1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. The thoughts 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out, employees of 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a Paranormal Podcast Network. 12 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week you can hear 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: some of the most incredible stories of the paranormal, unsolved 14 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: mysterious phenomenon that is going on in individuals lives. Personally, 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm someone who has been there, seen that, done that, 16 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: experienced it, got over it, wrote about it, and now 17 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to help others do the same thing. I 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: discovered two paranormal phenomena, being shadow people and hat Man, 19 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: and even trademarked both of those phenomena and defined and 20 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: told the world about it. Nothing that I ever set 21 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: out to do as a kid. I just wanted to 22 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: be a comic strip artist. That was it. But as 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: things planned out and panned out, and this is exactly 24 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: what I was supposed to be doing all along. So 25 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: I welcome you, the listener. If you've experienced anything out 26 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, just go to Heidi Hollis dot com 27 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: or go to shadow Folks dot com and you can 28 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: fill out as much information as you'd like in an 29 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: email about whatever it is that you've experienced and I 30 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: will read it here on this program. Or if you'd 31 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: like to be a guest and you want to share 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: what it is you've experienced, you are more than welcome 33 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: to do that. Just indicate that in your email. And 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to be you seeking advice, like 35 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the email that I have today that I'm about to 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: read to you. Sometimes people just want to share or 37 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: they want to give advice or share about their research, 38 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: and that is all fully welcome. But first I want 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: to tell you, right after this segment, we've got Dr 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: Michael Grosso, who has written a new book on miracles. 41 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: You are going to love this conversation now I'll get 42 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: to your emails. I mean, these are I really appreciate 43 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: you guys taking the time to share what it is 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: that you're experiencing out there. I'm always extremely humbled, and again, 45 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: doesn't matter angels to aliens, shadow people to hat man, 46 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: it is all welcomed here. So this email starts off 47 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: with Hi, there, Heidi. I don't necessarily need advice. I'm 48 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: not sure this is an issue anymore. Although there is 49 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: a ghost in my house now, I don't think it's 50 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: the same thing as the shadow person a few years ago. 51 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted to write to share my experience with you. 52 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: So I lived at an apartment and I was on 53 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: the patio just doing over the argument to my husband 54 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: at the time and I were having It was a 55 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: beautiful sunny day, very bright outside. There was no one 56 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: else home and no pets, so I'm not sure why 57 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: I looked over my shoulder to the sliding glass door, 58 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: but I did. When I looked, I saw a very 59 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: tall shadow person who had been leaning to his right, 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: holding onto the vertical blinds in such a way that 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: I only saw his shoulder, his head, and his two 62 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: hands holding the blinds. As soon as I looked. He 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: ran away towards the dining area. Horrible, I can't imagine. 64 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: So I just sat there and blinked. I wasn't startled 65 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: or scared. I watched the blind swinging wildly, and to 66 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: talk about ten minutes for them to come to a stop. 67 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: I just watched the blind the whole time, thinking, yeah, 68 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: that just happened. The color or absence of color is 69 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: the darkest black possible, like a true black. I had 70 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: never noticed before that what we think of as a 71 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: black color is only the best representation of the color 72 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: that we can manage to create, Like how you can 73 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: have vintage black paint, but still the light will reflect 74 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: off of the surface. Because there is a surface. We 75 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: can close our eyes or look into a pitch black room, 76 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: but the pixelated haze of color our eyes sees makes 77 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: possible to see the true color. And this shadow person 78 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: was like a black hole, very eerie in a bright, 79 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: sunny setting. But at the same time, I wasn't creeped out, 80 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, I just wanted to say, first off, that's 81 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: like the absence of light. That's what that is. Okay, 82 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: very eerie, she says, But I wasn't creeped out. And 83 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: I'm a whimp. I'm thirty three now, and I run 84 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: past dark rooms in the hallway still, which is slightly embarrassing. 85 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: I get it. You don't want to see anything creepy 86 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: in there. There's no way I wouldn't have at least 87 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: gotten excited by the experience. But I was completely calm. 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: That's not like me at all. Okay, first, I'll stop 89 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: right here because I know what you're kind of getting at, 90 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: because some people tell me why. I wasn't afraid, So 91 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't negative. Maybe it was an okay thing, 92 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: but um, you know sometimes that happens. People aren't always 93 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: in the full vibe of it. You kind of caught 94 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: it off guard. It probably wasn't aiming for you. You know, 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: you happened to catch it. Your gut said look over 96 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: your shoulder, and whoops, you caught it. So I find 97 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: that fascinating. As she continues, I realized I saw him 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: one other time before that. I saw from the corner 99 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: of my eye that he crossed the hallway blocking out 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: the bathroom light entirely. And I looked and thought that 101 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: was odd. Had to be very tall to block out 102 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: the whole light. As I was sizing my six ft 103 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: tall husband standing there, he wouldn't have been able to 104 