1 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: There he is. What's up, Fellows? What's right on? Is he? 2 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: Is? 3 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: He coming back in a second? 4 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: No problem? 5 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: How you been man? 6 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Great man? Not bad, you know, busy this time of year, but. 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: Getting like the I like the kids art work in 8 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: the back there. 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: That's not the kids I worked there that. It's hard 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: to work hard on that. No, it's my artwork. I'm 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: trying to showcase myself portraits. Okay, I'm sorry about that. 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: I like your there. I didn't hear what you said, Mikey. 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: That was me. I said, did you get that fade today? 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: No? 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: It looks clean from the sides. So much judgment. It's 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: like deliberatively. 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: I know, I know, I know, but you're delivered it. 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: Everyone heard it. I wasn't the only one who heard it. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 4: You delivered it like okay, like you didn't expect it 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 4: or you barely approved, but I appreciate. 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: It's just complete jealousy to have somebody's fade just sharp 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: at all times. 23 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: Dominicqe. 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 5: He'll call you out too, because one time he was like, 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 5: your line looks a little crooked tail, and. 26 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, you don't don't say that to me. 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Is y'all come over? There right now. I did. I 28 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: did say that to him, but I will. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 4: Him destroy you, But I think, yeah, I mean the 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: thing about that is Taylor knows I had a I 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: had a barber give me a little not too long ago, 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: give me a little bad cut, and I. 33 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: Was trying to figure out how how I could. 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: Hide it right, yeah, you know, And I feel like 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 4: you got to show up with like some compassion, like 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: don't tell him like you're informing. 37 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm just like, ah, true, I do announce when my 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: ship's off because I'm like, come on, I get the 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: same barber for a long time, like at least be 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: able to get it right. But the reason Taylor is 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: available for ripping is because his dad is a hairstylist, 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: so but he doesn't let him do his hair. And 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: so I was just giving him a hard time, going 44 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: for the jokes, saying, hey, did your dad do your 45 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: hair this time? 46 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: Get it? 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: Because it was not even all right. But that's over, 48 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: It's okay. Oh no, no, no, everyone's available for ripping. 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: That's the love language between men. 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 6: Like yes, yes, wait, so you want someone to kind 51 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 6: of not really say you want someone to kind of 52 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 6: show some sympathy towards the bad. 53 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Haircuting got no. 54 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 4: I mean I was as yeah, I was gonna as 55 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: a man who recognized the important significance of a shape up. 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 4: And it was like, I don't know, it was probably 57 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 4: late eighties, early nineties when when we got beholden to 58 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: this horrible institution. And I'm sorry Stu guys, I'm leaving 59 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: you and mikey A out of this conversation. But as 60 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 4: as people who need shape ups, we used to like, 61 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: I feel like I see old pictures like the sixties 62 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: seventies civil rights movement, so like cool like musicians, black musicians, 63 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 4: hairlines doing they just hairlines, living free. 64 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: They probably got a haircut once a month now. 65 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: Because some rappers in the late eighties was like, hey, 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna get this sharp line now. 67 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: I gotta get my shit cut every week. I gotta 68 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: get paint in my shit, I gotta get sprayed, I 69 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: gotta get all types of shit. 70 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's conned by Jalen Rose in the mid nineties, 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: just like early nineties is really that's when I had 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: to finally commit. It was like eighth grade. It's like, 73 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: all right, nineteen ninety one, here comes a fade. Never 74 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: went to anything been having this exact same haircut, since 75 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 2: that's how much pressure it was. 76 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: But you have a choice. I could. 77 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: I could look at Taylor and tell he didn't have 78 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 4: a choice. I could look at your hair and say 79 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: you had a choice. 80 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: You could. 81 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: I appreciate that, y'all you joined us, But you could 82 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: have went the other direction. 83 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: I could have. I mean, it's not great. I have 84 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: like big curls, Like what is that? Nobody wants to 85 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: something that big curls are wonderful? You could, you could have. 86 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: You didn't have to join us, So we welcome you, 87 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 4: appreciate your tailor, and I happy that you joined us 88 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 4: in the tyranny of weekly shape ups. Put it on 89 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 4: the poletail or big curls wonderful, stupendous. 