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Speaker 1: Lines and times. My best friend Wes Logan back in

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Speaker 1: the building, Man, Florida really great for you, huh.

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Speaker 2: It went good. It went good. It could have been

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Speaker 2: a little bit better, but definitely blessed to get out

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Speaker 2: of there with two decent finishes and when you finished

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Speaker 2: the Harris fiftieth had a really bad day three, but

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Speaker 2: I'll still take it after the practice I had and

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Speaker 2: my history on that place.

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Speaker 1: So practice was bad, it wasn't great.

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Speaker 2: I thought I could get some bites, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: know if I could get a big bite And then

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Speaker 2: got real fortunate on the first day and caught two

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Speaker 2: real good ones and it kind of just it really

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Speaker 2: went downhill from now.

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Speaker 1: But haven't we talked about this before where you could

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Speaker 1: have a really bad practice, but sometimes that means you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a really good tournament.

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Speaker 2: Most of the time that's how it happens. Hardly ever,

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Speaker 2: have I had a great practice and just went out

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Speaker 2: there and it just it kept working.

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Speaker 1: So what makes a great practice then, because in my

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Speaker 1: mind it would be if you're actually catching them, that

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Speaker 1: makes a great practice, but that probably isn't the case.

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Speaker 2: No, I'd see I get real worried. I've done it enough.

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Speaker 2: I know, like when I'm practicing, if I run over

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Speaker 2: here and do this and catch a big one and

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Speaker 2: then go do something else trying to figure something else

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Speaker 2: out and catch another big one, and then randomly catch

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Speaker 2: another big one, you like you stop and look at

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Speaker 2: the day. You're like, well, I had twenty five pounds,

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Speaker 2: but I really didn't figure anything out. I just happened

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Speaker 2: to get a random lucky bite that day. And if

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Speaker 2: you don't really have anything to go on, I feel

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Speaker 2: like great practices are you get a couple bites doing

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Speaker 2: the same thing, happen to see that, you get one

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Speaker 2: or two big bites, and you're able to put a

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Speaker 2: pattern together and then look at the weather and think, okay,

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Speaker 2: maybe it's gonna get better, or they're gonna move, you know,

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. Just get a little bit of a hint,

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Speaker 2: and then during the tournament it really developed.

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Speaker 1: That's when, again, good practice solely for you is I

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Speaker 1: figured out I've really keyed in how to get a

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Speaker 1: baits they like where they're biting, what time they're biting,

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Speaker 1: in what section of the lake.

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Speaker 2: Yes, especially in Florida, because I feel like if you're

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Speaker 2: getting bites like you may be catching pounds and a

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Speaker 2: half ors, but you could very easily catch a eight

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Speaker 1: You guys are given like three days of practice, right supposed.

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Speaker 2: To until we get a weather delay, and then the

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Speaker 2: back the next tournament gets cut out.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's say just on a regular three day Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you go down to Harris Chain. You've got three

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Speaker 1: days to practice. You've got like six lakes on the chain. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got to figure out a morning, a

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Speaker 1: mid in, an afternoon bite.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: How do you do that on a place like Harris Chain.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I've been there enough and I've tried to sample

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Speaker 2: all of them in practice and it's never worked.

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Speaker 1: So I just different times a little. Would you go

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Speaker 2: If I was going to go just like way off

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Speaker 2: to a popka or a Griffin, I would you know,

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Speaker 2: I would go spend the whole day there fish daylight

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Speaker 2: to dark and then but you have to realize if

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Speaker 2: like let's say this time of year, you find a

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Speaker 2: shad spone at Griffin at seven o'clock and I ran

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Speaker 2: into this in the next tournament at hair I mean

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Speaker 2: at Saint John's, we can talk about that. But you

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Speaker 2: by eight thirty. You can't get there. So you've got

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Speaker 2: to figure out how to get a bite from nine

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Speaker 2: be able to fish there. Now, you might fish there

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Speaker 2: all day daylight to dark, and then go back there

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Speaker 2: during the middle of the day some different way, you know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying, so you just if you're going to

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Speaker 1: So whenever I fished Florida, and I've really only gone

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Speaker 1: as a co, I don't think I've ever drugged my

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Speaker 3: More than likely yes, because you just have to especially there,

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Speaker 3: you concentrate on an area when you find them biting

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Speaker 3: in practice, if they were biting off of this section

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Speaker 3: of pads, but then in the tournament they didn't bite

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Speaker 3: over there, but you got to bite like twenty yards away.

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Speaker 1: You just kind of start expanding that area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you you can't run to different lakes because

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Speaker 2: it takes so long to get there, to get there

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Speaker 2: we have a blast off and have to be back

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Speaker 2: in by a certain time, So you really cut down

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Speaker 2: it still is going to take up an hour and

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Speaker 1: I did watch most of the coverage that I could

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Speaker 1: because obviously our buddy Joseph Webster, Yeah, he's a midway

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Speaker 1: marine ranger Mercury pro, and he ended up finishing seventh

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Speaker 1: all the kudos, all the accolades to that, because you know,

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Speaker 1: as well as anybody you've won one. But it's hard

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Speaker 2: Oh did it so hard? Like he figured a deal

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Speaker 2: out and actually out he basically out fished all of

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Speaker 2: us in Harrison Eustace. I mean, so, like I said,

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Speaker 2: hats off to him. He either had a bait figured out,

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Speaker 2: put his troumotor down and fish. I think it had

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Speaker 2: a lot to do with that. But like I said,

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Speaker 2: I was really proud of him.

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Speaker 1: For sure. It looked like he was having fun.