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: block out the top of the door area of light 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: from that angle. But I immediately put it out of 106 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: my head before making any judgment and carried on with 107 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: what I was doing. It was months later I got 108 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: lacesic eye surgery and couldn't see at night. It's basically 109 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: at all. After turning out the light, which would last 110 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: for about twenty minutes, just a big haze of yellow 111 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: on a black room. So I went to bed and 112 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: I was about to reach over and pull my blanket 113 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: over my shoulder when the blanket moved up and over 114 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: my shoulder. I asked my husband if he tucked me in, 115 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: and he said no. I knew he didn't, he never 116 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: had before and we were on the verge of a divorce, 117 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: but I had to make sure, so I asked. Fast 118 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: forward another few months and I was sitting on the 119 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: patio again when I hear my husband drop something and 120 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: run through the apartment to our bedroom. He then comes 121 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: out of the other patio and walks around to the 122 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: sidewalk and asked me if I had just run out 123 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: of the bedroom. I was a bit shocked, like WTF, No, 124 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I've been sitting here. Fast forward to a few years later. 125 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: We're divorced now, and a few months ago I asked 126 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: him about the whole thing again. He said he had 127 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: also seen it another time, a big black figure out 128 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: of the corner of his eye, standing by the sliding 129 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: glass door, and when he looked, there was nothing at all. 130 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: This this thing likes to play tricks on you guys. Again, 131 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: I can't help but to say he probably weren't the target, 132 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: but he was probably kind of letting you know, yeah, 133 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: you saw me, let me tuck you in. I'm here. Unfortunately, 134 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: I've read that they instill a sense of terror into people, 135 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: but mine actually was calming, and I think he tucked 136 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: me in that night, as weird as that sounds. Never 137 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: seen him again, say there it is. It's like this, 138 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: this reassuring it's okay, yeah, I'm here, I'm here. I'm 139 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: a comfort you a little bit, but I'm going to 140 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: stay here. And if it was hat Man, which it 141 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of sounds like it, because he saw hands um 142 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of distinctive, that may have indeed been him, and 143 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: he likes people to know that he's present. So and 144 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm like just going to continue. Okay, I never thought 145 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: it was related, but who knows. My son is a 146 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: very happy guy. He was eight at the time, and 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: when we moved there, he started waking up screaming. He 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: had a recurring dream of a large dog that scared 149 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: him very much. He never had night terrors before, so 150 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: it was odd. There it is. You weren't the target, 151 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: there it is. I chalked it up to my marriage 152 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: problems with his dad, but are arguing continued. But my 153 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: son's night terrors stopped completely as soon as we moved 154 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: out of that apartment, so it was going after your kid, 155 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: and you know what, it may have also instilled some 156 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: of the arguing that you two were having where you 157 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: got pushed to the point of a divorce. In this 158 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: current house, my son and I are the only two 159 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: to hear or experience this ghost we have now. We 160 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: heard knocking on the walls or something at night, and 161 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: once we heard it run stomping up the stairs. We 162 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: thought it was his sister, but he went upstairs to 163 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: find her to check, and when he came back downstairs, 164 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: his sister walked in from the backyard. That's a horrible feeling. 165 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: My son and I just froze and he was like 166 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: a w t H. My daughter asked what was going on. 167 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: We explained to her, and she thought we were pranking her. 168 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: I went upstairs with a kitchen knife just to check 169 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: make sure there wasn't some crazy person up there right 170 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: after that. It was creepy, But I don't think it's related. 171 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: What do you think? There are also many orbs on 172 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: security cameras over here, and both inside and outside. They 173 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: just go through the walls and floors and ceiling. They 174 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: don't care. Some are slow and some are casual, and 175 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: some are fast, and they are way too fast to 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: be bugs or birds. It's really crazy here, Destiny. Well, Destiny, 177 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to write me. Um. Yeah, 178 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: it could actually be related. So shadow person absent of light. 179 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: You totally described it to a t um, but I 180 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: think it may be hat Man. People will kind of say, oh, 181 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: that's a shadow person. It's a shadow being of a 182 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 1: sort when he's in a certain form, but he can 183 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: step out of that shadow like form and become absolutely solid. 