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Speaker 1: That's Giants. Get on my Giants bubble, give me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's role all right,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 1: York Football Giants. Joining us as the executive director of

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, the one and only Jim Naggy, who

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Speaker 1: has survived the seventy fifth anniversary of the Senior Bowl. Congratulations, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Hell of an event is always my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks John, No, it's good having you down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great being there. You guys obviously do

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Speaker 1: do a really nice job. And different challenges this year, right,

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Speaker 1: you had a bunch of guys that unfortunately got hurt

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Speaker 1: over the course of the week. You had to have

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Speaker 1: a defensive lineman switch teams basically on game day. What

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Speaker 1: was it like handling some of those challenges this year,

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Speaker 1: which can obviously be different depending on the year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the biggest thing was having the

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Speaker 3: seventy fifth anniversary, all those festivities going on during the week.

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Speaker 3: You know, for a six person staff, that was a

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Speaker 3: really heavy lift. So I'm really proud of the staff

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Speaker 3: while they came to get there. We had sixteen of

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Speaker 3: our all time greats down here, you know, obviously want

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Speaker 3: to give them vp first class experience. So to be

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Speaker 3: in the middle of our game week with one hundred

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Speaker 3: and thirty eight players and then bringing in these these

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Speaker 3: Hall of famers, yeah, it was it was.

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Speaker 2: A lot, but it was great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Friday night event, the Legends Gallo we

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Speaker 3: had was there's been a lot of people associated with

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Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl for decades down here and they thought

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Speaker 3: that was the best event we ever put on. So

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Speaker 3: Peter Schrager, knocked out of the park from the NFL Network,

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Speaker 3: did a great job. So yeah, there's always challenges, man,

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Speaker 3: There's always challenges every year. So it's, uh, it's never smooth.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to look smooth from the outside. But but

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Speaker 3: the staff did an unbelievable job and all the all

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Speaker 3: our volunteer committee just did a great job pulling together

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Speaker 3: like we do every year, and and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: have a great week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was definitely a mission accomplished. It all appeared

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Speaker 1: smoothly and nice. Cannthy Crow's concert Fighting through the rain

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Speaker 1: a little bit on Saturday right, So everything was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: You guys that did a heck of a job as

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Speaker 1: in terms of what happened on the field here, Jim,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the quarterbacks, because that's the first question

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Speaker 1: I always get from people, and my answer is always, guys,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. From my perspective watching I don't

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Speaker 1: try to take a ton out of the quarterbacks. They're

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Speaker 1: throwing the receivers they're not familiar with, they're learning a

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Speaker 1: new offense, are not familiar with. I'm sure the coaches

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Speaker 1: who are in the meeting room with them get a

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Speaker 1: lot out of it. You talk to them, you get

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Speaker 1: a lot out of it. But I think judging how

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Speaker 1: these guys are accurately throwing the receivers in offenses they're

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Speaker 1: bit too much out of that. During the week, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I do think there was a lot of completions, especially

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Speaker 3: the first day. Like usually, the balls are hitting the

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Speaker 3: I thought all the guys got a little bit better

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Speaker 3: every day. You know, Bo Knicks had a nice drive

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Speaker 2: And then I was talking to.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and you guys do a great job with that.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned getting exposure to these guys. The Giants had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we put those guys on different squads so they

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Speaker 2: So you know, Shae was on the National and Mike

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Speaker 3: I thought they did a great job. I mean just

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Speaker 3: They see this as a real opportunity. They took it seriously.

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Speaker 3: So but you know, you know, they they wanted to

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Speaker 3: But they did a great job during the week. The

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Speaker 3: was it was awesome. I really, I really do like

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Speaker 1: Last year, Yeah, I think it works really well. And

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Speaker 1: then he gives these guys a lot of exposure to

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Speaker 1: creates a lot of good connections. I'm with you. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I personally, I think that's the best

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Speaker 2: And they're hard to wrap up.

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Speaker 3: you know, Dylan alb we had a really good week.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing a lot of buzz about him. Just I'm

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Speaker 3: Monty Bailey from TCU had a really good game, did

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Speaker 2: And the game is big for the running backs. You know,

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Speaker 3: We try not to tackle to the ground in practice,

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Speaker 2: Running backs and Amani did some really good things.

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Speaker 3: I thought Isaiah Davis from South Dakota State, who was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, mention the linebackers. I'll just jump there

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Speaker 1: You're not hitting, you're not tackling. Wood linebackers jumped out

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Speaker 3: Well, the biggest one in the game was probably Cedric

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Speaker 2: They're just they're hard to find guys that can play

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Speaker 3: And that's why I think said's going to be one

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Speaker 2: So you know some other guys that stood out in

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Speaker 3: And I think Uh Bookie Watson from Misissippi State was

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Speaker 2: So those guys spared well. I thought they had a

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Speaker 1: You or anything from from your scatting friends about Payton Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's some medical stuff with him that I have

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Speaker 3: He did, and his his teammates voted him practice player

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Speaker 2: You know he could, He's gonna run fast, we know that.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately he got he got nicked on the last day

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Speaker 3: But you know, and that that kind of feeds into

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Speaker 3: the narrative unfortunately of of you know, him getting digged up.

