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Speaker 1: Smell Us. Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia Meater Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain

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Speaker 2: Time on November twenty first, and we're live from Meet

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Speaker 2: Eater HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer Newhart,

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Speaker 2: joined today by Jannis Putellus and Corey Hawkins. On today's show,

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Speaker 2: we'll interview the three time world goose calling champion John Walls.

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Speaker 2: Then we have a rought report from Mark Kenyon, followed

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Speaker 2: by one minute fishing with Seth Morris. After that, we'll

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Speaker 2: have a chettiquet about Finders Keepers Rules. Then we'll interview

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Speaker 2: Jared Sullivan about his new book, Valley Solo, and finally

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Speaker 2: we'll look at a listener's drunken tattoo of penguins. But first,

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Speaker 2: Cory's going to regale us with tails from his recent

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Speaker 2: elk hunt.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, thanks, Spencer. Finally harvested my general Montana bull

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Speaker 3: elk last week.

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Speaker 1: How many years did that take?

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Speaker 3: Felt like multiple? But it was a long archery season.

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Speaker 3: I passed up a lot of elk and had a

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Speaker 3: lot of close encounters with my bow as you did

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: No, you got one last year, didn't you will your bow?

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Speaker 3: I'm two years in a row filling my general elk

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Speaker 3: tag with a bowl. Yeah nice, but yeah. I went

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Speaker 3: out with a couple of colleagues actually to try and

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Speaker 3: harvest a cow for a non resident colleague of ours

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Speaker 3: who had a cow tag, and all we saw were bulls.

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Speaker 3: So three bulls come up over the hill and I

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Speaker 3: was able to drop one of them that stopped at

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Speaker 3: four hundred.

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Speaker 2: Yards in a new spot for you.

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Speaker 3: It's a spot I've hunted before, but it's one of

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Speaker 3: our colleagues secret go to late season elk spots that

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Speaker 3: he was.

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Speaker 2: Held a few people in the office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were blindfolded until the sun came up. And

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Speaker 3: then as soon as the sun came up, looking through

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Speaker 3: the snow, I saw three bulls come over the hill

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Speaker 3: and it was pretty hard to say no this late

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Speaker 3: in the season. So filled my freezer.

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Speaker 2: What was the one that you killed? His size versus

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Speaker 2: the other two?

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't get a great look at any

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Speaker 3: of them. It happened so fast they came up over

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Speaker 3: the hill. At first I thought they were other hunters

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Speaker 3: on the skyline. It was just it was dark enough

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Speaker 3: and there was a blizzard happened and snow was blowing sideways,

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Speaker 3: and they were probably five hundred and fifty yards. At

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Speaker 3: one point they saw us, and they actually skirted across

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Speaker 3: the mountain side closer to us, and I shot mine

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Speaker 3: at like four fifteen or something uphill twenty mile an

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Speaker 3: hour wind. Felt great about the shot. Yeah, just had

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Speaker 3: a window, and the one in the back, the elk

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Speaker 3: in the back, stopped to look at us one last time.

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Speaker 3: And that was the last decision he ever made.

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Speaker 2: Jihanny, you should close your ears, you should close years

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Speaker 2: for this. But I recently declared Cory the best elk

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Speaker 2: hunter in the office. You think that's true?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: We kind of.

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Speaker 1: Oh look at that face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: make the guy feel bad. If you gave him that title,

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Speaker 1: then he shouldn't, you know, take wrong with it.

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Speaker 2: Make a counter argument.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't really want to do this right now.

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Speaker 2: Because who would you say? Okay, if Corey's won.

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Speaker 3: What makes him or one B kill themselves?

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Speaker 2: And to be clear, Corey didn't make this declaration, I

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Speaker 2: know declaration.

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Speaker 1: Then now you're asking me to tell you why he's

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Speaker 1: not the best one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass. I like Corey my buddy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well who's who's one? B if Corey's one?

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Speaker 1: A Oh boy, I haven't thought about this.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we have a lot of good

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Speaker 1: elk hunters.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: The thing about being a good elk hunter or what

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Speaker 1: can it make you seem? What was going on over here? Folks,

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Speaker 1: you're live? Put your headphones actually here. I never cut

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Speaker 1: to this camera.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna cut to Kurn's camera here for your sex

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Speaker 6: so she can explain herself.

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Speaker 1: There she is.

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Speaker 7: I was on Instagram looking at our Meat Eater live promo,

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Speaker 7: just working and.

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Speaker 8: Jimmy's first olt.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations Jimmy, Yah and Karen bailed out Yanni from having

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Speaker 2: to talk about the best No.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, I mean, it's just so gray

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Speaker 1: and subjective because what can often seem like someone is

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Speaker 1: a great elk hunter is because they have extreme knowledge

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Speaker 1: about a certain area. Right Like, I know a guy

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Speaker 1: that kills a bowl every single year, and he probably

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Speaker 1: kills that bowl within five hundred yards of the spot

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Speaker 1: he killed the bull the prior year, You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Does that make him a great elk hunter.

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Speaker 1: He kills a bowl every year, but does it make

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Speaker 1: him a great elk hunter? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: So I think you just really have to look at

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Speaker 1: like a wide you know, like what's the entire you know,

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Speaker 1: elk hunting sort of repertoire experience, Like how many different

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Speaker 1: states has a guy killed a bull elk? You know,

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Speaker 1: how many different weapons? I don't know a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: Think think through about that, be think Corey he's a

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Speaker 1: good elk hunter for sure. I mean I've hunted elk

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Speaker 1: with him for a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Now my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were successful on one of those outings.

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Speaker 2: That's right, good point, Corey.

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Speaker 9: Spencer.

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Speaker 3: I heard you just harvested a big game animals.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, you know. Tyler says, congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you? Tyler wurts uh, thank you?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Who's he saying congratulations to Spencer?

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Speaker 2: Comma, congrats on the Nebraska mule deer I just killed

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Speaker 2: My biggest was.

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Speaker 1: That place that happened while you think, Well, that happened

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Speaker 1: while Corey was saying, Hey, I heard you just killed

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Speaker 1: a buck, and there was already a comment I had it.

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Speaker 6: Tyler probably saw it on Spencer's Instagram and.

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Speaker 2: Now eleven six I see.

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Speaker 1: It was a nice buck.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That was my biggest mule ever hunting Western Nebraska.

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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten many days of the mule deer rut

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Speaker 2: like that, where it was just like bucks were on

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Speaker 2: reckless and sometimes like deer hunters can curse the run

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Speaker 2: that it makes things too random, where it puts deer

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Speaker 1: Not for mule deer, though.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not for mule deer. And I'm not nearly as

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Speaker 2: experienced at hunting muli's as I am whitetail, but there

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Speaker 2: they're sitting in a wide open egg field that was

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Speaker 2: just cut and it just doesn't make sense because it's

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Speaker 2: the rut. This was the best mule deer rut though,

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Speaker 2: that I've ever gotten to experience. It's like just what

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Speaker 2: they were reckless, they were on their feets, they were

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Speaker 1: Now, was that the first decent buck you saw? Because

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Speaker 1: You're not much of a passer, and so I'm wondering, like,

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Speaker 2: That day, I had seen about fifty deer. I killed

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Speaker 2: It happened quick, and I saw a handful of other bucks.

