Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi? Everybody, welcome back to Are You
Speaker 1: a Charlotte? We are here with a little bonus episode
Speaker 1: where Lena and I discuss and just like that, please enjoy.
Speaker 2: We were talking about women of color being on the show.
Speaker 2: What I loved about Jennifer Lewis's seeing Jennifer Lewis's character
Speaker 2: in Nikorey Parker's character in the same frame, so beauty
Speaker 2: is it's not just about them being two black women,
Speaker 2: but it was more about them being two very specific
Speaker 2: black women, so specific and so different, and obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: generational differences, and obviously there's humor and dealing with death,
Speaker 2: and I just thought it was so beautifully done. I
Speaker 2: communicated that to Susan, to Jennifer as well, and I
Speaker 2: think that is the evolution of the show as well.
Speaker 2: And it's not just about oh, let's let's put a
Speaker 2: black woman at the table, a Middle Eastern woman at
Speaker 2: the table, but it's really more about well who are they?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like, I don't, Okay,
Speaker 2: she's black, Great, what else? Right? And I think that's
Speaker 2: where you get Susan Phil's Hill being very culturally specific
Speaker 2: and like like you know, kind of infusing some things
Speaker 2: that maybe she can relate to to the character. And
Speaker 2: the Kolie Parker is fantastic. I'm being a fan of
Speaker 2: hers for a long time. And so I think that
Speaker 2: that's to me is what happens, is like shows grow
Speaker 2: and they shift and they change. But also think we
Speaker 2: live in a very youth leading society as well, So
Speaker 2: when you're watching women who have a certain age, who
Speaker 2: are living certain lives, there is a level of people
Speaker 2: or maybe people who are those characters ages feel like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't live that way or that's not my experience.
Speaker 2: But I always I say, I try to get away
Speaker 2: from this idea of oh I want to see myself,
Speaker 2: because I can see myself in the lead character in
Speaker 2: Baby Reindeer. And he's a white straight news who is
Speaker 2: like you know in London, is a stroke comedian. And
Speaker 2: even though I don't, I'm not, I don't have anything
Speaker 2: in common with him in that way, I can relate
Speaker 2: to his desire to be desired and his desire to
Speaker 2: be left alone. Sure, and so and I think, to me,
Speaker 2: it's about what is the human connection that is happening
Speaker 2: with that's the character. That's what it's like. I don't
Speaker 2: need a person to be black and queer and female
Speaker 2: like me for me to relate to them. I want
Speaker 2: to know what is it are they struggling with, what
Speaker 2: are they going through? What are they facing in this moment?
Speaker 1: And that's the joy of what we do exactly, and
Speaker 1: also relates to someone who has nothing similar exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point. It's like, it's about empathy, it's
Speaker 2: about seeing your humanity as someone that looks nothing like yes,
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it's like again like don't
Speaker 2: don't pascify me, don't don't put characters in there because
Speaker 2: you're like, well, this is the right thing. It's like
Speaker 2: not like do it. If you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: do it, do it in a way that feels organic
Speaker 2: and authentic.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think for us, like the joy
Speaker 1: of it, just like that was to get to come
Speaker 1: back together with our new people who brought so much specificity, love,
Speaker 1: you know, joy, like they were so present, everyone brought
Speaker 1: their best and that's what we felt when we were there.
Speaker 1: So sometimes the reaction it just didn't match and then
Speaker 1: you're like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: So that's what I was curious about, Well, what is happening?
Speaker 2: And the truth is like, because you can't go to
Speaker 2: everyone's house and ask, you know, and I do that.
Speaker 2: It's just because I think, and there's so many different answers.
Speaker 2: But again, I think whenever there is turmoil or there's
Speaker 2: sort of a frustration, you kind of have to again
Speaker 2: critique the criticism and say, hey, what's happening. You don't
Speaker 2: always say, oh, I'm you guys don't know because sometimes
Speaker 2: people are like say, hey, that's not working for me.
Speaker 2: I don't get this. Why are they doing that? You know?
Speaker 2: But it is interesting, Yeah, this is cool to have
Speaker 2: a conversation. Yeah, but the truth is you guys have
Speaker 2: paid the way, you've done the thing you this is
Speaker 2: your stage, right And like when you go see a play,
Speaker 2: you don't get to say I don't like this, so
Speaker 2: what's going on? Totally you kind of say, hey, this
Speaker 2: is what I came to see, and whether I like
Speaker 2: it or not, this is really almost relevant because it's done.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's already right.
Speaker 1: But we're not living in times like that, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated by the shifting, like where is it
Speaker 1: going to go? You know what I mean, like what's
Speaker 1: going to happen?
Speaker 2: I also think people just need that. People are frustrated,
Speaker 2: and I think they need something to be frustrated.
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot easier to be frustrated.
Speaker 2: By show what's actually happening world?
