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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? It's your girl, Serrika Foster Brasby.

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Speaker 3: What's up, y'all? It's your girls? Cheryl swoops Abe. They

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Speaker 3: can get a little extra something you did.

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Speaker 2: You did a little extra Swoops on that, as you know.

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Speaker 4: But that's what we do here at Levels to This

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Speaker 4: because this is the show where we share that it's

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Speaker 4: Levels to the ship that women go through. And we

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Speaker 4: have such a fun podcast today because we're gonna be

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Speaker 4: talking about some real shit that women go the room. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we've been going through it on certain things, especially knowing

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Speaker 4: that you know, we just came off All Star. They

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Speaker 4: got the orange carpet at All Star. Folks, y'all here

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Speaker 4: coming out and they best.

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Speaker 2: Doing like wearing what they want to wear. They be

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Speaker 4: Looking fly you know they do or not or facts

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Speaker 4: or not. Some of y'all do be missing the mark.

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Speaker 4: Some of y'all do be missing I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Saying I have to put that out.

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Speaker 3: I just had to put that out.

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say who, but everybody. Everybody ain't hitting. Nevertheless,

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Speaker 4: we recognize, you know that everybody has their own different style,

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Speaker 4: They do their own different thing as it relates to look.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I will say this, I never had

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Speaker 4: a stylist, right Like, I'm never like, I ain't got

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Speaker 4: no money, so you know, don't let TV fool you, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I'm broke. I can't afford no.

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Speaker 1: Stylists because the stylists they.

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Speaker 4: A pretty penny, They a pretty penny, okay, but I

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Speaker 4: did at one time, I did pay twenty dollars a

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Speaker 4: month for this online.

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Speaker 3: Oh I was there.

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Speaker 2: I already know where you're going.

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, And so she would do. She would send

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Speaker 4: me like, here's the looks. If this is the look

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Speaker 4: you want, this is where you can go and get

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Speaker 4: this from. This is how you put it together, like

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Speaker 4: that type of deal and that way, it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is my thing, I'm gonna roll with.

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Speaker 2: This is my thing. I'm gonna roll with this. I

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Speaker 4: And it was twenty dollars a month, right, So I

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Speaker 4: felt like I was supporting black businesses at.

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Speaker 2: The same time as it was a black woman and

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Speaker 4: A lot of fun. It was cool, and I did

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Speaker 4: like some of the things that she would suggest. However,

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Speaker 4: I still think that there are moments and there are

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Speaker 4: times where I look at something and I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 4: that's so cute, but I just could not pull it

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Speaker 4: off or I just could not wear it because I

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Speaker 4: And it kills me sometimes because I think my in

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Speaker 4: my head, those looks are like my style, Like if

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Speaker 4: I had the body for that, I would wear that.

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Speaker 4: Like when Jim was up here talking, so she went

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Speaker 4: shopping and you ain't had no loads, like you weren't

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Speaker 4: really buying that, I'm like, shit, that's.

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Speaker 2: What I was.

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Speaker 3: I was buying something.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, but you know.

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Speaker 1: Times change and we change and things change. I remember

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Speaker 1: just growing up, right, being younger.

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Speaker 3: Girls my age like they were filling out.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I remember asking my mom, like

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Speaker 3: When am I gonna get boobs with all.

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Speaker 1: The things right, And I remember my mom saying, you

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Speaker 1: time goes by and all right, finally, yep, I'm feeling out.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to go buy a bra, all the

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Speaker 1: things like, oh yes, was loving out? Can I tell

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Speaker 3: Wearing a bra, It's like the worst thing ever.

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Speaker 2: That's the first thing you take off when you get

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Speaker 3: If I have, if I put one off. But I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying, tey am, I maybe it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, it's not. It's not it's not

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Speaker 3: Probably a lot of women who feel that way.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why I bring that up is because

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Speaker 1: when you start talking about like like style and what

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Speaker 1: nine times out of ten, my outfit gonna be a right, right.

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Speaker 1: But what they don't truly know or understand is underneath

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Speaker 1: a sister is a bit.

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Speaker 3: Trying to find the right shape wear.

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Speaker 2: What do I put on with this?

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Speaker 1: There's a certain outfit I want to wear, but I

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Speaker 3: Like men, Men don't have to worry about this shit.

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Speaker 2: Men don't go through this shit.

