1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I received, as I often do best show prep, a 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: link from a listener to some comments that have been 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: put up by a fellow named Calli means. I didn't 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: know if Kelly was a man or woman. I known 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: a CALLI that was a female. I had no idea 6 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: who this person was, and it was an interesting perspective, 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: and so I went to this person's feed and I 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: looked at kind of their body of work and I 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: saw that they were posting some interesting things about things 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: that I care about. And I reached out and here 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: we are and correct me if I'm wrong. Kelli means 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: you are a former lobbyist for the food and drug 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: of food and big pharma companies. Is that right? 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: That's right? 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: And now you have and this is just going by 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: reading comments that you've put up. There's a theme to this. 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: You have a company called True Med Payments that is 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: focused on healthy living and not buying into the BS. 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Take about thirty seconds because there's a lot of want 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: to get to to tell us what that is. 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely well, yeah, Michael, I think one of the biggest 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: issues in the country is through crony capitalism, which I 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 2: saw working for these industries right now. Ninety five percent 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: of healthcare payments go to interventions after we get sick 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 2: to manage conditions after we get sick. So fundaments, I 26 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: think the incentive problem we have is that all of 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: the institutions of healthcare make money when we're sicker for 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: longer periods of time. It's for interventions and chronic condition 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: drugs that prescribe for life. That's how the system makes money, 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: which is what I saw and what Trueman does. What 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: our insight is is that doctors can actually write, literally 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: write prescriptions for food and exercise, things we all should 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: be incentivized to do and actually attack the root cause 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: of nine out of ten killers of Americans right now, 35 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: which are lifestyle conditions. 36 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: All right, So you put up on post ahead. 37 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: If a doctor writes a prescription for food and exercise, 38 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: you can actually use tax free, medically fanished dollars for that. 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: That's our insight. 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: So you're talking about healthy, cost effective ways. You're talking 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: about cost effective ways to have better health. There is 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: no doubt that obesity is the root cause of almost 43 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: every major health condition in this country, and we can't 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: seem to solve that problem. We went from not enough 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: food to too much food or all the wrong foods, 46 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: and it's become a cultural phenomenon. Look at a photo 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: of people frolicking on the beach in the sixties and 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: nobody's fat. Look at a photo today and they're beached wells, 49 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean it is widespread. I mean most Americans have 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: struggled in one way or another with weight. And I 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: don't mean vanity related, I mean obesity. So here's an example. 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: So sixteen hours ago you posted Novo Nordisk, which is ozimbic. 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Uh pays Harvard doctors to say obesity is genetic and 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: not tied to food, and then Weight Watchers uses that 55 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote research to advertise ozimpic and lobby for federal funding. 56 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Step three, Downtown Manhattan is plastered with this Orwellian messaging 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: and that is this fat woman and an ad that 58 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: says obesity is a chronic condition. Let's treat it like one. 59 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: Weight Watchers Clinic, zero stigma, expert care. So I don't 60 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth. What exactly are 61 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: you saying here? 62 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm a conservative, and I think free choice 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: and person responsibility is very important. When you have in 64 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: one generation, right, you basically had sub close to a 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: zero percent OBC rate, zero percent rates and a lot 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: of these chronic conditions like diabetes. Predicting them on kids, 67 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: it was literally zero percent about a generation and go 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: among kids now skyrocketing is now eighty percent of American 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: adults are overweight to obese, fifty percent of US teams 70 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: over waight toor abes. Diabetes among teens is now thirty 71 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: three excuse me, pre diabetes is thirty three percent. I mean, 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: you have a situation where you've got to ask, what's 73 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: happened to the system. Did Americans become lazier? Did they 74 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 2: become more frankly suicidal? With these skyrocketing obest rates? Are 75 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: people trying to have lower life expected? Is what's happening now? No, 76 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: there's really been a systemic weaponization of food. Food's gotten 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: more addictive and it's kinden more toxic, and we can 78 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: talk about that, but there's really been a systemic effort 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: and working for the food and farmer companies. These are 80 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: the two biggest spenders in DC. And what I saw 81 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: was a devil's bargain where we're obviously manifestly right, we're 82 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 2: getting sicker because of food. And I don't think