90 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I like big gray curls on 91 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: it's not the best. 92 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 6: How many How many haircuts does it take to recover 93 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 6: from a bad haircut? 94 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: Like, how long will it? It's time? 95 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: It's a problem. It's not a number of haircuts, it's 96 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 4: a number of weeks. And that's the tough part, especially 97 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: if your hair is long, your hair is short, then 98 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: you wait one week and the growth will come back 99 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: in and you can address it. 100 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: But if it's long, you gotta wait a long time. 101 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: If you ever see me doing a bunch of head 102 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: tilting like this, I'm not really like thinking about what 103 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: you're saying a lot more. I'm just making sure that 104 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: nobody notices that my shit's not straight, you know what 105 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: I mean? 106 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: So many is there. 107 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 5: Anything more confusing than when when you hear people say 108 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: like they have to grow into their haircut, like the 109 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 5: haircut doesn't look good when they initiately get it. 110 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's yeah. I think that's again. 111 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: That's the two American situation, where like the it's like 112 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 4: when I was a kid in my mind, will buy 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: me shoes that were a size too big. 114 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: Like we did it for a reason, like those these 115 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: shoes could last. 116 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: Just get another haircut. Why don't you get it cut 117 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: right the first damn time? What are y'all doing? Imagine 118 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: that feeling. It's I love leaving the barbershop. 119 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: I never feel more clean, more put together than when 120 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm leaving the barber Imagine leaving the barbershop and big, 121 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: oh no, this is off. 122 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: But in a few days I'm gonna look great. No, 123 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: that's terrible. 124 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 6: But I feel like every time I leave the barber shop, 125 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 6: do you wake up on that on that. 126 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 4: One week date, like and feel the same way that 127 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: we feel when we walk out. Because when I walk 128 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 4: in there, it's like, Okay, I'm cool. When I walk out, 129 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, girls stop looking at me. Three days later 130 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: for me, he sets an alarm on his phone. 131 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: Looked at the up there it is. That's the look. 132 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: That's the lookout was open. 133 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 4: So when you have a special occasion like a graduation 134 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: or anniversary or something like, I am sure to get 135 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 4: my shit done that morning, like this is the day. 136 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: So when you do, you have to like backdate it, 137 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: like man, on. 138 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: Saturday, I'm getting the haircut on Tuesday or Wednesday. 139 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I gotta grow into it. Dominique, Oh man. 140 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: I learned this a while back with white people because 141 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: they said they had to get there. They're they're getting 142 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: married on a certain day, so they have to get 143 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: their haircut a week before because they didn't want that 144 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: fresh haircut look in the pictures. 145 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Why not? Fresh haircuts are amazing. That's when you look 146 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: your best. 147 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: You guys get haircuts like I buy bananas. It's weird, 148 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: like man, this is gonna be delicious. It's a little 149 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: green right now, give me a few days. I'm gonna bitch. 150 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: Learning so much. I'm learning so much, so am I yes, 151 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: I feel very left out as well. It all makes sense. 152 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: Though, right, like it's easy, like it's just it's just 153 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: I mean when Travis Kelcey introduced the fade, we were 154 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: all like, wow, what a great cut. 155 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: Like we should do that all the time. 156 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 4: I mean, Mikey, you get it with your facial hair though, 157 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 4: like I see you got you got you get that 158 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: shit lined up. 159 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: I can tell, yeah, so you know that you suit 160 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: that you hit it. I think it's the same thing. 161 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 4: It's like shaving because like you guys wake up and 162 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: shave every morning. 163 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't do that. 164 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 4: Like that's that's that's another cultural exchange that we can have. 165 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: It's like shaving for black people is a whole different 166 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: experience because they don't make razors. 167 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: For our hair, and the hair is curly, you get 168 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: razor bumps. 169 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 4: Black people shave as little as possible, and so like 170 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 4: you rarely see a black man unless see in a 171 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: military without any facial hair. 172 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: But also like we get a little you let it grow. 173 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: A little bit because you can't be razoring your face 174 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 4: every day because the hair is so curly. 