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Speaker 4: It's like I'm refuse to believe. And you know what

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Speaker 4: I find interesting. I find interesting that now I start

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Speaker 4: to see videos on TikTok and Instagram of men doing shit.

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Speaker 4: I never thought I would see men do things like

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Speaker 4: adding actual hair, like not a too pay because I've

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Speaker 4: get like a girl. Yes, they're doing like full weeds

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Speaker 4: I can't even be mad because being mad at you

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Speaker 4: trying to make sure that your shit is the top

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Speaker 4: straight would be like you being mad at me because

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Speaker 2: Right, So like it's hypocritical.

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Speaker 3: So if this is what.

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Speaker 4: This is what makes me look good, you know, So

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Speaker 4: I totally get it. But it's like it feels like

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Speaker 4: because societal norms has its own standards of beauty what

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Speaker 4: you should look like, but you shouldn't. I've seen so

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Speaker 4: many articles over the last year or two that have

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Speaker 4: and not like physically bad, but like, oh, these women

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Speaker 2: Or then you see guys that are commenting on these.

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Speaker 2: Ready to take your fools, it's.

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Speaker 5: Just like.

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Speaker 4: A girl do just a feel that you're mad, a

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Speaker 4: girl do just to feel good about ourselves. It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: So on today's show, we have a very special guest

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Speaker 4: who's going to join us to just kind of talk about,

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Speaker 4: you know, creating your own style and just really what

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Speaker 4: it means to feel good and what you are and

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Speaker 4: who you are. And I am very excited to talk

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Speaker 4: to her because she is a ball of energy. She

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Speaker 4: brings a real perspective to the lane of fashion. She

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Speaker 4: is a celebrity stylist, award winning stylist, and she styles

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Speaker 4: one of the premier names in the WNBA. So without

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Speaker 4: further ado, let's just go ahead and take this to

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Speaker 4: the next level. So, guys, we are incredibly excited about

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Speaker 4: our conversation and our guests today because you know, we

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Speaker 4: love to build our show as the you know, the

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Speaker 2: The things that women go through.

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Speaker 4: And honey, don't nobody understand more than women when it

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Speaker 4: comes to feeling good, looking good, and how that impacts

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Speaker 2: And so we have brought in.

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Speaker 4: kind of honing in on this conversation around body positivity,

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Speaker 4: and that is our Girl, Image Consultant, award winning stylist,

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Speaker 4: the one who makes the Fista Collier look freaking amazing.

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Speaker 4: Our girl holding it down from Minnesota, Kimberly Stewart.

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Speaker 5: Oh my.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let me tell you. Let me tell you, guys.

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Speaker 4: I was in Minnesota last year for the w NBA

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Speaker 4: Finals and I had this little fit on that I

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Speaker 4: threw together. It was like this little pink blazer and

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Speaker 4: these kilojens, these little shoes.

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Speaker 2: And I was I was cute, you know.

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Speaker 4: In my head, I was like, okay, I could throw

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Speaker 2: I'm really cute.

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Speaker 4: And someone approached me and said that blazer, that fit,

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Speaker 4: that's who styled you. And I said, oh, I styled myself.

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Speaker 4: I don't really have a stylist. And she said, well,

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Speaker 2: And don't you have no stylists?

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Speaker 4: Come and tell me I put my stuff together right,

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Speaker 4: because now I ain't gonna know how toct And literally

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Speaker 4: from that conversation sparked of friendship in a sisterhood between

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Just black women coming together to show love.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that so first, before we

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Speaker 4: sure that our listeners know about you. So tell us

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Speaker 4: where are you from, How did you get into the industry,

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Speaker 4: What was it about what was it about the fashion

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Speaker 4: and styling and branding industry that really attracted you to it?

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, let me say thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 5: thank you, thank you for having me. I am so honored.

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Speaker 5: I'm already like holding back to yours. And I love y'all.

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Speaker 5: If I don't say it any time else, I love y'all. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So first and all, so I'm a little Mississippi girl.