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I'm sure he was catching five pounders

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Speaker 1: I would have been giggling too, he told me, because

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Speaker 1: end of the day. I'm like, damn, dude, eleven pounds

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Speaker 2: I talked to him in the back line, I think

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Speaker 2: after day three, and he was like, caught my five

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, Bud, are you just making the

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Speaker 2: right moves at the right time.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was almost like everywhere he went between

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Speaker 1: he'd have to be in around those times between two and.

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Speaker 2: Four he would catch one.

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Speaker 1: He would catch one, yeah, and it was I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: I started I just started falling in love with some

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Speaker 1: of the hook sets that I was seeing because man,

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Speaker 1: he was sweeping them. Oh yeah, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: at one point he put up on social media that

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Speaker 1: was sleeping look at them so good. But then I

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Speaker 1: was watching fascination on Instagram and they put up my buddy,

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Speaker 1: the Little Ball of eight West Logan. Damn, dude, I've

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Speaker 1: never seen you set the hook and damn near come

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the way I was fishing, dude, I had

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Speaker 2: to hit them hard. And you know, I had my

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Speaker 2: swimjig rod and sixty pound sunline braid and on my

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Speaker 2: swim jig. Dude, I was just when I would hook them,

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Speaker 2: I would do everything I could to get them out,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, them fishing onto Saint John's are strong

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Speaker 2: like the I don't know if someone's wrong with the

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Speaker 2: hair is chained, But dude, you'd hook one of them

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Speaker 2: and it would kind of fight for a second and

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Speaker 2: are as main a fish I've ever fished for.

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Speaker 1: So I noticed your arc rod you would set the hook.

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Speaker 1: I mean you were putting your back against the wall

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Speaker 1: and that rod just handled all the load. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think people really know this. How tall are you?

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Speaker 1: How much do you weigh? Five eight five eight one

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Speaker 1: fifty five? So when you're setting the hook, what size?

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Speaker 1: What size rod are you using? Primarily on sen giant.

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Speaker 2: I used a seven six and a seven five all week,

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Speaker 2: so a longer rod.

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Speaker 1: So for you to set that, cause it's different. I'm

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Speaker 1: For you, that's a little bit longer.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to put that much pressure and power

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Speaker 2: I feel like I probably overdo it on some of

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Speaker 2: the pound and a half two pounders. Say, but here's

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Speaker 1: One you sent over like a rainbow.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The thing about it is when they when they would

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Speaker 2: bite up in those lily pads or in those bushes,

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Speaker 2: you couldn't see if because the water was so black

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Speaker 2: and the fish or black, you get't know if it

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Speaker 2: was jerking as far as I could every time. But

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Speaker 2: the way the way my swim jigs design, it's not

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Speaker 2: tear a lot you. Basically, I was basically just wanting

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Speaker 2: as hard as I could, because when they got wadded

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Speaker 2: up in those lily pads, they it was either gonna

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Speaker 1: Are those the new ones that you have with arc? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is pretty slick. I saw them in Mark's Outdoors

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Speaker 1: in Birmingham, Alabam, and when I walked by, I was like, damn,

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Speaker 1: these are pretty good looking.

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Speaker 2: They handled. They've handled every test I've put them up against.

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Speaker 2: I've caught multiple six to seven pounders on them and

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Speaker 2: not flexed any hooks with it not being everybody's always

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Speaker 2: has called me, they're like, man, the hook's a little small,

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, but the way we built it, the coating

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Speaker 2: that's on it, as sharp as it is, it's going

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Speaker 2: have them to flex it to get it through their

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Speaker 2: Wow do you have on it? It's one that we

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Speaker 2: built actually in arc so it's our hook that we

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Speaker 2: put in it. Really yeah, custom design. That's what took

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Speaker 2: the longest on the whole jig was getting that hook

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Speaker 2: exactly like we wanted it.

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Speaker 1: So when you are picking out a swim jig, or

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Speaker 1: you're looking at a couple of prototype baits and things

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Speaker 1: like that, what do you like out of a swim jig?

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Speaker 1: Because you're known as like a swimjig.

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Speaker 2: Guy, I'm no expert.

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Speaker 1: I mean feel that one's perfect like the one that.

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Speaker 2: It's probably as close as I've ever seen. Between the

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Speaker 2: the angle of the hook. I don't like it from

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Speaker 2: money on it, But it just seemed a little bit

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Speaker 2: two pounders to three pounders, which is normally a good

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Speaker 2: with that, just because the diameter. The hook was so big,

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Speaker 1: They couldn't get their mouth around it enough for you

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Speaker 2: No, it was more of like when you did set

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Speaker 2: the hook, it was taking so much force to get

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Speaker 2: was tearing like their face.

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Speaker 1: So making a bigger hole right where they.

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Speaker 2: Could come off. Like a lot of times you'd get

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Speaker 2: its face where you did catch it. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I've caught some that landed at the troll motor that

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Speaker 2: I jerked out of the grass and it sits there

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Speaker 2: in phospher A second comes off and it might be

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Speaker 2: a three pounder where you just ripped a gape and

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Speaker 2: hole in it.

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Speaker 1: See. But part of me feels like with as many

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Speaker 1: tournaments that are going on now and as many fish

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Speaker 1: of fish that have been beat up. And it's where

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've caught fish where they're missing half of

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Speaker 1: I caught a fish I think I say you a picture.

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Speaker 1: It was a crank bait fish and literally the crank

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Speaker 1: bait went through its mouth and it was being held

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Speaker 1: like that, I wouldn't think that I was doing any

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Speaker 1: Or doesn't just feel it? Does it? Is it a look?