175 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: But you, guys, you just wake up well not you 176 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: Still you're a different No. I probably should shave every day, but. 177 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: I don't, but like generally every morning. Like that was 178 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: a shock for me when I got out of school 179 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: and saw people They're like, no, I shave every morning. 180 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: And then I never knew, like I my whole life 181 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: or like early life, you would hear about, like on 182 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: TV shows and movies, the five o'clock shadow. I'm like, 183 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: that's not something that I even understood the concept, but 184 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: like your shit comes back by five o'clock, Yes, Stu. 185 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: I assume you wake up and shave every day and 186 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 5: life just makes it look like that by ten o'clock 187 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: in the. 188 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Morning five minutes later. 189 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 4: Yes, mike yea, I say you got that thing lined up, mikey, 190 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: I see, yeah, appreciate it. 191 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 6: Dominique, we were having a is he's gonna kill me here? 192 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 6: We were having a funny conversation. Is he is the 193 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 6: general manager and head coach of a very successful, very 194 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 6: good flag football team. He is also dating. He's dating 195 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 6: the quarterback. It's a conflict of interest. How do you 196 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 6: feel about it? Is he you don't play anymore? 197 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: No, I still play. 198 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: I had a little hamstring thing this tournament, so I 199 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: limited my reps. 200 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: But I still mean, well, I think as long as 201 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 4: you guys are, as long as you're the head coach 202 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: and general manager, I feel like it's okay because the 203 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 4: quarterback always has a special relationship with those people. But 204 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: once you become a receiver, then. 205 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: Then against Well. 206 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: See, this actually is the origin story to why I'm 207 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: a defensive player. It's because when I was trying to 208 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: play offense with him, I'd be in the middle of 209 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: the field, wide open and be like, are you purposely 210 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: ignoring me? 211 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: Because I'm right here? Can you take off the sunglasses? 212 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I want to see where your eyes are looking? And 213 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, not worth it, 214 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play defense. 215 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 4: I do imagine that that has that It probably would 216 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 4: lead to some fights and misunderstandings and a little bit 217 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 4: more attention than it has to be you want. Yeah, 218 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 4: especially if one of you has a game a play 219 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: that causes the game to not go in the right direction. 220 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: It's just like, and I know how competitive. 221 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 6: You are, right, I think, Well, why receiver would be 222 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 6: worse than being the GM or head coach. 223 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. When you man, when you have not 224 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: been getting the ball, wait, avoid Dan, wait avoid dand 225 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: just kid right by. 226 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: When you have not been getting the ball from your 227 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: quarterback right think about how furious that is. Now, Think 228 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: about that's the person who's supposed to see you more 229 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: than anybody else out there, and he doesn't see you. 230 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: And then finally, finally he forces one year way and 231 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: then you drop it. Holy shit, talk about the nuclear 232 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: bomb in the household. That's gonna set off. I'm like, 233 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: you know what, that's not really worth it. I'm just 234 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: gonna go to the other side of the football. 235 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: I feel like. 236 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 4: It could open the I've written a story in my 237 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 4: mind already where it's like an argument that's like I 238 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 4: feel like you're not seeing me, and he's like, it's 239 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: like some deep philosophical point, Like, no, motherfucker, I was 240 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 4: open in the hole on thirty six. I feel like, literally, 241 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: you're not seing throw me to football now. I hadn't 242 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: made a statement yesterday and I called this something that 243 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: could break up a franchise. 244 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: Okay, if you, as a coach. 245 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 2: Send out your punting unit and your quarterback said, get 246 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: the hell out of. 247 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: Here, punting unit. That happened here, Yes, that happened twice. 248 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: He was ignored. 249 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and then does it again after it wasn't successful 250 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: the first time, does it again a two games later, 251 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: and then the second time was actually successful. Got a 252 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 2: crazy fourth and fifteen dominique. What happens on the next play? 253 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 2: What happens when karma hits you in the face on 254 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: the next play? 255 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: Turnover? Pick six? 256 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: Pick six right before the half, right before the half, 257 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: where we say, if we go down in this half one. 258 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: We're fine, We're fine, No goes for it, gets happy 259 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: with it. 260 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: Pick six on the next play, Now we're down eight 261 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: and they get the ball going into the half or 262 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: starting the next half. There's everybody that would break up 263 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: a franchise docise. 