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Speaker 3: But but a really good football player, a really high

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Speaker 3: was great for our staff, just great, great attitude all week.

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Speaker 3: We voted on a we had a we had a

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Speaker 3: connected to the Senior Bowl for about twenty years. He

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Speaker 3: And so he named a Good Guy Award after him,

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Speaker 3: and Peyton Wilson got a lot of votes for that.

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Speaker 2: He was he was a staff favorite down here.

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Speaker 3: I think cam Hart's another big, big corner from Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame who had a good week.

441
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Speaker 2: I mean, you bring up Kyrie Jackson's name.

442
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Speaker 3: There's people in Tuscaloosa, you know, this was this was

443
00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,399
Speaker 3: his only year at Oregon, so he was a he

444
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,679
Speaker 3: was a you know, a four year guy at Alabama.

445
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,040
Speaker 3: There was people that thought he was the most talented

446
00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,080
Speaker 3: guy in the DV room up there in Tuscaloos. And

447
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,159
Speaker 3: that's that's saying a lot you think of. I mean

448
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,960
Speaker 3: kool Aid, McKinstry, Terry On Arnold. So the guy Elijah

449
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 3: Jones from up your way at BC, he's another guy

450
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Speaker 3: that was a late add for us that I had

451
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Speaker 3: multiple NFL guys hit me up on the field and

452
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Speaker 3: they're like, really glad you brought the BC kid because

453
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Speaker 3: he's because he's shown up. So yeah, and then like

454
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Speaker 3: another name you didn't mention Shahwaite Smith from Washington State

455
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Speaker 3: as another Nickel player. I thought he and Jarvis Brownley

456
00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,360
Speaker 3: from Louisville showed up a bunch. But Shall had those

457
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Speaker 3: two picks in the game, which was cool to see.

458
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Speaker 3: I thought he got in on the eighty three yard

459
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Speaker 3: interception or turn. I thought they should have reviewed that.

460
00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,359
Speaker 3: We didn't have reviews in our game. I thought it

461
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Speaker 3: would have.

462
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Speaker 2: Been cool to have an eighty three yard pick six.

463
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Speaker 3: But no, I really like coming out of the coming

464
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Speaker 3: out of the week, I think there's a lot more

465
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Speaker 3: depth to the cornerback class than a lot of people

466
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Speaker 3: maybe thought going into the week.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's go safety is quick.

468
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Speaker 2: You know.

469
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Speaker 1: Javon Bullard, I know he's listened as a safety, but

470
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Speaker 1: he's basically a slot corner as well. What I was

471
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Speaker 1: impressed by him, Jim and I know, you know, there's

472
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Speaker 1: no pads on during the week of practice. That's fine.

473
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Speaker 1: His willingness to support in the run game I thought

474
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Speaker 1: was really good in some of those run game reps.

475
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Speaker 1: He's only five to eleven, one to ninety something, you know.

476
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Speaker 1: But I think as NFL teams look for these slot

477
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Speaker 1: guys that could do a little bit of everything. I'll

478
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Speaker 1: Brian Branch guys like that. I think he's a guy

479
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Speaker 1: that's really going to interest teams in terms of a

480
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Speaker 1: pretty versatile guy that can play that lot spot.

481
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Speaker 2: And so Tyke Smith from Georgia. I thought both Georgia

482
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Speaker 2: guys had really good week.

483
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Speaker 3: You know, Bullart was u bullet, was voted safety of

484
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Speaker 3: the Week by his squad, and again, like you said,

485
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Speaker 3: he can go back nickel and safety, and I think

486
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Speaker 3: Tyke was was mostly a nickel at Georgia, and he

487
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Speaker 3: was player of the Game for his squad, and he

488
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,280
Speaker 3: played a lot of safety, and I think he helped

489
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Speaker 3: himself lot. He had three pvus in the game playing

490
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Speaker 3: playing from depth. So uh yeah, I thought both those

491
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Speaker 3: guys had good weeks. Cam Kinchens from Miami, one of

492
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Speaker 3: the juniors, showed up a bunch. I thought Evan Williams

493
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Speaker 3: another guy that was kind of a laid out of

494
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Speaker 3: player from from Oregon who spent his first four years

495
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Speaker 3: at Presno. Evan had had a pick in the game,

496
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Speaker 3: almost had two picks in the game and did a

497
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Speaker 3: bunch of good things during the week. So that group

498
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 3: really got helped out by juniors. We had five junior

499
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Speaker 3: safeties in the game and and it certainly helped the

500
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Speaker 3: overall depth and talent of that group.