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Speaker 2: the day before. But it's also I have permission from

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Speaker 2: that case, it makes it easier to, you know, wait

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about some lockdown going on. If

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Speaker 1: you live in Bosman, Montana right now, you can drive

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Speaker 1: just about anywhere in this town and find a white

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Speaker 1: tail buck down on a dough.

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Speaker 2: Give me an example of where you've seen him.

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Speaker 1: Where. Yeah, pick a golf course in this town. You

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Speaker 1: And when I get invited in this summer, I'll have you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Last thing here, Yanni, before we do our first interview,

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Speaker 2: thermals from the thermal discussion we had when he when he.

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Speaker 1: Called, he was pretty fired up. He's like, you guys

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Speaker 1: almost had it right, oh, And I'm like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: what did we miss? And like I said, this is

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Speaker 1: this is like a three hour show. We can discuss thermals.

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Speaker 1: But my dad said the important part that we miss

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Speaker 1: And you don't know that he got me for saying

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Speaker 1: it really only works when in hilly country you're on mountains,

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Speaker 1: which isn't quite correct. You maybe experienced this hunting white

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Speaker 1: is that what is it that's actually getting cold or

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Speaker 1: when it gets in the air gets cold, why does

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Speaker 1: it warms up, that moisture in there is becoming less

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Speaker 2: First is the three time World goose Calling Champion John Walls.

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Speaker 2: John just won the Super Bowl of Goose Calling for

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Speaker 2: the third straight year. John, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 9: Hey guys, thanks for having man. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: So the World Championship Goose Calling contest is open to

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Speaker 9: Each judge will give a caller a score.

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Speaker 9: Here the winner. Yeah, pretty, it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: And do you show up there knowing the routine that

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Speaker 10: I do yup up to my warm up? I mean

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Speaker 9: It's an operating contest.

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Speaker 2: And do you still get humbled by geese when you

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Speaker 10: Now there's days man, well they they'll just fly right

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Speaker 11: All right.

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Speaker 2: Three straight wins at the World Goose Calling Competition for

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Speaker 2: What do you do next?

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna go win a fourth next year?

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Speaker 10: So I'm officially retired. Part of the World Duck and

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Speaker 10: So I'm officially done. You know, people have their opinions

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna be cheering for you. Now, what what

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Speaker 9: You know, I don't. I wouldn't say how I'm better.

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Speaker 10: You know, if you're trying to advance, I would definitely

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Speaker 10: There's tons of stuff on social media on you know,

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Speaker 9: And tricks right in person is so much better.

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Speaker 10: And you know, even me, I mean, yeah, I'm the

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Speaker 9: I'm still learning stuff on a goose call to this day.

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Speaker 2: You know, Can you play for us an award winning

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Speaker 9: I'll do an abbreviated part of a routine for you.

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Speaker 12: What wow, beautiful, that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like multiple.

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Speaker 2: I feel spoiled. We just got an exclusive show, uh

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Speaker 2: from the best goose caller in the world. Congrats again

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Speaker 2: for doing something that's never been done before by winning

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Speaker 2: enjoy your retirement and thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 9: Appreciate it, guys, Thank you very much. You'll have a

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Speaker 9: good one.

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Speaker 1: Thanks John.

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Speaker 2: Thanks John.

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Speaker 7: People in the chatter as saying that they're gonna take

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Speaker 7: this part of our podcast and just play it outdoors.

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Speaker 2: That might work.

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Speaker 1: Make sure that's legal in your state before you do it.

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Speaker 1: That gave me goosebumps.

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Speaker 6: Wow, I've got a lot of honking for a bonking

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed I wasn't here that day for that tattoo.

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Speaker 2: That was so good.

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Speaker 6: It's it's great. Every time I see a goose now

443
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 6: just walking around town, it's that's the only thing I

444
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 6: think of it. It's the only thing I about a thinking

445
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Speaker 6: for the rest of my life.

446
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sad I missed it. What episode was that.

447
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,959
Speaker 2: Somebody had a tattoo that I don't know if they

448
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: said they regretted it, but they shared it with us,

449
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: and it was it was like a crudely drawn, childlike

450
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: effort at a making a goose. And then it said

451
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 2: honking for a bonkin. I don't think you need any context.

452
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: I think people wanted context, but you don't need any

453
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: context for that. It's just downright funny, all right. Our

454
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Speaker 2: next segment is the rot Report.

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Speaker 1: Well we should find tail run.

456
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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's already here.

457
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Speaker 13: You shit, du tasu bye, cause your kids, goodbye, decide

458
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Speaker 13: to desert you.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that rut rule. The rout report is

461
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Speaker 2: where Mark Kenyon gives us a white tail hunting forecast

462
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: for each region. Take it away, Mark.

463
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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, Mark Kenyon here from Wired Hunt, coming at

464
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Speaker 4: you with another whitetail rut report. And as you can see,

465
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Speaker 4: I am reporting from my home office, and that's because

466
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Speaker 4: my own personal rut marathon is tailing off, as is

467
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Speaker 4: the rut for many parts of the country. Now the

468
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 4: southern United States is a little bit unique, but for

469
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Speaker 4: the northern two thirds of the country, we are now

470
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Speaker 4: coming down off the bell curve of running activity. Over

471
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Speaker 4: the last two weeks. There's been a lot of seeking,

472
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Speaker 4: a lot of chasing. The peak of breeding happened for

473
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Speaker 4: most states right around the middle of November. We are

474
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Speaker 4: tailing off of that, so there are fewer do available

475
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Speaker 4: to breed now than there were, and because of hunting,

476
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 4: especially gun seasons opening, there's also a lot fewer bucks

477
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: out there to do the seeking and the chasing and

478
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 4: all that kind of good stuff. So the key things

479
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 4: to know about the rut for the next week to

480
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Speaker 4: two weeks is that it.

481
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Speaker 1: Is slowing down.

482
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Speaker 4: You're not gonna see as much activity as maybe you

483
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 4: saw the first week or second week of November, but

484
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 4: it is still happening. There are still some doze in estrus.

485
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Speaker 4: And the key thing here is that the big old

486
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Speaker 4: bucks know that. So this last week or two, right

487
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Speaker 4: around Thanksgiving, give or take, is a notorious time to

488
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: catch a very big, very old buck on his feet

489
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: doing the zombie walk, just cruising from betting area to

490
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Speaker 4: betting area. So here's the thing to think about. Spend

491
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Speaker 4: as much time as you can out there, be out

492
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Speaker 4: there midday if possible, and be in thick cover away

493
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Speaker 4: from hunting pressure in betting aears. That's where it's gonna

494
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Speaker 4: be here for these final weeks of the rut. Good luck.

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Speaker 2: Yanni is heading out on his second run cation into

496
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin this year. Does that sound right? You think that's

497
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Speaker 2: what you're gonna see this week when you're out there.

498
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: I sure hope. So some of them in Wisconsin I've

499
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: heard have the attitude of like, man, every minute that

500
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: goes by, you know, after opening the opening bell of

501
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: the opener, like your odds just go down, down, down,

502
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: down down. But I don't really believe in that. And

503
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Speaker 1: this year we're spending Thanksgiving there in camp, Like my

504
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: family is joining us next Wednesday. So I'm gonna hunt

505
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: pretty close to every day of the of Wisconsin's nine

506
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 1: day gun deer season. And yeah, I'm looking forward to

507
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: exactly what Mark's talking about. Like I won't be hunting,

508
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, dawn to dusk every day, but I'm definitely

509
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna be putting a couple hours in and it doesn't

510
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: matter if it's going to be a daylight or at noon.

