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Speaker 1: Are you willing to fight for what you believe in? Well, today,

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Speaker 1: our guest Raymond Ibraham tells the historical reality of the

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Speaker 1: battle of Christendom against assaults. These men were willing to

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Speaker 1: go toe to toe against another ideological jahad in order

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Speaker 1: to save the West. Don't miss this on the David

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Speaker 1: Rutherford Show. Raymond, my man, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: taking time out of your incredibly busy schedule of lecturing

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Speaker 1: all over the country, all over the world to come

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Speaker 1: on the show and join us to discuss some incredible

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Speaker 1: wisdom and knowledge that you've accrued over your adult life

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Speaker 1: as to the power of Christendom and what it means

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Speaker 1: for societies. And I just can't thank you enough for

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Speaker 1: join us.

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Speaker 2: That's my pleasure, David. I'm very happy to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you great.

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Speaker 1: You know, just before we get started, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to get the audience.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You know where I first discovered Raymond was during my

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Speaker 1: time right after working for the CIA when Libya went down.

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Speaker 1: Part of the spin that came out of that was

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Speaker 1: the government and powers, in particular Hillary Clinton had suggested

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Speaker 1: that all of this took place as a result of

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Speaker 1: these videos online that had sparked this outrage, and after

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Speaker 1: further digging in, we realized that all of that was

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Speaker 1: just a fabricated lie. These were pre planned attacks. If

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Speaker 1: you're paying attention to Sarah Adams, who's on Sean Ryan

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Speaker 1: all the time, my best friend, or better yet, you've

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Speaker 1: listened or paid attention to Raymond for as long as

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Speaker 1: I have, you realize that that's not the case. And

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Speaker 1: what I just want to say, thank you for the

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Speaker 1: work you did to debunk that and to prove what

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Speaker 1: my buddies were saying, not only in their book Thirteen Hours,

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Speaker 1: what they've testified to that this was pre playing, it

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Speaker 1: was stage and it was coming, and so that that

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Speaker 1: really made a huge impact on me. And I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your stance to bring out the truth in that particular

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. That's such a long time ago, but

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Speaker 2: I do distinctly recall, you know, there was one of

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Speaker 2: the advantages of being bilingual and knowing Arabic and watching

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Speaker 2: the unvarnished truth while you're hearing a completely different spinning

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Speaker 2: English in America, and I was hearing way before that

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Speaker 2: planning on this major protest. And then, of course, as

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Speaker 2: you say, I recall the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton trying

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Speaker 2: apparently upset Muslims by some nonsense. So yeah, unfortunately, there's

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Speaker 1: All right, Raymond. So the thing I'd love to have

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Speaker 1: you do is to provide some context for folks out there,

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Speaker 1: because I think what's taken place and a lot of

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Speaker 1: the history books and the way history is taught is

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Speaker 1: that somehow these crusades kind of launched out of these

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Speaker 1: there had been hundreds of years of jahad waged against Christendom,

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Speaker 1: not only in the ancient cities of where Christianity original,

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Speaker 1: So would you provide a little context as to the

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Speaker 1: magnitude and the savagery that was involved in those initiatives.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, David. And you you know, you hit on the

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Speaker 2: most important point when it comes to the crusades, which

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Speaker 2: is that they're always presented nowadays in a vacuum. In

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Speaker 2: His name is John Esposito, and he's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite one. I love that book.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, And okay, so there it is

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Speaker 2: that because the resistance is from Christians fighting Muslims who

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Speaker 2: are conquering their lands. And that's not the Those are

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Speaker 2: all topics that nobody wants to touch. It was the

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Speaker 2: opposite of it was Christians terrorizing and killing Muslims. Of course,

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Speaker 2: that would be all over and Muslims could be presented

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Speaker 2: as heroes. Yeah, that would be a major movie. But

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Speaker 2: such as it is, it won't.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I completely concur with that, you know. I

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Speaker 1: I think about, you know, as a kid, and and

435
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Speaker 1: what were the things that really were inspiring me? And

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine if if there had been more movies

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Speaker 1: that really talked about that historically for me, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the seventies growing up. You know, I'm I'm it's

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Speaker 1: all you know, the World War Two movies, right, it's

440
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Speaker 1: a bridge too far, it's uh uh, you know those movies.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, it's also the the other concepts

442
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Speaker 1: of you know, American past our, American past of in

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Speaker 1: the United States and the conquest.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: One of the things, you know, what, what why do

446
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Speaker 1: kids always play you know, Cowboys and Indians is because

447
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: you grew up during those times and now you're like, yeah, man,

448
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: we you know these people, these trappers in particular, I

449
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Speaker 1: just read an article yesterday about how Scottish immigrants in

450
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Speaker 1: the you know, sixteen hundreds would join forces with Native

451
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Speaker 1: Americans and integrate into their tribes and in order to

452
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Speaker 1: you know, understand the Savage West. And you know, so

453
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Speaker 1: there's all this history that had I been exposed to

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Speaker 1: as a young man, would have driven me, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: closer to faith because I would have said, all right,

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Speaker 1: oh man, I you know, because one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I think I struggled with after leaving the teams

458
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Speaker 1: was all right, I need to I need to, you know,

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Speaker 1: put that away, you know, I need to put that

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Speaker 1: that warrior mindset off to the side, so I can,

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Speaker 1: you know, integrate into society where when you're I mean

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Speaker 1: just the time you're talking about, from what's seven eleven

463
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Speaker 1: to fourteen ninety two and even beyond. You know, Christians

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Speaker 1: have been fighting for their place in the world, for

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Speaker 1: their place in their own lands against a never ending assault.

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Speaker 1: Right and if I had seen that, and if I

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Speaker 1: had seen, you know, something powerful like that, what that

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Speaker 1: would have done. It would have, I think, strengthened my

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Speaker 1: face therefore strengthened my culture, and strengthen my confidence of

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Speaker 1: where I come from and who I am. So I agree.

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Speaker 1: Now there is there is a I think a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a gouge out there that Mel Gibson is

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Speaker 1: making a movie about the Siege at Malta. I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that's a true and it's not just internet nonsense. But

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Speaker 1: maybe that'll crack the case right and get started for us.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you just said please, I'd like to elaborate because

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Speaker 2: you you really, you really brought up some very important

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Speaker 2: points which resonate with me. When I was a younger

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00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: man as well, especially, I always thought like, if I

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Speaker 2: want to be a good Christian, I have to essentially

481
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Speaker 2: be a woman, you know, I have to be so

482
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Speaker 2: emasculated and anything that I had a natural proclivity for.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've always enjoyed medieval warfare and the image

484
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Speaker 2: of a night and warriors from multi members.

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Speaker 1: Remember the movie ex Caliber, back from the old days.

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Speaker 2: First.

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Speaker 1: Lady of the Lake, Like, I must, dude, if I dude,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many off the time, RAYM and

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Speaker 1: I come out and I'll go just be sitting there

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Speaker 1: and my kids will be around. I'll go on all

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Speaker 1: notth rock with bus, but dude, hell right, and they'll

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Speaker 1: be like, what the hell are you saying. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's it's the sorcery. Yeah, I'm sorry, you know.

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Speaker 2: And but there's this kind of like thing in the culture,

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Speaker 2: especially again, if you want to be a Western Christian,

496
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Speaker 2: where like that's bad, that's you know, you're you're, that's

497
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Speaker 2: that's evil. You have to be a doormat. That's the

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Speaker 2: only thing I've since come to that this is actually

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Speaker 2: all by design.

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Speaker 2: There's this kind of like thing in the culture, especially

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Speaker 2: again if you want to be a Western Christian, where

516
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: like that's bad, that's you know, you're you're, that's that's evil.

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Speaker 2: You have to be a dormat. That's the only thing

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Speaker 2: I've since come to learn that this is actually all

519
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: by design. You know, if you're an enemy of Christianity,

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00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: the number one thing that you're gonna want to do

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Speaker 2: is convince Christians that the religion begins and ends with

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Speaker 2: turning the other cheek, Okay, and it doesn't. Is that

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Speaker 2: a component of Christianity, of course, but it's very much

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Speaker 2: balanced with something else. And that's you know, the classic

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 2: idea of heresy. The meaning is you take one aspect

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Speaker 2: of teachings and ignore the rest. And so that's really

527
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Speaker 2: what's going on. They've they've convinced Christians, you know, you

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Speaker 2: want to be a good Christian man, then you're essentially

529
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Speaker 2: going to become a woman. Okay. You have to be

530
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Speaker 2: totally masculated. You have to you know, reject any kind

531
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Speaker 2: of militancy or anything like that, because that's all evil.

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00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: That's evil Crusaders. And this, by the way, is why

533
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: the Crusaders are so hated, and they must constantly and

534
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Speaker 2: always be demonised, because if people really know what are

535
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Speaker 2: all about, they're actually very attractive and something you are

536
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Speaker 2: going to gravitate towards and kind of want to emulate. Okay,

537
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: because they are heroic and they're good, and they're Christian

538
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: and they're noble and chivalries, et cetera, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: that's why I think for decades, it's not centuries, they've

540
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Speaker 2: been so attacked and undermined because people who don't like Christianity.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this sometimes, but you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the last Super Bowl. I think it was

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Speaker 2: one before where this is the classic example. They had

544
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Speaker 2: this commercial and there was no talking. All it was

545
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Speaker 2: was images of people washing the feet of other people, okay,

546
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Speaker 2: And it was, ironically enough, all the people on their

547
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Speaker 2: knees washing feet were white, normal traditional looking Americans, and

548
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Speaker 2: everyone getting their feet washed where okay, people of color,

549
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Speaker 2: Muslim wearing a turban and a woman in a hit job,

550
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Speaker 2: you know, a migrant who obviously in the scene is

551
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Speaker 2: like they just crossed the border. And it ends up

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Speaker 2: by saying something like Jesus didn't each hate, he washed

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Speaker 2: his feet. Okay. So that is the approved promoted form

554
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Speaker 2: of Christianity in the West. And if you follow that,

555
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: and that's all you do, which is your doormat, and

556
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Speaker 2: you turn the other cheek. And by the way, it's

557
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Speaker 2: easy to do all that stuff. So in a way,

558
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Speaker 2: it's kind of a they make a virtue of advice,

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Speaker 2: the Christians who actually embrace this, because it's easy not

560
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Speaker 2: to be confrontational, it's easy not to stand up for

561
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Speaker 2: what's right. It's easy to be a doormat and let

562
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Speaker 2: people walk all over you. So, but that is the

563
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Speaker 2: kind of thing that's being approved, and you can see

564
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Speaker 2: why it is so unattractive and why so many men

565
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: fall away from Christianity rightfully, so because that is not it.

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Speaker 2: That's not the truth the real Christianity. Yeah, you have tolerance,

567
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Speaker 2: you have forgiveness, but you also have cords of whips

568
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: and tables being overturned and righteous indignation and wrath, and

569
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: that has been completely torn us under and not part

570
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: of our Christian heritage, which the Crusaders and all these

571
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Speaker 2: pre modern heroic Christians definitely understood. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: you know you want to When you mentioned what you

573
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Speaker 2: were saying, it reminded me too of my youth and

574
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Speaker 2: how I just thought like, either I'm a really bad

575
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Speaker 2: Christian or I need to like stop liking these things.

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Speaker 2: And this is also why can you find Westerners who

577
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Speaker 2: convert to Islam, because at least it gives it room

578
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Speaker 2: to vents for these sorts of masculine traits. And if

579
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Speaker 2: you feel like the only thing you know, Christianity all

580
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Speaker 2: offers is beeping and acting like a woman and being

581
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Speaker 2: a doormat, Yeah, I get it for how that so

582
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Speaker 2: many men just can't tolerate that it's so against their nature. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that was a little ranked that you've sort of god

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Speaker 2: to my mind.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it. You know what I found

586
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Speaker 1: fascinating is that you know, you've got this beautiful Egyptian descent, right,

587
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: you grew up speaking Arabic and English, and so you

588
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Speaker 1: can read the language. So it's not as if, you know,

589
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: you're interpreting it through all those different you know, translations

590
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Speaker 1: that either diluted or whatever the message or protected the message,

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Speaker 1: if you will. But you know, I certainly have spent

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Speaker 1: my fair share in Muslim lands in particular most of

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Speaker 1: the time I spent I spent in Afghanistan, and and

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Speaker 1: you know I worked with a ton of different interpreters

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Speaker 1: and from different sets and different uh you know background,

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Speaker 1: Shia and Sunni, and you know, have numerable friends that

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Speaker 1: uh you know, have worked with all of them different

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Speaker 1: in Iraq and all over Africa, you name it. And

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Speaker 1: and you know what what what I always you know,

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Speaker 1: extrapolated from their stance when I would press them, because

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Speaker 1: when I was doing that, I was going through this

602
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Speaker 1: time in my life trying to figure out what it

603
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Speaker 1: meant to be a Christian? Can't I be a warrior

604
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Speaker 1: and a Christian too? And it's because I had no background.

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Speaker 1: I had no understanding of the knowledge that you have,

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Speaker 1: the wisdom that you have from our background. And so

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Speaker 1: I would hear these men talk to me in earnestness

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Speaker 1: because they have a tendency any culture that's been in

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Speaker 1: war for as long as the Afghans have, they talk

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Speaker 1: in real terms and their perceptions and terms that are

611
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: imbued with the presence of violence, right eye for an eye.

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Speaker 1: And and so what I remember respecting most about their

613
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Speaker 1: stance and their faith was the strength that they imbued

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Speaker 1: in them, the masculinity that emerged from their faith. And

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Speaker 1: I had a profound respect for that. And I think

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Speaker 1: we're seeing that, you know, kind of rise again. And

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Speaker 1: we're seeing that rise again in areas that had, you know,

618
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Speaker 1: traditionally been predominantly Christian and nature. And when you look

619
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Speaker 1: at at Western Europe and you look at you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at Britain, and you look at or England,

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Speaker 1: and you look at Ireland. Man, you see there's I

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Speaker 1: think this confidence collapse that's taking place because of the

623
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Speaker 1: profound amount of immigration that's happened. When you look at

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Europe and to a certain extent

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Speaker 1: in America. You know, there was that just that recent

626
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Speaker 1: thing in New Jersey that they're trying to implementary law

627
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Speaker 1: in a particular magistrate, you know, but you look at

628
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Speaker 1: it in particular Europe and the place where these you know,

629
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Speaker 1: the historical relevance of these these men that fok back

630
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Speaker 1: against the tyranny of Jahad. You know what is taking place?

631
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Speaker 1: Uh for these young men over there. What is a

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Speaker 1: way that they can reintegrate themselves as as a predominant

633
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Speaker 1: voice in their cultures in order to combat what seems

634
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Speaker 1: to be a growing temperature of radicalization.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they unfortunately have a long and hard road against

636
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Speaker 2: them because they've gone so far back with what they've done.

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00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: And again, you know, the best way to understand is

638
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Speaker 2: compare and contrast their behavior with their ancestors who I

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Speaker 2: describe in you know, let's say, Defenders of the West,

640
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Speaker 2: and I talk about European heroes who were the exact opposite.

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Speaker 2: These were the men that we were alluding to earlier,

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00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: the heroes who actually gave everything they had and they

643
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: didn't have to. A lot of these men were kings

644
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: and emperors who actually left everything just to go and

645
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Speaker 2: fight and defend the cause of Christendom. And you know,

646
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Speaker 2: it's what's interesting to me, and I've said this before,

647
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Speaker 2: is whereas Muslims are walking in perfect continuity with their ancestors,

648
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: they still have the same mentality because it's part and

649
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Speaker 2: parcel of Islamic teaching, which is hostility for the non Muslim,

650
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: the infidel, the camper, and you know, the imperative to

651
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Speaker 2: conquer and subjugate, etc. And you see this from Muslims

652
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Speaker 2: both in the Muslim world, but even more so in

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Speaker 2: Europe because wherever you go and you have large pockets

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Speaker 2: of the Muslims, you know, think Sweden, think England, Germany, France,

655
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: you have problems, serious problems. Okay. But then the West,

656
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Speaker 2: we were talking about the defenders of the West, the Christians,

657
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 2: their modern descendants are actually walking in perfect discontinuity with

658
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Speaker 2: their ancestors. So instead of fighting tooth and nail and

659
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: resisting them, they're going out of their way to bring

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Speaker 2: them in. And I always say this, and it's just

661
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Speaker 2: it's so mind boggling when you think of it this way.

662
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: But unfortunately, too many Western people, white people, if you will,

663
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Speaker 2: they think of themselves as sort of, you know, as

664
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Speaker 2: because they look at Western nations and they see that

665
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Speaker 2: they're still the majority, and they think somehow, you know,

666
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Speaker 2: they owe it to everyone else. But in reality, if

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Speaker 2: you look at the world population, the white population is

668
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Speaker 2: something like four percent of the whole world. And I

669
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: just find it amazing that that four percent is the

670
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Speaker 2: one that is being obligated to open its doors to everyone,

671
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Speaker 2: to abnegate and disavow its heritage and its religion and

672
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Speaker 2: its culture and its civilization, to suppress itself. It's just amazing,

673
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, you've never seen such self suicidal impetus. And

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Speaker 2: then you compare it to the earlier with the ones

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Speaker 2: we're talking about, the heroes, their forefathers. Little they hate

676
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 2: them and they don't want to talk about them, the crusaders,

677
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Speaker 2: and they want to suppress them. Because they're doing the

678
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: exact opposite. Whereas the first guys, the heroes, were fighting

679
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Speaker 2: for the cause of Christiandom and Christianity, fighting for their

680
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: cultures and their civilization, these Europeans, at least their leaders,

681
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Speaker 2: are doing everything possible to destroy their people. I mean,

682
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Speaker 2: when you look at it, when I hear stories coming

683
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Speaker 2: out of England, the attack on free speech that you

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Speaker 2: can't even say the truth and you're gonna get It's

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Speaker 2: just I don't get how the English people don't realize

686
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: they've become slaves, Okay, and it doesn't matter if they

687
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Speaker 2: think those people are elected officials or not. It's one

688
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: big charade at this point when they're doing what they're

689
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Speaker 2: doing and so obvious. Wow. And I put in one

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00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: of my books, I have a quote from some sort

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Speaker 2: of parliamentarian in Germany, I think in Munich, Stephanie something,

692
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Speaker 2: and basically she gets up and says, oh, you know,

693
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Speaker 2: I have news for all you right wingers who are

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Speaker 2: complaining that, you know, this city or Germany mineral is

695
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Speaker 2: going to be Muslim majority in whatever years And that's

696
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Speaker 2: what Actually some Pew numbers pere results pupils say that

697
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Speaker 2: like twenty something like twenty fifty Muslims might be like

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Speaker 2: fifty percent, and she goes and that's a good thing.

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00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: I mean, think about that mentality. And I just told

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Speaker 2: you you're four percent of the world population and you're

701
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Speaker 2: boasting because you're that four percent in its own homeland,

702
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: is giving up its homeland even more. It's just it's

703
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: really a sick, almost diabolical mentality, and it's become so

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Speaker 2: pervasive that people don't notice it. It's you know, you

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Speaker 2: I always talk about the boiling frog syndrome. You know,

706
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Speaker 2: if you're in that, then you're boiling and boiling and boiling.

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Speaker 2: It just you don't even get it anymore. But this

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Speaker 2: is you if you can step out of reality from

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Speaker 2: all if people could look at what's happening in the

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Speaker 2: West and what the West is doing to itself, it's

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Speaker 2: just mind boggling. It's utterly unprecedented. But as far as

712
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: your question, you know, what, what man, you can do?

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Speaker 2: That's this is why I say it's so hard because

714
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Speaker 2: everything is set against them every from the way these

715
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: the models of Christianity are being demonized constantly, to the

716
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Speaker 2: fact that you can't even open your mouth without possibly

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Speaker 2: getting in trouble with the law. It's the system is

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00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: not going to work for them. Okay, the bottom line

719
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Speaker 2: is doing it the normal way at the voting poll

720
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Speaker 2: or the voting booth, it's not going to work because

721
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Speaker 2: the whole thing is at this point rig But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, you know, I was telling you, why

723
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Speaker 2: do they actually try to emasculate men and Christians. There's

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Speaker 2: a reason that they want to hear in the West.

725
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Speaker 2: You know, they want to convince every boy that he's

726
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Speaker 2: a little girl. And it's not just perversion, which it is,

727
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Speaker 2: but it's also if you want to rule and govern

728
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Speaker 2: and dominate a place, you want to do it. You

729
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: want to rule and govern a country run by women.

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Speaker 2: And if I turn every man and make him think

731
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Speaker 2: he's a woman essentially, and he's just given up on

732
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Speaker 2: he doesn't ever resist, I'm going to rule and control

733
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 2: that country. So that's I think been going on for decades,

734
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Speaker 2: and that's why Western men have been so emasculated, and

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Speaker 2: so even at this point, I don't think they could,

736
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Speaker 2: you know, get up and do what they have to do,

737
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: which is whatever is necessary, because of generations of them

738
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: being so utterly emasculated from every corner, one from kindergarten,

739
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: from the media, from the church that they go to. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's become a very difficult thing. And you know it's

741
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: not very hopeful, but such as a situation, and it

742
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 2: might have to get worse before it gets better. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's heavy and and and true all of it. Everything

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00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: you said before. I let you go, Raymond, because I

745
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: know how busy you are, and again I really appreciate

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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: your time. Is there a particular person that you a

747
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: story that you can reference or just you know, drop

748
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: that seed, right, be that sower for young men that

749
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: are going to watch this show, or even young women

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00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: you know that that are fascinated by what you're saying.

751
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: But is that there there's that one person in history

752
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: that if they dig into and they get going, that

753
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: they could get going and find this history and bring

754
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: it back to life and as almost a you know,

755
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: a crusade in their own faith, right in their own soul,

756
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: the battle that's taken being waged in their own soul.

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Speaker 1: There is there a person that you would lead to.

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00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, and maybe because we already spoke about him,

759
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you why it's even about and beyond that.

760
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: But it's pellagious of Spain, of the reconquista. The man

761
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: who was in the hold Up region. And the reason

762
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: I say that is his situation was not unlike what

763
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: I just described. Think about it. His country had been

764
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: destroyed and taken over by the enemy openly, and a

765
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: lot of his countrymen succumbed. And and you know, we're

766
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: willing to lit as basically second class citizens of Muslims,

767
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: and they were being abused, you know, even though they

768
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: were paying their tribute. It wasn't they were. But he

769
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: then a very tiny band of the radicals who wouldn't

770
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: not dane to submit to the Yoka Islam, suffered and

771
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: went and lived in a cave just and they were

772
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 2: described like animals who are just gonna die off because

773
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: they didn't even have food, okay, and because that's how

774
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 2: bad the situation was. But they persevered. And like I said,

775
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: you even said the word seed right now. They they

776
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: mentioned the mustard seed. And from that tiny thing, and

777
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: even though they went through so much suffering and sacrifices,

778
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: it developed. It took centuries. And that's why you know,

779
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: when we talk about Europe right now, it's this even

780
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: if even if this was emulated, and something like that

781
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: would happen to sort of resistance movement. It's gonna take

782
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: a long time to you know, readjust and realign and

783
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: bring things back to normal, but it could be done.

784
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: Even these guys. Look what they did. They chose a

785
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: life of sacrifice for what they believe, and they actually

786
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: anchored it in Christian faith, and they fought back and

787
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: and maybe out of some other point we can talk

788
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: about just war theory, because that's a whole other issue,

789
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: you know.

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00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're well and man, I'd love to have

791
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: you back regularly to tell these stories, to bring it

792
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: back into the forefront of our consciousness here in the

793
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: States and Christian consciousness, to reinvigorate Christian men to recognize

794
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: what where they come from and the heritage. I would

795
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: love to have you back, Raymond. What's going on right

796
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: now in your life? Where can people find all of

797
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: your material? What where can they find your books? And

798
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: how can they follow you?

799
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: Sure, David, The one easy quick way is just my

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Speaker 2: website Raymond Ibrahim dot com. R A Y M O

801
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: and d I B R A H I M and

802
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: all my articles are there and links to my books

803
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: and videos I've been trying to kind of cultivate a

804
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, so on occasion I also make videos, and

805
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: this video will be on it as well, which is good.

806
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: And as far as the topics that were discussing, because

807
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: you know, I've read several books and each one deals

808
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: with something and I had it right here because I

809
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: was actually quoting from it. But anyone who's interested in

810
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: the heroic aspect here it is Defenders of the West,

811
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: the Christian heroes who stood against Islam. The story of

812
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: Pelagius is in there that I was talking about. But

813
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: also all these other guys who, like I said, who

814
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: just and so many of them are and you know,

815
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: like King Richard. You hear by King Richard and you

816
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: read what's written about it by modern historians, and he

817
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: just appears, like above, you know, a dirt bag, and

818
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: it's just a really bad way. You read the primary sources,

819
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: including what the Muslims said about I mean, you just

820
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: get this amazing hero, a self sacrificing king basically. So

821
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: there's definitely a lot of correctives that need to be done.

822
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, if anyone's interested, I think I would recommend

823
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: that book because it really is no it's the one

824
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 2: that will most inspire young men to understand what it

825
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 2: was to become a Christian warrior.

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Speaker 1: Outstanding Raymond, I can't thank you enough, and God speed

827
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: on your journey and your message. Brother, take care.

828
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Speaker 2: Thank you, David, I appreciate it. Sing to you.

829
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: Another powerful, powerful message that we've had on the David

830
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: Rutherford Show really stoke. Raymond came on and shared that stuff.

831
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Speaker 1: What we want to also just inform you, we have

832
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: this great Patreon account where we have additional content available.

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00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: We have all this extra information. I'm going to be

834
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: teaching motivational courses in the future. I'll be giving motivational

835
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: live events with Q and A. Go visit us at

836
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: our Patreon site. At David Rutherford's show, It's two dollars

837
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: easy subscription fee. We got a lot of great stuff.