184 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: And he also infiltrates people's during and causes nightmares, night terrors, 185 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: and he loves to go after children. He likes to 186 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: groom them. He grooms people, and you talk about this 187 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: calming effect. I always connect shadow people and hat man 188 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: to the alien phenomenon, and they will often put people 189 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: into this relax state, so you do not resist, you 190 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: do not fight, and you don't have your flight or 191 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: fight type of mentality going on. So they like to 192 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: subdue people and they want you to get comfortable to 193 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: their presence and then they go on the onslaught for 194 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: the person that they're really after, or they may have 195 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: actually go after you too. So it's a strange thing, um, 196 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: and it's sad what really happens with all of it. 197 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: You asked if it could be related to what you 198 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: had going prior to what you suspect as a ghost now, 199 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: and I think there's a high probability that that is 200 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: what is going on. It's no absolute guarantee, but shadow 201 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: people or hat Man, they can make noises, they can 202 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: cause problems so and they do tend to follow people, 203 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: so this is something that could be absolutely what is 204 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: going on. I always suggest just to be sure, bless 205 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: your space, clean it out, don't tolerate it because it's 206 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: obviously making you feel uneasy now, and that's not a 207 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: positive thing, So clean it out and take care of it. 208 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: You know what this next guest that is going to 209 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: be coming on, I am truly amazed by his uh 210 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: wealth of work. Dr Michael Grosso would be joining us 211 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: here after the break. 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Just before the break, 253 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: I mentioned my awesome guest, who is Dr Michael Grosso. 254 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: He is an independent scholar and part of our ever 255 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: growing group of scholars and thinkers critical of the prevailing 256 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: materialistic view of the world. His taught humanities and philosophy 257 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: at Marymount Manhattan College, City University of New York, and 258 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: City University of New Jersey. His newest book is Smile 259 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: of the Universe Miracles at an Age of Disbelief. Welcome 260 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: to the show, Dr Grosso. I have to say that 261 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: I find the title of your book to be very 262 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: appropriate for the times. How would you describe what your 263 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: book is based on? Well, yeah, and I use the 264 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: word miracle because it suggests something strong and astonishing. But 265 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: the type of miracles that I'm interested in can be 266 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: defined scientifically in the sense that by a miracle, I 267 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: mean something that is astonishing, and amazing perhaps, but also 268 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: uh inexplicable in terms of modern science, or to be 269 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: even more specific, it's extra physical. There are no physical 270 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: explanations right now of telepathy, of levitation, of instantaneous healings 271 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff that I talked about in 272 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: my book, and whether it's coming or where it's coming 273 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: from is still a mystery. Religious folk tend to believe 274 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: that it's God, and I'm not arguing against that. I 275 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: don't know how to explain these phenomena. I just want 276 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: to remind people, all people that we have those amazing 277 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: potentials as human beings within us. We don't quite know 278 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: how to liberate them. And I touch on that in 279 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: the book. There are various ways we can sort of 280 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: set ourselves up and be ready or be poised to uh, 281 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: let's say, uh have or encounter a miraculous, extremely extraordinary situation, 282 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: so that that that's the basic sense of However, I 283 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: do like the word miracles because some of the most 284 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: spectacular and astonishing phenomena that I write about do occur 285 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: in a religious context, but not all the time. I 286 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: levitated somebody once in a classroom setting. I didn't do 287 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: it personally, but in an experiment that was really as 288 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: amazing as any you know, saint rising up in the air. 289 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: So and we were not saints. We were just an 290 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: ordinary class of students with an extra teacher, by the way, 291 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: who was also a witness. So you know, I want 292 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: to emphasize that fact. This is not a preachment but 293 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: a discussion uh designed to open all of us to 294 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: our inner, profound inner potentials that we're just beginning to 295 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: learn how to uh liberate and uh and even acknowledge. 296 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: Fascinating when you say that these things called miracles happen 297 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot uh in connection to those who are religious. 298 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: Do you think that might be because we are able 299 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: to look outside of ourselves and and have this element 300 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: of no doubts we're we're manifesting things in conjunction with 301 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: this outer belief. Well, yes, I think for for many people, 302 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: um who do have a religious sense uh and believe 303 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: and are open to the potential for some kind of 304 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: intervention from outside of themselves, wherever it's coming from God, 305 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: your guardian angel, or from your deep creative unconscious, it helps. 306 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: Whereas if you have the sort of person who's the 307 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: cynical and reductionistic and totally anti religious and anti then 308 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: very notion of miracle. The likelihood is that psychologically you're 309 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: not going to be hip to the possibility of having 310 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: an extraordinary experience that we tend to call miracles. But 311 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: even that I'm not sure of, because I've heard of 312 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: people having experiences that it made them religious, but before 313 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: there wasn't a religious bone in their bodies. So but 314 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: again that's a question I leave for the persons who's 315 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: having the experience. My business is to confront the facts 316 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: as far as I can encounter them, and if they 317 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: and make sure that they are facts and not just 318 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: exaggerations or misunderstandings. Fascinating, and you were able to levitate 319 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: someone in front of witnesses, and when you're speaking of 320 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: levitation automatically, I thought of magicians and the tricks that 321 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: they're able to do. And it's like, so, how do 322 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: we distinguish and know for certain something is a miracle 323 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: through science? Through testing? I mean, well, in the experience 324 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: that I that I cite, we don't need anybody to 325 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: tell us what we saw with our own eyes. We assembled, 326 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: we picked out and there was a special class where 327 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: we were studying this type of phenomenon, and I didn't 328 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: expect anything to happen, but we picked up very heavy 329 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: guys about two hundred pounds. Satam in the middle of 330 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: the classroom, and four young ladies touched him, each of 331 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: them with two fingers under his legs and under his knees, 332 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: and after chanting and breathing together for a few moments, 333 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I said lifting. Honestly, I never expected anything to happen, 334 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: but they just stretched their arms. They didn't make any effort, 335 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: there was no physical effort. But he went up in 336 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: the air at the at the mere touch of their 337 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: of their fingers. I can still remember his utterly astonished face. 338 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: And then he came down gently, contrary to what should 339 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: have happened given his weight and the law of gravity. 