WEBVTT - Breaking down the 2020 NFL Draft Front 7 with Emory Hunt 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.880 Backfors Alpins, Patrick drawing high, Parker Textower. What a win 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:12.160 for this Miami Dolphin team. Wow? What is up? Dolphins? 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.800 And welcome to the Drivetime Podcast, part of the Miami 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:20.799 Dolphins official podcast network, covering your Miami Dolphins each and 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.680 every day. I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and I'm 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.120 here to bring you your daily dose of Miami Dolphins football. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.720 And on today's show, our final draft preview interview, we're 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.600 getting back into the trenches on the defensive side of 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:37.480 the ball. Miami beefed up it's line and linebacker positions 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.360 in free agency, so we'll break that down and talk 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.159 about this interior, edge and linebacker class for next week's 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.559 NFL Draft. And we'll do that with Emery Hunt. All 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.000 of that and more on this Wednesday, April fifteenth edition 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:58.640 of the Drivetime Podcasts. And we're gonna start this show 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.480 here real quick by giving you a lead into this 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.040 interview with Emery Hunt. And I want to first start 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.959 by telling you this guy is not going to be 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.319 a cookie cutter draft analyst. He has his own rankings, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.520 his own big board, and it's gonna be different than 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.560 what you've seen from the general consensus We talked a 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.400 lot about different fits and different schemes. Versatile players, guys 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.920 that can play inside, outside, linebackers that can rush, cover, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.240 defend the run. We talked about the fits for different schemes, 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.640 how the length and athletic ability and fluid movement of 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.160 these players can really help a front seven on the 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:33.600 defensive side of the football. We also talked about Miami's 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.360 big additions, not just to help the rushing the passer, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.000 but also setting that edge and giving the defense more 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.360 rush opportunities with a stout run defense early in the 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.560 down and distance. We'll talk about the versatile linebacker group 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:49.160 with the Landon Roberts, Kyle van Noy, Kamu Gruge Hill. 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.400 Plenty of good content in this podcast from Emery Hunt 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.520 at f Ball game Plan on Twitter. Let's go ahead 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.040 and get to that interview right now and joining the 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.800 podcast now is the owner of foot Ball game Plan. 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.160 He is an in studio analyst, a color commentator, and author. 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.160 He kind of does it all. He's Emery Hunt. Emery, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:09.520 thanks for joining me, Man Well, I appreciate you had 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:11.800 me on. Man always a pleasure. Yeah, we had you on. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:14.120 I think it was on Lockdown Dolphins once before, and 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.000 then I had a chance to meet you at the 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.680 Combine back in February, and that was right before things 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.320 got crazy. And it's been about a month and a 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.600 half since that time, Emory, and for me, it feels 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.720 like about a year. How are you doing during the 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.440 shelter employees, self quarantine, all this crazy stuff? Man? Yeah, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.959 it's been crazy because we also covered the XFL. So 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.160 when you saw me at the Combine, we were doing 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.880 our NFL draft stuff, our combined coverage. Got back on 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.640 the plane to New York and went over to the 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.320 XFL game that Friday or Saturday, um, the Guardians game, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.960 and that was the last XFL game in history, you know, 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.079 so to speak, which which is unfortunate because now that's 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.760 off the table. Then I looked at my calendar from 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.440 March and it was filled with pro D visits and 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.160 college visits. All of that is not wiped out. So 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.839 it's just been kind of weird to not be out 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.400 and about because I'm usually at somebody's campus, alright, someone's 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:11.240 pro day, our covery, some sort of football throughout the spring. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:13.679 It's got you jumbled up, man, I feel the same way. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.280 It's just everything's been thrown off, and our schedules are 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.959 different now and we're doing everything this way now through zooming, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.080 through digital meetings. So it's good to hear that you're 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.080 healthy and you're safe. And I wanted to ask you 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.880 first before we get into the draft. Here we're talking 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.080 about defensive line and linebackers, and I wanted to ask you, Emory, 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:31.239 because this Dolphin's offseason really made the front seven a 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:34.080 point of emphasis heading into the draft. Let's go ahead 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.640 and start on the line and talk about the additions 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.440 of Emanuel Ogball and Shack Lawson. What do you think 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.840 of those two guys off the edge for this defensive line. Well, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.440 they give the Dolphins a lot of depth because those 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.160 guys do a great job and playing rotational roles and 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.600 it does give you a lot of more a lot 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.280 more variety as far as what you can do as 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.400 far as stopping and run or rushing the passer. And 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.640 I like how they're approaching it, Becau, because you have 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.280 a lot of guys um that just look at