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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. What do

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Speaker 2: we have, Crystal, indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: Let's to get to you this morning. So we are

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Speaker 1: starting with all of the Republican candidates descended on the

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Speaker 1: unsuspecting state of Iowa, some really interesting moments that unfolded.

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Speaker 1: They were also going to bring in a reporter who

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Speaker 1: the juicy details. We're also keeping track of the very

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Speaker 1: latest in terms of those horrific, deadly wildfires in Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the news just continues to get worse and

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Speaker 1: worse and residents getting increasingly frustrated with the lack of

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Speaker 4: So we'll break all of that down for you. We

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Speaker 4: also have some news.

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Speaker 1: In terms of potential new Trump indictments coming down this

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Speaker 1: We're also going to tackle the surprise political hit topping

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Speaker 1: we break all of that down for you in War.

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Speaker 1: But we did want to start with what's going on

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Speaker 1: on the ground in Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, we got to start with Iowa.

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Speaker 2: It's shocking and interesting developments, not really in terms of

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Speaker 2: how everything went down. Ron DeSantis took the stage with

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Speaker 2: of we want Trump. Absolutely brutal, but also indicative of

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Speaker 5: Let's take a listen, ladies and gentlemen of the Iowa

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Speaker 5: State Fair. Let's welcome Governor Kim Reynolds and Governor Ron Sentence.

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Speaker 6: They're hanging in there with us. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: We really appreciate you being here as we have the opportunity. Well,

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Speaker 6: first of all, welcome back to State Fair.

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Speaker 7: Ron.

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Speaker 6: It's great to have you here, So welcome back.

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Speaker 3: No, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 8: We're really excited to see everybody.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate.

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Speaker 6: Hey, you know what, you know what, we're in Iowa,

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Speaker 6: and in Iowa we're Iowa nice. So let's give everybody

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Speaker 6: the opportunity to hear our candidates.

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Speaker 4: So we'll stop.

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Speaker 8: We'll stop until you do.

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Speaker 6: But we're all going to have an opportunity to hear

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Speaker 6: from each and every candidate. That's what we've been doing.

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Speaker 3: So Okay, what a savage moment.

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Speaker 2: So the woman scolding her her own constituents is the

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Speaker 2: governor of the state, Kim Reynolds, who clearly crystal, if

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Speaker 2: it was up to her, she would endorse to Santa tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: She's been playing footsye with him the entire time. He

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Speaker 2: And I just think it's a terrible look, you know,

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Speaker 2: we want Trump. I mean, yeah, they were loud, but

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Speaker 2: guess what, you've got the mic, Like, you can at

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Speaker 2: least get it on the record. You should just pretend

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Speaker 3: And Iowa nice. I just I think it was.

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Speaker 2: It showed her a lot of weakness, to be fair,

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Speaker 2: I mean, DeSantis isn't the one that did it. But

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Speaker 2: that's just the last thing that you want happening at,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of flagship political event in Iowa. And

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Speaker 2: the Iowa State Fair.

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Speaker 2: Well remember you know the butter cow with Ted Cruz

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. This is often the sight of some

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Speaker 4: Any epic corn dog pictures.

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Speaker 2: Many yeah, go car it's basketball for They all try

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Speaker 2: to pretend they donned their human suits for like twenty

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna wear a flannel and wear Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Can't stand it.

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Speaker 2: My personal favorite was a banner that was flying over

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Seems to have been planted by the Trump campaign, says

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Speaker 2: quote be likable Ron and puts Ron's logo like Jeb

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Speaker 2: pretty much the unambiguous winner of the Iowa State Fair

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Speaker 1: I mean it actually low key made me feel a

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Speaker 4: It's hard, brutal. I mean, what are you going to do.

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Speaker 1: There's no good way to deal with that state of affairs.

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Speaker 1: And there's a couple things, because you have to in

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Speaker 1: then in terms of Governor Kim Reynolds. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you are a governor of a state and you did

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Speaker 4: I believe in the state of Iowa, et.

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Speaker 1: Cetera, she's having a realization of just how shallow her

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Speaker 1: That's just the bottom line situation. So I was also

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Speaker 4: But this is so central to that state's identity.

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Speaker 5: Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, being the first caucas site where the first

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're right.

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Speaker 2: And Vivek Ramaswami decided to warm up the crowd with

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Speaker 2: a rendition of Lose Yourself by Eminem donning his old

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Speaker 2: in college. Let's take a listen. So apparently what happened

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Speaker 2: crystole is that's his open song. And he asked Kim Reynolds,

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Speaker 2: he said, do you know this song? She said, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't know the song.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll show you.

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Speaker 4: That I don't exist and not know that song.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Boomers are people in their own ride and they've got

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Speaker 2: interesting tastes. I guess let's just put it that way.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry boomers who are paying audience. We love you, guys,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. I just like to make fun of you.

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Speaker 3: That said it was an interesting move.

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Speaker 2: I think what I actually found kind of funny about

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Speaker 2: the whole thing is that, you know, twenty years ago,

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Speaker 3: Think wasn't that of the Iowa stay Fair or it

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Speaker 4: It was after Iowa after it didn't do well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, so it was like something like or

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Speaker 3: On what is it? Arsenio Holme was in a landmark moment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, monoculture was a crazy thing, but you know,

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Speaker 2: But I think that we have to come back to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump was the central figure at this thing. He dominated

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Speaker 2: It was we want Trump, we want Trump, and he

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Speaker 4: Like you people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a wild comparison, but it

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Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit to Trump's first fora at

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Speaker 1: on the jeans and the button like the flannel or whatever,

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Speaker 1: He sets the standard for like who he is, how

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Speaker 2: That is such a good point that actually just hit home.

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Speaker 2: Trump never pretended to be anything but himself. He didn't

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Speaker 3: You are absolutely right, all right.

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Speaker 2: We got a great guest standing by Shelby Talcott we're

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Speaker 1: So very lucky to be joined by Shelby Talcott. She

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Speaker 8: Shelby, great to have you, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we're just showing some of the kind

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: What I thought was really interesting is when we're talking

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Speaker 8: So the vague drew pretty big crowds.

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Speaker 8: But then you have Trump swoop in and.

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Speaker 10: It is like no other presidential candidate exists, right, And

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Speaker 10: I think it ended up being on Saturday, when all

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Speaker 10: He had pro Trump voters shouting down Ron DeSantis as

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Speaker 10: of sure, we have all these voters who say that

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Speaker 2: I mean, Shelby, can you just go into a little

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Speaker 2: It's something I always noticed in twenty fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of energy, and campaigns

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Speaker 8: I think we talked about this last time.

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Speaker 10: I was on do retail politics pretty much all day

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Speaker 10: He was putting sticks on eggs and handing them out,

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Speaker 8: For food and drinks. So candidates are taking this very seriously.

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Speaker 10: And it's kind of like a go big or code

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty shocked by the whole egg on a stick situation.

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Speaker 1: I've heard about many of the Iowa State Fair foods,

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Speaker 1: You have this part in your piece about I mean,

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Speaker 1: He arrived at the event with an entourage of Florida lawmakers,

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Speaker 1: Trump's private plane strategically flew overhead, distracting fairgoers who turned

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Speaker 10: A big part of Trump's campaign is trolling, quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Shelby, I mean that's an important point.

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Speaker 2: There's a big there's a lot of courting right now

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Speaker 10: Well, I think it's very obvious that that is a

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Speaker 8: If you talk to.

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Speaker 8: And I think to an extent that's accurate.

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Speaker 10: But I also certainly think as Trump continues to do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And DeSantis has also made no secret of trying

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Speaker 1: to court her, brings her up in all these interviews

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Speaker 1: and talks about her pro life record and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. When you talk to the non Trump candidates

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Speaker 1: and campaigns, what is their theory of the case of

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Speaker 1: how they make the comeback? I mean, the lead seems insurmountable.

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Speaker 1: In fact, if you look at history, no one has

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Speaker 1: been able to overcome this much of a deficit to

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Speaker 1: be able to pull off the nomination. What is their

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Speaker 1: theory of how they might be able to change what

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Speaker 1: looks like and you know, coronation at this point.

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Speaker 8: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 10: There's no solid plan that I've personally heard in terms

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Speaker 10: of and when I talk about a solid plan, I'm

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Speaker 10: thinking step one, step two, step three equals we beat

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump. Right. It's more broad ideas of, well, we're

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Speaker 10: hearing from voters on the ground that they're interested in

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Speaker 10: alternative true, so we're going to be out on the

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Speaker 10: ground twenty four to seven trying to court them true also.

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Speaker 8: And then the third thing I hear a lot is.

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Speaker 10: That eventually, particularly with all of these indictments, voters are

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Speaker 10: just going to end up tiring of Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 10: the problem with that is it all kind of depends

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Speaker 10: on voters actually ultimately coming over to your side. And

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Speaker 10: so I think this is the broad idea behind this

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Speaker 10: whole presidential campaign is there's only so much Trump rivals

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Speaker 10: can actually do. And at some point, I think in

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Speaker 10: a way it's you know, it's up to the voters.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, it's always good to get inside from you.

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Speaker 1: Hope is not a strategy, as they as they say, Shelby,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much. Great to have you and great

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Speaker 1: to have your insights. We really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Shelby.

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Speaker 1: So by now you've probably seen some of the horrific

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Speaker 1: images coming out of the state of Hawaii after those

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Speaker 1: deadly wildfires, the deadliest wildfires already in more than a century.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put some of this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen for those who haven't seen.

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Speaker 4: This is a before and after picture of the town

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Speaker 4: of China.

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Speaker 1: You can, I mean, it's just horrific to look at

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Speaker 1: this historic area absolutely burned to a crisp. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and show this next one, which is absolutely horrifying.

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Speaker 1: There's video of people who were jumping into the ocean

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Speaker 1: in or to try to escape these wildfires. As I

487
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Speaker 1: said before, deadliest now already based on the current body

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Speaker 1: count in over a century, ninety six people confirmed dead,

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Speaker 1: more than a thousand still missing. So this is just

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Speaker 1: an absolutely horrific death toll. And then let's put this

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Speaker 1: next one up on the screen. You can see the

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Speaker 1: completely apocalyptic images here. This is, you know, an area

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Speaker 1: that used to be bustling. You can see these skeletons

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Speaker 1: of cars, everything just completely burned down. And basically there

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Speaker 1: was a confluence of terrible factors that led to this outcome.