340 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't need anybody to convince me or to validate 341 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: what I saw, nor do any of the people who 342 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: witnessed this phenomena phenomenon. Now, it's nice if you have 343 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: scientists who collect lots of cases and examples of this 344 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: sort of thing, analyze them, make sure that they're on 345 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: the up and up, and sure. In that sense, lines 346 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: can become a source of information. But in terms of 347 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: everyday life, when people spontaneously encounter extraordinary phenomena. Uh, they 348 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: can be misled sometimes or deluded. I will not deny that, 349 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: but UH, countless examples uh exists in which that is 350 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: not so, And it's certainly not so for me. I'm 351 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: not easily convinced against my own judgment. I know. I mean, 352 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: it's not that I'm not skeptical. I am skeptical, but 353 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: when it's appropriate. But when I see something that's overwhelming 354 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: and a bunch of other people have seen it, that 355 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: that is enough. Uh. And on the other hand, yes, 356 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: you can read books. You can read my book, and 357 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: you'll get a more accurate and convincing account of these phenomena, 358 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: because I'm not going to write a book about stuff 359 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: that's doubtful or anybody can just dismiss I would my time. 360 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: I want to convince people of the reality of these phenomenon. 361 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: I like this notion because often times I've come across 362 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: skeptics of say UFOs, and they would say, well, you're 363 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: not Uh how can I say you're You're not certified 364 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: or or or educated enough to look at the sky 365 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: and to say what it is that you're seeing. And 366 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: it's like, are you kidding? Me. I can trust my 367 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: own eyeballs to get me to work every day, but 368 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm not to trust what's in the sky. So I 369 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: like this subjective nature, because how does a miracle become 370 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: just It's because of witnesses, and it's because of our 371 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: own notion of this is extraordinary. And to trust that 372 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: is that. That's what I'm hearing from you exactly. You've 373 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: got it perfectly. And then again, I don't mean to 374 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: just miss science. There is science on this I am. 375 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: I have friends who devote their lives uh to studying 376 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: these things as closely and as carefully as possible. The 377 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: unfortunate situation. As I'm sure you're aware, our culture, the 378 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: main line culture, is steeped in a certain kind of 379 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: science which is quite marvelous in its own way, but 380 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: which tends to neglect, almost consistently and almost on principle, 381 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: any extraordinary phenomena that they can't explain because what so 382 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: called what I'm calling miracles usually have no physical explanation. 383 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: There is no physical explanation of how we were we 384 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: levitated that student on that day, uh, some some years 385 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: ago in a classroom. Uh. We have no scientific explanation 386 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: for how people can be instantaneously healed while standing in 387 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: front of a statue of the Virgin Mary and saying 388 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: a prayer, mean that kind of thing. It just it 389 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: seems incredible. But when you look at all of the evidence, 390 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: you have to conclud lude if you're a rational person 391 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: and an open minded person, that these things occur. Indeed, 392 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: and uh, I think, uh, we're onto something because it 393 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to human potential versus God. I think 394 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: there's a combination of things going on here um and 395 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: what we're capable of doing and God given gifts. Yes, 396 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: you know. And and there's another element here which you've 397 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: almost touched on what you just said, and that is 398 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: that in talking about the psychological variables that uh make 399 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: so called miracles one shape or former or another, a 400 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: car does imply some kind of belief, some kind of 401 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: confidence that is going to happen. It could be God, 402 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: it could be a guardian angel, it could be or 403 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: subconscious or whatever it is. But there needs to be 404 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: some powerful expectation and leaves not all the time, mind you. Honestly, 405 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: there's there are a few things that you can say 406 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: with absolute certainty about the realm of these extraordinary phenomena. 407 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: That we're discussing, because there are exceptions to almost anything 408 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: you might say, but there are some basic tendencies, and 409 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: one of them is what I just mentioned. You've got 410 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: to be in some sense tuned into the possibility, open, trusting, hoping, 411 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: perhaps expecting, uh, but not necessarily uh and uh. So yes, 412 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: there's there are variables, and there are circumstances that tends 413 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: to allow these things to happen more readily. Absolutely, there 414 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: is that element of having no doubts and that element 415 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: of faith which kind of goes hand in hand. We're 416 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: gonna get to our deck break you guys. You are 417 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 418 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 419 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: Podcast Network, and we will be right back with Dr 420 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: Michael Grosso. Stick around, hey, folks. 