501
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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to the big people here, Jim,

502
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Speaker 1: you mentioned it, you could have a handful of first

503
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Speaker 1: round picks just on the offensive line bit self. So

504
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Speaker 1: your feedback on what you saw from this group in

505
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Speaker 1: the tackle class, UH, and then we can hit on

506
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Speaker 1: some of the guys individual as well. But what were

507
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Speaker 1: some of the scouts and talent of al evaluators that

508
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Speaker 1: your friends with UH were telling you about this offensive

509
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: line group when they watched him down there.

510
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's gonna be a run pretty early,

511
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 3: john on these on these often that this whole offensive

512
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: line class, not just the tackles.

513
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Speaker 2: It is a really good.

514
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 3: Tackle group, but there's some some really good inside players too,

515
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 3: like Jackson Powers.

516
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 2: Johnson for the two.

517
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Speaker 3: Days he was out there was was lights out at center,

518
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: probably put himself in position to be the first center taken.

519
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Speaker 3: And he came down here at the pre existing hamstring

520
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 3: injury and UH and and heard.

521
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Speaker 2: It even more.

522
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Speaker 3: But the fact that he came down here and did it,

523
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 3: like was already being mocked as the top fifty player,

524
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Speaker 3: you know, in consideration to be the number one center taken.

525
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 3: And he still came down here injured and played, and

526
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Speaker 3: he said, he's like, Jim, I don't regret I don't

527
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Speaker 3: regret this at all. He's like, I feel like I

528
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 3: did what I needed to do, had a really good

529
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Speaker 3: couple of days.

530
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Speaker 1: So yeah, he also did a guard too, by the way,

531
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Speaker 1: I think he showed teams he could be a guard.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He's a big dude, man.

533
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: I've never I've never been up on him before. I

534
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 3: didn't see Oregon play live this year, so yeah, big guy.

535
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we can get into the tackle class.

536
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 3: But I thought that they had an entire tackle class.

537
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Speaker 2: They all did good things.

538
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you before we get to the tackles.

539
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: Christian Haines out of Yukon, I got. I got admit.

540
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with him before I showed up

541
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Speaker 1: to the game, and boy, I thought a couple first day,

542
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of spots. Who was like, all right,

543
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: I'm getting used to this now, getting us to some

544
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: of these guys in one up against I thought he

545
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: was fantastic for most of the week.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a cool body type.

547
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 3: He's only like six two and a half, but he's

548
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 3: got really long arms, you know, so he's a good

549
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: leverage player.

550
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Speaker 2: Really, we really liked him in the spring when we

551
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Speaker 2: watched him.

552
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Speaker 3: He was one of the first guys I posted about

553
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 3: in this year's draft class.

554
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: You're right.

555
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,959
Speaker 3: After last year's draft, we started posting stuff on Haynes

556
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 3: and he reminds me of a guy Dylan Parham, who

557
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 3: we had in the game from Memphis a couple of

558
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: years ago, who starts for the Raiders. Was kind of

559
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, it was a third round pick. I think

560
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: that's probably I think Christian goes somewhere. On Day two,

561
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 3: he was again the defensive line for his squad booted him,

562
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, one of the practice players of the week.

563
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought he he handled himself really well

564
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 3: and he got some and he got some center reps,

565
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: which we didn't see him do a lot at Yukon.

566
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I had a really strong week. Yeah.

567
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Speaker 1: Another guy that I thought got a lot of reps

568
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,919
Speaker 1: a different spots which will help him is Isaiah Adams

569
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: out of Illinois, right, and he did that in college too.

570
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: Not a lot of not enough people in my opinion

571
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Speaker 1: talking about him coming out of that week. I thought

572
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: he did a really nice job he's a bigger guy.

573
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: He showed power. You play tackle, you play guard. I

574
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: think he even took a snap but center to during practice.

575
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Speaker 1: I thought he had himself a nice week two. To

576
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, he.

577
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: Had a great week. And we're talking to NFL teams.

578
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: I told Isaiah this, I said, I don't know what

579
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: you're saying in these interviews, man, but you're you're killing it.

580
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: I mean when I asked all these teams, like who

581
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: you know which offensive linemen are are impressing you in

582
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: the in the interview is Isaiah's name came up every

583
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: single time. And he he's another guy that was unbelievable

584
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: for our STAFP Like great attitude, great energy, a guy

585
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 3: you definitely want in your locker room.

586
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a guard. You know,

587
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: he played tackle.

588
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: Really out of necessity this year for Illinois, like took

589
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: one for the team. Knew he probably wouldn't. It wasn't

590
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 3: putting his best tape out there, but that's where Illinois

591
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 3: needed him. So again, that's another thing, like the NFL

592
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: teams understand that, and they're going to see that selflessness

593
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 3: your senior year to like you know, he could have

594
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 3: dug in and against Brett Bielaman and said, no, Brett, like,

595
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: I came back for another year and now you're playing

596
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: me out of position.

597
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Really, so now that's going to help him. I'm with you.

598
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: I think good eyes John, because I thought he had

599
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: a really strong week.