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Speaker 1: This area in Maui had been subject to drought for

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Speaker 1: a while. They also had an issue with these non

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Speaker 1: native grasses that had grown up across the region which

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Speaker 1: were super flammable, especially with the drought. And then you

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Speaker 1: had hurricane strength wins that helped to spread this unfortunately

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Speaker 1: like wildfire and leads to this terrifical, just terribly awful result.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at some of the history here, Sager,

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Speaker 1: in terms of deadliest wildfires in American history. As I said,

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Speaker 1: this is the worst that we've had in over a

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Speaker 1: century already, which is astonishing given the you know, technological

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Speaker 1: advances that we've made in that time. The worst in

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Speaker 1: history that we've ever had was a fire in Wisconsin

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Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy one that killed one thousand, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty two. It was at the site of a sawmill,

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Speaker 1: so there was all this dry sawdust around and just

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Speaker 1: the whole town went up in flames. But the next

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Speaker 1: closest to this wildfire and the deadly nature of it

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Speaker 1: was in nineteen eighteen they call it the Cloaquette Fire,

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Speaker 1: when railroad sparks and nited a wildfire raged for more

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Speaker 1: than four days, decimating northern Minnesota. That set a death

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Speaker 1: toll of four hundred and fifty three as a result

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Speaker 1: of that fire. And you know, unfortunately, I think everyone's

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Speaker 1: expectation is that the death toll is going to rise

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Speaker 1: significantly from the ninety six that it's all ready at.

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Speaker 4: Given the number of people who are still unaccountable.

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, you know, you got days

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Speaker 2: in now, and you got multiple hundreds of people who

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Speaker 2: are missing. So it's like that is a terrible situation

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Speaker 2: and something we've been trying to track here Crystal, which

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Speaker 2: is really put on the radar by both producers but

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Speaker 2: also some of our audience, people who actually live in Hawaii. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is aid actually flowing to Hawaii in the nature that

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Speaker 2: it should And there's some indications right now from actual

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Speaker 2: residence on the island that they are not happy with

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Speaker 2: the federal government and the Biden administration about the delivery

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Speaker 2: of set aid.

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Speaker 7: I'm not getting what I need from the government. The

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Speaker 7: community on Maui is extremely strong, and the crowdfunding and

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Speaker 7: the community effort to support each other right now is

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Speaker 7: so unbelievably immense. It's chaotic, and it's extremely hard to

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Speaker 7: organize who needs want and who needs where.

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Speaker 11: A lot of the big box stores are running out

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Speaker 11: of supplies and things are starting to get a little weird.

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Speaker 3: After natural disasters happen like that, a.

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Speaker 11: Lot of people are setting their hard earned money and

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Speaker 11: they're taking their personal vehicles and they're driving into law

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Speaker 11: through the danger to deliver supplies because we are not

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Speaker 11: receiving in any capacity that we need to be received

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Speaker 11: on a larger level.

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Speaker 12: But as of now, we are seeing very little support

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Speaker 12: from from big organizations. We hear that there is Coastguards

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Speaker 12: or National Guards that that's assisting with organization in Lohina,

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Speaker 12: But at the same time, we are in contact with

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Speaker 12: a lot of residents in Lohina that are stuff up

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Speaker 12: north between Kahana and kay who are out of power,

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Speaker 12: out of out of water, out of gas.

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Speaker 2: It's troubling stuff there, Crystal in terms of what's coming in.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've seen a good point Mike Glover

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Speaker 2: Fieldcraft's survival guy, beiging a disaster relief. He's like, we

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Speaker 2: got one of the biggest military bases in the entire country,

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Speaker 2: like a couple of miles away. What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Why are we not surging? And you know this has

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Speaker 2: been coming out residents. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. This is a screenshot from an Instagram story

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Speaker 2: that was taken by a local dive company. They say, quote,

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Speaker 2: the government has blocked entry roads to Lahaina, leaving people

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Speaker 2: feeling abandoned and confused, unable to locate missing family members

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Speaker 2: and get much needs supplied to those in need. This

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Speaker 2: has not stop the strong community of Maui from finding

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Speaker 2: ways to help. Apparently one of the biggest problems on

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Speaker 2: the island is lack of cell service. There's lack of internet.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is not just one story. We're

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Speaker 2: hearing this from a lot of different people. There are

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Speaker 2: viral videos floating around out there of actual residents saying

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Speaker 2: they have been blocked actually by the local and the

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Speaker 2: state and the federal government by coming to the island.

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Speaker 2: Apparently FEMA wants to be the single source of control.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying they're doing this intentionally. It just

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Speaker 2: sounds like a complete bureaucratic incompetence nightmare, all of which

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Speaker 2: we witness in the time in Katrina. The problem is

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Speaker 2: this is so far away and so remote, and we

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Speaker 2: don't have enough media resources on the ground that were

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Speaker 2: you know, who knows what in terms of the information

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Speaker 2: and some of the stuff filtered out here is a

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Speaker 2: real scan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're really having to rely on the residents to

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Speaker 1: tell us what is going on. And you know, these

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Speaker 1: aren't just isolated incidents. At this point. We're seeing a

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Speaker 1: lot of commentary coming from people who are impacted there

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Speaker 1: on the island, who are saying, please, you know, someone

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Speaker 1: report on this, someone come to our aid. Put this

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Speaker 1: next one up on the screen. This is another post.

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Speaker 1: They say, this was posted two days ago. They're saying,

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Speaker 1: for what it's worth, I'm hoping for a writer to

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Speaker 1: write this complicated yet very simple story for MAUI. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it feels ridiculous because I know no one in these

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Speaker 1: high places knows what I'm doing. Donations, we need them all.

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Speaker 1: This is a plea New York Times, NPR, CNN, anything

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Speaker 1: large and limit legitimate. Do you know someone screenshot share?

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Speaker 3: I beg.

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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, where's the Navy, the hospital ship, helicopters,

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Speaker 1: the military, the natural disaster relief infrastructure that should have

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Speaker 1: been here by now, so you know. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: Biden administration says they're doing everything they can. National guardsmen

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Speaker 1: have been mobilized to the area, but clearly just a

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Speaker 1: lot of devastation and frustration mounting among resonents there on

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Speaker 1: the ground as the death toll continues to mount.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and President Biden actually was asked yesterday and on

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Speaker 2: his beach vacation while he was quite literally on the beach,

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Speaker 2: Mister President, do you have any comments about the rising

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Speaker 2: death hole in Hawaii?

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Speaker 3: Quote?

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Speaker 2: No comment, he said, before heading home. You know, I

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Speaker 2: mean this is pretty disgusting stuff, to be honest. And look,

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Speaker 2: it's often a trope the whole like, we send money

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Speaker 2: over there, but we don't have money over here. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be a zero sum game, but

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Speaker 2: the politicians are the ones who have turned it into

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Speaker 2: that zero sum game.

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Speaker 3: So I think the analysis is fair.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we got time to be requesting twenty

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Speaker 2: five billion dollars more for Q one to go to

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Speaker 2: the Ukrainian military, including thirteen billion dollars of disaster relief.

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Speaker 3: Included in there.

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Speaker 2: And these people are American citizens out there pleading for

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Speaker 2: money on Instagram while one of the world's largest military

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Speaker 2: bases is forty some miles away from this disaster suit.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is going on here? You got people

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Speaker 2: there saying that they're being blocked from bringing pro pain

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Speaker 2: energy to their freaking relatives. I mean, can you imagine,

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Speaker 2: you know, you got relatives who are not that far

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Speaker 2: away whose house just burned down, you had infrastructure going there,

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Speaker 2: and somebody tells you you can't go see him, and

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Speaker 2: you can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be losing your mind. You bulldozing past them

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Speaker 3: if you can.

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Speaker 1: These people have already lost Just it just boggles the mind.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe Biden's on a beach. I genuinely can't

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Speaker 1: believe that. I think if this happened in the mainland

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Speaker 1: fifty yeah, if this was Pennsylvania, if this was Virginia,

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Speaker 1: if this was somewhere that you know, was closer to

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Speaker 1: home that they felt more personally connected, There's no way

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Speaker 1: that the President of the United States would, you know,

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Speaker 1: just go to the beach and say no comment about

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Speaker 1: the whore that is unfolded again, deadliest wildfire in more

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Speaker 1: than a century.

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Speaker 4: You could see from the photos the level of devastation.

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Speaker 1: And to be that cavalier about it, I am actually

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Speaker 1: genuinely shocked by it, to be honest with you. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing I'd say is, let's and I was

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Speaker 1: reading into is there a climate change connect with this

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Speaker 1: particular white It's always difficult to say in any particular disaster,

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Speaker 1: what is the climate change connect. There's an indication they've

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Speaker 1: been increasingly in drought in Hawaii in a way that

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Speaker 1: they didn't used to be. That may be caused by

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Speaker 1: climate hard to say. The increase you know, in hurricanes

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Speaker 1: and strength of winds may be caused by climate change

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Speaker 1: hard to say. But what we do know is we

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Speaker 1: are getting these disasters more and more often. We are

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Speaker 1: going to continue dealing with these disasters more and more often.

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Speaker 1: So we better get damn good at it. We better

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Speaker 1: get damn good at mitigation. We better get damn good

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Speaker 1: at relief. We better have the money cued up ready

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Speaker 1: to go, and you know, a plan in place, ready

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Speaker 1: to help residents when they are impacted. This because this

661
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Speaker 1: is the new reality. Whether or not this particular incident

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Speaker 1: was climate change driven, which again it's very difficult to say.

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Speaker 4: In this particular incident, we.

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Speaker 1: Know we're seeing once in a century floods coming year

665
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Speaker 1: after year. We're seeing increased strength and hurricanes. We're seeing

666
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Speaker 1: wildfires that are absolutely historic in their eyes and scope,

667
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Speaker 1: and we're seeing so much disaster that you know, in

668
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Speaker 1: a place like Florida. This is something we're here in

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Speaker 1: more and more too, about people who can't get home

670
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Speaker 1: and owners insurance because of the threat of rising threat

671
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Speaker 1: of repeated natural disasters. So we better get our game

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Speaker 1: together here because this is the new reality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, look, and the problem too is the

675
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Speaker 2: fact that these people are like pleading for resources online.

676
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Speaker 2: You know that one guy's screenshot about the media and

677
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: all that. It's just like, how can they be so

678
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Speaker 2: ignored by what's going on? And I you know, Obama,

679
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Speaker 2: to his credit, I guess because he's from there, was

680
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Speaker 2: one of the first people, you know, really.

681
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Speaker 3: To start actually funds and all that.

682
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean literally, I think as he grew up

683
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, but pretty much everybody else has been has

684
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Speaker 2: been gone. You know, it'd be a good opportunity, like

685
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 2: when Trump, what is it when the Trump campaign went

686
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: to go visit East Palestine even though Hawaii's a blue state,

687
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: you know, plane flies, like you should get over there.

688
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: People should people should know that people actually do care

689
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Speaker 2: about what's going on. Luckily, with the Internet, some of

690
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: the word is getting out there. I hope it will continue.

691
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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll put a link to one of the disaster

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Speaker 2: relief organizations that's down in the description.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's terrible situation. We're going to continue to

694
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Speaker 3: keep an eye on it.

695
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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

696
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Speaker 1: At the same time, we've got a lot of developments

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Speaker 1: on the Trump potential indictment front. Let's put this first

698
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Speaker 1: piece up on the screen, all right. So we had

699
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the Jacksmith indictments here, we had the Alvin Bragg indictments,

700
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Speaker 1: we had the Documents indictments. Now we're looking at what

701
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Speaker 1: is going to happen with this Atlanta grand jury. They

702
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: are hearing Trump's cases as early next week, but this

703
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: was written last week, so we're now talking about.