it. Okay, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.720 we're building this team this way, but you have to 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.720 build a team to go up against the opponents you have, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.520 and a lot of times teams get caught in bad 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.200 situations where they may be matched up well versus a 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:17.360 team that does one thing, but when they face a 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.599 team that does another thing, they can't defend. And so 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.839 what I like about what the Dolphins have done it 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.640 makes them much more versatile. So let's say they're playing 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.920 a team that wants to run the football, well, they 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.440 have defensive line depth that can really help bolsters the 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.960 run stopping efforts. If they play a team that wants 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.640 to air it out, they have guys now that can 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.120 come in and kind of rotate as ed rushers to 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:39.960 keep that pass for us fresh. So I love the 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.599 approach they did this week, this um all season and 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.400 addressing you know, the depth defensively with guys that can 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.080 do more than one thing. And that was kind of 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.040 the theme of the back half of last year when 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.360 the Dolphins did start to win some games down the stretch, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.920 winning five of the final nine. They talked about how 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.280 the game plan changes week to week and you can 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.640 be one team one week and a completely other team 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.480 the next week. And I see the same thing there 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.680 where you talk about with a ball and losson and 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.080 their ability both to get up fields pass rushers, but 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.800 also to hold that edge in the running game in 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.239 the area of the Dolphins had to improve, and they did. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.880 They add those two defensive linemen, but they also add 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.600 three linebackers to that front seven and they can all 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.599 do different things as well. What do you make of 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.960 the collection of Kyle van Noy and the land and Roberts, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.760 but also Commu Gruge Hill who comes over from Philadelphia 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.240 coverage and and that's big in this era of football. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.600 You have to be able to cover guys, not just 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:31.200 it used to be just okay, well we have a 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.560 secondary that can cover, we should be fine, and versus 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.360 the past. Now your linebackers have to be able to cover. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.560 So the Calvanoi move makes sense. Eldon Landon Roberts makes sense. 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.840 A gruge here is a guy that can they can 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.880 get out there and cover as well. But he also 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.640 helps boaster the special teams unit, which is the third 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.080 aspect of a game. You can win games strictly all 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.920 special teams and one of their facet of a game. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.080 So I think again, the way they were able to 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.400 go out there and attack free agency just makes what 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.000 they're gonna do in the draft a lot easier because 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.600 they've answered a ton of questions with guys that can 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.840 get out there, play all three dollars, be versatile um 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.520 and also helped them in a situation where hey, we 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.280 have to really, you know, pony up and stop the 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.240 past today when they have backers that can do that 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.000 in coverage. So that helps you not get out of 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:20.400 your base personnel, so to speak. You can really still 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.919 stay in base and play well there and be and 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.279 be good on both friends. And they have guys that 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.240 now can get up the field and consistently provide that 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.560 pass for us. If you know, the starters get tired, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.640 that second wave comes in fresh, while the offensive line 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.320 of the opposing team is gas. So I love what 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.240 they've done defensively, and they have three first round picks 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.120 to get even better, and we are going to get 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.000 into this draft class and those three first round picks 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.080 of the Dolphins. Well, I love that you mentioned the 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.120 special teams perspect of it, because Kyle van Nois talked 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.919 about this in the past too. Even though he's a 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.120 guy that plays eight hundred, nine hundred, even up to 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.440 a thousand snaps in a season, he's willing to go 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.200 out there and contribute on special teams. A model of 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.080 playing starters on special teams because, like you said, Emory, 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:02.960 that's the way you can win and lose football games. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.640 So why not have your best guys out there and 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.000 contribute when you can get them out there onto the field. 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.119 So a great point there, But you mentioned the draft. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.760 I want to get into that now here, because this 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.960 is the area you really excel in with all the 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.120 crossover with professional football college ball. I didn't know you 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.800 were doing XFL. Man, you you do it all. It's 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.920 it's awesome to hear. I love seeing you kind of 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.360 come up from where you were and get into this 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.840 position now where you're one of the foremost opinions. And 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.800 that's why I wanted to have you on this podcast, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.880 and you've been covering this draft since I knew you 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.400 way back in the message board days. Let's go ahead 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.680 and start up front here, Emory. First, when you look 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.160 at the edge position, for you, how do you classify 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.480 different guys off the edge, Like maybe one guy is 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.600 a rush specialist, maybe one guy is more of a 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.360 base run defender. How do you separate that and kind 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.920 of differentiate the value between those two classifications. Well, I'm 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.560 glad you asked that that way because That's how I 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:56.040 break down my my draft analysis and my scouting because 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.120 you can't, let's say, for instance, the receiver position. You 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.320 can't just rank here my top ten receivers. Well, guys 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.240 play different positions. Like you can't ask Cole Beasley, you 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:09.480 can't read him against Calvin Johnson. They're playing two separate positions. Um, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.920 he's a slot and Johnson is on the outside. So 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.000 with the defensive line, I do the same thing. I 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.000 have four or three defensive ends that a greade defensive tackles, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.920 and those tackles five techniques or four eye defensive vents, 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.680 guys that are probably a better fit inside but have 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:26.840 a little bit of pass rushing presence, but you see 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.080 could see them playing and and maybe a three or 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.200 four defense. And your edge rushers, which are separate from 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.679 your outside linebackers and your inside linebackers. To me, edge 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.680 rushers are you know, I grew up in the arroway 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.440 edge rushers. Essentially we're week side defensive ends. So I 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.520 still look at him as week side defensive events. So 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.240 guys that you can play with their hand on off 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.079 the ground and the strictly in a rush situation. So 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.960 that's how I differentiate between the talent that you see 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.000 coming in instead of ranking defensive ends defensive tackles. Would 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.079 you say that there are a strong split between those two. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.520 Let's let's talk about maybe the top fifty players are 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.200 so on your big border edge distinctions. Do you say that? 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:04.440 Would you say there's a big difference between those two 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.240 classifications this year, like which guys fall into the pass 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.360 rush group and which guys fall into the more base 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.959 rundown defensive end. Cha Chung is the number one four 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.280 three defensive end. I don't even see see him as 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.280 an address. I see him as your standard for three 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.640 defensive end that can really just play down and down 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.600 with his hand in the ground. As far as edge 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.640 rushes are concerned, to answer your question, I think a 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.920 lot of it is closer to the top. So whoever 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.719 I have is number one, it's probably a point to 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.640 have different than who I have at number ten. So 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.679 I think the add rush group for me at least 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.040 is a lot closer than the defensive end group. With 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.880 Chase Young, Jabari Zunigata Florida, those guys or are your 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.040 defensive ends, while other guys I tend to view as 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.360 more ed rushes. I know a lot of times you're here, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.760 folks kind of blend the two. Um. They may look 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.160 at a guy, let's say you tour Gross Mottoes as 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.440 a d rusher. I see him as a defensive end, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.480 you know. I see him as a guy that can play, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.439 play the run with his hand in the ground, down 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.840 and down out, hold the edge, and do those things 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.400 that you would ask the defensive in a dude. Just 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.679 supposed to a guy like Bradley an out of Utah 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.400 who I see as a straight edge rusher, guy that 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.160 can really get up the field and get after the quarterback. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.800 You mentioned Bradley and either Bradley in a from Utah 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.800 and kind of the differentiating between he and Chase Young. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.080 But there are some guys maybe on day three that 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.440 can maybe do a little bit more in terms of versatility, 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.360 but maybe they don't have the background of the makeup, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.959 with the small school pedigree, whatever it might be guys 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.000 to fall into that day three group. Can you talk 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.240 about some players in that range that might be able 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.079 to come onto a roster and maybe they don't have 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.880 immediate impacts, they can develop into a guy that can 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.160 do multiple roles like you mentioned and play all over 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:49.760 the defensive line. I like Aaron Patrick out of Eastern 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.040 Kentucky watching him, you know, we cover a lot of 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.040 FCS football and football game plan and just watching him 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.480 develop into one of the best pass rushers at the 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:04.520 FCS level. He's a long, tightly you know, compacted athlete 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.000 six four about two fifty, but built more like um 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.640 Barkavis Mingo. Patrick is a guy that can really turn 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.240 the corner and flatten that line between he and the 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.000 quarterback and get after the quarterback. He was very disruptive 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.080 for the Colonels and Austin Edwards out of Ferres State 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.680 played well down at the East West Shrine Bowl. And 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.160 he's one that can play on the edge. You saw 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.800 him sometimes play inside like a five, and he can 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:32.800 really pressure up quarterback real strong at the point of attack. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.319 Big fan of what Bright Stirk does as well too, 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.960 out of Montana State, another East West Shrine Bowl participant 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.320 that can really get after the quarterback. He was another 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.240 one of those guys I thought this year, you know 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.080 they have the Bucket Buchanan, a ward which is given 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.160 to the top defensive lineman at the FCS level. I 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.440 thought he should have won that war. He actually voted 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.800 for him to win the award. Um it went to 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.800 Dante Olsen, who's another tremendous player at linebacker. I played 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.960 the Shrine Bowl, so it was splitting the hairs between 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.160 one and two. But Stirk was one that really was 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.559 a disruptive force for the Bobcats on that defense. I 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.160 want to talk to you about three guys here. I 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.920 have a potential swing players that can play inside, outside, 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.240 maybe even go off ball and play linebacker. And they 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:14.800 are Alex Highsmith of Charlotte. They are Trevis Gibson of Tulsa, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.000 and my last one is Jason Strowbridge from North Carolina. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.040 How do you separate those three guys and about where 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.320 do you see their value in this year's draft? Well, 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.440 you mentioned three guys, and for me, they played three 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.400 different positions. You talked about Hi Smith, he plays the edge, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.120 UM Strowbridge plays the five tech I look at it, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.440 and Gibson plays the four three defensive end. So looking 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.040 at Gibson, I thought he stood out to me at 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.959 the Senior Bowl. UM, and my draft process genuinely starts 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.520 are generally starts at the Senior Bowl. Then I go 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.760 back and watch the film and then I great because 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.640 I don't want that All Star Game exposure to be 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.480 the only exposure I get to a prospect. So you 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.200 go back and watch the film and you love it 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.280 when you see what you saw at the Senior Bowl 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.640 consistently over the course of four games, when you break 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.960 down a prospect, and you saw that with Gibson, who 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.800 was tremendous for Tulsa. I thought Tulsas defensively, our defense 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.320 was probably under it. There's four guys from Tulsa that 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.160 should be getting looks at at the NFL Draft and 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.920 may even end up getting drafted. So they were really 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.360 good individually defensively this past season. Strowbridge, I was at 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.400 that pit U n C game and he saw him 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.720 moved all around the formation and we saw him drop 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.400 in coverage at times. So he has the versatility to 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.560 play any position or any technique up front. So you 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.240 like that versatility. He also had a solid week at 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.960 the Senior Bowl as well. And everyone is high on 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.319 Alex Heisman rightfully so, because he's a guy that was 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.880 very productive, self made man. You'd like to say he 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.559 was a walk on that Earnder scholarship, became a premier 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.839 player for the four Niners, And what was great about 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.559 his tape was that teams came in knowing they had 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.760 to find a way to stop him. He was their 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.040 best defensive player, and knowing that and still being able 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.240 to dominate and be disruptive tells you a lot about 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:01.760 what he brings to the table. I think he is 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.520 a guy that just was excellent, and I also feel 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:09.000 as though he would be a fantastic core special teamer, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.920 and that's always the key. Can guys excel on special 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.400 teams earned there, keep there while being a sub package 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:19.080 player before jumping into a starting role. Yeah, explosive, twitched up, 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:20.920 and he has the fire and the and the the 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.920 motor that really helps him play on a special teams 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:24.520 level as well too. So I love that note. And 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.360 this is why I love having you on Emery, because 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.600 you can go so deep into your into your draft 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.560 notes here and give us prospects late and Day three, 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.440 maybe even U d f as at some point. But 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:33.760 I do want to go back to the top of 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.280 the draft class with this particular position group off that 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.200 edge and just kind of ask you to go over 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.320 your top five or six guys and let me tell 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.360 me one trade about these guys you think really makes 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.320 them stand out. You told us Chase Young already, what 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.920 about beyond Chase Young? Well as the defensive end, youngest 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.600 is number one. At number two, I have Jabari zunigauta Florida. 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.800 I thought he was another one that really had bird's 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.560 coming off the edge and could close on the quarterback. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.200 At three, I have Ladarius hamilt And out of North Texas. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.400 He was one that despite him being six two sixty, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.680 he is a guy that can play with his hand 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.240 in the ground. You think about Robert Matthis, you think 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.000 about those type of players. He was explosive. He has 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.800 a lot of different ways to get to the quarterback. Four, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.400 I have your tour Gross Spontos out of Penn State. 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.600 Was able to see him live at the against Maryland. 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.360 Like what he was able to do against that spread offense. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.320 They really love to, you know, spread you out, push 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.720 the tempo. He was very disruptive there. And five I 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.680 have Darryl Taylor out of Tennessee another one of these bigger, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.800 burrely guys that can that You know that on paper 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.560 looks six. You think, well he maybe he's an edge guy. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.800 Now he can hold his own at the point of attack, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.680 very strong run defender and can collapse a pocket with 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.080 that strength. So outside the top five. Rondelle Carter out 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.120 of James Madison. You watch him and John Dodca the 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.120 two ends for James Madison. They were always in the 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:02.120 opposing backfield. Doctors worl of an outside linebacker and Rondelle Carter. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.160 It's your standard defenseman. He was at Rutgers then transferred 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.520 to j m U. We saw him get the championship game. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.840 You're looking at five text A. J Epiness is another one. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:12.320 I think he would be one of those type of 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.720 guys that Miami would love because he's versatile. He has 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:20.440 a multiple a multi step approach to where he can 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.720 play the run, he can rush the past. He's not 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.480 a speed guy off the edge per se, but he 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.760 wins with the ability to turn the corner. He uses 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.240 his hands very well. It can get to the quarterback 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.600 that way. I like his game. At number two, I 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.560 have Joe Gaziano out of Northwestern. Was surprised that not 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.760 a lot of talk was coming from his his direction 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.200 because he was impressive off off the film and you 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.160 watch him compete down and down out. Another one of 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.040 these guys that draws double teams. Third Darius Moraine out 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.920 of Kansas. And and here's a situation where you really 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.920 have to put your scouting hat on because Morange was 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.360 playing you know, he was playing a five tech at 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.240 Kansas six six to nineties seven. But I was down 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.159 at the Tropical Bowl this year, which is I was 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.600 a color analyst on the Tropical Bowl broadcast, which is 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.520 another All Star game prior to the East West Shrine Bowl, 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.440 and we saw him play more of a seven and 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.640 in one on one, you're like, man, they had him 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.160 just pretty much occupying a gap at Kansas, but here 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.359 in the All Star Game, he really can rush the past, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.600 so he can play defensive end. He's just a bigger 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.959 body defensive end, which is great because it gives you 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.919 that versatility. And and four have Mardin Davidson out of 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.160 Auburn versatility. I knew Auburn had him playing out there 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.919 on the edge, but he's another one of these players 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.520 that can play anywhere up front and be successful. In 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.760 five Strowbridge we talked about earlier and Rousing out of 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.359 my edge rushers Bradley and a we talked about nine 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.320 out of Utah. You know, just hustle player, typical Utah player, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.479 you know, the guy that just constantly is in the 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.760 backfield and and hair on fire, brights off of the 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.520 number two out of Memphis. I thought Memphisis defense had 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.199 some studs on it as well. He reminds me a 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.000 lot of Ladarius Hamilton's Aaron Patrick. We talked about that 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.160 number three, high smooth, We talked about it, number four 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:11.959 and the number five. I do have Chauncey Rivers out 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.080 of Mississippi State, and he's different than he's built like 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.720 what we talked about who at Ladarius Hamilton's. They're about 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.919 the same size. But I like his fluidity as far 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.320 as being able to drop in coverage, being able to 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.560 really play with his hand off the ground. He's not 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.600 awkward in space and he's also very productive. Do you 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.760 think that that you mentioned the fluidity of the kind 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.480 of ability drop into coverage, do you think that also 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.760 translates to a guy that can run games and kind 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.920 of slant off the defensive line and run the looper 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.919 and stunts and that type of thing. Yeah, because you 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.600 want guys that have the ability to close space quickly, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.760 and if you're stiff athletically, you can't do that, So 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.399 you're if you're fluid enough to where you can, you know, 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.040 go from a drop back and planting acceleray to the 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.879 quarterback or running run around blocks, or come from a 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.960 seven and then crashed into a five technique. You want 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.320 guys that have the ability to move, because if you can't, 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.920