600
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: All right, offensive tackle. Here, let's go through some of

601
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: these guys. Let's start with Tyler. Geyton obviously showed the

602
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: athleticism strength and It's funny when I talked to him

603
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: and I asked him this, he goes, I wanted to

604
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: show a little bit of a nasty streak, you know,

605
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 1: after every rep was a little bit of a shove,

606
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: a little bit of a nudge, and I think he

607
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to show that he had that mean

608
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: streak to some of these evaluators.

609
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you get lost in the athlete. I mean,

610
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: and he's a he's an excellent athlete. I'm on record

611
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 3: saying I think he's the most talented tackle in the draft.

612
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: There's he can do stuff athletically that nobody else can do.

613
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: This guy glides when he's on the field, and so yeah,

614
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 3: I could see that too. There was a lot of

615
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: extra stuff after after the whistle well, that's fine, man.

616
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, that's what.

617
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: If that's what it brings some energy to practice, and

618
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: if that's what these guys feel like they need to

619
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 3: show down here, if that's the feedback his agents are getting,

620
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to be pigeonholed. It's just

621
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: like a great athlete and a finesse player. So yeah, again,

622
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: I think I think Guidan's got a chance to go

623
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 3: in the top ten.

624
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Morgan, I when I talked to him, he was

625
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: very clear to me that he's a tackle on that guard.

626
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: He didn't measure in just under thirty three inch arms.

627
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: What are you hearing from evaluators? Do they see him

628
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: as a tackle or a guard? And how do you

629
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: think they're going to view him when we get the

630
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: draft day and and and how do you think as week.

631
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, I don't know. I haven't talked to too

632
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: many guys about about Jordan. I will you know once

633
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 3: we once I get a chance to get through this.

634
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 3: And it was just it's so busy leading up to

635
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: the game, of course, but like December and January are

636
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: so busy for us.

637
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: But but no, I think you can play both. I've

638
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: said it before.

639
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 3: The guy he reminds me of was Matthew berger On

640
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 3: who he had the game last year from Syracuse, who

641
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: went early, early in the second round of the Falcons,

642
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: like thirty six maybe somewhere in there. And I believe

643
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: he started all seventeen games as a rookie for the

644
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Atlanta Falcons.

645
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: So but he started at guard.

646
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: You know, Jordan is a guy that it's kind of

647
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: like when Joe Toney was coming out of n C State.

648
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: You know, Joe is an.

649
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 3: Undersized guy, shorter arms, people picked him apart and now

650
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: he's settled in at guard. But you know, he's played

651
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: a lot of tackle. I think with Jordan, like that

652
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: doesn't show up on tape, like there's not to me.

653
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: I don't see a lack of length. He's he's really

654
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 3: patient in his sets and he's so reactive that he

655
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 3: stays in front of people, so you don't see like

656
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: you don't see guys get on his edges. And he

657
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: doesn't look like a stubby your guy. So I don't

658
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 3: know I would. I would certainly if I draft him.

659
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm drafting that guy to play tackle, and you know,

660
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: if I'm kind of one of those deals like make

661
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: him prove that he can't do it, because out there

662
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: at the college level, he makes it look easy out

663
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: there on the left side.

664
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Speaker 1: You mentioned upsided tackle, and I love watching Kingsley Suamatai

665
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: over the course of the week, Jim, he measured in

666
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: everything you want out of an offensive tackle. He can

667
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 1: move you see some of the hand placement things like that,

668
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: and need a little bit of work, but if he

669
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: figures things out, he's going to be a really good

670
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: starting goar on the NFL for a really long time.

671
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: I loved what I saw out of him.

672
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, really talented guy. Best football is way ahead of him.

673
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: You know, came out early as a junior. I think

674
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: even as representatives know that. You know there's some rawness

675
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: there to work through. But if you're a team that

676
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: has a vision for him and it's going to be

677
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: patient with him, and you feel like your offensive line coaches,

678
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, does a good job. I mean, shoot, two

679
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: or three years from now, you could be hitting on

680
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl level player. So yeah, I thought Kingsley,

681
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: I thought he got better every day. You know, watching

682
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: the big guys that they think he's a guy that

683
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: steadily got better. And I'll have to get back and

684
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 3: watch the the game copy of the game.

685
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: But uh, but yeah, I thought he I thought he

686
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: consistently got better.

687
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: And then finally Patrick Paul, I think another guy that

688
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I kind of put in that category. Right where you

689
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: see the frame, you see the I mean the armlengk

690
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. He's a big dude, a soft spoken guy

691
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: when I talked to him, but you know, he has

692
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: to put some things together, but he certainly has the

693
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: body type of the athleticism, and I think teams will

694
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: be willing to take a shot on on day two maybe.