264 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: You gotta win the middle eight. 265 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: The relationship counseling combined with the team counselor is something 266 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: I had not considered. Like it's like when we're talking 267 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 4: about HR with Jonathan Gannon, Like, yeah, there's no HR department, 268 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 4: but we are also not equipped for this level, especially 269 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 4: like as as. 270 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: Men generally, Like I got other teammates like I really 271 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: want to say something, but it's gonna make me sound 272 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: like a therapist or like a couple's counselor instead of 273 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: a football teammate. 274 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: But you shouldn't treat him that way. Wait is he? 275 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 6: I'm wondering if anyone else ignores your orders on that 276 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 6: team or they're getting cut, are they still on the 277 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 6: team the next time? 278 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: I mean they're sitting, they're sitting for a minute, Like, 279 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: I don't know who else, who else I'm gonna put 280 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: in there at quarterback? 281 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: But it's not like we practiced enough with QB two, right, Yeah, 282 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: that's why you gotta make him pay away from the field. Yeah, 283 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: whatever you want, you're not necessarily getting. No, no, no, 284 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: I just I'm a silent treatment. 285 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 2: They're okay, okay, Because I was gonna say. 286 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: He might like that. No, well, then the opposite whatever 287 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: he likes to do, the opposite silent treatments probably go ahead. 288 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: Teller domeny occur the Draguarts for real. 289 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: Oh jesus, it's Trevor Lawrence Good, is the question? 290 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was. 291 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 6: Gonna go to the Cardinals and John the Gun, and 292 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 6: I thought that's where he wanted to go. 293 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: Let's start with the jack. I like that. That's a 294 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: nice hard turn. Tail. 295 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. You got this podcast thing, figure it out, 296 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 4: but yeah, for real, as a stretch, I think that 297 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: that was a really big win, impressive win. I think 298 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 4: the most impressive think about the Jaguars is that they 299 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: it's all the things that we don't pay attention to 300 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: that matter a lot more, because I think if their 301 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 4: running game and their defense was not as good as 302 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 4: it is right now, we would be saying that Trevor 303 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: and uh and Cohen are not on the same page. 304 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: But I think because those other things have like supported 305 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 4: this organization, has given them time to like find plays 306 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: and have signature moments like that win last week feels 307 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 4: like a signature moment. A couple of those passes feel 308 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: like signature moment. What a shitty signature moment? 309 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: Hey, this is like the worst biggest missed opportunity for 310 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: Adidas to not come out with like a new Fall 311 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: seven times Get Up eight ad was starring Trevor Lawrence 312 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: and and but that's his signature moment, like oh crap, oh. 313 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: No, okay, touchdown, Hey look at me. 314 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: I mean on that drive he has some really good 315 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 4: throws also. But the point I was making for you're right. 316 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 4: The point I was making though, is like they were 317 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: in that game. The offense was up and down. They 318 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: had a bunch of terrible penalties and like mistakes and 319 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: fumbles on the one yard line. Like they were not 320 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: particularly good. But and the defense wasn't perfect. But the 321 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 4: pick six and all the other games previously this one, 322 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: the offense wasn't tremendous, or at least the passing offense 323 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: wasn't tremendous. But like they have a good record in 324 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 4: a good situation in large part because of all the 325 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: factors that aren't Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen, which is 326 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 4: I mean, we don't take that into account. 327 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: We rewrite history. 328 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 4: If they going to have a great season, we're gonna like, man, 329 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: Liam Cohen sure knows how to cure quarterbacks, right. 330 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 6: But I still have no idea if the quarterback's good. 331 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: I mean, even after beating the Chiefs, I have no. 332 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: Idea if you don't think he is. 333 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, he has this thing where I'm trying to think 334 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: of someone else who is like like Jameis Winston is 335 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: the most extreme example of it, where it's. 336 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Like, what the hell are you doing? 337 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 4: And Dan It's like, oh my god, that's amazing, and 338 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: so like that. 339 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: Was perfect for that final drive. 340 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 4: There were two throws on that drive that was like, 341 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, that was perfect. Then there are also 342 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: penalties and slip and falls and like, what the hell 343 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 4: are you doing? 