight after that, which not in 454 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: love with. 455 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: I think they're going to use the tight ends a 456 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: lot too, are you. 457 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: I Mean, look, the late late season pushed from MVS 458 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: was was notable and you know, pretty much a hopeless 459 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: New Orleans spot. You know MVS made some plays down 460 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: the stretch. I don't know that. You know, you want 461 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: to build the whole plane out of MVS. Yeah, And 462 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: I don't think right if of all the coaching staffs 463 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 2: in the NFL, like if any coaching staff is going 464 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: to try to take things lightly on the offensive side 465 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: of the ball and like trying to make everything look 466 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: I don't think Mike McDonald's going to be a part 467 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: of that operation. So like, yeah, it could look rough 468 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 2: at spots in camp, and maybe a little bit better 469 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: when the same. 470 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: And Elijah Royo, the rookie, is like so active they're 471 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: using him in the slaw all over, so maybe he's 472 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: really the I think they're. 473 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: Going to use both of those tight ends A J. 474 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 4: Barner and Elijah Roya. I think in this Koubiak system, 475 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 4: you definitely want to use a couple, at least a 476 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: couple of tight ends. And Elijah Royo was one of 477 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: the more exciting prospects at the position coming out raw sure, 478 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 4: but also like high comp super high upside. One thing 479 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 4: injury wise to keep an eye on out of Seattle, 480 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 4: Ernest Jones. He missed the first padded practice due to 481 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 4: what the team was saying was a personal reason. But 482 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 4: just as notable for this this is he had the 483 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 4: knee surgery in the off season. He's obviously an absolute 484 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 4: star for them, especially in the run game and as 485 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: a blitzer, but he has not fully practiced yet missed 486 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: OTAs in mini camp. So just just something to keep 487 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: an eye on. Not no need for a huge concern 488 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 4: just yet. 489 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: And this would maybe change this stance, but we're not 490 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: allowed here at the NFL to gamble or suggest gambling really, 491 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: although we have a show game debut where we do 492 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: pick games every week for what it's worth in the scores. 493 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: But if there was like a way that ahead of 494 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: time you could you could just pick who based on 495 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: the odds, you know, would be like a sneaky pick 496 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: to finish the season number one defensive DVOA. 497 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: You know, I would like the Seahawks' odds. 498 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: Because I would assume they wouldn't be in the top 499 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: five going into the season, and yet I think they 500 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: have like a higher chance than people would realize of 501 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: like literally being the best defense in the league. 502 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 3: I think it's on the table. 503 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 2: You mean, like playing the number. 504 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing the number but I'm but I'm thinking 505 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: saying that I think they'll be in the top five, 506 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I think they could be number one, 507 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: because because I don't know anything, it's hard to predict. 508 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: Or I think their absolute rock bottom floor is still 509 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: a top ten defense. 510 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: Right, which is that's a good place to start. 511 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: Really hard to find a place to criticize or be 512 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 4: concerned about, truly, because even if you're worried about the 513 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: return from injury and you're worried about, you know, the 514 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 4: knee with Ernest Jones, you're they're not asking him to 515 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: do things outside of what he's best at, and they're 516 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: bringing safety help and help via the slot and Julian love, 517 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 4: help for him to not necessarily have to move latterly 518 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 4: in ways that would put him in harm's way. So 519 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 4: it's just smart. It's a smart defense full of talented players. 520 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 4: What could go wrong? 521 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the combination of like, continuity, relative youth, all of it. 522 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: I love it. 523 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: I know you love the Cardinals. After idea, say you 524 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: love your guy Trey McBride. 525 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 4: Yes, and got to talk to him in Arizona. Didn't 526 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: go in with really any expectations about how, you know, 527 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 4: the conversation or you know, sometimes you catch guys. This 528 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 4: was really high energy practice. You catch guys after that 529 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 4: you're not sure. Oh my god, just had the best 530 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 4: conversation with him, and really grateful for the time. Really 531 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: special special person, special player. I think he's one of 532 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 4: the best tight ends in the league. Not the best 533 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: right now. George Kittle is up there obviously always. So 534 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 4: this is a super interesting team because they've improved every 535 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 4: single year, and when I went to the practice, you 536 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: could really see they know where they're supposed to be. 537 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: There's urgency in practice. What I thought was the most 538 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 4: interesting two things that I want to note to you 539 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: guys that stood out to me about being there was 540 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: first of all, a lot of seven on seven red 541 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 4: zone install they obviously need to score more points, they 542 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: need to finish drives, and a lot of red zone 543 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: install a lot of different types of things with Marvin 544 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: Harrison Junior, trying to get him comfortable in a little 545 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 4: bit probably a bigger role. Still, this offense will still 546 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 4: funnel through the tight ends, but so far in training 547 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 4: camp that is a super key point of emphasis for them. 548 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: Little designed runs for Kyler in the red zone as well, 549 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 4: which I think would behoove them. I think that would 550 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 4: be a positive thing if they can sustain that through 551 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 4: and Darius Robinson. They won't have Walter Nolan because who 552 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 4: knows how long, because they haven't given a timeline for 553 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: the injury yet suffered the injury in camp. The first 554 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 4: round pick, who were all really excited about Greg's favorite 555 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 4: player in this draft, but they are really high on 556 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 4: Darius Robinson, and you can almost see, like the second 557 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 4: rounder line, you could almost see him like flip the switch, 558 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 4: understanding I have to be this guy and obviously looks 559 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 4: the part, fills out the jersey, but was really attacking 560 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 4: these practices and impressing teammates and having Kalais campbellback's great too. 561 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the red zone work. Essentially, it made me 562 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 2: think back, not just for the Cardinals, but for the Rams, 563 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, and the Seahawks, especially the division 564 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: essentially came down to seven or eight plays executing in 565 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: the red zone, and of course the Cup has had 566 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: like the most notable and spectacular failure in the red zone. 567 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: But that was just one of those things that sometimes 568 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: happens with football, the ball not being round. But you 569 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: can right drill and practice certain scenarios to extent where 570 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: the execution can be on point, even if the result 571 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 2: isn't what you want, you can have that level of execution. 572 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: And I really think, like division wide, that should be 573 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 2: the focus. 574 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 4: I love that about the NFC West. It comes down 575 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: truly to the margins, truly to the tiniest but most 576 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 4: important of you. 577 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: They've lost two potential starters for the season and the 578 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: secondary we mentioned it's Starling Thomas, not a household name, 579 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: and they do have good depth, good young depth. 580 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: Overall. 581 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: I think their starting group is still strong, but they've 582 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: kind of lost that Wilgo room right off the bat well. 583 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: The other thing that stuck out to me just as 584 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: a fantasy guy, they tried they've been trying to like 585 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: ask Gannon about you know, is Trey Benson. 