that's 83 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: even disputed. We're getting sicker, fatter, more depressed, born for 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: because of what's in our food. The real criminal thing 85 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: here is that the pharmaceutical and health chemistry, instead of 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: speaking about why we're getting sick, they're profiting from us 87 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: being sick and OBESTI is a great example. So back 88 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: ten years ago, I worked for the food companies as 89 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: we lobbied for continued foodstamps funding for soda, which is 90 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: obviously just suicidal, paying and phebsidizing ten billion dollars a 91 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: year from the federal treasury to soda companies, which is 92 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: what we do with our food stamp program. Soda is 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: the number one item on food stamps. There was not 94 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: a word of protests from medical organizations about that. They 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: were fine with that, they didn't speak out about that. 96 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: In fact, Coca Cola pays money to the American Diabetes 97 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: Association and other medical groups. So now that kids are 98 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: creasing the obese and Americans are increasing obese, now there's 99 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: huge noise from the medical groups that Ozimpic, this new 100 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: miracle drug, an injection that you have to take once 101 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: a week for life. The American Academy, the American Academy pediatrics, 102 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 2: arguing that every overweight or beats twelve year old should 103 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: have that as a standard of care. This is a 104 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: drug that makes pharma, who pays the medical groups, who's 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: the chief funder of the medical groups, including the American 106 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: Academy of pedidaddricts. This is a fifteen thousand dollars per 107 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: year drug per life. That there is aggressive lobbying from 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 2: the medical industry to be the standard of care for 109 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: the largest target market and health, which is obesity. And 110 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: where the research comes in and what I was shocked 111 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: working for the food and pharmaceutical companies is that a 112 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: Harvard research report is like ordering a public relations document. 113 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: This professor for TIMA, Cody Stanford, wh leads OBEs research 114 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: at Harvard, has accepted over one hundred thousand dollars from 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: Novo Nordics. She goes on sixty Minutes, which the chief 116 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: funder of sixty Minutes is pharmaceutical companies, says that obesit 117 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: is a brain disease, it's a genetic condition and not 118 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: tied to food and lifestyle, and that her work at 119 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: Harvard has substantiated that. Companies then take that and then 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: are able to argue that you're anti science and disagreeing 121 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: with research from Harvard if you say that obestie has 122 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: anything to do with the choice, and that it's a 123 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: moral imperative, in fact, a racial quality imperative. They tie 124 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: DEI up into this to support government funding for obese drugs, 125 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: and it's actually classes fat phobic and even racist to 126 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: suggest food or lifestyle has anything to do with obest 127 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: This is the trend we've seen throughout you know, as 128 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: psylo and chronic conditions. And we have a situation where, 129 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: you know, we're spending more and more on diabetes, more 130 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: and more on heart disease, more and more on cancer, 131 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: more and more on Alzheimer's, more and more in depression, 132 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: more and more in obeste You know, health costs or 133 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: outpacing inflation by two x. It's the largest and fastest 134 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 2: growing industry in the country. But as we spend more money, 135 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: we have worse outcomes. Every condition I just mentioned is 136 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: going up as we're spending more to treat it. 137 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: I did hurt Cameron of the famous Growing Pains man. 138 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: If it worked for growing pains, I wouldn't be on 139 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: the Michael Berry Show. 140 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: Kelly means it's our guest. He was a food and 141 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: drug industry lobbyist, and he's got stories to tell. I 142 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: guess what. 143 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: I guess what. 144 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Disturbs me about all of this. You know you'll hear, 145 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, you hear some old guy on his front porch, 146 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: because old houses had front porches, and they'll make a 147 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: statement and you don't realize the wisdom of it until 148 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: much later in life. I remember hearing people when I 149 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: was a kid. There was always some old man in 150 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: overalls with no shirt and bare feet in Southeast Texas 151 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: where I grew up, saying something like it don't pay 152 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: to cure you. They just want to keep getting paid 153 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: to treat you. And you see this in case after 154 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: case after case of real public health dilemmas. And I'm 155 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: a freedom guy, so I don't believe the government should 156 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: be restricting what people eat and all these sorts. But 157 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: I see them actually dumping things, spraying things, imposing things, 158 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: injecting things into the bodies of poor people, and it 159 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: kills me. It's Tuskegee Institute all over again. So if 160 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: we were to start with the premise Cali, that CALLI means, 161 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: as our guest, If we were to start with the 