344 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence is a guy who gets a haircut five 345 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: days ahead of time, right, so it could look good. 346 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: Five days from now. 347 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield gets his shit clean every single week, Like 348 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: he gets lined up all the time. Baker Mayfield might 349 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: be family. I'm not sure what I'm doing there. What 350 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: are we changing? Like perception wise about Baker. I still 351 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: think he is the type of quarterback we thought he 352 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: was coming in, But I think maybe he's given more 353 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: freedom that he's allowed to. 354 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: You know, that he can be this guy. Yeah, I 355 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: mean I think the way the Baker's playing. 356 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 4: Excuse me, Actually, I just finished watching that game just 357 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: before I got on with you, and one of the 358 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 4: things I was so impressed with is like the connection 359 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 4: between Baker and his receivers and an understanding of zone coverage. 360 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 4: Some of the throws that he was making, you could 361 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 4: tell that the receivers were anticipating it, even a mecha Buka, 362 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 4: and it was like, this is not really a throw 363 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 4: you should be making right now, especially to a rookie. 364 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: But like he'll settle down his route. It seems like 365 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 4: they understand a lot more. And again the running game 366 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: is really good there and the defense has been playing 367 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: really well. We like to focus on these big picture 368 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: are these big name guys like the quarterback, which Baker 369 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: deserves it. He's led these fourth quarter comebacks, but even 370 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: without Tristan Worse for much of this season, they've been 371 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: running the ball well and Baker has been scrambling and 372 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 4: making stuff happen. But he's also like making these throws 373 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: in important situations. I think what we all like fear 374 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: for Baker is is he going to turn into a 375 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: pumpkin one week. It doesn't seem like it's going to happen. 376 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 4: It hasn't happened consistently for the last couple of years, 377 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: but we like that first impression matters so much. Those 378 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 4: years with the Browns are still in the back of 379 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: our head. 380 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 6: But dominic, it seems like if he does turn into 381 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 6: the pumpkin for one week, he's a guy. He has 382 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 6: the mentality like, Hey, I'm gonna shake it off and 383 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 6: come back next week and throw for five touchdowns. 384 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: Are we doing pumpkin because it's almost Halloween or because 385 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: they wear the like pumpkin colored or. 386 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: Dominant Cinderella He has a Cinderella reference. 387 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get it, but I just got timing wise, 388 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: it might have been a double meaning. 389 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take lamar action. Yeah, I'll take that, just 390 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: like Kendrick. 391 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: You guys will make meaning out of nothing and then 392 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: I'll pretend like I wrote it that way. 393 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: Baby, I'll do that for you. But yeah, I think. 394 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 4: Baker is really good. And uh, you're right about that mentality. 395 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: That's the stuff that you can A. 396 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: Lot of people don't have that, right. You can't really 397 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: measure that stuff. 398 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 4: And I think often times all the talent is like 399 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 4: easy to find relatively, like there's plenty of talent at 400 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 4: that position and talent at a bunch of positions. 401 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: But I think the mentality. 402 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: Part is really hard to to be able to assess, 403 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 4: and it matters so much for a player like Baker. 404 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 6: I was telling these guys earlier in the week, and 405 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 6: i'd be interested in your in your opinion on this. 406 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 6: It is I believe that Lamar Jackson, because he is 407 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 6: more important to the equation for the Baltimore Ravens, could 408 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 6: walk into the owner's office and say, Hey, I like John. 409 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: It's just not working. 410 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 6: I want a new head coach, and I think the 411 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 6: Ravens would go get him a new head coach. 412 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: Do you agree with me? 413 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 4: Ah, that's a really tough question. So most organizations, I 414 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 4: think the answer is an obvious yes. This one requires 415 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: a little bit more thought because they've always been kind 416 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 4: of strategic in the way that they plan for these 417 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: decisions and long term decisions, and they also have never 418 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: had a player that is this good at this position 419 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 4: to I think you're probably right, yeah, but it's it's 420 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: just hard for me to imagine that organization because like 421 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: they knew who was going to take over for Ozzie 422 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 4: years in advance, and they were grooming it and like 423 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: even zach Orr, like they had the understanding that they 424 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 4: wanted zach Orr to be their defensive coordinator. I think 425 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: the idea of moving on and acquiring Todd Monk and 426 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 4: are things that they make decisions well in advance, and 427 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 4: it's the reason why they have so much success. I 428 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: think it or sustained success. So it seems so unraven 429 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: like to like react to a disgruntled player, But if 430 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 4: he's a two time MVP, then right, you know, if 431 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: he shows up the work mad, that changes everything. 