511
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out there and you know, peak around

512
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully find zombie buck.

513
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Speaker 2: I think those pessimistic hunters you're talking about that would

514
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: be true if you're hunting on public land forty minutes

515
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: it's from Milwaukee. But if you have a private piece

516
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: of ground to yourself that is well managed, yeah you

517
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: can feel optimistic for that whole week of Thanksgiving.

518
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah well, I mean yeah, right next to a big

519
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: metropolitan area maybe, but there's other public land around. And

520
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: according to the people I like to listen to, they're like,

521
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: by Thanksgiving, the dear pretty much a're back.

522
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Speaker 2: To normal, we hope. So for your case, thank you.

523
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil what's

524
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Speaker 2: the chand have to say, Yeah, We've.

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Speaker 6: Got a couple things I just wanted to shout out. First,

526
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Speaker 6: Joe just had a baby with his wife did and

527
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Speaker 6: he's also there. He's listening from the hospital.

528
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Speaker 2: Congrats Joe, Congrats Joe.

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Speaker 6: We've got another hospital listener from ant Man says he's

530
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Speaker 6: listening from the hospital because his spouse just got done

531
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Speaker 6: getting her gallbladder taken out. So shout out to the

532
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 6: husband's out there supporting, supporting their wives, but also not

533
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Speaker 6: paying attention to them. To listen to media to radio,

534
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Speaker 6: You're doing great. See Garrett's wondering Spencer, why you strongly

535
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 6: favorite deer hunting.

536
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like what I'm familiar with.

537
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: It's what I grew up doing. I also like to

538
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: solo hunt a lot, and it is daunting to, you know,

539
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: going out trying to kill an elk when you're by yourself.

540
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: Deer hunting is also what I love about whitetails is

541
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Speaker 2: you're hunting the same animal whether you're in Maine or

542
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: Saskatchewan or Texas. And I like to travel around and hunt,

543
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: and so I think I think those are my favorite

544
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Speaker 2: things about deer hunting.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to put any of you on the

546
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Speaker 6: spot to actually do a call, but Jeremiah's wondering what's

547
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 6: the best call each of you can do if you have,

548
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 6: if you're proud of anything, any skills you have, and

549
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 6: you can show them off if you like to.

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Speaker 8: You don't have to.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Johanna, you got the far away out call right.

552
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: If you can do a spot on weed eat or call,

553
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't help much in the woods.

554
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 9: Uh huh.

555
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear that. What's my best call? I

556
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: don't know.

557
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: Probably Steve always hypes up your far away elk call.

558
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that's it's just like a fun.

559
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I thought, look at doing a spot on

560
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: weed eater. That's just a fun thing as well.

561
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: One time I called in heard though by whistling. It

562
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: only happened once. I've tried tried it since, but no results.

563
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably an elk or a turkey would

564
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Speaker 1: be my best call.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I can do an okay, uh hen

566
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: turkey call with with just my mouth with no calling.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good.

568
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, Corey. You got any uh any

569
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: calls at your best?

570
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: At man?

571
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: I feel like just estrous cow calls. I can't do

572
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: it with just my mouth a diaphragm, and I have

573
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Speaker 3: called in a pretty sizable bull elk with a blade

574
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Speaker 3: of grass. Oh, I didn't have any calls on me?

575
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: Hell yeah? And then what happened?

576
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't seasoned yet unfortunately too, so we just watched

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: him walk five years.

578
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Speaker 1: That's why he's the best elk hunter in the office.

579
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Speaker 6: Chris is asking if you would cut around suspected tapeworm

580
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 6: CIS and a deer liver or just pitch it.

581
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: I I don't know enough about tapeworm CIS, but yeah,

582
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm probably not keeping that, you.

583
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Know, that's funny. We just got a text from can

584
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Speaker 1: I do I have enough time to find it?

585
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: You can address it later in the show.

586
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you can.

587
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: You can look for the text now.

588
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look for the text now.

589
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Corey and any thoughts getting rid of that thing? Yeah,

590
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 2: not risk it.

591
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: A lot of Yanni Central content people are asking about

592
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 6: getting some fuzz here on if anyone's phone is near

593
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 6: the mics.

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Speaker 1: We're live, folks getting something. I'll try to I'll try

595
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: to find I'm just on internet. We'll troubleshoot. Great.

596
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 6: Danish I'm guessing is asking if we could get some

597
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 6: gear talk segments on radio live. And I'm mainly throwing

598
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 6: this out there because we've I think it's a great idea.

599
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 6: That idea, Yeah, it's a I don't know if you're

600
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 6: aware this, honest, but we've actually talked about maybe doing

601
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 6: something like this. We're pitching the show is bringing gear

602
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 6: talk stuff back. So is that something you'd be interested in?

603
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Sure?

604
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, future segment we're gonna have Yanni talking gear.

605
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 6: Quick five minute gear and we will do one more. Mainly,

606
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 6: this is going to be a promo. I'm setting you up,

607
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 6: be honest, Yannis, what's the hunting fishing, like in Latvia.

608
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 6: He's visited family in Lithuania before and they got a

609
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 6: few yellow perch. Is there anywhere this person could go

610
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 6: Villius Vilius to find some quality Latvia and hunting content.

611
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well I've made two episodes about hunting in

612
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: Latvia which are on meter YouTube channel now, and there's

613
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: also an upcoming episode. I don't know, it'll probably be

614
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: out sometime in twenty twenty five where I hunted this

615
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: past summer. But it was It's great hunting. It's not

616
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: as difficult, I would say, as most hunting here. I

617
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just it's a small place in Critics

618
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: just don't seem to be able to get away from you.

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00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: They're allowed to use thermals.

620
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: You described it for like it's some gloves off situation. Yeah,

621
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: Like the goal is.

622
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: To kill an animal, yeah, for sure, for sure. But

623
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: yeah I've hunted red deer there and pigs and raccoon,

624
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: dogs and road deer, which I killed one this summer

625
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: which was cool, kill a full grown buck that was

626
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: only fifty pounds. You can do that, Cameron Haynes thing,

627
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, you throw them on your shoulders and walk

628
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: out really easily with those little road deer.

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Speaker 2: Did you do that?

630
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Speaker 9: I did.

631
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Speaker 2: The other thing I know about hunting in Latvia is

632
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: that Yanni smoked a cigarette. There was that a celebratory

633
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: cigarette or was just like it was part of the culture,

634
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: so you thought you should have one.

635
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Speaker 1: So that was my first trip ever there. It was

636
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Speaker 1: literally my first five hours, maybe three hours of being

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Speaker 1: in Latvia. And so yes, I was celebrating sort of

638
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: a homecoming in a way, and.

639
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: You wanted to smell like Latvian.

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00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: We were sitting outside of this, you know, late night

641
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: Pete's joint, and joined some beers with some friends I

642
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: hadn't seen in a decade or more, and uh, you know,

643
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: my crew from meat Eater was there. We're having a

644
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: great time and some gals next to us are smoking

645
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: up cigarettes one after another, and I just thought, you know,

646
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: when in Riga, h have a cigy was it satisfying? No,

647
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: it was a bad decision. I also told you take

648
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: me four days to brush that taste out of my mind.

649
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: He might get mad at me for bringing this up.

650
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 6: When we went to uh to Venice for the for

651
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 6: the Mediat Experiences, Randall was technically on vacation. So the

652
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 6: first thing we did on the way to the marina

653
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 6: was stop at a store so Randall will get a

654
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 6: pack of cigarettes.