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That's Coast to Coast 459 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: a M dot com. You are listening to Dark Becomes 460 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 461 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. Today, I 462 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: have Dr Michael Grosso and he's written a fascinating book 463 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: on the topic of miracles called Smile of the Universe. 464 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: Dr Grosso, can you tell us a little bit about 465 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: some of the miracles that you have come across. Well, 466 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: I'll begin very briefly to mention levitation, I already mentioned 467 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,479 Speaker 1: my own experience, and that's what got me interested in 468 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: doing research. So I decided to research the most famous levitator, 469 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: which is in a seventeenth century just as the scientific 470 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: revolution was breaking out in the seventeenth century Italy. Saint 471 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Joseph of Copertino is probably the most famous figure in 472 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: his Annals of sainthood for his levitations for thirty five 473 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: years as long as he was a priest, he was 474 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: continuously manifesting that strange ability, and it, of course uh 475 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: in front of countless people, so there was no doubt 476 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: about the reality of that. And one of the interesting 477 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: things I might say about the levitation among the mystics 478 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: and the saints, and the and the shamans and the mediums, 479 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: because you find this in all types of individuals. But 480 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: the key psychological variable that I think the listeners might 481 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: be intrigued to know is the state of ecstasy. When 482 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: you are in a state of ecstasy and a us 483 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: most of us are not too busy living and working 484 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: and struggling, but for the the inspired person who gets 485 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: lost or loses his or her sense of identity. Uh 486 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: St Teresa Ravila is another famous, so wonderful mystic and levitator. 487 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: But it seems that, and this is worth lingering on 488 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: for a split second, that in that state of ecstasy, 489 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: which means, you know, eck stasis, meaning outside of yourself, 490 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: when you're so into something that you're outside of your 491 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: ordinary self, your psyche is, so to speak, devoid of distractions, 492 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: and you've created an effect through an ecstatic state of mind, 493 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: a momentary openness, a kind of vacuum in your psyche 494 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: that allows for these latent powers to manifest themselves. So 495 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: that that's one thing, And of course this is totally 496 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: shocking to modern science for which we know gravitation is 497 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: one of, if not the most basic force that holds 498 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: the universe together. And the fact that occasionally, to small 499 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: degrees and for brief periods of time, human beings in 500 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: a certain state of mind can transcend or temporarily it 501 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: doesn't destroy or violate gravity, it puts it in abeyance temporarily. 502 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, especially when you need to have that. 503 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: For example, I've interviewed people. One guy that fell off 504 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: a boat, off a motor boat, and if he had 505 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: kept going down, he would have got caught up in 506 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: the motor or something and been killed, but he slowed 507 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: up inadvertently. He didn't know what was happening, and the 508 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: people on the boat that watched him fall observed him 509 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: that they somehow gravity stopped and gave him just enough 510 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: time to grab on to a rope to save himself 511 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: from death. So sometimes it happens like that, but more 512 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: often it happens when a person is in a state 513 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: of ecstasy, prayer, or in someone like Joseph would just 514 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: get carried away by the side of a beautiful sky. 515 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: And I mean, there are examples of this that I've 516 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: written about in the book, and you can see the 517 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: details of it, just walking along and undergoing a state 518 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: of ecstatic transformation and rising into the into the into 519 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the air, so and so that that's one example, and 520 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: it's a real challenge to science try to understand what's 521 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: going on. But I'm also very interested, if I may uh, 522 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: in the healings that that we have now healings. We 523 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: have extraordinary healings in in everyday life, and a lot 524 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: of people don't realize that the placebo effect, which we're 525 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: all familiar with. We take a medicine the doctor gives 526 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: us a medicine. It's not a real medicine. It's just 527 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: a maybe a sugar tablet designed to induce us to 528 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: believe that we're going to be healed. We know from 529 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: innumerable studies that this frequently works. So, for example, UH 530 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: most depression UH medicines work almost where I should say 531 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: the placebo effect is just a small degree UH less 532 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: effective than taking the actual UH pills that are designed 533 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: for for depression. And then there are extraordinary cases on record. 534 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: But there's one in particularly talked about in my book 535 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: about a Mr. Wright who are absolutely believed that a 536 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: that some new thing he had heard I was going 537 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: to cure him of his cancer. It was called crebias 538 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 1: and is back in the nineteen fifties. Is all written 539 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: up by the way in the literature. And it turned 540 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: out that cribiasin was a horse serum that had no 541 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: value whatsoever in terms of healing. But this man absolutely 542 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: believed in it, and he was almost instantaneously healed of 543 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: his cancer. He went around and went back to life, 544 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: he went flying, He was a happy dude, in perfect 545 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: health until he got the news that this UH substance 546 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: was worthless as a healer, and so his beliefs changed 547 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: and the cancer came back. Now the other detail of 548 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: the story, I'll say, very quickly, the doctors figured this 549 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: out and said, look, I'm gonna give you the real 550 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: uh dose. I gave you the wrong dose. So Mr 551 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: Wright still believed. He took it a second time again, 552 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: he was healed, and then months later he read an 553 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: article in New York Times that this is garbage, and 554 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: it came the cancer came back and he died immediately. 