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Speaker 2: Boat normally, like you'll see them come off in the boat,

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Speaker 2: or they'll come off before they get in the boat,

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Speaker 2: and or like if you do catch and get him

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Speaker 2: out because there's nothing holding it because the hole so big. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that's the biggest thing that's always bothered me about,

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Speaker 2: you know, hooks on swim jigs and and the way

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Speaker 2: we built mine is it's it's a kind of a

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Speaker 2: we put a four alt gap on a no, we

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Speaker 2: put a five aft gap on a four alt shank.

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Speaker 2: And basically what that means is the shank is from

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Speaker 2: the head of the hook the jig correct, but you

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Speaker 2: still have the big bite. It's just not sticking way

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Speaker 1: I like that. I feel like that gives the hook

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Speaker 1: less resistance coming through any vegetation, but having that five

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Speaker 1: ID allows them to have something sturdier to get into

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Speaker 2: The correct especially depending on what trailer you like to use.

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Speaker 2: If you like to use a little bit thicker trailer,

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Speaker 2: like the body of it where it goes onto the

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Speaker 2: hook shank, you're going to have more of a gap

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Speaker 2: in that fishes, you know, the top of his mouth.

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Speaker 1: You do, like a Z craw or something like that,

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Speaker 1: A little smaller.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll even be better. The more gap you

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Speaker 2: better off for your hookup ratios.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, I thought hair's chained, you know, day one.

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Speaker 1: I looked at bass track early and I was like, damn,

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Speaker 1: my boys, are due.

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Speaker 2: We come out hot. The first morning, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I remember I went into the studio to do the

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Speaker 1: Spencer Grave Show with Meghan and I sat down. I

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Speaker 1: was like Less and Joseph for six and seventh right

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Speaker 1: now and the boys are dominating and she goes there.

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Speaker 1: She goes, oh good, like do you think that's gonna last?

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Speaker 1: And I go, I feel like those guys know where

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Speaker 1: to find fish. And then I know you're a buddy

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Speaker 1: of mine, but it felt like you ran.

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Speaker 2: Out of fish. No, I did it just the I

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Speaker 2: had some. Like Day three at Saint John's and day

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Speaker 2: two at Harris Chain was just a disaster. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I lost my first two bites day too at Harris

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Speaker 2: Chain were four pounders they come off, and I wasn't

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Speaker 2: getting very many good bites anyway. And then day three

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Speaker 2: at Harris I just didn't get any bites. I think

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Speaker 2: my area kind of got beat up. A couple of

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Speaker 2: the guys that I was fishing around didn't catch them either.

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Speaker 1: Well to me through day three, first two hours at harrismon, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Day like I started bits, I got one, I had

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Speaker 2: just didn't get to Spindner bait good. I didn't feel

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Speaker 2: like it did. I think it may have actually ate

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way it didn't. Cause a lot

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Speaker 2: and they never did. Looking back on it, Hindsight's twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: I wish I would have ran the griffin. I had

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Speaker 2: But you know, it is what it is on.

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Speaker 1: On like you could play Monday morning quarterback. Yeah, beauty

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Speaker 1: of having this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And man, to be honest with you, it's my

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Speaker 2: fault because I didn't even it. Never once I got

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Speaker 2: committed to Harris and Eustace, it never crossed my mind again,

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Speaker 2: which is how I want, because I don't want nothing

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Speaker 2: in the back of my mind. But after I got

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Speaker 2: I was like, man, I probably should have ran over there,

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Speaker 2: but you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: Well, tell Riley your wife that she did a kick

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Speaker 1: ass job on social media.

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Speaker 2: She's killing it, ain't she's it looks good too.

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Speaker 1: And I love that she did a video the other

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we were like, well, who's holding the camera?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, I mean she's making it look professional and

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Speaker 2: well we don't even have a camera, like, she's just

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Speaker 2: doing it with her phone, So she's she's doing really well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you're in the way in line, because you

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Speaker 1: you have a you've got a signature move, like I

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Speaker 1: could ultimately see this packaged on a couple of your

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Speaker 1: swim jigs. You're the only guy I know that is

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Speaker 1: consistently photographed and videoed crouching next to the bait tank. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like using the bait tank to hold yourself up? Is

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Speaker 1: that you're Do you realize that's becoming your signature move?

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Speaker 2: No? The only reason I'm doing this because I'm about

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Speaker 2: to fall over because my shoulders, my shoulder, I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: I gotta sit there. I and sat down hardly all day.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I've uh, these last two were really bad.

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Speaker 2: I'd get in and I could hardly pick my arm up.

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Speaker 2: But you know it. But yeah, I have noticed that

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Speaker 2: all the videos at the tank, I'm either I got

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Speaker 2: I'm squat squatted down.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you got your a little look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a lot of times I'm upset that I

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Speaker 1: But do the guys say anything to you in the

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Speaker 2: Not much, No, not a whole lot of people talking

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Speaker 2: to me in the back line. They don't they don't

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Speaker 2: really know that they've they've become a little bit timid

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Well, some days could be good. Some days when it's bad,

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Speaker 2: it's bad. Well, I don't have the nickname for the

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Speaker 2: little ball of hates. Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was watching bass track and you know, obviously Joseph

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Speaker 1: he had pretty good fish to maybe get the big

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Speaker 1: Jacob Rosnik begging rolling in, and I mean, I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: every angler up there saying, oh, there's a big fish

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Speaker 1: back there. You guys, get ready, and I'm hoping it

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Speaker 1: was going to be Jojo just walking out there like, hey, man,

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Speaker 1: got ourselves, Like I thought that was gonna be it.