162 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: premise that the pharmaceutical companies and big food are in 163 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: cahoots to sell us bad foods and then treat us 164 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: for life based on federal socialized spending on these what 165 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: would be the best examples you would use? And I 166 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: know you've got a book coming out, and I believe 167 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: you address that in that book. 168 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think this is a vital unpack actually 169 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: for people who believe in freedom and conservatives, which I am. 170 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: And I want to be clear, I was fooled by this. 171 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: So when I worked for the food companies would message 172 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: to conservative lawmakers that it's a nanny state situation to 173 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: tell poor people what to eat and that we can't 174 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: pay that they can't eat, drink soda or or stuff 175 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: like that. Actually a perversion of free market principles and 176 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 2: conservative principles. What we have right now food and farm 177 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: instries is completely the system, right it's not the free market. 178 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: Coke has lobbied that the Supplemental Nutrition Program SNAP is 179 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: for Coke. That's a perversion of the market right there. 180 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: It's a perversion of the market. Eadize highly processed food 181 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: with ninety five percent of agriculture subsise today in the 182 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,359 Speaker 2: United states subsidize cigarettes tobacco more than fruits and vegetables 183 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 2: subsidized with all agriculture substats, which are more than any 184 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: other country's agriculture subsidies combined in the world. Pepsidize corn, soy, 185 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: wheat debate basically the components of ultra process food which 186 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: are making us sick. Federal school lunch program, we have 187 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: no sugar limits. The lunchables is now considered a vegetable 188 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: literally because it has a vegetable in its craft is 189 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: now saying it's the biggest growth area. Is taking tax 190 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: payer money because lunchibles is now a school But. 191 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: They don't have how much sodium in them? Do they CALLI? 192 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: Well, they've got they've got sodium, they've got highly processed ingredients, 193 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: they've got you know, it's just it's just not what 194 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: we should be as a public policy matter, being to 195 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: our kids. And so so you've had a situation when 196 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: conservatives on this issue, I think, don't want to be 197 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: then anty state may be careful. We're letting corney capitalists 198 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: and run them up. We need to get the free 199 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: market re market. I don't support bands, I don't support 200 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: coke bands. I don't even support taxing coke, should not 201 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: sudizing ultra processed food that's directly leading the trillions of 202 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: dollars of downstream healthcare costs that are destroying our human capital. 203 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: A poor person in this country lowest income bracket dies 204 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: ten years younger person at the upper income bracket. That's 205 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 2: almost entirely because of nutrition. We are losing out precious 206 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: human capital because we are destroying for income people who 207 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: felt literally they're becoming metabolic, is functional because of toxic 208 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: food that we are subsidizing through crony capitalism. So no, 209 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: I don't support any taxes bans, but conservatives need to 210 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: step up. If we believe in believe in the power 211 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: of the individual and avendo visual empowerment, make sure we 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: unwine this system, which is the second largest if you 213 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 2: add it all up industry in the country, be pushing 214 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: for cheaper and addictive, really more toxic food. Kind of 215 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: makes sense. That's in there. Actors, they can advocate for 216 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: that healthcare system. Again, of healthcare costs rated after people 217 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: get sick, not to cure the condition, but to manage 218 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: the condition. The US government, if you add up all 219 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: the line items that the US government spends on these, you know, 220 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: for for Medicaid, all the lower income folks who are diabetic. 221 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: The government, the taxpayer is paying for that. You know, 222 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: medicare a programs. We are spending more on ibstic departments, right, 223 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: that's all going to the health candistry. And it's a 224 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: growth industry. Heart disease it's skyrocketing. Obviously, we're spending significant 225 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: to trillion dollars on associated heart disease issues. That's going 226 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: from the government to the health care indistry. This is 227 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: no med but built to grow again. It's being underwritten, 228 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 2: it's being funded taxpayers on the front end with food. 229 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: So, Kelly, let me interrupt you for a moment. I 230 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: watched I was on Houston City Council in the mid 231 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: aughts and I watched at the time, uh CCA the 232 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: privatized prison system, which I am a big believer in 233 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: the private sector instead of government. It's more efficient, it's 234 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: cheaper to run, it's not unionized and all. But what 235 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:38,479 Speaker 1: we found was CCA was lobbying to criminalize everything because 236 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: inmates were a business and they needed more inmates. So 237 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: we went in the state of Texas from a prison 238 