704
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Speaker 4: Today and tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Basically, they are hearing the Trump case, and it looks

706
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Speaker 1: very much like they're going to be handing down indictments

707
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Speaker 1: this week. Could be twelve or more people who are

708
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Speaker 1: indicted as part of this alleged scheme, they said. Fulton

709
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: County District Attorney Fanny Willis's timeline became clearer on Saturday.

710
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Two witnesses in the investigation said they'd been summoned to

711
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Speaker 1: testify on Tuesday. Legal experts have said they expect the

712
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Speaker 1: presentation of evidence to take a around two days, so

713
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Speaker 1: you do the math. If they're starting on Tuesday, a

714
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Speaker 1: couple days hand down indictments, that's what it's looking like.

715
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Speaker 1: So probably towards the end of this week we may

716
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Speaker 1: be hearing something. There are two grand juries meeting in

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Speaker 1: Fulton County through the end of August, one on Mondays

718
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: and Tuesdays, the other on Thursdays and Fridays. Latest developments

719
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Speaker 1: suggest Willis will begin her presentation of the case on Monday.

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Speaker 4: That would be today.

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Speaker 1: Public could know whether Trump and others have been indicted

722
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Speaker 1: by Tuesday evenings, so we are definitely on indictment watch.

723
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Speaker 1: At the same time, CNN got a scoop about we

724
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Speaker 1: reported here a while ago this little county in Georgia,

725
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Speaker 1: Rural County, Coffee County, where the election administrators there and

726
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Speaker 1: certainly the Republican Party officials, were very favorable towards Trump.

727
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Speaker 1: I think the county went like seventy percent for Trump.

728
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Speaker 1: So this was Trump country and they really wanted to

729
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Speaker 1: give him, you know, whatever he was looking for in

730
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Speaker 1: terms of these dominion voting machines. And so we had

731
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Speaker 1: previously reported based on you know, what was in the

732
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Speaker 1: press that they had given access to sensitive election infra

733
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Speaker 1: and these sensitive voting machine systems, which you are not

734
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Speaker 1: allowed to do. That is wildly illegal to these data consultants.

735
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Speaker 4: Well, guess what.

736
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Speaker 1: We now have direct indications of who exactly hired those

737
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Speaker 1: consultants and set up this whole deal. Let's put this

738
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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This is the New York Post

739
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: telling of it. They say, Trump blastphony Georgia DA after

740
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Speaker 1: report prosecutors have text and emails linking him directly to

741
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: that voting system breach. Georgia prosecutors investigating Trump's efforts to

742
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: overturn the twenty twenty election results are in possession of

743
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Speaker 1: text messages and other communications that time members of the

744
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Speaker 1: former presence legal team, including Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.

745
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Speaker 1: By the way to a January seventh, twenty twenty one

746
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Speaker 1: voting systems breach in the state. According to US Sunday report,

747
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: one of the text reads just landed back in DC

748
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Speaker 1: with the mayor, the mayor being Rudy Giuliani. Huge things

749
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Speaker 1: starting to come together. Most immediately, we were just granted

750
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Speaker 1: access by written invitation to Coffee County systems yay again,

751
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Speaker 1: that is illegal. The person who was most directly involved

752
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Speaker 1: here as a woman by the name of Misty Hampton,

753
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Speaker 1: former Coffee County elections official. She delayed the certification of

754
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Speaker 1: Biden's win. She refused to recount results by the deadline.

755
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Speaker 1: I think she may have been the one. She published

756
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Speaker 1: some video alleging fraud with the dominion voting machines, so

757
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Speaker 1: she went that extra mile and actually helped enable them

758
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Speaker 1: allegedly potentially commit some crimes here. It's pretty ironic, Zaga,

759
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Speaker 1: when you're so concerned about election fraud that you go

760
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: ahead and commit some yourself.

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Speaker 3: This is basically the exact same thing that happened in Arizona.

762
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Speaker 2: If we'll recall, during the whole audit of the machines,

763
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Speaker 2: it turned out that we'd rendered many machines unusable because

764
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Speaker 2: they were like basically seized and or improperly examined by

765
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Speaker 2: the investigators who were looking into frauds. This has happened

766
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: so many times now at this point where it's like

767
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: this clownish and ridiculous gambit in order to try and

768
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Speaker 2: prove the fantasies not only just a man, but really

769
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Speaker 2: have a lot of people around him, we just don't

770
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Speaker 2: want to admit, you know, that they lost the election.

771
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Speaker 2: I think that the most honest reading Crystal that I've

772
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Speaker 2: seen so far from many of these Republicans who is

773
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Speaker 2: they're basically like, well, we just got to embrace mail

774
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Speaker 2: in balloting. We'll just call it ballad harvesting, even though

775
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: it's just you know, male in balloting, and we have

776
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Speaker 2: to outdo the Democrats. I'm like, yeah, that's actually correct.

777
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Speaker 2: You work within the rules that you have here.

778
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Speaker 3: And try to win. Yeah, shocking. I know. You look

779
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 3: at the rules of the game. You decide to place

780
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 3: that game, and when you lose, you lose.

781
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: And if you want to win, well, you know, you

782
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: look what you did bad last time, You're going to

783
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Speaker 2: try and do something else.

784
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Speaker 3: Unfortunately for them, if that hasn't really.

785
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 2: Been working out, and they've been their own worst enemies

786
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: and trying to prove you know, like this is the

787
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: problem with Sidney Powell, with Rudy Giuliani, with all Mike Lindell,

788
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Speaker 2: all these folks, is they were so like, they believe

789
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: this so much that they were literally committing crimes in

790
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Speaker 2: the process of trying to quote unquote prove that the

791
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Speaker 2: election was stolen.

792
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and some of them.

793
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Julian, I really believe this. I have

794
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: no idea, I really, I genuinely don't. But I also

795
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: think they just this is a group of people in

796
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Speaker 1: certain instances that just feels like they're above the law,

797
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Speaker 1: like the rules.

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Speaker 4: Don't apply to them.

799
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Speaker 1: So you know, if Rudy Giuliani was looking at a

800
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Speaker 1: Democrat who was breaching voting systems in some county somewhere,

801
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Speaker 1: I mean, they would see very clearly that that is

802
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Speaker 1: in fact a crime, that you can't do that.

803
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Speaker 4: But then when it came to.

804
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Speaker 1: Them, they're like, Yay, we get access to the voting

805
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 1: systems we've been invited in, so it must be fine.

806
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Speaker 4: Pretty wild.

807
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Speaker 1: There's also reporting this suggests originally this Grand Jury in

808
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Speaker 1: Georgia was being presented a lot and they were looking

809
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Speaker 1: deeply into that call that Trump had in which he

810
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: calls a perfect call with Brad Raffensberger, where he asked

811
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Speaker 1: him to quote, find eleven seven hundred and eighty votes.

812
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Speaker 1: But as time is worn on, they've also taken a

813
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Speaker 1: lot of time to dig into what was going on

814
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: in Coffee County with this voting system's breach, and you know,

815
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Speaker 1: this is one of those where sort of like the

816
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: Document's case, it's more there's more of a clear line

817
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: here that you can cross versus you know, some of

818
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: the January sixth stuff could potentially be contested. Obviously I

819
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: support the indictments, but there's legal arguments that can be

820
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: made on either side. To me, the voting system's reach

821
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: is a little more clearcut. So we'll see when the

822
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: indictments come down. Of course, we'll be following it really

823
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: closely here and bring you breaking news as soon as

824
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: we have it. What exactly has contained in it, what

825
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: they're laying out, who's involved, what's the conspiracy that's alleged.

826
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Speaker 1: We've heard a lot about potential racketeering charges, so we'll

827
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Speaker 1: see if.

828
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Speaker 4: That is part of it.

829
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we look, we have no idea.

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Speaker 2: Also, do you remember the Georgia Jerry for woman and

831
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Speaker 2: her media tour.

832
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Speaker 12: Oh?

833
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was weird. Definitely going to be you know.

834
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Speaker 2: That's probably going to come back to bite, I think

835
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: if any of that ends up coming back to coming

836
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Speaker 2: into the public sphere. So the real point of this

837
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Speaker 2: whole thing is to just prepare everyone for another indictment.

838
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: Looks very imminent, what they said early next to Tuesday evening,

839
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Speaker 2: these Tuesday evening, So I guess we'll be uh yeah,

840
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Speaker 2: watch as usual here over at BP. And the real

841
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Speaker 2: one is that this also opens up a mountain of

842
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Speaker 2: different charges and a legal battlefield. Because this is not

843
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Speaker 2: in the federal court system. This is in the state

844
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Speaker 2: court system. It will be very different in terms of

845
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Speaker 2: its interpretation and also, in my opinion, actually might be

846
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Speaker 2: the strongest on the grounds of election law because in

847
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: our federalist system, crystal states are the ones who have

848
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Speaker 2: near supremacy over the way that they run their elections

849
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Speaker 2: and have the much more capacity to charge, you know,

850
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Speaker 2: on these specific grounds than the Feds of January sixth

851
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Speaker 2: or any of these others. It's one of the problems

852
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: that's been really for him from the beginning. And you know,

853
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: if you look at it a state by state thing,

854
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Speaker 2: the New York one pales in comparison to the level

855
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: of legitimacy that they could have. Yeah, you're in this case,

856
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: this is one of the strongest cases actually they might

857
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Speaker 2: be able to bring against him, could very well be.

858
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Speaker 1: And especially with this new information about the voting system's breach,

859
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: might be clear cut. We'll wait and see the details.

860
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: At the same time, you know, one aspect of all

861
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: of this that I find really interesting is it's like, Okay, Trump,

862
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: if you and your team really so strongly believed that

863
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: there was election fraud, you're about to have these trials

864
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: go prove it to the public. He was recently asked

865
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Speaker 1: some about you know, does he still believe it? And

866
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Speaker 1: he's still you know, on his bs about all of this.

867
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Speaker 1: He was also asked about whether or not he would

868
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Speaker 1: take a plea deal, a stake a listen to what

869
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Speaker 1: he had to say.

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Speaker 2: But I can tell you one thing.

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Speaker 8: There was a lot of Sanetian's going on with the elections.

872
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 8: Whether you look at Jasi.

873
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Speaker 13: Fule, whether you look at the fifty one intelligence agents

874
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 13: mis or rigg, when you looked at Twitter, at FBI

875
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 13: and at DOJ, and take a look at what happened

876
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 13: with dj Take a look at what happened with Twitter.

877
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 14: It's in display, so good, John, Is.

878
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 8: There any chance you take a bleed deal? Is there

879
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 8: any Florida delegation is or governor? Is there any chance

880
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 8: you take a plea deal? And George ideas, we did nothing.

881
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: Wrong, and you don't ever take a sir, Yes, sir.

882
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 14: We don't take bleevia.

883
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 8: It's a wise guy.

884
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: Question wise guy questioned, no plea deal floating two thousand mules,

885
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: which you know you could go back and watch my

886
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: commentary on that. It's you know, absurd flames. But listen, buddy,

887
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: go prove it in court. Yeah, a chance in front

888
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: of the whole nation. Go show how rigged the election.

