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Speaker 1: Welcome to the twenty minut in the Huddle Podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by Microsoft Post Game Edition. PJ Clark, as always, Postgame

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Speaker 1: is with me here and Page as Dan Miller just said,

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Speaker 1: we know what we're gonna get from amani or you

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Speaker 1: are a right starter. Six interceptions, third in the NFL

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Speaker 1: last year. But I think we got a little bit

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Speaker 1: what Dan Campbell had to say after the game about Jeffokuda.

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Speaker 1: if Jeff Okuda is the player that the Lions drafted

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Speaker 1: You're not the number three pick without having all that.

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