1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode three. This week marks three 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner isn't a 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Rock War veteran husband, a father. His wife told us 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: she dropped them off at a clickstup in Cobb County 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: where he worked. His family says he was last seen 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: at their friend's house in Kennasov three years ago on 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: March and it's like he vanished from that home, not 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: to be seen or heard from again. If he was 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: able to reach out to any one of us, he would, 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: he would. Despite some intense searching, few clues have been found. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: She tells me that as a mother, in her heart 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: she feels her son Chase. We had absolutely no answer, 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: so not even the slightest clue and yours. We're back 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: at square one, Stephanie, because we have to talk to Brad. 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: That's the missing link here. Now we know he has 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: refused to polygraph and then stated again he will take 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: a polygraph. I'm going looking for him. Okay, okay. Art 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: with nothing but my iPhone and I am going to 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: find him and I'm gonna ask him what happened. I'm 23 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna see what story he's gonna tell me, and we'll 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: take it from there. But I want to note from you, 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: as we sit here together right now, what are your thoughts? 26 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: I just want another truth. I want to know what 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is still alive? Now? 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Are you saying that with your heart and your head? 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: Or yes? I don't believe he's alife. Can you think 30 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: of a reason that anyone would have wanted him dead? 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: Not a single reason. Well, we looked and we looked, 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: and we searched, and we found the wild card, as 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: I like to call him, Brad Clemens. We found him. 34 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I beat on his door, he opened the door, and 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: he let me in. I want you to hear what 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: he said when I questioned him, grilling him over an 37 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: hour and a half about the disappearance of Chase Masner 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: before I go to that. Thank you crime con for 39 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: sponsoring our podcast today in our search for irocky Vett, 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: husband and father of two little girls, Chase Masner. Crime 41 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: con All, crime sleuth and crime Busters are converging professional 42 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: and amateur in Indianapolis. June nine through June eleven, Allen 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: and I will be podcasting live. We hope you join us. 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Go to crime Con dot com and use code Nancy 45 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: for twenty off. I'm going. I'm gonna be there for 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: the podcasts and to see all of you, and I 47 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: surely hope you join us. Thank you crime Con for today. 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: And now let's hear what the wild card Brad Clements 49 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: has to say. Listen, I'm trying to figure out, especially 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: after I met Chase's another yesterday that about broke my heart. 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's been all this time. She still doesn't 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: even know what happened. She thinks Chase is dead. Do 53 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: you think he's dead? I don't know. I mean I 54 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: hope that he's not, but really I I don't know. 55 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Like I I've you know, I've wondered about it. And 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: you know the last time when I was with him, 57 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: like I hardly knew them, really, like I met him 58 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: maybe three or four times. I thought, you've been over 59 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: to their house. No, I've been over to their house 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: like after all this happened, Like I went over there 61 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: put together a ping pong table or a pool table 62 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: or something. No. Never, that was the only time I've 63 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: gone over to their house is when um, what's her name, Amanda? 64 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: Amanda called and asked me to come over there and 65 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: like talked to her, and I wentever there with my dog, like, 66 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, talk to her about all this, and like 67 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of kind of odd me being over there, 68 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: and because you only need her three chies, right, and 69 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: I never really you know, talked to just her, and 70 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: it was, you know, I kept hearing all these you know, 71 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: mixed things. You know, Well, this is later, I guess, 72 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: like about her and like his friends and stuff when 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: he made her and his friends. I don't sound throw 74 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: her under the bus or anything, but I mean it's 75 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: just you know, I don't are you saying that she's 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: up around? I mean that's kind of the world. That's 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: kind of what I thought when I was when I 78 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: went over there to see her like that, she you know, 79 00:04:54,200 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: wanted like, I don't know, it's just oh yeah, I 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: mean like she was like, well, she she called me 81 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: up and was like, hey, can you bring me some 82 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: pop to like smoke some pot? Do you want to 83 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: smoke some pop me? And I was like, at this 84 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: point in my life, I wasn't smoking, and I was like, 85 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: I think I have like a grinder that you could 86 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: scrape and she was like, yeah, I bring it over here, 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, should take it out of 88 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: a grind and there was like, you know, the resin 89 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: stuff that you could like scrape and because apparently they 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: smoked like a lot, because you know, the