Speaker 3: And I get that, and I thought was funny.
Speaker 2: You'll see more passionate about that.
Speaker 1: That was That was one thing that I that I
Speaker 1: at the time, I was like I cannot believe the
Speaker 1: the the and like what's happening?
Speaker 3: And then like look over here.
Speaker 1: Okay, but then you go, oh, it's actually the same.
Speaker 3: It's related.
Speaker 2: They're not they're not separate of each other.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's hard to be in that place, you know.
Speaker 2: Right. But I'm a fan of the Book of the
Speaker 2: Let Them theory, are you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it's like.
Speaker 1: We love so many surprises from Lena Let them? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, yes. I think the hard thing is.
Speaker 3: What do you continue?
Speaker 1: Do you continue regardless of that or do you take
Speaker 1: it in and think that it means, you know, what
Speaker 1: do you do with it? All?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And we stopped for now, As I said, I feel
Speaker 1: like there's more to.
Speaker 3: Be to be said.
Speaker 1: I yes, I just don't feel like that was our
Speaker 1: ending because we didn't know it was our ending. I
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I had no idea, Like an article on I don't
Speaker 2: know that Michael and.
Speaker 1: Sarah discussed that it might end, but no one told
Speaker 1: the rest of us.
Speaker 3: Oh. Interesting, Yeah, I had no idea, no idea.
Speaker 1: We had dinner the three of us, Sarah, Sin and
Speaker 1: I maybe two weeks after it ended. We hadn't know.
Speaker 1: We we knew, we knew because he told us before,
Speaker 1: like we filmed it, but it hadn't aired, gotcha. Yes,
Speaker 1: he would never leave us totally unaware, but we were
Speaker 1: largely unaware, right, I mean every season it was unclear
Speaker 1: slightly as it is. Yeah, but also I would see
Speaker 1: a glint in his eye, like a creative glint in
Speaker 1: his eye, and I would be like, okay, but we
Speaker 1: were a little burnt at the end of this one,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 1: I felt a different energy, and partly because he was
Speaker 1: going to do the comeback right, right, So the creative
Speaker 1: energy was there, sure, right, and I thought he'll just.
Speaker 3: Need some time off.
Speaker 1: You know, Michael's always going to have ideas, right, So
Speaker 1: I wasn't that worried about it, Like I read I
Speaker 1: read the script, the final script, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's not our ending.
Speaker 3: That's me. I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: And then so when we had dinner the three of us,
Speaker 1: I said to Sarah, I was like, I just don't
Speaker 1: feel that that is like a good end. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know quite what happened, because you know, we like
Speaker 1: towards the end. I think I was shooting six episodes
Speaker 1: at once. Like that's how messy our season had gotten?
Speaker 1: What I had not filmed the part where I tell
Speaker 1: her that Harry has cancer yet, because I'd gotten COVID
Speaker 1: the week I was supposed to film in July.
Speaker 2: Fourth week, that's happened to us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, actor a hot mess. Yeah, felt terrible.
Speaker 1: So because it was a Dwayne Read or whatever it was, CBS, whatever.
Speaker 3: It was, it had gotten pasted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had gotten bumped all the way down to
Speaker 1: the bitter bitter end. Yeah, so like I had to remember, like, okay, wait,
Speaker 1: have I told people? Have you not told people?
Speaker 3: Don't you know?
Speaker 1: It was all that juggling that you do as an actor, right,
Speaker 1: So the Thanksgiving episode, which was general craziness anymore episodes, right,
Speaker 1: you are the master of Thanksgiving episodes. She's delivering pies,
Speaker 1: whereas not there exactly. There's some bizarre bathroomantics going on.
Speaker 1: So we're having dinner and she's like, I don't remember
Speaker 1: what happened, and I said, you know, we argue about something,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: She's like, I don't know what it was either.
Speaker 1: And something is like maybe it had to do with
Speaker 1: Victor Garb and we're like, maybe it did.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know.
Speaker 1: Like that can't be our ending.
Speaker 2: This is literally a scene and just like you're in.
Speaker 1: A little small room of this that Sarah had called
Speaker 1: ahead so that we could, and I was like maybe
Speaker 1: three other people there are three other couples, and they were.
Speaker 3: Just like what is going on? We were laughing really hard,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean we.
Speaker 2: Were laughing really hard.
Speaker 1: We had thought this whole thing was pretty funny, but
Speaker 1: only because we were so addled by the end, you know,
Speaker 1: that's my word, not there's like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we were like, we don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And Sarah doesn't watch right because she finds it uncomfortable
Speaker 1: at this point in time to watch.
Speaker 3: So she she was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She said, you need to ask me these questions in
Speaker 1: a year when I've had time to process, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, I will do that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going.