555 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: If that's not a miracle, I don't know what the 556 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: hell out what he did. And it took place just 557 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: through a in the context of somebody believing something very powerfully. 558 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: Uh So there are many other examples that we could discuss, 559 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: but on no time is short, No, it's it's fascinating 560 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: to me. It's kind of makes me think of that 561 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: saying God helps those who helps themselves, and it's like, 562 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: we have to believe in the miracle to have the miracle, 563 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: or have the faith to have the intervention, even you know, 564 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: for those of us who have faith. So it seems 565 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: that way. I mean, another very famous case, uh with 566 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: with the Marian vision uh at Pierre de Ruda, who 567 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: had been sick for eight years, and again I would 568 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: say this in about two seconds. Finally got to go 569 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: and to lords and stand before a statue of the 570 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: Madonna and beg to be healed so he could work 571 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: for his family and serve his family. And after eight years, 572 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: all kinds of doctors checked them out, but they couldn't 573 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: do anything for this guy. He was instantaneously healed. He 574 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 1: just dropped the crutches. All list would deeply UH documented 575 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: and it caused quite a controversy in France back in 576 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century because there are people that just they 577 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: want to believe this stuff was possible. And the books 578 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: have been written about this particular incident that I'm citing, 579 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: and I discussed it in my book. Also get a 580 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: shorter version of it in in my in my book 581 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: on Miracles. Fascinating it. It makes me wonder, though, what 582 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: what is that button to push? Yes, yes, yes, here's 583 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: my image high. It's just an image and intuition, the spirit, 584 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: the energy, the healing power pervades the entire UH, at 585 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: least will say, our human world. I don't know how 586 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: far out of the galaxies it goes. That's silly to 587 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: talk about that But the the assumption is that the 588 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: big mind, the greater mind to which our personal minds 589 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: are deeply connected at a deep level, it's there that mind, 590 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: that mind, with all its healing and marvelous potential, is 591 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: there all the time. And there is almost an endless 592 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: variety of circumstances that that may transpire that will open 593 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: us up to an influx from the to this creative, 594 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: this omnipresent creative energy that's so close to us, but 595 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: also so far because we're wrapped up in our ordinary 596 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: brains and bodies and minds. But somehow, when when those brains, 597 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: bodies and minds are in a certain state, a certain opening, 598 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: and we don't have a formula for how to make 599 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: this happen, then the creative phenomena take place. But if 600 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: anybody could figure it out, you know, some kind of 601 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: a rule that we could follow in definitely, you know, 602 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,919 Speaker 1: chapped into this extraordinary power, that person would be like 603 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: one of the saviors of mankind, humankind. Sorry, they're gonna 604 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: have it right. Mankind. By the way, man always was 605 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: always used in the past to imply men and women, 606 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: But that's uncool today to use that term. I get it. 607 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: So these other elements of miracles that you've come across, Uh, 608 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: bleeding statues and pain. How do you explain this? Though 609 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: this is outside of the human body, So how is 610 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: this happening? Wow? Again, if I could answer that question, 611 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: I would be uh, you know, uh, sailing on top 612 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: of the universe. But no, Uh, that not in the 613 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: nineties nineties. By the way, I just mentioned this, and 614 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: I cover this, that's in some detail in my book 615 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Reasons might be fascinated to know that there was an 616 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: epidemic of statues and paintings all over the world that 617 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: were uh experienced as a bleeding or weeping. And every 618 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: one of those stories is an interesting story. You can't 619 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: even I mean, I've read many of them, and many 620 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: of them are in quite quite detail. One of them 621 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty three, by the way, going back even earlier, Uh, 622 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 1: it had occurred in Italy to a woman whose husband 623 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: was a raving communist. So that's component kind of funny. 624 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: But uh, she was very ill and pregnant, and and 625 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: I an icon of the madonna, started to weep and 626 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: she was healed instantly. Uh, And again doctors came on 627 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: the scene. All of Italy knew about the whole world 628 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: was headlines all over the planet. Wow. I want to 629 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: thank Dr Michael Grosso for coming on the program. Absolutely 630 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: cool stuff. And remember you can get his book Smile 631 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: of the Universe, and you can also visit Consciousness Unbound 632 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: dot blogspot dot com and Painting the Psyche and wow, 633 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: just so much to read and so much to learn. 634 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: Dr Michael Grosso, thank you so very much. 