586 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: Is he going to have more of a role this 587 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: or that? 588 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: And the steady drumbeat is like, no, we want to 589 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: ride James Connor until the wheels fall off. So James 590 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: Connor workhorse season like it's not ending. I don't think 591 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: anytime soon. 592 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting too. You mentioned the defense. I think 593 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 4: that our guy Will Johnson is going to really get 594 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 4: a shot at this, and he should. But that's the thing, 595 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 4: it's a rookie. Sometimes, coaches, we'll play rookies early, especially 596 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 4: in a defense like this. But I think it's going 597 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: to be a rotation with Ger Williams, Max Melton, and 598 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 4: Will Johnson. Then obviously Williams has outstanding experience in the slot, 599 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 4: so he can be sort of an inside outside player 600 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: and when they have three corners, you know obviously that 601 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: he would kick inside and maybe Will will Johnson goes 602 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: on the outside. 603 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap the forty nine ers will be 604 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: the last team here before we take a little break. 605 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: The NFC West, Yeah, where they finally had some good 606 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: wide receiver news. Ricky pierceill back on the field making 607 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: some catches, so that. 608 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 4: That yes, they did. Yeah, he's working his way back 609 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 4: into practice. Still pretty concerned about the overall depth of 610 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: that position group. But I you know, also would say 611 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 4: that I think the other news that was really really 612 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 4: good out of forty nine ers camp that I think 613 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 4: is the news coming out of forty nine ers camp 614 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 4: is Christian McCaffrey back to his old workout schedule previously 615 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: when he was sort of at the top before the 616 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 4: injury back to his his routine, back to these highlight 617 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 4: reel shimmys and shakes on his routes in practices. And 618 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 4: I think that because you have a healthy Christian McCaffrey 619 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 4: and a healthy George Kittle, you're going to use them 620 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: as mismatches so often in the passing game that maybe 621 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 4: you're not super worried about the fact that Juwan Jennings 622 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: is in a combination a little bit of a calf 623 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: issue sitting out of practice, and also there's a contract 624 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 4: situation brewing, and then also Brandon Aiyuk is not going 625 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: to be there for an unforeseen still amount of time 626 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 4: several months at least. If you have those two guys 627 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 4: actually in your passing game and supplementing them with a 628 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: healthy Ricky Piersol, hopefully they get another one of these 629 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 4: guys back, Cowing maybe then that could be exciting for them. 630 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jacob Cowings is like a young speedster that they're 631 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: hoping is going to have a big season, but it 632 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: is out right now. Yeah, they need Juwan Jennings back 633 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: because otherwise, like I mean, I forget who they were 634 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: like putting out there as a starter at wide receiver 635 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: in these practices, it was Hawkins, a man I wasn't 636 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, wow, they are thinner than you expect. 637 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: And then at cornerback it's it's kind of a position 638 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: to watch their little thin there too. Like the former 639 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: Seahawk Trey Brown right now is lining up like the 640 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: secondary and the offensive line for me. For the forty 641 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: nine ers, it was Jordan Watkins, by the way, is 642 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: kind of like right now their number three receiver. 643 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the local people love them, right, so maybe. 644 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: Maybe he'll turn turn out to be great. It's just 645 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: like names we don't know as well. The entire secondary 646 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: safety is kind of wide open. It's the old Falcon. 647 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Richie Grant is in the mix there. They have a 648 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: lot of rookies on the defensive line, just so much 649 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: uncertainty on this team. 650 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: But a lot of these guys played for Robert Sala 651 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: and so he went out and found like Jason Pinnock, 652 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: who might be filling in in a big role, has 653 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 4: played for a cup of coffee for Robert Sala And 654 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 4: it's like it's these guys who it's like, you know, 655 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 4: you really would rather have Malik mustaff Up be on 656 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 4: the field. 657 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: Right coming off a torn Aco. 658 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: Yes, but he's still going to be recovering for a while. 659 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: And so now you have to plug and play with 660 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: these patch veterans. We've seen this work before for teams. 661 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: So we are done with the NFC West here and 662 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: we you know, put the call out to you guys, 663 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: which divisions would you want to cover? 664 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: At least I did that with Patrick. 665 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: And he's built different because he had the number one 666 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: overall pick and he just goes, what did you say? Yeah, 667 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: give me the dirty NFC South. I mean he's built different. Literally, 668 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: he is built different, but we all are, but he's 669 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: built different. We will hit the NFC South right after this. 670 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 2: It's a fun division. 671 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: I love that no one at NFL network like, choose it, 672 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 3: get him. 673 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: I would choose you every time South, get him in 674 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 4: the trenches. 675 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: So if I heard it one time, I heard it 676 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: a thousand times over the month plus that Patrick was 677 00:30:52,760 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: not on the show, Like where is Patrick? The clay 678 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Bon vivants we're saying the clay Bon Bonds were saying 679 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: it what the slave bonds? 680 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: The clay Bony Bears. I don't know. We need a 681 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: nickname for the massive Patrick fan base. 682 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: How's How's it any more than three people, the pat Pack. 683 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: The pat Pack, well that that that's that's so heart 684 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: enn it nick that good people would notice my apps. 685 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: The clay Bon Voyages, Now, that wouldn't really make sense. 686 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: I like the clay Bony Bears. I like that. 687 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: I like the clay Bon Vivant, huge boniever fan. 688 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: A really massive fan base, really in its feelings. 689 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: I like that. I think I like the clay Bon Bonds. 690 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: The clay bon vivance is pretty good word that we 691 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: don't use enough in general. 692 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think because you know, the the dark period, right, 693 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 2: and then our first vacation in five years. Yes, my 694 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: daughter left California for the first time, oh in her life. Exciting, Yeah, 695 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: I kind of. But yeah, no, no concern to it 696 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: had to be seven people. Maybe. 697 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: No, We've got a suggestion from the back room the 698 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: clay Hive. That's pretty good too. That's pretty good too. 699 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: So we'll leave it to the people. Just let us know, 700 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: you know, just throwing. 701 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 4: Just throwing pat Pack out there one more time, you know, I. 702 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: Might, I might not allow that one. I've got final editorial. 703 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: I just like I like going off the name too. 704 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: I guess his name is Patrick well, that's true. 705 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: I like it all. My son calls you, my son 706 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 3: calls you. Slave on. 707 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: So we're getting to the NFC South A Division only. Patrick, Yes, 708 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: it would get down with but I did want to mention, sorry, 709 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: just a couple AFC items before because this is an 710 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: NFC heavy show. But we did have a couple of 711 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: injury items happen on Tuesday. I'll just fly through unfortunate 712 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: news and we can get into this more another time. 713 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: But Martin Emerson, who's a good starting young cornerback for 714 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: the Browns entering a contract year, tore his achilles on Tuesday. 715 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: So that's the strength I believe of their team, their 716 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: their cornerback position, and now they're losing obviously one of 717 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: their best players, and that's really unfortunate. Isaiah Likely is 718 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: reportedly out a few weeks the tight end of the 719 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: Ravens after getting carted off the field. The Chiefs had 720 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: three they're really their top three other than Rasi Rice. 721 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Their receivers leave practice with injuries, but we'll see it 722 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like any of them are serious. Christian Gonzalez 723 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: was among the people that left practice with an injury. 724 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: But it's always tough to know how just dropped into 725 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: your feet on that one. It's always tough to know 726 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: how serious these things are. But obviously at torn Achilles 727 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: and out a few weeks in terms of Martin Emerson, unlikely, 728 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: that's serious. 