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Speaker 1: And when Jacob came out and he showed that ten pounder,

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Speaker 1: I was absolutely floored. But you have to take everybody

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Speaker 1: through the backside of what happens behind Dave Mercer in

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Speaker 1: the way in line. If you catch a nine or

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Speaker 1: ten pounder, you know you have the big fish of

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Speaker 1: the tournament. Yeah, did Jacob just walk up there and goes, guys,

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Speaker 1: I got one, whether he had three fish, four fish,

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Speaker 2: Fish somehow before he ever got in line, everybody when

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Speaker 2: I walked up, everybody was already talking about it.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if he had told one person.

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Speaker 3: He had to have been on bass track then somebody.

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Speaker 2: He may have told somebody when he pulled up, because

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Speaker 2: when I walked up there, like, man, Jacob's got a

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Speaker 2: big one, I was like, how big is it? And

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Speaker 2: they're like I nine, eleven, ten twelve. I was like,

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Speaker 2: good God. And then when he walked up, everybody was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, let me see it, let me see it.

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Speaker 2: And he picked it up. It's like, gosh, almighty, it

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Speaker 2: was like as long tall as it was long. It

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Speaker 1: Y'all become kids at that point, right, Like you see

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Speaker 1: a big fish like that, and it kind of brings

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Speaker 1: you back to like everybody wants.

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Speaker 2: To see this, especially one that big. Like I mean everybody.

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have some sixes and

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Speaker 2: five down there in Florida, but you catch an eight

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Speaker 2: to ten pounder, like everybody wants.

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Speaker 1: It's a big one.

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Speaker 2: It's a big one for anybody. I mean, we're professionals.

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Speaker 2: We don't catch ten pounders all the time.

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Speaker 1: But like Hamner, you know, catching the fish that he

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Speaker 1: He's like, I've never caught a ten pounder and I

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Speaker 1: still think that's great. When you are in the bagline

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Speaker 1: and Jacob comes in, he's got a big old fish.

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Speaker 1: What's the feeling that hits you if you hear that

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Speaker 1: how many fish does he have? Or you know, do

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Speaker 1: you think do you guys look at bass track once

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Speaker 1: you're in the way in line?

437
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,000
Speaker 2: Definitely?

438
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:37,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

439
00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,919
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of us grab our phone as

440
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,920
Speaker 2: soon as we check in just to kind of see

441
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,960
Speaker 2: how you know, I actually don't that much.

442
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 1: Why not? I feel like that's a set list before going.

443
00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. It bothers me like if I'm real

444
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,560
Speaker 2: close to the cut or something, because bass track's not

445
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,399
Speaker 2: ever accurate, like to a t like a lot of

446
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,840
Speaker 2: people won't have marshals or they won't put it in right.

447
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,600
Speaker 2: I'm I put money into the ounce like every time.

448
00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,399
Speaker 1: But hang on, isn't there a thing in bass where

449
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,920
Speaker 1: after every tournament, the angler that was closest to their

450
00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,240
Speaker 1: actual total weight gets like a checker.

451
00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,199
Speaker 2: I wanted it a Saint John's. I want a thousand dollars. Ye,

452
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 2: just this last week. Really, I just got the check

453
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,159
Speaker 2: in the mail. Yes, so you get a.

454
00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,720
Speaker 1: Thousand bucks if you're just to your weight? Do you

455
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,640
Speaker 1: feel Because I've ridden in the boat with a couple

456
00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,320
Speaker 1: pros and I would name drop the one, but I'm

457
00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,120
Speaker 1: pretty sure he doesn't want anybody to know he'd catch

458
00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,160
Speaker 1: a fish. I mean it was a good one, damn

459
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,920
Speaker 1: good one. And I knew how I mean, you know it.

460
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,199
Speaker 1: And he was funny as hell. He look over and

461
00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,480
Speaker 1: he goes putting two pounds. Let's let him make him

462
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:40,240
Speaker 1: sweat a little bit.

463
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't.

464
00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 1: And personally, I was like, okay, I understand that side

465
00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 1: of it, but as somebody who's a fan of fishing,

466
00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are on bass track.

467
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 1: They want to know what.

468
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 2: I've never understood that because here's the deal. Let's say

469
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,200
Speaker 2: they're not.

470
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,000
Speaker 1: Doing it for the fans. They're doing it to mess

471
00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,359
Speaker 1: with you guys, I guess.

472
00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 2: But like, I don't, I don't look at I don't.

473
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:01,679
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that many guys looked at bastraight to

474
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,719
Speaker 2: begin with. And we're not and we're not supposed to

475
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 2: in the tournament.

476
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 1: No, But that's how guys get the nickname or the

477
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000
Speaker 1: persona of being a sandbager. I mean, we know you,

478
00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,399
Speaker 1: and I know some personally. Oh yeah, they roll up

479
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,280
Speaker 1: and they're like, I got fifteen pounds to you, Like,

480
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 1: damn dude, yeah you can't count that.

481
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and they do get a little bit of

482
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 2: a bad rap with the fans, I will say that

483
00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 2: because they just get tired of looking at it.

484
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 1: What happens like with other anglers, Like if you know

485
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 1: what guys in known sandbag does, does that kind of

486
00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 1: get discounted in your mind where you're.