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Speaker 5: I was born in Mississippi. I was born in the

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Speaker 5: little big town of Greenville, and my daddy's from Mississippi,

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Speaker 5: but my mother is from Minnesota. Like go figure, so

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Speaker 5: she moved us back up here. She thought I was

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Speaker 5: cute as a baby, started me modeling, and that child

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Speaker 5: put me on the runway, and honey, it was over

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Speaker 5: from there. They put me in a pink dress and

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Speaker 5: was Naomi Campbell and I was it. Okay, I was

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Speaker 5: all of five years old, and I was like, this

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Speaker 5: thing of fashion, it's for me. But you know, my

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Speaker 5: mother said, when I was little, like six months old,

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Speaker 5: I would look at people from their shoes up and

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Speaker 5: if I didn't like their shoes, like if I wasn't

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Speaker 5: rocking with their shoes, I wasn't rocking with them. So

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Speaker 5: like that was a thing like the little bougie baby right,

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Speaker 5: So you.

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Speaker 2: Started early like bougie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like them shoes don't even match. So as I

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Speaker 5: grow older, I was blessed to have two sisters who

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Speaker 5: are celebrity stylist. Shout out to them. They both do hair,

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Speaker 5: and so I was just already in the industry. You know,

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Speaker 5: And as Black women, we're so we're so like used

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Speaker 5: but it would make people talk. Let's hear home something

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: But then there are also societal norms that try to

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me use a little bit of TLIANK. Girl,

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Speaker 5: So, first of all, shapewear is about making sure that

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Speaker 5: Right? So there's times where you have to wear like

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Speaker 5: you've seen her. You know how fit that child is, right,

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Speaker 5: And because people are ignorant to what actual shapewear is,

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad that you mentioned the right thing.

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Speaker 4: I have put on what I thought was the proper shapewear,

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is not what I was going

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Speaker 5: And real talk, like people don't know that shapewear is

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Speaker 5: who's putting down the corsets? Because we know everybody that

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Speaker 5: so hush him out. That's shapewear.

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Speaker 3: But I just, man, this this topic is so.

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Speaker 5: For me.

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Speaker 1: It's very sensitive from a standpoint of and and Tia

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Speaker 3: Like I absolutely do not like my body right now.

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Speaker 1: So I am ordering, ordering, trying on going to stores.

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Speaker 3: I am trying to find every pos the little shapewear

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to find comfort. I'm trying to make

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Speaker 3: And to your point, Kimberly, for me, there's.

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Speaker 5: Okay, let me take a moment of privilege. So, Cheryl,

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Speaker 5: when are we doing our first appointment?

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Speaker 3: You're gonna be in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: I am me too. I am I leave in the morning,

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Speaker 5: So like we need to like just exchange the numbers

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Speaker 5: that I need to get it together for you, girl,

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Speaker 5: because listen, I'm gonna give you a prime example. I

447
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Speaker 5: have three different types of bodysuits. So I wear bodysuit shapewear.

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Speaker 5: I don't always wear like a girdle or a panty

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Speaker 5: shapewear or you know, a brad shapewear. I have these

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Speaker 5: bodysuits that have just a little bit of an extra

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Speaker 5: almost like a compression sock. Okay, you're used to those,

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Speaker 5: you know all about that player of ball, right, And

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Speaker 5: so I don't get them in the recommended sizing that

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Speaker 5: they say to get them. They say get them two

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Speaker 5: sizes down. I don't do that because I want to

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Speaker 5: wear them every day. I want to be comfortable, and

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Speaker 5: so I wear large every day. But my shapewear is

458
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Speaker 5: an extra large because I'm not trying to make it

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Speaker 5: to wear all of a sudden, like I can't breathe

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Speaker 5: by dinnertime, okay, because I'm gonna eat dinner. Yeah, and

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get a second helper.

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Speaker 2: Desert and a dessert.

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Speaker 5: And I deserve and a dessert, honey. So but but

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Speaker 5: what I'm also going to do is get the shapewear

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Speaker 5: to keep me molded throughout the day. So I just

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Speaker 5: make sure that the bodysuit, you know, can hold me

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Speaker 5: in and not do too much like you know, don't don't,

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Speaker 5: don't be too too much. Okay, on the on the

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Speaker 5: squeeze in my stomach and my esophagus because you kind

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Speaker 5: of breathe. Because when I was assigned to they were

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Speaker 5: puting in things that were like taking the circulation off

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Speaker 5: like side.

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Speaker 4: I forget because you gotta breathe. The things so tight

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Speaker 4: you can't breathe. I would love to know if there

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Speaker 4: is a piece of advice, maybe for someone who doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a stylist, or someone who's looking to change something

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Speaker 4: about how they appear so that they can feel good

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Speaker 4: and feel better about themselves.