729 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: That's unfortunate. 730 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: Let's get to hopefully more positive news in the NFC South. 731 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: Okay, well, well, eventually get to some positive news, all right, 732 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 2: but it is to hear about the the Emerson injury 733 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: is tough because we just talked about Loll McDonald with 734 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: the Cardinals in the last block and how he fell 735 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 2: down the draft board because of these concerns, and it's 736 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: just like injuries are going to be the one constant 737 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: thing in the league. It's got to get the player right. 738 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: You get the player and hopefully they have an opportunity 739 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 2: because injuries happened like Darnel Mooney, and the Falcons really 740 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: have not too many guys that can get open, like 741 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney had a shoulder injury. The timeline is two 742 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 2: weeks and then they're going to reevaluate, is what Rahee 743 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 2: Morris said on Tuesday. Ray May mccleoud got some reps 744 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: at the X when Mooney got hurt last year, positive note, 745 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: switching to to good news because so much of this 746 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: Falcon season, and really the entire Terry Fontina is a 747 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: good GM take that I had this offseason I will 748 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 2: have to wear for the rest of it. 749 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 4: I can kind of mysteriously disappear from the show. 750 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 3: For a while. I always I have the memory of 751 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 3: a goldfish, so I would have forgotten it. 752 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I'll never let anybody forget that, whether 753 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 2: I'm right or wrong. I was banished went to the 754 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico because that's the name of the body 755 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 2: of water. 756 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 5: Yes, but either way, top ten GM. You had him 757 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 5: in our guest and James Pierce Jr. Is going to 758 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 5: be a whole lot people determine that, and he has 759 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 5: been solid in practice. He's gotten in a couple of 760 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 5: dust ups. We talked about training camp fights earlier. There's 761 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 5: a couple of different ways you can look at training 762 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 5: camp fights. Where Morris chose to say we like aggression. 763 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 5: They wanted a little bit of an edge. I guess 764 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 5: the couple on Tundra when they drafted James Pierce Jr. 765 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 5: They got that he doesn't like that it waste time. 766 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 5: In practice, they had to cancel. 767 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: It development period because there were multiple dust ups, but 768 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: he did appreciate the way that he bounced back. It 769 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: was beef with Ryan Neuzl the center and Caleb McGarry 770 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: multiple times, but Leonard Floyd came in backed him up. 771 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: Everybody's fine, Leonard. They'll have an opportunity with a joint 772 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 2: practice with the Titans next month middle of next month 773 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 2: to hit somebody that's not in their uniform. Jeff Aldbrick 774 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: was talking about it, said they'd like to create a 775 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: culture a style of play which is violent and aggressive. 776 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 2: At times, they went a little too far and so 777 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: but the ports on James Pierce Junior have been good. 778 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,879 Speaker 2: The other edge, the top pickt out of Georgia, who 779 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: is Jalen Walker, did not practice. There was a bit 780 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 2: of a management period over the weekend, which is something 781 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 2: that they are taking and evaluating, and I think it's 782 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 2: notable because he's a rookie and they're still kind of 783 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: managing some reps, which I think is a league wide thing. 784 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 2: With player performance and the data being so kind of ubiquitous, 785 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: with the way teams are going about things, there's not 786 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 2: as much of this hard line like, yeah, you got 787 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: to get out there and hit and be violent all 788 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 2: the time. If you notice a guy is starting to 789 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: lag a little bit, you give him some time to 790 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 2: manage their bodies, which which I think makes sense. And 791 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 2: of course from the fantasy perspective, everybody wants to know 792 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts. You know, is this I really think if you, 793 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 2: if you want to talk about volume the Mooney injury, 794 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 2: if it does become a longer term thing, there's just 795 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 2: more ball, some more availability to go out to the 796 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 2: tight end. But if you, if you're a Kyle Pits believer, 797 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 2: you just have to continue to believe at this point, 798 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: at which I do. 799 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,879 Speaker 1: And I think there are many left. I don't think, yeah, 800 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: everyone about we're starting to. 801 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 4: See Kyle Pits headlines that also are included in the 802 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: headline for real this time. So that's where we're at 803 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 4: right now. 804 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: He's reportedly as healthy as he's ever been, so that's good. 805 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: The main thing to me with Kyle Pitts, beyond like 806 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: them saying like he's looked good, is just there are 807 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: no issues. There's always issues for him injury wise, and 808 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: so when I point out, like I know he has 809 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: the name Kyle Pits and there's this idea that he's explosive, 810 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: but he actually hasn't been explosive actually on the field, 811 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: like maybe now he is truly healthy. Same same thing 812 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. He's still there. I just like to 813 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: remind people every once in a while, Kyle Kirk Cunins 814 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: is showing up to work every day and like throwing 815 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: passes and he's a quarterback on that team. 816 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: And on the quarterback show Uparently it's a you know, 817 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: Kirk's feelings regarding the rookie that they drafted being better 818 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: than him, just being worn on his sleeve at. 819 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,320 Speaker 1: A certain interesting and it's I haven't made it that 820 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: far yet. I'm spoiling it. It's like a little bit 821 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,439 Speaker 1: of a slog. Not even it is a slog. It's okay, 822 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: we can have television criticism on the show. 823 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 4: It's not a pat Pack pick of the week for 824 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 4: your viewing it. 825 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 3: I don't really want to trying. 826 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 2: To make make it happen. 827 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 3: The bon Vivans will, the Clay bon Vivans will. 828 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: I'm just the fact that people notice my absence was 829 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 2: is heartening to me. 830 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: To the Buccaneers anywhere anywhere you want to go okay, please. 831 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, start with the bad news. David Walker on Friday 832 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 2: towards a c L there was some hope that they 833 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 2: get him in the MRI machine and get out some 834 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: good news. They did not. Both said they still feel 835 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 2: like they have a lot of depth at Ed Rusher positions. 836 00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: Uh Reddick and Yayadiyabi feel solid about that. One note 837 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 2: that was interesting to me, Christian Izian. The safety Todd 838 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: Bowles said, he made the team already interesting, there's no question, 839 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,240 Speaker 2: like he laughed about it when the reporters in Tampa 840 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: Bay we're asking, you know about the secondary, it's like 841 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: he's made the team. I love what he brings to 842 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 2: the table and the way that he plays, way he prepares. 843 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 2: So he's good. A Mecca Abuka as intended like. They 844 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: asked Todd Bowles if he was surprised about his level 845 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 2: of production about a style of play. He said, no, 846 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: it was no surprise. He goes out there and makes plays. 847 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 2: In fact, I had to go out there and tell 848 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: him that everything does not have to be perfect because 849 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: he's he's just that guy. So, you know, as as 850 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 2: expected for you know, one of the the more NFL 851 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: ready receivers, which I think maybe that that tag did 852 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: him to disservice call him good. 853 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: I think so too, because it gives you this idea 854 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: of a low ceiling, high floor guy. Also, whenever anyone 855 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: says NF already, I found that the scripture to be 856 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: no more predictive than anything else. Like I don't think 857 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: the average prospect that's said to be nflready is any 858 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: more NFL ready than anyone else. 859 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 3: Sometimes they hit the home run with that. 860 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: I like they asked Baker Mayfield about this season on 861 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: the New Heights podcast and they didn't even lead him 862 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: to a buco or like who's looked good, but they 863 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 1: just asked him about his season, like the season in general. 