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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, you're welcome to Stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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Speaker 1: what's your go to lallaby? You still do lallaby? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I do it in this kind of like jazzy

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Speaker 1: way because I can't stand this lallaby. But it has

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Speaker 1: been introduced to my daughter Rugby baby in the tree

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Speaker 1: jobs and when the wind blows that grata will rock.

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Speaker 1: When the bow breaks that Greta let hey down, We'll

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Speaker 1: come baby great And oh do you find that this

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Speaker 1: is too jazzy for a go to sleep song? Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like it negates the weirdness of that song.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, it's not like, how is this in

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Speaker 1: any way comforting? Like there's a baby. It's tied up

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Speaker 1: in a tree there. It's just precariously hung there so

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Speaker 1: that when the wind comes, that just topples over and

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Speaker 1: the baby just falls to the forest floor. Yeah. You know,

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Speaker 1: I started thinking about this when you when you brought

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Speaker 1: this up earlier, I was sinking back to my own childhood.

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Speaker 1: And there are two songs that my mom would would

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Speaker 1: pretty much use as the default lullabies. One path Magic Dragon,

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Speaker 1: which is also said, which also does have this at

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Speaker 1: tenage of sadness, but not you know, morbid sadness. It's

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Speaker 1: just about, Hey, you're gonna get older and then you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, some of your dreams are gonna die,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to die, and you're gonna eventually gonna die.

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Speaker 1: The Magic Dragon will live on and look for another

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Speaker 1: child to replace you. Well, I mean I wouldn't go

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Speaker 1: that dark on it, but essentially yes. But then the

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Speaker 1: other one was all the Pretty Little Horses, which at

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Speaker 1: first I was like, oh, there's nothing wrong with that

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Speaker 1: one at all. It's just about when you you know, wake,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have all the pretty little horses. But then

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Speaker 1: I actually looked at the lullaby up and there's this,

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Speaker 1: like the second verse that my mom didn't sing. It's

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Speaker 1: talking about how there's a poor little lamby and with

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Speaker 1: bees and butterflies pecking out its eyes until the poor

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Speaker 1: lamby cries cries for mama. Well, I think what makes

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Speaker 1: that worse is that your last name is Lamb, So

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Speaker 1: she's probably like, well, my kids, thinking that he's going

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Speaker 1: to get his eyes pecked out him specifically. Um. But

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Speaker 1: you also know when Cormick McCarthy makes the title of

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Speaker 1: a lullaby his his book title, that is probably not

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Speaker 1: serene terrain. Yeah, there's probably yeah, there you go, because

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Speaker 1: he's not going to write about something unless there's a

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Speaker 1: little death or a lot of death woven into the

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Speaker 1: tapestry of the subject matter. And that's what we see

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Speaker 1: with lullabyes. We see we see a lot of darkness

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Speaker 1: in the lullaby as well as a lot of comfort.

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Speaker 1: And and that's one of the reasons it makes for

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Speaker 1: such a delightful podcast topic because it's not this the straightforward,

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Speaker 1: cutout thing, no, yeah, because it really yeah. There there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of different layers to this, and one

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Speaker 1: is again that universality of it. There are lullabies all

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Speaker 1: over the world in according to Zoe Palmer, who is

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Speaker 1: a musician working on a lullabies project at Royal Landon Hospital,

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Speaker 1: she says that wherever you go in the world, women

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Speaker 1: use the same tones, the same sort of way of

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Speaker 1: singing to their babies and she's seen this in the

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Speaker 1: project over and over again. UM, and lullabies are usually

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Speaker 1: in triple meter or six eight time, which kind of

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Speaker 1: gives them that character characteristic rocking feeling to them or

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Speaker 1: that motion. Yeah, that rock a vibe and back and forth,

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Speaker 1: slow soothing tones. Yeah. Yeah. Again, that's kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: to see that in so many different cultures around the world. Now,

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Speaker 1: the more abidity thing is also a universal and we

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Speaker 1: see both of those in the the fact that you

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Speaker 1: can look back to two thousand years b c. To

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Speaker 1: ancient Babylon and you find evidence of lullabies used then,

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Speaker 1: and it's a menacing lullaby in which a baby is

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Speaker 1: chastised for just serving the house um, the house god

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Speaker 1: with its crying. So the idea is is, look, it's

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Speaker 1: really it's time for you to go to sleep, because