695
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

696
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean the thing with the thing with Patrick gets

697
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: similar to like Geyton. He's so long, he's hard to

698
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: get around. Now, He's not quite the athlete that our

699
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: vender that Geidon is, but I thought I thought Patrick

700
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 3: showed some nastiness to him during the week as well,

701
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: you know, and I think that was one of the

702
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: knocks over the summer. I went into Houston in August

703
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: and spoke to him on the field and there was

704
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: a lot of scouts there that day, and h you know,

705
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 3: he was just like, where can I get better? And

706
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: I said, I mean, based off what I saw on

707
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: the feedback, you know, talking to other scouts like, man,

708
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: they just want to see it finish, you know, like

709
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: your your big talented guy, Like sometimes it looks like

710
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 3: it's too easy for you and you're on cruise control

711
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: a little bit. But uh, yeah, he came down here

712
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: with a really like an increased sense of urgency if

713
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: you will, and uh he makes it look easy and

714
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 3: passed pro in a league that everyone wants to throw

715
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: the ball around, like that guy's not He's not gonna

716
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: last very long. Because if you can find a guy

717
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 3: that can dance out there at left tackle, I mean

718
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: those guys, those guys go, they go quick. So like you,

719
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 3: like you just mentioned, could he be a Day one guy,

720
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: he could.

721
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: Man, it'll you know, it depends on where this tackle

722
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: run starts at.

723
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see it when you rewatch the practice davement

724
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: one of the one on ones, one of the defense

725
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: veends was get a little physical with him and he

726
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: bends up beating him on the rep and he kind

727
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: of just stare stares at him after the rep and

728
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you see that, and you can see

729
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: it that he's trying to show that intimidation. I loved

730
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: it because I'm with you. After I talked to him, like, man,

731
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: he almost seems too nice, you know what I mean,

732
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: you know what you're off. Its a lot to be

733
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: two dice. But then I saw that in practice and

734
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty cool. Two guys that I

735
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: thought really kept the energy up in practice, Jim, and

736
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you had any feedback on these guys

737
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: were the two LSU guys, Charles Turner and then Jordan Jefferson.

738
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: His teammate. Jefferson in a play. I think he ripped

739
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: off Christian Hayes's helmet on one of these reps. But

740
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: there always seemed to be a lot of energy and

741
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot of trash talk from those guys, and they

742
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of kept I think the group energized as the

743
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: as the days went along.

744
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles, Charles was locked in, man, and he was

745
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: I mean he again, I think he's a guy because

746
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: Charles is a really good athlete and he's a really

747
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: good zone scheme fit. It's really good laterally, you know,

748
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: the first tape we watched in here over the summer

749
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: was Alabama from last year, and gosh, he played his

750
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: tail off. But I think he's listed. He's heard the

751
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: knocks that like he's a little underbolt. He's you know,

752
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: strength deficient. I know lsu is trying to keep him

753
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: to stay so he could get you know, thicker and

754
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: stronger in the off season. And you know, so sometimes

755
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: when guys get pigeonholed, as you know, athletic zones type players,

756
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: you know, they want to show a little bit neat.

757
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: He was. He was. He was john pretty good and

758
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: I loved it. I didn't have any problem with it.

759
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: And uh, George Jefferson, man, like, there's certain guys every

760
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: year that show up here better than I gave him

761
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: credit for. They're just better players. That dude as strong

762
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: as an ox. He's got some knock back to him.

763
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: He can play with really good level. He's hard to

764
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: move all week. And uh yeah, you mentioned that one

765
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: rep with Christian Haynes where he got kind of locked

766
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: up with them and ripped his helmet off. But I

767
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: thought he was like a backup level nose and I

768
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised two or three years from No,

769
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: Jordan Jefferson's starting a nose tackle for somebody.

770
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: He is. He is a big, stout guy.

771
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772
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and he's very, very violent in a good way.

781
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: All right, defensive line, Let's set some of these other guys.

782
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: Two guys that were voted their practice players in the league.

783
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: Not surprising watching practice all week, Braden Fisk and Michael Hall.

784
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna put him in the same category, right,

785
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: is there these undersized, super quick guys who get off

786
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: the line quick and just get up field and to

787
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: your point earlier, it's a pass pro passing league. Now.

788
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: If you guys that can line up on third down

789
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: the three technique and play like that, they're going to

790
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: be valuable to teams.

791
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Braden Fisk probably helped himself as much as anybody

792
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: during the week.

793
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: You know, I think going in most teams probably were

794
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: hoping they could get him early day three, and I

795
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: don't see him getting out of day two, out of

796
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: the second round.

797
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: I think he probably moved a.

798
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: Couple of rounds for people's super disruptive, okay, really good

799
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: initial quickness he creates for other people. He creates havoc

800
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: and then and he can on and he plays his

801
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: tail up like second play of the game, you see

802
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: this guy flying up to.

803
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: The boundary and just blowing a run up, and I.

804
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: Mean, he's When he accepted his invite, he called the office,

805
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: which is cool.

806
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen very often.

807
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: And uh, because he didn't have my cell phone, so

808
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: he called the office and we spoke a little bit.

809
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: He wanted to thank you for the invite, and I

810
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: just said, man, I've never I didn't see those guys practice.