864 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 3: He's just like, well man, Miko Buka is a total stunt. 865 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: Like that was like the first thing that Baker Mayfield 866 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: said about like I'm so excited about this season because 867 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: in his words, he had yack potential out the wazoo 868 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: and pointed out, I think this is ball knowing. As 869 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: of course, Baker Mayfield is a ball no er, just 870 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: how he trusts his hands so much, like he never 871 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: leaves the ground and he always is so deceptive in 872 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: making the catch even if the cornerback is in a 873 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:50,760 Speaker 1: great position. 874 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 3: Baker just like, couldn't say enough and I'm in. I 875 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 3: know you're in. 876 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 4: He's my favorite player in the draft. In fact, now 877 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 4: that we're making up band clubs, how about this e mecca? 878 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 4: Is it emica or because I've heard it pronounced both ways, 879 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 4: a mecca or I think it's a mecca? Okay, a mecca, 880 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 4: a boot club? 881 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's good. Well they actually can and should 882 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 3: do that. 883 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 1: If you're listening to me, whoever is involved in making 884 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: those big posters in the end zone for the Buccaneers 885 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: where everyone's got their own section, you know in Tampa. 886 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I think there's a 887 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: charitable part of all of this, and I'll donate MC club. 888 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 4: I'll donate because he he he's a joy, good, good 889 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 4: freaking football player. That's what should have been his draft tag. 890 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: A lot of teds Johnson pop two man as if 891 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: they need another wide receiver, and this is the time 892 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: of year where like smaller receivers, we're going to get 893 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: to one with the Panthers to tend to shine the 894 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: most because there's not you know, as much tackling and 895 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: everything but it's been a good camp for Tess's that's 896 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: my trend piece, tes Walker in Baltimore, Tesz Johnson. 897 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 2: And of course they're types very very different. Tess Johnson said, 898 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: you know, because they were asking him. You know, he 899 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 2: wants to make guys miss every single time he catches 900 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: the ball. That can be a detriment to some guys, 901 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,799 Speaker 2: but in camp, you know, you're trying to make a team, 902 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 2: trying to make a name for yourself. Go ahead, try 903 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 2: to shake down six guys and go go for sixty yards, 904 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: which he's been trying to do. The Grizzard era has 905 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 2: had a nice start, according to Coach Bowls, and they 906 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 2: are going to have a nighttime stadium practice. They asked 907 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 2: thought Bulls what it does, and he's like, nothing other 908 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 2: than to get them prepared. They do have four night 909 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 2: games this year, and so they get a night time 910 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 2: prep schedule as well as there's some record breaking tempts 911 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: in Tampa, and so it gives them a chance to cool. 912 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: And probably, like to be fair to Todd Bowles, I 913 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: doubt he came up with that plan, although maybe he did. 914 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: It was probably just like, hey, let's let's get the 915 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: fans in here and I it'll be cool and anything. 916 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: You know, fan forward, I'm all for. Are you want 917 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: to go Panthers or Saints next? 918 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 2: I have Saints next, just because I don't know why 919 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 2: he did that order, but yeah, positives for Calvin Banks 920 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 2: had some opportunities to look good. Unfortunately, the Trevor Pinning 921 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 2: experiment might be running out of locations on the offensive line. 922 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 3: I think he's starting he's a guard, but it is 923 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 3: there has. 924 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 2: Been some like Brian Breesy had an opportunity and this 925 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 2: was this was pre Pads where there were some embarrassing 926 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 2: reps for Trevor Pinning at guard. Speaking of Brecy, the 927 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 2: Saints defense, both Chase Young and Justin Reid have mentioned 928 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 2: freedom within regards to Brandon Staley's defense, and I don't 929 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: think that's just folks taking a shot at DA although 930 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 2: there have been. 931 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 4: No that's the same thing Jalen Ramsey said when he 932 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,400 Speaker 4: played in for Brandon Staley for the first time. I 933 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 4: love that Justin Reid is in that system. Yeah, I 934 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 4: mean he's going to be that the do it all 935 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 4: conductor of that system. And I know Staley catches a 936 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 4: lot of heat, but like he's got a good plan 937 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 4: for his defense, and it maximizes players and it gives 938 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 4: them answers to the test that they're seeking and allows 939 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 4: them to play in a way that makes them feel comfortable. 940 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 4: And that that was what it was with with Jalen 941 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 4: and he said that all the time. And I love 942 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 4: that they're feeling that. I'm not. It's just it's cool 943 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 4: because Justin Reid deserves that. 944 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's one of those places where comfort allows 945 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 2: you that level of aggression and confidence to play. And 946 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 2: that's worked for Granderson as well, where coach Moore actually 947 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 2: highlighted our Granderson a couple of times in camp in 948 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 2: the in the post practice speeches to the team where 949 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 2: they put Granderson tape up and they're like, this is 950 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 2: what we want as a New Orleans Saint. This is 951 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 2: the level of play and competition that we'd like to have. 952 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 2: So this this daily effect has been good. Over on 953 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 2: the offensive side, it's it's shuck, it's rattler. J Cayner 954 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 2: hasn't seen that many reps, but they're you know, they're alternating. 955 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 5: They're playing football first team reps, and I've. 956 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 3: Tried to get excited. 957 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: It's early, Like supposedly the Bucks defense has kind of 958 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: been dominating too, so you just you never know when 959 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: a de fences dominating early. 960 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 3: But all accounts, you know. 961 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: I've been listening to the coverage and our friends at 962 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: the Saints block party podcasters we'll see down there at 963 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: Saints training camp and Irvine. I think the offense has 964 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,319 Speaker 1: been rough overall, and that Rather's been better. That Chuck 965 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 1: is looking like a rookie, kind of like a Jackson 966 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: Dart type of thing where he's just holding on to 967 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 1: the ball and not making decisions. 968 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 3: It is so early, I don't want to go too crazy. 969 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: My bigger takeaway actually is the story, which seems like 970 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: it's just like a like one of those features that 971 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: means nothing, but I actually think does mean something. That 972 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore was showing the Saints Pacers basketball footage. I 973 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: love a good cross sport comp That says a lot 974 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: to me about who he wants them to be. Like 975 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: the fastest paced team in the entire league by a 976 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: decent amount, that played their brand of football. Now can 977 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: they possibly pull that off with this quarterback? I don't know, 978 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: but I do think like Kellen Moore is banging the like, 979 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: let's get a lot of plays in let's play extremely fast. 980 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: It's risky, that's putting a lot on their defense potentially 981 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: too to be on the field more overall, but it's 982 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: in I find it interesting if nothing else, if they're 983 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: actually gonna play that way. 984 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's tough to get the the image of 985 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 2: Hoghy going down in Game seven out of my head. 986 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 2: But you know, as far as like a comp because 987 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,919 Speaker 2: this Saints team, especially wide receiver, is very very thin, 988 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 2: they're gonna need They're gonna need those guys to to 989 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 2: all make it through and perhaps you know, see how 990 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 2: things go, somebody that's probably a good football player is 991 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 2: going to be cut from somewhere else, and you know, 992 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,719 Speaker 2: be on the lookout for the acquisition there because through 993 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 2: the draft, through free agency you waited, uh to try 994 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 2: to get some explosiveness there. 