889
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: As we often said at that time, we're like, listen, man,

890
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: you know sixty one cases, sixty one losses.

891
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Before the court, and you know it.

892
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: It is interesting, you know, when you really probe it,

893
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: it's like the mag of people really want you to

894
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 2: believe that the courts were rigged in multiple Republican states,

895
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: with multiple Republican judges across multiple jurisdictions local, state and federal,

896
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: and that somehow in every single case at the hand

897
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: of the Feds was able to come down and to

898
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 2: interfere and said this to not prove and what they've

899
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: effectively resorted to. I've noticed this actually on Twitter is

900
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: resurfacing old clips which have all been completely debunked around like, oh, look,

901
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: they pulled ballots off from underneath the table and it's

902
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: like every single time, I'm just you know, it's like

903
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: if that's what, if that's all they got, then you know,

904
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: it's not a it's not a wonder why they lost

905
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 2: in the in the core system in the first place.

906
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, every single one of these has been looked into people.

907
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: You know, you can retweet it all you want. That

908
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: doesn't make it true. Yeah, it will remain true in

909
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: their minds.

910
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the very interesting things happening

911
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: on the labor front. So we covered how UPS came

912
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: right up to the brink of a strike which would

913
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: have been huge, historic, et cetera, but they were actually

914
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: able to come to a deal and no rank and

915
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: file members still voting on it. But looks like a

916
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: pretty good deal and it has a good chance of

917
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I think, getting passed by the Teamsters membership. One of

918
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: the provisions is those who are full time at the

919
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: sort of top of the salary spectrum are going to

920
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: be making one hundred and seventy.

921
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: K year, so pretty good salary.

922
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: This has some folks really wringing their hands, very concerned

923
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: about God forbid, working class person makes you know, a

924
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: decent salary and is able to maybe even actually afford

925
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a home. Jim Kramer among those very concerned about this deal.

926
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: Stay to listen to what he had to say.

927
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 13: That's the way that UPS stock initially went up on

928
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 13: that deal, and then people see that maybe the Teamsters

929
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 13: got the vestigator. Although it's a good thing for the

930
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 13: US economy that there is not going to aba UPS.

931
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 13: I'm so going you mentioned that because that was very

932
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 13: important for the US. I do want to know whether

933
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 13: FOD is going to talk about whether there's more of.

934
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: An issue with the UAW.

935
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 13: Then Carolsermy talked about the issue with team Stirs are

936
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 13: important to watch that because because when you look at

937
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 13: the way GM traded, it started going down when Mary

938
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 13: bar the CEO, glossed old union issue.

939
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 8: That's a big mistake.

940
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 13: Showan Fate reminds me of the nineteen thirties UAW, which

941
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 13: we don't want.

942
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: Which we don't want.

943
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: We'll get to the UAW in just a minute, but

944
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: here's some of the details that.

945
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: Have caused stir. People are very upset about put.

946
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: Those of THEMS.

947
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being upset about people earning a different

948
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: decent living. But anyway, full time UPS drivers will earn

949
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year on average

950
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: in new con according to the CEO of that company.

951
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: Salary ranges for full time and part time drivers among

952
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: the details to come out this week. Here's a little

953
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: bit of a quote from the CEO. She says, when

954
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: you look at total compensation, by the end of the

955
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: new contract, average UPS full time driver will make about

956
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy k annually in pay and benefits.

957
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: And for all part time employees that are already working

958
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: at UPS, by the end of this contract, they'll be

959
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: making at least twenty five seventy five per hour while

960
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,919
Speaker 1: we're seeing full health care and pension benefits. That part

961
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: time piece is really important, soccer, because a lot of

962
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: the drivers are actually part time, so there is a

963
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Speaker 1: good swath of their workforce that will not be earning

964
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: this kind of a salary. But you know, there's a

965
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: lot to say about this because I find it so interesting.

966
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: UPS is phenomenally profitable. Okay, they actually are more profitable

967
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: than FedEx, even consistently more profitable than FedEx, even though

968
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: FedEx has a non union workforce that does make considerably

969
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: less than their cohort over at UPS. So in spite

970
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: of that, UPS has been a well company. Perhaps because

971
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: their employers are employees are happier. Perhaps that might be

972
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: part of why the company is consistently more profitable. So

973
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: it's not like the company is suffering. I can't imagine

974
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: grudging people a decent income and using their This just

975
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: shows you the power of unions. Yes, they use their

976
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: collective power. They elected their leader, new leader Shan O'Brien,

977
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: to force a tough deal on UPS after taking years

978
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: of conception. Last contract was really concessionary. The membership had

979
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: actually voted it down because they were unhappy with it.

980
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Now they're able to use the tight labor market, use

981
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: the more militant leadership that more accurately reflects the needs

982
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: of the rank and file, and.

983
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 4: Cut a better deal for themselves. We should all be celebrating.

984
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: So from here's some data that I can find, just

985
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: to put forward. Last year twenty twenty two, UPS did

986
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: an annual gross profit of seventy four point one point

987
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: five billion UPS annual gross profit for twenty twenty one,

988
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: seventy one point nine to three billion UPS gross profit

989
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty two. For twenty twenty sixty four billion.

990
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Each one of those was an increase year over year.

991
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty and twenty twenty one each respectively showed a

992
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: thirteen to twelve percent annual gross profit increase. It's on

993
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: twenty five percent over a two year period, under which

994
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: UPS drivers actually basically made the entire economy run. Yea,

995
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: you know these people delivered goods to people, were working

996
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: from home. They were essential workers that worked in bad

997
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: conditions on average. These people are walking like miles and

998
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: miles per day. You know, you should go look at

999
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: the fitbit data for some people who drive full time

1000
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: for UPS. No joke, You need some actual physical requirements.

1001
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: Actually sit and take have a conversation with your UPS

1002
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: driver if they have the ability even in time.

1003
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have the time. Driving the trucks is

1004
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: also not a joke as well. I didn't know this.

1005
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: Apparently they're not allowed to turn left because it stops

1006
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: the amount of uses too much fuel. So they have

1007
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: custom driving routes that cause them to drive inconveniently, which

1008
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: are all about fuel compensation, which saved some billions of

1009
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: dollars per year.

1010
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: So everything is right terms for the UPS truck. Obviously

1011
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: they have.

1012
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of I had no idea. They

1013
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: have a custom software apparently that does. It saves them

1014
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: a lot of money. But it's no joke. You're driving

1015
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: with sometimes ten twelve hours a day. The time when

1016
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 2: everybody else is off is whenever you're the most on

1017
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve.

1018
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 3: All of that. That's that's game time. You know.

1019
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: That's the time when you got to work even more

1020
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: than everybody else. So the hours are no picnic. That's

1021
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: why you get paid money. But it also comes back

1022
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: to more of a philosophical conversation. I don't really know

1023
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: why people are so angry about this. I've seen all

1024
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: these memes I've been posting online, but it's like ups

1025
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: drivers after five years driving a Lamborghini.

1026
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, Like, hold on a second. I live

1027
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 3: here in Washington, DC.

1028
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: I know plenty of people who make one hundred and

1029
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: seventy and they make a hell a lot more of

1030
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: them one hundred and seventy grand a year. These pole

1031
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: can't even afford to buy a house, So what are

1032
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: you talking about. These people are driving Toyota CAMRA's. I mean,

1033
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: it's like, not sure we live in one of the

1034
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: top five, Like most expensive cities in the country.

1035
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: So it's not like pay Ooria, Illinois or something like that.

1036
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: I just no offense, paywork.

1037
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out, you know, it's not normal middle

1038
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 2: class plays. But if you look at the median home

1039
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: price on average across the country, specifically in what the

1040
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: top ten metro areas where a lot of these people

1041
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: have to work are nearby, we're talking about half million dollars.

1042
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: We're looking at major interest rates. We're also I mean,

1043
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: last time I checked, you know, you want to be

1044
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: able to raise a family. I personally would love to

1045
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: live in a society where people can raise a family

1046
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: on an income of one These people work incredibly hard.

1047
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't see why they shouldn't have this other There

1048
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: just seems to be this like philosophical anger at this.

1049
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: I've seen it a lot amongst white collar workers.

1050
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 2: As well, and I think it's because what it comes

1051
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: down to is the pandemic was a sorting mechanism. We

1052
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: found out what's really valuable and what's not. So a

1053
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: lot of tech workers who were making this same money

1054
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: to become like a you know, product marketer or whatever,

1055
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: got fired, and they're pissed off. People who work on

1056
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: their feet, with their hands and all that are making

1057
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: so much so it doesn't bother me at all. And

1058
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: in fact, I think the economy should look a lot

1059
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: more like this than not less men.

1060
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who doesn't want an economy where people

1061
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: might be able to afford to have a house, might

1062
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: be able to afford to have a family. That's what

1063
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: we're supposed to all be aiming for here, And I

1064
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: really do think it reveals just a level of sneering

1065
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: contempt for working class people.

1066
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: That's the only thing you can really attribute it to.

1067
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: Because no one blinks an eye at someone, you know,

1068
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: sitting in an air conditioned office looking at a computer

1069
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: screen making this kind of money that we just that's fine,

1070
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: and it is fine, you know what, It is fine, But.

1071
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 4: Guess what, These people work so hard.

1072
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,959
Speaker 1: I challenge you to spend a day in these guys

1073
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: shoes trying to run these routes and deliver these packages,

1074
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: and the heat and in everything else, every other condition.

1075
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: This is a brutal job. I've known people who do

1076
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 4: this job.

1077
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: I know the training they go through, I know how

1078
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: long it takes for them to be able to get

1079
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: to this position of being a full time driver. I

1080
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: know how difficult it is on their bodies to do

1081
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: this kind of work day in and day out. So yeah,

1082
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy k all day long. I am

1083
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: one hundred percent happy. I would like to see many

1084
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: more working class or service sector jobs that are essential

1085
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: to this country, that make this whole thing.

1086
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 4: Work, earn a decent standard of living.

1087
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: By the way, there's also a lot of commentary about,

1088
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, the labor markets so tight and all, we

1089
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: can't find workers and we're having trouble, we're short staffed,

1090
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: et cetera. They're not gonna be having that trouble at UPS.

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Speaker 1: Put this Axios report up on the screen, fifty percent

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00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: increase in job searches with the key terms UPS or

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00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: United Parsonal Service in the week following the deal's announcement.

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00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: UPS jobs, Axios says are hot after union deal wins

1095
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: major pay bump. So they're gonna be able to get,

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00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, the cream of the crop. They're going to

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Speaker 1: be able to have their pick. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: part of why this deal is so important, what do

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Speaker 1: you think FedEx is going to have to do? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have There is a huge golf between.

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Speaker 1: I think I was seeing FedEx workers make more like

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Speaker 1: eighteen dollars an hour. This is off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head. I could be wrong, but I know there's

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Speaker 1: a huge golf between what UPS workers are making and

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00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: what FedEx workers are making. So if they want their

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00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: drivers to be, you know, top of the top notch,

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Speaker 1: if they want to be able to fill out their workforce,

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00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: they are going to have to up their.