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00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: I think he told me he smoked too, And then

656
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: through the rest of the back way.

657
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Content that's vacation behind the sea we need on media radio.

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Speaker 7: I'm just going to chime in for two things really quickly,

659
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 7: Vilious shout out to you my paternal grandfather's Lithuanian. And

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Speaker 7: then also, I want to go back to the tape

661
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Speaker 7: worm larvas cyst. So a friend of mine, Kristen, shot

662
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Speaker 7: deer and sent me a photo of you know, it

663
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 7: looks gross little white cists like rice looking things in

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Speaker 7: her liver, and she wasn't sure what that was. So

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Speaker 7: I sent a picture to Jim Heffelfinger and he said

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Speaker 7: that the tapeworm larvas cysts are harmless to humans, but

667
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Speaker 7: don't let your dog eat it. Okay, I mean you

668
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Speaker 7: may not be wanting to eat that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But if you trust the world's best to your biologists,

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Speaker 2: then go ahead and enjoy that liver, but don't let

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Speaker 2: your dog. All right, Moving on, our next segment is

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Speaker 2: one minute fishing.

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Speaker 1: Do I feel lucky?

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Speaker 14: We'll do you unk, go ahead, make my cast.

675
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: One minute Fishing is where we go live to someone

676
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish,

677
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars

678
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: donate to a conservation group. This week, our angler is

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Speaker 2: Seth Morris who's on the Gallatin River in Montana and

680
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Speaker 2: he's fishing for a donation to Whileyes Unlimited. Seth, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 11: How's it going, guys?

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Speaker 2: Going good? Seth had to go to a river today

684
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Speaker 2: because all of the still water in Bozeman is now

685
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Speaker 2: frozen up. Seth, Uh, what's the tactic we're using today

686
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Speaker 2: to catch a trout?

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Speaker 11: Well, I got the old trusty spinning rod again. I

688
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 11: got a spoon on. It's called a nitty one. I

689
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 11: don't hope you can.

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Speaker 1: See that made in Pennsylvania.

691
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Speaker 11: I used to catch a lot of trout in Pennsylvania

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Speaker 11: on this thing, So we're gonna give it a shot.

693
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Speaker 11: I will admit we have been fishing here for the

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Speaker 11: last twenty minutes and haven't caught anything.

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00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: So you're gonna keep doing the same thing, or you're

696
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: trying something different. For one minute fishing.

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Speaker 11: I just recently switched up to this made a couple

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00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 11: of casts. So okay, well see there's actually risers right now.

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: I should have but yep, heard that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we see what we can do.

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Speaker 2: Corey. Uh it's now winter in Montana. You've got rising

702
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: fish there on the gallats. And what would you be

703
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 2: doing if you were trying to catch one of these things?

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Speaker 3: Oh, tie on a little size twenty blueing olive.

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Speaker 2: Okay, dry fly, m.

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Speaker 11: I will say there there has been fly fishermen here

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Speaker 11: the whole time we've been here.

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Speaker 1: They haven't caught anything.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, well, Seth is they're gonna show them

710
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Speaker 2: up right now. Seth, you're one minute of fishing starts

711
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Speaker 2: when you make your first cast. Go ahead, all right,

712
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: let's do it.

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Speaker 1: They're getting fooled by those risers. You know, there's like

714
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Speaker 1: ten percent of the fish or eating those bugs on

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Speaker 1: the surface, the other ninety percent or eating the the

716
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: uh emerging emerging bugs in the water column.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're just seeing the tails go back down. Perhaps

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Speaker 3: maybe you'll hook a big old mountain white fish for something.

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Speaker 1: Sex snagg it in the tail.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seconds in one cast down, he's not jerking at all.

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Speaker 2: Looks like he's fishing a little slower water off of.

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Speaker 9: The main current.

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Speaker 3: Here, nice little back eddie.

724
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Speaker 2: Twenty five seconds to go before you, seth. He's e fishing.

725
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Speaker 2: He's not like Randall getting his lure hung up in

726
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Speaker 2: the trees. Ten seconds to go, seth.

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Speaker 1: That's a good angle. It's tough.

728
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Speaker 2: Time is up. No donation today for Walleyes Unlimited.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a whole lot of hope.

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Speaker 9: But we're dry.

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Speaker 2: Well. Next time we're gonna send Corey out there. He's

732
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Speaker 2: gonna have his fly rod and he's gonna show you

733
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Speaker 2: and those other fly fishermen how it's done.

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Speaker 11: No, I think next time we should punch a few

735
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Speaker 11: holes in some ice there you go.

736
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Speaker 2: I imagine on the mead theater pond there's like what

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Speaker 2: inch and a half of ice right now. So we're

738
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Speaker 2: gonna have to wait another a couple of weeks.

739
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Speaker 1: Probably, Yeah, it'll freeze up quick.

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Speaker 2: All right. Thank you for joining us, seth.

741
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Speaker 6: Uh.

742
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Maybe catch one of those and send us a photo.

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Speaker 4: We'll do.

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00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 3: Thanks you guys, you made that look way too easy.

745
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: In Louisiana a couple weeks ago, Yanni, you.

746
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Speaker 2: Were you were definitely chumming the water before that, right.

747
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's we're fishing at a fish cleaning station.

748
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: Water is constantly chummed.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh yeah, yeah, That'll probably the only time we

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Speaker 2: have somebody catch like six fish in the one minute

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Speaker 2: fishing segment.

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00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: Well, we also had two anglers going after it. But yeah,

753
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: if there was a place where it was just about guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: that was it.

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Speaker 2: All right. Our next segment is from Chester Floyd. This

756
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Speaker 2: is Chetticutt c g T qu you.

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Speaker 1: E t t E find out. Bud means to me

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Speaker 1: c g t A c you t T take care of.

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Speaker 2: This week, Chester is answering a listener's question about finders

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Speaker 2: keepers rules in the Alaskan backcountry.

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Speaker 15: Take it away, chet, Hello, everybody, my name is Chester

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Speaker 15: Floyd and I'm coming at you from a basement in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 15: And this week's Chettikit comes to us from Cooper, and

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Speaker 15: Cooper writes, I've been an Alaskan hunting and fishing guide

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Speaker 15: for twelve years, and I'm generally against do it yourself

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 15: moose hunts for various reasons. In September of twenty twenty three,

767
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Speaker 15: a group of three men did a DIY moose hunt

768
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Speaker 15: on a remote river. They successfully harvested a legal bowl,

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Speaker 15: but due to their inexperienced navigating, they hit several log

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Speaker 15: jams and in the end had to call for a

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Speaker 15: helicopter rescue in Alaska. That meant leaving all their gear

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Speaker 15: and even the moose behind. In August twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 15: I took my jetboat up the same river, found the

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Speaker 15: rafts and even spotted the moose racks still attached to one.

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Speaker 15: Just as I was about to give up, I noticed

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Speaker 15: something red sticking out of a log jam, and after

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Speaker 15: scavenging the area, I recovered about ten thousand dollars worth

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Speaker 15: of gear, including optics, a bone my size, and other equipment,

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Speaker 15: though no rifles. Both items were still in working condition

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Speaker 15: and I split them up amongst the guys and packers.

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Speaker 15: Now I'm wondering should I have made an effort to

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00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 15: contact the hunters and return their gear or does finders

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00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 15: keepers apply here?