487
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,159
Speaker 2: Just like I don't even want I don't even I

488
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,280
Speaker 2: don't really pay any attention to what they got. Like

489
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 2: that's why I don't like bass track looking at it

490
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: before I go away in cause like I've already figured

491
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 2: out wherever I'm at on bass track, normally drop down

492
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 2: if I've got exactly what I put in there, Normally

493
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,120
Speaker 2: you take about ten places off and that's where you're

494
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,720
Speaker 2: gonna be. Really, it's it's pretty like it's really close

495
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 2: about every time. So you've got and you got to

496
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,199
Speaker 2: take into count. Like if people don't have a marshal,

497
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 2: they don't want to take the time out of fishing

498
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,199
Speaker 2: day to put them in.

499
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 1: No, you just got to bite. You want to get

500
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 1: right back to the hole.

501
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,160
Speaker 2: Right, I do mine, Like if I'm by myself, when

502
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: I go to move, I'll put in if I've called

503
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,400
Speaker 2: anything as I'm running somewhere.

504
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,359
Speaker 1: Because y'all have the app Yes, well, I remember as

505
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 1: a Marshall, I had to download the app. So you

506
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: just have the app up on your phone. You go back,

507
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: you throw your Mustang Survival jacket on, you immediately.

508
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: Hit open the app. It's real sick. We open the app,

509
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 2: it's says bad fish the way you know. Submitting it's

510
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: it's literally takes ten seconds.

511
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Which is which is great because obviously you're giving a

512
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: detailed account of how big that fish is. It stinks

513
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: because then the information gets input in maybe twenty minutes later. Yeah,

514
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: so you don't really know. Like everybody's on pins and needles.

515
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 1: I just appreciate the guys are doing. Yeah, and I

516
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: don't want to see I don't want to see professional

517
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,880
Speaker 1: tournaments get to the point where like MLF is now

518
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: where you weigh the fish.

519
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: And then it's all amount yeah, because you lose the suspense.

520
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the idea. I mean, I'm also a

521
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,400
Speaker 1: big fan. On Day four, final day of the tournament.

522
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,000
Speaker 2: Track and get new Yeah that's what I was thinking.

523
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: You fish for another couple hours.

524
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: Nobody knows.

525
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: Nobody know.

526
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: They used to do that at the Classic a while,

527
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 2: but I don't know when they stopped doing it. But

528
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: that that builds a lot because you don't know what happened.

529
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 2: And I mean we're running bass live the whole tournament

530
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 2: days now. Like like when I caught that fish, the

531
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: four pound youre talking about the detch, I caught it

532
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 2: with like ten minutes left, Like normally they cut it

533
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: off at like one and you'd never know what happened

534
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 2: for the next two hours. But I mean people want

535
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: to people want to see the live stuff, but the

536
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: bass track deal. The one thing I'd like to say

537
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: is when you put that if you're catching them really

538
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 2: good on bass track and like early in the morning,

539
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: like that first that hairs chain when I did, I

540
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 2: didn't have a big bag, but I jumped up real fast.

541
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: Well there's I bet I had thirty companies and people

542
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: share that on their socials like that morning. Sure, when

543
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 2: I got back in, I could sit and I'm like,

544
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: so you're getting all that exposure even though you hadn't

545
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 2: done great. You jumped up real fast, so your name's

546
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: out there, like, hey, let's keep up with West the

547
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: rest of the tournament.

548
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 1: But that's also a side of the entertainment.

549
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: Is entertainment one hundred percent.

550
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see somebody set the hook like

551
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: a fucking monster. That's what I just want to see

552
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: you Jack, right. Yeah, But when I when I watched

553
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: some tournaments, and like, I also realize that there's some

554
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: baits that you kind of have to finesc do that

555
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: nice sweep. And that's why I appreciated Jojo on.

556
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 2: Some of his he was sweeping.

557
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: He literally made this dude. His personality came out like

558
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: crazy at Harris Jean because he looked back at his

559
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: camera and he go, it's fixing to get right across

560
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: his body. And I know his personality, but I love

561
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: the fact that I started to see that I know

562
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: your personality. So when I watch clips of you and

563
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: I see you set the hook, it's true. I'm like

564
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: he's mad at the world right now.

565
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,719
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty intense when I'm out there.

566
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, Like I had a live camera

567
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: that second day, and man, I'm not going to talk

568
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: a lot, like I'm not that guy now. I mean,

569
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: if everything goes great and we got a good big

570
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 2: lead or something, I thought, but I know I'm out

571
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: there to fish, like I'm out there to do my job,

572
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: and you're there watching and yes, I will like explain

573
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: what I'm doing, but that cutting up and not like Joseph,

574
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: but like when them guys catch one and they're at

575
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: all giggly and running around that that ain't my deal.

576
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Like we're there to fish. We're there to put fish

577
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: in the boat. Like I'm gonna show you how I fish.

578
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: You've got a camera, You're able to see exactly how

579
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 2: I've caught my fish. Like that's what we're there for.

580
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: There was an interesting thing that took place. I don't

581
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: know if it was Harris Chain or if it was

582
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: Saint John's. Trey mc kenny got a penalty mm hm.

583
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: He ran through a no wag zone that wasn't in

584
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: no wag zone any other time. Saint John's bass made

585
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: it in a no wag zone for the tournament. A

586
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that that you guys have

587
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: state laws, yes, laws on the actual body of water,

588
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: but then you also have bass rules that you have

589
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: to fall. So before every tournament, do you guys have

590
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: a zoom meeting? Is there a sit down meeting? And

591
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: is that where you guys go over the rules?

592
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a miss lease. Our tournament director will

593
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: send out a link in our text message that is

594
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's zoom, but I don't know. It's

595
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: a it's a video deal.

596
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: And you get on there and watch the record it.

597
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: You just watch it.

598
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, she'll record, she'll record it, send us to it it.