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00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 4: Compensation and compete.

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, at a different time in America

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00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: when you had larger union density, even shops that were

1112
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: non unionized, those workers also benefited from what the union

1113
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: workers were able to negotiate because their employers also had

1114
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: to compete.

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Speaker 4: So I am one hundred percent year and look.

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00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: The company's still profitable.

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Speaker 2: The main reason people hate this deal is because Wall

1118
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: Street doesn't like it because the gross profit is going

1119
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: to go down.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing. These people have plenty of money.

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00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: UPS is paying a three point three percent annual dividend

1122
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: on the stock.

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Speaker 3: They're paying out billions.

1124
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: It's so traders who want to be able to squeeze

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Speaker 2: and up that dividend. They want to juice the gross

1126
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: profit and they want to be able to pay out

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: even more and possibly even have UPS do its own

1128
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: stock buybacks rather than pay it out to the employees,

1129
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: and the employees did what you know they should be doing.

1130
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: We have a wildly profitable business, doing year over year

1131
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: billions of dollars an annual gross profit, and the vast

1132
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: majority of that value is going to the company executives

1133
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: and to the stockholders. Why should it not go to

1134
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: the drivers whenever they have the ability to make that concession?

1135
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of a lot of the

1136
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: like freak out over this is really bad faith. And

1137
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: you know, I mean I think about this all the time.

1138
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, if you want to go and do

1139
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: something that has real value, then do it.

1140
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: You know, nothing is stopping you.

1141
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: A lot of this is just anger from the fact

1142
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: that it's like, yeah, you did what you were supposed

1143
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: to do.

1144
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 3: You went to college, you.

1145
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 2: Got your white collar job, you've got a lot of

1146
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: student debt, and you're not getting paid what you think

1147
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: is fair. And I sympathize with that, I really do,

1148
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: because society told you that the UPS guy's a loser

1149
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: and that you're not. But you know what, you know, sorry,

1150
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: reality has a way of catching up to people. So

1151
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: if you want to go make one hundred and seventy grand,

1152
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: not a single thing is stopping you from being able

1153
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: to lift seventy pounds and walk ten miles a day

1154
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: only turn right, Yeah, exactly. You can apply next time,

1155
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: or you can go create your own business. You could

1156
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: try and do something. You can see something in the

1157
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: market generally does have some value for So, yeah, I

1158
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 2: think that a lot of this is just outrageous. Yeah,

1159
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: some of the way that people are, if any may

1160
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: they're trying to make them feel bad for like bargaining

1161
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: for a good way. But when you look at the situation,

1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: you're like, this is the this is clear as day.

1163
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: It's not going to hurt the company at all.

1164
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: There's an element too of white collar workers who do

1165
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: earn this kind of salary, you know, one seventy, two

1166
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: hundred whatever, who don't want to see the ups guy,

1167
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean the same.

1168
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: Class as they are. You're right, and who you know,

1169
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 4: don't think they quote unquote.

1170
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: Deserve to have the decent life that they are very

1171
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: happy to enjoy. The last thing that I would say

1172
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: is unfortunately one hundred and seventy k it is a

1173
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: good salary, it doesn't go nearly as far as it

1174
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: should given the price of housing.

1175
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 4: This is astonishing.

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00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: We're going to cover this in a separate segment, probably

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00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: to drop on the weekend. Just put this up on

1178
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: the screen from Bloomberg. Sixteen percent of Californians can afford

1179
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: to buy home in the state.

1180
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: You know why, you.

1181
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: Have to earn two hundred and eight thousand dollars just

1182
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: to be able to qualify for a thirty year mortgage.

1183
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: So like your standard issue mortgage, you got to be

1184
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: earning two hundred and eight thousand dollars. So even in

1185
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: the ups, drivers doing well one hundred and seventy k

1186
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: in California still probably can't afford a house. And that's

1187
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: a big part of the story of why, you know,

1188
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: the middle class has just been decimated in this country

1189
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: and why it is so so difficult no matter what

1190
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Speaker 1: you're doing, to be able to get your foot on

1191
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: that ladder of financial security.

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00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely correct, And you know the UAW relates

1193
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: a lot to this as well.

1194
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. So a lot going on with the UAW.

1195
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: As I brought you before, there is a potential strike

1196
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: looming among the Big three automakers. That contract expires on

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00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: September fourteenth. They also, like the Teamsters, have a new

1198
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: more militant president who was just elected by their members

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Speaker 1: to take a more aggressive stance and posture in terms

1200
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Speaker 1: of these negotiations.

1201
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 4: So there's a little bit of a backstory here.

1202
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: One of the executives of the Big Three, Stilantis that's

1203
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: now called he has been putting out all this Oh,

1204
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: you guys got to be understand economic reality and you've

1205
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: got to be reasonable.

1206
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 4: In your approach.

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00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: You put on this letter that just was so patronizing

1208
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: and absolutely enraged the membership.

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00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 4: They also came to the table.

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00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: With a deal that was flat out rejected by the

1211
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: new UAW president John Fain as not serious as expecting

1212
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: them to take concessions at a time when they are

1213
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: very much expecting to make up for some of the

1214
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: concessions that they took in the past, in particular in

1215
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: the way the workforce bailed out the Big Three along

1216
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: with taxpayers back in that two thousand and eight two

1217
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: thousand and nine era. Well, now it comes out that

1218
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: this dude, the executive CEO of Stilantis, while these negotiating

1219
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: negotiations have been going on and not even in the country.

1220
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: He's in his second home, vacationing in Acapulco. Take a

1221
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: look at us. So he is out there living it

1222
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: up while he's putting terrible deals on the table and

1223
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: calling for workers to accept economic realism.

1224
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: Soccer Apparently he and his.

1225
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: Husband just bought one of the most expensive mansions in

1226
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: all of Detroit. His husband is also an Amazon executive.

1227
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: Apparently got this beautiful mansion, second home in Acapulco that

1228
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: he's spending lots of time in during these negotiations. It's

1229
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: just absolutely unbelievable and really does tie into they think

1230
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: they're entitled to this life, and then the workers who

1231
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, create the profits general do the labor to

1232
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: generate these profits, are entitled to just the minimal scraps.

1233
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: They're the ones who have to face the economic reality.

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00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you don't need a second home in Mexico.

1235
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: You know it sounds nice, must must be nice, actually

1236
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: be able to jet away and issue statements and all

1237
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: work like this and all of that. Apparently the CEO

1238
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: of the company made twenty five million dollars last year

1239
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: and they're head of bargaining. As you said, he just

1240
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: bought the most expensive house in all of Detroit. I

1241
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: genuinely wonder if these people don't understand public rect It's like,

1242
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: do you know what this is going to look like

1243
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: whenever you're saying these types of things, or I mean,

1244
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: to be honest, I think it just don't care. How

1245
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: many people are really going to cover it us a

1246
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: couple of local Detroit papers that's pretty much yet, And

1247
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem. You know, nobody really does

1248
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: cover labor that well in the country, and a lot

1249
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: of these people, unless you know Ted Cruz, everyone's all

1250
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: somebody gets in trouble for going to kankun But this

1251
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: is business as usual and have kind of has been

1252
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 2: for a long time. So it's discussing, but as the

1253
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: part of the worst is like how banal it is

1254
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: actually in the context of how normally these things kind

1255
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: of go.

1256
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's going to be interesting to see how

1257
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: this all plays out. I mean, right now, it looks

1258
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: very much like a month from now they could be

1259
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: heading towards major strike. Obviously, this would be huge, it

1260
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: would be you know, certainly one of the largest strikes

1261
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: in recent history. Put this up on the screen, A

1262
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: little bit of the backstory here the ongoing tensions. They

1263
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: say tensions rise in UAW contract talks with Stalantis as

1264
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: strike threat looms. UAW President Sean fain said in a

1265
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: statement that Stalantis has broken a pledge not to seek

1266
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: givebacks in this round of talks in which the union

1267
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: is seeking more than forty percent general pay raises over

1268
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: four years, restoration of pensions for new or higre's cost

1269
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: of living increases, and end to wage tiers and other benefits.

1270
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: So Sean Fainn and the UAW have made it very

1271
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: clear they're not taking a concessionary contract period, end of story.

1272
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: So when Stillant has showed up with a contract that

1273
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: was like, but how about you take some concessions, they

1274
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: were understandably outraged by the way that forty percent pay

1275
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: raise that they're seeking over four years. The reason they

1276
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: pick that number is because that is the pay raise

1277
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: that the CEOs of these companies have gotten over that

1278
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: same timeframe. So they're saying, listen, if you're doing well,

1279
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: that's great, God bless let us in on a little

1280
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: bit of this prosperity.

1281
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 4: And again, these automakers are doing well.

1282
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 1: Stillant is actually the most profitable of the Big Three

1283
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: at this point. So you know, they're making some big asks.

1284
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: They feel like they have a unified workforce, they have

1285
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: a real commitment, they've got militant leadership, they've got a

1286
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: tight labor market, and they're willing to go to the

1287
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: table and push really hard for what they think they deserve.

1288
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: And again, keep in mind that these workers all took

1289
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: a big haircut and gave up, among other things, their

1290
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: cost of living increases as part of the auto bailout

1291
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and nine. So you know, we

1292
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: remember the taxpayers bailed out the Big Three. That was good,

1293
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: we should have done that, protect American industry jobs, et cetera.

1294
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: The workers also were part of helping with that bailout,

1295
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: such that their pay you know, in absolutely when you

1296
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: account for inflation, is way down from where it was

1297
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: during that period. And so they're looking clawback a bit

1298
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: of what they have given up over those years to

1299
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: make these automakers profitable.

1300
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1301
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: And you know, one thing good thing too, is that

1302
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: history and politics is really on the side of the

1303
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: UAW here because in previous times, what would they do.

1304
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: They're going to slash and burn and they're going to

1305
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 2: outsource to China, to Japan, or sorry to outsource Japan

1306
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: to China and to Mexico. But because of the political

1307
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: wind shifting completely against that, they don't have that option this, Yeah,

1308
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: and I think that really is to the benefit. The

1309
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 2: main part is we've got to get our trade policy

1310
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: unified such that foreign competitors can't come in and do

1311
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: what they did in the nineteen seventies, which was basically

1312
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: undercut the American market with cheaper made goods because of

1313
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: our ridiculous free trade policy. So if you make sure

1314
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: you protect that and you actually give the union, you know,

1315
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: if you give the union the living wage and then

1316
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: also focus things on the quality control side and all that,

1317
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: we actually could have what we haven't seen in a

1318
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: long time, which is an actually good, you know, well made, American,

1319
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: union made car. There's a lot of things have gone

1320
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: wrong with the car market over the last fifty years,

1321
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: but outsourcing was one of the original sins that killed

1322
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: it completely.

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 3: So this is a good thing though. That's really on there.

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01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in the ev transition, if they want to

1325
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: take advantage of the incentive tach laid out by the

1326
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Biden adminstration, it's gotta be here. Now, the Biden administration

1327
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: did screw up and get crosswise of the union on

1328
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: their ev incentives because they didn't require these new factories

1329
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: to have union labor or to match the wages of

1330
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: the workers who are building the traditional gas power cars.

