WEBVTT - Ep. 628: MeatEater Radio Live! A Goose Calling Champ, Tapeworm Cysts, and Toxic Sludge 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:10.040 Smell Us. Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Meater Podcast. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.960 Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.760 Time on November twenty first, and we're live from Meet 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.920 Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer Newhart, 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:41.000 joined today by Jannis Putellus and Corey Hawkins. On today's show, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.559 we'll interview the three time world goose calling champion John Walls. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.519 Then we have a rought report from Mark Kenyon, followed 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.560 by one minute fishing with Seth Morris. After that, we'll 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.240 have a chettiquet about Finders Keepers Rules. Then we'll interview 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.720 Jared Sullivan about his new book, Valley Solo, and finally 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.520 we'll look at a listener's drunken tattoo of penguins. But first, 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.720 Cory's going to regale us with tails from his recent 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:06.440 elk hunt. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:11.880 Well, yeah, thanks, Spencer. Finally harvested my general Montana bull 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:13.520 elk last week. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.360 How many years did that take? 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:19.400 Felt like multiple? But it was a long archery season. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:20.920 I passed up a lot of elk and had a 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.800 lot of close encounters with my bow as you did 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.199 as well. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.560 No, you got one last year, didn't you will your bow? 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.880 I'm two years in a row filling my general elk 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.720 tag with a bowl. Yeah nice, but yeah. I went 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.160 out with a couple of colleagues actually to try and 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.240 harvest a cow for a non resident colleague of ours 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:43.679 who had a cow tag, and all we saw were bulls. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.880 So three bulls come up over the hill and I 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.320 was able to drop one of them that stopped at 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.160 four hundred. 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:50.280 Yards in a new spot for you. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.240 It's a spot I've hunted before, but it's one of 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.480 our colleagues secret go to late season elk spots that 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:57.880 he was. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.559 Held a few people in the office. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.400 Yeah, we were blindfolded until the sun came up. And 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.040 then as soon as the sun came up, looking through 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.360 the snow, I saw three bulls come over the hill 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.079 and it was pretty hard to say no this late 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.040 in the season. So filled my freezer. 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.520 What was the one that you killed? His size versus 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:14.080 the other two? 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.919 You know, I didn't get a great look at any 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:18.840 of them. It happened so fast they came up over 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.800 the hill. At first I thought they were other hunters 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.440 on the skyline. It was just it was dark enough 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.840 and there was a blizzard happened and snow was blowing sideways, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.080 and they were probably five hundred and fifty yards. At 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.120 one point they saw us, and they actually skirted across 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.040 the mountain side closer to us, and I shot mine 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.920 at like four fifteen or something uphill twenty mile an 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.200 hour wind. Felt great about the shot. Yeah, just had 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.320 a window, and the one in the back, the elk 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.639 in the back, stopped to look at us one last time. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.520 And that was the last decision he ever made. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.040 Jihanny, you should close your ears, you should close years 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.079 for this. But I recently declared Cory the best elk 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.480 hunter in the office. You think that's true? 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:58.079 Oh? 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:58.560 We kind of. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.000 Oh look at that face. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.280 Yeah, he didn't agree. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:02.799 I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.160 make the guy feel bad. If you gave him that title, 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.360 then he shouldn't, you know, take wrong with it. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:10.480 Make a counter argument. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.160 Oh, I don't really want to do this right now. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.960 Because who would you say? Okay, if Corey's won. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.240 What makes him or one B kill themselves? 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.320 And to be clear, Corey didn't make this declaration, I 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:26.799 know declaration. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.119 Then now you're asking me to tell you why he's 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:29.839 not the best one. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:30.679 Yeah, I am. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.639 I'm gonna pass. I like Corey my buddy. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.280 Okay, well who's who's one? B if Corey's one? 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.960 A Oh boy, I haven't thought about this. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:39.800 Uh. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.520 I think I think we have a lot of good 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:42.320 elk hunters. 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:42.800 Okay. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.640 The thing about being a good elk hunter or what 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:50.920 can it make you seem? What was going on over here? Folks, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:55.240 you're live? Put your headphones actually here. I never cut 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:55.720 to this camera. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.480 I'm gonna cut to Kurn's camera here for your sex 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:58.640 so she can explain herself. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:03:59.320 There she is. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.360 I was on Instagram looking at our Meat Eater live promo, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:06.880 just working and. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.320 Jimmy's first olt. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.040 Congratulations Jimmy, Yah and Karen bailed out Yanni from having 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:13.840 to talk about the best No. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.760 But I'll tell you, I mean, it's just so gray 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.159 and subjective because what can often seem like someone is 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.680 a great elk hunter is because they have extreme knowledge 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:28.880 about a certain area. Right Like, I know a guy 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.520 that kills a bowl every single year, and he probably 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.160 kills that bowl within five hundred yards of the spot 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:36.680 he killed the bull the prior year, You know what 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.800 I mean? Does that make him a great elk hunter. 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.720 He kills a bowl every year, but does it make 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:43.760 him a great elk hunter? You know what I'm saying. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.120 So I think you just really have to look at 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:51.160 like a wide you know, like what's the entire you know, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:58.640 elk hunting sort of repertoire experience, Like how many different 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.480 states has a guy killed a bull elk? You know, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.120 how many different weapons? I don't know a lot of things. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.039 Think think through about that, be think Corey he's a 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.279 good elk hunter for sure. I mean I've hunted elk 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.080 with him for a couple of weeks. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:13.599 Now my life. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.400 Yeah, and you were successful on one of those outings. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:17.919 That's right, good point, Corey. 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:19.680 Spencer. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.839 I heard you just harvested a big game animals. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.039 Interesting, you know. Tyler says, congratulations. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.800 Oh, thank you? Tyler wurts uh, thank you? 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:28.040 Yeah? 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.680 Who's he saying congratulations to Spencer? 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.719 Comma, congrats on the Nebraska mule deer I just killed 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:35.479 My biggest was. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.239 That place that happened while you think, Well, that happened 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.400 while Corey was saying, Hey, I heard you just killed 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.839 a buck, and there was already a comment I had it. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.599 Tyler probably saw it on Spencer's Instagram and. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.039 Now eleven six I see. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:54.680 It was a nice buck. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.160 Thank you. That was my biggest mule ever hunting Western Nebraska. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.880 I haven't gotten many days of the mule deer rut 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:07.479 like that, where it was just like bucks were on 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.279 their feet all the time. Every group of does very 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.160 reckless and sometimes like deer hunters can curse the run 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.800 that it makes things too random, where it puts deer 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.880 in places you wouldn't expect to see them. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.160 Not for mule deer, though. 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.640 Maybe not for mule deer. And I'm not nearly as 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:27.920 experienced at hunting muli's as I am whitetail, but there 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.400 can be a point in the white tail rut where 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.120 you're like, all the bucks are somewhere else, in a 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.279 place that they aren't normally found. They're bedded down in 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.800 a grassy fence row right now with some dough. They're 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.000 they're sitting in a wide open egg field that was 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.880 just cut and it just doesn't make sense because it's 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.320 the rut. This was the best mule deer rut though, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.960 that I've ever gotten to experience. It's like just what 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.480 you want. Every group of does had a big buck 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.360 they were reckless, they were on their feets, they were 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.280 visible at all hours of the day, and it was 0:06:58.360 --> 0:06:59.839 just a ton of fun. So I was happy I 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.200 got to experience that killed the biggest mu leaue, one 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:03.760 of the biggest mu leaus I've ever seen. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:07.239 Now, was that the first decent buck you saw? Because 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.120 You're not much of a passer, and so I'm wondering, like, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:11.720 was it so good that you were, like, you know, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.080 I'm gonna let a few of these medium bucks go. 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.440 That day, I had seen about fifty deer. I killed 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.680 that buck probably fifteen minutes into shooting lights. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:22.560 It was. 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.800 It happened quick, and I saw a handful of other bucks. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.360 I wouldn't have passed on some bucks that were a 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.160 little smaller than him, but that that was an easy 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.320 decision to make. I passed on a few smaller bucks 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:37.560 the day before. But it's also I have permission from 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.320 a rancher in Nebraska who has a lot of ground, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.920 so I'm fortunate to look at a lot of deer 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.160 when I'm there, so I know that that bucks like 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.760 this exist in places where I can hunt, and in 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.880 that case, it makes it easier to, you know, wait 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:51.640 for a big one. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.960 You want to talk about some lockdown going on. If 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.560 you live in Bosman, Montana right now, you can drive 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.240 just about anywhere in this town and find a white 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.720 tail buck down on a dough. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:02.440 Give me an example of where you've seen him. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.360 Where. Yeah, pick a golf course in this town. You 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.040 can see it there. I don't know what's the one 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.680 on Kegie is a value view? 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.560 Oh yeah, that one's like kind of private. That that's 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:14.360 a weird golf course. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.040 But I got an invite actually yesterday to go play. 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.720 And when I get invited in this summer, I'll have you. Yeah, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.120 not to play yesterday, but I got the invite yesterday 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.440 for next summer. But when I go play, I'll be like, hey, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.240 can we bring another guy? I'll bring you along. You 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:33.080 do that, I would just say, cagy, yeah, just if 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.520 you just run kegye And if you don't see a 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.080 buck lockdown on a dough, then your eyes don't work. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.440 Last thing here, Yanni, before we do our first interview, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.120 your dad has a correction or something to add about 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.080 thermals from the thermal discussion we had when he when he. 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.760 Called, he was pretty fired up. He's like, you guys 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.000 almost had it right, oh, And I'm like, okay, well 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.439 what did we miss? And like I said, this is 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.800 the reason that I was fussing a pill a little 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.160 bit when he picked the thermal thing, because I said, well, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.480 this is like a three hour show. We can discuss thermals. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.360 But my dad said the important part that we miss 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.240 that might help people understand why this whole thermal thing 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.520 is working and why it actually does happen on flat ground. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.640 And you don't know that he got me for saying 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.920 it really only works when in hilly country you're on mountains, 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.200 which isn't quite correct. You maybe experienced this hunting white 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.120 tailed deer in flat country. But so the first part 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.880 is that what is it that's actually getting cold or 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.240 when it gets in the air gets cold, why does 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:41.480 it sink? Right, Well, it gets denser because the moisture 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.600 in there, right, that's what's causing it to sink. When 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.120 it warms up, that moisture in there is becoming less 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.120 dense and causing it to rise, which is why if 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:55.480 you were in a tree stand on completely flat ground 0:09:55.600 --> 0:10:00.320 with zero wind you might experience it where on a 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.080 super cold morning before the air has started to heat up, 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.200 that your scent would be dropping straight to the ground. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.319 Not good. But then maybe later in the morning, just 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.199 you know, an hour later, as the day starts to warm, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.040 the air is actually just moving straight up above you, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.280 and so you'd almost be invincible when it comes to 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:23.880 like scent because there's no wind blowing it northeast west, south, 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:27.920 and the thermal would just be picking it straight up 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.280 and taking it up into the atmosphere. 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:31.600 Yeah, you think we covered it now. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.080 I don't know, do you. 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.480 Pot is Popayanni listening right now? 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.200 You thin no? He's in deer camp in Wisconsin right now, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.720 and there's poor service there. 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.920 So Popayanni, when you hear this, you let Yanni. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.400 Know if forgot it, if I got it. 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.520 Yeah, all right, moving on, joining us on the line. 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.720 First is the three time World goose Calling Champion John Walls. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.760 John just won the Super Bowl of Goose Calling for 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.520 the third straight year. John, Welcome to the show. 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.760 Hey guys, thanks for having man. Really appreciate it. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.280 John. First thing, tell us about the competition. How do 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.720 you get to the World Championship? How are the callers judged? 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.040 How do you prep for this thing? 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.720 So the World Championship Goose Calling contest is open to 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.560 any caller. You don't have to you know, be invited, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.120 have an inmitation, or win a contest throughout the year 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.840 to be entered into the world goose. Anybody can show 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.000 up and blow in it. How it's judged, You got 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.520 five judges. You have to tell a story to The 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.360 judges are a questioned, they can't see you. The contest 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.680 is made up with three rounds and they do the 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.280 Olympic scoring system. So the first rounds judge seventy to 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.360 eighty points, second round is eighty to ninety, third round 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:47.480 is ninety two one hundred. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.720 Each judge will give a caller a score. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.880 Once all five scores are tallied, they'll throw out the 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:55.959 highest and the lowest score. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.959 Keep it three in the middle, and those points accumulate 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:00.960 through three. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.200 Rounds and at the end of the third round, if 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:05.840 you're lucky enough to make it, if you have the 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:06.800 most points. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.120 Here the winner. Yeah, pretty, it's pretty cool. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.080 And for the judges, do you think that their ear 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.520 can pick up on who that caller is? Do you 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:18.520 think they know this is John, that's Tim, that's Bob, 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:23.720 or does it all sound you know, very different to them. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:24.600 It depends. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.680 So like for the World Contest, you have judges from 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.200 all across the country kind of, but there was a 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.680 few local ones and they've been doing it long enough 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.960 to where you know, certain callers have certain styles, certain sounds. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.680 They can pick up on it as me as a 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.000 as a competitor. I know, if I was judging the 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.560 World Goose seventy five percent of the callers while they 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.199 were doing their warm up, I can tell you who 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:47.559 they are. 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.240 Wow, which you know it kind of there's a curve 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:52.160 all into things. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.320 You deal with a little bit of politics there with 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.640 judging a little bit, but I mean with social media 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.920 and just all this content and stuff of you know, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.280 people blowing Goose calls, it's become that way. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.480 Unfortunately, I got a question how close do they put 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.319 the judges from the callers, because my gripe sometimes with 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.559 some of these contests is if the caller is blowing 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.680 like towards the audience and the judges are behind them, 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.920 or if even if they're directly in front of them, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.760 versus like I always feel like the judges should be 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.040 at the back of the room, which is sort of 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.680 the distance that a goose would hear you're calling from 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:32.120 right and adding that more air between their ears and 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.280 your call would sort of I don't know. I think 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.440 it would help for them to pick out the nuances. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:39.760 So where do they put the call the judges? 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:42.800 So that's changed over the years. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:47.120 The World Goose Call Championships held in a high school auditorium, 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.960 and you know that auditorium was built for you know, acoustics, sounds, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.240 But to me, I swear that stage was built for 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.959 contest goose callers because it's just absolutely incredible and they're 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.840 the sound, the echo, just everything about it's awesome. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.440 For the longest time, when you. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.760 Walk out on stage, the judges were sitting behind you, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.040 and then up till this year, for about four years 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.240 the judges were right on the other side of the state, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.960 so you're pretty much standing right in front of them. 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:17.760 Obviously they can't see you. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.160 But this year they put the judges in the far 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:25.360 back corner of the auditorium. And there's pros and cons 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:26.960 to it, but overall, I think it was better. Like 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.040 you said, you just get a better overall sound. The 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.440 way the sound echoes off the walls in the room, 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:33.680 it's just a little bit better. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.400 But yeah, the judges were in the far back corner 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:36.520 of the auditorium this year. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.440 And do you show up there knowing the routine that 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.720 you're going to do? Note for note and call for call. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.360 I do yup up to my warm up? I mean 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.360 everything about it. I know every single note of my routine. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.560 I know exactly where I need to take my breast, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.240 how much of a breath I need to do. I've 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.880 been doing this for eighteen years, so it's kind of 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.720 like second nature to me now. But I'm definitely a 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.200 note for no caller. There's certain callers that are, you know, 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.520 sequence callers are just just kind of, you know, wing 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.640 it when they're up there. But me, I know exactly 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.200 where I need to be and when and what I 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:08.560 need to be doing now. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.120 Phil robertson one set, and it's one of my favorite 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.920 quotes that that revolves around hunting. He said that a 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.440 live mallard wouldn't place in a duck calling competition. Can 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.760 you explain what he meant by that and how calling 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.720 in a competition is different than calling in the field. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:28.160 Sure, yeah, he's He's absolutely right too, especially with the 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.320 duck calling. It definitely has its place in the goose 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:31.880 calling world. 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:32.080 Too. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.320 For competition style duck and goose calling, it's not really 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.040 trying to sound like the real bird. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.800 It's an operating contest. 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.160 You know, how well a caller can operate the call, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.600 push the call to the limit, you know, have confidence 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.440 in it, having flow and speed, and just showing your 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.440 overall you know, ability to do everything you can on 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.600 a call. But there is contests out there that they're 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.920 called live contests. They're a little bit shorter in time, 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.000 and the main goal in those contests are to sound 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.040 like a live hen mal or a couple of Kennedys. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.280 And do you still get humbled by geese when you 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.560 go hunting? Or do you fool them every single time? 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.120 Now there's days man, well they they'll just fly right 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.280 by and flip me the bird literally. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:19.680 All right. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.920 Three straight wins at the World Goose Calling Competition for 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.920 short read that is something that has never been done before. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:26.680 What do you do next? 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:26.800 Then? 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.360 Are you gonna go win a fourth next year? 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.840 So I'm officially retired. Part of the World Duck and 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.880 Goose Calling Championship rules is if you win three, you're retired, 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.880 So I'm officially done. You know, people have their opinions 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.440 on that. I think it's pretty cool. It's been that 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.520 way forever. You know, you shoot for winning three and 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.760 then you're done. But I'm gonna miss it, you know, obviously. 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.280 But I am able to blow in the Champion of 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.440 Champions contests. So everybody that's won at least one World 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.120 Goose is able to blow in this contest, and they 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.960 hold that every five years, and actually it's next year 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.800 in twenty twenty five, so I'll be able to compete 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.119 in that, and then, uh, if I'm fortunate enough to 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.280 win that, I'm officially done competition goose calling on the 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:11.919 world stage. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.119 Okay, we're gonna be cheering for you. Now, what what 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.359 makes you better at calling geese than everyone else in 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:18.040 this competition? 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.520 You know, I don't. I wouldn't say how I'm better. 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.919 It's just how I've convinced those judges that, you know, 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:29.240 I sounded the best that day. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:29.439 You know. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.439 It's subjective, opinion based, you know, So it's it's just 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:35.879 I try to stand out a little bit more than 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.119 everybody else. Like I said, the judges are from all 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.960 different parts of the country, and they're used to hunting 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.160 different subspecies of geese which sound different. You know, geese 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:47.840 are different from all over the world. Even though they're 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.480 all goose, they're they're a little bit different. So just 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.480 having different cadences, different tones and stuff. I just try 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.040 to throw a little bit of everything in my routine 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.280 just to cover all the bases and and try to 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.000 convince them that I sounded the best of that day. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.200 John, We got a lot of people in the chat 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.320 today who were asking for tips. So give us some 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.320 tips that goose callers of all skill levels could use. 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.840 You know, if you're trying to advance, I would definitely 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.160 try to get one on one, you know, lessons from somebody. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.679 There's tons of stuff on social media on you know, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.040 people showing you tips and tricks on how to blow 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.520 a goose call. But you know, listening to a video 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.679 it helps, but having somebody one on one there that 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.880 can see what you're doing, give you a little tips. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:34.760 And tricks right in person is so much better. 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.879 And you know, even me, I mean, yeah, I'm the 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:39.960 world champion this, you know for the third time, but 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:41.960 you know, I'm no better than the next guy. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.000 I'm still learning stuff on a goose call to this day. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.680 You know, different cadences, different notes, different just all sorts 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.960 of different things. This thing as an instrument, it's like 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.000 a guitar. You know, there's so many different things you 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.879