599
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: Normally she sends it the day for the tournament, from

600
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: between three and six o'clock, like you know when it's coming.

601
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: You just kind of it comes right after you get

602
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: your boat numbers, so like you can't miss it and

603
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: you are required to why it's just like going to

604
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: a meeting, like the sit down meet. Obviously we don't

605
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: have those no more. And I mean they explain it

606
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: to a t very well. And she said straight up

607
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: on the CSX Buffalo Bridge is no wake for safety reasons.

608
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: I went back and listened to it again after he

609
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: said that it wasn't posted no wake.

610
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: So do you treat that like a high school thing

611
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: where it's like you want to you want to scroll

612
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: the way to the back, and just said, accept.

613
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't even supposedly he admitted that he never even

614
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: opened it.

615
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, well he did get the penalty you

616
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: got was an hour and a half where everybody blasted off.

617
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: He blasted off, but then he had to sit at

618
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: the dock for an hour, and that's right. I don't

619
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: know what penalty would have been the right decision. I

620
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: feel like an hour and a half is actually a

621
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: pretty good penalty because that bite in the morning, if

622
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: you're missing an hour and a half of that, And

623
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: it proved to be costly for him because that was

624
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: a very bad day as far as being on the water.

625
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I think he ended up getting a limit that day.

626
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: But if he had that hour and a half back,

627
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: and the fact that he's a rookie so he's trying

628
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: to get into this world, I don't think he'll ever

629
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: miss another one of those videos again.

630
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: No, I would advise him to not. And the next

631
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: thing is like there was a big discussion I saw

632
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: in some comments about him getting snitched on or rated

633
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: out or see. What people don't understand is in our rules,

634
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: if we us as an angler, see somebody break a

635
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: rule and we don't say something, and then they get

636
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: caught and they know that we saw it, we're both guilty.

637
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: We're not guilty as the other.

638
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an accessory exactly because you witnessed creat fraction.

639
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: If I saw him run through there, and I was

640
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: just like, just Trey well, and then somebody finds out, well,

641
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: Wes will fish or not blow that bridge? And I

642
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: saw Trey run thought as Wes said anything, west Ain't

643
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: said nothing. Well, then Wes gets a phone call, Hey,

644
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: why didn't you? Why you call us?

645
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: And I love the fact. I mean, there are a

646
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: lot of guys in bass that are really good at

647
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: self monitoring, self governing. You know, I've watched a lot

648
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: of videos Palamick the year that you won way Lake

649
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: or sorry not late Neeli Henry the year you won

650
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: Neely Henry Pallainick called Lisa and says, I got a

651
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: really weird thing that happened. H I want to explain

652
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: it to you. Let me know what you think. And

653
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: he had to take time out of catching fishing. I mean,

654
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: he was catching fish almost every other cast. But the

655
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: fact that he called in swindle the same exact thing

656
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: he was in a tournament. He did something with a fish.

657
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was caught on the outside

658
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: or whatever the infraction was, but he didn't have anybody

659
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: in the boat. And I remember he put out a

660
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: video where he's like, look there's other guys that won't

661
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: do this. I am going to make this phone call

662
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: because ethics is a big thing. If we lose ethics

663
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: and fishing, we are not going to have tournaments. Because now,

664
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, going down the list of tournament trails, you're

665
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: at the top of the top of the Bass Master Elites.

666
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: You got the Bass Pro Tour with MLF, but then

667
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: MLF has a lot of different steps all the way

668
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: down to you know, Weekend Warriors and bfls. There's a

669
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: lot of talk right now that co anglers are just

670
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: not signing up anymore because they don't want to get

671
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: caught behind a Weekend Warrior who thinks they know live

672
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: scope really well as big as some of the polls do.

673
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: They don't want to sit out there for eight hours.

674
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: I can understand that I fished in the back of

675
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: the boat. I totally understand that. But the problem that

676
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: I see is if you start making all these lower

677
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: tier tournaments become solo boaters, you're going to see the

678
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: amount of infractions of cheating go up. And how do

679
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: you monitor that when you've got two hundred and fifty

680
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: boats on a Saturday camp right?

681
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like and like Slick posting on TikTok, Slick

682
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: Johnson said the other he said, fishermen, there's some bass fishermen,

683
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: then they are gonna cheat as long as a doll

684
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: runs barefooted. Ye, And he's one hundred percent right. We

685
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: don't need it in professional fishing or any kind of

686
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: fishing tournament fishing. But it's it's obviously, you know, getting

687
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: more relevant, the cheating and the felling polygraphs and all that,

688
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: and it's just there's there's no need for it. And

689
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe people need to be made examples

690
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: of like they did back in the day where I'm

691
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: not gonna say what they did, but they made it

692
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: a point that you don't need to come back around

693
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: here cheating.

694
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: Shoot, let's talk about the Walleye tournament guys. Yeah, that

695
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: that story, when viral as viral can be, that was

696
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: even bigger than the fishing community. Yeah, you know, I

697
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: had people calling me in They're like.

698
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all over the news and everything.

699
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: They're like, y'all do this do you stuff filats and

700
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: pass And I'm like, that's Walleye guys, Like they do

701
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: something completely. Do you guys put wits and fishing I'm like,

702
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't even have time.

703
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: No, but what I'm whatever even think to do that?

704
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: Like, it's just see, those guys have been doing it

705
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: for several times. I mean we're talking, We're talking over

706
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: multiple seasons, multiple tournaments, multiple boats, won a lot of

707
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. I mean in the grand scheme,

708
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: it is stealing.