811
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: I went over to Florida State and saw I saw

812
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: them play bo tech. But I'm like, I haven't seen

813
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: you practice, man, But if you practice the way you

814
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: play with that energy like, you're.

815
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: Gonna make a lot of money down here.

816
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: And uh, I said, we need tempo setters like that

817
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: in practice, so come come here and do a good job.

818
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: And he did.

819
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: He was almost unblockable all week. I mean, the guy

820
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: was the guy was awesome. And I just being down there,

821
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, in the in the.

822
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: Scrum with with a bunch of the coaches.

823
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: He's a favorite. He's a favorite of the coaches that

824
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: were down there on the field that day. And Michael

825
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: Hall is a guy that, you know, a little inconsistent

826
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, a junior player that came

827
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: out early from Ohio State. Ohio State open up the

828
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 3: Brinks truck for their junior class. I mean they got everybody.

829
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 3: I think it's unbelievable. Man, I mean they got Treveon

830
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: Henderson to go back.

831
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: So well.

832
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 3: Michael Hall is one of the only Buck guys that

833
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: came out, and man, he did exactly what he needed

834
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: to do. He's super athletic. You saw it on flashes

835
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: and on tape. But he can bend.

836
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: He can he can turn the corner on people.

837
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: Just to really twitched up three technique again, has a

838
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: chance to be one of the better three techniques in

839
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: the league if he can maintain that level.

840
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: But he did exactly. He showed the teams exactly what

841
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: he needed to show. Legit legit pass rushability. Yeah.

842
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Two other different types of defensive tackles. Jim Devandre Sweat

843
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: obviously a monster knows. And then the guy that I

844
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: thought did well and I don't think not of people

845
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: have talked about him. I'm sure if you've got any

846
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: feedback on him is McKinley Jackson. I have Texas A

847
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: and m. I thought he was a consistent pocket pusher

848
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and he was able to move offensive lineman around.

849
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: Yep, no, I thought both those guys had a good week. Big,

850
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: big t you know. I think a lot of people.

851
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: I know that he he thought that people would think

852
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: he was going to tap out in the week, you know,

853
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: and he played all the way through the game. So

854
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: I think he proved a lot of people wrong right there,

855
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: big talented guy had a really good year this year.

856
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: A year ago he was on the board and he

857
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: didn't get an invite. We had him in like the

858
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: fifth or sixth round, if I remember correctly. He fell

859
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: kind of right below the cut line for US and

860
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 3: then comes back this year and wins a bunch of

861
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: major awards. I don't know, I mean, he was I

862
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 3: think he was Big twelve Defensive Player of the Year.

863
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's a massive dude.

864
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: He's gonna be the biggest guy in the draft, biggest

865
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: and probably the hardest, hardest to move guy in the draft.

866
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: So Ta and Andre did a really nice job. Man.

867
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I appreciated the energy he brought. He was another guy

868
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: with Charles.

869
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: Turner kind of kind of you know, talking a little bit,

870
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: which I love to see.

871
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got he's got a little something to him.

872
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: And then like McKinley, I thought McKinley was on the

873
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: ground a little bit day one and slinging people around,

874
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 3: and uh, I know the coaches weren't that happy.

875
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 2: They don't like seeing players on the ground.

876
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: But he did. He got better every day too. He

877
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: is a big, explosive guy. He used to call him

878
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: a pocket pusher. That's exactly what he is. I mean,

879
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: he's he's gonna be able to play and give you

880
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: something on third down because he's gonna he's gonna be

881
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 3: all to forklift dudes and walk him back to the quarterback.

882
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: And he showed that here. So big explosive guy. I

883
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: thought he had a good week.

884
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: It looked like someone got to and Andre mad at

885
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: the end of day one of practice. His first few reps,

886
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: he kind of playing and you're like, Okay, it's fine.

887
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: And then it looked like something like turned the key

888
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: on him, cause he started finishing some of these reps.

889
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: And I don't know if a coach said something to

890
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: him or whatever, but he I thought he really picked

891
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: it up as as the week went along. To be

892
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: honest with you, yeah, no, and.

893
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: He you know, back to my time in New England,

894
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 3: we used to always say there's certain guys that don't

895
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: grow on trees, and Andre Sweat doesn't grow on trees.

896
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: Like if he's gonna want to be there's a there's

897
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: a lot of teams that need that guy.

898
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: You know, the last team I worked for was Seattle.

899
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: I still watch a lot of Sea.

900
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: When I do watch NFL, I watch you know, I

901
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: watch a lot of Seahawks stuff.

902
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: Man, they could use that guy in the middle of

903
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 2: that defense.

904
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he is There's just there's not many like him,

905
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 3: so he's not gonna he's not gonna last very long.

906
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: I know that.

907
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you there all right, Darius Robinson. I

908
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: think he's right up there with with Mitchell and Powers

909
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Johnson as maybe the best player you guys had there

910
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: all week.

911
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think you're great.