whole thing 91 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: where um she called up what's like her mother or 92 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: someone to help him clean up something in the house, 93 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: like they were growing pop plants. You know, they had 94 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of pop plants they were growing in the 95 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: house and that's why she was like, hey, I needed 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: to come over here and how to clean this up 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: because they were cleaning out all the pop plants for 98 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: like cops came over there. So that was like a 99 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: big thing with that. But um, that could be part 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: of the reason she doesn't want to talk anymore because 101 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be dragged in some way. Yeah, 102 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: they she was really like, you know, you know, just 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: I guess worried about and uh, it's not even not 104 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: big of a deal. It's like people grow pop plains 105 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: all the time in the backyard, you know, especially here 106 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: in the South. But yes, I don't know about that. 107 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: But okay, I'll just take your word forward. Let's pause 108 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: for just one moment. I want to clear this is 109 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: Brad's story. We Crime Online have reached out repeatedly to 110 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: Chase his wife to give her the chance to respond 111 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: to these allegations, and we are still waiting. Meanwhile, we 112 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: don't have evidence that she has used pod or any 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: other drug or any other type of behavior that Brad 114 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: is talking about. This is his explanation of how he 115 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: is not involved in the disappearance of Chase Masterer. Now 116 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: I look forward to the day that I get to 117 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: speak to Amanda. This is Brad's story, So take it 118 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: with a box of salt, and you be the judge. 119 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: Now that I want to get to so, I mean, see, 120 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I the thing is, like I hardly knew them, Like 121 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: they were good friends. So some of my good friends 122 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: with my friend Alan who lived in the house with me, 123 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: and and like I had to get I had to 124 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: make him leave because he wouldn't paid me rent. And 125 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: you know he I also caught him like cross dressing 126 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: and he thought I was gonna tell all you know, 127 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: all our friends that he was like dressing up like 128 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: a girl and stuff. And so he told um Amanda 129 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: in them that I like shot shot Heroin into Chase 130 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: and killed him and put this all in their head 131 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: just just to get me in trouble. Why would you 132 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: use up here went on somebody else, in fact, somebody 133 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: that I don't even know, you know, I mean, why 134 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: would you do something where there's that That's another thing. 135 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: It's like, I just don't know. Why would you take 136 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: somebody that you hardly know and then get them high 137 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: with heroin? Where you know people over us all the time, 138 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: and it's like, what what do you think Chase was on? 139 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I don't really think it was on much other than 140 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Pott and alcohol that night. I mean, that's good. I'm 141 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: glad to hear that. Yeah, I mean, you know, he 142 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: was trying to get more, like and I gave him 143 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: some cash, like he was trying to get for thirty 144 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: MILLI Graham roxy pills, the that was what everybody was taking. 145 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 1: Alan was giving him those sometimes because Alan would take those. 146 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: And so he assumed that I could get him because 147 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: Alan could get him, and you know, I I brought 148 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: him and you know, I was in a motorcycle wreck 149 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: and I was on those at one point, and you know, 150 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: so I took him to like that's one of the 151 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: mannors that picked him up, just to kind of talk 152 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: to him that night and be like, you know, dude, 153 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: you don't want that ship. Like I was in a 154 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: motorcycle wreck. Man, coming off of those pills is terrible, 155 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, And I figured I could just 156 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, hang out with him. And you know, if 157 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: you didn't really know him that well, why did you 158 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: let him come to your place? I mean because he'd 159 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: been over there before, Like I mean, he worked at 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: a quick trip right down the street from my house. 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: So so what do you think Just take me through 162 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: what happened that when he gets missing. I mean, it's 163 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: really not that much Like it's like everybody says, I 164 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: like change my story and all this stuff, But it's 165 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that, you know, 166 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase. 167 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran a bunch of 168 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: errands what I was doing, you know most of time 169 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: when I was fixing up my house, Like he was 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: there that night and then you know, basically left sometime 171 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: between when I was coming back from the store to 172 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: when I started cooking, like I mean, he had to 173 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: act like I mean that that's the only logical thing. 