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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursdays. They should a Big Blue Kickoff

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Speaker 1: live here on Giants dot Com. He is Paula Tino.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lance Medal with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: as well as review what the coaches had to say

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Speaker 1: during their media availabilities on Wednesday. But right off the top,

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Speaker 1: we are joined by a very special guest here on

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Cores Light, and he

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Speaker 1: coached Dexter Lawrence, the second one of the giants three

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Speaker 1: first round picks at Clemson each of the last two seasons.

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Speaker 1: And he has none other than Clemson defensive tackles coach

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Speaker 1: Todd Bates coach. You got Lance Medal. Paul Ta Tino

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Speaker 1: with you here on Giants dot Com. Greatly appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time today. How's everything, man, it's going great. Man out

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Speaker 1: on the recruiting trail now trying to find another Dexter

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Speaker 1: law I mean they don't they don't grow six four

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Speaker 1: three forty two guys on trees, Coach, they don't. They don't. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's address him right off, the bad coach, because

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Speaker 1: he's got a terrific personality. The folks here at the

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Speaker 1: Giants have already been very, very impressed with him, specifically

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Speaker 1: about his athleticism for a guy his size. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those measurements do not indicate anyone who should be fleet

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Speaker 1: And I think, Coach, what also jumps out about Dexter

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Speaker 1: But when he is going to be put in coverage spots,

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Speaker 1: how well will he adapt to that. I I don't

430
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Speaker 1: know how much of it he did for you, but

431
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Speaker 1: chances are at some point in time some offensive coordinator

432
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Speaker 1: is going to try to isolate him on the field

433
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Speaker 1: and say, let's see if we can get him in coverage.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, he did that some with us. We didn't

435
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Speaker 1: do it a lot because philosophically, I wasn't going to

436
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Speaker 1: allow our best pass rush absolutely rushers in the country

437
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Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time in coverage, but we did.

438
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Speaker 1: We had to move him around. I mentioned earlier in

439
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Speaker 1: the interview that he was always double team so we

440
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: had to move him around some. So he's played multiple

441
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Speaker 1: positions and he has the ability to learn. So whatever

442
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Speaker 1: he's asked to do, he'll do it. And he's done

443
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Speaker 1: it before well. And another staple of his game that

444
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Speaker 1: I think showcases versatility. And there was a defensive lineman

445
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Speaker 1: that played for many years here with the Giants organization,

446
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: coach Manora, and he was known for his strip sack.

447
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't just getting after the quarterback, it was also

448
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Speaker 1: taking away the football. Very opportunistic player. Now I'm not

449
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Speaker 1: necessarily putting O'Shane Zimmenez in that category yet, he's got

450
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Speaker 1: a long way to go. But what he did for

451
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Speaker 1: you statistically, coach forced a lot of fumbles during his

452
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Speaker 1: tenure at Old Dominion. What do you attribute to that?

453
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Speaker 1: Is that coaching that you preach or is that just

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Speaker 1: something about his innate ability to say, Hey, I'm not

455
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Speaker 1: just getting after the quarterback, I'm going after the football. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I'm glad you brought that up. That's something we

457
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Speaker 1: we taught. That's something he learned. Um, that's a hard

458
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Speaker 1: skill for a player to learn. That. You you secure

459
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Speaker 1: the tackle with one arm and you rip at the

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Speaker 1: ball with the other arm. And there were a number

461
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Speaker 1: of times in his career where you can actually see

462
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Speaker 1: him on video using that skill. And think about it, guys,

463
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Speaker 1: it happens in a split second time. You've you've got

464
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Speaker 1: to secure the tackle against against people that are trying

465
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Speaker 1: to avoid being tackled, and then rip in with your

466
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Speaker 1: opposite arm and get the ball out. And he has

467
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Speaker 1: that ability. He's learned it, he practices it, and I'm

468
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Speaker 1: hopeful that's something he can continue to do for the Giants. Well,

469
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Speaker 1: with everything you've told his coach, it sounds like he's

470
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Speaker 1: going to be a big hit here in New York.

471
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Speaker 1: Obviously originally born here, so so he told us how

472
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Speaker 1: thrilled he was to come home because he grew up

473
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Speaker 1: as a youngster as a Giants fan the spotlight. I

474
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Speaker 1: gotta be honest, you know it can be hot here

475
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Speaker 1: in the city. I mean there there are a lot

476
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Speaker 1: of demands, a lot of high expectations. How will he

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Speaker 1: handle the the the pressures of playing home, playing the

478
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Speaker 1: market that that you really can be very, very difficult

479
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Speaker 1: on players. Two reasons I think he'll he'll adapt to

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Speaker 1: it and handle it well. Number One, he's playing for

481
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Speaker 1: the team that he loves. He has tremendous pride uh

482
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Speaker 1: in wearing a Giant's uniform. He is so excited about

483
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Speaker 1: being a New York Giant. And number two, he was

484
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Speaker 1: in the spotlight here for four years. He was one

485
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Speaker 1: of the top media request um. I took him to

486
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Speaker 1: a lot of different media functions where he was in

487
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Speaker 1: front of the camera being interviewed, and Uh He's got

488
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Speaker 1: one trade guys that will will always help him his

489
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Speaker 1: entire life. He's an extremely humble person. It's important to

490
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Speaker 1: him to present himself as as being grateful And for

491
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Speaker 1: those two reasons, I think he's gonna do just fine.

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Speaker 1: Talking with Old Dominia head coach Bobby Wilder, who coach

493
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Speaker 1: O changed him and as the Giant's third round pick

494
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Speaker 1: over the last few seasons, and coach, I'm sure you

495
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: hear this all the time. It's brought up when a

496
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Speaker 1: player comes out of a smaller program. Well, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: how do executives how to coaches tell that that skill

498
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Speaker 1: set is going to translate smoothly over to the National

499
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Speaker 1: Football League because they look at the conference, they look

500
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Speaker 1: at perhaps the caliber of the opposition. But I think

501
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Speaker 1: people who are unfamiliar with your program, I mean, you

502
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Speaker 1: knocked off Virginia Tech, You've had some key victories over

503
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Speaker 1: the course of the last few seasons. You know, what

504
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Speaker 1: is it about Old Dominion and what you've built in

505
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Speaker 1: what you've gone up against that perhaps allows some of

506
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Speaker 1: your players to make that smooth transition to the NFL. Yeah,

507
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: that's a great question. And for O'Shane Ziminez, he was

508
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Speaker 1: part of the transition when we went from FCS to FBS.

509
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Speaker 1: He's played since his freshman year against Virginia Tech. He's

510
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Speaker 1: played in North Carolina, NC State, Vanderbilt, He's played against

511
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Speaker 1: FBS competition, and he's always played well in those games.

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Speaker 1: He's always been impactful in those games. Last year against

513
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, he had he had two sacks and he

514
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Speaker 1: disrupted five other past plays. I mean he almost had

515
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Speaker 1: four or five sacks in the game alone. So he's

516
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: played really well against the best teams we played. Now

517
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: he hasn't done it like your Power five teams. He

518
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: hasn't done it for twelve weeks. It's been a couple

519
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: of weeks per year. But in those games lands he's

520
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: played very well. I'll tell you something to coach. The

521
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Giants are extremely happy to get him. I will tell you.