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Speaker 9: We Cooper's getting.

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Speaker 16: Tired of moose trip guys saying that they can roll.

786
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 16: It's only DIY and float trip guys are always rolling

787
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Speaker 16: rafts in the river holes.

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Speaker 9: Super is a hunting who in Flora yet bull ride.

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Speaker 9: Believe it or.

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Speaker 16: Not, you found those raps and I'll be damn the

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Speaker 16: moose racks still attached. When you're on a moose trip bowl,

792
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 16: you better keep the damn thing a float. Oreo by

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Speaker 16: Rite of Tears, handsome guy named Cooper will be drinking.

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Speaker 9: You're still cold?

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Speaker 4: Why.

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Speaker 15: I think it's wonderful that you went in there and

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Speaker 15: got all that inevitable trash off the river. I think

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Speaker 15: if you want to keep that stuff, you shouldn't feel bad.

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Speaker 15: But I'm going to tell you what I would do.

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Speaker 15: I would call that guy or try and contact those

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00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 15: fellas and let him know what you got. There's a

802
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 15: chance that those guys might say keep some of it.

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00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 15: There's a chance they might say they want it all back.

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00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 15: Who knows. They were inexperience. They probably shouldn't have been

805
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Speaker 15: doing what they were doing. But I don't know if

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Speaker 15: I could live with myself with all that stuff of

807
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Speaker 15: theirs and not be thinking about it for a long

808
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 15: time to come. If I found a wallet in a bar,

809
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 15: no matter how drunk the guy was or something, I'd

810
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 15: call the guy and try and give it back. This

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Speaker 15: is way different, and it was like a year later,

812
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 15: and it would have been just left there for trash.

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00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 9: So, like I said, you want to keep that.

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00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 15: Stuff, I don't think you should feel too bad about it.

815
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 9: They left it there, but I would call him personally.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Chester a beautiful and clever song from him

817
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Speaker 2: to recap. We had some DIY moose hunters in Alaska

818
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: who got in a bad place, had to call for

819
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Speaker 2: a helicopter rescue. And then it sounds like a year later.

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Speaker 2: Like a year later, a guide went in there and

821
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: found their gear and moose rack and took some of

822
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: it with him. Thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: I pretty much agree with Chester. But if I was

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Speaker 1: gonna call him and they were like, oh, we'd like

825
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: our gearbag, I'd be like, Okay, well this is what

826
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna cost you. Otherwise I wouldn't give it back

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Speaker 1: to him.

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Speaker 2: Corey, you guided some days in your life. What do

829
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Speaker 2: you think about this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I found a lot of river booty in my

831
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 3: time on the rivers, and I give you some examples. Well,

832
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: let's see, I used to guide in the Bob Martial

833
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: Wilderness and we would do seven day pack trips and

834
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: saw a guy lose all his stuff. He slipped on

835
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Speaker 3: a rock, lost stuff including his rod, and he was

836
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: like flagging us down like, hey, help me look for

837
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Speaker 3: my rod. And we never found it that day. But

838
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Speaker 3: a week later, when we came back in and threw

839
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: down on the river, we knew that there was going

840
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: to be fishing stuff there. The river had dropped quite

841
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: a bit late summer, and so between myself and another

842
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: guide we were kind of racing to get down there

843
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: to see who could find anything. And sure enough, there

844
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: was the tip top of a flod sticking right there

845
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: and I was able to grab it. Beautiful sage rod.

846
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: I still have it to this day. Hell yeah, And

847
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: I just put out a Craigslist notification that I found

848
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: this in the middle of the Bob Marsha Wilderness and

849
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: anybody wants it back. I got it and never heard anything.

850
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: And then I found rods in the Gallatin or along

851
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: the Gallatin on Highway one ninety one and put out

852
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Speaker 3: a Craig Craigslist ad and the guy got back to me.

853
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: Damn gave me fifty dollars for finding easily two thousand

854
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: dollars worth of gear sitting on the side of the highway.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think in all of those instances that's

856
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: the right thing to do.

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00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: This one's different, though, but again.

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Speaker 1: Here it's like these boys should have the right thing

859
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: they should have done is to hire somebody to go

860
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: back in there and get their junk out of the woods.

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Speaker 1: They just left it.

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00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think this guy said he came back in

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00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: August to get him. We don't know when those moose

864
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: hunters were there, but probably the fall before. Yeah, so

865
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Speaker 2: he You know, those guys had all summer to either

866
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: come back themselves or send someone else in there to

867
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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty frustrating, little wanton waste too, leaving all

869
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Speaker 3: that moose meat back there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a unique chettiquette, right, And normally the

871
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: chettiqut questions like what happens if someone sits one hundred

872
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: yards from me on public land? We're never going to

873
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: get another one like what we just had.

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Speaker 1: I do think I would like to add that I

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Speaker 1: don't think that the guy should be too upset or

876
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: or not. You know, pro DIY moose hunts sure because

877
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Speaker 1: of events like this. I mean, it's events like this

878
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Speaker 1: to actually make a DIY moose hunt the adventure that

879
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: it is, because there is the chance of this happening

880
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: and you have to go in there and face those

881
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: hurdles and face those challenges, and you know, some people

882
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: may not be prepared for it, and they're gonna have

883
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: to get you know, air lifted out or whatever. But

884
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: I hope that people go and keep trying to do

885
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: adventures like that forever, you know, and hopefully some will fail.

886
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, like the guy we interviewed the other day

887
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: on the Meter podcast. Do you try to live in

888
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: the woods on a river near him? Found him dead?

889
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: Oh?

890
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Not, everybody's cut out for it.

891
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 6: Sneak sneak peak for an episode that won't be airing

892
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 6: for several weeks.

893
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you Cooper, Thank you Chester. Joining us

894
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: out on the line. Last is author Jared Sullivan, who

895
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: just released his new book, Valley So Low. It's about

896
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: the Kingston, Tennessee Fossil Plant disaster, which was the worst

897
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: coal ash spill in American history. Jared, Welcome to the show.

898
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 5: Hey, y'all, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

899
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: First thing, Jared, give us some background on the Kingston

900
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: fossil Plant.

901
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

902
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 9: It was.

903
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 5: It's a huge Colpire power plant built by the Tennessee

904
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: Valley Authority, which is like an cornerstone of the New

905
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 5: Deal created by FDR TVA helped lift the South out

906
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 5: of poverty during the Great Depression by basically throwing up

907
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 5: all these hydroelectric dams than coldpire power plants brought industry here.

908
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 5: So over several decades, coal ash is like the what's

909
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 5: left over when you're burning cold the electricity. It's like

910
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: a city sandy gross stuff. It's full of arsenic and

911
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 5: silica and radium, just like nasty gross stuff. So this

912
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: a big pile of it had accumulated over five or

913
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: six decades. And this pile was six stories tall and

914
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 5: eighty four acres around, and in the middle of the

915
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 5: night in December of two thousand and eight, this big

916
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 5: thing just collapsed into the middle of the river or

917
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 5: cover it into a river, but also covered a bunch

918
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 5: of land. It covered three hundred acres in this gross

919
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: coal sludge. So my book, that's kind of where it starts,

920
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 5: is this big mountain of coal sludge collapsing it kind

921
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 5: of it kind of goes from there and follows some

922
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 5: of these some of these workers in an attorney who

923
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: get involved in the fray and with this coal ash.

924
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: What impacts does that have on soil, water plants, animals.

925
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's like nasty stuff.