174 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: So you go on. I think it was March the 175 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: Ish to pick him up at quick Trip and it 176 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: was at night around Okay, all right, you pick him 177 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: up and bring him to your place directly or do 178 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: you I'll drive around. It was good. I mean it 179 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: was right down the street. Okay, so you didn't drive 180 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: around to hit to score and nothing like that. You 181 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: got to try. So you go home. What does he do? 182 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we just sit there and start talking. We're 183 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: actually I had a bunch of stuff that I was 184 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: building a computer with, so I had him help me 185 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: carry a bunch of stuff in and then I are 186 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: of building the computer that I was actually not this one, 187 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: but a different one, and I had you know, we 188 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: just sit there and kind of just talked because we 189 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: had talked, you know, two or three nights ago about 190 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: the same thing too, what about him and amand of 191 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: fighting and all this stuff they find about. I mean 192 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: it was like money and stuff like that because she 193 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: wasn't working, and uh, you know, he didn't really talk 194 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: too much about it, but I just told him, you know, 195 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: that you know, he was a lucky guy and you 196 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: know it's got two beautiful kids, a beautiful wife. Like 197 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it's okay. What most people want, 198 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, in life is to be you know, fulfilled 199 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: with with those two things. And you know how much 200 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: you know, was he not happy with that? Was it 201 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: money problems? Dope? What was it? I think it was 202 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: more or less money problems? I mean, because you know, 203 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: like I said, I just I really didn't know him 204 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: that that well, like and I mean it was this 205 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: was so longer than we actually talked about this, you know, 206 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: and it was mainly me talking, you know, other than him. 207 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: You know, he's saying there listening, and you know he 208 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: said that he was like telling him many he was 209 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: going to run off and like sleep in the woods 210 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. But yeah, you didn't hear that. No, Yeah, 211 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: that's that's been another big thing, like go off and 212 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: sleep in the woods. And why I wonder if he 213 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: tried to do that and died. I mean I figured 214 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: I would to find found him then, like what just 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: let me just go off and sleep in the woods, Okay, 216 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: go ahead, And the story has been that he would 217 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: do that when they were fighting, he would say, I 218 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: just want to commit to a side, and so they 219 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: were fighting during it time, so reportedly he made one 220 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: of those threats and he was saying, Hey, I just 221 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: want to like go off in the woods and get lost. 222 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Did you hear him say that? Yeah, he said it, 223 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times. And I was like, 224 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: I wascids and you know, because he wants to get 225 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: sleep in the woods. Yeah exactly. And I mean, you know, 226 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: and it's like so that y'all said late talking about 227 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: Amanda and you're working on the computer, Okay, then what happens? 228 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he pretty much just you know, I think 229 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: he'd been up for a couple of days, like tired, 230 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: Like I mean, you could tell he was barely hanging 231 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: on and I just passed out on my bed and 232 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: like I just continued to kind of, you know, work 233 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: on stuff, and you know, it was gosh, I think 234 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: you know, the roofers got there like six am or something. 235 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: They always do that and started really early, and you know, 236 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: so I was just you know, continuing to get on 237 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: with stuff from my my day, and you know, I 238 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: thought it would be a good idea that uh I 239 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: have you know, a man come over and just kind 240 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: of have like a cookout thing because you know, I 241 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: knew Brandon and the him and the roofers, and like 242 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: I like to cook and stuff, and I know it's 243 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of odd to have a cookout, but like it was, 244 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, it was, Yeah, it was something you know, 245 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: let me ask you. I felt like I did a 246 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: man to tell you earlier that day she had to 247 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: be at some kind of an appointment for her children. No, 248 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: because that's what they're saying now, there was an appointment 249 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: that they told you. She told you earlier that day 250 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: that she had to be at some appointment either with 251 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: or for her children and could not come over. Mm. No, 252 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's she just said that she couldn't come over, 253 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: and after a while I guess, um, but you know, 254 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: I don't ever remember telling me that that day, Like okay, 255 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: So anyway, she didn't come over. No, you tried to 256 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: get him to call him and and advite her over 257 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: to kind of like make the pace. Did he do it? No? 258 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: Not that I know of. And I mean that's why 259 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: I tried to talk to her on his phone because 260 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have her number, and that's why I had 261 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: his phone in the first place was to call her 262 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: and ask her, mainly if you needed to be at 263 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: work that day, because I didn't