522
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Speaker 1: We talked to a bunch of independent scouts leading up

523
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Speaker 1: to the Combine and then into the draft who told

524
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Speaker 1: us they thought he would be probably a late second

525
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: round pick. And so for the Giants to get him

526
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Speaker 1: where they did is a steal and a bit of

527
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: fortuitous luck for them. And it sounds like for Oshane too,

528
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Speaker 1: because he wanted to be here. I agree he was.

529
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Speaker 1: This is the team he had his heart set on,

530
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Speaker 1: and because of that, they'll get even more from him,

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Speaker 1: um than any other team would have. And I don't

532
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Speaker 1: mean to say he wouldn't have given great effort anywhere.

533
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Speaker 1: But he's a New York Giant and he's proud to

534
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Speaker 1: be a New York Giant. Indeed, coach before we let

535
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Speaker 1: you go out. I'm not sure if you've seen some

536
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: of the news headlines, but on lead the New York market.

537
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: The Giants have already given him a nickname. He's now

538
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: being called the X Man. From what I've been told,

539
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: he was not referred to that coach wild at old dominion.

540
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Speaker 1: I'm just curious your reaction to all of these developments, Guys.

541
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Speaker 1: I love that. I couldn't wait the first time I

542
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Speaker 1: heard it to send him a text message. I said,

543
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: actually question mark question mark. He you know, for us, Um,

544
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: he was always just O'Shane. That's that's that's who he was.

545
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: He was Oshane. But I love the X Man and

546
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: I am fired up to be a huge Giant fan.

547
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Speaker 1: And I'm I'm abwas always going to be a big

548
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Speaker 1: X Man fan. Great stuff well, we certainly appreciate the

549
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Speaker 1: time of the insiety. Is Bobby Wilder, Old Dominion head

550
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Speaker 1: coach coach, enjoy the recruiting trail, best of luck moving forward,

551
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Speaker 1: and it really appreciate the time today. Thanks so much

552
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Speaker 1: for joining us. Yeah, you got a guys, thanks for

553
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: having me on. I really appreciate it. You got it.

554
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Speaker 1: That is Old Dominion head coach Bobby Wilder with us

555
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Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live, reflecting on the Giant's

556
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Speaker 1: third round pick. Oh himz. So our thanks again to

557
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Speaker 1: Bobby Wilder, head coach of Old Dominion, as well as

558
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Speaker 1: Todd Bates from the Clemson defensive coaching staff, weighing in

559
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 1: on two of the giants prospects of great insight. If

560
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: you missed any of those full interviews, they'll be up

561
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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com a little bit later on today.

562
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Speaker 1: So glad you could join us here on Thursday's edition

563
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Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live. We're gonna open up the

564
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Speaker 1: phone line so the remainder of the program at two

565
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Speaker 1: zero one five one three. You can also weigh in

566
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Speaker 1: on Twitter hashtag Giants Chap. But before we open up

567
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Speaker 1: the lines, Paul, I think it's important to reflect on

568
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Speaker 1: what was an extremely busy day yesterday here at the facility.

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Speaker 1: Why because just about every member of the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was missed, had an opportunity to

571
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Speaker 1: interact with the media and reflect on what they've seen

572
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Speaker 1: thus far in the off season program. We heard from

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Speaker 1: the offensive staff, we heard from the defensive staff, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of the questions from an offensive standpoint specifically

575
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Speaker 1: directed at Mike Shula. Let's start there, the offensive coordinator

576
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Speaker 1: pertained to the dynamics in the quarterback room that may

577
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Speaker 1: come out to play with Eli Manning as well as

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And you know, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer has echoed as well as Mike Schula has echoed.

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Speaker 1: And this question has been posed many different ways, what

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Speaker 1: was Eli's reaction to when Daniel Jones was selected? How

582
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: is Eli going to recover? How's Eli going to regroup? Rights?

583
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Speaker 1: Such a big story, and all of these answers are identical,

584
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's necessarily that they're all getting

585
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Speaker 1: together and say, well, how do we answer this question.

586
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Speaker 1: It's no different for Eli Paul then it was. And

587
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Speaker 1: I don't care if there's a stretched It's no different

588
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Speaker 1: than when they drafted Ryan Nassi, when they drafted Davis Webb,

589
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: when they drafted Kyle Loletta. He's seen tons of quarterbacks

590
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: come through this facility. The only thing that is different

591
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Speaker 1: is that this guy is number six overall, and he

592
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Speaker 1: is the number one pick, and ELI is older, and

593
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Speaker 1: there is light at the end of the tunnel, and

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Speaker 1: there will be a measure of succession. We know that

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Speaker 1: for a fact. Whether whether or not it's it's the

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Speaker 1: end of this year or it's next year, or it's one,

597
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: we do know that the next guy penciled in to

598
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Speaker 1: take the ball is Daniel Jones. I don't think anybody

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Speaker 1: with any common sense whatsoever truly believed that those other guys,

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Speaker 1: although I was certainly a David's Web guy, but outside

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Speaker 1: of David's Web, I don't think any of those other

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have been drafted during Eli's time. And you've

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Speaker 1: gone through the list right right to everybody was Andre

604
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Speaker 1: Andre Woodson. Well, I didn't necessarily throw those guys in. Okay, Okay,

605
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Speaker 1: we knew no, we knew that those guys would never

606
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Speaker 1: be Eli's successor we know this guy is going to be.

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Speaker 1: That does make it a little bit different, but I

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Speaker 1: certainly don't expect Eli to react any differently because he's

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Speaker 1: who he is. Because of the expectations that come with

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Speaker 1: where Daniel Jones was selected, I get that. I guess

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Speaker 1: where I'm coming from, Paul, is the speculation has been there,

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Speaker 1: The call for seeing some of these young guys on

613
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Speaker 1: the field has been there, whether they're taking in the

614
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Speaker 1: fourth round, the third round, the second round, the first round.

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Speaker 1: So I guess that's where I was looking at it through.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing new for Eli, but yes, he's in the

617
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Speaker 1: final year of his contract. Daniel Jones was the sixth

618
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Speaker 1: overall pick. It comes with the territory that there is

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Speaker 1: uncertainty after the two thousand nineteen season, But I think

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Speaker 1: the uncertainty Paul stems from just the structure of Eli

621
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Speaker 1: Mannings contract, as simple as that. You don't know what's

622
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Speaker 1: going to happen after this season because he only has

623
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Speaker 1: a deal that goes through this year. So by that

624
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: fact alone, it's understandable for there to be well, what's

625
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen in two thousand twenty, But that to me

626
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Speaker 1: is not necessarily connected to right now exits and oes

627
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Speaker 1: or at least, what's gonna happen in Week one of

628
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Speaker 1: this season? Oh, it has nothing to do with Week one.

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Speaker 1: That's where I was getting And that's why I think.

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Speaker 1: You know, when the leading question was asked of Mike

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Speaker 1: Showley yesterday, under different set of circumstances, you know, could

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Speaker 1: you see Daniel Jones possibly is a Day one starter?