995 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 3: And it's just it's all Shaheed baby, all the time. 996 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: If I have a takeaway one, if I had to 997 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 1: pick one takeaway from Saints early Nick Underhill and Mike 998 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: Triplet who do New Orleans football, like, it's kind of 999 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 1: just Shaheed dominating everything like volume plus like he to 1000 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: me is an early fantasy winner. Yeah, and I and 1001 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: he's added weight in he's so fast that you don't 1002 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: worry about him slowing down that like if he's the 1003 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: one and a lot of if it's one A and 1004 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: one B whatever, it's going to be like I am 1005 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: buying my Shaheed stock. 1006 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 3: Although this offense, I know. 1007 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 2: As you should, as he made plays the literal first 1008 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 2: time he got his hands on the ball in the NFL, 1009 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 2: and the player that I will point to for the 1010 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 2: rest of my chance to speak into a microphone. Ever, 1011 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 2: as a failure of the entire draft process for a 1012 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,240 Speaker 2: guy who had his level of production at school, granted, 1013 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 2: you know, at a lower level, whatever that means, he's 1014 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 2: come out and produced ever since. And yeah, if you're 1015 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 2: if you have hoop dreams or whatever. 1016 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 4: To try to another crossboard reference. 1017 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 2: Yes, it's like the systems in place to evaluate talent 1018 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 2: utterly fail sometimes. 1019 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: Like in if everyone's worried to about the Saints offense, 1020 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: thinking if if you get a ton of plays in, 1021 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,360 Speaker 1: you get more yards in such stowns, it hurt you know, 1022 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 1: your defense. 1023 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 4: A little bit of a throwback Kellen Moore, Boise State, Kellen. 1024 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 2: Right, that's. 1025 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: Because everyone we're asking the question, what is a Kellen 1026 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: Moore offense, and the Eagles, you know, played out a 1027 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: good pace too. I think it's the single most underrated 1028 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: part of why they destroyed the Chiefs in the Super 1029 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,280 Speaker 1: Bowl is they were playing so much faster than Spags 1030 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: of all people was ready for. Like the tempo in 1031 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 1: that game was awesome, and so maybe Kellen Moore bringing 1032 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: that over all. Right, let's wrap up the South with 1033 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:35,360 Speaker 1: the Panthers. 1034 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so the Panthers have their first day in Pats 1035 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 2: on Sunday. Dave Knaalis loves his basketball team of wide 1036 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 2: receivers where he's got the full spread. As you mentioned, 1037 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,359 Speaker 2: you have a team ac who they did note which 1038 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,879 Speaker 2: the team obviously felt because of where they drafted him. 1039 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 2: The forty time concerns go out the window when you 1040 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,720 Speaker 2: see him actually playing football. He's been good. He's been solid. 1041 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,399 Speaker 2: Of course, the they've given Adam Thelen some of those 1042 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,440 Speaker 2: management days and times for him. And Hunter Renfro, who 1043 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,160 Speaker 2: his college coach Dabos when he was at camp and 1044 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 2: made a comment about Hunter Renfro not really looking like much, 1045 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 2: but then he puts his helmet on his Superman So 1046 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 2: I asked Bryce about that, and Bryce was like, I 1047 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 2: don't think it's you know, I have the right to 1048 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 2: be talking about other people's bodies very dead pan, which 1049 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 2: is like classic Bryce and hilarious. 1050 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 3: I think he's Yeah, I. 1051 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 4: Love him so much. Also, the Panthers have never once 1052 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 4: drafted a Clemson player, and yet Dabo's there at the 1053 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 4: brink they've never drafted. 1054 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: He saw an opportunity for one time they've never quote was, yeah, 1055 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,239 Speaker 1: I'm not the one who should be talking about what 1056 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,399 Speaker 1: a normal person's body. 1057 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:44,320 Speaker 2: Literally. 1058 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 4: Good for Bryce, Gosh, I love that guy. Oh my god. 1059 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm buying Renfro as a guy who's back in the 1060 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,960 Speaker 1: NFL and helps this team out in a position where 1061 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: you're not really sure what you're going to get outside 1062 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 1: of feeling like tech mill and I think is going 1063 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040 Speaker 1: to be starting and I have faith in can be solid, 1064 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: and then maybe Renfro has a bigger role than people think. 1065 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 4: I just really like the vibes of that room because 1066 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 4: you've got Lagette, who's just a joy to be around, 1067 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 4: it seems like, and you've got Tet, who, by all 1068 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,400 Speaker 4: accounts teammates loved, very chill guy, competitive, feelin sort of 1069 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 4: the you know, driving the minivan to school with all 1070 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 4: the younger guys in the back, you know, and Hunter Renfro, 1071 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 4: who again by all accounts, is like great to be around, nice, 1072 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,839 Speaker 4: nice dude, and Bryce is an all time nice guy. 1073 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,000 Speaker 4: Like you want everybody to have some teeth once it's 1074 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 4: time to play, which I expect they will, but I 1075 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 4: just I like the vibes they say. 1076 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: Like, don't overreact to the one on ones. It's tough 1077 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: on the corner back and everything in this setting. Of course, 1078 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: Hunter Renfro is going to be good, and that's setting, 1079 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,240 Speaker 1: but you can take yourself out of that and actually 1080 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: watch it and see Hunter Renfro like make j C. 1081 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: Horn just like undress him in a way where the 1082 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: footwork is like, oh, that's actually back to peak under 1083 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,839 Speaker 1: renfer where he gets opened by five yards within about 1084 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,239 Speaker 1: a second and be like ooh, I can see the pop. 1085 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 3: So I saw the pop. 1086 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 1: As long as he can stay healthy, like I think 1087 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: they might have kind of some found money there. It's 1088 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,480 Speaker 1: like a third fourth receiver. I'm not getting crazy, but 1089 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: someone that can help them out. 1090 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's still obviously not just based on what 1091 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 2: happened last year, but defensively there's a waste to go 1092 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 2: with regards to talent Acquisition, actually released Josie Jewel, who 1093 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 2: of course had the brain injury last year. Still dealing 1094 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 2: with that Christian rose Boom. 1095 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 4: We'll get an opportunity was the green dot in LA 1096 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,759 Speaker 4: last year, and so you know he'll have a. 1097 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 2: Chance to try to make something go on this defense 1098 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 2: that doesn't really have a lot of reason to celebrate, 1099 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,919 Speaker 2: but you know, there's always a chance. 1100 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So there's always a chance on these shows when 1101 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 1: we hit all sixteen teams that we get a little meaty. 1102 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 1: But I've heard from the people, not only do the 1103 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:01,680 Speaker 1: Claybond Vivans you know, miss you, Uh, they want to 1104 00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,920 Speaker 1: hear from each and every team in the NFL. So 1105 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll wrap 1106 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: up with the. 1107 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,720 Speaker 3: NFC North. 1108 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:27,799 Speaker 1: H y back on NFL Daily and uh, if you're 1109 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 1: watching on YouTube like subscribe, they faded in with uh 1110 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and his glasses. 1111 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 3: And uh they were of a commentary on all the 1112 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,320 Speaker 3: frames rating back to me. 1113 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: Then, I mean we're both you know, smaller individuals. Certainly 1114 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,080 Speaker 1: Mike is for like an NFL coach, I would take 1115 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: it though. These are new frames. So when glasses today 1116 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,320 Speaker 1: and I'm feeling. 1117 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 3: Good at it. Should forget Lasik. I likeses. That's what 1118 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,080 Speaker 3: I say. 1119 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 2: Your vision, your choice. 1120 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: Do I have the vibe of a Mike McDaniel like 1121 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: I could aspire to? But I don't think so. The Lions, 1122 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 1: Let's start with them. I feel like we need to 1123 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,200 Speaker 1: just do more on the Lions. I have a bat 1124 00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm bad at self scouting, but I feel like the 1125 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: Lions are almost under talked about for how like fascinating 1126 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: and excellent they are as a team. So we'll try 1127 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,920 Speaker 1: to make your show right here. I know, but I 1128 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: don't really even know if that's remotely true. I do 1129 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,719 Speaker 1: love hearing that Aiden Hutchinson is like the best player 1130 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,160 Speaker 1: on the deal, Like he looks like his old self. 1131 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,400 Speaker 1: There's no ramping up. Maybe that's a benefit of like 1132 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,800 Speaker 1: how early that injury happened and everything, But it's just 1133 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,360 Speaker 1: been by all accounts like full hutch He's back. Looks 1134 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: like one of the position battles has already been decided. 