Speaker 3: To catalog this and I'm gonna be like, Sir Jessica,
Speaker 3: I have some questions, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: But I mean it's who knows. Who knows.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting with like endings ye shows hard
Speaker 2: and characters so hard, and it's like, you guys live
Speaker 2: in a very specific place for people, because like I'll
Speaker 2: go back and revisit the first movie. You know, obviously
Speaker 2: I'll go back revisit certain episodes and seasons and things
Speaker 2: like that. And I really like the first season. I've
Speaker 2: been just like that. I thought it was really interesting,
Speaker 2: you know, I do. I think it was.
Speaker 3: It was really interesting too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's very merriktele and more cod
Speaker 2: because they came back with Mary and Rhoda and it
Speaker 2: was like a whole yeah yeah, me too. Were trying
Speaker 2: to make it a series, but they made it the
Speaker 2: TV movie And it is that thing of revisiting these
Speaker 2: characters that you know they love and you want to
Speaker 2: see where they are and what's going on. I mean
Speaker 2: and Marion, you know, and Valley Harper. I mean they
Speaker 2: were you know, you know, women of a certain age
Speaker 2: going back into the work force, different things, and so
Speaker 2: you guys are very much a part of that lineage
Speaker 2: and happy. Yeah, it's it's beautiful, it's iconic. And I
Speaker 2: think what you're saying is you're like, oh, now the
Speaker 2: world has shifted and it's different than when we were
Speaker 2: first doing this. Oh definitely, even when the movie came home,
Speaker 2: all these different things, Like when the movie came out,
Speaker 2: you guys are gone Oprah and promoted, you know, and
Speaker 2: now it's like, you know, just like that, like Sarah's
Speaker 2: going on Howard Show to talk about what's going on.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, what what world is this going on?
Speaker 2: So I just think the show continues to grow with us,
Speaker 2: and I hear you on the the endings. It's interesting
Speaker 2: because I still have held off watching the last episode
Speaker 2: of and just like that, I know people that have
Speaker 2: and they're sort of like, no, you gotta have the
Speaker 2: ending in the funeral if you will, And for me,
Speaker 2: I'm just sort of like I'm not even ready to
Speaker 2: kind of I haven't watched it, have that last chapter.
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, Lena.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't feel finished, do you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't feel finished. I just don't feel finished.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work on Michael Patrack maybe.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it could be anything we wanted,
Speaker 1: But I don't think we should do a movie in
Speaker 1: the theaters as special as that was. I feel like
Speaker 1: we should maybe yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: with our company. Me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know, Gord, I know they may get bought up.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm a I love TV. Characters never die though,
Speaker 2: It's true, they just always live on.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: But that's why I also feel like I feel like,
Speaker 1: first of all, I feel just as a woman who
Speaker 1: is my age of Charlotte right, life isn't over, and
Speaker 1: I feel a responsibility in a way to continue if
Speaker 1: we are allowed to continue, because I do feel like
Speaker 1: it's important to our original fans who are our ages right, true,
Speaker 1: whose lives also aren't over. That's a thing, it's a
Speaker 1: real thing. They're like, yes and hopefully thriving.
Speaker 2: Maybe with Vertigo.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm like Susan, what's up with the vertigo?
Speaker 3: Yes, she.
Speaker 2: Was the expert.
Speaker 1: I had I say, which one of you guys okay
Speaker 1: because something needs to help me?
Speaker 2: And like I was like, oh, I definitely don't want
Speaker 2: to get listen.
Speaker 3: That's how I felt as well.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is happening. It's happening, but look,
Speaker 2: they got to introduce new things to us that we're
Speaker 2: not familiar with and we're not aware of them.
Speaker 3: That's right, I.
Speaker 2: Will say what But me, it was odd that Charlotte
Speaker 2: would't tell the girls about Harry having cancer, because like,
Speaker 2: what what was the secret?
Speaker 3: You know what I thought it was about.
Speaker 1: And I mean, this is my I don't circular cancer.
Speaker 3: It's true, but that was a while ago.
Speaker 1: I mean that was before the children were born.
Speaker 2: Right, well, yeah, pregnant because right.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly right. I haven't rewatched that part yet, but
Speaker 1: I remember it vaguely. I think personally, this is what
Speaker 1: I personally think. Those children could be very high maintenance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think Charlotte was trying to protect herself by
Speaker 1: not telling them, yes or by her friends, Well, she
Speaker 1: wanted to tell it, obviously, that was really Harry didn't
Speaker 1: want that, right, because Harry was trying to keep it
Speaker 1: a secret.
Speaker 3: Well, this is also based on a writer's situation.
Speaker 1: In a writer's significant other situation, right, you know, they
Speaker 1: always have to use those yes where I think that
Speaker 1: person had just felt like if everyone knew while they
Speaker 1: were going through it, that they would have pity for
Speaker 1: them to talk to them in a way that would
Speaker 1: make them uncomfortable. They didn't want to make everyone feel bad.