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Speaker 1: It was. It was a misleading and a clearly a

634
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: leading question. Was a hypothetical which was also pushing him

635
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Speaker 1: in the direction of boy we kicked to have a

636
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Speaker 1: juicy newspaper quarterback controversy to write about. That's what that

637
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: question was about. And and Mike gave a very honest

638
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: answer saying, in different set of circumstances, yeah, sure I

639
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Speaker 1: could see it. But to finish Mike Schuler's thought, which

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Speaker 1: of course, you know nobody wants to write about. They

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Speaker 1: just want to write out of context. If you listen

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Speaker 1: to Mike Schuler's entire presser. Uh. He also spent five

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Speaker 1: minutes earlier in his pressor just basically effusive and in

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Speaker 1: praising Eli Manning to the nth degree, saying that Eliz

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Speaker 1: in even better shape than he was last year. He's

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball extremely well, uh, he is the starter.

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Speaker 1: He's the guy. There's no question about that. And they

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Speaker 1: even expect Eli and the rest of the offense to

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Speaker 1: do better because it's now the second year that they

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Speaker 1: will be working in Pat Schrmer's and Mike Schuler's offensive

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Speaker 1: scheme more comfortable. So when you when you hear all

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Speaker 1: of that, which took several minutes and maybe three different

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Speaker 1: questions for Mike Schuler to explain earlier in his briefing,

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Speaker 1: you understand that the final question, which went into the

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Speaker 1: hypothetical realm of could Daniel Jones be the day one starter?

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Speaker 1: Come on, Okay, we we know what that's all about.

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Speaker 1: That that's about clickbait, and so that that, to me

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Speaker 1: was an irrelevant point which a lot of people try

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Speaker 1: to make a lot of stuff out of. But you

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Speaker 1: want you want reality. Eli Manning starts week one unless

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Speaker 1: he's injured, case closed, and he will start as long

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Speaker 1: as the Giants are doing well and Eli is healthy

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Speaker 1: and he's doing well. Everything could change if the team

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Speaker 1: is in a very bad way with a month to

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Speaker 1: go in the season, or if Eli gets hurt at

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Speaker 1: some point during the season, and quite frankly, depending upon

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Speaker 1: the circumstances. That doesn't automatically mean that Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: going into the game. No, we have to see what

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Speaker 1: the quarterback depth chart looks like and so forth. So

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Speaker 1: the hypothetical is almost pointless to talk about unless, well,

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Speaker 1: let's see, there's no more old Doll Beckham Jr. On

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Speaker 1: the team. So how are you gonna get your headlines

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Speaker 1: and your clicks? Well, we got to talk about a

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Speaker 1: quarterback controversy because that's all you've got. Because guess what, say,

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Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley is the furthest thing from controversial that you're

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Speaker 1: ever gonna find. So you can't go there to get

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Speaker 1: your your your clicks. You gotta go to the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You've got no choice. So gasoline on the fire. Whoop

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Speaker 1: de darn do. It'll happen many many more times between

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Speaker 1: now and the end of this season you will see

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Speaker 1: leading questions about a quarterback controversy, which is not here.

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Speaker 1: A few other things that Mike schul appointed to that

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Speaker 1: I want to hit on before we open up the

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Speaker 1: phone lines at Chooser one three and a reminder Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live presented by cores Light. He was asked

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Speaker 1: about considering Mike Shul is also the quarterbacks coach Paul

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Speaker 1: in addition to the offensive coordination, So how does his

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Speaker 1: role his responsibilities change when he has a first round

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Speaker 1: pick at that position come in and he said, you know,

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Speaker 1: you may want to spend a little bit more time

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Speaker 1: in the film room working with Daniel Jones. Not that

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Speaker 1: they haven't been coaching these other guys up, but I

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Speaker 1: want to take it a step further. I found it

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Speaker 1: interesting he brought up that he was in Carolina when

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton came in as a rookie in two thousand eleven.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Schul already has hands on experience, Paul of

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Speaker 1: working with a player that comes with high expectations who

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Speaker 1: was taking a shore behind the draft, and that experience

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Speaker 1: I think is important. This is not to compare Cam

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Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones. It's just there's a number of guys

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Speaker 1: on this coaching staff that have been there and done that.

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Speaker 1: With respect to Okay, you have a young guy coming in.

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Speaker 1: How do you handle him workload wise? How do you

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Speaker 1: treat him in O T A S. How do you

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Speaker 1: give him the playbook? How much is too much to

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Speaker 1: throw in him? All of that I think is relevant

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Speaker 1: in the developmental phase of what you're going to doing

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Speaker 1: with this quarterback. I don't think that should be dismissed

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Speaker 1: and overlooked. The mental game, how that plays out over

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Speaker 1: the next few weeks and months. Well, it's no different

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Speaker 1: than last year when they drafted Kyle Loletta, albeit not

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Speaker 1: in the first round, and they brought him along slowly

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Speaker 1: as the number three quarterback until late in the season

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Speaker 1: they finally decided, okay, you know what, we trust him

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Speaker 1: enough to let's give him a couple of weeks at

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Speaker 1: number two. And then of course he got into the

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Speaker 1: Redskins game and it proved to be rather overwhelming for him.

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Speaker 1: And even after the game, Pat Shermer looked at the

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Speaker 1: newspaper guys and said, did you see now, now, do

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Speaker 1: you understand what I'm talking about? How these guys have

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Speaker 1: to be nurtured and groomed and they have to mature.

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Speaker 1: You know, these people just think you can get to

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Speaker 1: change these parts, especially quarterbacks, as if their video game pieces.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way it works in the real world, folks.

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Speaker 1: Other quarterbacks of note that the Giant staff has worked

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Speaker 1: with Shula worked with Cam. He started all sixteen games

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Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, so he came in day one

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Speaker 1: was a staughter. Then you look at Shermer. Shermer had

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Speaker 1: Donovan mcnabbin Philadelphia. I was nine though Sherman at the

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Speaker 1: time was the tight end offensive line coach, and I

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Speaker 1: threw this up on Twitter if you want to look

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Speaker 1: at some more details. McNabb started six games that season.

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford he worked with when he was the ramso

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Speaker 1: Cet Paul That was two thousand ten. Bradford an immediate

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Speaker 1: starter all sixteen games. Brandon Weeden in Cleveland when Sherman

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Speaker 1: was the head coach. That was his second year two

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Speaker 1: thousand twelve. Weeden started all fifteen games, and then Craig

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Speaker 1: Johnson the running backs coach. People forget he was a

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Speaker 1: QBAS coach for many seasons. He served as the Titans

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach two thousand six. Vince Young came in started

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Speaker 1: thirteen games, and then with the Vikings he was the

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Speaker 1: qubs coach. In two thousand eleven. Christian Ponder was a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. He came in started ten games. So

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Speaker 1: there's a handful of guys that this coaching staff has

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Speaker 1: worked with that Daniel Jones, though is not to be

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Speaker 1: compared to any of them. That's not why I'm bringing

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Speaker 1: them up. And it's uncharted territory to a certain degree

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Speaker 1: because the majority that I read off of here Paul

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Speaker 1: started immediately. Why because none of those other teams had

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Speaker 1: an established starter like Eli manning roster at the time.