912
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just really, you know, any won inside one outside

913
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: well with power, technique, speed, He kind of won a

914
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. What was your reaction to him?

915
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: And where do you think he's gonna fit best in

916
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: an NFL defense?

917
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: I mean, very similar to Vandre Sweat. He was another

918
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: guy that was eligible for US last year and we

919
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: didn't invite and had him in like that fifth fifth

920
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: round area and made a massive jump this year.

921
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: I mean he asked me.

922
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: After the game back at the hotel if I thought

923
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: he did enough to go in the first round, and uh,

924
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: I said, Darius, let me get through the tape, man.

925
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 3: But you certainly you certainly created a lot of buzz

926
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: down here. I mean he he was our overall practice player.

927
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: This week.

928
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: We have the guys vote on each other for the

929
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: regular practice players, but for the overall I reach out

930
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: to a front office person from every team, and uh,

931
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 3: I think Darius Robinson was got to vote from all day.

932
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: I haven't listed their top three, and I think he

933
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: was in the top three for all thirty two teams.

934
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he had a dominant peaks, He's scheme versatile.

935
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: It doesn't you know for a guy like again, just

936
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: bringing up the Seahawks again or the Ravens, like these

937
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: teams that like to throw a lot at you and

938
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: do a lot of different things schematically. Man, he's a

939
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: cool chess piece because he's he's kind of played jumbo

940
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: edge this year. He's played inside a bunch. I think

941
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 3: he can play three, he can play five. He can

942
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: run well enough you can stand him up and play

943
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 3: play on his feet.

944
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: So he's just he's long.

945
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: He's probably the prettiest looking guy we had at the

946
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: game this year. Sometimes those guys don't play the part.

947
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: He's he looks the part and plays the part. So

948
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm just happy, happy for Darius because he again he

949
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: didn't get an invite last year.

950
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: He told me he took that to heart.

951
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: It was a goal of his coming into the year

952
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: and for him to come down here and have the

953
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: week he had that was just really cool.

954
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: All right, Edge, you guys real quick late too lot

955
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: to you know again, I think the same way when

956
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: you watch him on tape. Letticism doesn't blow you away,

957
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: but he is such a technician on the edge. I

958
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: thought he did a great job. And then Chris Brassell

959
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: I thought was interesting, you know, I thought on tape

960
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: he showed a lot of speed, rush and stuff. And

961
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: I think, and he kind of said this to me

962
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: when I interviewed him, he tried to go out of

963
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: his way to show his power this week. A lot

964
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: of his rush plan was was bull rush and power

965
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: instead of maybe using some of his athleticism again around

966
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: the edge. Your thoughts on those two guys.

967
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Leot too had had a really nice week.

968
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: I'm with you, like, I don't know if he's going

969
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: to blow out the combine, but he's just a really

970
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: accomplished rusher.

971
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: He just he's a he rushes look like a bat.

972
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he knows how to do it.

973
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: And uh, you know the thing they gave him a

974
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: lot of They give him a lot of freedom at

975
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: UCLA to kind of do what he wants to do.

976
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, teams just got to get

977
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: locked into uh you know, just him having you know,

978
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: playing off other.

979
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: People and things of that nature. But man, this guy,

980
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: he's never out of a rush. You know.

981
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: You love guys that can kind of stay in a

982
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: rush once they get cut off, and they got natural

983
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: counter too, and he has that.

984
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: He showed that. I thought he had a really good week.

985
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 3: I was happy because he was a guy that's already

986
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: being mocked in a bunch of top tens.

987
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: So for him to come.

988
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: Here, yeah and make that statement that like, yeah, you're

989
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: talking about Dallas Turner and Jared Verse from Florida State,

990
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: Dallas Turner from Alabama. He's like, you know what, I

991
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: know those guys are good players, but I wanted to

992
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 3: come here and make a statement that I'm the best.

993
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: So I appreciated that, and I'm with you with braswell.

994
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: I think a lot of guys do that. I think

995
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: you know, they come down here knowing that teams might

996
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: question one part of their toolkit, and they really want to,

997
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: you know.

998
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: Show that. So I don't have any problem with it.

999
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a good plan.

1000
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: You know, if teams know you're athletic, and they knew

1001
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: you can win with speed, well you're going up against

1002
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: a great tackle group, a bunch of big, strong, long guys.

1003
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: Let's let's see you get into him and see what

1004
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: you can do. So yeah, I thought, I thought Chris

1005
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: had a nice week as well.

1006
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: All right, last two here Marshall and Niland. I want

1007
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: to give him some love. I don't feel like a

1008
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: lot of people talked about him leaving the game Western

1009
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: Michigan guy. I though just he did that did jump

1010
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: at athletic to me, to me, Jim, and you know,

1011
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: just the way he looks, the way he rushed off

1012
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: the edge, thirty four inch arms, he checks all those boxes.

1013
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: And then I want to give some love to another player.