Speaker 1: They wanted to wait till it was done.
Speaker 2: I did like the moment where he was watching the
Speaker 2: baseball game and you were like, it's just how you
Speaker 2: want to spend the last moments and he's sort of
Speaker 2: like yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, he's like, don't bother me.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: It's like, do I know it was funny. I couldn't
Speaker 1: feel it was funny in the moment because I had
Speaker 1: to be Charlotte, right, No, But I did I like
Speaker 1: that scene on the page because that's.
Speaker 3: A very it was a thing.
Speaker 2: I literally said that to somebody where I was like, Wow,
Speaker 2: how do you want to spend your last month?
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know you don't want to be.
Speaker 2: Doing these sort of forced family oh goodbye, Right, you
Speaker 2: want to do the things that make you happy and
Speaker 2: bring you joy. Absolutely, So that's the thing, and just
Speaker 2: like that still brings those conversations, mate, it does.
Speaker 3: I know, it does. I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, And that's why I don't feel like we're done.
Speaker 3: But that's that could just be me because that's.
Speaker 2: Just like that about that chapter, is that you guys
Speaker 2: are dealing with mortality.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's also what about.
Speaker 2: The episode like splat, you know, but for the most part,
Speaker 2: right exactly, And.
Speaker 1: I think that's also some of the reaction. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that people are aware that that's what they're
Speaker 1: reacting to, right, well, of course, because why would a
Speaker 1: thirty year old have that awareness, right or.
Speaker 2: Want to be thinking that what I'm going to be
Speaker 2: doing when I'm older?
Speaker 3: Right ahead?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: They would rather think of us in our thirties, right,
Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. I get it, because
Speaker 1: it's also more fun times, totally more fun.
Speaker 3: We've got those crazy outfits. We're running around the streets.
Speaker 2: Still think about West, you know.
Speaker 1: We took in my mind. I remember the conversation where
Speaker 1: Sarah and Michael called me about it, and just like
Speaker 1: that we knew somewhat intellectually, like we had an idea, yea,
Speaker 1: that it was going to be challenging for people to
Speaker 1: come into the new era with us, right, you know,
Speaker 1: we had some understanding of that, but then like the
Speaker 1: reality of it is so much more than your intellectual
Speaker 1: idea of it, you know, the visual reaction that people had.
Speaker 1: But then also I still stand by it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I don't feel like we have
Speaker 1: to not do something so that people don't get up.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, like you can never go home again.
Speaker 3: No, you know, if we tried to make the old show,
Speaker 3: it would not.
Speaker 2: Have exactly like the very Oh yeah, you can't be
Speaker 2: doing the same age.
Speaker 1: You would say to me like I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you girls weren't going out more. And I'm like, uh what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: People would say a lot of crazy things to me
Speaker 2: again because they want the old show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm like, but you have the old show
Speaker 1: and you can watch it.
Speaker 3: It's still there, enjoy it. It's great, y'all. Just challenge
Speaker 3: We're just in a different we are, That's how we roll.
Speaker 3: We're challenging folks.
Speaker 2: A leur ago about testicular cancer.
Speaker 3: Particular cancer, prostate cancer.
Speaker 2: The husband's dying, ont dying, happening with the shoes on? Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean women making documentaries I know about people they've
Speaker 2: never heard of.
Speaker 1: I just wait, in my mind, there is an ltw's
Speaker 1: Family spin off.
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like it would be great.
Speaker 2: Okay LTW spin off?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Remember when the family when they all get dressed to
Speaker 1: go to the funeral.
Speaker 2: Yes, so beautiful, I know, very classy, black morning.
Speaker 1: I know. And and Nicole said she was in a
Speaker 1: Fellini movie in her mind.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I was like, you.
Speaker 3: Brought that, you brought that?
Speaker 1: What did joy?
Speaker 2: And then also the humor they got with that damn memorial.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a week of filming for that.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Jeniffer Lewis, I mean, the one and only.
Speaker 2: Credible, the one and only.
Speaker 3: What a joy to have her.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad y'all got her in there.
Speaker 1: God, me too, me too.
Speaker 2: She was cracking me up. She really is a better days.
Speaker 2: It's just like nuts.
Speaker 3: It was so great.
Speaker 2: She's great.
Speaker 1: She's so great, and and everyone everyone.
Speaker 3: We had was so great.
Speaker 1: That's the other joy of getting to go back to
Speaker 1: work and you get to bring the people that you want,
Speaker 1: that need things to do that, are you know, contributing
Speaker 1: their their art beautiful?
Speaker 2: No, that was great. I loved all the new people
Speaker 2: you introduced, and obviously seeing folks from the Og.
Speaker 1: The Og we love them so much. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: we love everybody, but you know we're lucky. We got
Speaker 1: to make it.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, especially especially time