1135 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,240 Speaker 1: Somewhat surprising that Dan Campbell kind of indicated on Tuesday 1136 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: Graham Glasgow, who's been there as a as a reserve 1137 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: kind of swing guy, like play you know a lot 1138 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: of starting positions is probably going to be the center, 1139 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: not the rookie Tate Ratliche, who had the first three 1140 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 1: days of camp at center. 1141 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,839 Speaker 3: So maybe they didn't go well. 1142 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: I don't really know what happened, but there's a good 1143 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,400 Speaker 1: chance Ratleige is going to start for this team anyways 1144 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: at right guard. So it's just figuring out the right 1145 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: equation and wanting to get as many reps as possible 1146 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: I think in those spots. And maybe they just decided 1147 00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: the rookies not ready for center, but that he'll be 1148 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 1: ready for right guard, which is obviously. 1149 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 3: Very important too. 1150 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,640 Speaker 1: And this is a team weirdly as talented as they are, 1151 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,960 Speaker 1: Like I am really interested in the rookies on this team, 1152 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: like Tyleek Williams. 1153 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:35,360 Speaker 4: This. 1154 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: Big guy, and then like a fire hydrant like has 1155 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,800 Speaker 1: a chance right now because of injuries, like he is lining. 1156 00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:42,319 Speaker 3: Up as a starter. 1157 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,680 Speaker 1: Some people thought that was a reach for them, but 1158 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,520 Speaker 1: a guy that they absolutely wanted and so far he 1159 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: is starting right now. So even though they have so 1160 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,439 Speaker 1: many like great players, I think it is a team 1161 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: where I'm looking at both the rookies and like the 1162 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 1: development of some young players. 1163 00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 3: We can get into that are really important to them. 1164 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,839 Speaker 2: Well, everything you're concerned about, the development being that Aaron 1165 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 2: Glynn as well as you know Ben Johnson or elsewhere. Yes, 1166 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,919 Speaker 2: developing players and both fan bases there in New York 1167 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 2: and Chicago are feeling good about the level of development 1168 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 2: where it's it's going to be different for the first 1169 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,439 Speaker 2: time in a long time, and knew what he's gone 1170 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,440 Speaker 2: and you just wonder what that process is going to 1171 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 2: be like. But you just have to have faith and 1172 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,160 Speaker 2: Coach Campbell and I think I think our podcast as 1173 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,440 Speaker 2: an institution does respect yes and pay attention. 1174 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 3: To the no we do. 1175 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,360 Speaker 1: I just like if I was like recording what teams 1176 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,640 Speaker 1: get the most, I'd like to actually get data on that. 1177 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 3: Can you go to work on. 1178 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to get down on that too, because 1179 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 4: I actually believe that something that fans off and complain 1180 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 4: about is not actually the case. 1181 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,800 Speaker 1: What that we go to rams. But we did just 1182 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: do a whole show, but it had been like like 1183 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640 Speaker 1: a month before we doing training camps. Yes, they happen to. 1184 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,240 Speaker 3: Be in the area. 1185 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: We do not, unfortunately have the budget to leave the area, 1186 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,320 Speaker 1: but we are able to drive to the camps that 1187 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:00,399 Speaker 1: are nearby and there. 1188 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:01,879 Speaker 3: It was a great time. 1189 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 1: I loved hearing from Colton Pounty, who I think is 1190 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,800 Speaker 1: one of the best beat writers in the game. He 1191 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: works for The Athletic that he thought Terry and Ardold 1192 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: was maybe the most impressive player in all of their 1193 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: training camp. But then on Tuesday we heard that he 1194 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,400 Speaker 1: left with a hamstring injury. That's obviously, like you know, 1195 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,319 Speaker 1: one of the least favorite things that you can hear 1196 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 1: at this time of year, because that could be a 1197 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,080 Speaker 1: multi week thing to try to get him better. But 1198 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,200 Speaker 1: his development is really important. Hendon Hooker, I think his 1199 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,320 Speaker 1: development is important as like their backup quarterback, just just 1200 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: in case they need it. And I mentioned like the 1201 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,600 Speaker 1: rookie class, I mean, like there are potentially some snaps 1202 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: available for these rookies and Isaac Taslaw who was like 1203 00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,640 Speaker 1: this total surprise third round pick. Some some like big 1204 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: play pop and then everyone's doing the camp pipe thing 1205 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 1: with this seventh rounderd Dominic love it. So I'm going 1206 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on him like in camp. But 1207 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: like as if the Lions needed more weapons, I know, 1208 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean. 1209 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 4: They know what they like, right, They go after trades 1210 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 4: of guys that they like Teslaw was certainly no different. 1211 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,680 Speaker 4: And even the late round picks, they go after these 1212 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,480 Speaker 4: traits of players and they say, Okay, we like you. 1213 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 4: We don't really care what order we draft you in, 1214 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 4: what round we draft you in. And I think people 1215 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 4: were really expecting and hoping that Teslaw would pop in 1216 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480 Speaker 4: camp because they were ready to. I think people were 1217 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,640 Speaker 4: ready to be excited about him. He seems like an 1218 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,919 Speaker 4: interesting it'll be interesting to see like where he fits 1219 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 4: in specifically, but in like what positions he plays or I. 1220 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,680 Speaker 1: Feel like he would be in the Jamison Williams track. 1221 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: But Jamison Williams is obviously there, maturing and better each 1222 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: and every year, using Jimmy or Gibs a little more, 1223 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,479 Speaker 1: maybe as a receiver, not that they didn't do that before, 1224 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: but maybe even expanding that a little bit. Alex Aandzeloni 1225 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,520 Speaker 1: who wants a new contract and they're like chanting pay 1226 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: Alex at Dan Campbell when he's doing interviews, which is 1227 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of funny. He's back, though, he's not going to 1228 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,680 Speaker 1: do a hold and he's going to practice. Let's go 1229 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,520 Speaker 1: to the Bears, another team where I think the rookies 1230 00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 1: are really interesting. Luther Burden, who they took high in 1231 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 1: the second round. Has basically been day to day since May. 1232 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,160 Speaker 1: Like he's getting closer, but he is he is falling behind, 1233 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: missing that much in mini camps and OTAs, and now 1234 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,440 Speaker 1: the first week plus of training camp. 1235 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,440 Speaker 4: Was back as of the day we're recording this. Did 1236 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,440 Speaker 4: get into practice as of the day we're recording this, 1237 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 4: which is a Tuesday. 1238 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: That's great to hear, and they've been trying to do more. 1239 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams under center. That's interesting to hear. Like they're 1240 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: they're playing Ozzie Trapila, who they drafted. 1241 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,720 Speaker 4: My second favorite prospect second. 1242 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 3: Round, Like that was a little surprising. 1243 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 1: Is their left tackle, but Braxton Jones has been hurt, 1244 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,400 Speaker 1: but he might get to start. Colston Lovelin is back 1245 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,720 Speaker 1: out there now. He was injured obviously in the in 1246 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: the off season, and he's making catches. So that's great 1247 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,960 Speaker 1: to hear, but it's it's a lot of the Bears 1248 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 1: often struggling. That narrative hasn't changed yet, so it's been 1249 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of okay, like take everyone, take a 1250 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: deep breath, but like it hasn't been right off the bat. 1251 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's offense just lighting it up in training camp, 1252 00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: which is normal. 1253 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes the process of trying to execute the 1254 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 2: little things which aren't little, you know, they're they're very big. 1255 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 2: But I think people have this expectation of, yeah, you know, 1256 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna run hooking ladders, jack backflips to you know, 1257 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 2: Braxton Jones, and it's just that they're working on process, 1258 00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 2: getting plays and executing like all the things where it 1259 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 2: really fell apart last year for the Bears. They're kind 1260 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 2: of starting from the ground, which makes sense. 