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Speaker 2: What piece of advice would that be or would you give?

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Speaker 5: So no, especially for women. Let me talk to the

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Speaker 5: women first, and then I'm gonna talk to the men,

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Speaker 5: because I style both. Okay, So for women, know that, like,

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Speaker 5: we have a beauty that men don't have, and that's

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Speaker 5: why God created us. And stand in your power when

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Speaker 5: it comes to fashion. You can always change your clothes.

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Speaker 5: Who cares? You can always change your clothes. But here's

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Speaker 5: my philosophy. It must fit if it don't fit, take

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Speaker 5: it off, get a seamstress, go to the tailor. I

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Speaker 5: don't care if it's expensive. I don't care if it's cheap,

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Speaker 5: whatever it is. If it don't fit like it does

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Speaker 5: on Beyonce in the Cowboycotter concerts, take it off your party. So,

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Speaker 5: and that's the appointment that I'm at right now. We

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Speaker 5: just bought this beautiful tassel jacket for my client and

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Speaker 5: it's gorgeous, but you know, and it was all of

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Speaker 5: I don't even know how much money it was. It

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Speaker 5: fend with y'all. But it don't matter if it don't fit.

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Speaker 5: So she can't wear it until we get it altered. Right,

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Speaker 5: And so there are things that you know I do.

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Speaker 5: You can always tell when I'm the one styling the fisa.

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Speaker 5: I'm not always the one dressing her, but when I'm

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Speaker 5: the one styling the visa, you know that it's me

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Speaker 5: because of how it fits. It fits her body. And

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Speaker 5: especially with athletes, if you have any kind of body

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Speaker 5: type that is different, you long arms, you have, you

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Speaker 5: know a little bit more hit, You've got, you know,

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Speaker 5: a short torso, a long torso. If it doesn't fit,

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Speaker 5: take it off, not to the men.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 6: Y'all are killing me. They think that they can just

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Speaker 6: put anything on. They think that they could just put

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Speaker 6: anything on and they will be Okay, sir, sir, whoever

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Speaker 6: son you are, needs to tell you that that is

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Speaker 6: not okay. Okay, you don't get to just lag off

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Speaker 6: because you're a man and you got two things hanging behind.

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Speaker 5: You know, between your legies. Okay, you don't get to

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Speaker 5: do that to them, and then trying to allay like

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Speaker 5: like like you God's gift, sir. Put on some clothes. Okay,

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Speaker 5: some clothes and make them clean, and stop putting on

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Speaker 5: the musty shirts.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, she is not playing with.

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Speaker 5: And y'all style too, y'all needs style.

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Speaker 2: Two.

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Speaker 5: You don't just get to be like, oh, I'm a guy.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to be that, okay. And so that

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Speaker 5: is my advice. It's like, you know, you can change

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Speaker 5: the outfit. So let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 5: make sure that that outfit is the thing that we

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Speaker 5: love right, and that we're gonna make sure that not

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Speaker 5: only do we love it for the moment it fits

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Speaker 5: and it's something to make people talk.

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Speaker 2: Mmmm. I love that.

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Speaker 4: Give them something to talk about it. That's about to

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Speaker 4: be the fact. The theme of this talk about give

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Speaker 4: to talk about thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: You guys, let me tell you, thank you so much,

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Speaker 5: thank you so much for everything.

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Speaker 4: I love when guests come on here and just show

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Speaker 4: their whole ass.

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Speaker 1: I love it because you and I do that every

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Speaker 1: single day.

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Speaker 2: That's how you know they at home.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's what we want you to come on and

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Speaker 1: be you, be comfortable, be you, and be you, but

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Speaker 1: also dropping a few nuggets here and there. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: so nice to be able to talk to someone in

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Speaker 1: the fashion space right who can absolutely relate to what

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Speaker 1: we're saying or what we're feeling, but also be able

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Speaker 1: to give us some advice on how we should feel

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Speaker 1: in our own bodies.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, one one d percent. And I love that

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Speaker 4: Kimberly was able to come on and share those nuggets

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Speaker 4: and just like, listen, feel good, be daring, be bold, right,

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Speaker 4: because we do get in our own heads a lot,

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Speaker 4: and we kind of get stuck in our own ways.

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Speaker 2: This is this is what I wear.