709
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

710
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you guys, the objective is different. But you

711
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: guys are playing high stakes poker. Yeah, you take five

712
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, you say, bass, here's my money. They go,

713
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: you qualified to be here, You're in the tournament.

714
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm playing for that hunter you're in.

715
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up to you. As soon as guys start

716
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: cheating and starting stealing from that pot, that kiddie you

717
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: are stealing from a casino, and as soon as it

718
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: gets caught out. And I mean, I love the fact

719
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: that you know, in Alabama, there's a kid I won't

720
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: say his name, but there's a kid in Alabama who

721
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: has failed two polygraphs and has become you know, the

722
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: black eye of even local tournaments. I was talking about

723
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Tuesday night ers, church tournaments. Just most people would say

724
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: silly tournaments like sixty bucks. But I'm telling you, if

725
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: I find out you cheated in a tournament where I

726
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: paid sixty bucks, I'm not mad about the money. I'm

727
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: mad did the fact that you feel that you can

728
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: get away with check.

729
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Small, Yes, that's a great way to

730
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: say it, because here, Yes, I mean there's some guys

731
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: around the area that I fished that Neeli Henry Logan

732
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: Martin that I mean they failed multiple polygraphs and yeah,

733
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: you might get one. I mean there was one is

734
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: this where it was a couple of years ago. It

735
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: was just an evening tournament deal, a little championship, and

736
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: they didn't tell him they were behind the polygraph. Well,

737
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: he won, and he took the polygraph and failed it,

738
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: and he lost his mind, you know, acted the full

739
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: and went and paid for another lit detector to do

740
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: it again to prove he was innocent and failed that

741
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: one too. So dude, like how I and man, there

742
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: was times where there's guys that show up to these

743
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 2: little evening tournaments and you know, four hour tournaments. If

744
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: they show up and they let them fish, well to

745
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: get our money back and go home. Oh yeah, yeah,

746
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: it's happened two or three times, and it really just

747
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: proves a point.

748
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Like that's why I do love social media for this,

749
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: because you know, there's a guy that's pretty active on

750
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: social media and he's just a weekend warrior, really solid

751
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: guy around the area, and he is not letting anybody

752
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: forget that somebody failed apology es. And what I like

753
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: about it is, if that guy showed up to a tournament,

754
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: I already know what he looks like. I already know

755
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: what his name is. He's got enough of a black

756
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: cloud that circulates and follows him, whether he wants to

757
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: say he's not guilty or whatever. Yeah, I mean, if

758
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: you show up to a tournament, I see you. I'm

759
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: not fishing no, And I'm going to tell everybody else

760
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: this dude's failed multiple PolyGram.

761
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to win today, Like just I don't

762
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: care what you catch today. He's going to be the

763
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: last one to weigh in. He'll beat you by a

764
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: little bit and he'll have a big fish. Every single time.

765
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: It's like ritting on the wall, and like it happens

766
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: that it just blows my mind that it just continues

767
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: to be okay.

768
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: And I hope more tournament directors look at that and

769
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: they go, we can't allow that. No, we just we

770
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: can't do that. Okay, let's switch gears to Saint John

771
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: real quick, because I definitely want to talk about the

772
00:31:54,600 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: difference in Harris Chain being a bunch of lake that

773
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: are all connected by canals and something like Saint John's,

774
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: which is a title fisher m.

775
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: Hm, completely different.

776
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's the thought process when you go

777
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: into something like Saint John's where you know you're gonna

778
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: deal with water coming in and water going out.

779
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luckily we've I think for a lot of us

780
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: we had been there. You know, we've been there multiple times,

781
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: not that time, at this time of year, but you

782
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: kind of had somewhere you could start, like to try

783
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 2: and figure out something in two days, because man two

784
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: and it's really truthfully, you say two days, you're not

785
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: going to fish all day on Wednesday, like you're gonna

786
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: be dead by the time. You know, you're not gonna

787
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: fish till dark. So you really get about two and

788
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: a half or a day and a half, you just

789
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: kind of I mean what I did. I just covered

790
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: as much water as I could, I fished as fast

791
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: as I could if I'd get a bite, I would

792
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: just you know, kind of figure out what was going

793
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: on in that area. How I got the bike and

794
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: I'd move, you know, eight or ten miles down the

795
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: river and see if I could duplicate it or find

796
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: another little area you could get a bite. And I

797
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: just basically I don't do this a lot, but I

798
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 2: waypointed every bite I got, whether it was a twelve

799
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: venture or a four pounder, and I and I basically

800
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: sampled all those places during the tournament. So I think

801
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: a lot of us kind of figured out what bait

802
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: to use or what area that you wanted to be in,

803
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: and then just broke it down during the tournament setting

804
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: the hook on those twelve inentures or yeah, absolutely.

805
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So in in practice you're setting the hook because

806
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: you want to see what sized fish you got.

807
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's right. And a lot of times

808
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: and one thing you got to watch in Florida and

809
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: on Saint John Driver there's a lot of mudfish, a

810
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: lot of bow fenn, grin or whatever you want to

811
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: call them. So you had to check because the first

812
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 2: bite I got was to the first two bites were

813
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: both grin, and I was like, I'm gonna jerk till

814
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: one of them's a bath. And then basically just I

815
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: think with the tide, with that water moving up and down,

816
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: hardly ever, are you gonna pitch on this stump right

817
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: here or this log and a two pounder you shake

818
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: off a two pounder. That two pound is not gonna

819
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: be there tomorrow. He could be gone in two hours

820
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: or an hour, but there may be another one that

821
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: swam up. So you just kind of figured out, hey,

822
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: I can get a bite on this hide on the

823
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: down current side of the log, where if you find

824
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: another one, you know, you kind of put it together.