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Speaker 1: So it's much different what the Giants are dealing with

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Speaker 1: right now compared to any of those other teams that

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Speaker 1: some of these coaches. Your point is that the Giants

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Speaker 1: are not going into this situation blindly. They have a

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Speaker 1: number of guys who have gone through quote how to

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Speaker 1: handle a rookie quarterback handbook. That's the main point. That

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Speaker 1: that's your whole point. And and that's fine, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's good. You know, they've they've got experiences which they

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Speaker 1: can draw from, which is always an advantage when you

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Speaker 1: have a staff that has gone through a number of

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Speaker 1: different scenarios, so to speak. Um, there was one thing

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Speaker 1: that came out of yesterday for me. I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to talk to how Hunter, the offensive line coach,

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Speaker 1: after the media scrum a little bit as we were

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Speaker 1: he was leaving the press area, and I asked him

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Speaker 1: about Spencer Poli and uh and p o Uh the

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Speaker 1: center battle, and as you know, John had badly injured

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Speaker 1: his leg seriously to the point where it ended his

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Speaker 1: season in Dallas s G two. And then it was

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Speaker 1: at the midpoint, right before the bye week, that Pully

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Speaker 1: wound up getting inserted into the starting lineup. And I've

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Speaker 1: said so many praiseworthy things about Pully. I thought he

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Speaker 1: did a terrific job during the second half of the year. Well,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out, not only was coach Honor saying

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Speaker 1: how happy he was that that John had recovered from

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Speaker 1: his serious leg injury, but that Spencer Pulley Uh did

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Speaker 1: such a good job. He was so happy that the

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Speaker 1: Giants decided to resign him to a multi year contract.

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Speaker 1: And he said he expects that to be an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: battle to be the starting center, and the best man

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Speaker 1: will win. And he said, the good news is both

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Speaker 1: of those guys have some flexibility. They can both play

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Speaker 1: guard if necessary, and if something should happen that the

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Speaker 1: lineup has to be shuffled, I've got no problem playing

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Speaker 1: either one of those guys. Pully, he told me, has

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Speaker 1: game between ten to fifteen pounds. And I saw Polly

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Speaker 1: in the lunch room. He is much thicker and bulkier, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was the contrast between him and Um

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Speaker 1: Halapio okay Um is that Pulley was a little bit

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Speaker 1: smaller in frame goes about last year. Now he's up

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Speaker 1: to about three ten, and he's thicker and he's wider,

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Speaker 1: so he's bigger, more of a box car frame, more powerful.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be an incredible battle for the starting

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Speaker 1: center position, and Coach Hunter said to me, we are

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Speaker 1: going to get both guys in there with the starting units.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna rotate them with the ones to give them

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Speaker 1: both an equal shot to see who's gonna win it,

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Speaker 1: because it would be unfair to either guy if we

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Speaker 1: limited them to second team reps. And folks, I'm just

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Speaker 1: telling you, because of how we've stressed how the Giant's

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Speaker 1: offensive line has to improve, I am really, really anxious

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Speaker 1: to see the battle between these two fellows. So you

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Speaker 1: want to give both of them a fair shake, And

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to vote well for the team

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Speaker 1: to your point, because whoever doesn't win this starting job

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Speaker 1: in all likelihood is probably going to make the team

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Speaker 1: and be that swing off. And there's no question who

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Speaker 1: can play center as well as Guarden. You need that

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman plus, you know po. I think from what

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Speaker 1: how Hunter indicated, at least when he spoke to the media,

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Speaker 1: there's a little catch up for him because he's been

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Speaker 1: around the team mentally. It's not as if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand things, but he hasn't taken nearly as many reps

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Speaker 1: as Spencer Pulley over the last season, so you know,

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Speaker 1: he's playing a little bit of catch up with respect

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Speaker 1: to that. But they feel he's made some good progress

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Speaker 1: in his rehab and there shouldn't really be any setbacks

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Speaker 1: or holding him back once they get going with full

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Speaker 1: Two zero one five one three is the telephone number

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Speaker 1: hashtag giants chat on Twitter. Right, let's open up the

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Speaker 1: phone line. So the remainder of the program, glad you

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Speaker 1: could join us for Thursday's edition, A Big Blue Kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: Simley is in Louisiana. He gets things started for us. Simley,

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Speaker 1: what's happened? Hey, how y'all doing very well? Man? Hello? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm good. I'm good man. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying basically, talk about how with

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Speaker 1: draft class this year, and honestly, I was actually pretty prised. Um,

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that we focused heavily on our

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Speaker 1: defense because, um, I'm not gonna lie to you, bro,

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Speaker 1: our defense, we probably had one of the we had

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Speaker 1: We've been struggling for the past couple of years on

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Speaker 1: the defensive line, especially on the B ball players with

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Speaker 1: the corners. I mean, I know we had to know

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Speaker 1: as Jenkins, but he didn't really make a big impact.

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Speaker 1: We had drafted Eli Apple a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: He really I don't know what happened with him. Um,

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Speaker 1: so I'm pretty pleased, especially with Julius Uh, I said

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Speaker 1: Julius Julian and DeAndre Baker. I mean we got some know,

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Speaker 1: some real real threats on the defense. Also, the the

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Speaker 1: old lineman from Kentucky. I'm very pleased got him because

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Speaker 1: he had the worst I mean, I'm I'm credit to

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Speaker 1: sate Kwan, credit to se Kwon Barkley for for what

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Speaker 1: he did this year. He had an amazing rookie season.

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Speaker 1: But we had we had one of the worst old lines.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, I can't stretch that enough. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think the offensive line made improvement in the second half

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Speaker 1: of the season. I think when Jamon Brown came along,

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Speaker 1: you know, you saw some consistency overall, just the offensive

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Speaker 1: production in the last four games. That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: It's like the old line. I mean, Eli to like

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Speaker 1: we It's just it was bad. I mean when like

853
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Speaker 1: triving eleven. So I'm happy to heat there. Um. I

854
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: know everybody was talking about the big elephant in the

855
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: room when the shifted the drive class being Daniel Jones.

856
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. I was kind of

857
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: living at first. I mean, we passed up. Shoot, we

858
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: passed up. You could call him the Golden bar in

859
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: a sense outside of Colin Murray or Dwayne Hasty. But

860
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta I got a chance to look

861
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: at some of his highlights, something his video, she she

862
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: who he played, look at his resume. I mean, you know,

863
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: it is what it is, and I'm hoping. I mean,

864
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: everybody was everybody was getting upset because he was taking

865
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: so high. But I mean there was an argument I

866
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: remember hearing. I think it was Jason Whitlock or somebody

867
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: that was saying about how he didn't really have it

868
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: too many co stars when he was at Duke, and

869
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. I mean he really didn't have

870
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot of help. You didn't have a whole

871
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: lot of help over there. So, um, I'm hoping that

872
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: I know everybody I know Pat Sherman, David Gettiman saying that, oh,

873
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Eli is going to be the starter this year. I'm

874
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: really hoping we can get him in at least for

875
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: a game or two mid season, probably like the seventh

876
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: and eighth. We you know, just to get him in

877
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: some just to get him some NFL experience, you know

878
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you know, um, to try to help

879
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: him mentally, because I mean, hey, everybody's saying he's like

880
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: an Eli leg So hopefully we could probably run like

881
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: some r p os instead of screen passes all day.