know, and he, you know, 264 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: had to be work at nights most of the time. 265 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: So and then what happened. And then I kind of 266 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: just went on my day, like I mean, I just 267 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: went and did you know stuff I normally do. I 268 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: went to lowse Um. I had to drop a laptop 269 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: off that i'd fix for somebody. What did you need 270 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: it lose? I mean I was fixing my house up. 271 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: So I can't tell you exactly what it was. I mean, 272 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: just so you gotta lose. You got to the grocery 273 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: store first. I went to go to off this laptop 274 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: off that was down um off of Um. Gosh. It's 275 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: my friend Rickey's house, which was like downtown pretty much. 276 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: He's ever you're doing about your day, You're doing your 277 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: thing and um, you type the computer to Ricky he lives. 278 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: He lives um pretty much downtown, I mean downtown Atlanta. 279 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: And you were all the way up here in Cannes, 280 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: saw and I told him to come with me. That's 281 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: forty minutes. And for forty minutes at least, it's probably 282 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: more like three hours or something like that. Yeah, by 283 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: the time you get get there forty minutes in their 284 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: thirty minutes back forty minutes at best. Okay, So you 285 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: leave him where she was upstairs just I mean the 286 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: next point, I mean, yeah, he was just asleep because 287 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, this is probably like eight o'clock, you know, 288 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: m Yeah, alright, so for like five hours, probably not 289 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: even maybe four, I'd say four five. I want I 290 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: always say nothing good happens after midnight. I mean, you 291 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: always get an arguments and everything goes sideways at minight. 292 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: Y okay. So yeah, because I don't want to get 293 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: any I don't want to lose any of this because 294 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm piecing it all together and make a timeline. All right, 295 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: So you go at eight, nine, ten thirty, you get 296 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: back what's he doing sleeping? The same exact thing. Door open, closed, 297 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: doors open at this point because he's still in my room. Yeah, 298 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: and this is when I got him up. Um. And 299 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean I basically woke up and was like, yo, 300 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: come with me, come on, I'm gonna have a cookout, 301 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, call Amanda. And I dropped all the day 302 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: plans on it because I was like, man, I figured 303 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: he'd be up by now, you know, ready to go 304 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: and rolling, and got him up and then I, you know, 305 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: I got to put him in the other bedroom because 306 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: I was going to work on some stuff in my 307 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: room at this point, and because I had like a 308 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: four bedroom house, so yeah, kind of saw and it was, 309 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, you know, there's no point 310 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: let him sleep in my room. Continue when I got 311 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: crap I gotta do, and um, you know, I was 312 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, irritated at this point because 313 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, wanted to be up so 314 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: we can get stuff, kind of rolling, but you know, 315 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: he was you know, also you know, I had I 316 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: could tell he hadn't been sleeping for a couple of days, 317 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I had been fighting or whatnot. So 318 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: he went in the other bedroom. Door open, shut, door opened. 319 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: So later that day, you gave the roofers a tour 320 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: of your home. Let's see there, see, I didn't really 321 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: came a tour of my home because they've been there before. 322 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: They told many that you gave him a tour of 323 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: your home that they showed you showed me around your house. 324 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, but like that will probably at 325 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: like four o'clock or something, four or five o'clock. I mean, 326 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: I didn't really think that was day. Yeah, But so 327 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: you come back, you get back ten thirty eleven ish, 328 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: you move them from your bedroom to the other bedroom. 329 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: He crashes door open, and you do what I start 330 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: going and getting, you know, I have to, that's a 331 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: that point. I'd go a week day or week it's 332 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: a week day. Yeah, oh yeah, Amanda wasn't working, so 333 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: she could come out probably. I mean that's what I thought, 334 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think she'd do anything, take care 335 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: of the kids, like and uh, I kind of wanted to, 336 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, squash this, you know, fighting thing if it was, 337 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: but it was let's see a roomor I give Chase 338 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: sixty bucks too. I told I gave him sixty bucks 339 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: a night before. He asked me for a month, and uh, 340 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: I told him, you know, yeah, and I'll give you this. 341 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: But at sixty bucks he had in his pocket the 342 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: whole time. I'm pretty sure. I mean, I don't think 343 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: he left came back where I was, you know, gone 344 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: that I know of. You know, So you get back, 345 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: trying to wake him up. He goes in the other round. 346 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: Then you start doing what after that? That's at that 347 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: point I go to publics and Lows and that's when 348 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: um um I went and grabbed I forget what it was, 349 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: I need to grab it, uh lows, but um I 350 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: grab the list stuff to cook with a Publix and 351 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: that's when I came back basically started with the grill. 