1331
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: So that's a major sticking point. It's part of why

1332
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: the union has not endorsed Biden when most other unions

1333
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: have fallen in line. So there's a lot going on

1334
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: there too. But this is one to watch, guys. This

1335
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: is getting more and more heated and could have huge

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Speaker 1: implications for the economy and for workers in general.

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Speaker 3: Certainly could. We're going to keep an eye on it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get to it. The Song of the Summer,

1339
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: isn't that what the kids call it? There is a

1340
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: new number one hit in this country. Let's go ahead

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: and put it up there on the screen. Oliver Anthony,

1342
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: he's a Southern Virginia gentleman, has now reached the number

1343
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 2: one spot in the United States on the iTunes chart

1344
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: with the blue collar anthem quote Richmond.

1345
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 3: North of Richmond.

1346
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and assume that some of

1347
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: you guys have actually heard it. We can't play it

1348
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: for you because of YouTube copyright law, music in particular

1349
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: is pretty vicious. But we do have some of the

1350
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 2: quotes that we can go ahead and pull out for people.

1351
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and put mister Anthony playing this

1352
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. So in terms of the

1353
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: actual lyrics to the song, there's been a lot of

1354
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: analysis of said lyrics Crystal, and it's interesting because it

1355
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: certainly has struck a chord. So it opens, it opens,

1356
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: and I think with some good lyrics. He says, I'm

1357
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 2: quote living in the new world with an old soul.

1358
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: These rich men north of Richmond, Lord knows, they all

1359
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: just want to have total control, want to know what

1360
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: you think, want to know what you do. And they

1361
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: don't think you know, but I know that you do

1362
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: because you're dollar ain't shit and it's taxed to no

1363
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: end because of Richmond, north of Richmond. Richmond north of Richmond,

1364
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: of course, referring to people here in Washington. So I

1365
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: think that the first thirty five forty seconds of this

1366
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: song are the reason why the song is such a success.

1367
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't get into any like politics and turn right,

1368
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 2: I think up until an interesting lyric about Jeffrey Epstein, you.

1369
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: Have to be online enough in order to know this.

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01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 2: He says, quote, I wish politicians would look out for

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01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: minors and not just miners on an island somewhere. Lord,

1372
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: we got folks in the street and got nothing to eat,

1373
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: and the obese milk and welfare.

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Speaker 3: So in that specific state, is it a stanza? Is

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01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 3: that what it's called? All right?

1376
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: Sorry, mus again, I don't know enough. That's where things

1377
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: take an interesting turn. He has me up until Epsteine.

1378
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: Then things become a little bit more interesting. He says, quote, well, God,

1379
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: if you're five foot three and you're three hundred pounds,

1380
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 2: taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds.

1381
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: Young men aren't putting themselves six feet in the ground

1382
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: because all this damn country does is keep on kicking

1383
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: them down. So here's my analysis of the song, Crystal,

1384
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: and I understand people are very people love the song.

1385
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: This should be put in a time capsule as what

1386
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: the Republican Party of today is for real, And that's

1387
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: why it's taken off for several reasons. Yeah, it gets

1388
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: to the class anxiety in the first thirty five to

1389
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: forty seconds, right, bullshit, pay over time, subs abuse being

1390
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: neglected by the elites, but then somehow takes a hard

1391
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: turn to Ted Cruz conservatism by going after food stamps,

1392
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: obese people, and welfare. So the two parts of the

1393
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: song don't really actually fit together to me. But the

1394
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: ideological confusion of the song actually is the perfect emblem

1395
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: of the Trump movement, where you have working class people

1396
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: like backing Trump, and then he goes and passes the

1397
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: largest tax cut in history and right, no, no, no, He's

1398
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 2: fighting for the working man. And it's one of those

1399
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: where it, ultimately, I think, comes to the cultural anxiety

1400
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: which belies the plight of mister Anthony and a lot

1401
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: of the people around him. As I understand he has

1402
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 2: terrible substance abuse problem. He found God and has now

1403
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 2: found music.

1404
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: God bless you.

1405
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: It's for real, you know, and it takes and I

1406
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: wish this man absolutely nothing but success, and I continue

1407
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: to hope he does well. I'm more trying to look

1408
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 2: at it as a cultural sensation, and I think that

1409
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: the ideological confusion of that song is it really is

1410
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: the perfect view of what the Republican Party is today.

1411
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: It's like free market libertarian because you also, if you

1412
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: notice he talks about taxation on the dollar and all

1413
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 2: of that. So he's like, well, I want lower taxes,

1414
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,919
Speaker 2: but I'm also not making enough money, and I also

1415
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: am not for redistributed programs like food stamps. By the

1416
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: way I looked into the data, obese actually does seem

1417
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: to go down as a result of the foodstamp program.

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Speaker 9: And so yeah, anyway, curious stuff to buy is crap. Yes,

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 9: And here's the other thing that's not necessarily a foodstamp problem.

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01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 9: That's much more like a macroeconomic problem. I got a

1421
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 9: big a problem, which, yeah.

1422
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: Which you know, if you care about big government, you know,

1423
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: why are we propping up some of these filthy companies

1424
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: that are actually making everybody ridiculous you obese whole other conversation.

1425
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: But like I said, we've got class anxiety backstop by

1426
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 2: libertarian economics. Yes, this song to me is the Republican Party,

1427
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: and that is why it's taken off so much.

1428
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 3: I like your peoples a lot.

1429
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 4: It's true because I'll hear a lot.

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01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like working class rhetoric that's been

1431
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: embraced by the Republican Party. And then you're like, okay,

1432
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: what do you what are we going to do? About it,

1433
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: and it's like we're going to have a dead ceiling

1434
01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: shutdown to cut food stamps.

1435
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 4: Like wait a second, he lost me.

1436
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fact that there's lines back to

1437
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: back that are concerned about people with not enough to eat,

1438
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: and then the very next line is like, so let's

1439
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: go after the welfare queens and cut food stamps. What

1440
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Listen, lots of people on both sides of

1441
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: the aisle have confused politics that if you really flesh.

1442
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 4: It out, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

1443
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: I totally agree with your view of the politics embodied

1444
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: by this.

1445
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: It's like if you take some.

1446
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: Ron Paul libertarianism and you mix it up with some

1447
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: like Ronald Reagan welfare queen throwback politics, that's basically the

1448
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: song that you get. What I was thinking about, too,

1449
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: is why did this touch such a nerve and why

1450
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: did it blow up? Because let me be honest, like

1451
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: I actually do enjoy some music in this genre. So

1452
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm opposed to blues or country or whatever.

1453
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's a good song. Like putting

1454
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: lyrics aside, politics aside, I just genuinely don't think it's

1455
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: a good song. It blew up because of the politics

1456
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: that are in it, and I think there's a few

1457
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: things going on here. First of all, I think it's

1458
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: part of a trend of like this. You can think

1459
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: of Sound of Freedom. On the other side, you could

1460
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: think of Barbie and some other sort of like liberal

1461
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: liberal type of art that there's a real desire for

1462
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: people to wear their politics through their art, the signal

1463
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: like who they are through the art that they're talking

1464
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: about and at least pretending to enjoy. I've been reading

1465
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: I know you already read this book, The Fourth Turning.

1466
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: We've been trying to get the author on the show, Marshall.

1467
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: You guys had him over on the Realignment. We'd love

1468
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: to have you on, by the way. And yes, he

1469
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,839
Speaker 1: had this line that about the particular phase of history

1470
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: that he posits we're in right now, which is like

1471
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: the crisis.

1472
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 4: He has this theory of the periodicity of history, and he.

1473
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: Says, in the crisis phase, you don't ask what does

1474
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: this art say to me? You ask whose side does

1475
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: this art say that I'm on?

1476
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: Interesting. That's a good call out.

1477
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: And that landed so much for me. Listening to this

1478
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: song again, like Sound of freedom, Barbie or is that.

1479
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 3: In a small town trying huge small sensation?

1480
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 4: Such are so.

1481
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: True, and I think it's especially true on the conservative

1482
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: side of the spectrum because they do feel very sort

1483
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: of like culturally sidelined. So anytime there's music, film, TV,

1484
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: whatever that they feel like represents their political perspective, you know,

1485
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: however imprecise or whatever, there's such a celebration of it

1486
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: because there's this deep desire to be like culturally visible

1487
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: and relevant. So even if the song is like not

1488
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: all that good, the fact that it has a lyric

1489
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: about you know, welfare queens or about inflation or whatever,

1490
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: it's like yes or Jeffrey Fsa is like, yes, I'm

1491
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: going to embrace this. I'm going to love this because

1492
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: at least I feel like this person is like sort.

1493
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: Of like me.

1494
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: So I pulled my redneck friends and I said, all right,

1495
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: why do you guys love the song?

1496
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 3: What's you know?

1497
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: And look, I think it's yeah, I think it's good.

1498
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 2: I like, like I said, I like the opening part.

1499
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: Country music in general is not for me. I grew

1500
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: up in Texas bombarded with it, so I've rejected it ever.

1501
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: Since I left.

1502
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,960
Speaker 2: They basically explained it this way pretty much is what

1503
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: you said. They're pissed off that quote. Nashville country has

1504
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: gone woke, and alt country is increasingly also going woke.

1505
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: People in particular right now are very upset at mister

1506
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: Tyler Childers for having a song about some gay coal miners.

1507
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it, but apparently Childers played foot

1508
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: seat with BLM kind of when things went out and

1509
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: people were pissed at him, and so he went down.

1510
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: But then he had a recent music video where there

1511
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: were like two gay coal miners in one of his videos.

1512
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: His fan base got pissed off at him. They're like,

1513
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: what are we doing here? Like what are you trying

1514
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 2: to do? And so it was seen as a kind

1515
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: of a betrayal. At the same time, we've seen Jason

1516
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: Aldean come out with Try That in a Small Town,

1517
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: which is a surge to a massive head in the country.

1518
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 2: So I think that the line that you just said

1519
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 2: really encapsulates it, which is like, whenever you want your

1520
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: you want your art to reflect exactly like your personal

1521
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: political conviction. And that's I think Anthony's the thing is

1522
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 2: the other genius thing about the Anthony song. If you

1523
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: think about it is it renites the entire Republican coalition.

1524
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: You've got the small business Republicans who love.

1525
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: The welfare line.

1526
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: You've got the working class people who love the beginning

1527
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: lines about bullshit pay over time. You've got he's very religious.

1528
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 2: He opened his most recent show with a reading from

1529
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 2: the Bible, so you've got the evangelicals he was. You know,

1530
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: he's got all the hallmarks of like the evangelical, like

1531
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 2: saved by Christ from substance abuse and again listen, God

1532
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: bless you man. I truly wish this man the best.