882
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: And then we got, um, what's what's that wire received

883
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: his name? I think it's Darius Darius Lady out of an.

884
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to be a gem. I mean,

885
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: I know we drafted him late, but I mean, I mean,

886
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: he's what six six ft one ninety something like that

887
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: running the full three nine that's I mean, come on,

888
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: he's a deep vertical threat. I mean, that's what he

889
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: essentially brings to the table. Yeah, that's that's a that's

890
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: a track star right there. That's a track star on

891
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: a football field. And you know with Old was old

892
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: with Odell now in Cleveland. I mean, hey, I'm I'm hoping.

893
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he's gonna be that gem for us, you

894
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Bakers makes some big plays, especially

895
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: on the deep threat, especially on deep set for real. Alright, Simmy,

896
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. Thank you so much for weighing in.

897
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Don't forget about Corey Coleman. He's back and Tyke Toilbert

898
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: addressed the media yesterday, focused in on Corey Coleman and

899
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: indicated Paul that what wasn't brought up much as remember

900
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman did not start the season with the Giants

901
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: with four different teams. Finally came mid season, and of

902
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: course because of all the plays and even tights. Ober

903
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: mentioned that you know what they call it, and one

904
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: team is different when they call it here at the Giant,

905
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: impossible for for that guy to decipher everything that they

906
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: were trying to tell him. So I think they're high

907
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: on him potentially making an impact, not just as a

908
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: special teamer, but as a wide receiver, and I think

909
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: he's got a great opportunity Paul to win that third

910
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: wide receiver job and push Cody Latimer in that department. Look,

911
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: it's Tate and it's Shepherd, and then it's a big

912
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: fight for every other spot. Three, four, five, I don't

913
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: know if it's going to be six or not, but

914
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: after the top two, let them battle it out. May

915
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: the best man win and each one of those spots.

916
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman is a former first round pick. Now, you know,

917
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: people don't like bringing that up because, well, once you

918
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: get drafted, it doesn't make that big of a deal.

919
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: And that's fine. Now I'm not selling you that if

920
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: he was drafted tomorrow he'd be the fifth overall pick

921
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: like he was. But there's a reason why there was

922
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: hype surrounding Corey Coleman when he came out of the draft.

923
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: There's talent there. It's just a matter of him one

924
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: staying healthy, which he struggled to do in Cleveland, and

925
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: being a consistent playmaker to warrant a job opportunities there

926
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: for Corey Coleman. There's a huge training camp for Corey Coleman.

927
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: If you were to ask me, Paul to identify one

928
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: returning player who I think has an unbelievable opportunity. He'd

929
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: probably be in the top three of my list easily.

930
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. That's fair enough. Well, knowing that the

931
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver depth chart is wide open, as we just talked,

932
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: sure that that I would do. I don't think it's

933
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: crazy to screw him. In terms of a guy who's

934
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: gonna come back and maybe make a huge step, I

935
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: absolutely would put him out, especially with a full off

936
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: season under his belt with the Giants. That to me,

937
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: could do wonders for a player. Tip back to the lines.

938
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: We got Tony in North Carolina. As Tony joins us

939
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: here on Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening Tony, Hope

940
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: you guys are doing good? You too, Little Tony? What's

941
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: on your mind? Yeah? Hey, great show was always I

942
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: just gotta quit comment and then a question get your

943
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: thoughts on UM. I was loving that piece with the

944
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: defensive line coach from Clemson, his insight on Dexter Lawrenson

945
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: and uh, you know the other lineman, just how they

946
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: approached things down there. So it was awesome to hear

947
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: uh down here we play Clemson, you know, every year

948
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: either in Raleigh or or in Clemson. So um, I

949
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: got firsthand knowledge of that big defensive line and they

950
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: were good ones. Yeah, you know they live and breathe

951
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: football down there. And I attribute that to uh you

952
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: know that a plus coaching recruiting. Uh Clemson, they deserve

953
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: a lot of credit down there. But what what my

954
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: question was, and see what you guys thoughts are on. Um.

955
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: As I thought about this draft and the exter Lawrence pick,

956
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: I thought it was what a great pick because um

957
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: as you know, me and my son and batter around

958
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: our living room g ms were battering around the ideas

959
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: of these picks. Uh Man. That interior rush we were

960
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: we were talking about and thinking could be almost as impactful,

961
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: if not more impactful than say ed rushing, and um

962
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: the impact you know a great ed rusher brings. How

963
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: about a great interior rush. I know that b J.

964
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: Hill showed some some you know, some light and some

965
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: spots that interior rush, you know last year, and you

966
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: know you got a six foot four Dexter Larenge in

967
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: your face as a quarterback in the pockets collapse, and

968
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think that can be Um impactful as well.

969
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: I just want to get you guys thoughts on on

970
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: on that interior rush and we'll weigh in on that. Tony,

971
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: you got it. Thanks so much for the phone call

972
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: and thanks for tuning in. And I think he brings

973
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: up a very fair point. We talked about it with

974
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: Todd Bates when we had him on earlier in the program,

975
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle coach at Clemson. The ability to collapse

976
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: the pocket from inside, Paul can do wonders for your

977
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: edge rushers because now where's your quarterback going. He's getting

978
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: swallowed up like Quicksand so if they have Dexter Lawrence

979
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: is an option, if they have b. J. Hill is

980
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: an option. Dalvin Tomlinson is an option. And those guys

981
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: consistently get pressure. It's not that they get sacks, but

982
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: they get pressure putting pressure on the guards the center

983
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: to now open things up for the edge rushers. I mean,

984
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: that's how teams effectively pile up the sacks. You think

985
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: of Vince Wolffork is a guy that comes to mind Paul,

986
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, for what he did in New England. Aaron

987
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 1: Donald with the Rams. Donald's not an edge Russhure. Donald

988
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: puts all this pressure up the gut when you have that.

989
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: And I understand that Donald's a big sack guy, but

990
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: if Donald wasn't getting the sacks, the Rams would still

991
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: be content with a Aaron go out there trying to

992
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. If not the guys on the edge,

993
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna fish your job well. And Dominansu has a

994
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: little something to say about that he's a free agent here,

995
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: here's what I would say, aside from whatever pushing of

996
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: the pocket that Lawrence can provide, because you know, Snack

997
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: Harrison did not do a lot of that. He was

998
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: basically a run clogger in the love that line. Just

999
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: think of it this way. If at the very least,

1000
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: and I'm talking at the very least, all right, because

1001
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: I believe that Dexter Lawrence has the potential to have

1002
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: a nice career here, but at the very least as

1003
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: a rookie, if if all he does is stuff the

1004
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: interior like Snacks did, it's already to win because here

1005
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: you have a younger, more economically pleasant player filling those

1006
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: shoes in terms of cap space and healthier as well.