825
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: How much information do you find out, like when the

826
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: water's coming up, when the water goes out, because a

827
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: lot of people think it's just rise and fall, it's

828
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: it's in and out. Yeah, but if you're fishing an

829
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: area and you've got lily pads, are we talking about

830
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: a three inch difference when the water is low? No?

831
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: We were well at Saint John's. We were where I

832
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: was fishing was like a foot and a half real foot,

833
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 2: you know, sixteen inches at twelve to sixteen inches?

834
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: And were you getting better bites when water was up?

835
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Uh?

836
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: It was more of it just needed to be moving

837
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: one way or the other. Because with a tide situation,

838
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a tied expert by no means, but you

839
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 2: have like a forty five minute to hour two times

840
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 2: different during the day that's just dead. It's not moving.

841
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: It's either a dead low or a dead high. It

842
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: was not good at all like that. You could fish

843
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: over the best stretch on the river and not get

844
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: a bite.

845
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: So your goal in the morning, knowing if it's dead low,

846
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: dead high, you're like, I gotta fish my best stuff

847
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: at this time, at this time, and then when it's

848
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: a dead zone, yes, maybe I'll go over to some

849
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: more traditional things that usually catches them. And basically so

850
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: the tide is trying to manufacture a bike.

851
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: The the times of the tide during the two days

852
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 2: of practice were a lot better for me for what

853
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: I feel like I was doing. And it had I

854
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: got one last day of it on day two or

855
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: day one when I had the big bag and I

856
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: started running out of the coming off of a high

857
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: tide coming to the low. That makes sense. So when

858
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: we were when we started off practice, the low tide

859
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: was at like I don't know, six thirty in the morning,

860
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 2: so as we started practice, you had an incoming tide

861
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: for like four hours, so you had constant current. The

862
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: water's coming up, they're wanting to feed. Well. Then around

863
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: lunch it would be a you know, a dead high

864
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: and then at one o'clock it would turn and be

865
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: coming back out, so you most of your day the

866
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: water was moving well. As the tournament progressed, the low

867
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: tide ended up being around eight thirty or nine, so

868
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: you would have a dead at nine and a dead

869
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Speaker 2: around three.

870
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 1: Is that based on the moon cycle?

871
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

872
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: I just know.

873
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot of charts out there and you can

874
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: put in for this section. The weird thing is an

875
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: app that that I haven't found app I just look

876
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: on the internet. I know a lot of the I

877
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: think Garman has a deal it built in their graph.

878
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Because like some of the guys from Virginia, John Cruz Schmid,

879
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: those guys they fished a lot of title fish. James, Yeah,

880
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: you start going up more into that Chesapeake coastal side.

881
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: You know.

882
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: Piznik's the same way. Even Ike and Ellis has fished

883
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of title places, so they kind of get

884
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: a leg up in places absolutely, it's.

885
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: It's a weird deal. I'm not a fan of tide

886
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: because you can fish. They don't have that on the

887
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: co Yeah you could, you could fish. You can fish

888
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: through a great area and it be the wrong time

889
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: and you never know it right like so, and that

890
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: was another thing, like with just getting one or two

891
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: bites on a stretching practice. Well you may say, well

892
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: I caught a pound and a half or here with

893
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the tide do and then well what if I check

894
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: it when it's like this, I might catch three or four.

895
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 2: And that happened to me on day two. I went

896
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: down stretch, I'd caught one twelve incher and then I

897
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: ended up catching like three two pounders. That I mean,

898
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: it helped me at the time, but like they just

899
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: move so much. But the weird thing about the tide

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00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: there is I don't know if it's the wind blowing

901
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: or what, but sometimes when it's scheduled to do one thing,

902
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: it's not. It's completely wrong and then it just jumbles

903
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: everything up.

904
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: How did the bass react on low to high tide?

905
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: A little more lethargic on low and a little more

906
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: active on high.

907
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: More they get very lethargic if it's not moving like

908
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: you can and you can watch it stop in a

909
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: matter of minutes, and everything will just stop and then

910
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: all of a sudden in forty five minutes, and you

911
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: can watch your clock here, it'll come back the other way.

912
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: And when it starts coming back that other way, you

913
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: better get to where you think you can catch them.

914
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean I would just fish my way, just bouncing

915
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: around on stuff, and when i'd see the tide move, dude,

916
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: I'd run twenty or fifteen miles the other way so

917
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: I could get to where I thought I wanted to

918
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: be with that tide. Not necessarily running the tide, but

919
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: knew what area of the river I wanted to be

920
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: in when it was at a certain.

921
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: You certainly don't want to get too far away from

922
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: where you were getting activity.

923
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: No, definitely not.

924
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean I know some guys were Rodman, and they

925
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: were like, I'm going to stay here.

926
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you don't have to see you have No,

927
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: that's the only deal with Robin. You have no tide

928
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: like once you you know, figure them out over there.

929
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: But and I started practicing, I had a lot of

930
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: guys figured them out over there. No, well they don't

931
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: for some reason they will not live on the bank

932
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: over there, Like I don't know if it's so clear,

933
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 2: but it's it's just a big timber pond basically what

934
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: looks like. I've caught them over there one time when

935
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: they were spawning on the bank, but other than that,

936
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: it's it's they get out there in that timber on

937
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: them bait balls and you know, start schooling and stuff

938
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: and they just you know, life scope really dominates in

939
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: that pond.

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00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: This has been lines in Times and Spencer Graves that's

941
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: vas Elite West logan, the little ball of hate.