1533
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my analysis. That's why I think it's

1534
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: a search to a number one hit. I also think

1535
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: you can feel some of the appears from what I've

1536
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 2: learned a little bit about him, some of the pain

1537
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: that the man has gone through lives in Appalachia from

1538
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: you know, I think he genuinely was telling a story

1539
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: like mirroring his own life, yeah, work, earning very bad money,

1540
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: drowning his sorrow, and substance abuse, drugs and alcohol, and

1541
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: then you know, finding the Bible and then also turning

1542
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: to music to kind of outlay that. So there is

1543
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: something about the authenticity of where he's coming from where.

1544
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to doubt him.

1545
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 2: I just think it's fascinating to look at it as

1546
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 2: a as like a piece and just to be like,

1547
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: this is it. Like if you were to ask me

1548
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 2: about what Republican politics at twenty twenty three, a look

1549
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: like it would be this right here.

1550
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1551
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 5: You know.

1552
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: Interesting side note about where he's fris from Farmville, Virginia.

1553
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: There's a very elite private boys' school, College Hampton, Sydney, Okay,

1554
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: that is in Farmville.

1555
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 4: It's it's very rural. He's not like, you know, present,

1556
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 4: he's not like an elitist or what. I'm not saying that.

1557
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: It's just funny because there is this like it's the

1558
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: sort of school that if you have.

1559
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 4: A kid, sorry Hampton Sydney alums.

1560
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: Out there, if you have a kid who doesn't do

1561
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: that well in high school, you can pay a shitload

1562
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: of money to send them to the school. And it's

1563
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: like they went to an elite school because of like

1564
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: the connections and whatever that they get.

1565
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 4: That's Hampton's.

1566
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: It's like Georgetown Prep anyway, Sidwell Friends or any of

1567
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: these places.

1568
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so some of the problems that he's concerned about

1569
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 4: are very close to home.

1570
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: That area is is a gen this is the other.

1571
01:12:58,479 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: So I saw some people be like, he's not even

1572
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: from malach It does that.

1573
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: It's not an Ablachie. I wouldn't call farm bilobolage, call

1574
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: it rural Virginia. It's just very it's I mean, it's

1575
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: very rural. It's like farm, it's farmful. It's very country,

1576
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: rural farms, et cetera, just kind of in the middle

1577
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: of the state.

1578
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: So, as a Northern Virginia resident, I take offense, mister Anthony.

1579
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: We're the one.

1580
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: Who paid all your taxes, all right, SBF. We had

1581
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: to make sure that we covered this absolutely crazy development,

1582
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: and I know there was a lot of consternation around this.

1583
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 2: So that actually does seem like quote unquote justice is

1584
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: working out here at the very least.

1585
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1586
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: SBS have been officially thrown in jail and had his

1587
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 2: bail revoked. The judge determined that there is quote probable

1588
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: cause to believe the defendant has attempted to tamper with witnesses.

1589
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: At least twice twice.

1590
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: The most egregious allegation against him is that SBF actually

1591
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: allowed a New York Times reporter to come to his

1592
01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: house and review the contents of his ex girlfriend, Caroline

1593
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: Ellison's diary. At the same time, what he did is

1594
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: apparently he used a VPN to watch a football game

1595
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 2: rather than a television quote says something about the mindset

1596
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: of some of the things that he was engaging in.

1597
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: But the most crazy thing really was basically trying to

1598
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 2: provide dirt on the witnesses against him by inviting these

1599
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 2: reporters to come to his house, providing them copies of documents,

1600
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: showing them the contents of said diary, and then quote

1601
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 2: covering his tracks by trying to stop what was trying

1602
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 2: to stop from it being connected to him because he

1603
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: knew it was in violation of the actual bail agreement.

1604
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 2: And at the same time, what they undersod what we

1605
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 2: understand is that there was a lot of consternation about

1606
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 2: the charges that were being dropped against him on campaign

1607
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 2: finance law. There was evidence we thought of corruption, but

1608
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: it actually doesn't appear to be that way at all.

1609
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: Let's go and put this up there simultaneously. What we

1610
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: learned is that one of the most serious charges against

1611
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: him was only dropped because of a technicality, and that

1612
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: when he was facing extradition, the government had only agreed

1613
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: to send him to the US on fraud charges. Prosecutors, however,

1614
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: wrote that to keep the treaty obligations, they would have

1615
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: to scratch that charge to make the illegal political donations.

1616
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean he's getting away with it because

1617
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: he's still faced with dozens of other charges. They are

1618
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: instead going to supersede with different charges that will not

1619
01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: violate its treaty agreement with the Bahamas. So it's not

1620
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,879
Speaker 2: that it was being dropped because he was quote unquote

1621
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: getting away with it. They are still going to be

1622
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: prosecuting under the current statues. And now he's got his

1623
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: ass thrown in jail for violating the terms of his

1624
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: agreement allowing reporters to read your girlfriend's diary.

1625
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 3: That's a or ex girl, well, polycule diary.

1626
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what these people refer to each other

1627
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: as anyway, scumbag move don't think as much as a contle.

1628
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so what he did is because he I

1629
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: think she has probably flipped on him and is cooperating.

1630
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: And so what the judge is saying is basically he's

1631
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: trying to tamper with the jury and like turn them

1632
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 1: against her and make her look that. So, rather than

1633
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: him directly transmitting this diary to the New York Times,

1634
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: which would be easier to track, instead he invited the

1635
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: reports to come to his house so he could more

1636
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: surretitiously show them the diary. But apparently wasn't fooling anyway.

1637
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the other thing.

1638
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy thinks he's so frickin' slick. He

1639
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: really thinks he's pulling one over on everyone, and we

1640
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 1: see right through him at this point. So, you know,

1641
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: because of his own actions, his own stupidity, he now

1642
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: finds himself in for real jail until his trial.

1643
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 4: It's just an astonishing turn of events.

1644
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: And you know, if you read the diary entries, I

1645
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: don't even think that it was a smart play to

1646
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: try to turn people against her.

1647
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,640
Speaker 4: Name's Caroline, right, Caroline.

1648
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: Against Caroline because she comes off kind of sympathetic, like

1649
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: she's almost like a pawn. They first of all, they

1650
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: totally pay her way less than all of the other.

1651
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: Topics that gutve.

1652
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: She's still making millions, so don't feel too bad for

1653
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: she felt completely overwhelmed, in over our head, like she

1654
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: didn't know what she was doing, like she wasn't up

1655
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 1: to the task, severe doubts about her own abilities to

1656
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: steer the ship. She feels like she there's no end

1657
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: in sight, et cetera, et cetera. And so what she

1658
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: comes off looking like is more of an easily wielded

1659
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: pawn than herself some sort of a mastermind player. Now

1660
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: we'll see that doesn't mean that she didn't commit fraud

1661
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,600
Speaker 1: knowingly that she didn't. You know, I'm not trying to

1662
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: let this woman off the hook. I'm just saying in

1663
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: terms of SBF trying to make some power play here.

1664
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't even think that this was an intelligence. Don't

1665
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: think it worked out the way that he wanted it

1666
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: to work out.

1667
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: I think he cultivated a relationship with the media, and

1668
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: he's addicted to it.

1669
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like this.

1670
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: He loved the profile that he was getting, he loved

1671
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 2: the publicity, and he just couldn't give it up. I mean,

1672
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 2: Michael Lewis, apparently you know who doesn't want to be

1673
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 2: written about by Michael Lewis, one of the great you

1674
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: know authors of our time. He's been spending a lot

1675
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: of time at his house, you know, writing a new

1676
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: book on SBF. SBF was always a guy to do

1677
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: DM and get on the phone. Remember he spoke by

1678
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: it about us. He's writing a book. Yeah, I actually

1679
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: can't wait to read. It's gonna be fun.

1680
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1681
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1682
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean he's one of those people who he just

1683
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 2: loves the attention. Remember he did multiple interviews. He did

1684
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 2: that one with the New York Times against the advice

1685
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: of his lawyers. He just loves the spotlight. I think

1686
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 2: he's I genuinely think is a mental I think is

1687
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: an addiction. I think is a sickness that causes him

1688
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: to act out see that in this way. And I think,

1689
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 2: you know, his hubris and all of that. As he said,

1690
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: he thinks, he thinks he's the mastermind. And I think

1691
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: that he's cultivated that person persona in his head which

1692
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: caused him to pull off one of the most alleged

1693
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 2: biggest frauds really of all time, and to be a

1694
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: symbol really of like the zero interest rate crypto phenomena.

1695
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he's been told his whole life he's

1696
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 1: this genius boy, genius.

1697
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 4: I mean, tonnad what wonder kind, et cetera.

1698
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: And so he, you know, just blesses all of his

1699
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 1: actions with this supposed genius and thinks that he is

1700
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: so much smarter than everyone else in the room.

1701
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 4: But didn't work out.

1702
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 3: For no, it did not.

1703
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 4: All righty area, you're looking at it well.

1704
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: I want to start off by saying that, unlike most

1705
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: people who talk about the decline of San Francisco or

1706
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: any other liberal city for that matter, I'm not happy

1707
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 2: about what I'm about to go into. I've had some

1708
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: incredible times at San Francisco. I never really got to

1709
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: see it before it became a tech playground, but even

1710
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 2: when it was, it was relatively safe and it was

1711
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: a hell of a good time. Some of the best

1712
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 2: meals of my life have been in that city. I

1713
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 2: have many friends and even family who have lived there

1714
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 2: for stintce who loved it.

1715
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,799
Speaker 3: Sadly, almost all those.

1716
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 2: People have left, including my family, because in the last

1717
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: few years, it is slowly descending into the realm of

1718
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 2: a completely unlivable and New data from the University of Toronto,

1719
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 2: which analyzed mobile phones used in downtown areas of cities,

1720
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: shows that most major cities actually saw a drop of

1721
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: about one third. That's extraordinary in its own right, but

1722
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: San Francisco has seen a full drop of two thirds

1723
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: vacancy and activity in the city center.

1724
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 3: Other data is backing this up.

1725
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal is writing, quote, Downtown San Francisco now

1726
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: trails nearly every other major urban center in economic health.

1727
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 2: It's twenty five point seven office vacancy rate is close

1728
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 2: to ten percentage points higher than the US vacancy rate

1729
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 2: of SA sixteen point four. That is particularly a problem

1730
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: because San Francisco's funding model is largely based on that

1731
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: of other cities like New York. They levy the vast

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Speaker 2: majority of taxes on the super rich and the commercial

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01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 2: sector to pay for city services. Downtown San Francisco accounts

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 2: for nearly seventy five percent of the entire GDP of

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01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: the city, showing that hits like office vacancy leave them

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01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: especially vulnerable, and the reason workers are fleeing is really

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01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 2: not complicated, as pretty much everyone is seen from news

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Speaker 2: reports in the last few years, property crime rates in

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: San Francisco are some of the highest in the entire country.

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01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: Theft is rampant across the city, both in retailers and

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01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: towards residents. Personal property. This is coupled with one of

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01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: the worst homeless vagrant problems in the entire country, with

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01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 2: many people reporting dangerous near missus on the street and

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01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: a feeling of generally unsafe anytime they leave their homes.