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: overcrowding problem to no problem at all. We can put 239 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: prisoners anywhere because CCA will take them, and it just 240 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: kept growing as a percentage of the budget, and then 241 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: finally we found out some really bad things were going on. 242 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: It turns out that the government is the biggest consumer 243 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: and the biggest paycheck you can get if you're a 244 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: vendor for a lot of different people. And what you're 245 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: trying to warn about in the book and in life 246 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: and in your business is the idea that what we're 247 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: witnessing now is companies that are both creating the problem 248 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: and then solving the problem quote unquote solving or treating 249 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: for a long period of time because it can't be quick, 250 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: and in the meantime, the taxpayer is being built over 251 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: a long period. I want to get to something before 252 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: we're done. I saw a post you put up it said, 253 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm at the JP Morgan Healthcare conference, and speakers painted 254 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: a clear vision of the future. Kids getting so fat 255 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: that the standard of care is to inject them every 256 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: week of their lives, and rising rates of cancer among 257 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: kids as an opportunity, not a problem to be reversed. 258 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: I think it's very important that people understand and that 259 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: there are people out there very happy to get rich 260 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: by refusing to solve the problem because they can make 261 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: money off the problem. Talk a little bit about what 262 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: you witness there, because I think this is an important insight. 263 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: It's been a big evolution. I think it's happening throughout 264 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: the conservative movement. I mean, we love business. I run 265 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: a business. The free market is the greatest mentioned I 266 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: think ever for human prosperity. I think is an existential threat. 267 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 2: I think the top existential threat is industrial complexes. And 268 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: I think it's the healthcare industrial complex, the military industrial complex, 269 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: and to the education industrial complex. These omebas that are 270 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: built to grow and actually not serve purpose meant to. 271 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the healthcare industry is foundationally not being in 272 00:16:54,440 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: the United States to human capital and reduce disease. It's 273 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: built to make money. And we've you know, I know 274 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: you've talked a lot about the military or industrial complex 275 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: and and incentives there and and potentially some suboptimal tims 276 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: we've seen, so so that that's that's the reality. 277 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: For we have. 278 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 4: We're gonna add a little bit about these whorehouses I 279 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 4: know all about. 280 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: Ramon wants to know what around the world is. 281 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 4: Whistling bungholes, spleen splitters, Whisker biscuits, honkey riders, Hoosker duos, 282 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 4: Whosker don'ts nips and dazers, whether without the scooter stick 283 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 4: or one single whistling kiddy, Jason Michael, how. 284 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 5: You're doing this is shany c licker. And I'm a 285 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: what you call it? 286 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 6: Watch the culture creed. 287 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 5: That's my new job title. That's for people that's ignorant 288 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 5: but want to say something about their fans. Thirty years ago, 289 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 5: I was sitting home looking at Good Times and JJ 290 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 5: and Flurd and then was about to get into it 291 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 5: with bookmen and they cut into broadcast. It was a 292 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 5: special point. It's that President nicks Ford had quit. He 293 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 5: he came on there with that long nose, sweating on 294 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 5: that upper lip cobody. 295 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: I'm threw up in here. 296 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: I've had it with y'all. 297 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 3: I'm gone. 298 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 6: And Gerard Ford. 299 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 5: Took over and I said, why did Nixon had to quit? 300 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 5: And they said cuz he spied on people and didn't 301 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 5: lied about it. I said, wait a minute, now, this 302 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 5: sound familiar this sure, dude, I said, Barack Obama spying 303 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 5: on every damn body that is it is drones flying 304 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 5: all over the projects monitoring people Facebook page. I said, 305 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 5: why come up, Why come Barack Obama, don't have to 306 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: quit and let Gerald Ford stake over. 307 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: It's a change that came over there. Oh lord, I 308 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: forgot if you mentioned Gerald Ford. Watch this was to 309 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: get excited ya about a man there, a good imbot. 310 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:07,479 Speaker 6: And there's a change that's come over America, a change 311 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 6: that's great to see. We're living here in peace again. 312 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 6: We're going back to work again. It's better than it 313 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 6: used to be. I'm feeling good about America and I'm 314 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 6: feeling good about me. Yeah, I'm feeling good about America 315 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 6: and something great to see. I'm feeling good about America 316 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 6: and I'm feeling good about me. 317 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: Now we're we'll have me a good bout movement. Trust. 