352 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: And it's probably you know, one two o'clock at this point. 353 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know, after I started to grill, I like 354 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: set the backyard, like I had a bunch of coals 355 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: that pretty much one some blew out of the yard 356 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: and like I mean, rufus Lily had to get off 357 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: the house because it was like so smoky from a 358 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: fire that I started them back. Yeah, and because there's 359 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: nobody behind me and Canna saw it was like all 360 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: woods back there. And uh, basically after that, that's when 361 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: I went and tried to, you know, get chased something like, man, 362 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: did you see the fire in the backyard because the 363 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: bet room he was in was directly by the back 364 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: you mean, you could see that fire like you know, 365 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: playing his day, you know, and that's when I realized 366 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: he wasn't there anymore. And what time was that? I 367 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: want to say it was like two or three o'clock 368 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: when you came back from publix. Was he there? I 369 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: didn't check with the bedrooms upstairs. So you lay for 370 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: publics at what time? Gosh, probably twelves or something like that, 371 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: and he was there. You get back from publics, you 372 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: don't go up there. The pine straw catches on fire, 373 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: and you go up there at what time about I 374 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: want to see you. It was like between like one 375 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: or two o'clock. It's been like maybe one or one 376 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: hour or anything like that. Not even not long like 377 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: before the last time, maybe maybe one third for you 378 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: to lave him. Go to lows, go to publics, get back, 379 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: start a fire, put the fire out, and go up there. 380 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: It's probably two o'clock. I mean it was gone, and 381 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: he was gone, and like he he had taken his 382 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: bag and everything that he had, like he had a 383 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: little bag and and then he had his He left 384 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: his two little balls of beer in my in the closet. 385 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: But other than that, how big was it back It's 386 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: like a backpack. Was it a backpack? Yeah, it was 387 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: a backpack. Seeing Glaze with his backpack in sixty bucks 388 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: helped him take his bags to the other room though, right, Yeah, 389 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: it was that back then, backpacking like a you know, 390 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: grocery bag of two bottles of beer or something like that. 391 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: So did you see it kind of that he was laming. Yeah, 392 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: he did that every time, like he would just disappear 393 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: every time. Every time then I then he was over 394 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: my house. He would always ever tell me he was 395 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: even he would just disappear. The man would like him 396 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: up like, so that was his m O. So I 397 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: wasn't too world. You've been over in disappear two or three. 398 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: I mean, each time you've been in my house, he 399 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: always just left because I was always like trying to 400 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: get to do something in or like you know, something 401 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: like a cook out or just I feel like something 402 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: that he didn't want to do. You know. He was 403 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: you know all about like just kind of getting stoned 404 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: at that point. And you know, like I said, I 405 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: wasn't really smoking, so it was I mean it was 406 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: on another topic a man to hit on you. I 407 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: mean it was you know, like yeah, I would say yeah, 408 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: like what like I mean like she was mad at 409 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: Chase and it was just like you know, um, basically 410 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm stoned now. Um, you know, anything goes like you know, 411 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: you just have like that eye connection thing and it's 412 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: just like you know, you could tell when he play 413 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: another man thing where he thinks she's so into me 414 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: and she's like so not. No, I wouldn't say that. 415 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: So you really think she was hitting on me. I 416 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: mean it's not like hitting on me like grab my 417 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: ass or anything, but like I mean, she was like, 418 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, feeling it out at least, like I mean, 419 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: she called me and told me to come over there 420 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: to bring her some pot for like you know, just 421 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: some bizarre reason. Like you know, it was just kind 422 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: of I think she's trying to get back at Chrise. 423 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: You know. I hope so like that was that was 424 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: kind of what because otherwise that makes it Yeah, okay, 425 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, back to the day, all right, So 426 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: around you think two o'clock, you notice he's not gone 427 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: and his backpack is gone. Now, earlier that day you 428 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: had taken his cell phone with you mine, because I mean, 429 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: I think I just really had it with me, but 430 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I really wanted him to stay and you know, wait 431 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: for him to manage to come over because I knew 432 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: he always left, like that was him up. You know, 433 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: he always leaves. So if I had a cell phone. 