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01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 2: One recent piece of news really hit this Hundreds of

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01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 2: federal workers at the Nancy Pelosi Federal Building working for

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01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: the Department of Health and Human Services will now be

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01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: working from home for the foreseeable future because crime is

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: so awful around the building. The building, which as you

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01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: can guess, was brought to the city by Pelosi herself,

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01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: is an eighteen story monstrosity that sits in the downtown area.

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01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: It also happens to be next to quote one of

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01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 2: the city's most brazen open air drug markets, where dozens

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01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: of dealers and users congregate on a daily basis. The

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01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,839
Speaker 2: San Francisco Chronicle rights that the Pelosi Building in particular

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01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 2: is quote especially popular site for users to get high, socialize,

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01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 2: or pass out, and that the order was given through

1758
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: the building already had a system in place, even where

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 2: a security guard was walking employees to the metro so

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01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 2: they wouldn't get mugged on their way back home. Ironically,

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 2: that order was actually given by the head of the

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Speaker 2: building on the very same day that President Biden, so

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01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: that more federal workers need to come back to the office.

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01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: The order by the federal government is the ultimate admission

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Speaker 2: of how bad the problem is. How can you convince

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Speaker 2: people to come back to the office or even businesses

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01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: to stay open when the Feds themselves say it is

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01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: too unsafe for their workers to come into the office.

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01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 2: That bat signal has gone out to many businesses. You'll

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01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: recall the news we've brought here. Previously, the largest mall

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01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: in the city, the Westfield Mall, actually bought one of

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01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: the ties that I Wear is simply giving up and

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01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 2: turning the property over to its loan holders. Other retailers

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01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 2: are following suit. Nord Trim said it's going to close

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01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 2: both its locations in downtown San Francisco due to dropping

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01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: foot traffic in stores and rampant crime. Whole Foods also

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01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 2: is closing his flagship store in San Francisco after just

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01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: a year, citing concern for the safety of its workforce

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01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 2: amid crime. Now look, individual stories of crime rarely tell

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01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: the full picture of a city, but one woman in

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01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 2: particular came a point of discussion this weekend after he

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01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: posted a TikTok describing her experience. Now, first let's take

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01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 2: a listen, and then we're going to discuss this on

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 2: the other side.

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Speaker 8: I'm literally shaking right now.

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Speaker 14: I was just getting groceries and I live in San Francisco,

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Speaker 14: and I.

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 4: Never really feel fully safe.

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Speaker 14: If you live in San Francisco, I'm sure you know

1790
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Speaker 14: what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 8: And I just caught groceries.

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Speaker 14: I'm walking out of the store and this guy's walking

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01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 14: past me and says, move you, stupid bitch, and he

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01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 14: spits in my face, fits all over my face, and.

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01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 8: Then I say, excuse me, did you just spit in

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01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 8: my face? And he says move or all rape you.

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Speaker 14: There's also people everywhere, and everyone's just walking by because

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01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 14: they're like, I can't handle something else. In San Francisco,

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01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 14: it's always something else. I don't even know where I'm

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01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 14: posting this. If you live in San Francisco, do you

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01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 14: feel this way all the time. I don't feel safe ever.

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01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 14: It literally never feels safe. It's better when it's daylight,

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 14: but nighttime, no, not leaving my house.

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Speaker 2: She's distraught, and unfortunately, the response to the video largely

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01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: from the rite. Actually really annoyed me. Almost immediately, people

1806
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: dug up her account history to say, oh, well, she

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 2: votes blue no matter who or she supported def on

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01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: the police. All that can be true, But over and

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: over again, I'm noticing a trend where anytime something bad

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01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 2: happens in a blue or a liberal city, the overwhelming

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 2: response is a smug well, you shouldn't have voted that way.

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01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: And look, I don't even disagree on policy implications, but

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01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: I do want to flip it around a bit. Scorting

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01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 2: people who are dist and who are having a problem

1815
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 2: and reacting to the terrible conditions in their lives. It's

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01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: just as bad when the right does it as when

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01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: the left doesn't remember the whole learned to Code movement,

1818
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: when left wing intellectuals told coal miners they should learn

1819
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: computer skills to grapple with unemployment and their way of

1820
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 2: life being completely destroyed. And in fact, the scorn and

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01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: the lack of empathy that people often feel when liberals

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01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: find themselves in big trouble is basically the same as

1823
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 2: when elite leftists have the what's the matter with Kansas hypothesis?

1824
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: Over and over again, you hear them say why do

1825
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 2: these stupid Republicans who are borderlined on the poverty level

1826
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 2: keep electing Republicans who work to defund their healthcare, stop

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01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 2: worker protections and minimum wage from being raised, and they

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: push for free trade agreements that actually hurt their own constituents.

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01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: And so when something bad happens to those red states,

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01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: the discourse inevitably pops out a think piece or two

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: about how Republican states are actually moochers who get more

1832
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: benefits than they generate and are downtrodden. Recall Hillary's comment

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01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: she won all the areas which are dynamic and not

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01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: going backwards.

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Speaker 3: I just want to end on that note.

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01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 2: Scorning people for living in awful conditions and being unsafe

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 2: because of the way they've voted at is the road

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01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 2: to hell. And we will never fix anything if that's

1839
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: the attitude, because trust me, they got plenty of ammunition

1840
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 2: side on there too, should something bad ever happen to you.

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01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 3: So there's no point to this monologue. I just saw

1842
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 3: that video.

1843
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 4: That's a lot of points to it.

1844
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

1845
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,839
Speaker 1: become a Premium subscriber today at breakingpoints, Dot.

1846
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 2: Com anyways, So, Crystal, what are you taking a look at?

1847
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 4: Well?

1848
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 1: A stunning series of events recently unfolded in a small

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01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: town in Kansas that has serious implications for free speech

1850
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: for all of us. Marion County Record, small local newspaper

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01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: serving Marion County, Kansas, saw their offices raided and ransacked

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01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,599
Speaker 1: by police, along with the home of their ninety eight

1853
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: year old co owner. Computers, cell phones were taken, personal

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01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 1: records photographed in a series of raids that were so

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01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: aggressive they saw one of the paper's journalists injured by

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Speaker 1: the chief of police, and which was so stressful to

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Speaker 1: Joan Meyer, the paper's co owner, that she collapsed and

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01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: died days later. The Kansas Bureau of Investigations has confirmed

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01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 1: they're involved in whatever this so called investigation is, and

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01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: the more that we learn about it, the more that

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: it stinks. It looks like powerful people in this small

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: town did not like the reporting the paper was doing

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01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: and decided to use the local and state authorities to

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01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: meet out revenge.

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Speaker 4: All right, So here's what happened.

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: All started when journalists for the paper attempted to attend

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01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: a public forum for their local congressman, Jake laturner was

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01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: held at a local restaurant. The owner of that restaurant,

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 1: a woman named Carrie Newell, kicked the reporters out, telling

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Speaker 1: them she refused to allow any members of the media

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Speaker 1: in her business. After writing about that incident, the paper

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01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: then received a tip about miss Newell that she had

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01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 1: a suspended license because of a DUI and had continued

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01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: to drive on that suspended license anyway. Now this had

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 1: implications beyond local gossip. Newell was asking the local council

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01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: for an ABC permit that could be put at risk

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01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: by that duy. The paper was able to confirm the

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01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: tip using public records, but they declined to publish the

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01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: information because as they were concerned about the motivations of

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01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: their tipster. Specifically, they thought that Newell's ex was behind

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01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the leak, was trying to get the upperhand in a

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01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: divorce dispute over who would get possession of the couple's cars. Now,

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01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: up to this point, this is mostly some real, typical

1884
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: small town nonsense, but what happened next was deeply troubling.

1885
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 1: A pissed off nowle claimed that the paper must have

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01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 1: obtained for DUI record by illegal means, and apparently she

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01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: was able to convince the local cops to then pursue

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01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: a broad search warrant. This search warrant was then signed

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: off on by a local judge, in spite of the

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01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: fact that it appears to be in direct violation of

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01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: federal legal protections for journalists. Privacy Protection Act explicitly requires

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01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,919
Speaker 1: law enforcement to subpoena materials rather than obtain search warrants.

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01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Search warrants allow the cops to show up unannounced and

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01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 1: conduct a broad search and seizure. Subpoenas are more narrow

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01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: and require subjects to be notified in advance, giving them

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01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: a chance to contest the authorization. Marion County District Court

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01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: Magistrate Judge of VR signed the apparently illegal order and

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01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 1: hasn't responded to request for comment from other news outlets.

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01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: So armed with this illegal search warrant, the entirety of

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01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: the local police force plus two shriff's deputies, came in

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01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: full force to this tiny newspaper's offices and again the

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01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: home of the newspaper's co owners, Eric Meyer and his

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01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 1: ninety eight year old mother Joan, snatching cell phones, personal computers,

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01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: photographing personal documents, bank statements that were laying on tables

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: inside the Meyer residence. The chief of police was so

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01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: aggressive in snatching one cell phone that he actually injured

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01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 1: a reporter's hand. Days later, Joan Meyer, the ninety eight

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01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 1: year old co owner of that paper, collapsed and died.

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Speaker 4: She had worked at the paper for more than fifty years.

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Speaker 1: According to her son, Eric, Joan had been quite a

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Speaker 1: anguished by the raids, had been unable to eat or

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Speaker 1: sleep in their wake. The Kansas Fure of Investigations has

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Speaker 1: confirmed they have also brought into this investigation, all triggered

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01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: by an unhinged local business owner with political connections who

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: decided to try to throw or wait around. There's another

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01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: layer to this as well, though, which may reveal why

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01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: local law enforcement was apparently so willing to do the

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01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 1: bidding of the license suspended Dui Lady. The police chief,

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01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Gideon Cody, was also the

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Speaker 1: subject of an ongoing investigation by this paper, The Marion

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: County Record. He had taken the role of local ChIL

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01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: chief only recently after taking early retirement from the Kansas City,

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01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: Missouri Police Department under what appeared to be suspicious circumstances.

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01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: The paper was looking into exactly what had happened to

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01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: trigger Cody's Kansas City departure at the time of the raid.

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01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: Certainly convenient for him that all the notes on that

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01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: investigation into what happened there, those have all been seized

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01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 1: now by his department. That allows him access to the

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01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: ongoing reporting, including notes and information from confidential sources, as

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Speaker 1: well as hampering the paper's ability to conclude reporting out

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Speaker 1: whatever that investigation was going to show. According to The

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Speaker 1: Daily Beast, Cody defended this search as part of a

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Speaker 1: quote to criminal investigation and also hinted that there may

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Speaker 1: be more a of yet unknown details. They'll provide further

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Speaker 1: justification for the rate. We'll wait and see if any

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Speaker 1: of those additional details are forthcoming. As for Eric Meyer,

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Speaker 1: the co owner and publisher who just lost his mom,

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01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: by the way, the message to his paper came through

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01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: loud and clear, mind your own business, or we are

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01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: going to step on you. For Meyer, the Marion County

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01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: Record has really been a labor of love. He bought

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01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: it with his mother and his father to save it

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: from corporate ownership. Takes no salary, distributes profits to his employees.

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Speaker 1: He's single handedly trying to buck the trend of local

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