318 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 1: You can no longer trust your government, you can no 319 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: longer trust companies. You can no longer trust the teachers 320 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: and the universities. Kelly Means is our guest, and he 321 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: was a food and drug industry lobbyist, and he's got 322 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: stories to tell you talk about the military industrial complex 323 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: that that in a sense. George Washington warned against a 324 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: prize general and in his exit speech, Eisenhower arguably the 325 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: greatest speech he gave as a civilian. He warned about 326 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: this because war is big business, and it'd be one 327 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: thing if it was just a tax that went to 328 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: the war machine. But they have to send your boys 329 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: in to emotionally invest you. And so that's what Ukraine is, 330 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: that's what the attempt to that's what Iraq in Afghanistan, 331 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: that's what these efforts are. Is this this the Neokon 332 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: crowd in cahoots with with the DC industry. When something 333 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: becomes an industry, we lose sight of whether it's good 334 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: or bad, or or the the the rational being. It 335 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: just it creates its own snowball effect. And I'm glad 336 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: you brought that up because the war industry as its 337 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: own industry. That's that's the perfect example. 338 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: And I think I think it's very instructive that JP 339 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: Morgan conference. So then I think there's there's a lot 340 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: of similarities here. So the New York Times actually, in 341 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 2: a good bit of reporting, recently did an article there's 342 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 2: actually a mass mental health problem among doctors where they 343 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: have a similar situation, a similar mental health challenge to 344 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: soldiers that were forced by their superiors to commit war crimes. 345 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: So what doctors are actually seeing in mass or what 346 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 2: the psychological conditions, you know, the rank and file soldiers 347 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 2: at Abu Gherb Health And what we're seeing is doctors right, 348 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: think about the United States, track the best and brightest 349 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: to get into the medical system, and there's much easier 350 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: ways they can make money. They get into the medical system, fine, 351 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: they're not there to actually make people healthier, which is 352 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: why they got in, right, they're actually fundamentally that is bicker, 353 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 2: which is exactly what's happening. They're not solving the root 354 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: cause of why we're getting sick. My sister, who is 355 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 2: a surgeon, did nation surgery after sinus inflammation surgery. Patients 356 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: kept coming back, kept coming back. She literally they were 357 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: so inflamed. She cut off and their sinuses. It's but 358 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 2: she wasn't curing the under lying reason. They had inflammation 359 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: so much that their sinus has had to literally be 360 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: cut open. This is what's happening in every single sector. Right. 361 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: We're putting a band aid over it, money making recurring revenue, 362 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: but not actually solving the reason. And doctors are feeling 363 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 2: very trapped. Like the military industor complex, taking good people right, 364 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: we're producing bad results. But nobody. Everyone has plausible deniability. 365 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: So in healthcare conference transcripts, they are literally celebrating growth 366 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: as a growth area. They're celebrating exploding obesie rates as 367 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: an opportunity. They're celebrating the fact that the men is 368 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: getting younger and younger. Younger and younger people are getting 369 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: to mentioned now because it's a metabolic condition tied to food, 370 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: and of course it's going down. They're not talking about 371 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 2: these warning problem they're talking about them as opportunities. And 372 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: everyone there has plausible deniability because the way our system 373 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: has been set up, the incentives of this industrial complex 374 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: is to completely wash our hands of the reasons why 375 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: people are getting sick and accept that as a FATA 376 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: complete right. Nobody in any level of medicine, from insurance 377 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: companies to the NAH which is totally in bed with pharma, 378 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 2: to schools, research institutions that are funded by these industries, 379 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: to hospitals which make money with more patients, nobody's asking 380 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 2: why all the patients are coming in. Nobody is taking 381 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: responsibility for that, not one person. That is a good thing, right, 382 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: and medicine and science is about how do we drug 383 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 2: those people? How do we actually make money from those people. 384 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 2: So at JP Morgan, the biggest healthcare conference a year 385 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 2: that just wrapped up in San Francisco, it's an orgy 386 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: of corruption, right you would think and everyone would assume 387 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 2: that when the top healthcare leaders in the country get together, 388 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 2: they'll ask, how can we stop childhood obesely? What could 389 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: be more criminal? What could be you know, we talk 390 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: about free choice, We talk about freedom. Kind of argument 391 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: falls of part when we look at five year olds 392 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: exponentially getting obese. That's not from personal choice to that child. 393 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: There's something happening. Moms aren't trying to shorten that child's life. 394 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: Was exactly what's happening if they're obese. There's something fundamentally 395 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 2: rigged that's happening. And the fact that people does that conference, 396 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: the fact that doctor Fauci, the fact that the head 397 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: of the NAH, the fact that the head of Harvard 398 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 2: Medical School, the fact that they aren't talking about why 399 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: this is happening, but instead are profiting from it, it's 400 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: a huge problem. 401 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: I don't care if somebody decus fakes you, you can't 402 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: shoot them. 403 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: Michael Barry, Joe Pas. 404 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: You can no longer longer trust your government. You can 405 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: no longer trust companies, You can no longer trust the 406 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: teachers and the universities. Kelly Means is our guest, and 407 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: he was a food and drug industry lobbyist, and he's 408 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: got stories to tell. I was interested in how you 409 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: make a living in this industry because I don't think 410 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: it's and I don't think those are contradictory that you 411 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: can both make a living and do good. 412 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, So I and you reached out about a 413 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: post I wrote about my mom who abruptly died of 414 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: pink credit cancer, and you know, which I consider a 415 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 2: preventable food born illness. 416 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: Before you get to that act I did. I was 417 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to bring this up without 418 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: making it weird. But since you brought it up, what 419 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: touched me, which was actually what brought you to my attention, 420 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: was none of this stuff we've talked about. I just 421 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: learned all that as I started reading. What what touched 422 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: me was that your mother wanted to go to the 423 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: place where she was buried before she was buried. You're 424 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: some guy, I don't know, but a listener said, I 425 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: thought this story would touch you, and it did, and 426 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: it got me. Really, could you just tell that story 427 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: unrelated to all this other nonsense, and then you can 428 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 1: get into her condition. 429 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it honestly segues into my life mission. But 430 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: I'll tell this real quick, and I think hopefully it 431 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: resonates and hits with I think a spiritual problem with 432 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: what's happening in health. But I think my mom was 433 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: the classic American patient. You know, she was on it's 434 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: about seventy years old, on six medications over forty years, right, 435 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: so that's kind of a right of passage in America. 436 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: You know, she had high cholesterol, was put on a dad, 437 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: told by her doctor that's normal. You know, forty percent 438 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: of people your age on a dad, had high blood sugar, 439 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: like more than fifty percent of American adults. Was put 440 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: on a net foreman, you know, high blood pressure. So 441 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: she was on a number of medications. Actually for seventy 442 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 2: years old, six medications was aage. So she was told 443 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: by her doctor she was healthy. Then had a pain 444 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: in her stomach on her morning hike and went into 445 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 2: the hospital, got a scan and learned she had stage 446 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: four pink credit cancer. Called me and said she would 447 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 2: be dead in a couple of weeks, completely surprising. And 448 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: two things. A couple things really formative happened there. When 449 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: we met with the oncologists, the top on collets in Stanford, 450 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: they said it was a tough break. They said, this 451 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 2: is unlucky, but it really wasn't unlucky. Her high blood pressure, 452 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 2: high cholesterol, these were all warning signs. These were all 453 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: things that instead of throwing a pill at it, there 454 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 2: could have been explorations about why those things were happening 455 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: in her body, things that eventually gave her cancer that 456 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 2: could have been reversed. So this idea that cancer's random 457 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: is completely a lie. And then the second thing is 458 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: there was a huge rush to intervene. So my mom 459 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: was going to die in a matter of weeks, that 460 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: was clear, and there was an all out press to 461 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: do biopsies, to do interventions, and with the force of 462 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: Stanford Hospital putting down on us, ninety nine percent of 463 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: people would have said fine, yes, But my sister was 464 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: a former surgeon at Stanford and actually saw on cologists 465 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: her friends crying in the halls, feeling like the incentives 466 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: of medicine were forcing them to push interventions that weren't necessary. 467 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: And she pushed back and actually the doctor admitted that 468 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,959 Speaker 2: most likely these interventions would produce negative results, and due 469 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: to COVID protocols, she died alone in the hospital, so 470 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 2: we actually went against medical invites and took her home. 471 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 2: And over the thirteen days between that diagnosis and her death, 472 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: they were profound. They changed my life. My mom received 473 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: hundreds of letters and emails about how she impacted people's lives, 474 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 2: and it really just watching her read those emails and 475 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: the dignity and the pride she had and her impact 476 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: on people's lives really showed me the meaning of life 477 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: in many ways. And then in her final moments of consciousness, 478 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: she asked to go to the beach to this beautiful 479 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: natural graveyard where she'd be and we carried her up 480 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: there and she embraced my dad where she would be buried, 481 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: and just thanked him and acknowledged their amazing life together. 