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Now back to Heidi 669 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: and Dark Becomes Light on the I Heart Radio and 670 00:43:42,440 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back. 671 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,240 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 672 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 673 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast Network. The last two segments, I had 674 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: a fabulous guest, doctor Michael Grosso and his book Smile 675 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: of the Universe Miracles in an Age of Disbelief. I 676 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 1: can't even imagine a more appropriate book to be put 677 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: out during COVID times where people are getting sick, losing 678 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: their positions, losing their jobs, losing their homes. So much 679 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: is going on out there, and a lot of people 680 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: are like, Where's God, Where's God in all of this? 681 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: Apparently He's not going to pay attention or maybe we 682 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: deserve this or something. It's really sad and um I 683 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,360 Speaker 1: get it. You know, when we're in those moments of desperation, 684 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: losing our site, losing our hope, losing our faith. All 685 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: these things culminating during COVID time has had a lot 686 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 1: of people just lose it ultimately and reasonably. So I 687 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: get it, but I think some of this displaced anger 688 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,279 Speaker 1: is not helping the situation. I think, if anything, this 689 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: is a time to look for those miracles, pull your 690 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: faith together, because they are happening, and if we look 691 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: and pay attention hard enough, we're able to help our 692 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: neighbors do the same, our friends, our family to realize 693 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 1: that we really aren't left alone. And you know, I 694 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,240 Speaker 1: wanted to use this last segment to share about something 695 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: that I myself have experienced when it comes to the 696 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: topic of miracles. I wrote a book called Jesus Is 697 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: No Joke, a true story of an unlikely witness who 698 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: saw Jesus. People know me to speak on the shadow people, 699 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: hat man topic all the time, demons and the devil, 700 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: but I actually have more positive books out there, and 701 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,920 Speaker 1: this book I just mentioned, Jesus Is No Joke, is 702 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: uh actually my most highly regarded book out there. Uh. 703 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: So I wanted to share something in there because something 704 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: that Dr grol So mentioned truly struck like close to 705 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: the heart of something that I experienced. So I'm going 706 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: to go into a little bit of detail on what 707 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm speaking of here. So I had an encounter with Jesus. 708 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,480 Speaker 1: I had more than one. I know I've mentioned it 709 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: briefly here on these shows, but this one in particular 710 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: was really moving for me because it required something of me. 711 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: Dr grol So mentioned how there's this element of no 712 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: doubts or faith kin one and the same um when 713 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: it comes to reaching this level of ecstasy as well, 714 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: like just not being disturbed, totally focused and and honing 715 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: in on a miracle to happen. And then there's that 716 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: story in the Bible where a woman touched Jesus cloth 717 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: and knew she'd be healed if she did that, and 718 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 1: it's like Jesus spun around and said, hold on, who 719 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: touched me? You know? Um. So it was apparent that 720 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: some people's level of faith knowing if they just had 721 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 1: that chance for something, the miracle would take place. And 722 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: that's been repeated throughout history, repeated through the Bible and 723 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: other religious testimonies out there. So I wanted to share 724 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,439 Speaker 1: one of mine because it's something that really took me, 725 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: a meeting of minds and heart um with the miracle 726 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: that was already given to me. So I'll tell you 727 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: I had a pretty horrible uh, disorder when I was 728 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: in college, and it's something that I had for twelve years, 729 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: twelve years absolutely confirmed diagnosed, and it was just a 730 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: chronic condition. It was one of those things that I 731 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: was just going to have to learn to live with, 732 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, this is a horrible way 733 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 1: to have to live. And so on one of the 734 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: occasions that I had an encounter with Jesus, I didn't 735 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:35,879 Speaker 1: actually see him physically. Okay. I saw a bright light 736 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,840 Speaker 1: in my bedroom and I'm propped myself up on my elbows. 737 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's this bright light doing in in my room? 738 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: And when I I looked down at the foot of 739 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: my bed, there was this ray of light much like sunshine, 740 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: hitting my feet, and I've got my elbows, you know, 741 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm leaning forward and don't like what and I could 742 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: feel that presence. I just recognized it to be him Jesus. 743 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,480 Speaker 1: I felt it because I'd met him before and I 744 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: totally recognized it. And I always tell people I could 745 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,840 Speaker 1: be blind and see it's him, and this time I 746 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,960 Speaker 1: didn't see him physically, but I totally saw the light 747 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: and felt him. Okay, so this light is hitting my 748 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,080 Speaker 1: feet and parts of the light are starting to break 749 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: off and spread and going up my legs under the 750 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: blankets and start circling in my stomach. And when I 751 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: hit my stomach, it was very much like being in 752 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: a hammock, hanging out in a hammock, and a great 753 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: wind came and just flump. All of a sudden, I'm 754 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,840 Speaker 1: upside down looking at my body because the love levels 755 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: that hit me, we're so immense that it pushed me 756 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: out of my body. It's hard to express that level 757 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: of love tickles. It was just so perfect and joyous 758 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: and there truly are just no words, There really are 759 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:19,280 Speaker 1: no words. And so I'm watching as this light has 760 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: penetrated my stomach, and I'm like looking around and like, 761 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: I don't see him, but I can feel him. Where 762 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 1: is he? You know? And I'm watching the light totally 763 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: dissolve and go into my stomach and and I'm like, well, 764 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: but what is he doing? And then I thought is 765 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: he healing me? And I don't know what made me think, no, 766 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,879 Speaker 1: he wouldn't do that for me. That self doubt, right, 767 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: that's self doubt. I can't have doubts, and surely not 768 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 1: in the presence of him. And the moment I thought 769 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,960 Speaker 1: that boom, I go back into my body. The light 770 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: cut off at my feet, and I brought myself back 771 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: up onto my elbows, and I'm looking and I'm watching 772 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: the light sink into my stomach and and the joy 773 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,240 Speaker 1: start to go away. I'm like, and I'm looking around, 774 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: like where do you go? Where do you go? Where 775 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,319 Speaker 1: do you go? And I'm like, well, what did that mean? 776 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,880 Speaker 1: It didn't make any sense to me, just absolutely didn't 777 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 1: make any sense to me. I'm like, well, he didn't 778 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: show himself physically, he didn't speak, this time, light in 779 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520 Speaker 1: these coming into my stomach like it was just it 780 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: was so puzzling to me. So I had to get 781 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: a check up to see how far along this horrible 782 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: disorder was that I had and go to my doctor 783 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: and my doctor's like, huh, we can't find the disease. 784 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: But what do you mean you can't find a disease. Um, 785 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know what to tell you. It's gone, 786 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,160 Speaker 1: and mind you, I was still very sick, feeling very ill, 787 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,799 Speaker 1: and it's gone. And he's like, yeah, I don't know 788 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: what to tell you know, biopsies and all, it's like 789 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,719 Speaker 1: everything is it's okay now. So I just kind of, 790 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was like in a state of shock, 791 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: and I was thinking of things like what what, what 792 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,240 Speaker 1: could have happened? How could this have happened? And then 793 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: I had one of my UFO Paranormal Discussion group meetings 794 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: and there was a lady who was obviously very ill. 795 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: She came in her wheelchair and she goes to my 796 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: meeting and she says to the group, yeah, so anyways, 797 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: I want to be healed. I have tried miracle healers 798 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: and all these different people and different potions and stuff, 799 00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: and I hear that the aliens can heal me. So 800 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: I'm here to figure out how I can get aliens 801 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: to heal me. And someone in my group unexpectedly said, well, sweetheart, 802 00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: only Jesus heals. And she's like, I've already tried that 803 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: type of thing, and and I'm quiet. I'm like and 804 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,360 Speaker 1: I say quietly, and I'm like, guys, I think Jesus 805 00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,320 Speaker 1: healed me. Everybody like turning a look, it's like, what 806 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: what did you say? I said, I think Jesus healed me. 807 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: And do you know, mind you I was sick as 808 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,800 Speaker 1: a dog still up to this moment, though my doctor 809 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: had already told me that we can't find the disorder anymore. 810 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:39,439 Speaker 1: It's gone. Um the second that I said it, all 811 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:47,520 Speaker 1: of my symptoms disappeared. So it took a matter of 812 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: me confirming what he had already done. It took me 813 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: to believe it was done, that that was what was 814 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: behind his coming to me. And I hold that dear 815 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: to me because you know, that's saying God helps those 816 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,239 Speaker 1: who help themselves and also when it comes to believing 817 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: in faith. And and I doubted him second I doubted him. Boom, 818 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: he's gone. But he'd already done it. I just needed 819 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: to say the words. See how powerful words are and 820 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: our intentions, our thoughts, all of it. So I wanted 821 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 1: to share that here with you, especially after a wonderful 822 00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: interview like with Dr Michael grow So. So miracles happen 823 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: even in these types of times, and we can always 824 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: hold your to that now and depend on that. Again. 825 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,760 Speaker 1: I want to remind you guys, go to my site 826 00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,879 Speaker 1: shadow folks at dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com. 827 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: Send me anything that you've experienced out of the ordinary 828 00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,080 Speaker 1: that you'd like to share or get insight on, or 829 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: even your research if you want to be a guest 830 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,120 Speaker 1: on this program. You are more than welcome, and as 831 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 1: much detail as you want to put into it, the better, 832 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: all right, because this is what it's all about. We 833 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: build each other up in this lifetime, I always say, 834 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: and it's always fascinating where we end up, Isn't it wonderful? 835 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: You guys stay safe out there. I know it's a 836 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: harsh time for all of us. It's difficult to be 837 00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 1: in the world today, but we can't lose faith now 838 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,759 Speaker 1: because the shadow people, hat man, all these negative things 839 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,120 Speaker 1: are placing their bets on us to not figure them out. 840 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,799 Speaker 1: They are just going rampant. But I got the down 841 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: low on them and I'm willing to share, and I'm 842 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: gonna keep on doing that, all right, You guys, you 843 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 1: have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 844 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 845 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast network, and we will catch you next time. 846 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:19,640 Speaker 1: Be safe, God bless catch you next time. Good night, everybody. 847 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:24,799 Speaker 1: H Well, if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, 848 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,760 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. You've been listening 849 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,920 Speaker 1: to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast A 850 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 1: m Paranormal Podcast Network m