1261 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if Bears fans do not want to 1262 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,720 Speaker 4: panic about this or sky is following this, go back 1263 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,680 Speaker 4: and watch some of Ben Johnson's early games that he's 1264 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,880 Speaker 4: that he called for the Lions, some early offenses even 1265 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 4: before he was in the the OC chair, when he 1266 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,400 Speaker 4: was still a coach there. Look At how messy some 1267 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,120 Speaker 4: of that stuff was. Look At how difficult some of 1268 00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 4: that stuff was. What I like hearing out of Bears 1269 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 4: camp right now is they are stress testing Caleb Williams 1270 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,760 Speaker 4: because there are certain things that he is just going 1271 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,360 Speaker 4: to have to do better on a fundamental level, as 1272 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 4: any quarterback who comes into this league has to know 1273 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 4: and has to understand and Okay, so he happens to, 1274 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 4: by the way, be a year behind on all of 1275 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 4: these little types of things that will become the standard 1276 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,000 Speaker 4: in this building. It's not going to be this like 1277 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,920 Speaker 4: gorgeous piece of artwork immediately, and anyone who is expecting 1278 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 4: that is fooling themselves. 1279 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Well, then I think Bears fans are potentially fooling themselves. 1280 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,800 Speaker 1: I think the expectations are high. But I love that 1281 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 1: compy made to that Lion's offense because that was a 1282 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,840 Speaker 1: bad offense for most of that season, and they really 1283 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: took off in December, like suddenly you were like, oh, 1284 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: like okay, this is totally but they were under twenty 1285 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 1: points a game for three quarters of that season essentially, 1286 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: and then they took off, and that happened. 1287 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes. 1288 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 1: I think this team is more talented. I think they 1289 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,520 Speaker 1: don't have to have that big of a learning curve, 1290 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,240 Speaker 1: but they could. They should have won obviously they have 1291 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: for a week. By the way, their second rounder Shamar Turner, 1292 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,040 Speaker 1: I mention mentioned in that rookie recap, is going to 1293 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,680 Speaker 1: be out a month. They are pretty deep at defensive tackles, 1294 01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: so I would say in terms of like early impact, 1295 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna hurt this year's team, but 1296 01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, their their best cornerback, one of the best 1297 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,640 Speaker 1: players on their team, is missing several weeks of camp 1298 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: with an injury. 1299 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 3: So you never like to see that. 1300 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Don't like to see Justin Jefferson out with the hamstring? 1301 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Is there even like this, like the smallest bit of 1302 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,400 Speaker 1: concern that like a player that could when he's out 1303 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: or I don't know, anytime Justin Jefferson, I know, because 1304 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,560 Speaker 1: it's like hasn't even been treated as a thing. So 1305 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: it's like, I think people almost are so used to 1306 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,080 Speaker 1: players almost sitting out early in camp, but you know, 1307 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: it's definitely something to monitor. You hope you don't look 1308 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: back in November and think, like, oh, that's that's been 1309 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: a nagging thing all year. 1310 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like sitting out to manage workload is one thing, 1311 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 2: but like having an actual injury. Yeah, it's definitely cause 1312 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 2: for concern for one of the best players. 1313 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,480 Speaker 4: Off tissue too explosive speed, soft tissue injury. 1314 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: It's yeah, favor to hear, Yeah, it's it's not great. 1315 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,960 Speaker 1: Lucky Jackson has been the one mostly replacing him, which 1316 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,280 Speaker 1: was surprised to hear. They're actually pretty deep at receiver. 1317 01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,280 Speaker 1: I like their receiver. 1318 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,360 Speaker 4: The reason why that's happening is because they're like, hey man, 1319 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,200 Speaker 4: this will never be a thing you need to do, 1320 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,440 Speaker 4: but we need someone out there. Like, and I say 1321 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,920 Speaker 4: that super respectfully, but you're not coming in and replacing Justin. 1322 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 3: Jefferson, right, keep everyone else. 1323 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:15,640 Speaker 1: Tell him. 1324 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 4: Running those routes. That's all you are, Right. 1325 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: You have Jalen Naylor, who's kind of gonna be there 1326 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: three most likely. You have Ty Felton, who was a rookie, Like, 1327 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: keep him doing what he does. You have Rondelle Moore. 1328 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not trying to move all the other pieces 1329 01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:31,600 Speaker 4: of the offense around. 1330 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: But who knows, he's like a third year undrafted guy 1331 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 1: that that maybe is his earniest spot on the lucky break. 1332 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 3: You know. I like what you did there. I I 1333 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 3: like this theory. 1334 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,800 Speaker 1: I've I've heard from Purple Daily that what Jordan Addison 1335 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,920 Speaker 1: does well and Justin Jefferson I think said something interesting 1336 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: that like, hey, Jordan Addison actually does some things better 1337 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,400 Speaker 1: than I do, like in terms of wide receiver play, 1338 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,120 Speaker 1: in terms of how quickly he can get open and 1339 01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,240 Speaker 1: is like his package of releases. 1340 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,400 Speaker 3: I don't think that was it specifically, but just I was. 1341 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,400 Speaker 1: Like wow to say, like on the quick stuff that 1342 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: maybe Jordan Addison not only is he one of the 1343 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,680 Speaker 1: better second receivers in the league, but that he fits 1344 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,920 Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy is good at, which is probably the 1345 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,560 Speaker 1: quick passing like a little more naturally like McCarthy hasn't 1346 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: always shown like the best touch on the intermediate throws. 1347 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: It's like all fastball all the time. And that's where 1348 01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,120 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson does a lot of work. Obviously, you know JJ, 1349 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,360 Speaker 1: that the two jjs can get going down the field, 1350 01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,160 Speaker 1: but that you might see a little uptick in maybe 1351 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,320 Speaker 1: like the production is like a little closer between them. 1352 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,160 Speaker 1: Obviously Justin Jefferson's a much better player, but that Addison 1353 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,760 Speaker 1: might even have a better fit with with JJ McCarthy 1354 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,160 Speaker 1: in this offense. 1355 01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,560 Speaker 3: He's going to get a lot of reps this camp. 1356 01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I for one would like to see 1357 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 4: more quick outlets, quick releases, things that you know, solutions 1358 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,960 Speaker 4: to pressure. I really would like to see that built 1359 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,000 Speaker 4: in more regularly into this offense. That's what killed this 1360 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 4: offense last year was their line fell apart and they 1361 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,080 Speaker 4: didn't have enough answers to quick pressure, including the run game. 1362 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: You need it in practice when you're going against Brian 1363 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Flores because John tell Us is out there, who just 1364 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,160 Speaker 1: got his contract, and he's saying, like, we feel like 1365 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,400 Speaker 1: we're at the masters level now, like we have graduated. 1366 01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 3: And it's true if you when I'm making that list 1367 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 3: of the best so much. 1368 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm making the list of the best defense 1369 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,200 Speaker 1: is like Seattle's my pick of like the underdogs to 1370 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,040 Speaker 1: pick it. But I think the most likely team personally 1371 01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: is the Minnesota Vikings, with all respect to the Broncos, 1372 01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: who was another good option, but I see it because the. 1373 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,760 Speaker 3: Continuity and the talent is crazy. 1374 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: If they have a weakness, it's cornerback, where you love 1375 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: Byron Murphy, but Isaiah Rodgers is their cornerback two coming 1376 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia, and right now Jeff Acuda is their cornerback three. 1377 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,920 Speaker 3: Just something to keep an eye on. 1378 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,120 Speaker 1: Makai Blackman is there, and for the third straight training camp, 1379 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: we're hearing that Sam Howell is not getting a lot 1380 01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,280 Speaker 1: done as a quarterback. So that's it's a little concerning 1381 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: if if JJ McCarthy ever went down. Let's wrap our 1382 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:56,120 Speaker 1: sixteen teams with the Green Bay Packers and we haven't 1383 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 1: had any sound on the show, so let's just listen 1384 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 1: to Jordan Love with our friend Stacey Dales on NFL 1385 01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Network talking about a good surprise from draft weekend. 