482 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: And it was just like could not have been more perfect. 483 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: And those moments changed my life. They really set the 484 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: meaning of life for me. I mean, these are these 485 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: are precious moments in life. And for ninety nine point 486 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: nine percent of people, I think that moment wouldn't have 487 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: happened because they would have listened to doctors who would 488 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: have made probably hundreds of thousands, if not a million, 489 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: dollars on interventions if we just said yes, frankly, money 490 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: that would have been paid by tax payers from Medicare, 491 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 2: private insturance. I mean, you know the hospital was gunning 492 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 2: for those interventions. So following that and following these lessons, Yeah, 493 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: I'm a free market guy, and I said, how can 494 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: we not complain about this, not handering about this, but 495 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 2: actually slant incentives? And I think that's the question anyone 496 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: interested in health. I just can't stress this enough. How 497 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: do you use the current broken system to incentivize that 498 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: path of curiosity? How can we make it that when 499 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: somebody like my mom in the future has high blood sugar, 500 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: has high cholesterol, we need to be on a path 501 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: of curiosity. We need to be why is that happening 502 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: in our body? Why are ourselves disregulated? That could be 503 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: public policy, That could be you write American healthcare policy. Frankly, 504 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: is in other countries. The OBC rate in Japan is 505 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: seven times lower than the United States. And that's what 506 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: led me to what I'm doing now. Again, if you 507 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: had a food prescription, if you literally hear your doctor 508 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: writes you a note when you have high cholesterol to 509 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: exercise more. If you can buy your gym membership tax free, 510 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: if you have a doctor's note, you can buy healthy 511 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 2: food tax free. You can say forty percent on healthy 512 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: food and exercise. I mean, that's not everything, but that's 513 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 2: a start. That's what we should be doing with healthcare policies. 514 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: Before prescribing anybody, you know, these chronic disease ineffective drugs, 515 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: we should be incentivizing them to actually do the things 516 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: that are not only going to reduce the matter and 517 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: the high cholesterol, but actually dramatically reduce their chance of 518 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: getting cancer hard to sase some life threatening thing later. 519 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: I mean a stat that I still can't get my 520 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: head around is that literally, if you exercise one hundred 521 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: fifty minutes a week, that is more effective than taking 522 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: an SSRI and antidepressant and seeing a therapist. They've had 523 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: period huge studies on this, literally therapy and antidepressants first, 524 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: just exercise. We are animals right now that are being 525 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: force fed alt process food. It's seventy percent of our diet. 526 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: We're so sedentary that eighty percent of twenty one year 527 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: olds aren't eligible to join the military you were sticking 528 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: kids in sunless, sedentary rooms for school, right, and we're 529 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: literally have weapons of mass destruction for every person in 530 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: America of chronic stress with our phones, like we have 531 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: a society just to destroy a metaval hell. And then 532 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: in the midst of those challenges, what our healthcare system 533 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: is doing is just drugging the problem, like this is 534 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: going to be the big threat to America because it's 535 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: also bankrupt. And that that what I'm doing, and I 536 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: think everyone who's trying to change how credits do how 537 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: can we slant dollars to root cause behaviors. That's not 538 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 2: a liberal thing, that's not a conservative thing. It's just 539 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: we're spending four tillion dollars in health that should go 540 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: to root cause things. Until we realize that until we 541 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: realize the problem with healthcare isn't page fifty of Medicare party, 542 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: but it's the foundational incentive that every institution makes money 543 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: when we're sick. Until we change that word, and we're 544 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: going to be in a big problem. 545 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Kelly means I'm up against a break. Thank you very much. 546 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: We will be promoting the book as I know you're 547 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: finishing it with your sister as soon as it is available. 548 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: We will be promoting him. You can find him on Twitter. 549 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: C A l l e. Y. Hallie means and I 550 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: am actually looking forward to this book coming out and 551 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: promoting it. 552 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 4: Mm hmm