926
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 7: Man.

927
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 5: It's like you wouldn't you don't want any anywhere near you.

928
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 5: I found old newspaper dispatches from our local paper here

929
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 5: in Nashville or fishermen and back in the sixties complaining

930
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 5: that it's killing fish tied to their stringers as there

931
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 5: as they're going down the lake and fishing and stuff. Yeah,

932
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 5: it's like it's just full gross stuff. So basically what

933
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: happened after this big mountain of bash collapsed, nine hundred

934
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: men and women from a cost the country to send

935
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 5: on the site to help clean it up. These blue

936
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 5: collar workers and TVA Tennessee Valley Authority and one of

937
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: the contractors basically just didn't supply them with respirators and

938
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 5: dust masks, and so these workers over a number of

939
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 5: years are just as are just inhaling this coal ash

940
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 5: stuff that's in the air. Because it started off really

941
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 5: mucky and sludgey all over the ground. But eventually in

942
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 5: Tennessee's hot, this stuff after a year or so under

943
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 5: the sun, it starts blowing around the job site. These

944
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 5: workers start inhaling it. They're inhaling arsenic and radium and

945
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 5: all this really really nasty stuff. So they fall sick

946
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 5: really really fast. And they approached this local personal injury

947
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 5: attorney and Knoxville named Jim Scott, who was kind of

948
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 5: the only person who would hear them out. He he's

949
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 5: not like a big hot shot lawyer binding me. He

950
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 5: has a little office in Knoxville, like in a strip mall,

951
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: and he he's not the most like organized attorney, but

952
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 5: he had a lot of heart, and he listened to

953
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 5: these blue collar workers and went to bat for them

954
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 5: to try to get them damages. So my book's kind

955
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 5: of like a legal thriller in that regard.

956
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Give us some examples of the fallout for these people

957
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: who worked to clean up that coal ash man.

958
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 5: I should say a lot of these people were sportsmen,

959
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 5: like one worker I followed in particular name. His name

960
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 5: is Ansel Clark. He's passed away. He's like a big

961
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 5: squirrel hunter. He liked to go a shoot. Squirrell took

962
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 5: a twenty two magnum on the Cumberland Plateau here in

963
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 5: East Tennessee or in East Tennessee. Within a couple of years,

964
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 5: Ansel heart failure, canest of heart failure, lung problems. He

965
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 5: eventually gets He eventually got this really rare form of

966
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 5: blood cancer, and he had a stroke in twenty twenty

967
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 5: one and died. So more than fifty of these workers

968
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: who helped clan up this this big mess are dead now.

969
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 5: So I really think it's American tragedy. TVA has done

970
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 5: a lot of good for this part of the country.

971
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: It's created a lot of beautiful reservoirs that are great

972
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 5: for fishing and all this stuff, but it has not, been,

973
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: in my view, a very good environmental steward in recent years,

974
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 5: which is a real shame.

975
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: And why wasn't this a bigger story when it happened.

976
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 2: If this was the country's worst coal catastrophe ever, why

977
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: sixteen years are most of us just hearing about it now?

978
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it was not only like the largest,

979
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 5: one of the largest coal disasters, one of the one

980
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 5: of the largest environmental disasters full stop in the United States,

981
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: one hundred times larger than Excellent Valide's. This coal last

982
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 5: sludge was a billion gallons. It could have filled the

983
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 5: Empire State Building four times over. I mean, it was

984
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 5: biblical in scope what happened, but it was this happened

985
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 5: days before Christmas, two thousand and eight, the New I

986
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 5: think the news media was slow to respond. Also, like

987
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 5: the there's a lot of other stuff happening in the country.

988
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 5: The economunists on its knees because of the financial meltdown,

989
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: Barack Obama was about to become president.

990
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 9: It was people.

991
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: I think people were just distracted, right, I mean, it

992
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 5: just people didn't have their arm, you know, we just

993
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 5: weren't falling with that closely. So And also like TVA,

994
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 5: they came out and said after this big, after this

995
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 5: all the sludge got everywhere, that it was not it

996
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 5: didn't pose a threat to the public. So I think

997
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: the media kind of went, Okay, great, like this isn't

998
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 5: this isn't that toxic, We won't worry about it. Well,

999
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 5: it turns out that that was not truthful at all.

1000
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: I found memos from the National Archives that show that

1001
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 5: TVA has known since nineteen sixty four that this coal

1002
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 5: ash slough stuff can peel the pant off your car

1003
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 5: and get you away at vegetables and your vegetable guard

1004
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: if it falls over it. So it's just just nasty,

1005
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 5: nasty stuff.

1006
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: Man.

1007
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: And you're a local to that area, Jared, what do

1008
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: you remember in two thousand and eight when this happened

1009
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: about the cold catastrophe.

1010
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: That's a good question. I grew up in south of Nashville,

1011
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 5: and I remember watching on the news and there's I

1012
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 5: would recommend your viewers go listen to pull the helicopter

1013
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 5: footage from that day. Man, it will stick with you.

1014
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: A billion downs of sludge over three hundred acres. So

1015
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 5: I remember, I remember watching this footage. I remember TVA

1016
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 5: people coming on television saying this stuff, Yeah, I can

1017
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 5: might contain some arsenic, but it's like it's like not

1018
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 5: a big deal. I remember them saying that. Then jump

1019
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 5: ahead ten years. I was an editor. First, I was

1020
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 5: an edit filming stream, but in twenty eighteen I was

1021
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 5: an editor at Men's Journal. I remember I came across

1022
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 5: these courtroom dispatches where these sick workers went to trial

1023
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 5: to try to get damages for their illnesses. So when

1024
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 5: when I read those dispatches, I knew exactly what the

1025
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 5: story was. I mean, I knew I remember the spill happening,

1026
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 5: and I just thought, this is a story I want,

1027
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 5: I want to dive deep into. So yeah, I spent

1028
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 5: five years reporting a book about what happened, and I

1029
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 5: kind of wrote it as a, like I said, a

1030
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 5: legal thriller following this kind of like small town lawyer

1031
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 5: trying to do right by his by his neighbors and

1032
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 5: by his community, and trying to seek damages for these

1033
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: for these workers. So yeah, the book's called Valley Solo,

1034
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 5: and I hope y'all hope your listeners check it out.

1035
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: And when viewed through the courtroom store that plays out

1036
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: in the book, do you feel saddened by our country's

1037
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: legal system or was it the opposite and you're encouraged

1038
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: because people like Jim Scott exist.

1039
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 5: No, it's pretty I'm pretty like No, it's I was

1040
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 5: already like pretty sally cynical, but when I started this project,

1041
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 5: it made me very cynical about the EPA, about their

1042
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 5: ability to monitor, protect to protect folks from from hazards.

1043
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: The EPA has had a good idea for a long time.

1044
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 5: But this coal lash stuff is toxic too, but it's

1045
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 5: not technically considered a hazards waste by the EPA, which

1046
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 5: is a shame because this stuff is nasty, It hurts

1047
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 5: the environment, it hurts people, It contaminates thousands of miles

1048
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 5: of American rivers each year. This coal lash stuff. There's

1049
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 5: seven hundred and fifty of these pawns throughout the United States.

1050
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: It's not just a Tennessee problem. It's a national problem.