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Speaker 4: And I mean I remember, even with you a couple

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Speaker 4: of months ago, I'm like, Surey'll be talking about I

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Speaker 4: don't wear no red lipstick and then you put that

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Speaker 4: red lipstick on, honey, and that look was a look.

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Speaker 3: But I don't and I don't.

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Speaker 1: But when I wore it, and because I got so

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Speaker 1: many compliments, but it wasn't even about the compliments. Like honestly,

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Speaker 1: when I looked at myself in the mirror, I was like,

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Speaker 1: damn girl, you and them Leah sick.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, like we have got to get out of

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Speaker 4: our own way. And so I love the way that Kim.

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Speaker 4: That Kim basically was saying like, be bold, be daring.

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Speaker 1: Just be you, like you know, yes, and you know

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Speaker 1: what I really loved, and I'll leave it here.

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Speaker 3: Is like she said something that's so simple but very meaningful.

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Speaker 2: But she basically was like, if it.

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Speaker 3: Don't fit, take that shit off, because you know, tee, how.

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Speaker 1: Many times do we try to force something on because

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Speaker 1: we really like it? And because I know I am,

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a shoe. I know my

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Speaker 1: big ass feet, I'm a and a half eleven, but

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Speaker 1: if they don't have my size, I almost try and

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Speaker 1: squeeze these cores into a size. Tick gerald hurting, the corns,

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Speaker 1: be hurting. But she's right, like, if it don't fit,

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Speaker 1: take it off, and you don't need somebody else to

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Speaker 1: tell you boo boo that don't fit, because you don't

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Speaker 1: say it all.

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Speaker 4: Because you knew you knew it didn't fit when you

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Speaker 4: bought it. You knew it infit you bought it like

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Speaker 4: and I have that on the other On the other end,

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Speaker 4: I've been losing some weight and I got a lot

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Speaker 4: of clothes that are literally too big, and I'm just

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Speaker 4: like in my head because that's another thing that's the

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Speaker 4: topic for another day, but it's another.

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Speaker 2: Thing that you have to be real about.

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Speaker 4: Like I have breast reduction surgery once a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago, and in my mind, my mind still sometimes

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Speaker 4: feel that I'm bigger than I am and I will

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Speaker 4: want to buy a two X or I will want

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Speaker 4: to buy like this something because in my my head

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Speaker 4: still says, Tarika, you have to account for and then

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Speaker 4: I have to be like, oh wait, it's not there,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't have to account for that anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's not there. I don't need that super big.

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Speaker 4: And so talking about things that don't fit, I have

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Speaker 4: clothes that I still wear and then I put it

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Speaker 4: on and I'm like, girl, you look crazy because these

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Speaker 4: are too big for you now, and it's so it's

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00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: hanging off of me and I'm and I'm still like, well,

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Speaker 4: I ain't got none news, so I'm just gonna wear it.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, gro you look crazy because it's too big,

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Speaker 4: you look crazy. So it definitely works both ways. You

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Speaker 4: just gotta you gotta be realed about where you are

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Speaker 4: and what you're doing. And so I appreciate Kim for

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Speaker 4: coming on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Sure you're gonna level us, You're gonna level us out today.

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Speaker 1: I am just based off of what you know we

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Speaker 1: were just talking about with Kimberly, just owning who you are, right.

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Speaker 3: But you put on what you don't put on all

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Speaker 3: the things. So I feel like this is relevant to today.

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Speaker 1: It says owning our story and loving ourselves through that

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Speaker 1: process us is the bravest thing will ever do.

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Speaker 4: That is one hundred percent facts. I like that a lot,

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent facts. You have got to love yourself

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Speaker 4: and you feel better when you do that.

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Speaker 2: You feel so much better when you do that.

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Speaker 4: So I'm on love on myself and I hope that

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Speaker 4: you guys are going to continue to love on yourselves too,

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Speaker 4: And thank you all for just keeping keeping me and

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Speaker 4: shuling your rotation because we enjoy bringing you this podcast

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Speaker 4: next level conversations just about the real shit that women

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Speaker 4: go through. And remember this isn't just our show, it's

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Speaker 2: Oop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that we walk because this is again,

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Speaker 1: this is our show, right our show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that, y'all.

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Speaker 4: I love that come through, people comb through, keep it keep,

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Speaker 4: let's do it. Let's get it done.

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Speaker 2: So until next time, y'all, peace out.

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