1386 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 6: First off, I was definitely surprised, you know, going in 1387 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,040 Speaker 6: that first round, having the draft here in Green Bay 1388 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,640 Speaker 6: and hearing them, you know, Martin Murfield, they're talking about 1389 01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 6: for the first time since two thousand whatever getting a receiver. 1390 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,320 Speaker 6: So I was pretty excited about that. Bringing Matthew Golden 1391 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 6: ring say uh from TCU and men, those are two 1392 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,360 Speaker 6: guys that I think are going to add, you know, 1393 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 6: just a more dynamic threat to our passing game. But 1394 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,200 Speaker 6: like you said, we got a lot of weapons. We 1395 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:30,960 Speaker 6: got a lot of different guys, like you said, that 1396 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,400 Speaker 6: can do different things. 1397 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,720 Speaker 1: Well, one thing I've noticed, like about the camp reports, 1398 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,200 Speaker 1: and you can hear from Jordan Love, there is like 1399 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,880 Speaker 1: they're throwing Matthew Golden into the deep end right away, 1400 01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: like that. 1401 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 3: End around first team. 1402 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,120 Speaker 1: That's what I want him and Jaden Reid kind of 1403 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,200 Speaker 1: getting the most targets about what you expect. 1404 01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,440 Speaker 4: That's I mean, I said it when he was drafted. 1405 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 4: I think he's going to be the volume one receiver. 1406 01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,800 Speaker 4: It might not look like an X all the time, 1407 01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,800 Speaker 4: but I do think he will ultimately be the volume 1408 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,680 Speaker 4: number one receiver on this offense. 1409 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 1: There's a reporter for them in Herman who who's been 1410 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,000 Speaker 1: banging that. Dontavian Wicks has been looking fantastic. He's gotten 1411 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot of volume too. 1412 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:05,400 Speaker 3: You never know. 1413 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,960 Speaker 1: He is a talented enough player where if your biggest 1414 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,880 Speaker 1: problem is drops, that's something that can correct itself. 1415 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 3: He does get open, He's explosive. He could be like 1416 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 3: a nice three for them. 1417 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,120 Speaker 1: I think he got hurt or at least left practice 1418 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,920 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, so we don't know if that's serious or not, 1419 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,440 Speaker 1: but it didn't It sounded a little more serious unfortunately 1420 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Patrick for their their backup running back Marshaun Lloyd, who 1421 01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:29,120 Speaker 1: had a non contact injury. They were kind of careful 1422 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,960 Speaker 1: to trying to say that that wasn't the play that 1423 01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,080 Speaker 1: Nate Hobbs ran into him and also kind of hurt him. 1424 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,360 Speaker 1: They were trying I think they were saying that that 1425 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 1: that it was separate, But there's been some a bunch 1426 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,920 Speaker 1: of those Nate Hobbs plays to the to the point 1427 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,960 Speaker 1: where the coach had to like take him aside. And 1428 01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,040 Speaker 1: say like come down, bro, like we don't want to 1429 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,440 Speaker 1: hurt anyone, but that's disappointing from Marshawn Lloyd, wh's a 1430 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,120 Speaker 1: young running back and maybe we'll see how that backfield 1431 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: like looks like beyond Josh Jacobs. 1432 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and ultimately that's it's going to impact Josh Jacobs 1433 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,560 Speaker 2: as well because his workload was so exten so last season. 1434 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,240 Speaker 2: We saw the way that Lafleur was managing his workload 1435 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,439 Speaker 2: in the preseason early and then it's like all Josh 1436 01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 2: Jacobs all the time. Well, that's difficult to do, you know, 1437 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 2: back to back years where it's you're gonna have to 1438 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 2: get those carriers from somewhere and it puts more on agels. 1439 01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840 Speaker 1: They did get back Elkton Jenkins, who is not going 1440 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,400 Speaker 1: to hold in. He's not going to hold out, and 1441 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 1: he legitimately was just hurt and he said, like we 1442 01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: really tried, like we negotiated a lot and they're not 1443 01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,360 Speaker 1: going to give me my deal. And he basically he 1444 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,760 Speaker 1: was like you know what, Like I get it. I 1445 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,080 Speaker 1: am focused on becoming a great center. I'm under contract 1446 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of years. I am going to be 1447 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,640 Speaker 1: like the best center that I can possibly be they 1448 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,400 Speaker 1: asked him for his permission actually to to change his 1449 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,120 Speaker 1: positions because that can affect your money too. And he 1450 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,800 Speaker 1: hasn't played center at the NFL level, and he's been 1451 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,160 Speaker 1: an awesome player at tackle and guard. It's he is 1452 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 1: literally the most versatile offensive lineman in the NFL. And 1453 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: he sold me he has a good attitude and I 1454 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 1: love that offensive. 1455 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,800 Speaker 4: I am always pro players getting paid, as I know 1456 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 4: we all are on this show, but I can't help 1457 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 4: but kind of go oh when I hear that, because 1458 01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,439 Speaker 4: we need to figure out bottle whatever the Packers do 1459 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,639 Speaker 4: scouting wise, to find these homegrown offensive linemen year after 1460 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 4: year after year, because not only is it a highly 1461 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,320 Speaker 4: highly talented group, but also they just sort of seemed 1462 01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 4: to be so for the team. Whatever the team needs, 1463 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 4: they seem to be for just this very team first 1464 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:34,479 Speaker 4: all the time. 1465 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,479 Speaker 1: In general that team is I totally agree, and I 1466 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,760 Speaker 1: think there are a greater than the sum of their 1467 01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,320 Speaker 1: parts offensive line, Like year after year, there is something 1468 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 1: organizationally to that. 1469 01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,000 Speaker 2: And with that perspective from him and the way he's 1470 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,560 Speaker 2: approaching it, it makes me wonder what the gap was, like, 1471 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,400 Speaker 2: what's the maybe it was huge's. 1472 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:51,920 Speaker 4: What someone's gonna pay it. 1473 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,360 Speaker 1: It was probably huge, and he's kind of like, I'm 1474 01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,200 Speaker 1: going to get an All Pro season and then you're 1475 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,280 Speaker 1: gonna pay me a ton of money. 1476 01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,560 Speaker 4: I get and if not, someone will like guaranteed. 1477 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I also have kept an eye on that. 1478 01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,439 Speaker 1: You know, right now they have Keishaw Nixon and Nate 1479 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: Hobbs outside and uh Bullard in the slot, who's like 1480 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,439 Speaker 1: a safety is at the best group. 1481 01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:14,880 Speaker 3: We'll see. 1482 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,360 Speaker 1: They might have Carrington Valentine who's played a little better 1483 01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,560 Speaker 1: on the outside, and then you move Hobbs to the 1484 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,720 Speaker 1: inside where he was good. 1485 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:21,720 Speaker 3: We'll see, But. 1486 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,439 Speaker 4: It kind of depends on I mean, I'm this, I'm 1487 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 4: I've been on this beat for a couple months now. 1488 01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,639 Speaker 4: Is like, listen, if you're you might want a bigger 1489 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,920 Speaker 4: player in the slot. That might be why they're trying 1490 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,760 Speaker 4: to do this, because look at all the tight ends 1491 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,519 Speaker 4: they're going to have to defend in their own in 1492 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,040 Speaker 4: the NFC North. I mean, all these teams are moving 1493 01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 4: these bigger players down closer to the unavoidable area of 1494 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,920 Speaker 4: the field so that they're in these matchups with the 1495 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,080 Speaker 4: tight ends more often because they're losing the math often 1496 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,120 Speaker 4: everyone is against these tight ends. 1497 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,920 Speaker 1: It's a great final point to wrap the show on. 1498 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,080 Speaker 1: We hit it out of the park and we can 1499 01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,160 Speaker 1: try to come up with more Claybonn fan base names. 1500 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 1: No I think Pat we should marry up. No I 1501 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,120 Speaker 1: think bon Vivans Bonnie Bears could also be. What a 1502 01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,680 Speaker 1: great show every team in the NFC. Uh. We are 1503 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,280 Speaker 1: going to be back in this studio Jordan and we're 1504 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,200 Speaker 1: gonna all the news of the day and do a 1505 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,479 Speaker 1: deep dive on the Eagles. 1506 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 3: Looking forward to that. 1507 01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,920 Speaker 1: For Thursday's show, Patrick, we we release you into the 1508 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 1: inside training camp Wild Enjoy. 1509 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:30,519 Speaker 2: Have a new intro cell this year. 1510 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, the bon Vivants, they're represented. That's how you know 1511 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:35,639 Speaker 3: football is back.