1051
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 5: But EPA has been hasn't regulated it well enough to

1052
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 5: the detriment of wildlife into people. But yeah, it's also

1053
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 5: just a tragic legal tale. Like I mean, this is

1054
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 5: not a shocker, I guess, but like blue collar workers

1055
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 5: going up against huge, billion, multi billion dollar organizations, you

1056
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 5: know that billion dollar organization is going to win even

1057
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 5: if they even if the workers, even if the jury

1058
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 5: sides with the worker. These billion dollar companies they hire

1059
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 5: these slick lawyers and they can just appeal and appeal

1060
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 5: and appeal and appeal forever and basically and force you

1061
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: to capitulate. Basically like force forced the They forced the

1062
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 5: workers in my case to take a settlement that was

1063
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 5: in my viewway below what they deserved because they can

1064
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 5: just drive the case out forever. That's what happened in

1065
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 5: Exon Valadies too. You know the Excellon Validees wrecked that

1066
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 5: Alaska fishery. Well, a jury ruled against Exon in that case,

1067
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 5: but ex all went out and hired these slick lawyers,

1068
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 5: the same lawyer, and they could just drive the cass

1069
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 5: up forever. So eventually these Alaska fishermen just capitulated and

1070
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 5: they just took whatever because after a decade or so,

1071
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 5: they're like, we have to move on with our lives,

1072
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, we have to. I can't keep fighting exellon

1073
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: court in the same very similar story would happen with

1074
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: my book. Our system is not set up deal with

1075
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 5: disasters like this, in my view.

1076
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of reviews from people from Tennessee

1077
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: who thanked you for writing this book because it was

1078
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: a story that needed to be told. So I'm want

1079
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: to thank you again for giving a voice to those

1080
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: people who are impacted by the disaster. Valley Solo is

1081
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: available right now wherever books are sold. Jared, thanks for

1082
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: joining us in. Congrats on the book.

1083
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 5: Thanks y'all going to see it. Spencer, Thanks Jared.

1084
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 7: All right.

1085
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: Our next segment is Tattoos. I regret.

1086
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 14: Hello Darkness, my old friend. I've looked at my tattoo again.

1087
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 14: It really seemed such a good id when I was

1088
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 14: drunk last summer and the pizza tattoo says the first

1089
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 14: ander that will always find more bees.

1090
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 9: What the does that mean.

1091
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 14: It's a tattoo.

1092
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: We just need to come up with more segments.

1093
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Speaker 8: So Phil, that is just amazing.

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00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 7: No, you gotta you just gotta put every single jingle

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00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 7: like in one audio record.

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 3: That's it.

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00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: Phil said he had people complaining about the usual sound

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00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 2: that we use for tattoos. I regret so.

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00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 9: Person.

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name him.

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, that was beautiful.

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00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: This is his first name start with S and the

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00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: last name to start with R.

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00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 6: It's very possible.

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Speaker 2: Today's regrettable tattoo comes from Austin Tarby. If you have

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: a hunting or fishing related tattoo that you regret, email

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00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: us at radio at the Medeater dot com. All right,

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00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: Phil has now pulled up the picture of Austin's tattoo.

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00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 2: Here is his story. I have a hunting tattoo that

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00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I I regret. This tattoo was done on a drunken,

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00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: irresponsible New Year's Eve. For some reason, my buddy Kyle's

1112
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: parents thought that it would be a great idea to

1113
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: get him a tattoo machine for Christmas that year. Kyle,

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00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: who is one of the worst artists I've ever met,

1115
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: suggested that somebody should get new ink that night. His

1116
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: girlfriend then piped up by saying that she would love

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00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 2: to tattoo somebody. I, being drunk, young and dumb, it's

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00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: a dangerous combo, decided that I wanted a tattoo.

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00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Here.

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00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: I present to you my seagulls or penguins, which were

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00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: supposed to be cupping ducks. Luckily, this tattoo didn't cost

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00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: me anything, but it gets a lot of questions.

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00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 8: Wow, where's the placement, guys.

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00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: I was describing this beforehand. This is like a very

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: masculine tattoo to get of cupping ducks that you're about

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00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: to shoot in the face in a very feminine spot

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00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: like kind of on his hip on the front side,

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00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: lower than his name like appendixes.

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00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: Is that about the spot? Sure? Yeah, between the hip

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00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 1: bone and the belly button, leaning towards the hip bone

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00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: a little bit.

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00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's got four ducks there that are supposed

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00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 2: to be cupping. But as Austin described it, it looks

1134
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 2: more like penguins or seagulls.

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00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: I don't think the tat looks that bad, just the placements, don't.

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00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of negative space that isn't

1137
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 6: really working, like the one on the top right especially

1138
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 6: looks like a deformed penguin.

1139
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of looks like a petroglyph, which you know,

1140
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 2: like those people. Those people were taking rocks and carving

1141
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: things into other rocks, and.

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00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: Close enough that if you didn't know the contacts and

1143
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: someone just showed you that, you would say, hey, it's bad,

1144
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's cupping ducks, right, Sure.

1145
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 2: Costume is dignity. Yeah, that's the it's pretty expensive. Kyle

1146
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: is exactly the kind of person who would get a

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00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: tattoo gun from his parents for Christmas. If I were

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00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: picking one name, it would be that's totally a Kyle

1149
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: thing to do.

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00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: The nice thing about his cupping ducks. I think that

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00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: he could probably go to another tattoo artist with maybe

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00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: some better art skills and fix them up a little bit,

1153
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: add the feet dropping down, you know, maybe widen him

1154
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: out a little bit, and maybe add another one to

1155
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: fill in that negative space that Phil was talking about.

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00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: And I actually don't mind the location. I think when

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00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: you like hide a tattoo, it's like why did you

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00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: get one? When it's in a place where it's hidden.

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00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: It's pretty hidden. Well, I don't know if he lives

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: in a warm place where he's walking around without a

1161
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: shirt on all the time.

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00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: Plays a lot of shirts and skins basketball.

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: It would be worse if he had it like above

1164
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: his butt crack yah, yeah, on his back.

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 8: You girls get butterflies and flowers.

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00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: I think if there was a shotgun maybe on the

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00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: other side of the hip, Oh sure, with some you know, scatterblasting, or.

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00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: Even better, below the waistline, there'd be a dude coming

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: up out of a yeah. Yes, this is.

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00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: Free advice for you, Austin. So if you know other

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00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: folks out there in.

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00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: The bush, like you would say, yeah, oh no.

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: If other people have tattoos, they regret. We're just handing

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00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: out wisdom here on how you can make it better.

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: Yanni had some silver linings and and Corey pointed out

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00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: before the show that, uh, Santa Claus isn't carrying around

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00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: a lot of tattoo guns on Christmas Eve. So good

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00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 2: good on Kyle for for asking for that that year.

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00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, unique gift.

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00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 7: But there's some funny comments from the audience. There should

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00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 7: be reeds coming up out of the waistline, and Nick says,

1183
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 7: get appendus and have the doctors remove the.

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00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: Oh that's good. Keep it and you can see a

1185
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: picture of this tattoo on YouTube. So if you want

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00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: to enjoy looking at Kyle's waistline, which she's not Kyle's

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00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: Austin's waistline with us, you can go over to the

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00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: meat Eater YouTube channel.

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00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 9: All right.

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Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of the show. Phil,

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00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: what do we have from the live chat today?

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00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: Yiannis.

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00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 6: This guy Troy has asked multiple times if you specifically

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 6: are coming to Wisconsin for the whitetail opener on Saturday.