432 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: Right. 433 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: Are we still looking at John Harbaugh as currently being 434 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: that level of successful because he was on fire early 435 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: on in his career, not so much lately. And I 436 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: would argue the disappointment level has not matched the success 437 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: level at the highest, right. 438 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess it depends on how you measure 439 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: what you're measuring success. So winning championships hasn't happened, but 440 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 4: they've remade this team a number of different ways and 441 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: still been a top team in the AFC every year. 442 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: So that stability, excuse me, it's not even just like stability, 443 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: it's like high end stability, like they win in twelve, thirteen, 444 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 4: fourteen games every year and then falling short in the 445 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: playoffs is a different conversation. So if you think, and 446 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 4: I think it's a matter of philosophy, it's like the 447 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 4: reason we're not getting over this hump is because of 448 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 4: the coach, then you might move on for from him. 449 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 4: But I think the Ravens also they used to be 450 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 4: the Browns in case you guys forgot I think that. 451 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: I think that. 452 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: DNA is still there where it's like we know how 453 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 4: bad it can get. So as I would. 454 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: Argue that level of defense that they had before. 455 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: Maybe underachieved, right, and now with Lamar Jackson, I would 456 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: say a lot of people are. 457 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: Saying certainly underachieved. 458 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: And you know there are people who point to to 459 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 2: John's weak spots and say, yeah, that should have been 460 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 2: a lot more evident if not for his amazing roster. 461 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 462 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: I mean it's hard to say though, because it was 463 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 4: when they were having hard times. So like last year, 464 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 4: their defense was bad at the beginning of the year. 465 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 4: He oversaw the transition to they were the best defense 466 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: in the league by the end of this season. He 467 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: also oversaw the transition from Flacco to Lamar Jackson mid 468 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 4: season when he was about to get fired there and 469 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: then he oversaw that transition from Lamar Jackson super athlete 470 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 4: like two tight ends and a fullback on the field 471 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: at all times too. Now, Lamar Jackson is the prototype 472 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 4: for modern quarterback that would rather rip you from the 473 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 4: pocket but will make you pay. 474 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: So like these. 475 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 4: Things I imagine not I imagine. I know these things 476 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 4: are hard to accomplish. How much credit you give to 477 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 4: a specific player or coach or general manager is hard 478 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 4: to suss out. However, there's been one constant, so like 479 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 4: you could argue that he's been the reason why. And 480 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 4: when they hired him, they hired him he was a 481 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: special teams coordinator, and that's like a rare hire. They 482 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 4: hired him not because of his schematic acumen, as like 483 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: a lot of coaches are hired for that reason. 484 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: They hired him because they believed that he had head. 485 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 4: Coach DNA and he could manage all these stuff, all 486 00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 4: these things, and he has done that. 487 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: And that is sort of, philosophically speaking, kind of the 488 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: opposite of what most franchises do, right, because if you're 489 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: going to change an approach, you might as well change 490 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: the head coach. They are changing approaches, keeping the guy 491 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: who oversees it all and says, hey, that continuity is 492 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: going to help us in the long run. And sure 493 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: that is makes perfect sense and it's frankly what they've 494 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: been doing. But he's not going to put them over 495 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: the top enough, which is what as a fan I 496 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: would want from that position. 497 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they believe that. 498 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: The playoffs are as one game sample and random, and 499 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: you keep getting I think that's what they tell themselves, 500 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 4: keep getting there. It's a one game sample and and 501 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 4: if Mark Andrews doesn't drop the ball, we're in a 502 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 4: different situation. 503 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 6: But at some point Lamar is gonna like Lamar is 504 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 6: going to say, hey, I'm judged by winning championships, Like 505 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 6: that's the way they judge quarterbacks. 506 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 3: It's a lazy way of doing it, but that's the 507 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 3: way they judging this. 508 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: What did we wanted? 509 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 4: I don't mind that, Like, I understand that's the way 510 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: things are. But the problem with that coming from Lamar 511 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 4: is some of these shortcomings in the playoffs. 