1007
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: And consider this, now you're the Giants, You're trailing in

1008
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter by a score, teams are gonna go

1009
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: into their four minute attack. They're pounded, offense, try to

1010
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: work the clock. And if you're the Giants, right and

1011
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: you think that the strength of your team is on offense,

1012
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: what do you need to do? You need to get

1013
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: the ball back? Well, what the teams do. During the

1014
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: second half of last season, when the Giants had an

1015
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: offense that was putting up points, the defense gave up

1016
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: four fourth quarter leads and lost games because they were

1017
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: unable to not only control the ball when they needed

1018
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: to because their offensive line still wasn't as good as

1019
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: it could have been, but they also were giving up

1020
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: chunks of yardage on defense, specifically on the ground. I mean,

1021
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: they had some trouble with defending the past, no question,

1022
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: but when teams are balanced, they're the most dangerous to

1023
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: your defense. So now, all of a sudden, you put

1024
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence in there and guess what. Let's say a

1025
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: team has a one score lead on the Giants with

1026
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: five minutes to go. Well, last year, you know what

1027
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: they were gonna do, because snacks have been traded. They

1028
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: were just gonna run, run, run, And I feel like

1029
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I got the ball back with thirty seconds, you were like, Okay,

1030
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: well let's see what happens with thirty seconds to go. Well, now,

1031
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: if Dexter Lawrence is in there and the Giants are

1032
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: down by a score with five or six minutes to go,

1033
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: there's a dawn good shot that you're gonna be getting

1034
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: that ball back with at least three minutes left on

1035
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: the clock because he's gonna be plugging, plugging up the

1036
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: middle at the very least at six four three forty pounds.

1037
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: He might be able to force a team to punt,

1038
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: or to force a team to go to the air

1039
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: and have it incompletion that stops the clock. Or maybe

1040
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: maybe ball gets picked off or get sacked because they're

1041
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: at a bad passing situation. They say it all the

1042
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: time about how you have to run the ball. Situational

1043
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: running is the most critical thing that you could have

1044
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: as an offense. Dextra Lawrence can help prevent situational running.

1045
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: I know it took a long time to get there,

1046
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm trying to tell. The goal is

1047
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: to get off the field on third down, specifically, which

1048
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: is where the Giants struggled last season. So if Lawrence

1049
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: can apply pressure and also could help stop the run

1050
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: to the degree that Snacks did. Then you're hoping that

1051
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: your opposition is facing a lot of third and longs,

1052
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: or not third and five's. Let's say third and seven's

1053
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: there in eights and now all of a sudden, the

1054
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: quarterback has to throw the ball and it plays Ryan

1055
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: into the edge of your defense. I brought up the

1056
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: numbers Giants were against the past last season, twenties against

1057
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: the run. They were bottom half in both categories, and

1058
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 1: they struggled to get off the field on stird down.

1059
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: So it's not just to your point, making sure the

1060
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: secondary can make stops, it's also stopping the run on

1061
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: first and second down, Paul. So it changes the dynamics

1062
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: of how third down plays out, no question. So if

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Speaker 1: Lawrence just does that as a rookie, he's already become

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00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: a plus two zero, one four, five one three. Let's

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Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines here on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. Let's go to j in Connecticut. J. Welcome

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00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: to the program. What do you got for us? Hey, guys,

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00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Very well? Got U? Yeah? Uh?

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: Last year when Brett Jones and how to pay over competing.

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00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: Did you feel like the line had more cohesion when

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00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: Brett Jones was in there. I was a big Brett

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00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: Jones fan. I was vocal about the fact that that

1073
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: I thought he would win the job. And I was

1074
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: very disappointed that the Giants traded him. And and and

1075
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, how can you turn around and say that,

1076
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, Spencer Pulley comes in, does a wonderful job.

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00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 1: Love Spencer Pully, you know, and well, because well I'm

1078
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: telling you what the Giants have told me. Dave Gettleman,

1079
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: the GM is a big fan of Halapeo. Okay, he's

1080
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: a big Hallapeo fan. He has said that since day one, okay,

1081
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: And and now that he's healthy, the offensive line coach

1082
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Hal Hunter has said they're gonna find it out. Those

1083
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: two guys will duke it out. Now. Halapio is a bigger,

1084
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: stronger guy, based on his resume than any of the

1085
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: other centers the Giants have had on their roster the

1086
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: last couple of years. And as you know, hog Molly's

1087
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: really fit the bill for Dave Getleman, so that's one

1088
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he gets a legitimate shot. At

1089
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: the same time, Spencer Pully is I just told you

1090
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: guys a little while ago has bulked up and added

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00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 1: something to his frame, which should enhance his chances as

1092
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: these two guys try to fight for the position. But

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00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm a Spencer Polly fan. If you're asking me who's

1094
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: gonna win the job, well, you're asking me who's gonna

1095
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: win the job? If it's me, I think competition is good.

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: But but last year, no, no, no, He's been around

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: a while. In fact, he's been in a number of

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00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: spots over his five six years in football, the Patriots

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00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: to Cardinals, he was in a few camps. But if

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00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: you're asking me, based on just performance that I saw

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00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: last season, Spencer Pully would be the guy if it's me,

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00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything that the coaching staff

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: says to itself that we have to give Spencer Pulley

1104
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: the starting job right away, just because you know, he

1105
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: played well down the stretch. And keep in mind he

1106
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: also took some time to learn the offense because he

1107
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: was claimed right before the season from the Chargers, where

1108
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: he started. So that's why Halapio had the edge. State

1109
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: traded Brett Jones to the Vikings because Hallapio knew the system.

1110
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: He was here all offseason, and then if Hallapeo doesn't

1111
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: get hurt. I mean it's a hypothetical, but I don't

1112
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: think there's even a guarantee that Spencer Police sees the

1113
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: fielded center. You might not last season, So keep that

1114
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: in mind. He just simply took advantage of his opportunity.

1115
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: All right, J appreciate the phone, Thank you, thanks so much.

1116
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: Awaying in, let's head back to the Lions. Coach Marvin

1117
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: is in Delaware. Coach Marvin, what's happening, hey, coach? You right? Coach? Oh,

1118
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: I just wanted to call about the draft picks that

1119
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: we got. Um, you know Daniel Jones. You know, we'll

1120
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: see what happens. Anything gonna tell us what happens with

1121
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: him is his play when his time come. That's right.

1122
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: And you know he did play with some, um, some

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: guys that wasn't really high profile players, but you know

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: another player that played quarterback, and he did some good

1125
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: things playing with those types of players. And he actually

1126
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: sitting in the same locker room and that elis when

1127
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: he was playing at Mississippi. Imagine the sec in the

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00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: teams he was playing against back at that time. He

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00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: performed he carried that that that team on his back,

1130
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: and well, you know what, Coach Marvin, that's actually one

1131
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: of the primary reasons that Ernie of Corsi felt he

1132
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: had to get Eli Manning because he said, the way

1133
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: that Old Miss was constructed at the time, they were

1134
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: outmanned and overmatched virtually every week, and Eli was the

1135
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: guy who was rising above the tide and trying to

1136
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: keep that team competitive. Now, I don't I don't know

1137
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: necessarily that you could say exactly the same thing about

1138
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, because I think, you know, you could probably

1139
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: say that that Eli's numbers were better than jones numbers

1140
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 1: were if you compared their their college stats. But the

1141
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: principal still remains that you know, he did everything he could,

1142
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: that is Jones to keep Duke in a somewhat competitive

1143
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: situation with lackluster talent, right, And I agree with that,

1144
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: and I agree with that. The one thing I'm not

1145
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna say anymore I hope they can cut down on

1146
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: it is comparing him to Eli or saying he's like Eli. Um.