434 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna leave right away. And but that was 435 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: like early in the morning when I thought that a man. 436 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: And then we come over and before right you know, 437 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: moved from out of the bedroom, and uh, because I 438 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: really wanted to talk to him again, you know, to 439 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: make sure that you know, nothing crazy was going to happen. 440 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: But you know, so would the roofers have been in 441 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: a position to save like they should have, Like that's 442 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: what I thought, you know, That's why I assumed they 443 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: just saw him don't leave, because I mean, they were 444 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: worked there. The house had a steep um see at 445 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: this point when it was really smoky, they had to 446 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: get down off the roof there, because that's you know, 447 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: and that's why I assumed, you know, that Chase had 448 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: heard them running around or whatever. I don't even know 449 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: how that he was sleeping with all that noise. Like, 450 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've been told that you had a big 451 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: black bag of stuff you threw away a dumpster. What 452 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: was it? A big black bag, probably ceiling tiles, all 453 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: kinds of crap. I mean, I'm completely redoing the house. 454 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole dunster thing is kind of ridiculous. 455 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: To me because I had all my neighbors story stuff 456 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: in it. Like, I mean, it was just like, do 457 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: you think everybody's wanting to figure at you? Because I'm 458 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: the person that nobody knows and I'm just like that 459 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: odd piece to see him and his disappearance doesn't make sense, 460 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: but in a way it does. If he kept telling people, 461 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: who's gonna leave and get live in the woods? Are 462 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: you sure about that? Yeah? That was I mean, that's 463 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: that's well known to you. I'm pretty sure I mean 464 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: that that he said that. I think his mom, who 465 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: knows that, Like, how badly do you think he had 466 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: Amanda were thought? I mean bad enough to where they 467 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: she would just throw him out of the car like 468 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: randomly because they want to fight in front of the 469 00:24:54,760 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: kids and stuff, and um, you know that was. Do 470 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: you think he would actually lave his children? I you know, 471 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have thought that, you know, but I mean, and 472 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: I could say somebody leaving their wife if they fought 473 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: all the time. But the children, that's the thing that's 474 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: a where I don't buy him going into the woods 475 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: because I don't think he would have left those children. 476 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that he would have left 477 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: for a significant period of time, but I definitely a 478 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: short period of time. And just to kind of that 479 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: was a relationship between him and his mother, I don't 480 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: know because she says he always called her back, he 481 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: always texted her back, and that says she knew something 482 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: was wrong. I didn't really know his mom, Like I 483 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: never met his mom, and like he said, I only 484 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: met him a handful of time truly. Okay, will you 485 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: take a polygraph with me? Do you want me to 486 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: take a polygraph? Yes, not sitting right here. I'll set 487 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: one up and just put the whole thing to rest. 488 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I can if that's what it takes. But 489 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: it's just it's not a big deal. They're not hard 490 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: at all. I mean because now I know where you 491 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: live up kind of right, So we done. Then he's 492 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: all the way step all the way here right now, dude, No, man, 493 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: my apartments destroyed. No, this is this is I didn't 494 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: know that. I want to take a shower interview. I 495 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: want to take Next episode four of Finding Chase Master, 496 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: Stephanie Cadina, Chase's mother, finally gets to meet Brad Clements 497 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: and asked him the question she's been yearning to hear 498 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: the answers too for so long and we are there. 499 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: Please join us for episode four, Finding Chase Master, Stephanie, 500 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for? Brad the last person that 501 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: as of right now we know saw Chase alive. And 502 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: I know you've got a lot of questions hit it, 503 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: but what was the last thing Chase said to you? When? 504 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: When was the last time you talked to him? Oh? 505 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: Last time I talked to him. I mean we were 506 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: just talking about him and amand it pretty much and uh, 507 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: you know, it was exact words. I can't you know, 508 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember because I mean we're pretty much just 509 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: having a good time. Like that was, you know, he'd 510 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: come over and we were just you know, again, I 511 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: pretty much reiterated the fact that he was a lucky 512 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: guy to have, you know, a wife and two little 513 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: girls that loved him, and I mean that's all I 514 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: would ever really tell him about that. Like, we never 515 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: got really into depth of, you know, how they were 516 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: fighting or what they were fighting over, and I think 517 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: he mainly just wanted to kind of you know, upbreak 518 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: from her. Again. 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