512 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: Are on him. 513 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that part of the reason why 514 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 4: they got a new coordinator was because he was like, yeah, 515 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: this ain't gonna work. You guys expect me to have 516 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 4: this playoff success, but you are forcing me to play 517 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 4: in this way that doesn't work. So they go get 518 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 4: Todd Mounkin and then the offense explodes, and so I 519 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: don't know. I think he probably wants more time, the 520 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: same way that I think John Harbar believes that he 521 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 4: deserves more time. 522 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: Are you excited for Joe Bacco. 523 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 4: I don't love anything as much as Joe flackow loves 524 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 4: being on the field and playing like I don't know 525 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: if he owes some people some gambling debts or what, 526 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 4: but like. 527 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson might love it more. 528 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 4: Yes, these people love them some football man, because going 529 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 4: from bad team to bad team only to get smacked around, 530 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 4: and then on top of it, it's like I would 531 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: understand because like my kids weren't really I mean two 532 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 4: of them weren't alive and one of them wasn't like 533 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 4: with it enough to know what's going on. So I 534 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 4: understand the motive, like I want to get out there 535 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: and show my kids that I'm good at this. But 536 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 4: I don't know if you follow those reports. But Joe 537 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: Flacco kids hem him, they wearing Mersch jerseys and talking 538 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 4: shit to him, telling him that he's not that good, 539 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: Like what are we doing this for? 540 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: I don't know. 541 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 4: And you're not joining teams that you're gonna like get 542 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 4: a Super Bowl ring. On the back end, he just 543 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 4: man loves to play football, which is a great trait 544 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: to have when you when you're twenty eight, where you're forty, I. 545 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: Mean, you love it more than your kids. Maybe you 546 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: should rethink this. 547 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: When did you stop loving football? Oh? 548 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess so it's a it's a continuum, 549 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: as I've realized from Joe Flahough because I never I 550 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 4: remember Champ told me a long time ago, don't love 551 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 4: anything that can love you back, and speaking about football, 552 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: and so like, I've never really changed how I felt 553 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: about the game. But there came a point when there 554 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 4: was a decision. I was like, this hurts, this is terrible. 555 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 4: This is not making me happy anymore. I should leave, 556 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 4: and I the love for it, whatever emotion you want 557 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 4: attach to it was not strong enough for me to 558 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 4: stick it out the way it is for Joe Flecco 559 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 4: and a lot of these people, Kirk Cousins like, man, 560 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 4: what you doing? 561 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 5: Man, I'm reading this article right now. And Joe Flacco's 562 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 5: son might be Stu Gotts because they were asking him like, 563 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 5: are you impressed with your dad? He goes he stinks 564 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 5: he's a backup win another super Bowl? 565 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: What get that kid on the show? Is it you 566 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: didn't know about this? 567 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: Huh? 568 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: I I wasn't just playing around when I said his 569 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: kids hate him? How old is this kid? He's like 570 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: twelve something like that. 571 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 4: Eleven twelve, he's a he's like a preteen or early 572 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 4: days young kid. 573 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I want him on the showtail like desperately. Okay, 574 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 6: number one priority. 575 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: He wasn't even born then when his dad won his 576 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Or maybe he's a celebration baby. Maybe that's 577 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: the thing. I was brought into this life because of 578 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. 579 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: I mean, don't hit your children, guys. However, the exact quote, 580 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the facts is the exact quote is. 581 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 5: He was then asked what Joe Flacco would have to 582 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 5: do to change their perception of his career, to which 583 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 5: he said, win another super Bowl. 584 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: So he agrees with the kid. Huh right, that's that's insane. 585 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: How old is Joe Flacco? These kids like Joe Flacco. 586 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: Of all the people who've ever lived in the history 587 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 4: of the world and have played football, Joe Flacco is 588 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 4: a super Bowl MVP. 589 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 2: Yes, and I hope that child is cut off, like 590 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: not to be not to be insincere or like here. 591 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: But that kid, even at thirteen, just. 592 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 4: Going to fancy schools, got all the video games. 593 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 6: He probably got an Xbox in a PlayStation. Every Now 594 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 6: he's got such a charm life. He can rip that 595 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 6: like that with no consequence. It's just whatsoever you're right? 