1147
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: I think the best thing for him is for them

1148
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: to let him be who he is. Absolutely saying oh

1149
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: he's like Eli, It's like comparing players the old players,

1150
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: and you're just that's just a lot you put on

1151
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: these guys. Let him build his own legacy, right and

1152
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: you don't need to do that. Just say, is Daniel

1153
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: Jones he ain't got you don't want to hear about

1154
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: Oh he his demeaners like Eli, He talked like, no,

1155
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: he's Daniel. You know what I remember, Coach Marvin. I.

1156
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever lived in the New

1157
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: York metropolitan area, but I remember when Bobby Mercer was

1158
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next Mickey Mantle. You know, I'm

1159
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: from North New Jersey though Okay, well see I didn't

1160
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: know where your roots were from, so you you you

1161
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: can understand that comparison. There's a there's a lot of

1162
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: similarities there in terms of the dynamic of how people felt.

1163
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: You know, the same scout who signed Mantels signed Mercer

1164
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: and he was a power hitter and he was a

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: center fielder, and he was gonna be the you know,

1166
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: the golden child of the next Yankee generation. You know,

1167
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: there were so many similarities and both guys, you know,

1168
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: had that twin about them, and uh, you know, but

1169
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: of course, you know, there's only one Mickey Mantle like,

1170
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: there's only one Eli Manning, right, and yeah, and I

1171
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: agree with that, and that's where we have to have

1172
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: to stop doing that. And the same thing when coach

1173
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: sula Um was talking, I mean that the media is

1174
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna say what they say, and that's their job. That

1175
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: a questions that um that maybe a fan want to hear,

1176
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: They ain't there to act a question that the coaches

1177
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: want to hear. But the coaches got to pick their

1178
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: spots when they want to say certain things. They have

1179
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: to diffuse those things because you know, yeah, they paying

1180
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: four and gasoline on it, but the coaches are lighting

1181
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: the flame, so you stop the flame. Well, how so

1182
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: it's all right, they coach Marvin, You're You're right to

1183
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: a degree that the coaches have to be very careful

1184
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: what they say. But at the same time, they're trying

1185
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: to be honest, and they're also trying to give the

1186
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: player positive public reinforcement wherever they think it's justified. The

1187
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: bad news is that anytime they do that, you're going

1188
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: to have certain outlets that will take it out of

1189
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: context or blow it up and throw gasoline on it

1190
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: because they're gonna twist it for their own agenda, right,

1191
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: I can understand that, but and you do have to

1192
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: be trying to be truthful, but not with hypothetically. You

1193
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: can't say, well, you think you'd be ready in week one,

1194
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: Well let's see we're not. We're only in May. Let's

1195
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: let's see where he is at the time. I think

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01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: understood a question about playing in week one. Understood. Hey,

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01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: So those are the things I think they need to

1198
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: tone back as far as the organization because the media

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna feed into it. It's on every network. Every

1200
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: network talks about that, and and who's lighting that plane?

1201
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: We're lighting that plane. So I'm just I'm not I'm

1202
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: not a professional at it. I did coach, but you

1203
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: gotta pull back on some things you say. But you know,

1204
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: they the head coaches and the distant coaches, so they

1205
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: know what they need to say. But I had a

1206
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: couple of other things. One real quick draftic the pict

1207
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: I love that. That made me pump my hands in

1208
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: the day. That day are the draft would love. I

1209
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: think that is the diamond and the rough that uh

1210
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: we're looking for. And they did an excellent job with

1211
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: the corners. I mean, we're loaded right now with young

1212
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,919
Speaker 1: corners where you see what they could do. But they're

1213
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: very athletic guys. A lot of guys that can cover

1214
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: play zone. I love who's who's flexible. He can go

1215
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: from the slot, the outside, the safety of all the

1216
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: things this kids can do. UM, I'm very satisfied, and

1217
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: I think without the edge rusher, I would have liked

1218
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. Without the edge rusher, they think they're

1219
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: going to rely on these corners to see how long

1220
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: they can cover to get UM to pass us because

1221
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: they all work hand in hand. Of course, anonymous that

1222
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: can push the pocket, and you need guys that can cover.

1223
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin understand this, though, don't sell x Man short.

1224
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's going to bring as a rookie,

1225
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: but don't don't leave him out of the equation when

1226
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: you're talking about lack of pass rush. And quite honestly,

1227
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: James Betcher told us yesterday he's really counting on a

1228
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: lot out of Marcus Golden. You know now, now eighteen

1229
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: months removed from knee surgery, he's thinking that that this

1230
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: guy can show some of the dominance he showed in

1231
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen when he had twelve and a half sacks. Right,

1232
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: I like the old Shane Pick. I mean I I

1233
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: like that. I like the kids. But again, where he played,

1234
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: we'll see in the preseason, we'll see all of it

1235
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: is potential, this entire None of these guys have got

1236
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: in on the field. Yeah, I need to see the

1237
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: flashes before I'm gonna phrase this rush. But I do

1238
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: like him. I like it. His handwork is unbelievable, moved

1239
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: at his age, a lot of techniques that veterans can't do.

1240
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be good. In my last point, it's

1241
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: the Lawrence picks. And I don't know if you guys

1242
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: heard anything about Lawrence when he first went to Clemson.

1243
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: Somebody I heard it or I read it. He weighed

1244
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: three fifteen when he went, and he was a pretty

1245
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: good passed wresher six and a half sacks six and

1246
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: a half that's not bad, and the injury defense to tackle.

1247
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: But you know, we're in the we're in the era

1248
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: of Aaron Donald. So Aaron Donald planned the same position

1249
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: and getting twenty factors like, oh my god, m but

1250
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: but real quick, we got X Men, we got Lawrence

1251
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: Thomason and b j UMJ and the new movie Bad Boys,

1252
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: three is coming out, and I'm the first to tell

1253
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: you we got the bad boys, got the bad bag boys.

1254
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: Time will tell coach and don't forget. Lorenzo Carta to Coach, Well,

1255
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon the phone call. Thanks so

1256
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: much for weighing in. And yeah, Lorenzo Carter is another

1257
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: young guy still developing. They brought him into situations where

1258
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: he could cover running backs if you remember the San

1259
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: Francisco game, which to me was one of his coming

1260
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: out parties. So we'll see how he continues to chip in.

1261
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: So you know, they're gonna have volume, and volume is

1262
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: gonna bread competition. But they still need to see exactly

1263
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: where all these guys fit in the equation. All right,

1264
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: let's head back to the lines. We've got Len in Columbia, Maryland. Len,

1265
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, guys, how you doing alright? What do

1266
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: you good? Hey? If if you're gonna have to hang

1267
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: on to you know it again on the air, Coach

1268
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: Marvin is a good guy to have to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: It's always always a good call, um. And since he

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Speaker 1: is coach Marvin, and you've had some coaches on today, Uh,

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Speaker 1: nice time a year. I love when you have these

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Speaker 1: coaches on the positive thinking, the positive comments. I'll tell you,

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Speaker 1: if these guys walked into my living room and tried

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Speaker 1: to recruit my son to go play for him, you know,

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Speaker 1: I go these guys, I say to my son, go

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01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: these guys. You know, there's there's a tone to their voice.