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Speaker 1: if you do not stop crying, you will wake a

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Speaker 1: demon and it will eat you. I love it and

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Speaker 1: I love that it's inscribed on clay tablets. It's like

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Speaker 1: one of the first lullabies, and it's this is I

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Speaker 1: a it's it's suitable insight into the parenting mind. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're reaching that point with a child where we're like,

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Speaker 1: some sleep, demons are going to come for all of us. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it explains the popularity of the adult book

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Speaker 1: parents that kind of it ends in this refrain every

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Speaker 1: a take on the whole good Night Moon book, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which I've I've read a thousand times. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: get the Go that Go the f to Sleep books

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Speaker 1: so much before I had a child, because before I

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Speaker 1: was like, that seems a little harsh, you know, even

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Speaker 1: know it's for the adults, enough for the kids, but

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Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know about that. That seems

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Speaker 1: a completely reversed sleep cycle, and I totally got it.

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Speaker 1: At four am, You're like, ah, that book is brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I got it um all right. So if you look

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Speaker 1: at a lullaby something by the Lua people in western Kenya.

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Speaker 1: It starts with rock rock like rock a by baby,

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Speaker 1: but then it's it ends with the baby who cries

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Speaker 1: will be eaten by a hyena, which is an actual

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Speaker 1: possibility in the part of the world. Yeah, and certainly

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Speaker 1: the crying response is supposed to get human attention. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And arguably UH is also there so that if the

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Speaker 1: upset about it. I've seen that theory proposed as well.

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Speaker 1: But it could conceivably uh clue in animal predators other

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Speaker 1: human adversaries to your whereabouts. I was thinking about that too.

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Speaker 1: That would be a tell tell science. So it's like hush,

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Speaker 1: become quiet when they when they can understand this game

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Speaker 1: of like advice columns for babies. Yeah, I mean, in

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Speaker 1: the very basics of human communication. But already you're projecting

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Speaker 1: Brian Eno, I think is a tremendous example of this

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's fair. It's like, are we going

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. But at the end of the day, that's

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Speaker 1: a very comforting place to be with your music too.

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Speaker 1: I mean music, I think, you know, music should challenge

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Speaker 1: listen to a little sample of what this might sound like. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: here's an example that I think fit's pretty perfectly with

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Speaker 1: eleven Horizon glow EP released on King Deluxe Records. You

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Speaker 1: So let's listen to this track and uh and see

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Speaker 1: where it takes us. What I like about that particular

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Speaker 1: is that there is this drifting nous to it, this uh,

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Speaker 1: of seems infinite and sort of you know, receding and

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Speaker 1: melting outward and yeah, kind of motion to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: there you have it. Lullabies the science of lullabyes, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the culture of lullabyes. This uh, the

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Speaker 1: song that the mother sings to the child born or

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Speaker 1: unborn that is at once soothing, it is also full

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Speaker 1: of ideas, some positive ideas about what parenting is and

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Speaker 1: what what having a child is as well as a

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Speaker 1: way to perhaps event some of the the more negative

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Speaker 1: fragile creature into the world. Indeed, I like that idea

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Speaker 1: of advice columns for babies. Yeah, if you guys have

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on lullabies, and we certainly want to hear them, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can reach us in all the usual places. Stuff

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Speaker 1: to Blow your Mind dot com is the mothership. That's

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, on Twitter, on YouTube where we are mind

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Speaker 1: Stuff Show. And Uh, I'm reminded now that a number

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Speaker 1: of listeners have written in over the years and mentioned

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Speaker 1: as they're drifting off to sleep. So in a sense

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Speaker 1: we are a lullaby uh, full of inspiring and cautionary

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Speaker 1: information and and perhaps our voices are soothing as well

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Speaker 1: device columns for your subconscious. Yeah, so it's probably fitting

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Speaker 1: that that as we spiral everything out here, we should

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Speaker 1: also close with a little bit of that Uh that

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Speaker 1: that track horizon Glow by option command and Julie is

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Speaker 1: there means that the the waking listener can get in

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Speaker 1: touch with this. Indeed, in fact, it just occurred to

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Speaker 1: me that if you have a strong idea about a lullaby,

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Speaker 1: one that you really like or one that you think

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Speaker 1: is just terrible or just so dark, that you want

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Speaker 1: to share it with us, let us know. You can

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