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00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: Yes, sir Troy, we'll fly in there tomorrow with my

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00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: oldest daughter. We'll be getting into camp about eight pm

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: and quickly packing our bags, making lunch and hitting the sack.

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00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: And we got a thirty minute walk to our stand.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be there right.

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 6: And squirrely, as they say on the internet, username checks out.

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 6: Canadian Hunter says listening to trivia is great, but sometimes

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00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 6: as a Canadian it's hard to answer a lot of

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00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 6: the American quot questions. I would love an episode or

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 6: two of Canadian focused questions. Is that something you would do?

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01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Spencer?

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01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: Canadian Hunter, I recently wrote a question for an episode

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01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: will record in a few weeks. That is all about Canada,

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01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: so I think you'll get that one right. Another thing

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01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: is we have crossword puzzles on our website now and

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01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: I did one that was just for Canada, So Canadian

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01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: Hunter twenty one, you should go play that Canadian crossword puzzle.

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: But to answer your question about a Canadian episode, probably

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: not going to happen, but I'll throw you little bones every.

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01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 16: Now and then.

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01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 6: Brent Reeves is bragging about some chili he made and

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01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 6: disappointed that he couldn't enter it into the contest we

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 6: had at the office yesterday.

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had twelve entries yesterday and our winner was

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: bree I think we had Logan get second and Tresa

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01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: get third. So I came back to defend my title

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: and it did not happen this year.

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Speaker 3: Brent on some of your bourbon cornbread with the chili,

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: it would have been delicious.

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: That could have won it for him.

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 6: Luke is asking Giannis, since you're in the process of

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01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 6: creating deer habitat, what trees would you recommend planting to

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01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 6: balance both longitivity and habitat or longitivity longeitivity of habitat

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01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 6: and timeliness of production within your own life longevity, that longrivity.

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01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Boy, I haven't gotten that far along in my deer

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01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: habitat creation process. Man, But if I had I think

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: just a little bit, I know, and we've certainly talked

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01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: a little bit about it is I'd probably just go

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01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: with some fruit trees of some sort and probably some

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01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: apples and find some apple trees that grow well in

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: my part of Wisconsin.

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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, whitetail hunters habitat managers will always talk about plugging

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: the lowest hole in the bucket that is your property.

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01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 2: So if your property is lacking fruit trees, then that's

1239
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: probably your answer. If your property is an area that

1240
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: historically has a horns, but you don't have any there

1241
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: right now, plant some oak trees look with at whatever

1242
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: you're lacking. That would be my advice.

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01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: Was I saying, longitivity you are?

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01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 6: I didn't even realize I was saying that, Wow, okay,

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01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 6: I think it might just keep also little stick with that,

1246
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 6: see how it works.

1247
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna bring it up, Phil.

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: Please correct me.

1249
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 6: I'd rather have someone correct me on the spot than

1250
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 6: me look like an idiot for the rest of my life.

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 6: Let's seego was asking if we're going to do any

1252
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 6: more Meat Eater.

1253
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: Movie Clubs because it's been a while.

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01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, next week we will not be live on

1255
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: Thursday because it's Thanksgiving, but we will still drop an

1256
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: episode of Meat Eater Radio on Thursday at eleven am

1257
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: Mountain Time on YouTube, with the podcast coming the next day.

1258
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: And on that episode there will be the return of

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: the Meat Eater Movie Club. Randall and the crew will

1260
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: be reviewing the nineteen ninety seven thriller The Edge, which

1261
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: you can stream on Amazon Prime, so mogor go watch

1262
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: it before Thursday's episode if you want to join in

1263
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: on the discussion.

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, and really quick. Unlike the last pre taped episode

1265
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 6: we did when we were in Louisiana, we couldn't stream

1266
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 6: that one live. Even though this is going to be

1267
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 6: pre recorded, we will be streaming it live, so the

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01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 6: live chat will be active. It'll be treated like a

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01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 6: normal show that's happening currently. So I'm going to try

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 6: to be in the live chat if i can get

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01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 6: away with it.

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: So I was going to say, if you don't like

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: your family, that would be a good place to hang out.

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it'll come to your own conclusion.

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01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 8: I'm going to have a very special guest.

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, a very special guests.

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, from the human species.

1278
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 2: For the Thanksgiving episode. What could it be?

1279
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: Bart the Bear? Probably a monkey?

1280
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Anything else?

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01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 6: Fell Uh, you know what, I kind of use that

1282
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 6: as sort of a way to transition to the outro here.

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: So also, you know, Black Friday is happening right now

1284
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: at Meat Eater. It goes through December second, it's our

1285
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: biggest sale of the year at First Light, FHF. Phelps,

1286
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: Dave Smith, Decoy's Meat Eater. And and this is new

1287
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 2: for this year, there's a photo contest starting on Monday,

1288
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: November twenty fifth, where people can submit their favorite hunting

1289
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 2: photos for a chance to win a bunch of sweet gear.

1290
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: So Black Friday sales happening right now.

1291
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: Go over to I think that's very shirt I'm wearing

1292
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: right now? Is half off?

1293
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: Half off?

1294
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: Is that right, Corey?

1295
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 3: I believe so it's a discount, But yeah, I believe

1296
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: you're right.

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: And he got a real compliment from that before we

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:30,919
Speaker 2: even knew it was it was half off.

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Speaker 3: It's a slick shirt.

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01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: Slick shirts for sale right now for Black Friday. Anything

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01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: else today, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know, No, you want to talk about anything else,

1303
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 6: you guess feeling.

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Speaker 3: Big football game in Montana this Saturday. Cat Grizz Go Grizz,

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01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: right everybody.

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01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm a Cats fan.

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I'm from Western Montana. So m hmm, grizz

1308
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 3: or die baby.

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: I'll be there.

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Speaker 2: I'll be there first, drow. I'm gonna storm the field

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01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: when we win.

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: Again, are for every game?

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01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: Every game I'm there, they win, they storm in the field. Well,

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't start storming of the field, right, It's like

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: the student section that floods out there. And then I'm like, yeah,

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 2: I'll get in on that. So are you too old

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: for that, Spencer?

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01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, wonder if you'll be tearing down

1319
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 3: the goal post and taken downtown.

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01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: I've been to three games. Would they storm in the field?

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01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: I think too? Brawl of the wilds and did they

1322
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: beat SDSU in the playoffs a few years ago? It's

1323
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: fun time.

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've never been that into the college football thing.

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: But when we were in for the live tour, we

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01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: were in Penn State at in State College. I interviewed

1327
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 1: a couple folks and I really got to experience just

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: the level of fandom and the passion there. One kid

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01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: told me. He's like, we're gonna win, and when we win,

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01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna storm the field. Then we're gonna pull down

1331
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: the goal post, and then we're gonna carry that goal

1332
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: post downtown.

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01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I love the passion.

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: That's what's fun about college football. Best fan in the country.

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01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: What happened at that football game?

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01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State beat them? Yeah, I was born, but it

1338
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: was so fun to see fun game.

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: Well, Montana, we don't have a professional team, of course,

1340
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: so this college football brawl of the wild is as

1341
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 3: big as it gets.

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 9: Yah.

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01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: I'll see you there on Saturday, Corey.

1344
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: Good day to go hunting too, because a lot of

1345
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: people be watching the football game.

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01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: You boys have fun, all right.

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: That brings this to the end of today's show. We'll

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01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: see you back here in the same time and place

1349
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: in a week.

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01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 8: Watch Mediata rough cuts.

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01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 14: Bye.