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Speaker 1: They sound like coaches, they sound like leaders of men.

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Speaker 1: It's really it's really really great to listen to them.

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Speaker 1: And they're proud of the guy's got attention that as

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Speaker 1: well well. And they've also been veteran coaches. The two

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: guys we spoke to today, it's not their first rodeo.

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: They've been in the industry for quite some time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: they've and they've worked their way up. That that guy

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01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: at O D you um, I used to live over

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, so I was excited about O D you

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01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: you know, starting that program. I mean, he worked his

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Speaker 1: way up and uh, you know, good, good for him.

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Speaker 1: But you'd like to believe it's good to listen to

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Speaker 1: the positive thinking. You know, we get away from the

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01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: strengths and weaknesses and we just talk about the positive

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Speaker 1: aspects of these guys. What are they going to do

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Speaker 1: for us, what can they do for us? And I

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01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of like that. Then you'd like to believe that

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: as part of the portfolio that each of these guys

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01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: brings to the table when they're drafted. You'd like to believe.

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Speaker 1: And I think Dave Gettleman has certainly gone out of

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Speaker 1: his way to stress this that these guys are good guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, he talks about the chemistry, and he talks

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Speaker 1: about the climate, and he talks about you know, everything

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Speaker 1: that he wants the locker room to be. And I

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: think what we have found out during these two Dave

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01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: Gettleman drafts is that these draft picks all have really

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01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: good sound not only football backgrounds, but good sound backgrounds

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01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: as young men. And and they're coaching staffs and we've

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01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 1: had them on now for two years. They've all praised

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Speaker 1: these guys as hard workers, good, good chemistry, guys with

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01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: great attitudes that you know, you build on in in

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01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: these in these players. But you know, we we don't

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01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: need some talent to you know, I don't want to

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01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: go understood understood total like that. You know, we do

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: need some talent, but I think we're getting good people.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Dave's doing a good job and

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Speaker 1: bring and then the good people and so forth. Listen,

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Speaker 1: question about X men and I love the nickname. Um.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any feel for um? What side of

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: the line he made the most impact on? Uh? You know?

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Speaker 1: Was it left? I was it right? He moved around? Yeah,

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: he moved around. He moved around. Do you have any

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01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: idea about that? The cut ups that I saw had

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Speaker 1: him in a number of different spots, and then talking

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Speaker 1: to the coaching staff about him, he was moved around

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Speaker 1: a lot. What what I do find interesting is that

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Speaker 1: he played a lot with his hand down, and even

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: though he did some stuff while standing up, he did

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Speaker 1: do a lot with his hand down. And in the

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01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: National Football League, you better have some more strength and

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: power if you're gonna be down on the ground, you know,

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01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have your hand in the dirt. So

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Speaker 1: what I'd like to see as as he gets here,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see him playing more stand up edge.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'd like to see. John John Schmolkin, I

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01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: disagree he thinks he going to be more with his

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Speaker 1: hand in the dirt. I see it the other way.

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Speaker 1: But do we see do we know anything about the

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Speaker 1: left side or right side both Again he moved around. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so he didn't move around, and he can play either

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 1: side in other ways, he wasn't he wasn't more dominant

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01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: on one side than he was on the other. He well,

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Speaker 1: I can't say that he didn't have a better side,

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Speaker 1: But when I looked at the cut ups on him,

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: it was it was cut ups from all different areas.

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you that I watched full games

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: to where I would say he was more effective on

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Speaker 1: one side of the other. That would be something that

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01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: that I just could not identify. And also with young

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: players I think you want to move them around early

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Speaker 1: in their career. I mean, why would you want to

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: just say, hey, you did it on the right. Well,

1349
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: you want to find out, but you also want a

1350
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: toy with the best fit to maximize getting all the

1351
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: guys on the field, and if for a few plays

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Speaker 1: you gotta move into the opposite side, I don't think

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01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: that's necessarily a bad thing. Well, I you know, I

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01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: I buy into that strategy. I just thought, if a

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Speaker 1: guy does something well in this first year, first training camp,

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Speaker 1: I mean you put him in that spot and see

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Speaker 1: whether or not he can you can start him there.

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Speaker 1: I want no doubt, but I think and then you

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Speaker 1: start moving him around. But I understand Lance, good point.

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Speaker 1: Good point. Um. Uh, you know, I had a quick

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Speaker 1: question about compics. I hope you can take this. I

1362
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: know there's a maximum on compics thirty two? Is there

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: a maximum to a team? Can you get? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if there, I mean, can a team get twelve compis? No?

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Speaker 1: I thought the max was three. I could be wrong

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Speaker 1: on that, so I don't want you to hold me

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Speaker 1: to it. Okay, okay, good and hey, great great shows.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, looking forward to As you know, we

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Speaker 1: approach training camp, things looking good. Oh well, let me

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Speaker 1: let me just say one more thing. You know, I

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Speaker 1: understand your point about competition and the importance of it,

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01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: But if Lance and I are competing with one another

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01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: first spot on an NFL roster, I feel badly for

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01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: that NFL team. I mean, so do I Land so

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Speaker 1: I no, but we keeping. I know you think this

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01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: may be a reference to the center position. I'm not

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Speaker 1: as high on the on the guy's competing for the

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Speaker 1: center position as you guys are, And even with coach Shermer,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that's because Sherman's an expert on the

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Speaker 1: center position. You know, it is the way I feel,

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Speaker 1: so I like competition, but I hope these are NFL

1382
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Speaker 1: caliber starters. Hey, thanks for taking they got out. Thank you, line,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the vocal and short. As we wrap up to me,

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Speaker 1: Pulley showed during the second half of last season that

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Speaker 1: he is a quality center in this league. So if

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01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: he loses the job during summer camp to uh Hallo Peo,

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: well then Hallapeo flat out beat him and deserves the job.

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: Case closed, and that's a win for the Giants as

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned. Pully also started two seasons for

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01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: the Chargers, no question. I mean, it's not as if

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01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: he just walked into the Giants and this was his

1392
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: first option. And if Polly holds him off, well then

1393
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 1: he deserved to do it. And that's good for the

1394
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 1: Giants too, because thought he played well last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that the line certainly improved at the Tanil

1396
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: end of the season, when it's no surprise Soldier was healthy,

1397
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: Pulley was more comfortable, Jamon Brown had an opportunity to

1398
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 1: settle in. Like anything else, the more you play with

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01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: one another, the better the production. So now the goal

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: is if the line can stay healthy and these guys

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01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: get the reps in in camp that you're not just

1402
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna wait for the final five games of the season

1403
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: to see that happen, but you're gonna see it a

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: little bit earlier in the year, alright. That is gonna

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Speaker 1: wrap things up for us here on Thursday's edition a

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by cors Like. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back up and running again tomorrow at noon easternview You

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Speaker 1: and Jeff Feagles on tomorrow show. Appreciate everybody for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for both coaches for weighing him. We'll have both

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Speaker 1: of those interviews up on giants dot com for Paula

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: Tino on Lance Meadow. Joy the rest of your Thursday,

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Speaker 1: and always stay locked to giants dot com. Have a

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Speaker 1: going