596 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: Imagine normal people had kids like that, Like I don't 597 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: love my dad. He couldn't close the Jennings account. 598 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 6: Go close that account and then we'll talk dad the 599 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 6: Jennings account. Dominique, how would you? I cannot believe we 600 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 6: still have guys? Will let you go here second the 601 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 6: Dominique Foxworth show. Check it out wherever you get your podcasts. 602 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: He's all over. 603 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: ESPN as well. How would you have handled a guy? 604 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 6: I could not believe this is still happening after Deshan 605 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 6: Jackson did it many years ago. 606 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: But you brought up the Cardinals of Jonathan Gandon. 607 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 6: How would you have handled the guy dropping the ball 608 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 6: before he gets into the end zone? And I'm not 609 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 6: certain whether or not it cost him the game, but 610 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 6: certainly because they were up so big at the time 611 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 6: and that really could have put the game away. 612 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: But certainly at the end those were points they could 613 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: have used. How would you have dealt with that? 614 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no there's some things that you that 615 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: you don't have to deal with. Like I tell here's 616 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: an example to use my kids again, is like I 617 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 4: tell my kids, don't turn on the stove and stick 618 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: your hand in the fire. 619 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: But if they do it, I don't need to. 620 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 4: Punish him right right, your shit's burning, like you know, 621 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 4: I bet they won't do it again. So like it 622 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: felt like what Jonathan Gannon did. What was the ugly 623 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 4: part about it was it was it made him feel better. 624 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 4: It was like his I gotta get this off my chest. 625 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 4: We can all see in that situation, how mercado like 626 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 4: he had alignment with his arm around him, like he 627 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: was crushed, how any of. 628 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Us would be. 629 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 4: And that doesn't take away from how like embarrassingly silly 630 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: it is. Also I think he had possession of ball 631 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: when he crossed the goal line, which the referees brought 632 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 4: this on all of us. But that's a whole other conversation. 633 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 4: But you gotta know what the moment comes from. Now, 634 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: if he comes to the sideline, he's laughing and doing 635 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 4: a dance like I happens. 636 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: Whatever that may be. 637 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: A drop kick is necessary, but the man knows how 638 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 4: bad it is. Like it just it felt completely unnecessary. 639 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 4: It feels like, yeah, you just. 640 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: All you have to do to realize how unnecessary it 641 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: is is start to explain to the person, Hey, you 642 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: know what, when you go to the end zone, you 643 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: have to carry the But okay, you already know that. 644 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I shouldn't. 645 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 3: He's saying his pain is enough punishment, of course, isn't it. 646 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: Canon need to add on to it. 647 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 6: I mean, DeShawn Jackson's happy that the visual guy celebrating 648 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 6: that off the field on the sidelines. 649 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 650 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of a circumstance in which I 651 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 4: would look at Jonathan Gandon and and be and at 652 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: least be. 653 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: Like, man, I get it. 654 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 4: Like if if we you like, found out he had 655 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 4: money on the game and you and you punch him 656 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 4: in the throat, I get it, Go boy, John, And 657 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 4: then that man deserves a throat punch if he anything 658 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 4: short of throwing the game. 659 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: Man's crushed, right, is a seventy eight yard touchdown? You 660 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: think he didn't want that? Yeah, but hold on to 661 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: the football? 662 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: Such a waste, man, I agree, Well, then go tell 663 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 4: him hold on football. 664 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: You think that you're giving him some information that he 665 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't have. 666 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 4: Congratulations, some insight, you know, I mean, to the easy's point, 667 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: you gotta cross the gold I know. 668 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: Coach, I believe it. Yes, yes, and I did cross 669 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: the goal line. 670 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 6: The Dominie Fox Work Show wherever you get your podcasts. 671 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 6: I miss you, buddy. We appreciate you doing this. It 672 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 6: was a lot of fun. I'd like you to come 673 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 6: around here more often if you can, if you have 674 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 6: some time, right, I. 675 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: Would love it. 676 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 4: See you guys as long as long as we let 677 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 4: Taylor run the show from here on. I like, okay, 678 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 4: like when Taylor does an absurd turn that is obviously 679 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 4: that Stu is setting up for a transition and. 680 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no no, give me that. 681 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for real Taylor. 682 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 6: He's learned so well, Dominique. I'm so proud of him. 683 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 6: See you guys, say to many, thank you man, appreciate it.