1014
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people talked about that

1015
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: was Dwayne Carter at a Duke. I thought he had

1016
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: a really nice week at defensive tackle.

1017
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: He did.

1018
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marshawn's one of my favorite players in this draft.

1019
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna go on Day two. There was

1020
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: a lot of teams when we did our calls in November,

1021
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 3: when we were putting the roster together, I already had

1022
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: him in the third round. Like you said, he's got

1023
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: like an eighty three inch wingspan. He's got really heavy

1024
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 3: hands so he can separate from blocks. He plays really hard.

1025
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: He can rush from multiple alignments. I think you can

1026
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: kick him inside on subdowns, so he'll give you versatility

1027
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: that way. And then, yeah, Dwayne's a guy that I'm

1028
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: with you. I did another interview this morning and someone

1029
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: brought him up on ACC radio, they're asking about all

1030
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: the ACC guys, and I thought Dwayne, watching the big guys,

1031
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: I thought he did.

1032
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 2: A lot of good things.

1033
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: I think he's athletic enough to develop as a pass

1034
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: rush ser I don't know if you'll get that from

1035
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: him right away, but I think in two or three

1036
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: years you will.

1037
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: And then he's a He's a really good leverage player.

1038
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: He's active, plays really hard on first and second down.

1039
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: So again, probably like a fringe top hundred guy that

1040
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to get the late third or

1041
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: early fourth, and.

1042
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: I got it's going to play a couple of contracts

1043
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: for you.

1044
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: He's the only three time captain in the history of Duke,

1045
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: so and that's that's a pretty high bar man, if

1046
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: you're if you're like a guy at Duke, it's a

1047
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: little different standard than than a lot of schools. So high,

1048
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: high character guy, and those guys usually end up pitt

1049
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: in their ceilings. And I still think there's good football

1050
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: out there for Dwayne Carter.

1051
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: All right, final question, now that all I said and done,

1052
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: how big is it for your game that you now

1053
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: have access to these juniors Moving forward? You could prepare

1054
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: for a little bit more how to go and how

1055
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: excited are you to have this be part of your

1056
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: game continuing into the future.

1057
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awesome, man, It's a game changer for us.

1058
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: So we were prepared.

1059
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: The good thing was we had some conversation to the

1060
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: league office in August, so our guys were out watching.

1061
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: We built the board with juniors this year. There's always

1062
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 3: a couple guys that surprise you that come out, but

1063
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: I feel like for the most part, we were on

1064
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: the right guys. Yeah, and I think when when next

1065
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: year's junior class sees how some of these guys help

1066
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: themselves down here, I think we're gonna even have more

1067
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: of a buy in. So yeah, the Senior Bolsop, I mean,

1068
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: going back forever has had great star power. But now

1069
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: that you've got a junior class like the Michael Halls

1070
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: and the Jackson Powers, Johnson's and some of these guys

1071
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: Cam Kinchens that came down had great weeks, it's only

1072
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: going to help that.

1073
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: So we're excited about it.

1074
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: Obviously, the game in practice was a success, but I

1075
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: know you're trying to make the Senior Bowl a three

1076
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: sixty five operation here. Jim twenty four to seven so

1077
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: tell the folks the other stuff you guys are doing

1078
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: where they can follow you on social media, anything else

1079
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: they should know about the Senior Bowl as we head

1080
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: towards the draft.

1081
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be doing We'll be pushing a ton of

1082
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: content between now and the draft, John, both on Senior

1083
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: Bowl Twitter and my my own personal Twitter. That's what

1084
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: we've used for six years now to grow this thing,

1085
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: and it's really helped. And then once we get through

1086
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 3: the draft, well, we're are there. We are scouting assistants,

1087
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 3: already watching tape for next year. We're on to twenty

1088
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: twenty five. So once the draft is over, we'll start

1089
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: posting all that stuff throughout the summer.

1090
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 2: We do want to make it a year round thing.

1091
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Speaker 2: That was the goal with social media.

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Speaker 3: John was like, we can't just pop up in like

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Speaker 3: January and be like, hey, look at us. Now we're

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Speaker 3: the Senior Ball, Come look at us. Like we knew

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Speaker 3: we had to live year round, and that was the

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Speaker 3: goal six years ago and I feel like we've done

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Speaker 3: a pretty good job at it. So so yeah, if

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Speaker 3: you're not following already, Giants fans, we'd love to have

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Speaker 3: you give us a follow up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you've done a great job and have

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Speaker 1: had a lot of success with that. Jim, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for the hospitality. They think you guys put

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Speaker 1: on a great event. It's just wonderful to go down

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Speaker 1: there and get to know all these players, which I

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Speaker 1: know you guys want to make it a showcase and

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Speaker 1: you do wonderful job. Thank you for your hospitality and

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Speaker 1: now enjoy some much deserved rest.

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Speaker 2: Thanks John, I appreciate it, man. Thanks for coming down, Jim.

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Speaker 1: Now you directed for the Senior Ball on the Johnsontle podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody