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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff on Josh. There's Chuck,

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Speaker 1: there's Jerry in for Dave, and this is short Stuff

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Speaker 1: the Happy Foods edition, which I'm good with. I like

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Speaker 1: Happy Foods. Did you remember this from your past? My friend?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean you wrote this article? No? I didn't.

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Speaker 1: This is uh, this is back when we were at

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Speaker 1: hou Supports dot com and this was a Josh Clark special. No,

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Speaker 1: I did not. I have no recollection of it whatsoever. Chuck.

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Speaker 1: You know why is because I uh sent you the file.

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Speaker 1: I cut out the Remember we always had to do

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Speaker 1: this kind of corny couple of paragraphs at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I cut those out. Okay, all right, I mean listen

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Speaker 1: to this sentence. Gabba is produced during the crib cycle,

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Speaker 1: a physiological process by which new treats are converted to

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Speaker 1: energy for cellular use. I should have seen my own

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Speaker 1: genius in that amazing sentence. Let me ask you, honestly,

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Speaker 1: when you were reading this or you're like, oh god,

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Speaker 1: this this stuff a little bit, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty ancient Cornell University study. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: those two seventy seven participants were probably undergrads getting extra credit.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I did beat up on myself a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: this is a Josh Clark special and it's about how

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Speaker 1: certain foods can make you happier and some foods can

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Speaker 1: make you maybe tend toward depression or a little down.

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Speaker 1: And it is not just I'm not talking about comfort

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Speaker 1: food We are going to mention that briefly, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's science, right, science, yes, thank you, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there's a distinction that we'll get to happy foods

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Speaker 1: and comfort foods. I call them happy foods. That's another thing.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's a pretty deufest thing to call them,

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Speaker 1: I feel, But it's weird. Is I feel comforted knowing

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Speaker 1: that I was criticizing myself. It all just seems right

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Speaker 1: and normal now. But um, we're gonna call them because

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Speaker 1: I call them that back in the day, back in

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Speaker 1: the odds. Happy foods, which are foods that actually can

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Speaker 1: affect your mood, whereas UH like directly through physiological action,

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Speaker 1: whereas comfort foods or things that have uh an effect

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Speaker 1: on your mood through psychological processes. Right, And if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the brain and the transmitters, there are a

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Speaker 1: couple that are largely responsible for our moods. Uh, inhibitory

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Speaker 1: and are we going with excitatory or excitatory excited tory?

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Speaker 1: That thought? So I just wanted to make sure you

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Speaker 1: wrote it, just deferring to the author. This is so bizarre.

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Speaker 1: So excitatory transmitters we're talking about, like Nora f and Eprin,

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Speaker 1: Nora Epefrin. Did I say it wrong? I think you

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Speaker 1: said Nora to man. She's been making appearances all over

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Speaker 1: the place lately, probably parts of sound like her. Uh

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Speaker 1: they stimulate she passed away, right? Oh? Did she? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure one of the greats. Yes, she really

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Speaker 1: was one of the great like I don't want to say,

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Speaker 1: where was I was with Nora epinephrin. They stimulate our body,

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Speaker 1: they stimulate our mind, but it can be too much.

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Speaker 1: And what you need is a balance of those excitatory

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Speaker 1: neurotransmitters and the inhibitory which provide which gives things like

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Speaker 1: seratonin to kind of balance things out. And that's kind

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Speaker 1: of where the true good mood lies. Right as I

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Speaker 1: put it, Ultimately, the best moods are found when there's

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Speaker 1: we start producing these neurotransmitters like serotonin or nora epephrin,

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Speaker 1: So there are actually foods that can aid in our

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Speaker 1: But those things are all very high and full late

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Speaker 1: and that's a B vitamin that serotonin needs to be

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Speaker 1: cycle right after this, All right, Dr Crabs. It always

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Speaker 1: reminds me of um, the Adventures of Pete and Pete,

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Speaker 1: but it reminded me of the crib cycle. So, um,

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Speaker 1: gabba is gabba? You know you tyroic acid or gaba.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows what gabba is. It's called nature's valum or

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Speaker 1: nutrients converted to energy for later use, and um, gabba

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Speaker 1: exact opposite of that, because I need comfort food. And

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Speaker 1: when they're craving comfort food. Yeah. There was a study

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Speaker 1: Men tend to seek out things like I do, like soup.

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Speaker 1: like I'm feeling down, Josh, I could really use a steak.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of it in fish and shellfish.

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Speaker 1: And they've done studies and even though they're not um

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I feel really defensive

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Speaker 1: got nothing else? All right, Well, since Chuck's got nothing else,

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