838
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Speaker 1: Did something special coming soon. We're going to announce on Wednesday,

839
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: so don't miss it. Our Patreon account. History it's one

840
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Speaker 1: of the components that I think in the modern era,

841
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: we're beginning to realize that there's a lot more to

842
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: our history than we've been allowed to understand. I think

843
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: you see it all over the Internet and all different

844
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: types of historical podcasts that are emerging, from Dan Carlin's

845
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: History podcast to Darryl Cooper who's constantly under salt his podcasts,

846
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: and many others. What's taking place is we're starting to

847
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: really dig in. And what you heard today from a

848
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: man that has been comprehensively dedicated to the history of

849
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: Christians in the fight to survive from Raymond Ibraham was

850
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: something that was powerful. And I hope you recognize that.

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Speaker 1: I hope you realize that maybe, well a lot of

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Speaker 1: what you've been told about the Crusades was just not accurate,

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Speaker 1: and that the Crusades were a result of four hundred

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Speaker 1: years of vicious, savage attacks on on a religion of peace.

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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I have no illusion about

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Speaker 1: about other aspects. And you know, the automatic response I

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Speaker 1: typically hear was what about the Catholic Church and pedophilia

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Speaker 1: or what about the Catholic Church? And and it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's atrocious behavior to children and women and all

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Speaker 1: these other things. Yeah, got it. No, no one group

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Speaker 1: of people are are are innocent of their their sins.

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Speaker 1: That's the point of Christendom, right, that we aren't comput

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Speaker 1: We're always sitting and we That's what Christ died on

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Speaker 1: the cross for so that our sins would be forgiven.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other aspect is to recognize that, you know, in

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Speaker 1: society today, there's many people that are are completely happy

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Speaker 1: in a Latin and very gracious towards other people and

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Speaker 1: their ability to you know, and their ability to allow

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Speaker 1: certain cultures to fight for what they believe in, to

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Speaker 1: allow Muslims to be able to stand up and consume

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Speaker 1: city blocks and have called a prayer wherever they want,

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Speaker 1: or to allow you know, israelis right which to fight

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Speaker 1: for their own sovereignty, their own existence, and the existential

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Speaker 1: threat that Israel faces every day. You know. But there's

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Speaker 1: a bizarre thing I think taking place where there's a

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Speaker 1: large group of people who have a problem with Christians

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Speaker 1: fighting for what they believe in. And I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: why that is as they promote others, but I know

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Speaker 1: for me, I'm proud to be a Christian. It's been

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Speaker 1: the most important thing in my life. But it's also

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Speaker 1: been a struggle to try and understand what about my

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Speaker 1: faith that invokes a deeper spirit, a deeper, deeper sen

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Speaker 1: of pride that I'm willing to stand toe to toe

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Speaker 1: against an enemy that wants to take me down, an

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Speaker 1: evil enemy, that negative insurgency. And so what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do, you know, after this beautiful, glorious Easter weekend,

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Speaker 1: which is not about Easter egg hunts and and family dinners.

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Speaker 1: It's about, you know, the reality that that my Messiah,

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Speaker 1: my my my living God rose based on the word

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Speaker 1: of God, the good news that God loves you, and

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Speaker 1: that if we love our neighbors, we'll find salvation in

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Speaker 1: the afterlife. And and for that he was crucified. He

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Speaker 1: was attacked for those beliefs. I ain't much like Christians

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Speaker 1: around the world. They're being attacked now. And he was attacked,

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Speaker 1: and he was condemned, and he was nailed to that cross,

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Speaker 1: and he died. But he didn't die for his own sins.

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Speaker 1: He died for yours. He died for mine. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that we should bear the burden of that sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: And I think at its heart, that's what Christianity is

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Speaker 1: really about. It's the recognition that we must be willing

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Speaker 1: to sacrifice what we want, wish and desire for the

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Speaker 1: person that needs it, needs to be lifted up and

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Speaker 1: needs to be propped up, and said Hey, it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I forgive you, but guess what you have to get

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Speaker 1: in the fight of life. You have to be righteous

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Speaker 1: in order to achieve that salvation. And the reality was

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Speaker 1: he is risen, and that's the whole thing. He was crucified,

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Speaker 1: and then three days later he arose that's been under

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Speaker 1: attack since the moment had happened. And if you look

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Speaker 1: at the persecution of the apostles, you look at the

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Speaker 1: a person of persecution of the possible that I most

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Speaker 1: connect with in this life, and that was Saul who

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Speaker 1: out and sought out to destroy Christians, to kill them,

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Speaker 1: to get rid of them. And through that divine invention

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Speaker 1: on the road from Damascus, you know, Christ appeared blinding

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Speaker 1: him and then he had the scales removed from his

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Speaker 1: eyes so he could see the truth of what Christ was,

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Speaker 1: who he is in our lives, his actions and what

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Speaker 1: they represent, which is a fight, and our salvation is

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Speaker 1: tied to that fight. And so what did Paul do? Man,

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Speaker 1: I mean three shipwrecks. He was almost stoned to dell,

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Speaker 1: the emperor speaking to the emperor directly and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can be saved. And what did they give him?

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Speaker 1: They gave him a dose, right, they chopped off his

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Speaker 1: head and crucified him, just like they did all the

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Speaker 1: rest of them. And so from that movement of standing

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Speaker 1: up for your beliefs, Christendom spread and spread all through

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Speaker 1: the Middle East, all through the areas that we now

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Speaker 1: see have been overtaken and are dominated by these different

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Speaker 1: decided they were going to persecute Christians and get rid

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Speaker 1: there's jahad for some is an obligation. And then for

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Speaker 1: four hundred years they went after penetrating all the way

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Speaker 1: up into France, all through Italy, all through all the

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Speaker 1: ancient world. They eradicated the oldest churches, killed millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of people, enslaved millions and millions of people, until

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Speaker 1: finally someone decided, I'm going to stand up and fight

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Speaker 1: for what I believe in. And from that recognition I

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Speaker 1: was able to develop some strength in my own life,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily to go out and and don my shield

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Speaker 1: or don my armor and wage war, but more so

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Speaker 1: to don the armor of God's love so that I

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Speaker 1: can wage war against sin, wage war against the evil

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Speaker 1: that's out there, that's corrupting young people, corrupting people, and

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Speaker 1: more importantly that it corrupted me in many different ways.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the key to recognize, is that

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Speaker 1: through that strength of the Word, through those actions of Christ,

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Speaker 1: you are strong, and you're strong enough to wage a

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Speaker 1: war beyond just preaching the good news or the word.

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Speaker 1: But it's literally to take up arms if you have to,

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Speaker 1: to dig in and allow your culture to exist when

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Speaker 1: it's under assault, and you can't let all these other

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Speaker 1: ideas you know, infiltrate and convince you that it's not,

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Speaker 1: because for for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years

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Speaker 1: it has been under assault. So whether or not you

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Speaker 1: want to take the literal meaning, And you know what

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Speaker 1: does everybody always say. Everybody comes back and they say, well,

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Speaker 1: Christ was a hippie man. He didn't have an army,

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Speaker 1: he didn't go out there and persecute his enemies or

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Speaker 1: anything like that. And I'm like, yeah, that's true. And

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Speaker 1: he wanted to preach love, and if we can get

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Speaker 1: that point of love, you know there's an there's an

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Speaker 1: opportunity for salvation. But you know what, at twelve, he

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Speaker 1: did enter the temple and he did confront the people

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Speaker 1: that were and contra being saying contradictory things. And then

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts of Christ, his legacy and

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Speaker 1: his story was when he flipped the tables over. He said,

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Speaker 1: you know, how dare you come into the house of

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Speaker 1: the Lord and do what you're doing? Man? He flipped

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Speaker 1: those tables. So to try and generate this idea that

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Speaker 1: Christ was some weak person, I just here's what I

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Speaker 1: want you to do, is I want you to go

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Speaker 1: read the Book of Revelations because that's some powerful stuff

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Speaker 1: right there. It's an incumbent upon people when your culture

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Speaker 1: is under assault, or your belief systems are under assault,

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Speaker 1: that you are willing to rise up in a capacity

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Speaker 1: and don that armor and to fight for what you

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Speaker 1: trying to understand, I beg you to go read Raymond's books,

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Speaker 1: The Defenders of the West, The Sword, and the Sickmutar. Right,

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Speaker 1: go read these incredible stories of the Reconquista. Go read

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Speaker 1: these incredible stories of Malta, those incredible epic battles of

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Speaker 1: the siege and Constantinople and other areas, and read your

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Speaker 1: rich history because you're part of that. If you are

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Speaker 1: a Christian, that's a part of you, and don't deny

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Speaker 1: that truth. Don't deny that history because that's the history

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Speaker 1: that will make you strong. Jordy and I just want

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